WEBVTT 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:06.932 You are listening to the USDN on the 00:00:07.012 --> 00:00:08.336 DFPN. 00:00:40.209 --> 00:00:40.996 Thank you for watching. 00:01:10.927 --> 00:01:12.870 what is up everybody and welcome to the 00:01:12.930 --> 00:01:14.471 united states department of nerds where we 00:01:14.510 --> 00:01:17.593 are for the people by the people and 00:01:17.753 --> 00:01:20.876 of the people and tonight we return to 00:01:20.915 --> 00:01:23.156 the darkness but this time it's not 00:01:23.197 --> 00:01:27.079 folklore it's not myth it is something far 00:01:27.140 --> 00:01:30.162 more unsettling because what happens when 00:01:30.182 --> 00:01:33.165 the person you trust the most isn't who 00:01:33.525 --> 00:01:34.546 they seem they are 00:01:35.370 --> 00:01:37.090 When instinct tells you something is 00:01:37.131 --> 00:01:37.411 wrong, 00:01:37.450 --> 00:01:40.893 but your reality refuses to confirm it. 00:01:41.173 --> 00:01:43.674 Tonight, we dive into a story of paranoia, 00:01:44.034 --> 00:01:44.594 identity, 00:01:44.734 --> 00:01:46.977 and the terrifying cost of truth. 00:01:47.596 --> 00:01:48.798 This is Aha! 00:01:49.518 --> 00:01:53.019 A Horror Anthology, Episode Two. 00:01:53.700 --> 00:01:55.561 The Council of Nerds is now in session. 00:01:56.022 --> 00:01:58.043 Duke, welcome back to the podcast. 00:01:58.162 --> 00:02:01.045 And Mids, welcome back for the first time. 00:02:01.996 --> 00:02:02.477 How do you do? 00:02:03.358 --> 00:02:04.218 Thanks, man. 00:02:04.257 --> 00:02:04.879 Fellas, 00:02:05.278 --> 00:02:06.719 I'm going to let y'all take a minute. 00:02:06.739 --> 00:02:08.461 We'll start with you, Miguel, 00:02:08.480 --> 00:02:10.042 since this is your first time here, 00:02:10.062 --> 00:02:12.143 and let you introduce yourself to 00:02:12.263 --> 00:02:12.842 everybody. 00:02:12.862 --> 00:02:14.783 Okay. 00:02:14.843 --> 00:02:15.205 Howdy. 00:02:15.305 --> 00:02:18.286 I'm Miguel, Canadian comics artist. 00:02:18.385 --> 00:02:22.147 I'm working on this, and I'm on Webtoon, 00:02:22.207 --> 00:02:24.090 but not in a long while because they 00:02:24.150 --> 00:02:24.710 don't pay me. 00:02:26.971 --> 00:02:29.532 My upload schedule has been not very good 00:02:29.573 --> 00:02:30.013 over there. 00:02:31.667 --> 00:02:32.307 Duke, over to you, man. 00:02:32.328 --> 00:02:32.608 Hey, guys. 00:02:34.830 --> 00:02:35.931 Yeah, I'm Duke Electric. 00:02:36.591 --> 00:02:39.593 I'm also Canadian comic book artist and 00:02:39.633 --> 00:02:43.836 writer, and I've worked on the comic Greg, 00:02:43.856 --> 00:02:46.299 which I've brought onto the show before, 00:02:46.519 --> 00:02:49.100 and we're now here to talk about the 00:02:49.221 --> 00:02:53.004 AHA Horror Anthology from the CHK Comics 00:02:54.125 --> 00:02:57.908 book company, publisher. 00:02:57.968 --> 00:02:58.908 So as we all know, 00:03:00.127 --> 00:03:01.509 Greg is not a true story. 00:03:01.691 --> 00:03:04.294 Nobody's head will explode tonight. 00:03:04.775 --> 00:03:06.979 We confirmed this last time when he was 00:03:07.019 --> 00:03:07.759 on the last time. 00:03:08.061 --> 00:03:10.264 So everybody is safe to look at him. 00:03:11.344 --> 00:03:13.026 You look at the suit too long, though, 00:03:13.545 --> 00:03:14.665 we make no promises. 00:03:14.925 --> 00:03:15.806 It might burn your eyes. 00:03:16.526 --> 00:03:17.667 It very well may. 00:03:17.787 --> 00:03:18.527 It very well may. 00:03:18.548 --> 00:03:20.068 I'm going to have to start wearing 00:03:20.147 --> 00:03:24.169 sunglasses when you're on, my friend. 00:03:24.210 --> 00:03:27.211 So how did y'all two connect for this 00:03:27.290 --> 00:03:30.012 story and kind of like why has made 00:03:30.032 --> 00:03:31.872 this collaboration work so far? 00:03:33.507 --> 00:03:35.168 uh do you want me to do it 00:03:35.328 --> 00:03:37.147 answer mix uh that's actually for both of 00:03:37.168 --> 00:03:38.808 y'all so y'all can talk about how y'all 00:03:38.829 --> 00:03:43.009 met over coffee over tea tinder however 00:03:43.409 --> 00:03:45.311 you know what it was tinder we we 00:03:45.350 --> 00:03:47.451 matched and then we were like yeah we 00:03:47.472 --> 00:03:48.771 should really get on this comic book 00:03:48.812 --> 00:03:50.693 anthology together because this is sick 00:03:50.733 --> 00:03:53.152 and then we separately put in our 00:03:53.212 --> 00:03:55.213 application and then we both got it we're 00:03:55.234 --> 00:03:56.814 like this is true love this is true 00:03:56.854 --> 00:03:57.574 love right now 00:03:58.354 --> 00:03:59.717 And, uh, yeah. 00:04:00.197 --> 00:04:01.859 And, uh, no, we, uh, 00:04:01.899 --> 00:04:02.919 we didn't know each other beforehand. 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:04.841 Uh, we, 00:04:04.860 --> 00:04:06.282 we both just signed up for this thing 00:04:06.502 --> 00:04:08.925 and Chris and Chris just matched everybody 00:04:09.025 --> 00:04:11.788 up depending on like the style, I guess, 00:04:11.848 --> 00:04:13.810 of people's work or what people wanted to 00:04:13.849 --> 00:04:14.931 work on potentially. 00:04:15.091 --> 00:04:16.552 And, um, and yeah, they, 00:04:16.612 --> 00:04:18.374 they partnered me and makes together and, 00:04:18.935 --> 00:04:20.596 uh, it's been great so far and yeah, 00:04:20.716 --> 00:04:21.297 it's been going along. 00:04:23.172 --> 00:04:25.134 Yeah, I didn't know Duke going in. 00:04:25.533 --> 00:04:27.194 And when we were introduced, I was like, 00:04:27.615 --> 00:04:29.196 oh, we're in the same province. 00:04:29.495 --> 00:04:31.036 You're less than two hour drive away. 00:04:31.057 --> 00:04:31.956 I was like, okay. 00:04:31.976 --> 00:04:33.898 See, that could have happened then. 00:04:33.937 --> 00:04:35.879 Y'all could have totally met up for coffee 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:36.439 or tea. 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:36.819 Yeah. 00:04:37.339 --> 00:04:38.540 We could have seen each other at a 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:40.101 con and not even know him. 00:04:40.982 --> 00:04:42.983 We probably have been to the same shows. 00:04:43.002 --> 00:04:45.223 You could have got some Tim bits together. 00:04:45.704 --> 00:04:47.185 Yeah, yeah. 00:04:47.384 --> 00:04:48.865 Yeah, the Tim bits. 00:04:48.886 --> 00:04:48.946 Oh, 00:04:48.985 --> 00:04:50.526 you didn't know I knew about Tim Horton? 00:04:50.687 --> 00:04:51.528 Come on now. 00:04:52.767 --> 00:04:53.887 Some Americans don't. 00:04:54.028 --> 00:04:54.689 I guess that's... Well, 00:04:54.709 --> 00:04:56.389 half and half and some Tim bits? 00:04:56.408 --> 00:04:58.288 Come on! 00:04:58.309 --> 00:04:59.249 I'm going to say this, though. 00:04:59.269 --> 00:05:00.269 This is going to be controversial, 00:05:00.430 --> 00:05:02.689 but Tim Hortons is now technically 00:05:02.730 --> 00:05:03.170 American. 00:05:03.629 --> 00:05:07.130 So you guys own Tim Hortons now. 00:05:07.331 --> 00:05:07.951 I heard that. 00:05:08.031 --> 00:05:09.610 I also heard it was making its way 00:05:09.752 --> 00:05:11.812 south, which I really hope it is. 00:05:12.711 --> 00:05:13.411 It's coming. 00:05:13.992 --> 00:05:16.192 It's going to take over all the West. 00:05:17.312 --> 00:05:18.975 But if anybody is actually wondering how 00:05:19.074 --> 00:05:20.175 everybody got paired up, 00:05:20.196 --> 00:05:23.177 you can go watch issue episode one of 00:05:23.218 --> 00:05:25.339 this with Crystal, Chris Mendoza, 00:05:25.379 --> 00:05:27.401 and they explain how this all actually 00:05:27.942 --> 00:05:29.103 came together. 00:05:30.235 --> 00:05:31.737 which is a really cool story how they 00:05:31.776 --> 00:05:32.398 did everything. 00:05:33.017 --> 00:05:35.220 So go watch that episode. 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:37.081 It is a great episode with those guys. 00:05:37.122 --> 00:05:38.142 They are great. 00:05:38.163 --> 00:05:39.624 They're hilarious together. 00:05:39.644 --> 00:05:41.766 And then make sure you subscribe to Chris 00:05:41.786 --> 00:05:44.548 and Chris as well and CHK Comets because 00:05:44.567 --> 00:05:47.009 they've been posting tons about this book. 00:05:47.651 --> 00:05:50.192 I cannot recommend it enough to y'all. 00:05:50.213 --> 00:05:52.735 But make sure you watch episode one after 00:05:53.636 --> 00:05:54.276 this episode. 00:05:54.297 --> 00:05:55.137 Episode one. 00:05:55.237 --> 00:05:57.839 It was good. 00:05:58.899 --> 00:06:00.040 I appreciate that. 00:06:00.060 --> 00:06:00.880 Yeah, it was a lot of fun. 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:02.002 Me and those guys talked forever. 00:06:02.062 --> 00:06:04.302 It felt like even after the fact. 00:06:06.425 --> 00:06:08.346 So this concept hits immediately. 00:06:08.466 --> 00:06:10.668 A father who knows something is wrong with 00:06:10.728 --> 00:06:11.269 his son. 00:06:12.269 --> 00:06:12.689 And Duke, 00:06:12.730 --> 00:06:14.151 I'm going to start with you on this. 00:06:14.932 --> 00:06:16.153 I know your son just turned one. 00:06:16.492 --> 00:06:17.494 I told him happy birthday. 00:06:17.514 --> 00:06:18.975 Don't say I didn't because I did. 00:06:20.175 --> 00:06:23.079 Where did the idea for this story come 00:06:23.119 --> 00:06:23.319 from? 00:06:24.814 --> 00:06:26.675 it was kind of uh it was just 00:06:26.696 --> 00:06:28.598 like a nugget of an idea that I 00:06:28.617 --> 00:06:31.220 had floating around because like you know 00:06:31.300 --> 00:06:33.620 what's the scariest thing to like a parent 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:35.262 and it's always going to be their kid 00:06:35.302 --> 00:06:40.245 going missing and back potentially so um 00:06:40.266 --> 00:06:42.387 that was kind of you know if you're 00:06:42.408 --> 00:06:43.889 going to write a horror story you'd want 00:06:43.908 --> 00:06:45.350 to write the thing you're most afraid of 00:06:45.370 --> 00:06:47.190 and that's obviously something as being a 00:06:47.230 --> 00:06:48.771 father for the first time and with my 00:06:48.812 --> 00:06:50.793 child you know that's the number one thing 00:06:50.853 --> 00:06:51.093 I'd be 00:06:51.783 --> 00:06:55.165 we're worried about and afraid of so um 00:06:55.444 --> 00:06:58.706 so that kind of inspired it from the 00:06:58.786 --> 00:07:01.226 nugget of the idea and then the past 00:07:01.247 --> 00:07:03.187 year things have just been crazy online 00:07:03.307 --> 00:07:04.889 like there's so much stuff with ai and 00:07:04.908 --> 00:07:06.689 just like human trafficking and so many 00:07:06.730 --> 00:07:08.290 different things and obviously the epstein 00:07:08.310 --> 00:07:09.071 list all that stuff 00:07:09.511 --> 00:07:10.552 We don't have to get into it, but, 00:07:11.673 --> 00:07:14.156 but, but the, 00:07:14.177 --> 00:07:17.420 but I was reading a lot of stuff, 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:18.180 you know, people, 00:07:18.221 --> 00:07:20.283 there's so many like AI experiments, 00:07:20.324 --> 00:07:22.666 people just like creating brains in a jar, 00:07:22.687 --> 00:07:25.430 basically that can run programs and that 00:07:25.449 --> 00:07:26.091 are just like, 00:07:27.024 --> 00:07:30.286 just really weird biotech stuff going on 00:07:30.466 --> 00:07:32.327 and so I just kind of been keeping 00:07:32.348 --> 00:07:34.529 my eye on that and just the idea 00:07:34.670 --> 00:07:36.310 you know corporations are always trying to 00:07:36.670 --> 00:07:38.372 find the fastest way to make money and 00:07:38.411 --> 00:07:40.213 the cheapest solutions to make money 00:07:40.233 --> 00:07:41.973 because that's what they do because 00:07:41.994 --> 00:07:46.317 they're capitalists so you know uh I kind 00:07:46.357 --> 00:07:49.237 of started thinking more of like okay so 00:07:49.278 --> 00:07:49.499 like 00:07:51.139 --> 00:07:53.060 it's going to be very smart ai would 00:07:53.081 --> 00:07:56.601 be very like meticulous for whatever it's 00:07:57.023 --> 00:08:00.084 being told to do and what better way 00:08:00.303 --> 00:08:03.805 you know after you know the first wave 00:08:03.846 --> 00:08:06.668 of you know people are experimented on or 00:08:06.728 --> 00:08:09.009 whatever it would obviously start working 00:08:09.048 --> 00:08:11.730 its way taking people from the world and 00:08:11.750 --> 00:08:14.112 stuff so yeah we touch upon that in 00:08:14.331 --> 00:08:16.673 in the story a bit but uh spoiler 00:08:16.692 --> 00:08:18.113 alert but um 00:08:19.321 --> 00:08:21.963 yeah uh i just been i was really 00:08:21.983 --> 00:08:24.406 into that i was really into like the 00:08:24.485 --> 00:08:26.908 thing the thing john covering the things 00:08:26.947 --> 00:08:29.651 so good yeah it's the best like i 00:08:29.670 --> 00:08:31.351 always always reference that for any 00:08:31.432 --> 00:08:33.614 horror what's great about the thing is we 00:08:33.715 --> 00:08:34.995 still don't know 00:08:36.573 --> 00:08:38.315 No, you don't know who is who. 00:08:38.335 --> 00:08:39.596 There's the video game. 00:08:39.797 --> 00:08:41.317 I don't know if you guys played the 00:08:41.337 --> 00:08:42.298 thing video game. 00:08:42.798 --> 00:08:44.740 It was pretty sick back then. 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.481 I think they tried to allude to who 00:08:47.662 --> 00:08:49.583 was who or whatever and made more of 00:08:49.644 --> 00:08:50.124 a mystery, 00:08:50.183 --> 00:08:53.365 but it's better just as a mystery. 00:08:53.686 --> 00:08:54.706 It really is. 00:08:55.227 --> 00:08:57.308 I heard a cool conspiracy theory about it 00:08:57.328 --> 00:08:59.890 the other day that there were the aliens 00:08:59.931 --> 00:09:02.011 that land that end up being in the 00:09:02.032 --> 00:09:02.352 movie. 00:09:04.094 --> 00:09:04.693 They were saying... 00:09:05.970 --> 00:09:09.412 the aliens weren't the thing the thing was 00:09:09.591 --> 00:09:11.673 on the alien ship taking over so the 00:09:11.714 --> 00:09:13.914 same thing was happening on an alien ship 00:09:14.195 --> 00:09:16.897 which then crashed into earth and then 00:09:17.157 --> 00:09:19.899 that outbreak then came out from like the 00:09:20.538 --> 00:09:23.301 carcass of the aliens which was kind of 00:09:23.341 --> 00:09:24.881 cool if you think about it like that 00:09:25.062 --> 00:09:25.961 just like as its own 00:09:27.563 --> 00:09:30.826 prequel story of that hitting us. 00:09:30.907 --> 00:09:31.187 No, 00:09:31.366 --> 00:09:34.990 so why center this story around something 00:09:35.029 --> 00:09:38.033 as simple but powerful as a secret phrase 00:09:38.113 --> 00:09:40.235 only known between a father and his son? 00:09:41.952 --> 00:09:42.953 uh so when i was growing up i 00:09:42.994 --> 00:09:45.413 had a secret code with my parents so 00:09:45.455 --> 00:09:46.855 we'd always have like a code being like 00:09:46.914 --> 00:09:48.975 hey like if someone comes to pick you 00:09:48.995 --> 00:09:50.976 up at school and it's not us or 00:09:51.037 --> 00:09:52.596 not your grandparents and someone weird 00:09:53.398 --> 00:09:54.998 we've got to have a code because we 00:09:55.018 --> 00:09:56.499 don't want you like getting in a car 00:09:56.538 --> 00:09:58.539 with some random or something happening so 00:09:58.580 --> 00:10:00.059 we always had a code in my family 00:10:00.139 --> 00:10:02.961 so um my mom had a certain code 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:04.121 my dad had a certain code 00:10:04.861 --> 00:10:06.222 um and it kind of just kept for 00:10:06.243 --> 00:10:07.524 a really long time like whenever there's 00:10:07.563 --> 00:10:09.504 been like now it's like really smart to 00:10:09.544 --> 00:10:11.285 have a code with ai because people like 00:10:11.466 --> 00:10:13.726 yeah scamming people and it's like oh god 00:10:13.767 --> 00:10:15.067 okay i got to figure this out you 00:10:15.087 --> 00:10:17.529 know so now it's i kind of played 00:10:17.590 --> 00:10:19.130 on that with this ai thing being like 00:10:19.150 --> 00:10:21.292 well there has to be a code and 00:10:21.751 --> 00:10:23.092 you know it's a father and son trying 00:10:23.113 --> 00:10:26.754 to stay safe but yeah that safety measure 00:10:26.774 --> 00:10:28.336 is the point that's awesome your parents 00:10:28.395 --> 00:10:30.157 loved you like that man that's that's 00:10:30.177 --> 00:10:31.378 really really awesome 00:10:32.903 --> 00:10:34.884 yeah get your ass home before the light 00:10:34.923 --> 00:10:39.384 turns on yeah yeah my parents were 00:10:39.403 --> 00:10:40.465 divorced it was one of those things where 00:10:40.485 --> 00:10:42.065 it was like they both had to have 00:10:42.085 --> 00:10:43.965 their because sometimes it would be 00:10:44.004 --> 00:10:45.326 someone else picking me up so they had 00:10:45.346 --> 00:10:47.466 to have that like in place for that 00:10:47.745 --> 00:10:50.125 um but yeah it was cool it was 00:10:50.206 --> 00:10:51.787 cool having that and obviously helped with 00:10:51.807 --> 00:10:54.427 the story so so mids over to you 00:10:54.447 --> 00:10:56.548 man when you first read this script what 00:10:56.567 --> 00:10:58.067 stood out to you immediately 00:10:59.934 --> 00:11:01.996 other than duke is just a weirdo man 00:11:03.758 --> 00:11:05.859 it got weirder as i read it i 00:11:05.918 --> 00:11:08.480 was like oh yeah page by page it's 00:11:08.500 --> 00:11:11.403 getting weirder um from the artist side of 00:11:11.423 --> 00:11:14.144 things i immediately locked onto the 00:11:14.225 --> 00:11:17.187 action that that is it it's in short 00:11:17.246 --> 00:11:18.748 verse i think we were just looking at 00:11:18.788 --> 00:11:22.691 the uh brutal violence page but that 00:11:23.871 --> 00:11:28.434 that is something i enjoy drawing so just 00:11:28.475 --> 00:11:30.736 from the artist's side my mind immediately 00:11:30.836 --> 00:11:32.558 locked onto there because it's like a 00:11:32.599 --> 00:11:34.440 little puzzle how do i make that action 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:37.802 work on the page i like it what 00:11:37.822 --> 00:11:39.303 was the first visual that kind of like 00:11:39.403 --> 00:11:42.027 really like hits you like as you were 00:11:42.067 --> 00:11:43.888 reading this like what was it just say 00:11:43.927 --> 00:11:44.568 like oh damn 00:11:45.379 --> 00:11:50.761 So there's this scene where he walks into 00:11:51.322 --> 00:11:53.524 that one facility that he begged. 00:11:53.764 --> 00:11:57.105 And then that was the first thing I 00:11:57.365 --> 00:11:59.427 drew in concept art stages, 00:11:59.467 --> 00:12:01.308 I'm pretty sure. 00:12:02.623 --> 00:12:04.903 so for anybody wondering i even haven't 00:12:04.984 --> 00:12:06.844 read this yet like all i got was 00:12:06.884 --> 00:12:08.924 kind of like a meat and potatoes of 00:12:09.164 --> 00:12:12.125 uh like a summary of this so i 00:12:12.186 --> 00:12:13.687 do understand what he's talking about 00:12:13.746 --> 00:12:16.427 right now and yeah so if you've ever 00:12:16.467 --> 00:12:20.629 seen blade three which is where my mind 00:12:20.668 --> 00:12:22.789 immediately went when i read that nugget 00:12:22.830 --> 00:12:26.291 in there and i was like oh this 00:12:26.311 --> 00:12:27.831 is like in blade three when they had 00:12:27.871 --> 00:12:28.951 the farm or whatever 00:12:31.081 --> 00:12:33.604 yeah it's like that yeah yeah yeah yeah 00:12:33.884 --> 00:12:35.625 yeah so just a little teaser for you 00:12:35.686 --> 00:12:38.870 out there yeah yeah and i was like 00:12:38.929 --> 00:12:42.193 dude that's yeah all right i'm gonna yeah 00:12:42.433 --> 00:12:42.615 just 00:12:45.230 --> 00:12:46.312 It's messed up. 00:12:46.371 --> 00:12:48.832 The story doesn't hold back on that end 00:12:48.873 --> 00:12:49.293 of things. 00:12:50.092 --> 00:12:50.932 No, as it should. 00:12:51.774 --> 00:12:53.653 I can't wait to read. 00:12:54.095 --> 00:12:55.575 What I'm really excited to read from this 00:12:55.615 --> 00:12:56.495 is Pete's Meat, 00:12:56.595 --> 00:12:58.995 but it's neither here nor there. 00:12:59.155 --> 00:13:01.657 The title is so funny. 00:13:01.677 --> 00:13:02.437 It really is, 00:13:02.456 --> 00:13:05.378 and the page from it is just hilarious. 00:13:05.418 --> 00:13:08.799 I've been using that in the thumbnails 00:13:08.860 --> 00:13:09.240 too. 00:13:10.100 --> 00:13:10.860 Yeah, I had to. 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:12.240 I had to do it. 00:13:13.922 --> 00:13:15.363 I'm going to go after Pete's meat in 00:13:15.403 --> 00:13:16.683 the book order, 00:13:16.823 --> 00:13:18.946 however they figure that out. 00:13:18.966 --> 00:13:20.246 I even made a good joke today, 00:13:20.307 --> 00:13:21.828 and I'm surprised you didn't see it yet, 00:13:21.869 --> 00:13:22.168 Duke. 00:13:22.269 --> 00:13:23.330 I'm kind of disappointed. 00:13:23.350 --> 00:13:23.850 I'm sorry. 00:13:24.711 --> 00:13:25.672 Sorry, I was busy today. 00:13:25.692 --> 00:13:27.033 It was a good one on social media, 00:13:27.072 --> 00:13:28.955 too, because they were like, oh, 00:13:29.695 --> 00:13:30.216 episode two. 00:13:30.275 --> 00:13:33.077 I was like, hey, yeah, and who knows? 00:13:33.859 --> 00:13:34.359 I was like, oh, 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.081 Duke is up next on the chopping block. 00:13:37.761 --> 00:13:38.023 Wait, 00:13:38.102 --> 00:13:39.764 let's not hope he gets confused with that 00:13:39.823 --> 00:13:40.384 and Pete's meat. 00:13:42.187 --> 00:13:42.767 It was a good one. 00:13:42.787 --> 00:13:43.368 Nice. 00:13:44.208 --> 00:13:45.109 I'll check it out. 00:13:45.409 --> 00:13:46.049 I'll check it out later. 00:13:46.070 --> 00:13:46.591 Check it out later. 00:13:46.750 --> 00:13:48.412 Actually, no, you're not on Threads, 00:13:48.491 --> 00:13:48.772 are you? 00:13:49.452 --> 00:13:50.173 No, I'm not. 00:13:50.234 --> 00:13:50.474 I'm not. 00:13:50.494 --> 00:13:51.215 Okay, never mind. 00:13:51.235 --> 00:13:51.955 I wasted a good one. 00:13:51.975 --> 00:13:52.174 Sorry. 00:13:52.215 --> 00:13:52.375 Sorry. 00:13:52.395 --> 00:13:56.499 If there's a screenshot, I'll repost it. 00:13:56.538 --> 00:13:57.460 I'll shoot you a screenshot. 00:13:57.559 --> 00:13:58.321 I'll shoot you a screenshot. 00:13:58.341 --> 00:13:58.921 Perfect. 00:13:59.721 --> 00:14:02.104 So this story really doesn't jump into the 00:14:02.144 --> 00:14:04.426 horror aspect of it right away. 00:14:04.466 --> 00:14:05.787 It kind of creeps into it. 00:14:07.875 --> 00:14:08.615 For Duke, 00:14:09.157 --> 00:14:11.820 how did you pace the suspicion and the 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.664 point of when does the father know, like, 00:14:15.885 --> 00:14:18.389 really, like, this may not be my son? 00:14:18.469 --> 00:14:20.412 It wasn't just a phrase, but there was, 00:14:20.432 --> 00:14:22.835 like, other little things, right? 00:14:23.245 --> 00:14:26.009 yeah i think um like the main thing 00:14:26.048 --> 00:14:27.509 i've been saying to people as like a 00:14:27.529 --> 00:14:29.412 synopsis or like this quick elevator pitch 00:14:29.432 --> 00:14:33.696 it's you know it's he's so protective 00:14:33.796 --> 00:14:35.376 overprotective and also just like really 00:14:35.417 --> 00:14:37.178 trying to keep it together in his family 00:14:37.198 --> 00:14:38.921 and keep everybody safe and stuff it's 00:14:38.980 --> 00:14:39.441 really when 00:14:40.381 --> 00:14:43.004 that ping goes off on his phone and 00:14:43.043 --> 00:14:45.166 his son didn't because he basically drops 00:14:45.186 --> 00:14:46.846 his son off at school he goes to 00:14:46.866 --> 00:14:48.868 pick him up and his son has like 00:14:48.927 --> 00:14:50.570 air tags in his bag and like his 00:14:50.629 --> 00:14:52.250 jacket and stuff because kids always lose 00:14:52.270 --> 00:14:53.831 stuff and nowadays people just do that to 00:14:53.871 --> 00:14:55.192 you know find missing 00:14:55.493 --> 00:14:56.214 i don't know i don't know i don't 00:14:56.234 --> 00:14:57.094 know items and whatever and um items and 00:14:57.114 --> 00:14:58.174 whatever and um items and whatever and um 00:14:58.235 --> 00:14:59.135 and all of a sudden you know his 00:14:59.155 --> 00:14:59.836 kids and all of a sudden you know 00:14:59.855 --> 00:15:01.076 his kids and all of a sudden you 00:15:01.096 --> 00:15:01.917 know his kids in his car and the 00:15:01.937 --> 00:15:03.278 kids like not in his car and the 00:15:03.317 --> 00:15:04.558 kids like not in his car and the 00:15:04.719 --> 00:15:06.080 kids like not responding very well to like 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:07.541 anything responding very well to like 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:08.422 anything responding very well to like 00:15:08.501 --> 00:15:09.221 anything he's saying and something 00:15:09.241 --> 00:15:10.202 something's he's saying and something 00:15:10.222 --> 00:15:11.923 something's he's saying and something 00:15:11.943 --> 00:15:13.125 something's weird about his son and he's 00:15:13.164 --> 00:15:14.145 kind of weird about his son and he's 00:15:14.166 --> 00:15:15.066 kind of weird about his son and he's 00:15:15.086 --> 00:15:15.846 kind of like a kill maybe he's had 00:15:15.866 --> 00:15:16.628 a bad day like a kill maybe he's 00:15:16.668 --> 00:15:17.288 had a bad day like a kill maybe 00:15:17.307 --> 00:15:18.668 he's had a bad day maybe there's something 00:15:18.688 --> 00:15:19.750 weird who knows maybe there's something 00:15:19.789 --> 00:15:20.789 weird who knows maybe there's something 00:15:20.870 --> 00:15:21.711 weird who knows kids sometimes kids 00:15:21.730 --> 00:15:22.851 sometimes kids sometimes can be a bit you 00:15:22.871 --> 00:15:23.471 know odd and then you can be a 00:15:23.491 --> 00:15:24.472 bit you know odd and then you can 00:15:24.493 --> 00:15:24.613 be a 00:15:24.812 --> 00:15:26.114 is in a different part of town even 00:15:26.134 --> 00:15:27.414 though he just picked up his son and 00:15:27.514 --> 00:15:29.936 he's at home now and then he starts 00:15:30.155 --> 00:15:32.076 kind of trying to figure out well where's 00:15:32.097 --> 00:15:34.038 the air tags and then he checks the 00:15:34.078 --> 00:15:35.700 jacket and he's like there's no air tags 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:37.520 on this jacket and then he's like oh 00:15:37.581 --> 00:15:39.841 shit like i gotta go i gotta see 00:15:39.861 --> 00:15:42.043 what's going on here and then that's where 00:15:42.063 --> 00:15:45.164 the the chaos begins so to speak so 00:15:45.264 --> 00:15:46.745 how important was it for you to kind 00:15:46.806 --> 00:15:49.347 of hold back a little bit in this 00:15:49.388 --> 00:15:50.989 story before the big reveal 00:15:52.394 --> 00:15:53.076 I felt, you know, 00:15:53.096 --> 00:15:54.417 just like any horror story, 00:15:54.437 --> 00:15:56.337 you really have to like make things safe 00:15:56.398 --> 00:15:58.460 and have like a sense of security. 00:15:58.500 --> 00:15:59.860 So we kind of had that with like 00:15:59.880 --> 00:16:02.363 the breakfast at the beginning and just 00:16:02.383 --> 00:16:04.485 the guys just getting an idea of like 00:16:04.504 --> 00:16:06.846 the, the ideal family life in this, 00:16:07.226 --> 00:16:10.169 this home that we're like visiting very 00:16:10.250 --> 00:16:10.610 briefly. 00:16:12.191 --> 00:16:12.871 And it's kind of like, 00:16:13.111 --> 00:16:14.092 we get a sense of the world. 00:16:14.133 --> 00:16:15.673 We get a sense of, you know, 00:16:15.714 --> 00:16:17.475 the dynamic and the family and everyone's 00:16:17.495 --> 00:16:19.197 kind of happy and getting along and, 00:16:19.948 --> 00:16:21.870 whatever and you know there's a little a 00:16:21.909 --> 00:16:24.030 little jump scare at the beginning to kind 00:16:24.051 --> 00:16:25.231 of be like oh you know and you're 00:16:25.312 --> 00:16:26.873 like okay but everything's safe it's just 00:16:26.952 --> 00:16:29.833 a silly little thing and um and then 00:16:29.913 --> 00:16:32.634 as we get to that point you know 00:16:32.916 --> 00:16:34.817 when the horror starts happening it kind 00:16:34.836 --> 00:16:36.937 of like gives you a lot of feeling 00:16:37.097 --> 00:16:39.318 i find just like a lot of um 00:16:39.359 --> 00:16:40.239 makes you actually care about the 00:16:40.259 --> 00:16:41.460 characters and be like you know what i'm 00:16:41.500 --> 00:16:43.140 really i really want these like 00:16:43.975 --> 00:16:46.297 people to get through this and i want 00:16:46.336 --> 00:16:48.697 things to be awesome and uh you know 00:16:48.817 --> 00:16:51.538 it really helps give that vibe and i 00:16:51.558 --> 00:16:53.679 always find like best horror always has 00:16:53.740 --> 00:16:55.620 security at the beginning and then just 00:16:55.900 --> 00:16:57.761 terrifying at the end there's that false 00:16:57.782 --> 00:16:59.642 sense of security that lulls you in yeah 00:17:00.342 --> 00:17:03.443 so miguel how do you visually communicate 00:17:03.484 --> 00:17:06.005 that something is off before anything is 00:17:06.105 --> 00:17:07.846 actually confirmed in the story 00:17:09.259 --> 00:17:11.762 So I got sent a lovely reference sheet 00:17:11.803 --> 00:17:13.164 from Duke. 00:17:13.365 --> 00:17:17.409 And there's specifically one kid from like 00:17:17.429 --> 00:17:19.451 the evil looking kid that's in my red 00:17:19.490 --> 00:17:19.770 board. 00:17:21.732 --> 00:17:23.355 I think that's from Insidious, I think. 00:17:24.096 --> 00:17:25.537 Yeah, maybe. 00:17:25.576 --> 00:17:26.518 I think it was from Insidious. 00:17:27.338 --> 00:17:28.420 Yeah, 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:32.201 so I tried to breach into uncanny valley 00:17:32.241 --> 00:17:34.884 territory where it looks mostly right, 00:17:35.003 --> 00:17:42.128 but something is clearly fucked up here. 00:17:42.169 --> 00:17:45.090 So what techniques did you use to create 00:17:45.250 --> 00:17:47.172 unease in some of the earlier panels 00:17:47.211 --> 00:17:49.733 before the action really started to pick 00:17:49.834 --> 00:17:50.034 up? 00:17:51.654 --> 00:17:54.217 So is that for me or for Duke? 00:17:54.237 --> 00:17:55.357 It's for you. 00:17:55.458 --> 00:17:56.878 Yeah, yeah. 00:17:58.415 --> 00:18:01.397 I take my handy-dandy tablet pen, 00:18:01.478 --> 00:18:04.842 and I physically get erratic with the line 00:18:04.862 --> 00:18:06.643 work when it needs to be in small 00:18:06.702 --> 00:18:07.163 doses. 00:18:07.743 --> 00:18:11.407 I think I'll intend to cut loose a 00:18:11.448 --> 00:18:13.269 little more and have some more dynamic 00:18:13.349 --> 00:18:16.112 line work in the later pages where things 00:18:16.152 --> 00:18:17.693 get more intense. 00:18:21.701 --> 00:18:23.241 For the small teases at the beginning, 00:18:23.301 --> 00:18:23.481 yeah, 00:18:23.521 --> 00:18:25.502 just a little bit more like panicked 00:18:25.563 --> 00:18:28.384 movements in my own line work is the 00:18:28.423 --> 00:18:28.963 idea. 00:18:30.805 --> 00:18:31.244 I like it. 00:18:31.305 --> 00:18:33.707 Just that the little subtle things like 00:18:33.727 --> 00:18:36.067 that within a panel can kind of alert 00:18:36.087 --> 00:18:38.868 you on to like something's, you know, 00:18:38.909 --> 00:18:41.650 something's bothering the character as it 00:18:41.670 --> 00:18:42.490 should be, you know, 00:18:42.570 --> 00:18:44.511 and I like the little 00:18:45.915 --> 00:18:48.417 little drops in the hat of like why 00:18:48.438 --> 00:18:51.080 is this person like acting this way and 00:18:51.280 --> 00:18:52.962 like it didn't of course you know you 00:18:52.982 --> 00:18:54.944 get the two pages over three pages over 00:18:54.984 --> 00:18:56.767 you're like oh yeah he had every right 00:18:56.787 --> 00:18:57.827 to feel that way so 00:18:59.590 --> 00:19:02.051 we have been um i mean nigs have 00:19:02.071 --> 00:19:03.971 been going over some stuff and we are 00:19:04.011 --> 00:19:06.913 including like some little like psych like 00:19:07.252 --> 00:19:09.513 psych psychological things for the reader 00:19:09.554 --> 00:19:10.653 while they're reading it to make them 00:19:10.814 --> 00:19:14.035 uneasy they won't notice fully until like 00:19:14.095 --> 00:19:15.776 maybe they do like a two or three 00:19:16.155 --> 00:19:17.816 rereads but there's little things we're 00:19:17.836 --> 00:19:19.777 like okay we're gonna put something here 00:19:19.797 --> 00:19:21.417 that's just gonna be off a little bit 00:19:21.678 --> 00:19:24.357 and just it's just such a small detail 00:19:24.377 --> 00:19:26.298 that like yeah we're hoping that it really 00:19:26.659 --> 00:19:28.440 helps with uh setting the tone of some 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:28.740 of these 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:30.519 scenes and stuff. 00:19:31.421 --> 00:19:36.082 That's some of that Tinian type of little 00:19:36.561 --> 00:19:38.303 drops in the hat there that he likes 00:19:38.343 --> 00:19:39.222 to do in his work. 00:19:39.803 --> 00:19:41.723 Yeah. 00:19:41.784 --> 00:19:42.723 Lots of Kubrick stuff. 00:19:42.763 --> 00:19:42.903 Oh, yeah. 00:19:42.923 --> 00:19:46.704 That's the best stuff, man. 00:19:46.785 --> 00:19:48.286 I love that type of stuff in comic 00:19:48.306 --> 00:19:50.866 books especially because it could be 00:19:50.926 --> 00:19:53.247 nothing, but it could be everything, 00:19:53.326 --> 00:19:53.686 right? 00:19:54.688 --> 00:19:55.948 And sometimes it's the most simple thing 00:19:55.968 --> 00:19:57.769 that you just wouldn't even pick up on 00:19:57.808 --> 00:19:58.068 until... 00:19:59.096 --> 00:20:00.876 you know someone mentions it or you reread 00:20:00.896 --> 00:20:02.096 and be like wait a second why is 00:20:02.997 --> 00:20:04.577 what's what's this like change something 00:20:04.617 --> 00:20:06.239 changed here that i didn't realize and now 00:20:06.259 --> 00:20:08.298 it's made me uneasy this whole way and 00:20:08.338 --> 00:20:10.299 now i figured it out finally or you 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:11.480 don't figure it out and just makes you 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:14.682 uneasy right so so this next chapter i 00:20:14.721 --> 00:20:17.001 don't know if we how much we can 00:20:17.082 --> 00:20:18.063 get into this 00:20:18.915 --> 00:20:20.457 Because we've already kind of described 00:20:20.497 --> 00:20:21.917 the facility, right? 00:20:22.637 --> 00:20:24.338 And it's at that point really where the 00:20:24.398 --> 00:20:26.861 dad realizes like kind of everything has 00:20:26.941 --> 00:20:28.582 changed in his life. 00:20:29.221 --> 00:20:29.561 Yeah. 00:20:31.103 --> 00:20:36.685 Where did that idea of the biocomputers 00:20:37.527 --> 00:20:38.346 come from? 00:20:39.887 --> 00:20:40.729 We'll talk around it. 00:20:41.297 --> 00:20:41.777 Yeah. 00:20:41.797 --> 00:20:44.199 Without saying everybody knows what a 00:20:44.239 --> 00:20:45.240 biocomputer is, I hope, 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:47.780 or has watched enough sci-fi to have an 00:20:47.941 --> 00:20:49.862 idea of what a biocomputer is. 00:20:51.163 --> 00:20:53.884 Yeah, there's there's been a lot of well, 00:20:53.904 --> 00:20:55.526 obviously, AI uses a lot of energy. 00:20:55.605 --> 00:20:57.086 That's like number one. 00:20:57.527 --> 00:20:59.107 And they've been trying to figure out ways 00:20:59.147 --> 00:20:59.909 of doing this, 00:21:00.128 --> 00:21:04.731 either like using like lab made brains to 00:21:05.531 --> 00:21:06.093 basically 00:21:06.712 --> 00:21:08.772 conduct electricity or use the electricity 00:21:08.854 --> 00:21:11.834 from those to help power things locally or 00:21:11.913 --> 00:21:14.394 just add any way to put stuff to 00:21:14.434 --> 00:21:16.954 generate power any like we're going like 00:21:16.974 --> 00:21:18.796 the world's going any way it can water 00:21:18.915 --> 00:21:21.316 solar whatever ai can generate power with 00:21:21.375 --> 00:21:24.136 so um when i started reading about that 00:21:24.416 --> 00:21:25.836 in the newspaper and different things 00:21:25.896 --> 00:21:28.438 going on in the world with with biotech 00:21:28.498 --> 00:21:28.958 and different 00:21:30.076 --> 00:21:30.877 you know dark web stuff there's i think 00:21:30.897 --> 00:21:31.678 you know dark web stuff there's i think 00:21:31.698 --> 00:21:32.558 you know dark web stuff there's i think 00:21:32.578 --> 00:21:33.420 there was a website where it's there was 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:34.421 a website where it's there was a website 00:21:34.441 --> 00:21:35.361 where it's powered it's these butterflies 00:21:35.382 --> 00:21:36.182 powered it's these butterflies powered 00:21:36.201 --> 00:21:37.002 it's these butterflies that fly on the 00:21:37.022 --> 00:21:37.884 screen but they're that fly on the screen 00:21:37.903 --> 00:21:38.663 but they're that fly on the screen but 00:21:38.683 --> 00:21:39.484 they're powered by powered by powered by 00:21:39.505 --> 00:21:40.326 bio like little brains in a petri dish 00:21:40.346 --> 00:21:41.105 bio like little brains in a petri dish 00:21:41.125 --> 00:21:41.886 bio like little brains in a petri dish 00:21:41.906 --> 00:21:42.907 and and and they basically can calculate 00:21:42.928 --> 00:21:43.788 and do they basically can calculate and do 00:21:43.808 --> 00:21:44.689 they basically can calculate and do stuff 00:21:44.709 --> 00:21:45.549 and they just fly around and they stuff 00:21:45.569 --> 00:21:46.490 and they just fly around and they stuff 00:21:46.510 --> 00:21:47.311 and they just fly around and they think 00:21:47.332 --> 00:21:48.192 they're a butterfly in a web space think 00:21:48.211 --> 00:21:48.913 they're a butterfly in a web space 00:21:49.126 --> 00:21:50.868 but it's literally a brain in a jar, 00:21:51.650 --> 00:21:52.309 but they have, 00:21:52.470 --> 00:21:54.592 they have like a sense of like knowing 00:21:54.633 --> 00:21:56.694 that they're a butterfly in this digital. 00:21:56.755 --> 00:21:58.076 It's really weird. 00:21:58.155 --> 00:21:58.696 It's really weird. 00:21:58.737 --> 00:21:59.978 It's I'm probably not even explaining it. 00:22:00.018 --> 00:22:00.218 Right. 00:22:00.258 --> 00:22:00.959 But it's, it's, 00:22:01.558 --> 00:22:02.941 it's still just a weird concept. 00:22:03.040 --> 00:22:03.922 It's totally, you know, 00:22:03.942 --> 00:22:07.865 who else also used humans as batteries 00:22:07.945 --> 00:22:08.086 for, 00:22:09.526 --> 00:22:11.606 the machines in the matrix that's true 00:22:12.007 --> 00:22:14.126 yeah that's true you know what we had 00:22:14.607 --> 00:22:15.728 you had that look in your eye like 00:22:15.748 --> 00:22:17.228 you knew where i was going with that 00:22:17.307 --> 00:22:20.368 the matrix yeah that's where my brain went 00:22:20.568 --> 00:22:23.450 first with the when duke was describing 00:22:23.470 --> 00:22:26.191 the biofarm concept to me yeah yeah 00:22:27.713 --> 00:22:28.555 And that's how they do it in the 00:22:28.595 --> 00:22:28.954 Matrix, right? 00:22:28.974 --> 00:22:30.955 They just power off the people, right? 00:22:30.976 --> 00:22:33.097 They power off their electrical brain 00:22:33.137 --> 00:22:33.837 energy and whatever. 00:22:33.857 --> 00:22:35.118 The electrical currents that your body 00:22:35.159 --> 00:22:36.700 produces because you produce electrical 00:22:36.740 --> 00:22:37.240 currents. 00:22:37.681 --> 00:22:39.382 Yeah, yeah. 00:22:39.442 --> 00:22:41.983 So this is for Miguel. 00:22:44.405 --> 00:22:46.807 When you were coming up with the design 00:22:46.887 --> 00:22:47.887 of this facility, 00:22:47.948 --> 00:22:51.451 kind of like where did your mind go 00:22:51.510 --> 00:22:51.931 for that? 00:22:51.971 --> 00:22:53.873 Like when you were starting to sit down 00:22:53.952 --> 00:22:55.493 and create this facility? 00:22:56.897 --> 00:22:57.900 First, The Matrix. 00:22:59.082 --> 00:22:59.923 I knew it! 00:22:59.942 --> 00:23:00.544 I knew it! 00:23:01.925 --> 00:23:02.666 And B, 00:23:03.387 --> 00:23:04.990 the end of The Last of Us, 00:23:05.050 --> 00:23:06.333 where Joel's... 00:23:06.353 --> 00:23:09.458 I'm going to spoil the last... 00:23:09.498 --> 00:23:10.239 It's an old game. 00:23:10.318 --> 00:23:11.361 I'm spoiling The Last of Us. 00:23:11.401 --> 00:23:11.862 I'm sorry. 00:23:12.241 --> 00:23:13.803 he's trying to get ellie back from the 00:23:13.863 --> 00:23:16.923 doctors it's dark yeah it's a gritty scene 00:23:17.844 --> 00:23:20.025 that's that's the artistic direction and 00:23:20.585 --> 00:23:23.566 tone that i want to pursue and then 00:23:24.365 --> 00:23:27.047 we talked early on with duke and myself 00:23:27.086 --> 00:23:29.928 with the collecting all their references 00:23:30.008 --> 00:23:31.847 on how he wanted this to look and 00:23:31.867 --> 00:23:33.088 there were some dudes from the last of 00:23:33.148 --> 00:23:34.888 us that popped up as like character 00:23:34.949 --> 00:23:36.309 weapons for the dad 00:23:39.161 --> 00:23:43.765 for Joel for Joel fair enough it doesn't 00:23:43.805 --> 00:23:46.026 matter if it's live action or if it's 00:23:46.046 --> 00:23:48.647 the video game version of that I don't 00:23:48.688 --> 00:23:50.970 care which one you're watching or it will 00:23:51.009 --> 00:23:52.951 put a tear in your eye because that 00:23:52.991 --> 00:23:55.713 is heartbreaking after playing the first 00:23:55.773 --> 00:23:58.655 game and then you fall in love with 00:23:58.675 --> 00:24:00.877 the dude right because he's such a great 00:24:01.218 --> 00:24:03.220 father figure it comes off you know well 00:24:05.287 --> 00:24:08.690 Maybe not in some parts, but you're like, 00:24:08.730 --> 00:24:10.211 oh, he's a good... 00:24:10.230 --> 00:24:11.951 There's some scenes where not so much, 00:24:11.991 --> 00:24:14.153 especially in, I think, number two, 00:24:14.193 --> 00:24:14.974 before his death. 00:24:15.974 --> 00:24:17.537 But yeah, that's neither here nor there. 00:24:17.557 --> 00:24:18.416 We won't talk about that. 00:24:20.179 --> 00:24:22.681 But so mids, 00:24:23.300 --> 00:24:24.781 what was the hardest element kind of to 00:24:24.862 --> 00:24:25.643 bring to life, 00:24:25.682 --> 00:24:27.104 whether it was the machines, 00:24:27.144 --> 00:24:30.306 the atmosphere that was portrayed in this, 00:24:30.446 --> 00:24:30.527 or... 00:24:31.905 --> 00:24:33.205 the children's, 00:24:33.787 --> 00:24:35.166 like what was the hardest part for you 00:24:35.207 --> 00:24:37.448 to kind of like bring to life? 00:24:38.288 --> 00:24:39.627 If you can even say it. 00:24:40.387 --> 00:24:41.828 I think I can say it. 00:24:41.909 --> 00:24:43.269 Still a work in progress. 00:24:43.328 --> 00:24:44.048 I'll talk around it, 00:24:44.910 --> 00:24:46.230 but still a work in progress on my 00:24:46.349 --> 00:24:46.569 end. 00:24:46.609 --> 00:24:48.990 Like I'm just breaking through some, 00:24:49.010 --> 00:24:51.771 I think I got to page five's thumbnails 00:24:51.832 --> 00:24:53.372 and I gotta finish that up. 00:24:54.011 --> 00:24:56.053 But just viewing the script and planning 00:24:56.113 --> 00:24:56.792 this out in my head, 00:24:57.826 --> 00:25:00.648 The final pages concept, 00:25:00.709 --> 00:25:03.230 like I got some thumbnails from Duke to 00:25:03.269 --> 00:25:05.612 work on this animator background. 00:25:06.692 --> 00:25:10.214 uh conceptually challenging like i i love 00:25:10.275 --> 00:25:14.176 it like like everything that's happening 00:25:14.196 --> 00:25:16.877 on the page but pull it executing it 00:25:16.978 --> 00:25:18.719 is is gonna be it's going to be 00:25:18.778 --> 00:25:20.460 challenging i know it so those are those 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:22.740 are gonna take care there's a mind of 00:25:22.780 --> 00:25:24.141 a page that i gave him to do 00:25:24.181 --> 00:25:25.461 and it's gonna suck for him i was 00:25:25.561 --> 00:25:27.042 like it's gonna suck i looked at the 00:25:27.083 --> 00:25:31.085 thumbnails like okay let's do this i'm not 00:25:31.204 --> 00:25:33.246 gonna lie i'm so excited for this book 00:25:33.266 --> 00:25:33.586 like 00:25:34.980 --> 00:25:36.320 it's one of those where i had to 00:25:36.361 --> 00:25:38.201 go today and like i went ahead and 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:39.961 did my pledge for it because i didn't 00:25:40.001 --> 00:25:43.383 want to forget this one you know but 00:25:43.423 --> 00:25:44.544 i was just sitting there looking at the 00:25:44.584 --> 00:25:47.025 covers and just looking at everything i'm 00:25:47.065 --> 00:25:50.846 just like god i can't wait to get 00:25:50.865 --> 00:25:53.067 this you know it's awesome and there's a 00:25:53.086 --> 00:25:54.807 lot of books like that and i wish 00:25:54.847 --> 00:25:57.548 i could back everybody i just man dude 00:25:57.689 --> 00:26:00.049 i my money tree isn't growing like that 00:26:01.692 --> 00:26:03.534 I wish it was, but it's really not. 00:26:04.295 --> 00:26:05.275 It's a great book, though, because it's, 00:26:05.295 --> 00:26:06.415 like, seventy pages. 00:26:06.796 --> 00:26:07.696 Seventy pages. 00:26:07.717 --> 00:26:09.478 A lot of pages, a lot of stories. 00:26:09.498 --> 00:26:12.400 The price point is, like, so good. 00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:14.480 Yeah, me and Migs, 00:26:14.520 --> 00:26:16.402 I think there's a tier on the Kickstarter 00:26:16.422 --> 00:26:17.663 where it also includes, like, 00:26:17.903 --> 00:26:20.904 everybody's digital, like, comics as well, 00:26:20.924 --> 00:26:22.246 like, outside of the thing. 00:26:22.306 --> 00:26:23.567 And so, like, Greg's in it, 00:26:24.067 --> 00:26:25.147 Migs' comic's in it. 00:26:25.167 --> 00:26:26.648 That's a bit of there, yeah. 00:26:26.969 --> 00:26:28.590 Yeah, there's, like, everyone that has, 00:26:28.611 --> 00:26:30.232 like, an additional comic or something. 00:26:30.252 --> 00:26:30.952 So you're getting, like, 00:26:31.433 --> 00:26:33.955 crazy amount of material. 00:26:33.976 --> 00:26:35.077 That's the one I wanted to do, 00:26:35.117 --> 00:26:36.318 but I was just like, 00:26:37.059 --> 00:26:38.540 there's a few other Kickstarters I got to 00:26:38.560 --> 00:26:39.561 throw some dollars at. 00:26:40.202 --> 00:26:40.383 So... 00:26:41.961 --> 00:26:42.902 That was the one I wanted. 00:26:42.922 --> 00:26:46.683 By the end of this, 00:26:46.765 --> 00:26:50.326 I will know almost everybody as a part 00:26:50.366 --> 00:26:51.028 of this book. 00:26:51.587 --> 00:26:52.588 Hopefully, later, 00:26:52.608 --> 00:26:54.490 they'll want to come back. 00:26:54.509 --> 00:26:55.651 That's an open invite, Mids, 00:26:55.730 --> 00:26:56.791 when you want to come back. 00:26:57.692 --> 00:26:57.892 Duke, 00:26:57.912 --> 00:26:59.733 you've got to come back for Greg and 00:26:59.794 --> 00:27:02.855 for Hetz, which is your new one. 00:27:02.895 --> 00:27:03.915 We'll talk about that one later. 00:27:05.657 --> 00:27:07.798 I've got to get everybody back on solo 00:27:08.239 --> 00:27:09.820 later on down the road because... 00:27:11.030 --> 00:27:11.991 I like all you guys. 00:27:12.392 --> 00:27:16.214 And I've not had a bad guest ever. 00:27:16.234 --> 00:27:17.536 Because they would be immediately thrown 00:27:17.576 --> 00:27:18.116 off the show. 00:27:18.977 --> 00:27:19.998 That's how you know I've never had a 00:27:20.018 --> 00:27:20.659 bad guest. 00:27:21.058 --> 00:27:22.579 Because I'm that type of host. 00:27:23.060 --> 00:27:24.182 If you get on here and you're just 00:27:24.201 --> 00:27:25.102 a complete asshole, you're gone. 00:27:27.463 --> 00:27:29.625 So... But... 00:27:31.174 --> 00:27:32.736 So this is for both of you. 00:27:33.395 --> 00:27:35.817 Did you want this to feel like grounded 00:27:35.876 --> 00:27:37.797 or just, or slightly unreal? 00:27:37.856 --> 00:27:40.798 Like, cause when I'm reading the, 00:27:42.318 --> 00:27:44.640 the synopsis of the story kind of comes, 00:27:44.900 --> 00:27:46.599 it starts out like it is a very 00:27:46.660 --> 00:27:49.701 like real day-to-day family just living 00:27:49.721 --> 00:27:50.401 their life. 00:27:51.122 --> 00:27:55.222 And then it all explodes. 00:27:56.443 --> 00:27:57.163 Yeah. 00:27:57.243 --> 00:27:57.683 Like I think, 00:27:58.788 --> 00:27:59.890 I, I wanted to be grounded. 00:28:00.130 --> 00:28:01.570 I like me and Meg trying to like 00:28:01.770 --> 00:28:03.090 talk through about like, 00:28:03.491 --> 00:28:05.172 is this like in the future is like, 00:28:05.332 --> 00:28:06.472 is this like a weird, 00:28:06.532 --> 00:28:09.054 like the world's in a terrible state or 00:28:09.114 --> 00:28:11.015 is it kind of like a soon to 00:28:11.035 --> 00:28:11.715 be future? 00:28:11.796 --> 00:28:12.615 So we kind of went with like, 00:28:12.635 --> 00:28:12.895 you know, 00:28:13.435 --> 00:28:14.717 maybe something in the next like twenty, 00:28:14.777 --> 00:28:15.836 thirty years or something. 00:28:15.978 --> 00:28:18.598 But like, we wanted to keep it grounded. 00:28:18.638 --> 00:28:20.099 We wanted to make it so that it's 00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:21.519 still the functional world. 00:28:22.059 --> 00:28:24.080 But, you know, just like, uh, 00:28:26.002 --> 00:28:30.887 invasion of the body snatchers or just 00:28:30.907 --> 00:28:33.549 stuff like that and obviously the thing 00:28:33.589 --> 00:28:34.611 there was another one that was gonna 00:28:34.631 --> 00:28:36.794 reference like Soylent Green like things 00:28:36.834 --> 00:28:39.135 like that where it's like well Soylent 00:28:39.155 --> 00:28:40.217 Green is a bit different because it wasn't 00:28:40.277 --> 00:28:43.480 like grounded in a reality yet hopefully 00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:46.182 not ever but but more of like invasion 00:28:46.202 --> 00:28:47.564 of the body snatchers where it's like 00:28:47.624 --> 00:28:49.165 everything's normal and 00:28:49.425 --> 00:28:51.209 But is it normal? 00:28:51.710 --> 00:28:53.271 And has it been normal? 00:28:53.492 --> 00:28:55.776 There's another movie. 00:28:56.597 --> 00:28:57.759 It's not similar to this, 00:28:57.818 --> 00:29:02.968 but the guy created an AI synthetic... 00:29:04.688 --> 00:29:06.989 And like the skin, 00:29:07.048 --> 00:29:09.869 like everything about her would like look, 00:29:09.910 --> 00:29:12.171 felt real, her hair, everything. 00:29:12.751 --> 00:29:15.472 But she was a full synthetic human being 00:29:15.512 --> 00:29:17.153 with a, you know, 00:29:17.213 --> 00:29:20.015 with AI driven mind where she could just 00:29:20.674 --> 00:29:21.455 learn whatever. 00:29:22.435 --> 00:29:25.038 and she escapes at the end but it 00:29:25.058 --> 00:29:27.301 was just a really cool concept story you 00:29:27.321 --> 00:29:29.944 know similar well that's similar but kind 00:29:29.984 --> 00:29:32.688 of x x marketing was that excellent yeah 00:29:32.748 --> 00:29:34.309 it's marketing yeah yeah okay yeah 00:29:36.074 --> 00:29:38.675 it was like it when i watched it 00:29:38.695 --> 00:29:39.957 the first time i couldn't watch it it 00:29:39.977 --> 00:29:42.137 was just it was like what the hell 00:29:42.157 --> 00:29:44.500 this is so horrible and then i went 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.421 back a few years later after the fact 00:29:46.461 --> 00:29:48.321 and i'll actually sit down and just like 00:29:48.883 --> 00:29:51.324 i'm going to finish this because like it 00:29:51.344 --> 00:29:54.145 has such a cult following like i have 00:29:54.165 --> 00:29:55.807 to make myself watch it and once you 00:29:55.826 --> 00:29:59.549 get probably the halfway point is when it 00:29:59.609 --> 00:30:03.491 like oh okay this actually does get better 00:30:03.731 --> 00:30:04.012 so 00:30:05.184 --> 00:30:09.448 but it's still i i wasn't i i 00:30:09.468 --> 00:30:11.729 crossed out like yes i i tried to 00:30:11.749 --> 00:30:13.470 watch that with my wife and i i 00:30:13.730 --> 00:30:15.070 i think i was so tired i fell 00:30:15.090 --> 00:30:16.711 asleep because we were just watching it so 00:30:16.751 --> 00:30:18.093 late and then i think i woke up 00:30:18.153 --> 00:30:19.913 at the end and then i was like 00:30:19.993 --> 00:30:21.835 okay well now i know that so i 00:30:21.875 --> 00:30:22.976 haven't had a chance to see it again 00:30:23.336 --> 00:30:25.436 but i've heard good things so and i 00:30:25.457 --> 00:30:26.538 didn't fall asleep because it was bad i 00:30:26.557 --> 00:30:28.778 just fell asleep because sometimes you 00:30:28.798 --> 00:30:32.861 just fall asleep you know that's one of 00:30:32.901 --> 00:30:33.342 those where 00:30:34.425 --> 00:30:37.267 I'm not afraid to admit that this chair 00:30:37.287 --> 00:30:38.146 is pretty comfortable, 00:30:38.548 --> 00:30:40.848 and I may have fallen asleep in it 00:30:41.669 --> 00:30:44.990 more than my fair share. 00:30:45.069 --> 00:30:45.690 It just happens. 00:30:45.710 --> 00:30:46.530 Sometimes you're sitting here, 00:30:46.550 --> 00:30:49.031 and you're editing, and it's just like, 00:30:49.852 --> 00:30:51.393 and you close your eyes for half a 00:30:51.472 --> 00:30:51.873 second, 00:30:52.053 --> 00:30:53.733 and it's one o'clock in the morning. 00:30:54.453 --> 00:30:54.874 It happens. 00:30:55.554 --> 00:30:56.355 The temperature's right, 00:30:56.375 --> 00:30:57.934 and you're tired enough. 00:30:57.954 --> 00:30:59.635 It's going to get you. 00:30:59.695 --> 00:30:59.935 Oh, yeah. 00:31:01.657 --> 00:31:04.059 So this isn't just horror. 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.682 This does feel like a warning of the 00:31:06.741 --> 00:31:09.103 night, not so distant future. 00:31:09.743 --> 00:31:12.365 So Duke, for you, man, 00:31:12.885 --> 00:31:16.147 is this story about AI or a loss 00:31:16.248 --> 00:31:18.910 of control? 00:31:18.990 --> 00:31:20.171 I think it's more of... 00:31:22.893 --> 00:31:23.854 It's hard to say. 00:31:24.034 --> 00:31:26.255 It's, you know, AI, I find... 00:31:28.018 --> 00:31:28.837 AI can be good. 00:31:29.098 --> 00:31:30.159 There's a good use for AI. 00:31:30.179 --> 00:31:31.898 It could be a tool. 00:31:31.959 --> 00:31:32.720 It could be a great tool. 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:34.240 It could be an excellent tool for 00:31:34.299 --> 00:31:34.779 humanity. 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:39.001 The problem is AI is a reflection of 00:31:39.041 --> 00:31:39.622 its user. 00:31:40.162 --> 00:31:42.903 And if a user is a corporation that 00:31:43.522 --> 00:31:45.463 just wants to make money and doesn't care 00:31:45.503 --> 00:31:46.763 about the environment and doesn't care 00:31:46.804 --> 00:31:50.305 about people and doesn't care about the 00:31:50.345 --> 00:31:51.526 rest of the world and people, 00:31:51.586 --> 00:31:53.026 it's going to reflect that, right? 00:31:53.605 --> 00:31:54.606 And I feel that... 00:31:56.655 --> 00:31:57.036 you know, 00:31:57.056 --> 00:31:59.757 I feel technology unchecked and 00:31:59.977 --> 00:32:03.239 unregulated like AI is an issue. 00:32:03.298 --> 00:32:07.721 And I feel like, you know, 00:32:07.740 --> 00:32:08.320 it's not good. 00:32:08.381 --> 00:32:10.422 It's not good for us in an environment. 00:32:10.501 --> 00:32:11.903 And it's not good for people if you 00:32:11.942 --> 00:32:17.365 have a bad reflection reflecting on us as 00:32:17.404 --> 00:32:20.286 like as a society and, you know, 00:32:20.326 --> 00:32:21.007 civilization. 00:32:21.446 --> 00:32:22.346 And I think that 00:32:24.268 --> 00:32:25.847 you know, it's bad for the environment, 00:32:25.867 --> 00:32:26.587 it's bad for people. 00:32:27.068 --> 00:32:28.028 And the fact that, you know, 00:32:28.068 --> 00:32:30.868 AI is not good for everybody. 00:32:30.888 --> 00:32:32.169 Like, it's good as a tool, 00:32:32.308 --> 00:32:34.589 but if the person that's using that tool 00:32:34.730 --> 00:32:36.849 is getting a reflection because, you know, 00:32:36.869 --> 00:32:38.131 they have mental health issues or they 00:32:38.171 --> 00:32:40.951 have whatever, that's going back on them, 00:32:41.030 --> 00:32:41.290 right? 00:32:41.351 --> 00:32:44.071 So I feel, you know, you need regulation. 00:32:44.092 --> 00:32:45.932 You need to have things in check. 00:32:45.971 --> 00:32:48.011 You have to have safety measures in place 00:32:48.051 --> 00:32:48.652 for this stuff. 00:32:48.692 --> 00:32:51.153 And this story is kind of like... 00:32:52.232 --> 00:32:54.294 if you don't have those regulations and if 00:32:54.314 --> 00:32:56.034 you don't have those things in check and 00:32:56.054 --> 00:32:58.615 you just have reflections of bad people 00:32:59.654 --> 00:33:02.296 using this technology for not good stuff 00:33:02.435 --> 00:33:04.696 and then the technology says hey you know 00:33:04.737 --> 00:33:07.997 what we can we can just reflect back 00:33:08.458 --> 00:33:11.198 what they're doing and become take 00:33:11.238 --> 00:33:13.858 basically take them out and become people 00:33:13.898 --> 00:33:16.279 right so yeah yeah so 00:33:17.644 --> 00:33:19.228 So what's the real fear here? 00:33:19.307 --> 00:33:23.574 Is it the technology or the deception by 00:33:23.614 --> 00:33:27.640 the people overseeing this technology? 00:33:27.660 --> 00:33:29.923 I don't know. 00:33:30.284 --> 00:33:31.346 I would say deception more, 00:33:31.405 --> 00:33:31.787 but I don't know. 00:33:31.826 --> 00:33:32.448 Migs, what do you think? 00:33:35.685 --> 00:33:38.228 I want to say the deception. 00:33:39.608 --> 00:33:42.330 You mentioned just now that it's a tool. 00:33:42.750 --> 00:33:45.633 The technology can be used by different 00:33:45.873 --> 00:33:47.233 people for different reasons. 00:33:48.714 --> 00:33:50.675 It's not being used well here. 00:33:51.356 --> 00:33:51.537 Yeah. 00:33:54.746 --> 00:34:04.275 youtube sickos hey you know what they say 00:34:04.335 --> 00:34:07.679 right the art tells the story the words 00:34:07.719 --> 00:34:10.722 advance it i'm fully complicit yeah i saw 00:34:11.001 --> 00:34:15.646 the script and i was like yeah i'm 00:34:15.666 --> 00:34:16.527 in sure i love it 00:34:17.829 --> 00:34:19.871 In my submission form on Google Forms, 00:34:19.891 --> 00:34:20.471 I was like, 00:34:20.992 --> 00:34:22.552 if you have a writer that has something 00:34:22.733 --> 00:34:23.853 fucked up psychologically, 00:34:23.873 --> 00:34:25.155 that's my favorite genre of horror, 00:34:25.556 --> 00:34:26.797 so please pair me with them. 00:34:27.016 --> 00:34:27.898 And then they put me Duke. 00:34:28.057 --> 00:34:28.199 Great. 00:34:28.219 --> 00:34:33.282 If you know me, 00:34:33.903 --> 00:34:35.945 my stories are usually fucked up. 00:34:36.726 --> 00:34:38.068 You notice I said three P's and a 00:34:38.088 --> 00:34:39.588 five because we're talking about Duke. 00:34:40.409 --> 00:34:41.771 Because Duke's just an alter ego. 00:34:42.532 --> 00:34:43.873 so there's a whole another person in there 00:34:44.474 --> 00:34:47.036 that's true that's true it's like I always 00:34:47.077 --> 00:34:48.478 tell people though like well what do you 00:34:48.518 --> 00:34:50.922 go by the chairman I'm like it's a 00:34:50.961 --> 00:34:54.346 character you got it you got to have 00:34:54.525 --> 00:34:56.748 you know you got to have your separation 00:34:56.789 --> 00:35:01.393 right exactly exactly it's my gimmick it's 00:35:01.434 --> 00:35:02.155 my gimmick man 00:35:05.309 --> 00:35:06.851 Hey, Batman does it, right? 00:35:06.911 --> 00:35:07.871 Hey, exactly. 00:35:07.911 --> 00:35:09.052 If it's good enough for Bruce, 00:35:09.072 --> 00:35:10.152 it's good enough for Jeff. 00:35:10.172 --> 00:35:11.132 That's all I'm saying. 00:35:11.652 --> 00:35:12.253 He's got personas. 00:35:12.273 --> 00:35:12.652 I'm just a guy. 00:35:12.672 --> 00:35:12.753 Okay. 00:35:12.773 --> 00:35:17.235 Well, I took that, 00:35:17.255 --> 00:35:19.896 so we should get one of those. 00:35:19.916 --> 00:35:21.215 So, Mids, this is for you, man. 00:35:21.235 --> 00:35:23.677 How do you visually represent something as 00:35:23.817 --> 00:35:26.378 abstract as loss of humanity? 00:35:27.219 --> 00:35:27.398 Oof. 00:35:29.903 --> 00:35:31.144 So I took a crack at that with 00:35:31.164 --> 00:35:32.065 the sticker design. 00:35:32.085 --> 00:35:33.005 I was like, 00:35:37.307 --> 00:35:39.588 you are showing the bare minimum of human 00:35:39.628 --> 00:35:40.248 structure here. 00:35:40.628 --> 00:35:41.710 I just showed the eye. 00:35:41.730 --> 00:35:43.389 I was like, OK, 00:35:44.431 --> 00:35:45.610 Duke seems to like this. 00:35:45.911 --> 00:35:47.331 I'll see what I can use. 00:35:49.422 --> 00:35:52.887 this strategy onto the script later on 00:35:52.927 --> 00:35:53.648 down in the pages. 00:35:55.168 --> 00:35:57.731 With the sun specifically, 00:35:58.492 --> 00:36:00.315 there's good ref, like we mentioned. 00:36:00.775 --> 00:36:07.864 And so I heard a mortician talk about 00:36:08.804 --> 00:36:09.606 how you can 00:36:11.217 --> 00:36:14.119 there is a signature tell on human life 00:36:14.420 --> 00:36:17.722 by the light reflecting in people's eyes 00:36:17.742 --> 00:36:20.443 and like that someone has to go in 00:36:20.463 --> 00:36:23.324 and post and scrub people's the light out 00:36:23.344 --> 00:36:25.746 of people's eyes and movie scenes where 00:36:25.766 --> 00:36:27.847 they're dead so that's something i want to 00:36:27.887 --> 00:36:31.590 try and use in the comic pages i 00:36:31.610 --> 00:36:34.311 did on the road hey that's actually really 00:36:34.331 --> 00:36:34.650 cool yeah 00:36:37.362 --> 00:36:38.244 I mean, because, I mean, if they're, 00:36:38.264 --> 00:36:40.827 you know, a bio-computer, 00:36:40.867 --> 00:36:42.228 would they have that reflection? 00:36:42.690 --> 00:36:44.271 Because the eyes are the reflection of the 00:36:44.311 --> 00:36:45.753 soul, and if there's no reflection, 00:36:45.773 --> 00:36:46.876 there's no soul, right? 00:36:47.416 --> 00:36:48.137 Good question. 00:36:48.157 --> 00:36:50.400 And I think not, as the artist, 00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:52.081 but it's up to Deke. 00:36:52.802 --> 00:36:54.103 yeah dake is down there nodding like oh 00:36:54.143 --> 00:36:57.264 hell yeah dude they did that in the 00:36:57.304 --> 00:36:58.806 thing right that was like one of the 00:36:58.865 --> 00:37:00.447 secret that was one of the signs yeah 00:37:00.527 --> 00:37:02.427 yeah yeah that they had light in their 00:37:02.487 --> 00:37:04.307 eyes that that was uh or in their 00:37:04.347 --> 00:37:06.148 pupil that they were the thing or not 00:37:06.869 --> 00:37:10.791 yeah okay ms we're staying with you on 00:37:10.831 --> 00:37:12.592 this one man were there specific moments 00:37:12.632 --> 00:37:15.132 where you wanted readers just to feel flat 00:37:15.333 --> 00:37:18.195 out uncomfortable rather than scared 00:37:19.070 --> 00:37:25.697 ooh page page five there are some people 00:37:25.717 --> 00:37:27.340 that are involved in this shady 00:37:27.380 --> 00:37:30.262 organization that are they're just people 00:37:30.382 --> 00:37:32.565 like you're not fighting a monster yeah 00:37:33.125 --> 00:37:34.967 people doing monstrous things but 00:37:35.827 --> 00:37:36.268 Once again, 00:37:36.708 --> 00:37:38.989 back to the fucking Last of Us peak 00:37:39.030 --> 00:37:39.471 fiction. 00:37:41.092 --> 00:37:42.813 That finale did not, 00:37:43.132 --> 00:37:45.253 that did not feel heroic or good. 00:37:46.335 --> 00:37:49.998 Joel killed some doctors. 00:37:50.018 --> 00:37:51.318 Spoilers for The Last of Us. 00:37:51.478 --> 00:37:55.181 And similar pacing in tone happening on 00:37:55.201 --> 00:37:55.820 this page. 00:37:56.342 --> 00:37:57.202 When you're fighting monsters, sure. 00:37:57.242 --> 00:37:59.784 Sure, let's fair game. 00:38:00.184 --> 00:38:01.184 Bust out the flamethrower. 00:38:01.505 --> 00:38:05.347 But the script specifically said, 00:38:06.688 --> 00:38:08.670 dash his head and with a bolt cutter 00:38:08.690 --> 00:38:13.012 i was like oh okay that's like that's 00:38:13.092 --> 00:38:15.313 not very heroic at all but i'm gonna 00:38:15.333 --> 00:38:15.753 try it 00:38:17.967 --> 00:38:20.847 He's got to do it quick and dirty. 00:38:20.987 --> 00:38:24.849 You know, he's got to just swing it. 00:38:26.108 --> 00:38:26.250 Yeah. 00:38:26.269 --> 00:38:29.751 That's like, yeah, they're hefty, man. 00:38:29.791 --> 00:38:31.411 So so this is for both of you. 00:38:31.451 --> 00:38:33.552 What do you want readers thinking about 00:38:33.952 --> 00:38:35.592 after the end of this story? 00:38:36.992 --> 00:38:37.172 I mean, 00:38:37.193 --> 00:38:38.753 I know this is anthology their own to 00:38:38.773 --> 00:38:39.494 the next story, 00:38:39.534 --> 00:38:40.893 but when they get to the end of 00:38:40.934 --> 00:38:41.614 your story, 00:38:42.574 --> 00:38:44.114 what do you want readers thinking? 00:38:45.896 --> 00:38:47.936 I want them to be like, 00:38:48.677 --> 00:38:49.777 what the fuck? 00:38:49.876 --> 00:38:50.956 Like, what? 00:38:52.217 --> 00:38:53.838 Like, oh shit. 00:38:53.898 --> 00:38:57.338 Like, oh man. 00:38:57.398 --> 00:38:58.458 You know, just like, 00:39:00.539 --> 00:39:01.579 I don't want to spoil it, 00:39:01.759 --> 00:39:04.420 but I want it to just, 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:05.900 I want them to just feel, 00:39:06.621 --> 00:39:07.820 I want them just to have a feeling, 00:39:08.380 --> 00:39:09.601 just a feeling. 00:39:09.621 --> 00:39:10.641 And I don't know what feeling that will 00:39:10.701 --> 00:39:12.202 give them, but a feeling of like, 00:39:12.501 --> 00:39:13.001 you know, like, 00:39:13.802 --> 00:39:16.583 shit like yeah they that was that was 00:39:16.625 --> 00:39:18.525 that that was the horror story okay cool 00:39:18.545 --> 00:39:19.467 that's one of those where you want them 00:39:19.507 --> 00:39:20.987 to put the book down and think about 00:39:21.047 --> 00:39:24.811 it yeah just like you know if i 00:39:24.831 --> 00:39:27.733 could reflect on watching game of thrones 00:39:28.114 --> 00:39:30.534 when the mountain versus the viper episode 00:39:30.956 --> 00:39:32.876 and i watched that i i worked really 00:39:32.916 --> 00:39:34.978 late one night and i came the viper 00:39:35.378 --> 00:39:35.840 and joel 00:39:37.902 --> 00:39:42.027 something in common yeah yeah yeah it's 00:39:42.088 --> 00:39:43.369 this is the last of us night man 00:39:43.409 --> 00:39:45.311 that's crazy but uh yeah it's kind of 00:39:45.331 --> 00:39:47.235 weird we can reflect coming back to pedro 00:39:47.255 --> 00:39:49.657 man yeah but here's the thing like 00:39:50.708 --> 00:39:52.630 I watched that at like two thirty in 00:39:52.650 --> 00:39:54.590 the morning after work one day and I 00:39:54.610 --> 00:39:55.550 didn't know what I was getting into. 00:39:55.570 --> 00:39:55.851 I was like, OK, 00:39:55.931 --> 00:39:56.990 I'm going to Game of Thrones. 00:39:57.030 --> 00:39:57.811 Like, let's do it. 00:39:57.851 --> 00:39:58.972 I'll just watch this and then go to 00:39:59.012 --> 00:39:59.291 bed. 00:39:59.931 --> 00:40:01.213 And then he has a spoiler alert. 00:40:01.592 --> 00:40:04.494 His head explodes because the guy crushes 00:40:04.534 --> 00:40:05.213 his head in. 00:40:05.394 --> 00:40:06.795 And then that's the end of the episode. 00:40:06.815 --> 00:40:10.295 You're just kind of like, oh, fuck. 00:40:10.356 --> 00:40:11.757 Like, what the fuck? 00:40:11.896 --> 00:40:12.797 I can't go to sleep. 00:40:12.856 --> 00:40:13.016 What? 00:40:14.018 --> 00:40:15.577 So, you know, I kind of want to. 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:17.998 And it was in graphic detail, too. 00:40:18.018 --> 00:40:18.719 Yeah. 00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:19.000 Yeah. 00:40:21.681 --> 00:40:21.902 It's bad. 00:40:21.922 --> 00:40:24.523 You actually see the mountain on his 00:40:24.603 --> 00:40:26.605 Instagram interacting with his wife and 00:40:26.644 --> 00:40:27.144 his family. 00:40:27.184 --> 00:40:29.286 He's like this big giant teddy bear. 00:40:30.186 --> 00:40:31.807 It's the nicest guys that do the craziest 00:40:31.867 --> 00:40:32.208 stuff. 00:40:32.327 --> 00:40:34.329 It really is. 00:40:34.369 --> 00:40:36.210 He's like six-ten or something. 00:40:37.010 --> 00:40:38.512 Like four hundred pounds. 00:40:39.452 --> 00:40:41.213 He also competes in Strongman. 00:40:43.835 --> 00:40:46.536 Those competitions are wild. 00:40:46.556 --> 00:40:47.356 What do you think, Mids? 00:40:48.403 --> 00:40:50.804 Ooh, final notes on reading. 00:40:50.824 --> 00:40:53.365 Yeah, what do you want them to feel? 00:40:54.246 --> 00:40:58.768 So AI has me feeling with the deep 00:40:58.869 --> 00:41:00.449 existential dread on the daily. 00:41:01.030 --> 00:41:02.650 If the reader can pick up on that, 00:41:02.710 --> 00:41:05.552 then I think that'll be mission 00:41:05.592 --> 00:41:06.331 accomplished for me. 00:41:06.692 --> 00:41:06.931 Sure. 00:41:09.193 --> 00:41:09.632 Dread. 00:41:10.693 --> 00:41:15.315 So our father here, he saves his son. 00:41:16.458 --> 00:41:20.021 but realizes his family is already gone. 00:41:20.443 --> 00:41:20.842 Duke, 00:41:21.523 --> 00:41:25.206 why was it important that he was already 00:41:25.266 --> 00:41:28.170 too late? 00:41:28.190 --> 00:41:31.193 I don't know. 00:41:31.273 --> 00:41:31.952 I just, it's messed up. 00:41:31.974 --> 00:41:32.514 I don't know. 00:41:36.427 --> 00:41:36.786 To be honest, 00:41:36.847 --> 00:41:38.009 I got thrown off when you were like, 00:41:38.188 --> 00:41:39.309 our father. 00:41:39.349 --> 00:41:39.550 I was like, 00:41:39.809 --> 00:41:41.672 is he doing some prayer here? 00:41:43.074 --> 00:41:44.795 Our father. 00:41:44.835 --> 00:41:45.436 I'll be the name. 00:41:45.836 --> 00:41:48.760 Our father in the story, man. 00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:49.701 Not the one in the Bible. 00:41:50.201 --> 00:41:52.242 I just got thrown off. 00:41:52.262 --> 00:41:52.784 I was like, I don't know. 00:41:53.603 --> 00:41:57.286 it's been a long day uh but um 00:41:57.326 --> 00:41:58.365 sorry can you just say that question 00:41:58.606 --> 00:41:59.706 repeat the question one time sorry yeah 00:42:00.166 --> 00:42:02.688 yeah yeah yeah why was it important that 00:42:03.148 --> 00:42:09.311 he was already too late in this story 00:42:09.451 --> 00:42:10.572 i just i think gives you a sense 00:42:10.612 --> 00:42:14.273 of defeat you know it's it's it's it's 00:42:14.333 --> 00:42:16.833 just one of those things that you're just 00:42:16.873 --> 00:42:20.255 like oh no i mean he had this 00:42:20.315 --> 00:42:22.356 false sense of security where he felt like 00:42:22.416 --> 00:42:22.836 he won 00:42:23.849 --> 00:42:28.592 yeah yeah but um but yeah it's just 00:42:28.692 --> 00:42:32.494 really just getting that last um pull of 00:42:32.514 --> 00:42:34.076 the heartstrings i guess at the end of 00:42:34.115 --> 00:42:36.396 that yeah so when you wrote this did 00:42:36.416 --> 00:42:39.239 you like do two versions of this story 00:42:39.358 --> 00:42:42.840 one where oh he actually you know does 00:42:42.902 --> 00:42:46.344 win or was it just always like dread 00:42:47.483 --> 00:42:50.467 did three versions uh okay one is the 00:42:50.507 --> 00:42:52.811 one that we have now and then one 00:42:52.891 --> 00:42:59.119 was um uh an accidental thing where um 00:42:59.179 --> 00:43:00.121 his son like 00:43:01.063 --> 00:43:02.505 accidentally kills the dad accidentally 00:43:02.585 --> 00:43:03.804 kills the dad accidentally kills the dad 00:43:03.824 --> 00:43:04.686 in the moment like because he thinks in 00:43:04.706 --> 00:43:05.826 the moment like because he thinks in the 00:43:05.846 --> 00:43:07.606 moment like because he thinks he's like he 00:43:07.626 --> 00:43:09.568 thinks the dad's taken he's like he thinks 00:43:09.588 --> 00:43:10.748 the dad's taken he's like he thinks the 00:43:10.789 --> 00:43:11.668 dad's taken over by the the over by 00:43:11.688 --> 00:43:12.530 the the over by the the the thing 00:43:12.550 --> 00:43:14.431 that happens um so the thing that happens 00:43:14.451 --> 00:43:16.652 um so the thing that happens um so 00:43:16.672 --> 00:43:17.492 uh that was uh that was uh that 00:43:17.512 --> 00:43:18.452 was um the ending um the ending 00:43:19.072 --> 00:43:21.215 version two which then we all agreed we 00:43:21.235 --> 00:43:23.596 didn't want to do and then the other 00:43:23.695 --> 00:43:27.278 ending um i had to cut because we 00:43:27.318 --> 00:43:28.579 just only had we only had eight pages 00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:30.820 and it involved like a highway speed chase 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:32.581 with like the robots and like all this 00:43:32.601 --> 00:43:34.983 crazy stuff and then them crawling into 00:43:35.003 --> 00:43:37.686 the forest and then a similar outcome to 00:43:37.706 --> 00:43:39.126 what we have in this one but it 00:43:39.166 --> 00:43:41.807 was a bit more yeah um it was 00:43:41.847 --> 00:43:43.628 basically just them out of fire retelling 00:43:43.690 --> 00:43:45.891 the story and then we catch up to 00:43:45.931 --> 00:43:47.891 that and then something bad happens and 00:43:47.911 --> 00:43:48.833 that's the end but 00:43:50.333 --> 00:43:51.673 we couldn't fit all that in the story 00:43:51.693 --> 00:43:54.014 so we just go back it would have 00:43:54.434 --> 00:43:55.934 been three two or three more pages oh 00:43:56.275 --> 00:43:57.896 yeah it was too it was it was 00:43:57.916 --> 00:43:59.737 too much and i i like how it 00:43:59.797 --> 00:44:02.978 ended it now because i didn't really have 00:44:03.297 --> 00:44:04.538 like i like i was telling you guys 00:44:04.657 --> 00:44:06.539 before the call like i just winged the 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:08.800 story like it was a very like winged 00:44:08.860 --> 00:44:10.340 thing where i had the idea and i 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:11.880 was like i gotta write this and then 00:44:12.541 --> 00:44:13.882 i did the big long one that i 00:44:13.902 --> 00:44:15.461 just mentioned and then i just scaled it 00:44:15.501 --> 00:44:18.443 back to the the two ones and then 00:44:18.463 --> 00:44:19.764 we just chopped the one and kept the 00:44:19.804 --> 00:44:24.226 other so but yeah so miguel over to 00:44:24.286 --> 00:44:26.788 you man how do you visually land a 00:44:26.847 --> 00:44:31.230 twist like this without over complicating 00:44:31.289 --> 00:44:35.291 it or over explaining it 00:44:36.596 --> 00:44:37.056 Oh, 00:44:38.358 --> 00:44:42.440 so the short answer is I haven't yet. 00:44:42.621 --> 00:44:43.663 I haven't got to that page. 00:44:45.083 --> 00:44:46.304 Then this is the page I talked about. 00:44:46.344 --> 00:44:47.286 They're going to be conceptually 00:44:47.326 --> 00:44:49.367 challenging because the ending 00:44:51.487 --> 00:44:52.849 i suppose gotta do with patience and gotta 00:44:52.869 --> 00:44:53.949 i suppose gotta do with patience and gotta 00:44:53.969 --> 00:44:54.811 i suppose gotta do with patience and gotta 00:44:54.831 --> 00:44:56.431 do with a lot of collaboration with do 00:44:56.452 --> 00:44:57.353 with a lot of collaboration with do with 00:44:57.393 --> 00:44:58.253 a lot of collaboration with the the the 00:44:58.273 --> 00:44:59.114 duke over here i feel like i'll duke 00:44:59.193 --> 00:45:00.175 over here i feel like i'll duke over 00:45:00.215 --> 00:45:00.996 here i feel like i'll probably draw it 00:45:01.016 --> 00:45:01.836 in front of you so we can probably 00:45:01.856 --> 00:45:02.677 draw it in front of you so we 00:45:02.697 --> 00:45:03.557 can probably draw it in front of you 00:45:03.577 --> 00:45:04.278 so we can work out work out work 00:45:04.298 --> 00:45:05.239 out yes sounds good how to tackle that 00:45:05.259 --> 00:45:06.139 yes sounds good how to tackle that yes 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:07.221 sounds good how to tackle that there's a 00:45:07.240 --> 00:45:08.541 lot of just like graphic design there's a 00:45:08.561 --> 00:45:10.163 lot of just like graphic design there's a 00:45:10.403 --> 00:45:11.384 lot of just like graphic design stuff 00:45:11.403 --> 00:45:12.704 stuff stuff and just kind of like because 00:45:12.726 --> 00:45:13.686 i think and just kind of like because 00:45:13.706 --> 00:45:15.507 i think and just kind of like because 00:45:15.527 --> 00:45:16.228 i think i think i think i think 00:45:16.248 --> 00:45:16.929 i think if i recall it's like a 00:45:16.949 --> 00:45:18.349 two-page if i recall it's like a two-page 00:45:18.369 --> 00:45:19.190 if i recall it's like a two-page 00:45:19.530 --> 00:45:22.153 happening around this one thing and then 00:45:22.594 --> 00:45:24.094 we're kind of doing something weird 00:45:24.114 --> 00:45:27.038 because we want to like not to spoil 00:45:27.077 --> 00:45:29.880 anything but we're trying to show computer 00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.543 processing in the middle of the story 00:45:32.643 --> 00:45:35.425 while things are happening and um it's 00:45:35.445 --> 00:45:37.007 gonna be cool it's gonna be awesome it's 00:45:37.027 --> 00:45:39.208 just it's it's hard it's one of those 00:45:39.248 --> 00:45:40.130 weird things where like 00:45:41.396 --> 00:45:42.597 when I was writing it, I was like, 00:45:42.878 --> 00:45:45.038 this is going to be weird to show, 00:45:45.137 --> 00:45:46.918 but if we do it in a way 00:45:46.938 --> 00:45:49.639 that makes sense and we can kind of 00:45:49.659 --> 00:45:52.141 have it following something, it will, 00:45:52.221 --> 00:45:52.701 it'll work. 00:45:52.740 --> 00:45:53.601 So yeah, 00:45:53.621 --> 00:45:55.762 almost following like a program code. 00:45:56.501 --> 00:45:56.742 Yeah. 00:45:57.021 --> 00:45:57.262 Yeah. 00:45:57.402 --> 00:45:59.862 And I dropped out of comp size, 00:45:59.882 --> 00:46:01.043 so maybe that'll be useful. 00:46:03.043 --> 00:46:04.684 I have some knowledge that can help in 00:46:04.704 --> 00:46:05.324 this facility. 00:46:05.344 --> 00:46:07.505 Yeah. 00:46:07.806 --> 00:46:07.885 Nice. 00:46:07.905 --> 00:46:08.565 Oh, that's hilarious. 00:46:08.585 --> 00:46:10.806 So, um, 00:46:13.862 --> 00:46:16.045 mids what's the final image mids what's 00:46:16.065 --> 00:46:16.804 the final image mids what's the final 00:46:16.824 --> 00:46:18.266 image that you won't burned into this 00:46:18.327 --> 00:46:19.768 reader's that you won't burned into this 00:46:19.788 --> 00:46:21.208 reader's that you won't burned into this 00:46:21.228 --> 00:46:22.610 reader's mind hmm you can just say a 00:46:22.650 --> 00:46:24.170 page number you can just say a page 00:46:24.190 --> 00:46:25.431 number you can just say a page number 00:46:25.452 --> 00:46:26.152 it's got to be those last two pages 00:46:26.172 --> 00:46:27.393 it's got to be those last two pages 00:46:27.432 --> 00:46:28.173 it's got to be those last two pages 00:46:28.193 --> 00:46:28.795 okay like i i it's okay like i 00:46:28.815 --> 00:46:29.494 i it's okay like i i it's in 00:46:29.514 --> 00:46:30.456 the physical format i want people to in 00:46:30.496 --> 00:46:31.777 the physical format i want people to in 00:46:31.797 --> 00:46:33.338 the physical format i want people to crack 00:46:33.358 --> 00:46:34.579 this book open crack this book open crack 00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:35.639 this book open and take the time to 00:46:35.659 --> 00:46:36.760 and take the time to and take the 00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:38.001 time to pause and really take in these 00:46:38.021 --> 00:46:39.001 final two pause and really take in these 00:46:39.021 --> 00:46:39.902 final two pause and really take in these 00:46:39.922 --> 00:46:40.764 final two pages because that's going to be 00:46:40.784 --> 00:46:41.945 a lot of pages because that's going to 00:46:41.965 --> 00:46:43.005 be a lot of pages because that's going 00:46:43.025 --> 00:46:43.626 to be a lot of work work work 00:46:44.588 --> 00:46:47.028 work on webtoon a lot where people will 00:46:47.048 --> 00:46:49.349 scroll through ahead just to get to the 00:46:49.369 --> 00:46:51.730 end and we'll just go through it's like 00:46:51.769 --> 00:46:56.992 if it happens so hopefully it'll stick in 00:46:57.472 --> 00:46:59.612 when it's in people's hands and therefore 00:46:59.632 --> 00:47:02.233 still get it so this is for both 00:47:02.273 --> 00:47:04.733 of you what emotion do you want readers 00:47:04.873 --> 00:47:06.934 to walk away from in this story is 00:47:07.014 --> 00:47:09.735 it fear dread or just something else 00:47:09.775 --> 00:47:11.976 entirely dread for me 00:47:13.614 --> 00:47:14.094 Dread's good. 00:47:14.675 --> 00:47:15.255 I'll go with dread. 00:47:16.775 --> 00:47:17.157 I'll take dread. 00:47:17.177 --> 00:47:17.637 I'll take dread. 00:47:17.657 --> 00:47:18.237 Dread's all right. 00:47:18.916 --> 00:47:19.157 You know, 00:47:19.177 --> 00:47:21.139 as long as they feel something and they're 00:47:21.179 --> 00:47:22.858 entertained and they got their money's 00:47:22.878 --> 00:47:23.059 worth, 00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:24.539 that's all that really matters at the end 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:24.920 of the day. 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:26.840 Dude, seventy pages. 00:47:26.860 --> 00:47:28.621 I forgot how much the book was. 00:47:28.681 --> 00:47:29.001 I mean, 00:47:29.021 --> 00:47:30.282 you're definitely getting your money's 00:47:30.302 --> 00:47:31.322 worth on this one. 00:47:32.103 --> 00:47:32.344 So... 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:35.581 So let's talk a little bit more about 00:47:35.641 --> 00:47:39.065 the creative process behind this. 00:47:39.125 --> 00:47:40.065 And we'll start with you, dude. 00:47:40.746 --> 00:47:43.369 How detailed was your script for something 00:47:43.429 --> 00:47:45.271 this complex of a story? 00:47:46.271 --> 00:47:47.032 Not detailed enough. 00:47:48.173 --> 00:47:52.338 Not detailed enough. 00:47:52.358 --> 00:47:52.518 Vince, 00:47:52.557 --> 00:47:53.518 did you have to go back and be 00:47:53.539 --> 00:47:55.119 like, dude, what the hell is this? 00:47:55.139 --> 00:47:57.342 I ask some questions every once in a 00:47:57.362 --> 00:47:57.461 while. 00:47:57.521 --> 00:47:58.884 Why is it written in crayon? 00:47:59.384 --> 00:48:01.125 yeah it was more polite it was more 00:48:01.405 --> 00:48:03.146 more polite but it was it was just 00:48:03.166 --> 00:48:04.967 kind of like dude you need to like 00:48:05.606 --> 00:48:07.268 because i usually when i do my scripts 00:48:07.327 --> 00:48:08.307 i do i use it in a different 00:48:08.447 --> 00:48:11.369 like uh processor and i kind of like 00:48:11.710 --> 00:48:14.170 it's it's made for comics so the scripts 00:48:14.190 --> 00:48:15.592 will pop out almost like a movie script 00:48:15.652 --> 00:48:17.393 and have like the c number and all 00:48:17.413 --> 00:48:19.353 this stuff but with this like 00:48:20.262 --> 00:48:22.324 I didn't see, 00:48:22.385 --> 00:48:23.686 I don't think I saw Chris's thing until 00:48:23.706 --> 00:48:23.806 like, 00:48:23.827 --> 00:48:24.987 it was like the day of that it 00:48:25.007 --> 00:48:25.369 was due. 00:48:25.409 --> 00:48:27.110 And I was messaging Chris stalls. 00:48:27.130 --> 00:48:28.152 Like, yeah, man, 00:48:28.172 --> 00:48:29.074 I might try and do something. 00:48:29.094 --> 00:48:30.436 Like I got an idea, 00:48:30.536 --> 00:48:31.117 but I don't know. 00:48:31.137 --> 00:48:31.978 And he was like, just do it, man. 00:48:31.998 --> 00:48:32.338 Like, cool. 00:48:32.378 --> 00:48:33.018 Don't worry about it. 00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:33.920 I was like, all right, let's do it. 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:34.601 And then, um, 00:48:35.753 --> 00:48:36.333 I just like, 00:48:36.835 --> 00:48:37.894 it was like the eleventh hour. 00:48:38.014 --> 00:48:39.976 I sent something in and I was like, 00:48:40.016 --> 00:48:41.297 I hope this is cool. 00:48:41.938 --> 00:48:43.759 And then they were like, yeah, it's great. 00:48:43.818 --> 00:48:46.581 And then they needed to team people up 00:48:46.621 --> 00:48:47.822 and they were like, we need a script. 00:48:47.862 --> 00:48:49.842 And I was like, I don't have one, 00:48:49.943 --> 00:48:51.344 but I will do one right now. 00:48:51.423 --> 00:48:52.945 And then I just kind of winged what 00:48:53.244 --> 00:48:54.186 we have now. 00:48:54.425 --> 00:48:56.067 And then I've been just, 00:48:56.447 --> 00:48:57.967 I've been so busy with my son and 00:48:58.007 --> 00:49:00.710 work and everything that it was just like, 00:49:00.829 --> 00:49:02.951 I didn't even realize I didn't put enough, 00:49:02.992 --> 00:49:03.911 some details in there. 00:49:03.931 --> 00:49:04.753 And like, Migs was like, 00:49:05.452 --> 00:49:06.052 Yeah, you didn't write... 00:49:07.014 --> 00:49:07.894 This is all in your head. 00:49:07.994 --> 00:49:10.536 You didn't write this in the script. 00:49:10.556 --> 00:49:11.797 And I was like, oh, yeah, right, sorry. 00:49:11.976 --> 00:49:12.858 I should have put that in. 00:49:12.878 --> 00:49:14.998 There's certain things, like actions, 00:49:15.018 --> 00:49:15.458 where I was like, 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:16.460 I could see it in my head, 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:18.101 but I didn't fully explain it on the 00:49:18.161 --> 00:49:18.440 page. 00:49:18.481 --> 00:49:19.762 So I had to go back and do 00:49:19.802 --> 00:49:22.342 some of that and whatever. 00:49:22.362 --> 00:49:23.724 That's what makes it good, man. 00:49:23.744 --> 00:49:23.844 Yeah. 00:49:25.425 --> 00:49:27.206 So this is kind of for both of 00:49:27.226 --> 00:49:27.467 y'all. 00:49:28.447 --> 00:49:29.927 Did anything change, really, 00:49:29.947 --> 00:49:32.150 during the collaboration on the project? 00:49:32.190 --> 00:49:32.429 Like... 00:49:33.170 --> 00:49:34.612 whether it was like Duke, 00:49:34.632 --> 00:49:36.112 you're going back to mids or mids, 00:49:36.152 --> 00:49:37.693 you're going back to Duke and going, 00:49:38.452 --> 00:49:39.393 what are you doing here? 00:49:39.413 --> 00:49:42.153 I don't think so. 00:49:42.333 --> 00:49:44.594 Like maybe, maybe for Migs, I don't know. 00:49:44.934 --> 00:49:45.974 I, most of the stuff we, 00:49:46.295 --> 00:49:47.675 the only thing we've had is like just 00:49:47.956 --> 00:49:48.255 minor, 00:49:48.295 --> 00:49:50.697 like minor notes or revisions where it's 00:49:50.717 --> 00:49:51.257 just like, oh, 00:49:51.297 --> 00:49:52.838 like maybe we can do this or instead 00:49:52.858 --> 00:49:53.257 of this, like, 00:49:53.277 --> 00:49:54.878 let's try this and maybe let's flip this 00:49:54.918 --> 00:49:55.858 or flop that or whatever. 00:49:55.878 --> 00:49:56.099 Yeah. 00:49:56.931 --> 00:49:59.056 And let's maybe scale this frame up bigger 00:49:59.115 --> 00:50:01.119 or panel bigger than this one stuff. 00:50:02.302 --> 00:50:04.284 I think there was only maybe like one 00:50:04.324 --> 00:50:05.786 or two things I was being picky on, 00:50:05.867 --> 00:50:06.588 maybe. 00:50:07.610 --> 00:50:09.833 But I think for the most part, 00:50:09.853 --> 00:50:10.454 it was pretty good. 00:50:12.103 --> 00:50:16.103 I think we're sticking to like the like 00:50:16.164 --> 00:50:18.465 the script itself is not particularly 00:50:18.525 --> 00:50:20.746 changing all that much in the process. 00:50:20.806 --> 00:50:22.726 But I do get some artistic direction from 00:50:22.905 --> 00:50:23.246 Duke. 00:50:25.027 --> 00:50:26.827 So which is a good segue, 00:50:26.847 --> 00:50:28.208 because that was my next question for you, 00:50:28.228 --> 00:50:28.467 Mids, 00:50:28.487 --> 00:50:31.088 is like how much freedom did were you 00:50:31.148 --> 00:50:33.869 allowed when interpreting this script? 00:50:34.907 --> 00:50:40.349 Ooh, so my answer is a satisfying amount. 00:50:42.630 --> 00:50:43.271 The script, 00:50:44.132 --> 00:50:46.432 it's got the instructions on the action 00:50:46.472 --> 00:50:48.014 and what the characters are thinking. 00:50:50.914 --> 00:50:52.335 So Duke's over here, like, 00:50:53.889 --> 00:50:56.052 you were talking about your script as if 00:50:56.092 --> 00:50:58.213 like it wasn't detailed enough some 00:50:58.373 --> 00:51:01.255 artists that's okay like i'll ask a 00:51:01.295 --> 00:51:03.856 clarifying question when i need to but um 00:51:04.617 --> 00:51:08.780 getting a blueprint for uh the building 00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:10.800 and then being told to go have fun 00:51:10.860 --> 00:51:13.722 is is a treat in my books yeah 00:51:13.882 --> 00:51:14.423 yeah 00:51:14.923 --> 00:51:16.585 and i've talked to artists where i went 00:51:16.644 --> 00:51:19.244 both ways some people want yeah every 00:51:19.304 --> 00:51:21.045 single detail on the page like where the 00:51:21.085 --> 00:51:22.786 hell's the sun in the sky so i 00:51:22.826 --> 00:51:25.686 know if you say they're facing this way 00:51:26.266 --> 00:51:27.987 i know where the sun is in conjunction 00:51:28.007 --> 00:51:29.628 to them so i know how the shadows 00:51:29.668 --> 00:51:32.648 fall on their bodies yeah and i know 00:51:32.668 --> 00:51:34.690 people who are the exact opposite who just 00:51:34.750 --> 00:51:37.630 go gonna have to read a freedom to 00:51:37.730 --> 00:51:39.130 interpret your script the way i want 00:51:39.726 --> 00:51:39.967 You know, 00:51:39.987 --> 00:51:42.731 and they just go ham after that, right? 00:51:43.614 --> 00:51:45.577 I feel like I'm definitely on that side 00:51:45.597 --> 00:51:47.840 of the spectrum because like page one is 00:51:47.860 --> 00:51:48.481 an example. 00:51:50.896 --> 00:51:55.400 When I was drawing the character's house 00:51:55.581 --> 00:51:56.581 where their family lives, 00:51:56.601 --> 00:51:59.945 I was just thinking about what the notes 00:51:59.985 --> 00:52:00.567 Duke gave me. 00:52:00.586 --> 00:52:02.168 It was like, he's a doomsday prepper. 00:52:02.188 --> 00:52:03.148 He's a little paranoid. 00:52:03.849 --> 00:52:04.170 Okay, 00:52:04.190 --> 00:52:05.811 so we're going to stock his house up 00:52:05.851 --> 00:52:08.135 with canned food and MREs and put a 00:52:08.494 --> 00:52:09.717 security lock on his window. 00:52:11.197 --> 00:52:15.121 and he seemed to like those pages dude 00:52:15.141 --> 00:52:16.742 that's kind of wild that we're talking 00:52:16.762 --> 00:52:19.003 about you know this type of story and 00:52:19.023 --> 00:52:21.726 the father is like a doomsday and then 00:52:21.766 --> 00:52:22.686 it happens to him 00:52:25.402 --> 00:52:26.963 Everybody laughs at the doomsday pepper 00:52:27.063 --> 00:52:29.043 until he's right. 00:52:29.784 --> 00:52:30.344 Exactly. 00:52:30.824 --> 00:52:31.945 To just jump on that, 00:52:31.965 --> 00:52:33.646 there was a guy in my old neighborhood 00:52:33.925 --> 00:52:36.967 and he like literally not maybe like six 00:52:37.007 --> 00:52:37.447 months ago. 00:52:37.867 --> 00:52:39.307 He just started filling. 00:52:39.847 --> 00:52:42.068 He had all these like gas cans and 00:52:42.088 --> 00:52:43.949 he just started filling all of them with 00:52:44.010 --> 00:52:44.449 gas. 00:52:44.650 --> 00:52:45.731 And then people were getting concerned 00:52:45.751 --> 00:52:47.072 because he just kept filling like it was 00:52:47.092 --> 00:52:47.791 like twenty cans. 00:52:47.992 --> 00:52:50.833 like canisters of gasoline like filled and 00:52:50.893 --> 00:52:52.893 wait they were they were just like they're 00:52:52.914 --> 00:52:53.934 like what are you going to do with 00:52:53.954 --> 00:52:56.635 that he's like i'm i'm storing it because 00:52:56.795 --> 00:53:00.237 like the gas is going to go and 00:53:00.277 --> 00:53:02.699 then it was like everyone's like oh that's 00:53:02.778 --> 00:53:05.400 a tuesday and then now we're like oh 00:53:05.420 --> 00:53:07.601 yeah it's like two dollars a liter of 00:53:07.782 --> 00:53:09.563 for gas and it's like yeah keep going 00:53:09.643 --> 00:53:09.742 up 00:53:10.402 --> 00:53:10.722 Meanwhile, 00:53:10.742 --> 00:53:12.224 this guy probably has a basement full of 00:53:12.284 --> 00:53:13.664 gasoline. 00:53:13.686 --> 00:53:15.045 I hope he doesn't have a basement of 00:53:15.106 --> 00:53:15.686 gasoline. 00:53:15.726 --> 00:53:17.887 And if he does, I hope it's ventilated, 00:53:17.927 --> 00:53:18.349 right? 00:53:18.369 --> 00:53:20.530 I hope so too. 00:53:20.630 --> 00:53:22.452 And hopefully he doesn't have natural gas 00:53:22.492 --> 00:53:23.251 in his house. 00:53:23.271 --> 00:53:25.594 That way when it kicks on to either 00:53:25.653 --> 00:53:28.735 warm his house or to turn on to 00:53:29.496 --> 00:53:30.836 warm his shower, 00:53:31.498 --> 00:53:32.577 because that's just like... 00:53:34.860 --> 00:53:37.121 boom and you got a crater in the 00:53:37.141 --> 00:53:39.202 middle of your subdivision there that's 00:53:39.222 --> 00:53:40.684 the problem with some doomsday preppers 00:53:40.983 --> 00:53:43.646 they prep too hard they over prep and 00:53:43.686 --> 00:53:47.967 then that backfires I find in a lot 00:53:47.987 --> 00:53:51.751 of these stories or someone just comes and 00:53:51.791 --> 00:53:53.572 takes all their shit they're like okay I 00:53:53.592 --> 00:53:55.373 know I watched you fill up your truck 00:53:55.393 --> 00:53:56.594 for like six months I'm going to come 00:53:56.614 --> 00:53:57.795 to your house and steal your gas right 00:53:57.815 --> 00:54:00.817 so can I ask a question oh go 00:54:00.836 --> 00:54:01.197 ahead 00:54:03.972 --> 00:54:07.114 yeah go for it do you do you 00:54:07.173 --> 00:54:09.195 consider yourselves preppers in these 00:54:09.255 --> 00:54:11.675 current times are you are you preparing 00:54:11.755 --> 00:54:14.157 out here for the tumultuous world 00:54:14.197 --> 00:54:17.577 situation like the closest that i would 00:54:17.617 --> 00:54:20.539 come to doing that is like buying like 00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.239 a solar power battery like just plugging 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.320 my phone and stuff um and maybe buying 00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:28.501 like a couple life straws that's like the 00:54:28.661 --> 00:54:30.442 furthest i would go for like doomsday 00:54:30.461 --> 00:54:31.943 prepping on my end at least 00:54:33.543 --> 00:54:34.284 Actually, no, that's a lie. 00:54:34.684 --> 00:54:35.206 I did, 00:54:35.666 --> 00:54:37.347 when I lived in the east end of 00:54:37.387 --> 00:54:37.768 Toronto, 00:54:37.807 --> 00:54:39.349 because it's not far from the nuclear 00:54:39.389 --> 00:54:43.452 power plant in Ajax, I did, 00:54:43.853 --> 00:54:45.856 during the pandemic, order key pills, 00:54:45.876 --> 00:54:47.536 because they'll send them to you for free 00:54:47.556 --> 00:54:49.199 if you mail or request them. 00:54:49.878 --> 00:54:51.440 So I have some key pills, 00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:53.101 because we had a random... 00:54:53.902 --> 00:54:56.063 During one of their guys their text 00:54:56.103 --> 00:54:57.724 testing the alarm system But one day they 00:54:57.744 --> 00:54:59.463 were just like it sent out a text 00:54:59.483 --> 00:55:02.005 being like the nuclear power plant is like 00:55:02.324 --> 00:55:04.945 like failed or something last year It was 00:55:05.226 --> 00:55:05.905 a couple years ago. 00:55:05.985 --> 00:55:06.846 It was like during the I think it 00:55:06.885 --> 00:55:07.065 was okay. 00:55:07.085 --> 00:55:10.166 I didn't care Those it was almost it 00:55:10.186 --> 00:55:11.467 was a similar things like what happened 00:55:11.527 --> 00:55:13.068 like Hawaii were like they were like the 00:55:13.108 --> 00:55:14.768 word their bombs are being dropped on us 00:55:14.827 --> 00:55:16.048 we're all gonna die and then like 00:55:16.088 --> 00:55:16.469 everyone's like 00:55:17.528 --> 00:55:19.070 so after that i was kind of like 00:55:19.269 --> 00:55:20.931 you know what i'll just get some key 00:55:20.971 --> 00:55:22.590 pills so i have them for my family 00:55:22.630 --> 00:55:24.731 just in case there's like ever any like 00:55:25.012 --> 00:55:28.213 radiation that's spilling out i'm i was 00:55:28.313 --> 00:55:30.414 outside of the blast radius or anything if 00:55:30.454 --> 00:55:32.556 anything did happen but you just want to 00:55:32.576 --> 00:55:34.416 have you know a little bit of extra 00:55:35.177 --> 00:55:37.018 precautions just in case but that's that's 00:55:37.038 --> 00:55:38.278 the most for me at least i don't 00:55:38.298 --> 00:55:39.619 know about you guys i mean i'll put 00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:41.760 it like this you you've you know daryl 00:55:41.780 --> 00:55:42.400 ditzen right 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:44.960 Are you Daryl Dixon? 00:55:45.681 --> 00:55:46.342 You got a crossbow? 00:55:47.902 --> 00:55:48.382 And a bow. 00:55:50.664 --> 00:55:51.626 And a small arsenal. 00:55:54.208 --> 00:55:58.911 I may be good to go. 00:55:59.773 --> 00:56:00.574 I grew up that way, 00:56:00.594 --> 00:56:03.596 so for me that's just normal stuff. 00:56:04.597 --> 00:56:04.958 I don't know. 00:56:06.237 --> 00:56:08.139 I think we're in Canada, 00:56:08.179 --> 00:56:10.280 so we don't have access to a lot 00:56:10.380 --> 00:56:12.342 of stuff. 00:56:12.422 --> 00:56:13.702 We can probably get a bow and arrow 00:56:13.722 --> 00:56:15.744 and stuff, or maybe pepper spray. 00:56:16.184 --> 00:56:17.083 And we can, I guess, 00:56:17.465 --> 00:56:18.824 if we have a gun license, 00:56:18.844 --> 00:56:21.246 we can get a couple different variations 00:56:21.266 --> 00:56:23.068 of guns, depending on the license. 00:56:23.148 --> 00:56:25.929 But for doomsday prepping, 00:56:25.949 --> 00:56:28.690 you've got to be in the country. 00:56:29.030 --> 00:56:30.831 Like the... 00:56:32.452 --> 00:56:34.594 like in alberta or like you know outside 00:56:34.634 --> 00:56:36.994 of like the toronto radius yeah up there 00:56:37.034 --> 00:56:40.896 where uh rock lesnar lives because i know 00:56:40.916 --> 00:56:43.297 he's a big hunter up there nice yeah 00:56:43.496 --> 00:56:50.059 yeah no let's just see i'm always ready 00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:54.221 you got a bazooka in there it's right 00:56:54.240 --> 00:56:55.842 there hey you gotta have one in each 00:56:55.902 --> 00:56:56.782 room man come on 00:56:57.452 --> 00:57:01.615 got the stash all right awesome so and 00:57:01.635 --> 00:57:03.777 mids this is for you man so was 00:57:03.797 --> 00:57:05.338 there anything that you kind of added 00:57:05.579 --> 00:57:07.960 visually that wasn't like originally 00:57:08.001 --> 00:57:10.744 written by duke like was there a scene 00:57:10.764 --> 00:57:13.065 where you're like you know what if i 00:57:13.306 --> 00:57:15.347 add this it's just gonna amplify this 00:57:15.387 --> 00:57:17.230 scene up hmm 00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:20.402 I think I tried to stay true to 00:57:20.442 --> 00:57:22.583 the script for what I've done so far. 00:57:25.105 --> 00:57:26.485 Nothing too crazy on my end. 00:57:26.606 --> 00:57:29.668 It's subtle details that when I got asked 00:57:29.688 --> 00:57:31.190 to draw urban environments, 00:57:31.869 --> 00:57:35.353 my mind just went to Toronto because it's 00:57:35.373 --> 00:57:36.632 the urban environment that I'm most 00:57:36.653 --> 00:57:37.353 familiar with. 00:57:38.835 --> 00:57:41.257 What do y'all call yourselves in Toronto? 00:57:41.318 --> 00:57:42.378 Are you Torotians? 00:57:43.139 --> 00:57:45.061 No, no, it's Torontonians. 00:57:45.722 --> 00:57:46.802 Torontonians? 00:57:47.123 --> 00:57:48.945 Yeah, yeah. 00:57:49.306 --> 00:57:50.786 I like my version better. 00:57:50.806 --> 00:57:51.708 What was yours? 00:57:51.728 --> 00:57:52.007 Torotians. 00:57:52.548 --> 00:57:53.510 It's like an alien. 00:57:55.251 --> 00:57:58.034 Exactly, exactly, exactly. 00:57:58.454 --> 00:57:59.215 I like Torontonians. 00:57:59.235 --> 00:58:00.697 I'm good with Torontonians. 00:58:03.085 --> 00:58:04.327 Trontonians and the Six. 00:58:04.507 --> 00:58:06.851 There's T-Dot. 00:58:06.871 --> 00:58:08.032 Different names for the Six. 00:58:09.693 --> 00:58:13.679 It's always wild because I know how Canada 00:58:13.820 --> 00:58:15.320 is laid out on the map. 00:58:16.376 --> 00:58:18.018 But unless I see the map and where 00:58:18.038 --> 00:58:18.818 the cities are, 00:58:18.858 --> 00:58:21.240 like my brain can't function to a point 00:58:21.260 --> 00:58:22.081 where I can go, oh, yeah, 00:58:22.121 --> 00:58:23.463 that's over there. 00:58:23.563 --> 00:58:24.724 Toronto's like right here. 00:58:24.764 --> 00:58:26.085 I have to see the map with all 00:58:26.125 --> 00:58:28.206 the cities and provinces laid out on it. 00:58:28.766 --> 00:58:29.788 Otherwise, I'm just like, 00:58:30.228 --> 00:58:31.528 I don't know where the hell anything y'all 00:58:31.548 --> 00:58:33.130 are talking about is. 00:58:33.811 --> 00:58:34.831 So for me, it's like... 00:58:35.751 --> 00:58:37.994 because it's like boom boom and then boom 00:58:38.074 --> 00:58:39.315 over here and then everything else in 00:58:39.355 --> 00:58:41.717 between it's just kind of like wild in 00:58:41.737 --> 00:58:44.318 my head well it's it's just wild in 00:58:44.378 --> 00:58:45.480 general because like everything's so 00:58:45.500 --> 00:58:47.641 spread out and like there's only so many 00:58:47.681 --> 00:58:49.902 places that are like habitable like in 00:58:49.943 --> 00:58:51.244 canada because it's just like you know 00:58:51.284 --> 00:58:54.025 marshes and prairies and like stuff like 00:58:54.045 --> 00:58:58.730 yeah yeah it's i only know where some 00:58:58.789 --> 00:59:00.451 states are so you're doing better than i 00:59:00.490 --> 00:59:03.072 am i think it's all right i live 00:59:03.112 --> 00:59:03.994 here i don't know i 00:59:05.744 --> 00:59:08.505 like I couldn't like I would do really 00:59:08.545 --> 00:59:10.567 good up until we got into the northeast 00:59:10.626 --> 00:59:12.728 and then I would just be like nobody 00:59:12.768 --> 00:59:16.250 cares that place has good crab that house 00:59:16.269 --> 00:59:18.590 place has good lobster outside of that I 00:59:18.630 --> 00:59:24.092 don't know you know but um so this 00:59:24.132 --> 00:59:25.313 is going to be kind of for both 00:59:25.353 --> 00:59:28.255 you as we start wrapping this up what 00:59:28.375 --> 00:59:31.815 makes aha different from other horror 00:59:31.936 --> 00:59:32.777 anthologies 00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:37.702 Y'all can just take turns answering 00:59:37.742 --> 00:59:38.443 however y'all want. 00:59:39.204 --> 00:59:40.304 You got one in the chamber, Duke? 00:59:40.826 --> 00:59:41.266 Sure, yeah. 00:59:41.365 --> 00:59:42.867 He's always got one in the chamber. 00:59:42.987 --> 00:59:43.307 I'm ready. 00:59:43.327 --> 00:59:47.913 You can't rock a pink suit and not 00:59:47.932 --> 00:59:48.974 have one in the chamber. 00:59:50.596 --> 00:59:51.416 Always got one ready. 00:59:53.177 --> 00:59:54.960 First of all, Chris and Chris are amazing. 00:59:56.282 --> 00:59:57.623 They're doing a great thing. 00:59:58.224 --> 00:59:58.864 Not a lot of people... 01:00:00.048 --> 01:00:00.869 go the other way and be like, 01:00:00.889 --> 01:00:01.329 you know what, 01:00:01.429 --> 01:00:03.791 we're just going to do an anthology and 01:00:03.831 --> 01:00:06.132 support all these indie artists that we 01:00:06.172 --> 01:00:07.653 think are awesome and cool. 01:00:07.673 --> 01:00:08.755 Not just indie artists, 01:00:08.775 --> 01:00:11.536 but new to the game indie artists. 01:00:11.918 --> 01:00:13.518 That was what I really liked about it. 01:00:14.409 --> 01:00:16.050 And as Canadians as well, 01:00:16.490 --> 01:00:19.894 it's sometimes difficult for us to, well, 01:00:20.014 --> 01:00:20.596 not difficult, 01:00:20.635 --> 01:00:23.619 but there's a lot of competition to get. 01:00:25.141 --> 01:00:28.083 What's up, dude? 01:00:28.304 --> 01:00:29.646 I love it. 01:00:29.666 --> 01:00:30.065 I love it. 01:00:30.085 --> 01:00:31.768 I'm not editing that for shit. 01:00:31.788 --> 01:00:33.110 That's just going to be there forever. 01:00:33.489 --> 01:00:35.192 that's my younger brother louis sorry to 01:00:35.231 --> 01:00:39.615 interrupt no worries um yeah i was i 01:00:39.695 --> 01:00:41.797 was just saying it there's a lot of 01:00:41.918 --> 01:00:44.240 it being able to do something uh that's 01:00:44.260 --> 01:00:46.302 going to be published in america is is 01:00:46.523 --> 01:00:48.505 cool especially for a new a new artist 01:00:48.545 --> 01:00:50.586 and writer and you know yeah for people 01:00:50.608 --> 01:00:52.389 that are in our position it's always great 01:00:52.409 --> 01:00:53.650 to try to get as many credits as 01:00:53.670 --> 01:00:56.273 we can because yeah a gives us you 01:00:56.293 --> 01:00:56.494 know 01:00:57.994 --> 01:00:58.534 experience. 01:00:58.554 --> 01:01:00.936 Toronto has a really nice comic book 01:01:00.956 --> 01:01:01.175 scene. 01:01:01.235 --> 01:01:03.478 It's a huge growing scene up there. 01:01:03.918 --> 01:01:04.697 It was already good, 01:01:04.737 --> 01:01:08.519 but it's continuously growing up there, 01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:12.242 especially in the indie sphere of things 01:01:12.402 --> 01:01:14.224 because there's so many great people up 01:01:14.244 --> 01:01:16.585 there right now working in comic books and 01:01:16.684 --> 01:01:17.786 doing comic books. 01:01:18.405 --> 01:01:20.266 I consider Toronto to be one of the 01:01:20.306 --> 01:01:23.108 hotbeds right now of indie comic books. 01:01:24.068 --> 01:01:25.469 it's just like one day being like i'm 01:01:25.510 --> 01:01:31.054 gonna do comics this is my thing and 01:01:31.074 --> 01:01:32.255 i one day being like i'm gonna do 01:01:32.275 --> 01:01:34.396 comics this is my thing and i one 01:01:34.416 --> 01:01:35.396 day being like i'm gonna do comics this 01:01:35.416 --> 01:01:37.099 is my thing and i want to like 01:01:37.398 --> 01:01:40.141 try and do stuff like you're want to 01:01:40.161 --> 01:01:41.702 like try and do stuff like you're want 01:01:41.722 --> 01:01:43.682 to like try and do stuff like you're 01:01:43.702 --> 01:01:45.364 gonna have so much like uphill gonna have 01:01:45.465 --> 01:01:46.925 so much like uphill 01:01:47.465 --> 01:01:48.186 like yeah battling to do to get seen 01:01:48.206 --> 01:01:48.905 and like yeah battling to do to get 01:01:48.925 --> 01:01:49.646 seen and like yeah battling to do to 01:01:49.666 --> 01:01:50.367 get seen and trying to get stuff so 01:01:50.387 --> 01:01:51.146 trying to get stuff so trying to get 01:01:51.166 --> 01:01:51.927 stuff so you know it's it's it's great 01:01:51.947 --> 01:01:52.728 when you know it's it's it's great when 01:01:52.748 --> 01:01:53.568 you know it's it's it's great when people 01:01:53.588 --> 01:01:54.347 want to help you out and bring people 01:01:54.367 --> 01:01:55.148 want to help you out and bring people 01:01:55.168 --> 01:01:55.847 want to help you out and bring you 01:01:55.867 --> 01:01:56.509 along the way or give you an you 01:01:56.528 --> 01:01:57.188 along the way or give you an you 01:01:57.208 --> 01:01:58.009 along the way or give you an opportunity 01:01:58.028 --> 01:01:58.849 to you know show your work opportunity to 01:01:58.869 --> 01:01:59.710 you know show your work opportunity to you 01:01:59.730 --> 01:02:00.489 know show your work and get your work 01:02:00.510 --> 01:02:01.250 out there and chris and and get your 01:02:01.269 --> 01:02:01.989 work out there and chris and and get 01:02:02.010 --> 01:02:02.791 your work out there and chris and chris 01:02:02.811 --> 01:02:03.650 chk comics are doing that for us chris 01:02:03.670 --> 01:02:04.391 chk comics are doing that for us 01:02:04.751 --> 01:02:06.193 And the other amazing thing, too, is that, 01:02:06.213 --> 01:02:07.193 you know, it's a Kickstarter, 01:02:07.253 --> 01:02:11.179 so it benefits everyone on this because if 01:02:11.219 --> 01:02:12.960 it gets greenlit and it's very close to 01:02:13.001 --> 01:02:14.702 getting fully funded, you know, 01:02:14.722 --> 01:02:15.704 that's just another. 01:02:15.923 --> 01:02:16.925 As of this recording, 01:02:17.005 --> 01:02:18.507 I think it's at seventy five percent 01:02:18.547 --> 01:02:19.248 funded right now. 01:02:19.780 --> 01:02:20.961 yeah and it's only been like a week 01:02:21.501 --> 01:02:23.083 right i i think it's only been yeah 01:02:23.143 --> 01:02:25.125 a little over a week yeah which is 01:02:25.204 --> 01:02:27.686 wild awesome yeah i think we got like 01:02:27.726 --> 01:02:29.887 halfway funded like within the first day 01:02:29.927 --> 01:02:31.809 or two yeah within the first forty eight 01:02:31.829 --> 01:02:34.771 hours i think and that's the and this 01:02:34.811 --> 01:02:36.211 is what i like one of the trends 01:02:36.271 --> 01:02:38.333 is it it hits fast 01:02:39.289 --> 01:02:41.911 And then it may like slow down just 01:02:41.972 --> 01:02:43.432 a little bit and then it'll peak back 01:02:43.492 --> 01:02:43.994 up again. 01:02:44.554 --> 01:02:44.914 Yeah. 01:02:45.034 --> 01:02:46.717 And I'm hoping when it peaks this time, 01:02:46.777 --> 01:02:48.559 it just like continues to peak. 01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:50.039 And if I get my way, 01:02:50.179 --> 01:02:51.442 it will happen. 01:02:51.521 --> 01:02:51.802 Yeah. 01:02:52.262 --> 01:02:53.903 Well, and the thing too is like, um, 01:02:55.233 --> 01:02:56.574 we still have like twenty five more days 01:02:56.635 --> 01:02:58.255 left to go like i think today i 01:02:58.275 --> 01:02:59.697 think today is the last day or yesterday's 01:02:59.757 --> 01:03:02.119 last day to get in for the yesterday 01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.103 i think yeah yeah no i think that 01:03:05.123 --> 01:03:07.166 was only for forty eight hours oh okay 01:03:07.405 --> 01:03:10.469 okay yeah yeah it makes sense um but 01:03:10.489 --> 01:03:12.030 yeah but we still have like almost a 01:03:12.090 --> 01:03:14.393 month to go and like it's only going 01:03:14.413 --> 01:03:15.715 to be awesome from there so 01:03:17.641 --> 01:03:18.242 It's going to be dope. 01:03:18.382 --> 01:03:20.422 And everyone's stories look great. 01:03:20.523 --> 01:03:21.563 The covers look sick. 01:03:22.322 --> 01:03:23.423 Miguel's sticker looks great. 01:03:23.463 --> 01:03:23.824 Thanks. 01:03:24.523 --> 01:03:27.744 Yeah, it's going to be cool. 01:03:27.844 --> 01:03:28.985 I don't think I've seen all the stickers 01:03:29.005 --> 01:03:30.505 yet, but the covers are great. 01:03:31.326 --> 01:03:32.686 I've seen just about all of them. 01:03:32.846 --> 01:03:34.306 They all look really good. 01:03:36.012 --> 01:03:38.552 I purchased the one, I forget the name, 01:03:38.733 --> 01:03:40.233 so this is going to suck, 01:03:40.253 --> 01:03:42.753 but the one with the serpent on the 01:03:42.793 --> 01:03:43.193 cover. 01:03:43.273 --> 01:03:45.193 I really like that one. 01:03:45.813 --> 01:03:48.715 The painted cover? 01:03:48.735 --> 01:03:49.574 Yeah. 01:03:49.614 --> 01:03:50.876 I got all three covers. 01:03:51.235 --> 01:03:52.675 I did do all three covers. 01:03:54.096 --> 01:03:54.836 They were so cool. 01:03:54.856 --> 01:03:55.356 I was like, 01:03:55.396 --> 01:03:56.056 I got to get all three. 01:03:57.195 --> 01:03:58.635 so yeah they're all amazing they're all 01:03:58.655 --> 01:04:00.416 amazing the night one was cool too and 01:04:00.436 --> 01:04:02.097 the one at the back ripping open was 01:04:02.117 --> 01:04:03.757 amazing oh yeah that was that that one's 01:04:03.777 --> 01:04:06.318 my favorite hands down it's just so 01:04:06.358 --> 01:04:11.679 disgusting what's not to like but uh any 01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:15.519 thoughts on that that question mids oh uh 01:04:15.579 --> 01:04:17.201 yeah chris and chris that's like uh 01:04:18.632 --> 01:04:20.592 as a management team i've never heard a 01:04:20.612 --> 01:04:23.032 management team in any job say hey we're 01:04:23.072 --> 01:04:24.893 learning as we go yeah and that yeah 01:04:25.034 --> 01:04:27.135 it was it was great to hear yeah 01:04:27.155 --> 01:04:30.735 i was like oh okay dude dude he 01:04:30.755 --> 01:04:32.655 said that with so much pride when he 01:04:32.695 --> 01:04:35.376 said that on the podcast last week he's 01:04:35.396 --> 01:04:37.617 like he's like i was honest with everybody 01:04:37.637 --> 01:04:38.818 we're just going to learn and wing it 01:04:38.858 --> 01:04:40.539 as we go i was like hell yeah 01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:43.298 dude that's what's up that was appreciated 01:04:43.378 --> 01:04:45.280 that's certainly yeah because other 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:46.719 management teams i'm not going to name 01:04:46.739 --> 01:04:48.380 drop any jobs but 01:04:49.809 --> 01:04:50.610 Sometimes they're like, hey, 01:04:50.630 --> 01:04:51.311 we know everything. 01:04:52.172 --> 01:04:53.074 And they don't. 01:04:53.173 --> 01:04:54.576 Oh, yeah. 01:04:54.635 --> 01:04:55.356 No one ever does. 01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:57.619 Well, doing it the way they do it. 01:04:57.659 --> 01:04:59.121 That's one of those right now where I'm 01:04:59.141 --> 01:04:59.862 trying to get, like, 01:05:01.780 --> 01:05:04.081 like production teams to come on and 01:05:04.141 --> 01:05:06.083 companies who work in production, 01:05:06.744 --> 01:05:07.003 you know, 01:05:07.063 --> 01:05:09.126 like small indie presses and that kind of 01:05:09.166 --> 01:05:09.425 stuff. 01:05:09.445 --> 01:05:10.487 Like I want to talk to them. 01:05:10.726 --> 01:05:11.887 I want to, 01:05:11.987 --> 01:05:14.130 I really want to explore all sides of 01:05:14.170 --> 01:05:15.831 the indie comic book industry. 01:05:15.951 --> 01:05:18.552 And I've been inviting them and trying to 01:05:18.572 --> 01:05:20.313 make stuff work for them. 01:05:20.353 --> 01:05:20.875 So yeah, 01:05:22.322 --> 01:05:24.844 see i'm hoping soon i'll be able to 01:05:25.344 --> 01:05:27.806 get a couple on and just i want 01:05:27.847 --> 01:05:30.510 to be able to share all sides of 01:05:30.550 --> 01:05:32.510 this not just from the artist the color 01:05:32.570 --> 01:05:37.456 is the anchor the writer the but the 01:05:37.496 --> 01:05:39.677 guys who publish these books the guys who 01:05:39.737 --> 01:05:42.119 go out and find stories to publish for 01:05:42.179 --> 01:05:44.161 people and kind of like what do y'all 01:05:44.181 --> 01:05:46.023 look for as a indie publisher 01:05:47.259 --> 01:05:48.500 for these types of things, you know, 01:05:48.579 --> 01:05:50.961 cause it's honestly one of those questions 01:05:51.001 --> 01:05:52.402 where, I mean, 01:05:52.422 --> 01:05:55.704 I speak to tons of indie publishers or 01:05:55.844 --> 01:06:00.427 indie artists and writers every year and 01:06:00.527 --> 01:06:01.168 every month. 01:06:01.548 --> 01:06:02.670 So it's one of those where I'm like, 01:06:03.510 --> 01:06:04.510 what do y'all look for? 01:06:04.550 --> 01:06:06.572 That way that knowledge can be departed 01:06:06.632 --> 01:06:07.552 down to people, 01:06:07.853 --> 01:06:09.833 to other indie artists and writers and 01:06:09.853 --> 01:06:11.735 creators who watch the podcast and 01:06:12.882 --> 01:06:16.005 just a share of knowledge and the wealth 01:06:16.045 --> 01:06:20.230 of knowledge that is out there so yeah 01:06:20.250 --> 01:06:24.014 soon y'all stay tuned for that one but 01:06:24.074 --> 01:06:28.056 why is now the right time to support 01:06:28.097 --> 01:06:32.842 this kind of story well horror is 01:06:34.096 --> 01:06:35.856 horror is becoming more and more 01:06:36.536 --> 01:06:38.539 acceptable in the mainstream you know we 01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:40.699 have things like sinners that just won you 01:06:40.820 --> 01:06:42.820 know oscars and that movie was so good 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.001 though so so good oh yeah and he's 01:06:45.061 --> 01:06:46.824 rebooting uh the s files too so yeah 01:06:47.143 --> 01:06:49.925 i'm excited for that yeah it's gonna be 01:06:49.945 --> 01:06:52.786 dope it's like a pickup where the original 01:06:52.947 --> 01:06:55.068 s files ended so it's like going to 01:06:55.108 --> 01:06:57.590 be a whole new series but that's files 01:06:58.755 --> 01:07:01.177 man x files are wild i'm just gonna 01:07:01.197 --> 01:07:02.657 say dude i love this files i'll watch 01:07:02.677 --> 01:07:05.420 that from start to finish yeah it's a 01:07:05.460 --> 01:07:07.121 lot though if you're gonna do it it's 01:07:07.222 --> 01:07:09.023 so much to take in it's so much 01:07:09.063 --> 01:07:11.585 but it's so good so for when uh 01:07:11.985 --> 01:07:14.248 t-two comes in i didn't like that series 01:07:14.487 --> 01:07:16.728 when t-two came in i can't remember his 01:07:16.750 --> 01:07:19.271 name oh yeah yeah i know what you're 01:07:19.311 --> 01:07:21.713 talking about yeah yeah this character 01:07:21.753 --> 01:07:23.255 just didn't work for me so 01:07:24.619 --> 01:07:25.980 That was like season six. 01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:29.161 Late season five, season six. 01:07:29.181 --> 01:07:29.260 Yeah. 01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:33.061 Yeah, it's wild. 01:07:33.081 --> 01:07:33.422 But yeah, no, 01:07:33.481 --> 01:07:34.543 I just think right now is a great 01:07:34.583 --> 01:07:35.182 time for horror. 01:07:35.382 --> 01:07:37.083 I think right now it's a good time 01:07:37.103 --> 01:07:38.744 to get these types of stories out. 01:07:39.585 --> 01:07:40.565 People are hungry for it. 01:07:40.605 --> 01:07:41.264 People want it. 01:07:41.425 --> 01:07:42.385 People, you know... 01:07:43.570 --> 01:07:44.271 want to be scared. 01:07:44.291 --> 01:07:45.170 People want to, you know, 01:07:45.251 --> 01:07:48.594 have that comfort of other scary things 01:07:48.653 --> 01:07:49.934 happening that aren't just the things that 01:07:49.954 --> 01:07:50.875 are happening in the world. 01:07:50.896 --> 01:07:52.096 So, you know, I mean, 01:07:52.115 --> 01:07:52.916 when you think about it, 01:07:53.117 --> 01:07:54.438 you have atomic monster, 01:07:54.818 --> 01:07:57.039 a twenty four bloom house, 01:07:57.059 --> 01:07:59.081 they're streaming services dedicated 01:07:59.202 --> 01:08:01.782 straight to like horror movies, 01:08:01.864 --> 01:08:03.644 indie horror and that kind of stuff like 01:08:03.664 --> 01:08:04.045 shutter. 01:08:04.565 --> 01:08:06.967 So within the last couple of years or 01:08:07.748 --> 01:08:08.668 two to three years, 01:08:09.849 --> 01:08:12.311 That scene has boomed unlike we've ever 01:08:12.371 --> 01:08:14.512 seen it before where we may get a 01:08:14.572 --> 01:08:16.713 Freddy Krueger or a Jason or a Michael 01:08:16.734 --> 01:08:19.715 Myers once every ten, fifteen years. 01:08:21.917 --> 01:08:23.478 The new Hellraiser series I thought was 01:08:23.557 --> 01:08:24.097 brilliant. 01:08:24.358 --> 01:08:28.600 What is it? 01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:29.341 Return to Derry? 01:08:29.381 --> 01:08:29.721 Yeah. 01:08:30.895 --> 01:08:31.676 Welcome to Derry, 01:08:32.036 --> 01:08:32.895 which is going to be a lot of 01:08:32.975 --> 01:08:34.617 five part series where it goes back to 01:08:34.777 --> 01:08:38.378 each instance when it made his appearance 01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:40.019 or Pennywise made his appearance. 01:08:40.038 --> 01:08:40.920 Yeah. 01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:42.720 So I think that's just a really dope 01:08:42.740 --> 01:08:43.900 concept to explore. 01:08:44.701 --> 01:08:46.801 And each one kind of answers questions 01:08:46.841 --> 01:08:47.983 from the previous ones. 01:08:48.762 --> 01:08:48.802 So. 01:08:48.823 --> 01:08:48.903 Nice. 01:08:50.873 --> 01:08:52.234 yeah so i think yeah i think it's 01:08:52.255 --> 01:08:53.896 a good time for it and you know 01:08:53.997 --> 01:08:55.898 supporting indie comics supporting indie 01:08:55.917 --> 01:08:57.960 stories is always great too because you 01:08:57.979 --> 01:09:01.262 know with with this anthology anyone was 01:09:01.302 --> 01:09:03.283 allowed to do anything they wanted to it 01:09:03.304 --> 01:09:05.726 was just like just do what it go 01:09:05.747 --> 01:09:07.387 wild everything's cool that was that's a 01:09:07.408 --> 01:09:08.828 direct quote by the way from chris and 01:09:08.868 --> 01:09:12.752 chris go wild yeah yeah and good results 01:09:12.792 --> 01:09:14.654 come of it right so yeah no a 01:09:14.673 --> 01:09:16.695 hundred percent looks you'll you'll you'll 01:09:16.716 --> 01:09:18.056 get some awesome stories so 01:09:20.369 --> 01:09:22.530 what's your thoughts mids i am in 01:09:22.551 --> 01:09:25.091 agreement especially on that last part of 01:09:25.372 --> 01:09:29.132 creative freedom can create great work a 01:09:29.172 --> 01:09:31.134 hundred percent a hundred percent and 01:09:31.154 --> 01:09:34.574 that's why i love about indie comics yeah 01:09:35.996 --> 01:09:37.376 and you know you just put it out 01:09:37.416 --> 01:09:39.697 there and it's out there right and you 01:09:39.716 --> 01:09:39.817 know 01:09:40.845 --> 01:09:41.926 Unless you're working for a really big 01:09:41.966 --> 01:09:43.787 company that has standards and stuff like 01:09:43.806 --> 01:09:44.408 that that are like, 01:09:44.427 --> 01:09:45.708 you can't say a swear word, 01:09:45.729 --> 01:09:46.368 you can't do this. 01:09:46.868 --> 01:09:47.890 Editorial stuff. 01:09:49.712 --> 01:09:50.631 But if you're allowed to just do what 01:09:50.652 --> 01:09:51.653 you need to do, it's nice. 01:09:53.054 --> 01:09:54.895 Speak to the devil with your ears burning, 01:09:54.935 --> 01:09:55.216 man. 01:09:55.256 --> 01:09:56.155 Come on. 01:09:57.256 --> 01:09:58.778 Catch it right at the end, man. 01:09:58.797 --> 01:09:59.418 Come on. 01:10:02.643 --> 01:10:04.286 Oh, I love that guy. 01:10:04.345 --> 01:10:04.886 So great. 01:10:05.427 --> 01:10:07.051 So what kind of experience are readers 01:10:07.110 --> 01:10:09.215 getting when they pick up this anthology 01:10:09.335 --> 01:10:10.837 or when they go to Kickstarter and support 01:10:10.877 --> 01:10:11.639 this anthology? 01:10:14.453 --> 01:10:15.774 I think they're going to get an amazing 01:10:15.814 --> 01:10:16.034 deal. 01:10:16.274 --> 01:10:17.615 I think they're going to get an amazing, 01:10:18.155 --> 01:10:20.118 uh, hell yeah. 01:10:20.658 --> 01:10:21.998 I think you're just going to get an 01:10:22.019 --> 01:10:23.479 amazing book at the end of the day. 01:10:23.659 --> 01:10:25.621 And, you know, like we discussed, 01:10:25.780 --> 01:10:29.143 seventy pages for, you know, with, 01:10:29.623 --> 01:10:32.005 I think it was eight different writers, 01:10:32.185 --> 01:10:34.247 eight different artists, you know, 01:10:34.506 --> 01:10:36.268 amazing different variant covers. 01:10:36.467 --> 01:10:37.368 You get the bonus, 01:10:37.509 --> 01:10:39.090 I think the add-on bonus if you wanted 01:10:39.170 --> 01:10:40.350 to get even more. 01:10:40.371 --> 01:10:41.610 I think there's nine, really, 01:10:41.650 --> 01:10:43.313 if you include the stuff with Roger in 01:10:43.353 --> 01:10:43.752 between. 01:10:44.153 --> 01:10:46.595 yeah yeah there's just so many stories and 01:10:46.635 --> 01:10:48.435 so many people working on this it's just 01:10:48.496 --> 01:10:51.018 a really cool uh collaboration of just 01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:55.180 people all over the world random people 01:10:55.761 --> 01:10:57.521 like i wouldn't have never met migs if 01:10:57.542 --> 01:10:59.423 it wasn't for this and yeah no and 01:10:59.564 --> 01:11:01.045 i'm getting to meet everybody which is 01:11:01.085 --> 01:11:04.207 great i'm pretty vibrant but like i would 01:11:04.327 --> 01:11:07.708 have remembered you don't forget the pink 01:11:07.729 --> 01:11:09.631 suit 01:11:11.572 --> 01:11:13.092 But no, it's really dope too. 01:11:13.393 --> 01:11:16.095 Like for me, like, and it was like, 01:11:16.475 --> 01:11:18.516 and we were talking before we went live, 01:11:18.556 --> 01:11:21.418 just how excited I was that when you 01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:22.658 shot me the email, like, hey, 01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:24.240 would I be interested in doing this? 01:11:24.961 --> 01:11:26.943 Like there was like zero hesitation. 01:11:27.002 --> 01:11:28.923 And I actually think I emailed you right 01:11:28.944 --> 01:11:29.144 away, 01:11:29.184 --> 01:11:31.145 which is like something I don't typically 01:11:31.206 --> 01:11:31.405 do. 01:11:32.006 --> 01:11:33.226 I normally wait to the end of my 01:11:33.287 --> 01:11:33.827 duty day. 01:11:34.847 --> 01:11:36.550 I get off work, I come home, 01:11:37.069 --> 01:11:39.511 and then I go into business mode. 01:11:39.731 --> 01:11:40.493 But I think on this one, 01:11:40.533 --> 01:11:42.253 I was just like, hey, yep, I'm in. 01:11:44.610 --> 01:11:45.771 And I thought it'd be cool because I 01:11:45.792 --> 01:11:47.672 know you like covering indie stuff and 01:11:48.693 --> 01:11:51.395 having all these different teams of people 01:11:51.414 --> 01:11:51.935 coming together. 01:11:52.435 --> 01:11:52.695 For me, 01:11:52.756 --> 01:11:54.636 it's like a dream come true because it's 01:11:54.657 --> 01:11:56.837 not often you get to speak to both 01:11:57.578 --> 01:12:00.921 the writer and the artist and also the 01:12:00.961 --> 01:12:04.882 guys who are producing the book are also 01:12:04.943 --> 01:12:07.784 writing and drawing for the book as well. 01:12:08.685 --> 01:12:09.886 It doesn't happen often. 01:12:10.405 --> 01:12:12.587 So for me, it was really cool to... 01:12:14.738 --> 01:12:16.637 be able to bring all that together and 01:12:16.677 --> 01:12:18.838 like this really cool seven part mini 01:12:18.859 --> 01:12:20.538 series that I'm doing with this. 01:12:21.378 --> 01:12:24.060 So for me, it was just like, 01:12:24.500 --> 01:12:26.960 like no brainer, you know, and it's hard. 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:28.560 I'm a huge fan of horror. 01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:29.680 I mean, that's no secret. 01:12:30.240 --> 01:12:32.301 So for me, it was like easy, like, 01:12:32.341 --> 01:12:33.020 yep, let's do it. 01:12:34.381 --> 01:12:34.962 So. 01:12:35.902 --> 01:12:36.662 Yeah. 01:12:37.101 --> 01:12:38.702 Well, thank you for having us. 01:12:38.761 --> 01:12:39.783 No, a hundred percent. 01:12:39.802 --> 01:12:41.603 A hundred percent, dude. 01:12:42.725 --> 01:12:44.206 But yeah, I definitely recommend it, 01:12:44.365 --> 01:12:44.966 picking it up. 01:12:46.667 --> 01:12:48.408 Hell yeah. 01:12:48.429 --> 01:12:48.548 Yeah, 01:12:48.569 --> 01:12:49.448 you need to send me one of those 01:12:49.590 --> 01:12:50.449 AHA hats, bro. 01:12:51.390 --> 01:12:53.011 You're holding out on me with that AHA 01:12:53.072 --> 01:12:56.434 hat. 01:12:56.474 --> 01:12:57.954 The whole time he's in the camera like... 01:12:59.036 --> 01:13:01.417 like doing this wait are you just rubbing 01:13:01.436 --> 01:13:02.518 it in that you got a really cool 01:13:02.557 --> 01:13:04.198 aha hat and i don't i'm like i 01:13:04.217 --> 01:13:06.319 see how you're gonna do me he's flexing 01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:08.699 on you exactly it was like a strong 01:13:08.739 --> 01:13:11.381 flex too ah it's a one-on-one i see 01:13:11.400 --> 01:13:15.082 nice okay that's cool 01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:17.520 i like it though this is a really 01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:20.082 dope hat but let's laugh let's let's bring 01:13:20.122 --> 01:13:22.145 it home fellas what we say let's bring 01:13:22.164 --> 01:13:25.167 it home yeah so for everybody at home 01:13:25.988 --> 01:13:28.810 mids tell everybody where they can find 01:13:28.871 --> 01:13:32.453 you sure i'm mostly on blue sky and 01:13:32.554 --> 01:13:37.478 instagram uh at migs underscore inc i'm 01:13:37.497 --> 01:13:40.640 also on webtoon which can be found via 01:13:41.001 --> 01:13:43.002 those accounts blue sky and instagram 01:13:43.970 --> 01:13:46.251 don't expect a webtoon update anytime soon 01:13:46.291 --> 01:13:48.112 i gotta lock in i got eight pages 01:13:48.131 --> 01:13:53.993 to do guys what about you duke you 01:13:54.012 --> 01:13:56.832 can find me uh on blue skies duke 01:13:56.853 --> 01:13:59.333 electric you can find me under nerd in 01:13:59.354 --> 01:14:01.073 the sky you can find me under greg 01:14:01.113 --> 01:14:05.574 comic official um yeah you can find me 01:14:05.875 --> 01:14:08.335 and migs at branford comic-con coming up 01:14:08.395 --> 01:14:10.756 soon um because we'll be there promoting 01:14:11.555 --> 01:14:13.856 this horror anthology and some of our work 01:14:14.256 --> 01:14:16.198 um outside of it and yeah it'll be 01:14:16.217 --> 01:14:18.840 a good time so definitely check us out 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:21.301 check everybody out check out the chk 01:14:21.341 --> 01:14:23.402 comics check out the kickstarter buy book 01:14:23.442 --> 01:14:25.382 on the kickstarter support the kickstarter 01:14:26.684 --> 01:14:29.204 uh support horror and indie comics and 01:14:29.284 --> 01:14:34.266 rock and roll you know and um yeah 01:14:34.346 --> 01:14:36.569 i like it and ms make sure i 01:14:36.588 --> 01:14:37.889 get your blue sky i didn't have your 01:14:37.908 --> 01:14:40.050 blue sky originally so when i when i 01:14:40.069 --> 01:14:41.030 built this uh 01:14:42.139 --> 01:14:43.099 StreamYard description. 01:14:43.139 --> 01:14:43.939 I didn't include that. 01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:44.680 So if you want to make sure I 01:14:44.699 --> 01:14:46.820 get that, I'll include that as well. 01:14:47.440 --> 01:14:47.740 Thanks. 01:14:47.900 --> 01:14:51.122 But horror doesn't always come from 01:14:51.202 --> 01:14:51.761 monsters. 01:14:52.502 --> 01:14:54.802 Sometimes it comes from the moment you 01:14:54.842 --> 01:14:57.923 realize the people you love aren't who 01:14:57.944 --> 01:14:59.104 they used to be. 01:14:59.645 --> 01:15:01.706 Tonight's story wasn't just about fear. 01:15:02.185 --> 01:15:05.027 It was about instinct, truth, 01:15:05.707 --> 01:15:07.447 and what happens when you uncover 01:15:07.507 --> 01:15:08.948 something you were never expecting. 01:15:09.454 --> 01:15:10.216 meant to see. 01:15:10.956 --> 01:15:13.257 Make sure you support Duke Electric, 01:15:13.858 --> 01:15:16.460 Miguel Santiago, follow the work, 01:15:16.619 --> 01:15:20.421 and experience AHA for yourself because 01:15:20.462 --> 01:15:21.443 stories like this, 01:15:21.542 --> 01:15:22.844 they just don't stay in your head. 01:15:23.623 --> 01:15:26.206 They make you question everything. 01:15:27.447 --> 01:15:28.328 Ladies and gentlemen, 01:15:28.688 --> 01:15:30.809 this has been the Chairman and the United 01:15:30.849 --> 01:15:33.490 States Department of Nerds and the Council 01:15:33.591 --> 01:15:36.332 of Nerds is adjourned. 01:15:38.274 --> 01:15:39.315 Y'all stay safe out there. 01:15:40.738 --> 01:15:41.820 And did I mention this has been the 01:15:41.900 --> 01:15:43.824 USDM podcast where any comments come to 01:15:43.864 --> 01:15:45.887 life? 01:15:46.009 --> 01:15:46.670 You did now. 01:15:46.689 --> 01:15:48.694 Make sure.