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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, Jeff, say, good morning.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jeff took a bite of a kitcat Kitcat, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, they're rolling in out.

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<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, Zachary starts the.

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<v Speaker 2>Rolling Thanks for that. Yeah, it was a good cat.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. Hey, my name is Chris, this is Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Bible Guys, and we're going to jump

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<v Speaker 1>right into it. Okay. So Desiree has given us a

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<v Speaker 1>brand new challenge that she's never done before. Yeah. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I kind of like it. And I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how it's going to go. It may be horrible,

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<v Speaker 1>it may be a miserable failure.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was struggling with this one a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I asked chat GPT to help me. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm expanding off of that idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, So Jeff, by the way, I saw this

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<v Speaker 1>no more than three minutes minute ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just typed in, Uh, give me a random

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<v Speaker 2>funny sentence to start a story.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. And so this this, this this segment is called

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<v Speaker 1>the no Context Challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I was in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, okay, explain the rules. Okay, Jeff, Sure is a

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<v Speaker 1>random sentence or event with absolutely no context, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Chris must create a story around it.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I was in trouble when I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>in a chicken coop wearing a tuxedo and clutching a

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<v Speaker 2>rubbered chicken like it was my lifeline.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me? That's my challenge. Say that again.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I was in trouble when I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>in a chicken in a chicken coop, wearing a tuxedo,

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<v Speaker 2>clutching a rubbered chicken like it was my lifeline. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a tough one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So so what's the backstory?

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<v Speaker 1>Because the backstory is is that that's actually that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a spy. A spy, Yeah, a spy.

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<v Speaker 2>You you were actually a spy because it's I woke.

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<v Speaker 1>Up okayologized, I missed the me. Okay. Yeah. So this

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<v Speaker 1>one time I got recruited by the government and they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted me to do a secret mission. And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand. Why are you grabbing me. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>an average Joe. And they said, well that's the point,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just in close proximity and we need somebody. And

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<v Speaker 1>we assessed the area, and what we assessed based on

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<v Speaker 1>our observation is you're the best looking, most talented, most

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<v Speaker 1>athletic looking person. And so they said, what we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do is we're going to give you this secret

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<v Speaker 1>medicine that's going to take over. So don't ey morey

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<v Speaker 1>about it, because this secret medicine is going to allow

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<v Speaker 1>you to behave like a spy. And so I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and and they said, okay, here's what you

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<v Speaker 1>got to do. And they told me that we have

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<v Speaker 1>to infiltrate this farm. And this farm was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>place where they were holding this secret meeting. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was so unbelievably you know, disguised, because who, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>who would have a secret meeting on a farm?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And so then I took this medicine and I

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<v Speaker 1>and I was coming from a ball, like a fancy

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<v Speaker 1>like a fancy ball. So I went ahead and followed

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<v Speaker 1>the group from the ball back to this farm. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was wearing a texedo. I took this medicine and

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<v Speaker 1>then the next day, all of a sudden, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>light out. I had no memory of what had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But all I know is I was in trouble because

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know, you know, if everybody was dead

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<v Speaker 1>or alive. But I was laying in this chicken coop

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<v Speaker 1>holding a rubber chicken. And then later on, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what they told me. They told me that I used

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<v Speaker 1>the rubber chicken to beat everybody up and subdue them. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was hoping that like the secret message or something

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<v Speaker 2>was in the rubber chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh were you? I was well, I was doing the

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<v Speaker 1>best I could.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you know? How did you know what it was?

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<v Speaker 2>You just woke up right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Yeah, So after all, that's what the story indicated.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes sense to me. So it's the it's the

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<v Speaker 2>handsome part and the talented got your recruited. That's really

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<v Speaker 2>something that was hard.

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<v Speaker 1>That is hard because you said, you said, I woke

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<v Speaker 1>up as if he had no memory, right of a

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<v Speaker 1>rubber chicken and a chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>Car clutch clutching rubber chickens.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's either two options. You're drunk well as as

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<v Speaker 1>you don't remember it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as evil farmers do after after a ball, they

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<v Speaker 2>go back to their farms. To plot some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>evil global takeover, believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, have you ever seen the movie Get Smart? Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Get Smart. I used to watch Get Smart the show, yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember episode yeah, but but you remember it

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<v Speaker 1>Gets Smart. They were at this ball at this mansion, right.

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<v Speaker 1>What they do is they leave there and they go

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<v Speaker 1>to this you know, random shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's it's the evil farmers

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<v Speaker 2>of the world. They're uniting, yes, to take over the

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<v Speaker 2>world or something. But they have a ball first. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they always have balls, so I can imagine you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why you were wearing the tuxedo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Jackie Chan and Jennifer love Hewett rivet riveting in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie called the Tuxedo. What did they do? They

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<v Speaker 1>went to a place where you had to go to

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<v Speaker 1>a dance where you know, where all the hob knobs,

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<v Speaker 1>all all the villains are. Right then, what does he do?

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<v Speaker 1>He goes to listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever noticed how many how many balls?

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<v Speaker 2>And and parties like that? The big dances and fancy

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<v Speaker 2>dresses that villains have.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, think about it, about this? Every mission impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's always some kind of big fancy ball. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was riveting, Chris, thank you. That was a

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<v Speaker 2>tough one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was tough.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a tough on every level.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if I would have had maybe perhaps minutes

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<v Speaker 1>to think about it, I could have told the story better.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just sort of rambling, right, But I liked it,

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<v Speaker 1>ok I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was riveted.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So, speaking of riveting stories, oh, in Second Samuel

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<v Speaker 2>or Second Chronicles, chapter sixteen, like it? I like it

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<v Speaker 2>is a riveting story about King Basha. Ooh, and Asa

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<v Speaker 2>invading ASA's territory. Ooh, remember we said it's thirty five

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<v Speaker 2>years no war, right, yes, well, all good things come

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<v Speaker 2>to pass.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, as to all bad things, all good things. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So in first our Second Chronicles, chapter sixteen, verse one,

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<v Speaker 2>it says, in the thirty sixth year of ASA's reign,

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<v Speaker 2>King Baasha of Israel invaded Judah and fortified Rama in

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<v Speaker 2>order to prevent anyone from entering or leaving King Ace's

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<v Speaker 2>territory in Judah. Asa responded by removing the silver and

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<v Speaker 2>gold from the treasuries of the Temple of the Lord

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<v Speaker 2>in the Royal Plat Palace, and he sent it to

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<v Speaker 2>along with this message, let there be a treaty between

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<v Speaker 2>you and me like the one between your father and

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<v Speaker 2>my father. See, I am sending you silver and gold.

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<v Speaker 2>Break your treaty with King Basha of Israel so that

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<v Speaker 2>he will leave me alone. Ben Haydad agreed to King

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<v Speaker 2>ASA's request and sent the commanders of his army to

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<v Speaker 2>in Naphthali. As soon as Basha of Israel heard what

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<v Speaker 2>stopped all work on it. Then King Asa called out

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<v Speaker 2>all the men of Juda to carry away the building

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<v Speaker 2>stones and timbers that Basha had been using to fortify Rama.

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<v Speaker 2>Asa used these materials to fortify the towns of Giba

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<v Speaker 2>and Mizba. At that time, Hanani the Seer came to

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<v Speaker 2>King Asa and told him, because you have put your

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<v Speaker 2>trust in the King of Arim instead of in the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord your God, you missed your chance to destroy the

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<v Speaker 2>army of the King of Aram. Don't you remember what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to the Ethiopians and Libyans and their vast army

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<v Speaker 2>with all of their chariots and chariot tears. At that time,

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<v Speaker 2>you relied on the Lord, and he had them over

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<v Speaker 2>to you. The eyes of the Lord searched the whole

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<v Speaker 2>earth in order to strengthen those whose hearts are fully

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<v Speaker 2>committed to him. What a fool you've been. From now on,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be at war. Asa became so angry with Hanani

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<v Speaker 2>for saying this that he threw him into prison, put

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<v Speaker 2>him in stocks. At that time, Asa also began to

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<v Speaker 2>oppress some of his people. There you go and Asa Asa, he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Solomon here a little bit right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he makes a mistake. He doesn't go, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>go worshiping other gods, gods. He just deviates from what

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<v Speaker 2>he always had done in the past, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>completely rely on God.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm wondering about why did he react to what's

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's name, Hana I Yeah, and Hanani Hanani? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Why did he react to him? But would he get angry?

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<v Speaker 1>Why did he throw him in the stocks?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because the phrase exists in English, don't kill the

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<v Speaker 2>messenger right, it's because we don't like bad news. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But like, okay, so for instance, Asa had heard

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<v Speaker 1>the prophet last chapter right as Ariah, son of obed

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<v Speaker 1>O dead. He was the one that said, you know, hey, listen, repent,

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<v Speaker 1>do all these things turn from these multiple gods? And

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<v Speaker 1>so and so what does he do? Sa gets totally

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<v Speaker 1>inspired from from Azariah. And now here we have Hanani

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<v Speaker 1>whatever his name is. He comes over and it says

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<v Speaker 1>he's a seer rich by the way, a seer. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could have been a prophet. They would call

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<v Speaker 2>prophet seers, would they Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, because I was wondering about that. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>either way, Hanani has he had this incredible message, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the message is, hey, you screwed up, and what

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<v Speaker 1>you should have done is trust to God. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a sermon in there talking about we should

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<v Speaker 1>allow people to challenge us in our lives. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know we should. We should allow people to come

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<v Speaker 1>up and and and and just say, hey, Chris, I've

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<v Speaker 1>noticed that you're behaving in a certain way, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what's true, and uh, you know, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>challenge you from either a mistake you've made or you

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<v Speaker 1>know you reacted poorly to this person. You need to apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever it is, somebody needs to call you out. And

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<v Speaker 1>if they're a trusted friend, you know this person is

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<v Speaker 1>a title of a seer and hopefully it's a prophet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they are, then Asa should have received the

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<v Speaker 1>news then, right, you should have allowed himself to be challenged.

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<v Speaker 2>So Asa, it's not wrong to work channels of diplomacy, correct, Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So he reaches out to the king who is in

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<v Speaker 2>and he reaches out to him and says, hey, break

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<v Speaker 2>off your treaty with Baasha and help me fighting. That's that,

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<v Speaker 2>in and of itself, good diplomacy from kings. Solomon had

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good thing. It's not a bad thing. Where

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<v Speaker 2>Asa gets off track is that is not how he

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<v Speaker 2>his people back to God. When they go to war

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<v Speaker 2>against the Ethiopians, when they go to war against the

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<v Speaker 2>what was the other group? This wasn't Algerians. There's another

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<v Speaker 2>group that he mentions there the Libyans, right, same thing, God,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have anywhere to turn, but yeah we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>so he had led the people we only win when

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<v Speaker 2>God's on our side. So this isn't so much like

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<v Speaker 2>was God. Yeah, and God promised. Because God didn't promise, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>And so you see, now there's kind of a spiritual

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<v Speaker 2>drift where I'm a pretty clever king. God, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>need your help on this one. I can handle it well.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's not overlook the fact that he removed the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord, right, the stuff he had dedicated to God.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's that's the real crime here, right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>use this as a bribe for the treaty, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, if you think about that, that's sort of blasphemous.

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<v Speaker 2>and they got then he used them to navigate his

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<v Speaker 2>right thing the wrong way. Yeah, that's right, that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Hey, by the way, since now that we've taught

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<v Speaker 1>and we were all serious, do you know where that

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<v Speaker 1>quote was from the Libyans? No, it's back to the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right. Do you remember?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they found me. I don't know how, but they

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<v Speaker 1>found me. Who found you?

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<v Speaker 2>That's right? So uh I forgot that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So so yeah, so Asa has blown it right

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<v Speaker 1>at the end there, And again he hasn't worshiped other gods, right,

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<v Speaker 1>just like Solomon has compromised. Uh. But yeah, at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, uh, you know, he goes ahead and he

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<v Speaker 1>does these things and then and then Hanani Hannah and

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<v Speaker 1>I whatever his name is, he says, you will always

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<v Speaker 1>from now on, you always be at war. This guy

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<v Speaker 1>has to be a prophet, right, because he's not just saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you behaved in this way, let me call you out.

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<v Speaker 1>He's actually saying, this is now what what God will decree? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>What a fool you have been? From now on, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>be at war. Right. So I'm gonna I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>on a limb here and say.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that the notes in Life Application Study Bible call

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<v Speaker 2>him a prophet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there you go, there you go. Yeah. So Asa

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<v Speaker 1>is still somebody to be revered and admired. Still, he

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<v Speaker 1>is still an unsung hero of the Old Testament. He

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a note, you know, Life Application Study Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a whole thing that describes, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the character of who Asa is. And it says here

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<v Speaker 2>along lines of what we were talking about a minute ago.

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<v Speaker 2>God does not condone the idea that the end justifies

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<v Speaker 2>the means, Right, he is just imperfect in all his ways.

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<v Speaker 2>People on the other hand, are far from perfect. That

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<v Speaker 2>a bond can exist between a loving and merciful Creator

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<v Speaker 2>and his rebellious creation is a great miracle as creation.

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<v Speaker 2>It is as great a miracle as creation itself. As

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<v Speaker 2>a king, Asa came very close to being good. He

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<v Speaker 2>traveled a long way with God before getting off track.

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<v Speaker 2>His sin was not so much deliberate disobedience, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you said. His sin was not so much deliberate disobedience

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<v Speaker 2>as choosing the way, the easy way, rather than the

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<v Speaker 2>right way. That's what he did. He chose the easy

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<v Speaker 2>odds seemed impossible. In the battle with the Ethiopians, Asa

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<v Speaker 2>recognized his need to depend on God. Following that victory,

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<v Speaker 2>and people to many years of right living. But A

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<v Speaker 2>had to face a tougher test, years of animasi between

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<v Speaker 2>Asa and Israel's king Basha took an ugly turn. This

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<v Speaker 2>lasted a long time where Basha, even though inside of

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<v Speaker 2>Judah there was peace, all the time, Basha was always

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<v Speaker 2>causing pressure and problems. Right he was a bad guy. Basha,

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<v Speaker 2>a king of the rival Northern kingdom was building a

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<v Speaker 2>ben Haydad of Aram to break his alliance with King Basha.

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<v Speaker 2>The plan worked brilliantly, but it wasn't God's way. When

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<v Speaker 2>God's prophet Hannah and I or Hanani or whatever confronted Asa,

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<v Speaker 2>he flew into a rage, jailed Hanani, and took out

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<v Speaker 2>his anger on his people. Asa rejected correction and refused

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<v Speaker 2>to admit his error to God. His greatest failure was

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<v Speaker 2>missing what God could have done with his life if

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<v Speaker 2>he'd been willing to be humble. His pride ruined the

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<v Speaker 2>health of his reign. He stubbornly held on to his

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<v Speaker 2>failure until his death. Right. That's the issue. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>so much that he overtly sinned against God. It was

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<v Speaker 2>that he decided to do the easy thing rather than

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<v Speaker 2>the right thing. That first promise from God is if

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<v Speaker 2>you keep me first, I'll keep giving you victory and prosperity.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what he said. And then he doesn't. He goes

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<v Speaker 1>Wanting you to finish it. Because the application turns. It says,

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<v Speaker 1>does this attitude sound familiar? Can you identify justifying the

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<v Speaker 1>That the stubborn refusal to admit failure due to sin

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you skipped part of a sentence there.

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<v Speaker 2>up close, I can't see far away. Jeez at that

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<v Speaker 2>age aren't getting old? That's okay, it's the it's the old.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the old. Uh, it's our age that helps bring wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right wisdom. You know i'd mentioned I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was yesterday's podcast or maybe the days before.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember we talked about the priests. He says, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have real priests, right r And he and he says.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, you need, you need to have a real religion.

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<v Speaker 1>This was I'm really I'm really bringing something up because

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I wanted to say is I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>people who get ordained online. But when a church is

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<v Speaker 1>technically legally a church, but it's really not a church, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So for years and years and I think and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just randomly bringing this up because we haven't or two

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<v Speaker 1>so so for years and years. Uh, God gave the

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<v Speaker 1>the ability or the responsibility of the church to marry people, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you know, separations of the church and states.

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<v Speaker 1>So now it's both captains and judges, right, they could

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<v Speaker 1>marry people. But the church has always it's always been

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<v Speaker 1>on the church side of things. It's always been held like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a pastor will be the one to control.

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<v Speaker 2>You know who they married, Yeah, because a Christian is

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<v Speaker 2>asking for God's blessing on the marriage. Yes, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>coming into God's leaders and saying, hey, would you give

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<v Speaker 2>God's blessing too?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? And and uh and so consequently, the church would

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes say, hey, we're going to require marriage counseling. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to require this, We're gonna require this in order

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<v Speaker 1>to have God a part of your wedding. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, then then you've got to jump through the

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<v Speaker 1>hoops sometimes of of what the church decrease and then

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<v Speaker 1>and so I guess people didn't like that. They're like,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't it be great if you could have got a

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<v Speaker 1>part of your wedding and be married in a religious

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<v Speaker 1>fashion and yet not have to deal with the ridiculousness

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<v Speaker 1>of some churches. So here's what we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna go online. We're going to establish and create

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<v Speaker 1>to create a church, but they didn't really create a

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<v Speaker 1>of selling the rights to be an ordained minister. Because dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you're an ordained minister. Yeah, in order to be ordained,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you have to go through?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was ordained at the end of my Bible

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<v Speaker 2>college time, so I'd had to have graduated and then

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<v Speaker 2>we had to go through an ordination council where there

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<v Speaker 2>was the challenge of you know, theology and biblical literacy

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<v Speaker 2>and all those things. We had to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>defend our faith and defend our theological positions to a

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<v Speaker 2>board of other ordained, highly trained pastors, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>gave a group approval and then laid hands on us

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<v Speaker 1>And was that was that a private ceremony? Was that

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<v Speaker 1>public in front of people? That was public in front

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<v Speaker 1>of how many people? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>the others that were getting ordained. The the ordination was

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly. So here so here, my ordination was very

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<v Speaker 1>similar exactly what you just described in front of about

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred people and so and and it lasted an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and a half, right, and so you know you

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<v Speaker 1>you were just absolutely held accountable to receive ordination. So

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<v Speaker 1>therefore your name minister. So you have the right to

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<v Speaker 1>perform a marriage. Right. It's like it's like an honorary doctorate, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, you can be called doctor just because

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<v Speaker 1>you know when when you're a boem. Yeah, allowed people

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<v Speaker 1>to be, you know, ministers, but they really weren't ministers. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>The idea of that ordination thing isn't so much about

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<v Speaker 2>jumping through hoops as much as it is like the

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<v Speaker 2>Book of First Corinthians, chapter fourteen. It's in a passage.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you remember chapter eleven and twelve start talking

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<v Speaker 2>about spiritual gifts, then chapter thirteen is all about love.

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<v Speaker 2>God says, oh hey, wait man, let me pause while

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about spiritual because people want to fight about

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual gifts all the time. So hey, don't forget. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really all about love, and that's the most empowered, the

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<v Speaker 2>most powerful thing. But then in chapter fourteen he pivots

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<v Speaker 2>back to spiritual gifts again. He's talking specifically about tongues

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<v Speaker 2>and miracles and prophecies and things like that in the church,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's talking about being careful with those things because

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes lost people are in the service and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to confuse lost people right, just because you're indulging

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<v Speaker 2>in the joy of using your spiritual gifts. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there's a phrase there that says the prophets are subject

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<v Speaker 2>to the prophety. He's saying, you can control this. Some

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<v Speaker 2>people say, oh, all, with your spiritual gifts you can't

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<v Speaker 2>control or whatever, and Paul saying, no, you can. You

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<v Speaker 2>can control what you say and how you behave right,

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<v Speaker 2>And then it says the profits are subject to the prophets,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning those who have certain spiritual gifts are the ones

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<v Speaker 2>who acknowledge and ordain the others who are claiming they

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<v Speaker 2>have it right. And so that's the idea of ordination,

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<v Speaker 2>is those that have gone before us and have been

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<v Speaker 2>affirmed by the ones that were before them. Yes, these

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<v Speaker 2>people do have the call of God in their life

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<v Speaker 2>and they are capable, capable carriers of the knowledge and

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<v Speaker 2>the information and the spirit of God to lead the people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, that's just being subject to the ones before us,

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<v Speaker 2>the ones before them, and it's making sure that we

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<v Speaker 2>have a purity to the line of theology and teaching

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<v Speaker 2>and training. That's the idea behind it, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>anybody being able to go and fill out a form

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<v Speaker 2>online and get the legal right to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>do a wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the same ordained by quote unquote a church, right, Right, It's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a real ordination. It's just jumping through a hoop

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<v Speaker 2>so that you can be able to legally do a wedding. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the legality versus an ordination.

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<v Speaker 1>So when somebody comes up to me in the lobby

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<v Speaker 1>and they just don't understand any of that because they

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand the premise, and they're like, hey, I want online.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a to regained minister like you, I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but but anyway, yeah that listen, I'm going to bring

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<v Speaker 1>it around full circle. So you talked about the subjects

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<v Speaker 1>being sub you know, subject to profits, being subject to

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<v Speaker 1>other prophets. Uh. That's what Asa missed. He missed allowing

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<v Speaker 1>those who are in authority, in spiritual authority, uh to

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<v Speaker 1>give him accountability. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ifani comes in and goes, hey, dude, yep, I

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<v Speaker 2>got message from God, and he's like, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from God anymore, right, which is an astounding response.

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<v Speaker 1>Astounding and throws him in the stocks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there you go. It seemed like a random

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<v Speaker 1>thought that.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been and then he was so grumpy about it, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that he oppressed his people from that, he was a

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<v Speaker 2>good king, right his his kingdom was so good. People

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<v Speaker 2>were leaving Israel and coming down to Judah because God's

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<v Speaker 2>blessing was on them. Then he fades in his commitment

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<v Speaker 2>to God to the point where finally he doesn't seek

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<v Speaker 2>God's help. He goes and diplomatically tries to get help

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<v Speaker 2>from a king uses God's treasures to pay off this king.

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<v Speaker 2>Hanani confronts him on it, and he gets mad in

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<v Speaker 2>prisons Hanani and persecutes and oppresses his own people at

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<v Speaker 2>the end, and.

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<v Speaker 1>He's really mad in himself. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, you know it's amazing. The fact that you were

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<v Speaker 2>on fire for God a year ago or five years

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<v Speaker 2>of God does not carry through to today. Every day.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bible says his mercies are new every morning, but

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<v Speaker 2>that means my commitment to his mercies need to be

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<v Speaker 2>new every morning too.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to have this.

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<v Speaker 2>Ongoing commitment to a long term relationship, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>something that has to be cultivated. Just because you planted

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<v Speaker 2>seeds five years ago doesn't mean you're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>a harvest today, right. You have to cultivate that field,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to cultivate the relationship with God. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you see is he did early and he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>late in his life, and so shifts from being a

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<v Speaker 2>great king to an oppressive king.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's our time for today, so hopefully we will

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<v Speaker 1>see you tomorrow on the bibble gush