Unknown: My famous Garth Brooks story. I actually beat Garth
Brooks in a talent contest in Oklahoma City at a big
nightclub. This is, hey, this is groundbreaking news.
This whole, has this ever been story? Ever been told on a
podcast? I don't know. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a
premiere. I
don't know. I think you know. It's a shame Garth couldn't get
his career going after that, he was so decimated. But he walked,
I'll never forget he walked up to me. He was in school, I
believe it's still water, and he was Garth then. I mean, he's
fully the entertainer that he is now. And he rubs me on the head,
and he goes, I know if I get beat, it's gonna be by this punk
kid.
This is the rich Redmond show.
And he goes, he goes, roach, what are you playing? And out of
nowhere, I just said, fair, I feel like I should play, savor,
let's and he looked at me, and he goes, that's your voice for
the rest of the day. Amazing.
You should take, you should join, like an improv troupe you
sell.
Oh no, no, no.
John Malkovich, tone to your voice,
though, bitch. He loves to enunciate every syllable you
ever see. The guy who played, oh gosh, he's on Saturday Night
Live. And Bill Hader, Oh, I love him, great, yeah. And he does a
ton of impressions. One of he did an impression of John
Malkovich in front of him, and Malkovich is going, I don't
sound like that. And he's like, you sound exactly like, I think
I've seen that,
you know, you sound exactly does?
He does. He does the Chris, whatever, the guy that does the
the show like, you know, they just show the footage of some
guy butchered his whole family, and he's like, Well, what did
that feel? He almost seems joyous about
it, right? He's such a great character actor, that guy. He's
so funny. He does and his his breaks when he breaks. Yeah, is
hilarious. Oh, it's crazy. Californians, California
Forgetting Sarah Marshall, you know, all of those,
those killer movies, that the Apatow movies, but, but he
just when he breaks on Saturday night long. Were you dude in
here? Yeah,
I always wished that that Fallon wouldn't break so much.
I think, I think that's why he was on and I think that's why
we're Will Ferrell, every chance he had went after him, you know,
well, he tried to break him in the hot tub. Yes,
you ever watched a Lego Movie? No, you should really Yes, even
though it's, you think it's a kid's movie when you have Liam
Neeson playing the bad guy, and he's, he's
bipolar. Liam Neeson, Oh, dude,
taken seven. You've never seen it rich. The Lego movies. I
might do bad guys one and two, because Marc Maron plays
the snake. Well, it's like he they, they take little plays on
words, like every year of an exacto blade. Oh, yeah. So in
the actual movie, they call it, you are going to be victim of
the sword of exact zero, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, the
craggle. That's too smart for us, dude. No, it's very funny.
You need to watch it. That's very funny. Has a particular
Yes, sir
Jim. I mean, there's a there's a lot of stuff happening. And let
me tell you that, you know, this the streaming services, it's
getting racier and racier. I mean, I saw some stuff last
night on one of these shows. I was like, it's been
basically porn at this point. Wow. It says
skin max. What's what streaming services are you
cats on, like, just on Netflix. I mean,
there's only fans Disney plus,
well, Disney plus too. They got Hulu is a part of them now.
Well, this, this, this show is called the hunting wives. I
didn't quite finish it, but there were some scenes from the
second to last episode. I was like, whoa.
Really, they like skin to dude. Just, just
describe the scene, because I I saw, like a lot of women on
Tiktok did, like reaction videos like, Ooh, how I'm feeling
watching that scene from the hunting.
It's women on women, and it's
called the hunting wise, yeah.
Well, are they hunting each
other. You know what? I didn't watch the last episode, so I
don't want to ruin it for everyone, but you know, it is
worth your time. It's a good cast. Housekeeping, what do we
got here? Yeah, yeah, we got we're gonna get into it, but
we're off. We're off to the races. And I knew this would be
a great episode. Are we doing it already? We're all it started.
You never tell your guests when you're starting. But Jim, no
housekeeping, we are on a kick. Yesterday was really good. We
had our buddy, Wes little on who's, like, a really, you know,
bit, had a great New York career. He's in Nashville for
the last 20 years, doing really good. And you know, us drummers,
we get together, you know, because we always say we're
going to get together, but I force it. I'm like, Yeah, you're
going to drive to Spring Hill. Little and we're going to talk,
it's going to be public record for 90 minutes. You have to we
totally and then we even had Jeff. We had Jay Weinberg on
yesterday. He was the drummer from slipknot. Now he's with
suicidal tendencies. He sees Bruce Springsteen's drummer's
son, yeah, what? He lives here in Nashville. They all live here
now.
That's crazy. He played, he played giant stadium when he
turned 17.
Yeah, it was in 2008 whenever, if you do the math, because he's
34 now, he was filling in for his dad at Giants. His first gig
was subbing for his dad with Bruce Springsteen. That giant
stadium. No pressure, yeah, yeah.
Here I am nervous. He's 34 now, but he was like, 17 or
18 years he was 18 or 19 years
old. Here I am. Dude. Here I am shitting a brick at the city
winery before I play with the Huey. You
did great, Jim. Thank you. So who is our guest today? I knew
it'd be great because he does voices. He does impersonations.
He's a real ham. He's a real character. Hailing, he this is a
mouthful from Mangum, Oklahoma. You just say like Mangum.
Mangum. Hey, Michael mango, I just gotta think of King of the
Hill and calling Nashville home since 1989 that's 3536 years
he's a keyboardist. He's a composer. He's a producer. Nine
times out of 10, if I'm doing a recording session, he's playing
keyboards, and he's played with luminaries like Darius Rucker,
Tim McGraw, Tracy, Lawrence, Leanne Womack. And then you've
got the upstarts, these new guys, your Cole swindells, your
Warren ziters, your Gabby Barrett's, and then even your
CCM royalty, like Amy Grant. We're talking about our friend
Jeff roach. Hey everybody, man.
Oh, did you hear that? Got an audience
outside. Smattering of applause.
Totally brought to you by purified water.
I knew it would be a great because you are, you're, you
know. And the funny thing is, you said, I said, come five
minutes before the interview, which means 255 you were here at
255 on the diamond. I said, Do you make a habit of that? And
you're, you're always early, because to be on time is to be
early, yeah, especially in what we do, oh, because you got to be
set up ready to go.
Well, part of it is, I'm extremely type A and I want to
be there to be prepared. I want all my ancient geriatric crap to
work. Yeah? I want to make sure every you know, everything's
been tuned or whatever. And literally, I have, like, a 14
year old laptop that that's all I use it for right now, is for
sessions, and I got to make sure, is it going to
breathe? Did you have a backup? No. Okay, so somebody wants
Omnisphere, or any of those, like soft synth things, if it
goes down,
well, I don't have Omnisphere, but, or whatever, one of those,
you know, everybody asked me that, like, do you have this?
And do you have that? Man, you have this and that? I'm like,
No, but everybody else uses
it. I mean, it's working for you, yeah, the idea that
obviously you can do all the traditional piano stuff, you put
you on a real piano, you know, that on the second verse you're
gonna have to do the pig Robinson thing. I've seen you do
quasi, you know, New Age classical things. But then you
you jump on your soft synth, and you got the plug, you know, all
the sounds of the blips and the beeps. You're that guy too.
It's all about the blips of the beeps. Rich, yes, I started as a
drummer though.
Well, no, because I knew that, because you're, you're, you're
very knowledgeable about drums. Is one of your children play
drums. I love
the sound effects are fantastic. Thanks for that freaking whip
crack is awesome.
Oh, that's the, that's the good episode from laugh, yeah. Laugh
USA, my
grandmother, Mama, she had a little set of drums, like a
little three piece set of drums as a kid, set up in her living
room. I don't know where they came from, kicks, their symbol,
pretty much. There was one rack mount, Tom. Oh yeah, little
Chinese Tom, Tom, yeah, yeah. But they were old, they were
WFL, Oh, wow. And someone had had, like, as in, Ludwig, yeah.
William F Ludwig, like a student model, had one lug in the
middle, and the little long, kind of T rock, long turrets,
yeah. And I would say she had like, giant, like, tube socks
and crap under the head. So they just, you know, they didn't make
any sound at all. And as a kid, I remember she had Charlie pride
albums, and then she had a Hollies, like the Great, the
Holly's greatest hit. So like bus stop and long cool was it a
woman in a black dress? And I said, in there, you know, I
couldn't even touch the pedals, devil in a blue dress. No, no,
that's different song, Okay, gotcha,
except with a with a dress,
yeah, a long, cool woman in a black dress. Oh, that's right,
right, yeah, gotcha. And, but I played all that stuff, and then
one day I'll never forget this was in, this is in the 1970s for
all you youngsters. I was summertime. We had this really
awful Naugahyde, like, green couch in the den. Back then
people had dens,
yes, and it was olive, was very, uh, avocado green,
orange, Oh, yeah. We had all of that Tupperware, yeah. We had an
avocado green telephone hanging in a kitchen on the wall with
the Coily court. That I could reach the back gate with. If you
wanted privacy, you had to stretch it through that horrible
sliding door that everybody had off the back patio. So it was
all about dens and pit groups. People had pit groups, but,
yeah, she was on a phone, and I'm sitting on that couch
sweating because, you know that stuff doesn't breathe that
vinyl. And she's like, Jeffrey, you want to learn how to play
piano, sure. And took from a little lady, Miss Wendell. And
then Miss Wendell, uh, health, went south, and I drove to
Altus, which is real close to my hometown, 26 miles away. We have
to go to Altus to get anything really, yeah. And took from Miss
Hubbard, Juanita Hubbard, and she was hardcore, like a guild
style, like classical piano teacher, yep. And she wanted you
to read the notes. Oh, yeah. And I it's, it's so bad, man, I hate
to admit I can't read for crap. I still can't. You've
done great. I just, I
fake it. What are those little what's all those little squiggly
things? We don't
have to worry about it in Nashville, usually, unless
you're doing some sort of like a cue or for a film or
something. Yeah, I can, I mean, I can look at things and follow
a melody, and I can look at the chord symbols, you know, they'll
have the tabs for guitar. Oh, here comes the G minor nine,
whatever I get that, yeah, but it used to drive her crazy. It
would take me forever to learn stuff, but she had a great year.
I did, and I actually won the state Invitational piano contest
when I was 14 or 13 or 14. Never forget it. It was this song it
took me, like a year to learn, and my mom called it migraine,
because it was all dissonant. If it sounds right or sounds pretty
is wrong, right. It was by Alberto in Estera called you
remember to the and it has, like you would play six, four in your
right hand and 10 in your left hand. And it was just
polyrhythm, crazy. Yeah, really percussive. And by the end of
it, I'm just beating the living back crap out of the piano, and
it takes, probably takes 10 minutes to play it from memory.
That kind of stuff. Can share toe contests,
yes, well, it's good for discipline and time management
and all that stuff. I
wish though that someone would say, Hey, you want to learn some
you want to learn jazz. I don't have I can fake a few chords.
Yeah, I have no concept of what that is.
But you know all the extensions, the nines and the 13th you hear
them, I go, Oh, but it's putting them together in the standards,
and knowing the song book is, that's the thing. You know what
I mean. But that's okay, because, you know, unless you're
going to make that your focus, your career, you're like, I'm
moving to Europe, where they appreciate jazz. You're doing
fine. You're you're playing on records, records that people are
hearing in their car, Cambodia in in Publix
in the jungle. Yeah, they are in elevators.
You know what? I mean, many greatest elevator hits of all
time. That's right. So the funny thing was, though, my teacher,
we have recitals, of course, yeah. And after you played the
Bach partita in C minor or whatever, first with the second
cadenza at the end of these high brow things, she'd say, all
right, play
something you want to play.
Jeffrey, come on up and play some of that junk music. And I'd
get up and play boogie woogie or something and just rip
everything like Jerry Lee Lewis type stuff, nice. Oh yeah,
boogie woogie piano.
Oh yeah, because that stuff was easy in comparison to least.
You need to meet my brother. It's like, I think he had the
same piano teacher
he might have. Yeah, rest her soul. She's
so many of them are task masters now get
foundational, right? It's pouring the foundation and yeah,
and then you
got to know the rules so you can break them exactly. So did. But
did she ever get it? Was she ever made aware of your success
in the music
business? No, she died many, many years ago. Oh, yeah, it
was. But, you know, she used to get a kick out and make her mad
that I would figure out everything by ear. She'd lay her
arms on the piano, just go and I'd go over and find kind of the
range of the notes, and she would just make her crazy,
yeah, but your ears were probably more developed than
hers, because she had decades of reading the notes,
I know, but I wished, I still wish, to a degree, that I've
seen people just never seen music, set it on the stand. Go,
okay, we're in B flat, we're, you know, and then just sit down
and play it. It's like, man, that would be cool to do.
Unfortunately, most people that I know that do that play like
robots. Yeah. It's like, No, man, come on. I want to feel
it's
when you combine the two that you become kind of unstoppable.
But you're unstoppable and you and you play very percussively
and with great feel like a drummer.
Well, I'm always listening. It's funny, like guys that I end up
working a lot with, at the end of a phrase where I know a drum
fill is coming, it's shocking how many times I hit the exact
we just play together. So much. It's like, I know what that
drums that feels. Gonna be.
So you're in the Nashville recording studios for the last
30 something year, 35 years, 36 years. Obviously, the landscape
has changed. The technology has changed. The music has evolved.
Players have come and gone. Guys have retired. They moved on.
They should have they've died, you know. But so now, when
you're showing up to root set, am I? Am I right in saying that
every day you're you're running into a Jerry row or a miles
McPherson or who are the most common guys you work with all
the time? Drum wise, those
guys. Evan Hutchings, Oh, I see Wes occasionally. Who else am I
seeing? Chris
Kimmer. Chris Kimmer, yeah, like this place the brown owl, yeah,
Phil. Is it Lawson? Phil lost from Phil was his Instagram?
Not Philly young? Oh, he's, oh, he's crap. I just think, I
think it's Phil. Lawson, sorry. Phil Lawson, we're gonna check,
yeah, I think that's his name. Love that guy. Sorry. I don't
know your last name, Phil. We're always Hey, bud, yeah, you could
do that with the guy, away with it. Is it? Lawson, did you check
it out? Did you google eyes
him? Phil? Lawson,
good. What's up? Phil? Shout out to Phil.
But do you find yourself with some of the the the icons, the
eddies and the lonnies and the Gregs and the Chads.
Lonnie, still, I worked with Chad. Actually had a triple with
him last Monday, nice, and he's great. I joke with Chad because
he doesn't need toms. He just needs a kick, snare and a hat
and a couple of symbols he never fills on a tom. If it does, it
always catches me off guard. It's rare. Yeah, he'll wear a
snare out. But, yeah, yeah, the Greg Morrows love his feel sup
Greg, yeah, I see near occasionally, yeah, he brought a
very intense man. We
know I went over finally, see, I've been everybody is a threat,
and we got to get together with the I'm the guy that's like,
goes, we've been talking about this for five years. Is not
going to become six years.
And so you're so you've been here 35 years? Yeah, or 36 you
don't look old enough.
I know he's got this youthful later.
Is that working?
I don't know about your diet and exercise and you're a clean
living but I mean you, you've always you've always got a firm
handshake, and you're always laughing and you're always happy
to be in the room. There's this enthusiasm.
So how old are you? Yeah, I'll be 58 next month.
No way. Yeah. We're just, yeah, I just turned 55 I was waiting
for you to drive my golf cart. Oh, you got the golf cart. I
mean, I can good for
you. Did you buy it? Are you
saying at this point, I could move to a 55 and over community
where they give you the golf villages,
yes, comes with a free golf card and sexually transmitted
disease.
Make sure to bring your upside
down pineapple flags, no. Syphilis is on the rise. Old
folks. Everybody doing it, let them. That's what I said. If you
make it to 80, you can, you can eat all the whiskey and
chocolate you want. I got you want.
Let's just kind of pause here for a second, because I have a
little bit of we have to do a little bit of a plug, not only
for ourselves. Throw me that cap over there. I'm going to do
something. Geez, Jim, you're a taskmaster turning
into a full promo sexual today.
You know called, do you know Kevin Murphy? The
Kevin? He's, uh, John party's
live drummer. I think I've met him. I know John. I've worked
with John a couple, few times.
Anyways, when I say pause, I'm not really pausing. I'm just,
we're gonna make this part of the
show. Okay? We're gonna stick a pin in it. We're gonna stick, I
hate that, guys.
This doesn't sound very good. I don't I'm not getting anything
back.
It feels like I'm not using anything at all. What are you
talking
about? Check, check, check, oh, squirking thing on is that
better? Yeah, Helen, you're at an event that is always
feedback. Oh, it has to be feedback. Yeah. In the movies,
whenever there's a microphone, always feedback
exactly, and anytime someone's nature, there's a hawk you hear
that, or flipping hawk. What
about the car alarm that sounds like a chirp from the 90s? What
was the last time you ever heard of?
Oh, no, movies. My new my new thing I hate is every computer
in any sci fi
movie to make noise. Yes, this dream
is always it goes back to make sound alien.
Oh, you know what the funny thing is, on your keyboard, you
could probably make all those sounds, right? You know I could.
There's my career move, Jim, dude imaging work parts for
radio stations they do. Yeah, so getting back to what I was
saying before. Okay, Jim, we do have merch. Tons of March, yep,
the rich Redmond show.com, go to there. I just had lunch with
Jason Miller, who owns Christian Brothers automotive. I want to
give him a shout out.
Okay, yeah, because I'm always looking for a fair place to fix
my vehicle. That's not the dealership, where they're not
going to upsell me on a million other things. He.
He restores my faith in humanity. I like that gentleman.
You should really meet him. Grecian restaurant, who was on
my podcast this episode's out this week, got to give them a
shout out, and mainly because Jay was talking about his
affinity for diners, northeast diners. I love diners, and
they're very akin to a northeast diner.
The closest you get in Spring Hill, Tennessee, is the Grecian
restaurant, Yes, yep. And you got a really cool guest, because
it's a thick menu. You can get pizza, you can get pasta, you
can get a breakfast. You can get zero zeros. You can get American
cuisine, all the stuff,
Giro. Is that? How you say it 00, see, this is the benefit of
growing up in Mangum, Oklahoma. Manga. Man, I want one of them,
gyros right now. Yeah, yeah. Throw some that lamb on there
up in Danbury, Connecticut. We probably called him that too.
Yeah? We just like, No, it's heroes. No, it's gyros, dude.
Sorry, yeah.
Shout out to everyone that these local businesses in Spring Hill.
It's an amazing community. And for the folks that are
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anymore. Now it's clear bra Oh, is it a clear? It's clear. It's
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So now what brought you why Nashville in 1989
you know, that's a good question. Well, you
knew you wanted to get out of Oklahoma, right? Yeah.
And, you know, it's funny people that they they know me, but my,
my my rear end, my upbringing was very, very different than
kind of, my persona. We had a small farm, small farm for out
there was a is a quarter sections, 160 acres, my God,
under 60. We had about 80 head of cattle at most. So I've, I've
worked cattle with my dad back in the day, built more fence
than I ever branding. They usually put ear tags on them.
They still do, you know, do brand some. I wasn't part of the
branding. Now I have. We've done lots of things with the cows,
including the snip, snip. That was brutal. I've done that on
occasion. Oh, painful. I helped my dad pull a calf one time out
of a heifer, heifer, a heifer.
You wouldn't do that.
It's it was. It's a neat story. Dad is in like a suit. We get a
call that This heifer has got problems, and he's hanging his
jacket, like, over the barn door, or this door next to and
we have our all up in this, the lot kind of bunch of, how do I
call it? It's like steel fencing up around the barn, you know,
and she's in there, and I think the calf is breech or something,
and you have to reach in, pull it up. You reach in and attach a
steel cable, the kind you see on a truck. And first you have to
rearrange the calf and hook it around the hooves. And it's
those things you see. They're like, it's got a come along, a
great big version of that. And you're like, Are you kidding me?
So here comes the calf, and I. All of that gooey goodness that
comes with, yeah, with calf, little placenta, yeah, oh yeah,
it's, it's a good time. Nothing grosses you out after that. But
no, I've, you know, sewn wheat and hauled hay and trumped
cotton and done all that stuff, and it's so foreign to my life.
Now
you remember the workout place. It's now the Tesla dealership in
Franklin. It's it was called prairie land fitness. No, oh,
Prairie Life Fitness, yeah, okay. And it was a national
chain, and they advertised on the radio for a while, but for a
longest time, I was like, that's an interesting concept. Very
love. What is prairie Life Fitness? I'm like, what do you
do? We go up in there, I throw hay bales around and stuff like.
That's a great workout. Yeah?
Oh, you like moving tires and you swing the head sledge
hammers, all the Tim mccross stuff on the road.
That's not what it was. Well, it was just a regular
gym, yeah, just regular gym. Is it pretty weird name? I don't
know. You have to dress like a Mennonite when you're in sweat a
lot. That's the thing. Yeah, the dirtiest I ever got was an out.
And I love this memory we were, I think we're alfalfa. I'm
trying to remember what we were sowing in this field, this front
field, but we borrowed this piece of equipment. They call
it, I think they call it a drill. I don't know why they
call it a drill, but imagine a great big, wide tank and wheels
at the end. The tractor pulls it and out of the tank roughly
where each row of the field is, is kind of a funnel apparatus.
And it's really old. This thing looks like it should have been
in a in a museum. So most of the funnel apparatus, which was
metal originally, is all rusted away. And some guy had wired up
a bunch of old inner tubes and baling wire and all this stuff.
Well, all the bumping and all this, these, these these things
would come out, and seed would kind of get scattered. So my job
is to crawl around on the back of this thing and make sure all
these tubes stay in the funnel locations. So this is 115
degrees and dry and dirt coming off those tractor tires all day
long. So when I get home, my mom stops me on the porch, and she's
like, Nah, you're not coming in the house like that. Because it
was, I look like a dry lake bed, yeah? It was just, oh, it was
like an eighth of an inch thick. Oh, my God, it just brick. And
so she hit me with a hose first, yeah? And she's like, don't even
go upstairs. Just go get in that bathtub in there. And I left mud
in the bathtub, yeah, but when you're that dirty, when you get
real clean, you feel cleaner than you've ever felt.
Oh, there's nothing like a shower makes you a new man, even
after a lawn mowing.
Yeah, I like so to this day, I still like getting out on my
property and like cutting up trees and splitting. Oh,
a tree just fell on my property. Jim, yeah.
So what are you gonna do about it? I gotta call Caesars drop.
Oh my gosh. What do you
want me to do? You want me to do? Go out there.
What's the dirtiest you've ever gotten doing physical manual
labor? Come on, tell us a story.
When I first moved to Nashville, I had to I worked for manpower,
which is a temp agency, Oh, yeah. And I would take anything,
and they would send me out to like, construction sites, and
they'd be like, Hey, man, you know, you sweep, keep this
clean, run out, get us lunch or whatever. But you know, everyone
knows I have horrible like Claritin 24 hour
allergies, and I had the greatest place to live for
that. I had to unload a gigantic 18 wheeler semi full of
documents that we had to load in this place to burn, and there
were, like, 40 year old documents covered with inches of
dust. I'm just just covered with dust, sneezing. My eyes all red
and white. How about $8 an hour? Nice. How do you make a living
on $8 an hour? Guys? I mean, it's living, baby. I mean,
wow. You know those squares you see in the pavement before you
pull up to a stoplight? Yeah, they call those loops. They're
not actually pressure plates where, like most people think
they are, they're wires that are wrapped around the pavement, and
somebody has to cut those in. And I actually, when I worked as
an electrician, did that kind of work. We cut loops into the
pavement and intersections in Connecticut
Max. What what job have you not done? So far, I've just known
you for 20 minutes, and plumbing, you're like a polymath
over there. Man, nothing.
Plumbing is dirty. I don't want to get, you know, let me see. Do
you have all your digits? Because most plumbers,
I do have trade tattoos. I have a lot of scars on my hands.
Yeah, I call them
trade. Plumbers are always like missing fingers jacked up.
It's, it's, you know, you gotta have. You can't have soft hands,
but you're never more happy to see a trade guy than when you
need them. And they show up in a timely manner, and they know
their stuff, and they're nice, and they explain the situation,
and they get it done. Trades people
are gonna have the last laugh. Guys leave them with a check.
Yeah, the Hoffman brothers got a lot of my money this last year
because I bought, bought a new house in October. And I was just
like, Yeah, let's check the plumbing. Let's check the
electricity. Let's check this. Like, yeah, they basically were
parked in front of my house for
two weeks. So basically, that's your fault. Let's check this.
Let's check that. I didn't have to. But I was just like, This is
brand new. They put it in their CRM rich Redmond in Paris.
That's, he's lay down.
Lay down. You're a lay down.
Um, that means I'm an easy target. Yes. Oh yeah, they
love me. Saw some guy the other day. It was a blurb about a dude
that went to Walmart or whatever and bought a full size, like,
fake skeleton, yeah, because he was redoing his deck, yeah. And
when he took all the deck boards off in the ground, he kind of
half buried the skeleton. Oh, like the red door saloon, yeah.
And so he's gonna redo it. And years from now, when someone
redoes the deck, they're going to discover this moldy skeleton.
Amazing. They're gonna
think it's like a Nephilim or something like that. It's
amazing. I thought, What a great idea. So the reason why I was
telling the story about the loops was that that was my
dirtiest job, yeah, there's all the road dust. Yeah, got kicked
up and just all day long,
I helped a guy in a grain elevator one day. And you talk
about not being able to breathe, and it was so hot, it was the
middle of summer, and it was all the dust is blowing
around. Those things are dangerous. Oh yeah, you can get
trapped and die in those things. I
knew a guy, his arm got caught in an auger and it just chewed
it off, like, like, freaking chop me. Yeah, it's a big drill
bit and those things to just, yeah,
you're done farm life.
So that's your roots. But now, all these years later, decades
later, you're in an air conditioned studio. Every day,
endless piles of coffee. Usually someone's going to Jimmy John's
to get us lunch. It's
all thumbs up. Wait, where are you working?
When you do the sessions that I book you on, we've always got a
nice, catered lunch, you know, for that cat mark that, you
know, the California guy with the long blonde hair, he always
like, What a sweet guy pays us cash above scale. He goes, he
goes, Wait, what does this normally pay? And I tell him, he
goes, That's ridiculous, but he's got wads of hundreds, and
you're keep him coming. He's a great guy. And he's like, let's
get some lunch. And it's He's awesome. I wish everyone was
like that. I
know I had a guy pay me cash yesterday, and that just I never
see cash. I'm literally like, what is this green papery
substance?
Yes. Have you ever been real? Have you ever been denied of
paying by cash yet, no. Happened to me?
Someone said, No, we don't do cash. We don't take cash. Wow,
yeah, well, Southwest Airlines doesn't take cash anymore. If
you want a cocktail, you bit to have your sweep swipe. I always
thought that was illegal, though, like you have to accept
cash. Wow. Yeah, it was a bar downtown,
wow. Well, it just goes to show you. And remember, if you've
ever played the end, that little rock, rock and roll club across
from the exit in it's like a seats, maybe like 40 people
tops. It is a beer
having more rock and roll than 40 place 40 standal.
You know, if you got a new rock band in Nashville, you're
playing the end, that's your first spot.
It's also the place that you play in the end,
at the end, yeah, I'm just glad it's still there. Yeah,
someone's gonna, some developers gonna knock it down.
Yeah, it's gonna just fall into the anyways, you said to
yourself,
I'm getting out of Oklahoma. Oh,
yeah, sorry. Wow. Full Circle. Yeah. We went way off, way off.
Anyways, I went to, went to college in West Texas, and
anyways, at some point in Oklahoma, with all the classical
stuff, my dad printed up some little business cards back when
the kids had business, yeah, no. And it said, classical to
country. And he would promote me to play, like, banquets and all
this stuff. And so I would just play, you know, everybody had to
learn ice castles, or whatever themed ice castles, yeah, you
know, this kind of stuff. So I did all of that. And then I had
a relative that said, come on up to Oklahoma City. There's this
place called the Oklahoma Opry which is like a Grand Ole Opry
thing. And it was in an old theater, and it was like a Grand
Ole Opry thing. Had a band, a house band. And so I came out
and I played a version. I think it was Frankie and Johnny into
this. And so I was doing the boogie woogie thing. And then I
thought, I'm going to try singing. So then I did that, and
that launched. I was 14 years old, and every weekend was gone,
playing all over Oklahoma, all over Texas, great, my, my, my
famous Garth Brooks story. I actually beat Garth Brooks in a
talent contest in Oklahoma City at a big nightclub. This is,
hey, this is groundbreaking news.
This whole, has this ever been story? Ever been told on a
podcast? I don't know, ladies and gentlemen, this is a
premiere. I
don't know. I think, you know, it's a shame Garth couldn't get
his career going after that. He was so decimated. But he walked,
I'll never forget, he walked up to me. He was in school, I
believe it's Stillwater, and he was Garth then. I mean, he's
fully the entertainer that he is now. And he rubs me on the head,
and he goes, I know if I get beat, it's gonna be by this punk
kid. And it was at this nightclub, which, obviously I'm
underage, but it was, I think it was called Henson's after Henson
Cargill or something. It became Doc severinsens, and then became
something else, wow. But the guys that were in the house
band, most of them became George straits, main band for a long
time. Yeah, and that's where I learned to chart number charts.
Yeah, were they? Were they doing? Reading the numbers at
the Oklahoma Opry.
Yes, they did there too. So they may have learned it from some
Kath, you know, the Nashville Number System. So, but that
started a whole other thing. So I just, and that's how I ended
up going to college, because I got scholarships from places to
play and promote the school, and then going to school in Abilene,
Christian University in Abilene Texas,
Abilene Texas, Yeah, isn't that a heavy female
school? It was at the time, yes, yes, and yes,
it was in your favor. It was now, did you meet your I did. I
sure. Did you go that's been together a long time, 36 years.
Wow. Good for
you. About it, she's still, you know, she's still serving her
sentence, and
that's that celebration for Peter, BB and J, man, yeah,
what? What is the anniversary gift for 36 years? You know, the
first year, it's like string or something.
I think it's leave and give me a week in peace.
Leave me the hell alone. Yeah,
that's kind of the that's sort of the MO, no, she's she, I'm
married way up. And what's funny is, she's a total city girl.
She's from Dallas, yeah, and I don't when she met me, she was
like, Who is this, rube? You know, she was on a date, and I
was playing a gig on campus, and her dates, like, I want to meet
this guy. And she's like, really, I don't why this boogie
woogie guy? Yeah, why do you want to? She was totally not
interested. Well, how did this turn? I don't know. I was at the
I was poor on campus, and so I lived in, you know, campus
housing, and ate in the cafeteria and all that stuff. So
I was at our little post office, and I see these two girls, and
they were kind of snickering and looking at me. I'm like, what's
going on? And they went, we know who likes you. And, of course,
and I was just one of these people that was like, whoo,
what? Please. Yeah, the love of God, yeah. Like, someone does a
female actually, like a big bang theory cast me. Oh, yeah. It
was, I was pitiful, you know, still great, but, and so, and
she was big city girl. It was Texas. She had the giant blonde
hair with the thing, Dallas. No, she never did the fence, yeah,
that coral reef looking thing that
held back the sheep, yeah, you're
getting a package delivered. Looks like, but she, you know,
she did these. And everybody did them. I called them audio
scoops, where they would take the blonde hair to the side and,
like, how would she do it? I think you would hit it with some
hairspray and then hit with a whole a hairdryer real quick,
and it would freeze into this wall so that I make it sound so
great debutant Harris, yeah, and I swear all the girls had this,
and you could probably hear for miles. It was like a satellite
dish, the
modern day equivalent of lip filler.
Everyone's Yeah, but she's great. She's beautiful. And
yeah, she still tolerates me for some reason.
But how did it go from like, you know, this guy, I want to meet
this guy. I'm kind of a name. I don't know. Yeah, I really don't
know. Did he have any idea that, you know, eventually he's going
to be taking my girl, you know? I
think that she was that he was not an item with her at all. And
I'd never saw myself. I never had a real girlfriend. I was
always gone on weekends, and I looked like a weirdo. I was just
a scrawny kid, and so I thought there's no way this chick is
interested in me. Jeff, I never did the mullet, no no long hair.
I've always been a guy that whatever everybody else is
doing, I can't do that, right? So that's great. I'm like apple.
Think different. Yeah, it's not a noble thing. It's probably, I
couldn't pull it off if I wanted to, but I found out that she
liked man. I thought on, you know, on paper, we have
absolutely nothing in common, but it's weird, like when we've
tracked man, yeah, it could be Yeah, because where I'm cynical
and a smart alec and all those things, She's sensitive and
caring, and she all this kind of Yeah, so we just fit together
great. And she always, you know, find sees the great stuff in
people, and I'm always dubious, like they're up to something.
Yeah,
I saw that face when you saw me for the first time.
I always try to subscribe to, don't say anything about anyone
unless it's good. You know
what I mean? If you can't say something nice, say nothing.
Yes, that's good one. I don't subscribe to that. So, so
anyway, so you're all over the place. You got, you're getting
10,000 hours in in your teens, probably, yeah, but then this is
what I'm fishing for. Are you jumping in a van, playing in a
band? You're trying to get a record deal how? You know, but
in Nashville, I thought I was going to, that's all I'd done.
And, I mean, we'd had people come to campus, you know, big
acts and stuff like little Texas and all these people, and I
would be the opening act. It's awesome. So my goal was, I want
people to go, how boring was that opening I mean, how boring
was the main act? We'd have just crazy. Party, we'd play, you
know, party songs and stage diving and silly string and just
bananas, yeah? And then the act, the big act, would come on, and
they're kind
of like, oh yes, you know, where's the silly string? Yeah,
that's what we were. That's kind of what we hope for. But, you
know, and I was doing sort of my weird version, my music that I
started writing back then was like, if Jerry Lee Lewis and
Prince and the Red Hot Chili Peppers all got together, it's
fantastic. And stuff
is this, is this documented somewhere? Maybe audio cassette?
Nah, no, no,
not really. And the proof and the truth is, when I moved here,
I started, I worked in a clothing store for a while. Jana
worked at Dillards for a bit on the makeup counter. This is like
Green Hills Mall, yeah, before it was all connected, this is
back in the day, nice. And I thought, well, I want to, I want
to learn all this. So I went out on the road. Well, actually, I
met you. Marcus. Humming was one of my first contacts. And such
an
amazing guy, massive songwriter, for those who don't know, in
a freaking genius, just creative person and wonderful family. I
love Marcus, yeah. And he kind of, he kind of gave me a chance.
First, I played on some demos of his and played live with him for
a while, and met some other amazing musicians in the in the
birth of all of this, yeah. And I kind of figured out, as you
know, you dip your toe in the business part of it then, and
that's when I started to the seed was planted. Of I don't
want to have anything to do with that. And everybody thought I
would come out here and do bands and be an act and all that
stuff. And I'm a much more behind the scenes kind of
person. It's just not, I didn't, I wasn't interested in doing
that at all. So
bringing your strengths and musical abilities to bring a
thing together, to create a product for someone that
resonated with you. What was the first recording? Doing his
demos? Probably doing his but then, how did that thing start
to
he, you know, he got a record deal for not nearly long enough.
He's such an amazing he was more lonely writer. He was a great
writer, and he's a true artist in the sense that, you know, we
played, I went did a van tour with him, the van and trailer
thing with some amazing other players. And they put us, is his
booking agency, put us in some horrible, like, Honky Tonk
situations, which he is not. Yeah, the place that we played
that fit him was like the Birchmere in Boston. It's a
listening room, more blue British, yeah, which you hear
what he's trying to say and what he's doing. And it's, that's
where it's at. It's not, you know, Honky Tonk, but donkey
donk or whatever, and no line dancing, right? He's not that
guy. Nothing against that play Tulsa time. Yeah, it's just,
he's not that guy. And, but, yeah, that taught me a bunch.
And then that kind of ping pong, there was a group of people,
some people wanted to develop what I did, and it just never
really, I never had the real desire to take that any further.
And I fell into doing the session thing. Oh, I did go out
on the road. I did do that for about a little over a year with
McBride and the ride, yeah, the Wikipedia, yeah. And I still see
Terry occasionally. Terry McBride, he wears me out of
that. Dude
was Gary Gary Morrison, the band,
oh my gosh, we were roomies for a while. And you talk about the
odd couple,
yeah, that's crazy, yeah. And then Vince gills, drummer,
Billy, Billy Thomas. Billy Thomas, pillar of a guy. I
loved. All those guys. Had a lot of fun. I
keep telling them to come on the show. I see him all the time,
Billy. He's like, I'm so busy with Vince. I'm like, we'll make
it happen. Yeah? This, this is the thing is, I call in these
things. I make it happen. I bug people until there's
Yes, I'll do it. You've got some tenacity. Yeah, Mr. Redmond,
well, you know, it's like herding cats, but it is, you
know, it's a
I knew that when I booked you one time we were gonna have to
reschedule. We only rescheduled once because you're just so
busy. I mean, the fact that every time I end up on a
session, you're doing it, you know what? I mean, it's crazy.
Well, you're that means you're
doing a lot of that's very sweet. Yeah, I'm doing less than
I used to. Yeah, I'm feeling it begin to slow down a little bit.
Do you
feel like but now so? So if it slows down, it's never going to
slow down, and we're just but if it continues on this like path,
what are you going to do in these later? Is there a thing
that you want to do, like, compose your own music, write
for TV and film, get into another What's the thing
for your 60s? I'm thinking about goat yoga. No, yeah. What is
that all about? So annoying. Oh, terrible, terrible dad joke. I'm
really in the middle of that right now. Yeah, there you go.
He's a little late, but it's okay. Yeah, I'm literally in the
middle of all that right now. I'm kind of trying to figure out
I'm sort of redefining my life right now,
if it's a wave of magic wand, what would it be at the
moment? I love production. Well. I'm very much. Strangely, people
don't know this about me. Well, this
is another secret you're revealing on the rich Redmond
show. Yeah, you said you do some woohoo ghost production.
Yeah, I do some. I do a lot of pop my actually, my love is pop
stuff. Yeah, I know. I play piano and early and all that,
and there's guys in town that do it way better than me, but I
love synthesizers and programming and all that kind of
crazy stuff. I've always been a knob twiddler, ever since, when
I was doing the classical thing at a university close to my
hometown, they had a mini mogue in a closet, and I was like,
what is that? And they loaned me a pair of headphones, and they
had to peel me out of there day after day, because I just
was fascinated with it. Well, is that the one with the you're
plugging in? Oh, no, I've got one of those. That's a modular,
a
modular, whoa, that's at the house. And somebody used to come
over when I was riding a lot. They'd come over and they'd look
at it
in there. Oh, it looks like one of those, any acts, or EV acts,
which were the first computers, takes up in a giant room.
It's, well, it's not that big. It's pretty sizable for what it
is. And it's just, it's like Legos for sound. If I have time,
I get into sound design and I can, I can nerd out modular.
You, I'm sure had a DX seven I
did. And by the time I really learned to program it, which the
interface is one slider, you find the parameter, and you push
this button and you control it's it's a nightmare to program, but
they sold a lot. They did it's a really, really powerful
instrument. The interface is horrible, but by the time I
really got to where I could program great sounds on it, you
get laughed out of the studio. If you walked in with one,
they're kind of getting cool
again. They're coming back like corduroys. They are, yeah,
can't sneak up on people in cords.
What about the Oberheim OB X,
massive synth, massive I didn't own one. I've got kind of a
knockoff version of it now on a rack mount of it, ubX, it's
called, but
you know what that one is? Rich? Oh, yeah.
Did you? Did you have all your drum machines, your RX sevens
and your SR sixteens and your SR 18, and your 808, and your 909
so wish I had a couple of those. I love a physical device. I
mean, you could get all those things now in like an app for
$2.99 the same, not the same as playing, actually, like you
could play Pac Man on an iPhone. But there's not like getting
that wood paneled Atari with you get the this phallic,
yeah, Joy. Do I want it to be harder? Let me flick on
difficulty. Oh, my god, wow. But I mean, my brother had
actually Pac Man over. Oh, dang. I mean, I was a Pac Man. I
played it to the point where you go to the very end, if there is
an end of a game I got there
dang man, yeah, I could do that. Yeah, spend some time on that
machine. Dude,
how many levels of Pac Man? There was just so many. And then
I, then I had galaka, and then you had Centipede, and then you
had dig, dug, and then berserker defender,
Battle Zone. I love, I loved battle zone. I loved, how about
adventure? Tempest, venture. Tempest,
Pitfall was cool. You're jumping over the you land on the
crocodile's
heads. Yeah.
Tempest was that crazy one with that yellow thing that crawls
around the geometric shape, yeah. Oh,
it was. It was with the dial, all the orders I spent, oh,
going up to
Stop and Shop and playing Space Invaders,
Stop and Shop. Oh, my God, that's Connecticut. Dude,
totally.
We had the Wagga bag, yeah? Not in Mangan. We didn't have
anything in mango. You had
to drive to Altus.
Altus, yeah, Altos, yeah. My brother had a Juno 106.
That's a good one too. Yeah, that's the class of the 80s.
Yeah, good. That
was similar. That was a less expensive version of the obi
eight, I
believe. But, well, way less complicated than an OB eight,
yeah, because the OBX was the jump
keyboard, but the current gear, he shows up with it with, with
a, like, a synth that's like, maybe, like three, three
octaves, and you it's, and then you go into your MacBook,
well, what I show up with now is literally just a controller.
Yeah, it's a controller. It's an 88 key controller, and it's a
soft set, right? Yeah, a lot of it is, I still, if I if,
depending on 90% of the time around here, I don't need to
bring anything other than my laptop and that, because the
studio will have, usually have an organ, usually have a piano
or two, they might have a Rhodes or a whirly, and even if they
don't, I got all of that stuff covered. Anyways, yeah, even the
Oregon, which can be really rough, but I've figured out a
way to get and I can't even, I can't even begin to tell you how
many, how many freaking records my laptop, b3 has on that no one
could tell the difference. It's crazy. And it's, you know, it's
hard, because getting the Leslie writes the hard part, the
Doppler effect of the spinning, yeah, they Yeah, they Yeah,
yeah, that's the hardest bit, and it's coming from my laptop.
People cannot believe it's I'd prefer to play the real one,
obviously virtual instruments, and they've gotten good. Back
when they first started, they were horrible, but they've
really gotten good. The
last virtual thing to get better is, is electronic symbols. So a
symbol is so complex. It's such a crazy instrument. I mean, it's
in the Bible, you know, symbols, getting it to sound good off of
a pad with, you know, dynamic range, especially high hats.
It's still is the Achilles heel of
electronic percussion. If I'm programming drum stuff at the
house and I want it to have hi hat. I'll drag the real hi hat
over and play it. There's just so many subtleties
of the tip of the stick and the shank of the stick and opening
your foot pressure. And it's a gorgeous instrument. I mean, the
hi hat is actually defines, I think, a feel of a drummer more
than any part of the
kit. I wish. I think nerf should make hi hats, though, because it
seems to bleed into all the other drums.
Yeah, there's come up with, socially, this guy came up with
this thing. He sent me one. I haven't used it yet. It's called
the hi hat husher, and it wraps around that thing. Yeah, yeah.
So Chris McCarthy's got one, and nears got one, and I've got one
sitting at the house. I just need to break it
out. It looks like the arm out of a 70s like van, you know,
like a the barrel chairs that they would have. It looks like
that. But I probably need to buy some new hi hat symbols, because
the ones I have are a little too bright. They cut too much. I
want some dark.
Get some fifteens or 16. Everyone's went big, yeah, so
that because they it takes up less Sonic space and leaves
enough more space for the acoustics.
But, you know, you said hats, it's funny, 808 my, my favorite
drum scene of all time, not what the kids go hey, you got your
808 it doesn't work. It's not a bass instrument. It's, it's the
Roland TR, 808 which I still wish I had one. Call it a rhythm
composer, yeah. And that thing, there's a great documentary out
there about the 808 Yeah. It's fantastic about the beginnings.
And Roland had like eight employees. And back in the early
days, everybody had those organs where you hit, like, Foxtrot,
you know, Bossa and all that stuff. And so they were wanted
to make a rhythm machine. And they came out with the with an
808, and the, or maybe it was even before that. But the sound,
what reason? I'm sorry, blow
the documentary. I wrote that down. Yeah, Jim, we should look
it up and see if we
can find guy goes down there. They didn't have a lot of money.
They went down the street to this other big Japanese
manufacturer of electronics, and all of the there's a, I don't
know if it was a transistor or capacity, something that didn't
come up to spec. They threw it in a bin. It was faulty, and
Roland would buy those faulty transistors, or whatever it was
nice. Those are the things that made the symbol sound. So over
time, obviously, manufacturing and design got better. They
parted themselves out of existence, so that that little
high sizzle that's in an 808 symbol, that's a faulty
electronic
that's amazing to hear. Wow. And Roland did mighty fine. They
just acquired DW drums. Really, they are the parent company of
for DW drums. Isn't that incredible?
Wow, crazy. I bought my first synth, my own personal synth in
Japan. Yeah. I bought a Korg poly 61
that's all I could afford. Is it? When you toured Japan with
somebody?
No, I went on an exchange thing. I was going over there to in
college. Actually, this was, it was a junior in high school.
Wow. Yeah, it was really cool. I love those people. I
really want to get to Tokyo. I've been to the outskirts, like
small town Japan. But, you know, Tokyo, apparently, is a another
planet.
Oh, it's massive. It's so massive. But the people are
wonderful, yeah, they're respectful. And this high rise,
and it was called the Ginza, it's kind of like Madison Avenue
in Tokyo, gotcha. And they, this family I was staying with, took
me, and it was like eight floors of musical gear. What? So they
dropped me off, and, of course, everything is just stacked up,
and I came home with great use of space. Yeah, yeah. Very it's,
it's crazy. I came home with this weird little Drum Synth
that mounts on the rim of a drum and somehow triggers it had, I
don't think I ever got it to come on, right, or whatever I
had that. I got that poly 61 they were these people cracked
me up. We drive down the road and a car had passed, and it was
like, a Toyota Celica Supra, something like that. And then
they'd go, you like, car? You know, the two sons spoke a
little bit of English. And I'm like, Yeah, it's cool, you know,
did whip into a dealership, like I'm gonna buy a car? I had all
these giant piles of packets and in Japanese over I don't know
what they thought, you know, but, oh, my, wonderful,
wonderful, polite, just gracious people. I love them.
Yeah? Love I gotta get there, got it?
Yeah, you do. It's, it's amazing.
Never been to China,
nope, no, never been to China. Never been to the continent of
Africa. Traveled kind of everywhere else. But,
yeah, Africa is, I mean, this is,
you know, we're covering some topics today. That's the
motherland. I mean, dude, I mean, and we never. Get there,
no, but Egypt is in Yeah, yeah, that stuff in Africa. Oh, you've
been to Egypt? Yeah, been Egypt. Yeah, you know Nick, Nick Buda.
Everyone says Buddha is from South Africa.
Oh, yeah, you know the country, South Africa. Yeah, way to you
reminding me something? How do you count off the track? I'm
trying to remember, because every drummer has got a
different
count off. So I'll probably go one two, yeah,
very short percussive. So, so you know where the transients
are? Yeah,
yeah. So kind of like I used to watch engineers, when they punch
in and out, they all have a different technique. You've got
the ones where the button's hot. You've got the ones that are the
side. Swipers. Swipers. You've got the sneak up on the remote.
This is back when we were on tape machines. There's all those
different Hey. Drummers all have that. I noticed the other night
I was working Steve Brewster, I've known forever, will not say
the number one. It's always two. One is never a heavy guttural,
yeah. And you said Nick. His thing is, I think it's the
accent pops out on the number two. It's always one tool. It's
like a toll. It's a funny little two. Listen for it.
Oh yeah, because that's his, that's his South African. It
must be coming out. What are some other interesting
ones? Miles has a weird one. He seems like he's always, he goes
into, like a kid voice a lot when he's doing one what you
know, his voice is already high. Yes, so he does it sounds like a
little kid, like
miles could definitely do cartoon voiceover. Now, I can't
imagine you guys in a room together, because you just know,
if he or his dad, you have a freaking frack
thing that that's that, that energy. Well, Jerry, his dad,
I've known him forever, and Jerry's speaking voice is
everything's from, like, I don't know, 2k and above and so, and
he'll start this routine of, you know, I woke up with the blues
this morning, and he'll do this little blues lick in his voice.
And I, I had a broken rib one time, and I hired him on a
record, and I when, and someone said something that triggered
him doing one of his bits. I literally ran out of the room
because I knew I was gonna start laughing and I might black out
from pain. Oh my. But when he's when he's on, I'll be quiet. If
you want to see me really quiet, just have one of those guys.
I'll be quiet. It's just too much. It's too much the place
might, might burn down. Yeah, it's too much idiocy in one
space.
Yeah. No, I that's interesting. I go, I go with the short and my
band gets me to do the countdown, because they play
Playstation hockey on the bus and so and but they bet on it,
so they've got heads or tails, and they choose teams or No, I
know it is when they choose teams, it's the thing is
spinning. And then I go, one two, right? And they are ready.
They hit the thing. And so they go, no one does it like you. So
they get me out of my bunk. We're choosing teams, and I'll
go, one two, ready. And then they hit the thing, you know?
And it's like they play,
do you keep it in tempo, or do you throw them off?
Sometimes I'll throw them off, but they're waiting for that
last percussive
I never did the video game thing. I had an Atari as a kid.
But, you know, everybody's a gamer and stuff now have no
interest. I don't
get it, just too much now, with too many dead gun buttons, duck,
run, grab, shoot, punch. You know, we go to the map. We were
just firing
on your inventory. We had a stick and a button. That's all I
could take. That's literally all I could take. Well,
also, it got pretty scary. Well, I mean, this is going back 15
years, which is crazy to think. But you know that game Silent
Hill, yeah? Wait, really scary movie about that. Look,
yeah, they made a movie about the video game, but basically
like little damaged demon children with knives coming and
hacking away at your legs. Horror
movie game like, Resident Evil. Resident Evil. That was like a
movie. Why?
Yeah. Well, they made seven of them with the actress, the
model. What's her name? Mila JoJo bitch. Yeah, she's
wonderful. I will watch those movies over and over and over
there.
And that's darkness in our culture already. Let's just,
let's get the kiddies involved. Yeah,
let's turn the kids into zombies.
You're saying my kids shouldn't watch The Conjuring movies.
Oh, my God, Annabelle is the most terrifying I've ever seen.
Have you heard about what happened recently? No, because
they're taking Annabelle on tour.
The actual doll, the actual movie is based on, yes, wow.
And apparently, the guy who is like a ghost, supernatural
researcher of note from Connecticut, yeah, who, I guess
worked with, Lorraine Warren, had a tragic, like, a colossal
heart attack while on the tour.
Well, yeah, because, and I was like, watch this. Yeah, that
stuff's real. Speaking of which, all of your your website, your
wiki, your marketing materials, have a wiki. Well, it says,
Christ follower. It's Oh, big time so, but you're so wacky. I
would never know. Who knows we could be wacky. I know, but, but
sometimes when I just. When you lead with that, to me, it just
seems like your your button is going all the way your top
button is all the way up there.
So that's an even more so today, the last two years, that's that
is really my that is my biggest focus now. So
is it a thing where you do a little reading every day?
Definitely,
yeah, do a little reading. Do a lot of reading, do a lot of
praying, do a lot of thinking, do the
Bible study thing. Oh, big time. That's good. Yeah, men's group,
you do your
all of it. There. All of it. You know, it's funny too, because I
grew up, I grew up going to church, being the good kid my my
older brother, God bless him. I love my brother so much. But
his, his health is terrible, and when he was young, he did
everything to drive my parents crazy and partied and just in
that part of the world, everybody knows everybody's
business, and got in trouble and just tried and did everything.
And he's really paying a hefty price for it, but I saw the wake
of destruction that his lifestyle. You know,
we're talking like food, booze, women,
all of drugs, alcohol, party, yeah, all of it. He was married
at 18, at a kid, just so, so full of promise, and then just
wanted to be a dad and a grown up immediately. And I just
thought, not gonna do that. So I was Mr. T toddler, all that
stuff my whole life. I was the good kid. Yeah, that explained
why I didn't have a lot of girlfriends. The parents loved
me, yeah, the girls were not interested because I was a
goody, goody, you know.
But always, you were the guy they complained about not being
able to meet later on in life. How come I came in a nice guy,
yeah, you know, but then look at him.
But funny thing is, I'd gone to church my whole life, and Jesus
was always, kind of, to be honest, was always kind of a
concept, you know, we'd use the language of, you know, I have a
relationship with or whatever you kind of use that sort of
Christian ease. But in the last year and a half, it has gotten
real. It's gotten really real. It's really less. It's
completely up ended. And my wife and I, she's actually ahead on
the same kind of path as me, but she's, you know, she's home
more, and the kids are grown, and so she's in deeper than I
am, and I She's far more like I said. She's just softer and
accepts things more on face value. And I have to, I have to
examine it from every conceivable angle, because I'm
just naturally skeptical and all of that
interesting. I accept things at face value. I think I'm also a
kind of a pushover.
I am not. I am always the flow, blah, blah, blah.
Then just show me where the drums are, as long as I can play
the drum. Yeah, you know. But no, that's good self examination
and all that stuff is so it's just, it's gotten really
important in the last
couple it is it? I mean, I'm that's why I'm kind of trying to
figure out what I do now, because I've been feathering my
own nest for 35 years, 36 years, and I'm kind of like, what am I
actually here for? I know it sounds like a two thirds life
crisis, but it's it. The funny thing was about a year and a
half ago is when it really started kind of happening. I say
that this was a catalyst anything, uh, well, you know,
obviously 2020, was horrible for everybody, yeah, and it was a
record setting bad year for us. Of course, the covid thing
happened way. Our family dog had died. My we had lots of deaths
in the family. I found out my wife's grandmother, who had died
two years prior. We found out that year that she had actually
been killed by a serial killer. What? Yeah, I know everybody
goes what? This guy in Texas was made some news. He killed at
least 24 to 25 people, all retired, mostly women in like
nursing facilities. He would pretend to be a maintenance man,
oh my gosh. And then he'd go in and strangle him seal their
jewelry. And they finally, they finally caught him. He went to
prison, and he got killed in prison, so he's probably in a
toasty spot. Oh yeah. But we found all of that out. There was
a legal stuff involving my late mother in law. Yeah, jana's mom
died. It was a rough year. It was a lot, and that was kind of
like, you know, you get hit with all that stuff and, you know,
familial issues and with kids, and it's like, what, what am I
doing? You start really kind of examining, and out of the blue
God starts dropping what I call starts dropping weirdos in my
life. And I mean that in the in the sweetest of sense, because I
grew up in a very legalistic background. I was to check the
box. Got to get it right, kind of guy. And these are people
that have made a huge impact, because they don't live like
anybody that I know at all. Who are these people? They're like
modern day apostles, the kind of guys that literally, you if you
were with one of these guys. A typical scenario, and I've used
this before, is, hey, I got to stop in Walgreens. Okay? And you
go in and I'm looking for deodorant, and I can't find my
friend. Is a hypothetical, but this is exactly the thing that
happens. I can't find him. I look and he's got an employee in
the back holding crying. He's praying over them. Who does
this, this kind of stuff, and who, what? Huh? I had this sweet
Indian kid come to my house when I was doing music, one of my
other side hustles for faith. Hustles for Facebook, and he
would show up in a in an old car, and the next day, at the
time, I'd see him, he's in a different old, beat up car. What
happened to the last car? Oh, this family needed so I gave it
to him. Well, Whose car is this? Another guy just gave it to me.
I'm like, Where are you living? Oh, like, a yeah, they're just
giving cars and he literally, he moved here. God told him to move
here. He listened. He saved up all the money he could for like,
600 bucks and a suitcase, got to the airport, and then he's like,
now what? So he 100% faith, wow. Now he's married, he's got kids,
he's doing this mission work, and he would roll up one day he
was late. I was like, Dude, where what's, what's going on
your lace, and I'm sorry, in the mornings, I'll do Uber. And I
picked up a girl this morning at a liquor store. I said, Okay.
Said, yeah, she had all of this hard liquor. And he's like, you
gotta, you gotta put party tonight. She goes, No, I'm gonna
go home. Drink all this I can because I'm killing myself
today. And he drove her around for the next two and a half
hours and told her about Jesus and saves
her. Oh, she's, she said that for a reason. He is. And
that's when I realized guys like him, there are no coincidences.
Well, he's, he's obedient very much. So, you know, I think in
those situations, God gives you more opportunities to be
obedient. That's dude, Jim. That's what I'm talking about. I
want. I've had now as Mr. Skeptic, I've had a few episodes
of things that my rational reasoning brain cannot
comprehend, and so it is completely upset the apple cart
and my whole life. And whatever that drug is, I want it. I want
to be addicted to it. And that's that's I told a guy this
morning, had a meeting with a guy I really admire this
morning, and I said, Man, if it whatever it is now, if it
doesn't have life in it, I have no interest in it at all. And
thank God that you know. God has been he's blessed us
financially. I've been investing for a really long time, and so
he's he's just always kept the bills paid. I've never bounced a
check. And I know that he's, you know, he's given. He's always
come through on provision, so I don't even worry about any of
that stuff. It's kind of like what, you know, people say,
Well, what are you what are you trying to do? And I'm like, I'm
currently, I really don't know. All I know is I, I use the
analogy of, I want to be a glove, just an empty glove.
That's all I am. And I want him to fill that glove up and use it
for something he's doing, if it's music, great. If he says, I
want you to sell everything and move to Botswana or wherever and
dig wells I'm in. Yeah, I don't care what it is.
Well, it's interesting the year of this, at this point of
reinvention, and that you're you're open to that because you
have made See, our skill set is one of bringing, helping, to
bring other people's dreams to fruition
every day. I hope so
well we do now because, because I don't know this might, might
resonate with but, but I have, like, a purpose statement for my
life, and my purpose is to affect people in a positive way
and change their lives. To me, that's, I can do that with the
drumming. I could do that with music. I could do that through
teaching, through education. So, so that's my why. And I, I know
it works. You know what I mean? So I so that gives me, you know,
like a purpose, a blueprint, a laser focus for the next. I
don't know. I think I'm gonna, hope I get another 30 years. I
don't
know why you wouldn't. You know, because you're one of the most
positive people I have ever met. Oh, I like to hear that. I
appreciate that, man. I mean, I know lots of good drummers, but
you, you are a unique, very unique individual. I love your
positivity. Well, thanks, partner. I always admire that.
But yeah, he's God is doing weird, wacky, weird, wacky
stuff.
Yeah, you're at this interesting crossroads. It's a chapter
that's,
honestly, that's what gets me out of bed in the morning. Now,
is learning, because I figured out that what I thought I had a
lock on what the whole religion thing looked like, and it ain't
about any of it. Yeah, it's, it's just about its relationship
has nothing to do with the, really, the religiosity, which
is what was my whole, you know, the dogma, yeah, I'm having to
unlearn so many things, yeah. And it's, it's just, it's
amazing. It's,
I mean, in that situation, even with my kids growing up, they
went to, like, a Christian camp one summer. Yeah, and they're
like, Dad, we want to be baptized. And I was like, I
don't think you need to, because you don't know why you're doing
it. Yeah, I don't
know why. Yeah, I recently got baptized again. I was as a kid
about 11, because I thought, hey, it's something I need to
do. And I was terrified. That's what my friends are doing. Yeah?
Well, it went so much to that I've always been. Me, but it was
still like, this is the right thing to do. Mom and dad will
definitely be pleased. And I was terrified, right? And I did it
this year on Easter. Again, it's kind of like a re up. I wanted
to mark the day because I really understand it now. Yeah, where
do you go to church? Well, I've go to two right now, one on
Wednesdays and one on Sundays. We, I've been teaching the kids
at Fellowship Bible over on Concord road years and years.
And so we've been members there by the YMCA right there. No,
it's right upon the there's like three big there's a Brentwood
Baptist is up there. Oh yeah, ours looks like a horse barn.
There's a bunch of there. And then there's the another one,
anyways, try to Franklin Road and Concord road, right there.
Gotcha. And so then we'd finished, we'd go to, like,
early service. A lot of times. We'd teach the kids. This year
it was fifth grade. And I love all these kids. They're so
great. And then we would dash over to this little church that
don't even have a sign. And it's, it's a very much a It's
bananas. First time I went, I was like, I don't know about
these people, it was, there was a guy lying in the floor. There
was a woman in the
back tongue speaking in tongues, all this stuff.
And I'm like, what is happening, man? Because, you know, and but
what started all this to kind of give you some history. After the
crazy year, my wife is really getting involved. And we get
into a whole row one morning over the prophetic and I wasn't
hip to what even that was. And I'm like, is this some kind of,
like psychic ability stuff? And she's talking, so I'm arguing.
I'm like, I don't believe it. And she said, Well, there's a
church five minutes from here that has a psychic, oh, not
psychic, sorry, wow. Has a prophetic ministry. I'm like,
what time? So I was trying to shut her up. I went over there
to win an argument, yeah. And y'all, I sit down. I've never I
was dressed like I am now. I don't scream musician. And you
know, they said, You have a phone to record this with. I
thought, Okay, that's cool. She said, this may not mean anything
to me or whatever. It may not mean anything to you now, but
let's go ahead and record it. I thought, well, that's cool. And
she's prays for about 20 seconds, and then launches in,
and what she starts describing is stuff that I have dealt with
personally, like in my mind for 20 years. She's reading my mail,
and it's like two or three people, and they start talking.
It's always in sort of a parable way, but I knew exactly what
they were talking about. And I'm trying not to give them a tell,
like, Oh, this is a trick, you know. Needless to say, I was
fully freaked out, yeah? And that's when I knew, that's the
that was to kick the door open, because I thought, okay, there's
way more going on here than I
thought. A prophetic ministry, interesting,
yeah? And it's, all, you know, uplifting stuff. And there, I
know there's right now, there's people like, I don't believe any
of that garbage, because I was that guy. Yeah, I was totally
that guy. And for whatever reason, he knows how dubious I
am of all of that stuff. And that was the moment that it
started, the question, the big question mark popped up. And
from then, it has been story after story after story. Of just
weird. I feel like I'm living in an X Files episode, yeah, and
it's been awesome because God's got a funny sense of humor. And
now, when I tell people these things that are going on, like
some of my little stories, to anyone on past, I know they look
at me like, rose just lost its mind. He's losing
it. Do other people that you've known for 30 years see something
different in you?
You know, I don't know. I think some people are like, yeah, you
seem different, because I'm definitely a different person I
was a year ago. Wow. Oh, definitely,
yeah, man, holy cow. Well, I'm glad you're that's happening.
Oh, it's,
it's crazy. It's so much fun and so crazy. I still, I still have
my days, but yeah, then he'll do something and just blow my mind.
I feel like, yeah, I ever tell you the story about the
Salvation Army when I was working for mix 92 nine? No, so
I had it that we, at the time, I was working for a group of radio
stations here in town, and we did a lot of video, and I went
with Anna Marie Ritter over to the Salvation Army right before
Thanksgiving for the Angel Tree program, where all the people
basically submitted their stories and applications to be
recipients of gifts so they could give their kids Christmas
and stuff like that because they didn't have the money. And we
interviewed this one woman, and while I'm looking at her through
my viewfinder, I feel this like, I kid you not, like a weight on
my shoulders and and it's, I'm gonna get weepy talking about
this. It's okay, but
tell her I love her. And I'm like,
I'm looking around, going,
Okay, I don't know where that came from. You're supposed to
tell this person, yes, yeah, and I didn't. So we kept on bouncing
around to different people. And believe it or not, she kept on
popping up on my periphery every time, no matter I was focused on
a group of kids outside. And finally, after about three. Or
four instances of this. We're interviewing some people, and
there she is, right in my left periphery. And I every night the
weight got heavier and heavier and, like, I was literally,
like, hunching over just trying to keep myself upright. And
finally, I'm like, fine, right, right. Okay, you know I got it.
So I go up to this woman. I said, Hey, remember Me Before
You know I was she's like, Oh yeah, you want the camera and
everything. Said, yeah, I gotta tell you something. I don't
normally do this. This is just something. I feel like I need to
tell you this, but I feel like God needs to let you know that
you're loved and that he loves you, and she just Niagara Falls.
And as soon as I said it, I was like,
interesting. I kid you not, dude. So he's kind of, that's
how he happened. He's kind of whispering in your
ear. Okay, you're gonna think this is funny. That is what my
son does. Now it's all of this craziness has spilled over onto
him, but that is the exact thing I've been with him. So he hears
he gets this prompting, whatever it is he wait, is how you
described it. Yeah, I'll butcher this story. I'll gotta be quick.
My middle son is my outdoorsman. The kid loves if he's not
hunting, shooting something, fishing, he's just not happy.
And he and a friend who, all of his friends are great, but this
kid's non believer. But they they love to fish the caning.
They go trout fishing, good fishermen. And his buddies got a
boat, and they love and they go like every weekend, nearly So,
on one occasion, not too long ago, and I'm going to butcher
this story. And he's, he'll kill me. But anyway, they were coming
back, and they love to stop on the east side of town. Maybe
it's in Lebanon. There's a lot of burger out there. Oh, yeah.
And so they stopped on the way back. They go in to get their
hamburgers and fries and stuff. And they they were sitting
outside on the tables outside before it got too ridiculously
hot like it is now. And this hits him. And this happens. I've
been with him on occasion when it's this has happened, and I
can just tell he gets this. Gets this look like, oh, no, I've got
to do this. Yeah, it's this pressure. And he's like, it's so
uncomfortable for him. And of course, his buddy has no idea
what's happening. He goes, give me a second, and he's supposed
to go inside and talk to this guy that's inside. Whataburger.
Okay? So he walks in, this guy's there with his wife or
girlfriend or whatever, and he says, sir, I'm sorry. I don't
want to interrupt you here, but this is going to sound crazy,
but I feel like, Holy Spirit whatever is telling me that I
don't know if you just got a new job or whatever, but I'm
supposed to tell you, keep it up. You're doing a great job.
Stay with it. Wow. And the wife, or whatever opens her mouth,
like, looks at him, at her husband, or whoever, like what.
And he kind of looks at my son, and he's like, Okay, well, thank
you very much. I needed to hear that, or whatever. So he's like,
you know, good. He goes and finishes his hamburger. They
throw their trash away. And as he's walking back to the truck,
a white pickup is comes roaring up, and this kid's roughly my
son's age, goes, Hey, come here, and waves him over. And of
course, my son, sailor, is like, what is happening now? And as he
approaches this kid, this kid's he's roughly his age, he starts
crying. And he's like, what is happening? And he said, Man, I
drove 40 miles out of the way to eat here tonight. I never come
this way. I just felt like I should. I had to come to
Whataburger. Big plug for Whataburger. Yeah, I had to come
here tonight. And it's weird because I just felt compelled to
come. And I've always wondered if things like what I saw. And
it turns out he was inside. Were other people around, I guess,
and Sailor paid him no mind at all, but he said, I always
wondered if stuff like that actually happened. And he said,
You have no idea how much that means to me. And that was
devastating. I mean, my son was just like, wow. I thought this
was for that person. Turns out it was. There are other people
that it was for within Well, yeah, and that's the kind of he
deals with that stuff. That's cool. And, I mean, I could, we
don't, you don't have the podcast time of all the
wackiness that's happening, that's crazy, yeah, yeah. But
it's, it's gotten it's real, so it's real real. Now,
that's how Hallie happened. Who's Hallie? My daughter, my
third daughter. That was
that you what you got amorous that night,
or something? No, no, no. It wasn't like anything that I was
against having a third child. I just wanted to keep it at two.
Oh, she got whispered too, and Courtney was she's like, well, I
just feel like we need three. And I'm like, No, I said I've
seen, you know, the second child was a little bit more difficult,
Spencer, and it took a toll
or three. You got to switch up your defense. You got to go
zone, right? Man to man. So
we had, you know, I was coming around the bend of Saturn
Parkway on the 65 coming home from work, and this is, like,
months long, and she had finally, like, just given it up
and was just going to be okay. Have to be learning to be okay
with just two as I'm. Sounding that curve I hear, give her what
she wants.
Wow. Jim,
okay, just out of the blue. Out of the blue. Yeah,
you're on the way to the vasectomy, and you heard the
I go to, you know, I come home, and I said, so this is what
happened. Told her, she started crying, and she's like, well,
that's funny, because today was, I was just reserved today, it
wouldn't have today it wouldn't happen. Wow, today I just made
my decision that it wasn't going to happen and I would have to be
okay with it, yeah, and reconcile it. I said, No, we're
supposed to do this. And within a month,
you're like, boom, let's start right now, some
of that homemade sourdough, and go upstairs, specifically
whenever she drank vodka. Oh yeah,
that's a good thing. Hey. So just this is incredible and
everything. But just so we could say we had a music podcast. Who
were your favorite keyboard players, who was like an
inspiration to you? Or was there a band that was an inspiration?
Oh
my gosh, no. I'm a total weirdo, because, like all of the
musician, music that everybody is supposed to, you know, you
don't like Steely Dan, yeah, it's fine, whatever. Yeah, it's,
it's too it's like, get jazz guys that just like, we want
more girls. So, yeah, they mixed rock with their Jazz, or
whatever, got into it, yeah, rock, yeah.
I've always obviously, well, I mean,
anything like synth heavy stuff. I've been like a Depeche Mode
fan for years. Of course, the 80s, when I graduated high
school at 85 was the epicenter of, like, synth wave and all
that kind of stuff. Now there's a lot of bad stuff.
Aha, Kaji, goo, goo. You know, Wang, Chung.
It became, it became cool to tote around a keyboard back
then. But there's something about like, when I was on the
road, I remember buying everybody was listening to sting
10 summoners tales like crazy, seminal. It's just wonderful
record. And that's at the same time that I was reading about
producers and all their impact and stuff. And there's this
famous British producer they call flood, which is a nickname,
because I think he dumped a bunch of a drink into a console
or something. Oh, my God, it's horrible, yeah. But floods done
a lot of really pivotal records for people. But Depeche Mode
went to him and said, We want to make a record. That's like, you
too. And then you too, unknown to them, had gone to flood and
said, We want to make a record that's like Depeche Mode. So you
get zeropa from YouTube, right? And songs of faith and devotion
was Depeche Mode. And that's, it's a really dark layer, layer
upon layer and layer. So it's not that squeaky, bouncy, you
know, weird synth, pop junk. It's got a rock and roll
attitude about it, yeah. But it's, you know, it's like, I
know what a great distorted guitar sound. I'm a huge ACDC
fan. That's two guitars, bass and drums done this are those
textures and colors that elicit those same sort of feelings and
depth and power, but it's done just, like, what is that
saying? Yeah, like, Gary Newman, after he did cars, you know,
Baba, oh, yeah, he got really good and did some, like, really
kind of intense.
He was a punk man, and he saw since in a studio, and it got
filling with he's like, what is that? And
all the Nine Inch Nails stuff, I think is epic, you know? I mean,
some, it's a little darker subject matter, but it's just so
well done. Yeah, I really like that stuff and and then just in
closing, you know, I mean, you're at a crossroads in your
life, where you might be doing less of this. You're looking
back at this massive body of work, you know, you're all
music.com is so if somebody is just graduating from Musicians
Institute, or North Texas State or Berkeley, they're coming
here,
what do they do? How do they get into it?
From my perspective, what are the skill sets? Well, the studio
thing is definitely different. Yeah, I love how this town is
very open to having people just hang out and watch the process
go down. Yeah, they're open sessions. Yeah, they and
everybody's been very, very friendly. And I've had young
guys, you know, that want to do this, come to me, and I'm more
than happy to talk to them. I had a couple of guys kind of
help me early on, and sort of said, well, you know, you can
expect this. And like, when I was doing a lot of writing,
wrote a few 100 songs few years ago, and it was the same kind of
thing, lyrics, oh yeah, you got it. You got to just get in it.
You got to jump in and head for everybody else and be a good
person, and, you know, be willing to take some shots and
put in the hours. That's kind of what it takes. And you can be
super, super gifted player, but it's, I would say, it's more
about the hang than anything else. It's not what is it's not
what you play. It's what you don't play. Yeah, it's the
space between the notes. Yeah, I noticed all the things, you
know, but I mean, you did it, and you're doing it at the
highest level, and whenever I see you walk in the room, I'm
like, Alright, it's gonna be a great day. Which is, which is an
awesome, awesome thing. And sweet, if people want to do you
like to be found roach. Sounds calm. People can contact you
through there. Yeah, roach sounds.com, that's Jeff roach.
And then Jim, I think that you should ask your question. This
is your question,
my question. So if you had to choose a band to be a tribute
band and be in and it's the only music and you can play for the
rest of your life over and over again, what band would you
tribute? Wow, maybe it's the Peshmerga. It's like one
decision, you got to lock it in and you're, yeah, that's a tough
one.
It's Pro. Well, it i My favorite artist of all time, Stevie
Wonder. Okay, so if I could, if I could just be a fly on
Stevie's? Well, I could, since you can't see me anyway. Gosh,
see there, what I did. Are you talking about the I just called
to say I love you period of his
career. No, go back. Okay. Sorry, 70s,
yeah. 76 is about my favorite inner vision. Yeah, songs in the
Duke, yeah, come on.
I played that the other day. It came on my playlist. Yes,
microphones. It's just the attitude of it
just funny. You say that. I think it's like, you know you I
need to introduce you to my brother. And actually, as we
were talking
about Boogie On reggae, woman, all the
faith stuff and everything, I pulled up a video that he did,
and I felt like compelled, like this, you need to hear this.
It's like a testimony that he gave. I'd love to hear. And I
feel like, I'll send him the link. Yeah, my brother, last
time he was here, he's, I was like, you know what's, what's
kind of an artist that I would have no idea that you like? And
he said, Stevie. One, oh, my God, oh, he's my, he's my and
he's my brother's a boogie woogie piano
guy. That's funny. I just love the soul of Stevie. He just
unchanged it when I was writing with these pop girls. One, I'll
never forget this. I know I'm old school. They
didn't know who Stevie Wonder was. Well, close gotcha, one was
20 and one
was 21 and I'm kind of they were both lyricists. So I said, I'm
gonna work on the track, and this was my pop stuff, and I
could hear them back there humming melodies, and every so
often, and I've told this story a million times, I'm working on
the beat or whatever, and I turn around and I just said, Cat
Stevens. A few minutes later, Paul Simon and I knew, after a
few of these that they had no idea who I was talking about, so
I said, Hey, let's let's stop for a second. I need to talk to
you guys. You want to be in the music industry and you don't
know who these people are? Yes. So I started playing them songs,
and it was like that 80s bad horror movie scanners. I thought
their brain was going to explode. So I played him a few
songs, and then we went back to work, and I hear him whispering
again about 20 minutes later, I'm like, what would you make us
a playlist? And I said, You know what I'll do. I've never made a
playlist yet. I'll make one for me, and I'll just share it with
you, and it's chock full of Stevie and Otis Redding and Nina
Simone, nice Bill Withers and, you know, and then stuff from
the 80s. Is it an
easy link that you can share with us? Well, let's see. It's a
Spotify playlist, right? Yeah, I don't even know if it's posted.
I call it
music. That made me It's awesome, literally, yeah, is
Wichita lineman. Wow. It's everything from Wichita lineman
to the cult she sells sanctuary,
yeah, make sure you make sure you get my contact, and I'll put
it in the notes, all right, yeah. Will do
Yeah. And it's so fun, like 240 songs on there now, and it keeps
growing. I love that. Some of them are one hit wonders that I
don't even like. But you know how music is the moment I hear
it. I know exactly where you were. I remember the sights, the
smells, everything about it. I love that. Yeah, me too. And at
my age, that's
important. But I also love the one. I love the one hit wonders
of the 70s, the Rupert Holmes, you know, if you like pina
colada, yeah, I love the one hit wonders, man,
you remember m? Who is that? It's letter M, dong, a dong,
dong dong, Duca. Dong, dong, pop, pop, pop, yeah, that was
his once seventh grade cheerleaders did a whole routine
to that in the junior high gym.
And then who was, you know, Oh, Mickey, you're so fine. She was
great. Oh yeah. She was a, she was a choreographer.
Tony Basil, that's right,
a male first name. It's crazy.
Maybe we can, we can get some more kind of like games that we
could play on the show with some of these one hit wonders and
stuff, we'll quiz our guests. Yeah, this was very great today,
buddy. I knew it was fun. So easy. Just wind you
up and oh, do I can bloviate for hours. I'm a quiet, loquacious
young man.
Jeff, roach in the house. Roach sounds.com thanks for making the
trip to Spring Hill, buddy. Thank you guys, Jim, thanks for
your time and talent. Yes, sir. And to all the listeners, thanks
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