1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,060 Unknown: My famous Garth Brooks story. I actually beat Garth 2 00:00:03,060 --> 00:00:07,380 Brooks in a talent contest in Oklahoma City at a big 3 00:00:07,380 --> 00:00:10,980 nightclub. This is, hey, this is groundbreaking news. 4 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:13,980 This whole, has this ever been story? Ever been told on a 5 00:00:13,980 --> 00:00:16,980 podcast? I don't know. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a 6 00:00:16,980 --> 00:00:17,400 premiere. I 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,600 don't know. I think you know. It's a shame Garth couldn't get 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,580 his career going after that, he was so decimated. But he walked, 9 00:00:25,580 --> 00:00:27,740 I'll never forget he walked up to me. He was in school, I 10 00:00:27,740 --> 00:00:30,920 believe it's still water, and he was Garth then. I mean, he's 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,520 fully the entertainer that he is now. And he rubs me on the head, 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,860 and he goes, I know if I get beat, it's gonna be by this punk 13 00:00:36,860 --> 00:00:37,040 kid. 14 00:00:38,660 --> 00:00:41,020 This is the rich Redmond show. 15 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:48,040 And he goes, he goes, roach, what are you playing? And out of 16 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,880 nowhere, I just said, fair, I feel like I should play, savor, 17 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,380 let's and he looked at me, and he goes, that's your voice for 18 00:00:56,380 --> 00:00:57,580 the rest of the day. Amazing. 19 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,960 You should take, you should join, like an improv troupe you 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:01,620 sell. 21 00:01:01,860 --> 00:01:04,200 Oh no, no, no. 22 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:06,600 John Malkovich, tone to your voice, 23 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,780 though, bitch. He loves to enunciate every syllable you 24 00:01:13,140 --> 00:01:18,000 ever see. The guy who played, oh gosh, he's on Saturday Night 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,380 Live. And Bill Hader, Oh, I love him, great, yeah. And he does a 26 00:01:21,380 --> 00:01:23,840 ton of impressions. One of he did an impression of John 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,780 Malkovich in front of him, and Malkovich is going, I don't 28 00:01:26,780 --> 00:01:29,840 sound like that. And he's like, you sound exactly like, I think 29 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,440 I've seen that, 30 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,820 you know, you sound exactly does? 31 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,380 He does. He does the Chris, whatever, the guy that does the 32 00:01:39,380 --> 00:01:43,420 the show like, you know, they just show the footage of some 33 00:01:43,420 --> 00:01:47,380 guy butchered his whole family, and he's like, Well, what did 34 00:01:47,380 --> 00:01:50,020 that feel? He almost seems joyous about 35 00:01:50,140 --> 00:01:53,260 it, right? He's such a great character actor, that guy. He's 36 00:01:53,260 --> 00:01:59,200 so funny. He does and his his breaks when he breaks. Yeah, is 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,300 hilarious. Oh, it's crazy. Californians, California 38 00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:05,880 Forgetting Sarah Marshall, you know, all of those, 39 00:02:07,260 --> 00:02:10,500 those killer movies, that the Apatow movies, but, but he 40 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:13,980 just when he breaks on Saturday night long. Were you dude in 41 00:02:13,980 --> 00:02:15,360 here? Yeah, 42 00:02:17,820 --> 00:02:22,640 I always wished that that Fallon wouldn't break so much. 43 00:02:22,940 --> 00:02:27,080 I think, I think that's why he was on and I think that's why 44 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,460 we're Will Ferrell, every chance he had went after him, you know, 45 00:02:31,460 --> 00:02:34,040 well, he tried to break him in the hot tub. Yes, 46 00:02:36,620 --> 00:02:41,260 you ever watched a Lego Movie? No, you should really Yes, even 47 00:02:41,260 --> 00:02:44,260 though it's, you think it's a kid's movie when you have Liam 48 00:02:44,260 --> 00:02:46,960 Neeson playing the bad guy, and he's, he's 49 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,840 bipolar. Liam Neeson, Oh, dude, 50 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:54,520 taken seven. You've never seen it rich. The Lego movies. I 51 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,980 might do bad guys one and two, because Marc Maron plays 52 00:02:56,980 --> 00:03:01,500 the snake. Well, it's like he they, they take little plays on 53 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:05,100 words, like every year of an exacto blade. Oh, yeah. So in 54 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,880 the actual movie, they call it, you are going to be victim of 55 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,380 the sword of exact zero, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, the 56 00:03:13,380 --> 00:03:16,740 craggle. That's too smart for us, dude. No, it's very funny. 57 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:19,020 You need to watch it. That's very funny. Has a particular 58 00:03:19,020 --> 00:03:19,380 Yes, sir 59 00:03:19,620 --> 00:03:22,820 Jim. I mean, there's a there's a lot of stuff happening. And let 60 00:03:22,820 --> 00:03:28,820 me tell you that, you know, this the streaming services, it's 61 00:03:28,820 --> 00:03:32,840 getting racier and racier. I mean, I saw some stuff last 62 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,600 night on one of these shows. I was like, it's been 63 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,940 basically porn at this point. Wow. It says 64 00:03:37,940 --> 00:03:40,840 skin max. What's what streaming services are you 65 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,880 cats on, like, just on Netflix. I mean, 66 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,680 there's only fans Disney plus, 67 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,020 well, Disney plus too. They got Hulu is a part of them now. 68 00:03:50,020 --> 00:03:52,660 Well, this, this, this show is called the hunting wives. I 69 00:03:52,660 --> 00:03:55,000 didn't quite finish it, but there were some scenes from the 70 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,480 second to last episode. I was like, whoa. 71 00:03:58,540 --> 00:04:02,220 Really, they like skin to dude. Just, just 72 00:04:02,340 --> 00:04:05,400 describe the scene, because I I saw, like a lot of women on 73 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:10,140 Tiktok did, like reaction videos like, Ooh, how I'm feeling 74 00:04:10,140 --> 00:04:11,700 watching that scene from the hunting. 75 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,340 It's women on women, and it's 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,660 called the hunting wise, yeah. 77 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,360 Well, are they hunting each 78 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,480 other. You know what? I didn't watch the last episode, so I 79 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,940 don't want to ruin it for everyone, but you know, it is 80 00:04:25,940 --> 00:04:28,280 worth your time. It's a good cast. Housekeeping, what do we 81 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:30,560 got here? Yeah, yeah, we got we're gonna get into it, but 82 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,480 we're off. We're off to the races. And I knew this would be 83 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,960 a great episode. Are we doing it already? We're all it started. 84 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:42,220 You never tell your guests when you're starting. But Jim, no 85 00:04:42,220 --> 00:04:45,040 housekeeping, we are on a kick. Yesterday was really good. We 86 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,000 had our buddy, Wes little on who's, like, a really, you know, 87 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,640 bit, had a great New York career. He's in Nashville for 88 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,520 the last 20 years, doing really good. And you know, us drummers, 89 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,560 we get together, you know, because we always say we're 90 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,720 going to get together, but I force it. I'm like, Yeah, you're 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,200 going to drive to Spring Hill. Little and we're going to talk, 92 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,440 it's going to be public record for 90 minutes. You have to we 93 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:08,400 totally and then we even had Jeff. We had Jay Weinberg on 94 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,740 yesterday. He was the drummer from slipknot. Now he's with 95 00:05:10,740 --> 00:05:14,340 suicidal tendencies. He sees Bruce Springsteen's drummer's 96 00:05:14,340 --> 00:05:17,820 son, yeah, what? He lives here in Nashville. They all live here 97 00:05:17,820 --> 00:05:17,940 now. 98 00:05:17,940 --> 00:05:22,400 That's crazy. He played, he played giant stadium when he 99 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:23,300 turned 17. 100 00:05:23,420 --> 00:05:26,180 Yeah, it was in 2008 whenever, if you do the math, because he's 101 00:05:26,180 --> 00:05:30,140 34 now, he was filling in for his dad at Giants. His first gig 102 00:05:30,140 --> 00:05:34,100 was subbing for his dad with Bruce Springsteen. That giant 103 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:36,560 stadium. No pressure, yeah, yeah. 104 00:05:36,980 --> 00:05:40,040 Here I am nervous. He's 34 now, but he was like, 17 or 105 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:42,020 18 years he was 18 or 19 years 106 00:05:42,020 --> 00:05:44,320 old. Here I am. Dude. Here I am shitting a brick at the city 107 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,940 winery before I play with the Huey. You 108 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,520 did great, Jim. Thank you. So who is our guest today? I knew 109 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,580 it'd be great because he does voices. He does impersonations. 110 00:05:51,940 --> 00:05:56,140 He's a real ham. He's a real character. Hailing, he this is a 111 00:05:56,140 --> 00:05:59,680 mouthful from Mangum, Oklahoma. You just say like Mangum. 112 00:05:59,740 --> 00:06:02,940 Mangum. Hey, Michael mango, I just gotta think of King of the 113 00:06:02,940 --> 00:06:07,260 Hill and calling Nashville home since 1989 that's 3536 years 114 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,860 he's a keyboardist. He's a composer. He's a producer. Nine 115 00:06:10,860 --> 00:06:13,800 times out of 10, if I'm doing a recording session, he's playing 116 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,740 keyboards, and he's played with luminaries like Darius Rucker, 117 00:06:16,740 --> 00:06:19,800 Tim McGraw, Tracy, Lawrence, Leanne Womack. And then you've 118 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,700 got the upstarts, these new guys, your Cole swindells, your 119 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:25,280 Warren ziters, your Gabby Barrett's, and then even your 120 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:28,400 CCM royalty, like Amy Grant. We're talking about our friend 121 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,480 Jeff roach. Hey everybody, man. 122 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,780 Oh, did you hear that? Got an audience 123 00:06:35,780 --> 00:06:37,340 outside. Smattering of applause. 124 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,980 Totally brought to you by purified water. 125 00:06:41,979 --> 00:06:44,739 I knew it would be a great because you are, you're, you 126 00:06:44,739 --> 00:06:47,559 know. And the funny thing is, you said, I said, come five 127 00:06:47,559 --> 00:06:52,899 minutes before the interview, which means 255 you were here at 128 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:57,159 255 on the diamond. I said, Do you make a habit of that? And 129 00:06:57,159 --> 00:07:00,479 you're, you're always early, because to be on time is to be 130 00:07:00,479 --> 00:07:03,659 early, yeah, especially in what we do, oh, because you got to be 131 00:07:03,659 --> 00:07:04,439 set up ready to go. 132 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,280 Well, part of it is, I'm extremely type A and I want to 133 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:12,960 be there to be prepared. I want all my ancient geriatric crap to 134 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,960 work. Yeah? I want to make sure every you know, everything's 135 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,320 been tuned or whatever. And literally, I have, like, a 14 136 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,160 year old laptop that that's all I use it for right now, is for 137 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,500 sessions, and I got to make sure, is it going to 138 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:27,740 breathe? Did you have a backup? No. Okay, so somebody wants 139 00:07:27,740 --> 00:07:31,040 Omnisphere, or any of those, like soft synth things, if it 140 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:31,640 goes down, 141 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,640 well, I don't have Omnisphere, but, or whatever, one of those, 142 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,740 you know, everybody asked me that, like, do you have this? 143 00:07:36,740 --> 00:07:39,260 And do you have that? Man, you have this and that? I'm like, 144 00:07:39,260 --> 00:07:41,140 No, but everybody else uses 145 00:07:41,140 --> 00:07:45,280 it. I mean, it's working for you, yeah, the idea that 146 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,480 obviously you can do all the traditional piano stuff, you put 147 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,820 you on a real piano, you know, that on the second verse you're 148 00:07:51,820 --> 00:07:54,460 gonna have to do the pig Robinson thing. I've seen you do 149 00:07:54,460 --> 00:07:57,520 quasi, you know, New Age classical things. But then you 150 00:07:57,700 --> 00:08:00,120 you jump on your soft synth, and you got the plug, you know, all 151 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,060 the sounds of the blips and the beeps. You're that guy too. 152 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,020 It's all about the blips of the beeps. Rich, yes, I started as a 153 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:07,680 drummer though. 154 00:08:08,460 --> 00:08:11,160 Well, no, because I knew that, because you're, you're, you're 155 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,740 very knowledgeable about drums. Is one of your children play 156 00:08:13,740 --> 00:08:15,060 drums. I love 157 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,840 the sound effects are fantastic. Thanks for that freaking whip 158 00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:22,460 crack is awesome. 159 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,800 Oh, that's the, that's the good episode from laugh, yeah. Laugh 160 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:28,580 USA, my 161 00:08:28,580 --> 00:08:33,680 grandmother, Mama, she had a little set of drums, like a 162 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:36,440 little three piece set of drums as a kid, set up in her living 163 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,080 room. I don't know where they came from, kicks, their symbol, 164 00:08:39,380 --> 00:08:42,520 pretty much. There was one rack mount, Tom. Oh yeah, little 165 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,160 Chinese Tom, Tom, yeah, yeah. But they were old, they were 166 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,540 WFL, Oh, wow. And someone had had, like, as in, Ludwig, yeah. 167 00:08:49,540 --> 00:08:52,840 William F Ludwig, like a student model, had one lug in the 168 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,360 middle, and the little long, kind of T rock, long turrets, 169 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,320 yeah. And I would say she had like, giant, like, tube socks 170 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,880 and crap under the head. So they just, you know, they didn't make 171 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,720 any sound at all. And as a kid, I remember she had Charlie pride 172 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,220 albums, and then she had a Hollies, like the Great, the 173 00:09:11,220 --> 00:09:14,940 Holly's greatest hit. So like bus stop and long cool was it a 174 00:09:14,940 --> 00:09:17,580 woman in a black dress? And I said, in there, you know, I 175 00:09:17,580 --> 00:09:22,280 couldn't even touch the pedals, devil in a blue dress. No, no, 176 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,600 that's different song, Okay, gotcha, 177 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:26,000 except with a with a dress, 178 00:09:26,180 --> 00:09:29,360 yeah, a long, cool woman in a black dress. Oh, that's right, 179 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,320 right, yeah, gotcha. And, but I played all that stuff, and then 180 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:37,940 one day I'll never forget this was in, this is in the 1970s for 181 00:09:37,940 --> 00:09:43,120 all you youngsters. I was summertime. We had this really 182 00:09:43,180 --> 00:09:47,800 awful Naugahyde, like, green couch in the den. Back then 183 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:48,940 people had dens, 184 00:09:49,060 --> 00:09:52,840 yes, and it was olive, was very, uh, avocado green, 185 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,020 orange, Oh, yeah. We had all of that Tupperware, yeah. We had an 186 00:09:56,020 --> 00:09:59,020 avocado green telephone hanging in a kitchen on the wall with 187 00:09:59,020 --> 00:10:02,100 the Coily court. That I could reach the back gate with. If you 188 00:10:02,100 --> 00:10:05,160 wanted privacy, you had to stretch it through that horrible 189 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,940 sliding door that everybody had off the back patio. So it was 190 00:10:08,940 --> 00:10:13,020 all about dens and pit groups. People had pit groups, but, 191 00:10:13,020 --> 00:10:15,720 yeah, she was on a phone, and I'm sitting on that couch 192 00:10:15,780 --> 00:10:18,780 sweating because, you know that stuff doesn't breathe that 193 00:10:18,780 --> 00:10:21,620 vinyl. And she's like, Jeffrey, you want to learn how to play 194 00:10:21,620 --> 00:10:26,300 piano, sure. And took from a little lady, Miss Wendell. And 195 00:10:26,300 --> 00:10:29,480 then Miss Wendell, uh, health, went south, and I drove to 196 00:10:30,140 --> 00:10:33,440 Altus, which is real close to my hometown, 26 miles away. We have 197 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,920 to go to Altus to get anything really, yeah. And took from Miss 198 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,720 Hubbard, Juanita Hubbard, and she was hardcore, like a guild 199 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,340 style, like classical piano teacher, yep. And she wanted you 200 00:10:45,340 --> 00:10:48,580 to read the notes. Oh, yeah. And I it's, it's so bad, man, I hate 201 00:10:48,580 --> 00:10:51,580 to admit I can't read for crap. I still can't. You've 202 00:10:51,580 --> 00:10:53,320 done great. I just, I 203 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,440 fake it. What are those little what's all those little squiggly 204 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:56,980 things? We don't 205 00:10:56,980 --> 00:10:59,260 have to worry about it in Nashville, usually, unless 206 00:10:59,260 --> 00:11:01,860 you're doing some sort of like a cue or for a film or 207 00:11:01,860 --> 00:11:05,520 something. Yeah, I can, I mean, I can look at things and follow 208 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,980 a melody, and I can look at the chord symbols, you know, they'll 209 00:11:07,980 --> 00:11:10,500 have the tabs for guitar. Oh, here comes the G minor nine, 210 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:14,160 whatever I get that, yeah, but it used to drive her crazy. It 211 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,100 would take me forever to learn stuff, but she had a great year. 212 00:11:17,220 --> 00:11:21,860 I did, and I actually won the state Invitational piano contest 213 00:11:21,860 --> 00:11:28,760 when I was 14 or 13 or 14. Never forget it. It was this song it 214 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,780 took me, like a year to learn, and my mom called it migraine, 215 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,800 because it was all dissonant. If it sounds right or sounds pretty 216 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:42,200 is wrong, right. It was by Alberto in Estera called you 217 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:50,440 remember to the and it has, like you would play six, four in your 218 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,640 right hand and 10 in your left hand. And it was just 219 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,880 polyrhythm, crazy. Yeah, really percussive. And by the end of 220 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,260 it, I'm just beating the living back crap out of the piano, and 221 00:12:01,260 --> 00:12:04,020 it takes, probably takes 10 minutes to play it from memory. 222 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:08,160 That kind of stuff. Can share toe contests, 223 00:12:08,220 --> 00:12:11,700 yes, well, it's good for discipline and time management 224 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:12,480 and all that stuff. I 225 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,640 wish though that someone would say, Hey, you want to learn some 226 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,240 you want to learn jazz. I don't have I can fake a few chords. 227 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,560 Yeah, I have no concept of what that is. 228 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:25,220 But you know all the extensions, the nines and the 13th you hear 229 00:12:25,220 --> 00:12:28,040 them, I go, Oh, but it's putting them together in the standards, 230 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,880 and knowing the song book is, that's the thing. You know what 231 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,000 I mean. But that's okay, because, you know, unless you're 232 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,980 going to make that your focus, your career, you're like, I'm 233 00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:44,560 moving to Europe, where they appreciate jazz. You're doing 234 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:49,060 fine. You're you're playing on records, records that people are 235 00:12:49,060 --> 00:12:53,800 hearing in their car, Cambodia in in Publix 236 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,700 in the jungle. Yeah, they are in elevators. 237 00:12:57,940 --> 00:13:01,860 You know what? I mean, many greatest elevator hits of all 238 00:13:01,860 --> 00:13:05,460 time. That's right. So the funny thing was, though, my teacher, 239 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,820 we have recitals, of course, yeah. And after you played the 240 00:13:08,820 --> 00:13:12,660 Bach partita in C minor or whatever, first with the second 241 00:13:12,660 --> 00:13:17,160 cadenza at the end of these high brow things, she'd say, all 242 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:17,580 right, play 243 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:20,460 something you want to play. 244 00:13:20,460 --> 00:13:23,120 Jeffrey, come on up and play some of that junk music. And I'd 245 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,780 get up and play boogie woogie or something and just rip 246 00:13:26,780 --> 00:13:29,240 everything like Jerry Lee Lewis type stuff, nice. Oh yeah, 247 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,080 boogie woogie piano. 248 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,200 Oh yeah, because that stuff was easy in comparison to least. 249 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,140 You need to meet my brother. It's like, I think he had the 250 00:13:36,140 --> 00:13:37,040 same piano teacher 251 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,020 he might have. Yeah, rest her soul. She's 252 00:13:39,020 --> 00:13:41,860 so many of them are task masters now get 253 00:13:41,860 --> 00:13:44,500 foundational, right? It's pouring the foundation and yeah, 254 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:44,980 and then you 255 00:13:44,980 --> 00:13:47,920 got to know the rules so you can break them exactly. So did. But 256 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,360 did she ever get it? Was she ever made aware of your success 257 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:52,900 in the music 258 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:56,320 business? No, she died many, many years ago. Oh, yeah, it 259 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,260 was. But, you know, she used to get a kick out and make her mad 260 00:13:59,260 --> 00:14:02,340 that I would figure out everything by ear. She'd lay her 261 00:14:02,340 --> 00:14:06,540 arms on the piano, just go and I'd go over and find kind of the 262 00:14:06,540 --> 00:14:10,200 range of the notes, and she would just make her crazy, 263 00:14:10,199 --> 00:14:13,259 yeah, but your ears were probably more developed than 264 00:14:13,259 --> 00:14:16,439 hers, because she had decades of reading the notes, 265 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:19,500 I know, but I wished, I still wish, to a degree, that I've 266 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:23,360 seen people just never seen music, set it on the stand. Go, 267 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,960 okay, we're in B flat, we're, you know, and then just sit down 268 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,420 and play it. It's like, man, that would be cool to do. 269 00:14:29,660 --> 00:14:32,720 Unfortunately, most people that I know that do that play like 270 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,320 robots. Yeah. It's like, No, man, come on. I want to feel 271 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:36,500 it's 272 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:39,320 when you combine the two that you become kind of unstoppable. 273 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,360 But you're unstoppable and you and you play very percussively 274 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,100 and with great feel like a drummer. 275 00:14:45,579 --> 00:14:48,759 Well, I'm always listening. It's funny, like guys that I end up 276 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:51,339 working a lot with, at the end of a phrase where I know a drum 277 00:14:51,339 --> 00:14:55,659 fill is coming, it's shocking how many times I hit the exact 278 00:14:55,659 --> 00:14:58,839 we just play together. So much. It's like, I know what that 279 00:14:58,839 --> 00:15:00,299 drums that feels. Gonna be. 280 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,120 So you're in the Nashville recording studios for the last 281 00:15:03,180 --> 00:15:09,660 30 something year, 35 years, 36 years. Obviously, the landscape 282 00:15:09,660 --> 00:15:12,480 has changed. The technology has changed. The music has evolved. 283 00:15:13,020 --> 00:15:16,080 Players have come and gone. Guys have retired. They moved on. 284 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,420 They should have they've died, you know. But so now, when 285 00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:22,940 you're showing up to root set, am I? Am I right in saying that 286 00:15:22,940 --> 00:15:26,420 every day you're you're running into a Jerry row or a miles 287 00:15:26,420 --> 00:15:29,660 McPherson or who are the most common guys you work with all 288 00:15:29,660 --> 00:15:30,980 the time? Drum wise, those 289 00:15:30,980 --> 00:15:37,280 guys. Evan Hutchings, Oh, I see Wes occasionally. Who else am I 290 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,140 seeing? Chris 291 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,360 Kimmer. Chris Kimmer, yeah, like this place the brown owl, yeah, 292 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:49,300 Phil. Is it Lawson? Phil lost from Phil was his Instagram? 293 00:15:51,220 --> 00:15:54,520 Not Philly young? Oh, he's, oh, he's crap. I just think, I 294 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,220 think it's Phil. Lawson, sorry. Phil Lawson, we're gonna check, 295 00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:01,020 yeah, I think that's his name. Love that guy. Sorry. I don't 296 00:16:01,020 --> 00:16:04,320 know your last name, Phil. We're always Hey, bud, yeah, you could 297 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,860 do that with the guy, away with it. Is it? Lawson, did you check 298 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:08,880 it out? Did you google eyes 299 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,080 him? Phil? Lawson, 300 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:13,440 good. What's up? Phil? Shout out to Phil. 301 00:16:15,060 --> 00:16:18,960 But do you find yourself with some of the the the icons, the 302 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,620 eddies and the lonnies and the Gregs and the Chads. 303 00:16:21,619 --> 00:16:25,219 Lonnie, still, I worked with Chad. Actually had a triple with 304 00:16:25,219 --> 00:16:29,419 him last Monday, nice, and he's great. I joke with Chad because 305 00:16:29,899 --> 00:16:33,199 he doesn't need toms. He just needs a kick, snare and a hat 306 00:16:33,199 --> 00:16:36,619 and a couple of symbols he never fills on a tom. If it does, it 307 00:16:36,619 --> 00:16:39,619 always catches me off guard. It's rare. Yeah, he'll wear a 308 00:16:39,619 --> 00:16:46,299 snare out. But, yeah, yeah, the Greg Morrows love his feel sup 309 00:16:46,299 --> 00:16:50,319 Greg, yeah, I see near occasionally, yeah, he brought a 310 00:16:51,219 --> 00:16:53,079 very intense man. We 311 00:16:53,439 --> 00:16:56,739 know I went over finally, see, I've been everybody is a threat, 312 00:16:56,739 --> 00:16:58,959 and we got to get together with the I'm the guy that's like, 313 00:16:58,959 --> 00:17:01,239 goes, we've been talking about this for five years. Is not 314 00:17:01,239 --> 00:17:02,439 going to become six years. 315 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:07,080 And so you're so you've been here 35 years? Yeah, or 36 you 316 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,280 don't look old enough. 317 00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:11,040 I know he's got this youthful later. 318 00:17:12,060 --> 00:17:12,960 Is that working? 319 00:17:14,099 --> 00:17:17,099 I don't know about your diet and exercise and you're a clean 320 00:17:17,099 --> 00:17:20,479 living but I mean you, you've always you've always got a firm 321 00:17:20,479 --> 00:17:23,359 handshake, and you're always laughing and you're always happy 322 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,519 to be in the room. There's this enthusiasm. 323 00:17:25,819 --> 00:17:29,419 So how old are you? Yeah, I'll be 58 next month. 324 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,780 No way. Yeah. We're just, yeah, I just turned 55 I was waiting 325 00:17:32,780 --> 00:17:35,840 for you to drive my golf cart. Oh, you got the golf cart. I 326 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,220 mean, I can good for 327 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,020 you. Did you buy it? Are you 328 00:17:39,679 --> 00:17:44,499 saying at this point, I could move to a 55 and over community 329 00:17:44,859 --> 00:17:48,399 where they give you the golf villages, 330 00:17:48,399 --> 00:17:52,359 yes, comes with a free golf card and sexually transmitted 331 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:52,659 disease. 332 00:17:53,740 --> 00:17:54,940 Make sure to bring your upside 333 00:17:54,940 --> 00:17:57,520 down pineapple flags, no. Syphilis is on the rise. Old 334 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:03,900 folks. Everybody doing it, let them. That's what I said. If you 335 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:06,900 make it to 80, you can, you can eat all the whiskey and 336 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:08,820 chocolate you want. I got you want. 337 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,000 Let's just kind of pause here for a second, because I have a 338 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,240 little bit of we have to do a little bit of a plug, not only 339 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,120 for ourselves. Throw me that cap over there. I'm going to do 340 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:20,600 something. Geez, Jim, you're a taskmaster turning 341 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,100 into a full promo sexual today. 342 00:18:23,420 --> 00:18:24,980 You know called, do you know Kevin Murphy? The 343 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:27,920 Kevin? He's, uh, John party's 344 00:18:27,919 --> 00:18:30,859 live drummer. I think I've met him. I know John. I've worked 345 00:18:30,859 --> 00:18:32,059 with John a couple, few times. 346 00:18:32,060 --> 00:18:34,820 Anyways, when I say pause, I'm not really pausing. I'm just, 347 00:18:34,820 --> 00:18:36,020 we're gonna make this part of the 348 00:18:36,020 --> 00:18:39,200 show. Okay? We're gonna stick a pin in it. We're gonna stick, I 349 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:39,800 hate that, guys. 350 00:18:39,919 --> 00:18:42,519 This doesn't sound very good. I don't I'm not getting anything 351 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:42,879 back. 352 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,800 It feels like I'm not using anything at all. What are you 353 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:48,100 talking 354 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:52,900 about? Check, check, check, oh, squirking thing on is that 355 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:55,000 better? Yeah, Helen, you're at an event that is always 356 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,480 feedback. Oh, it has to be feedback. Yeah. In the movies, 357 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,360 whenever there's a microphone, always feedback 358 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:04,620 exactly, and anytime someone's nature, there's a hawk you hear 359 00:19:04,620 --> 00:19:07,020 that, or flipping hawk. What 360 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:09,780 about the car alarm that sounds like a chirp from the 90s? What 361 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,400 was the last time you ever heard of? 362 00:19:12,060 --> 00:19:16,740 Oh, no, movies. My new my new thing I hate is every computer 363 00:19:16,860 --> 00:19:17,820 in any sci fi 364 00:19:17,820 --> 00:19:19,980 movie to make noise. Yes, this dream 365 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:24,020 is always it goes back to make sound alien. 366 00:19:24,020 --> 00:19:26,240 Oh, you know what the funny thing is, on your keyboard, you 367 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,700 could probably make all those sounds, right? You know I could. 368 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:31,400 There's my career move, Jim, dude imaging work parts for 369 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:39,080 radio stations they do. Yeah, so getting back to what I was 370 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,120 saying before. Okay, Jim, we do have merch. Tons of March, yep, 371 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:46,240 the rich Redmond show.com, go to there. I just had lunch with 372 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,960 Jason Miller, who owns Christian Brothers automotive. I want to 373 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:50,680 give him a shout out. 374 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,480 Okay, yeah, because I'm always looking for a fair place to fix 375 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,000 my vehicle. That's not the dealership, where they're not 376 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,920 going to upsell me on a million other things. He. 377 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,940 He restores my faith in humanity. I like that gentleman. 378 00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:05,880 You should really meet him. Grecian restaurant, who was on 379 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,900 my podcast this episode's out this week, got to give them a 380 00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:12,780 shout out, and mainly because Jay was talking about his 381 00:20:12,780 --> 00:20:16,620 affinity for diners, northeast diners. I love diners, and 382 00:20:16,620 --> 00:20:18,480 they're very akin to a northeast diner. 383 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,620 The closest you get in Spring Hill, Tennessee, is the Grecian 384 00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:24,740 restaurant, Yes, yep. And you got a really cool guest, because 385 00:20:24,740 --> 00:20:27,620 it's a thick menu. You can get pizza, you can get pasta, you 386 00:20:27,620 --> 00:20:30,980 can get a breakfast. You can get zero zeros. You can get American 387 00:20:30,980 --> 00:20:31,820 cuisine, all the stuff, 388 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:35,660 Giro. Is that? How you say it 00, see, this is the benefit of 389 00:20:35,660 --> 00:20:39,860 growing up in Mangum, Oklahoma. Manga. Man, I want one of them, 390 00:20:39,860 --> 00:20:42,460 gyros right now. Yeah, yeah. Throw some that lamb on there 391 00:20:42,460 --> 00:20:45,160 up in Danbury, Connecticut. We probably called him that too. 392 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,520 Yeah? We just like, No, it's heroes. No, it's gyros, dude. 393 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:49,540 Sorry, yeah. 394 00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:53,680 Shout out to everyone that these local businesses in Spring Hill. 395 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,140 It's an amazing community. And for the folks that are 396 00:20:56,140 --> 00:21:01,380 interested in beanies, hats, shirts, the elusive coffee mug. 397 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,420 Just go to the rich Redmond show.com 398 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:05,820 enter the code, 399 00:21:05,820 --> 00:21:10,800 fall 25 Well, go to the merch page first fall 25 fall 25 400 00:21:10,980 --> 00:21:13,920 for 25% off, and it's shipped right to your house. 401 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,580 Ba, bam. 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Well, you 439 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,320 knew you wanted to get out of Oklahoma, right? Yeah. 440 00:23:27,380 --> 00:23:32,300 And, you know, it's funny people that they they know me, but my, 441 00:23:32,420 --> 00:23:36,560 my my rear end, my upbringing was very, very different than 442 00:23:36,620 --> 00:23:40,660 kind of, my persona. We had a small farm, small farm for out 443 00:23:40,660 --> 00:23:44,320 there was a is a quarter sections, 160 acres, my God, 444 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:48,880 under 60. We had about 80 head of cattle at most. So I've, I've 445 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,820 worked cattle with my dad back in the day, built more fence 446 00:23:51,820 --> 00:23:55,960 than I ever branding. They usually put ear tags on them. 447 00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:58,960 They still do, you know, do brand some. I wasn't part of the 448 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,040 branding. Now I have. We've done lots of things with the cows, 449 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,400 including the snip, snip. That was brutal. I've done that on 450 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,940 occasion. Oh, painful. I helped my dad pull a calf one time out 451 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:11,580 of a heifer, heifer, a heifer. 452 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,140 You wouldn't do that. 453 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:18,540 It's it was. It's a neat story. Dad is in like a suit. We get a 454 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:21,740 call that This heifer has got problems, and he's hanging his 455 00:24:21,740 --> 00:24:26,000 jacket, like, over the barn door, or this door next to and 456 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,620 we have our all up in this, the lot kind of bunch of, how do I 457 00:24:30,620 --> 00:24:34,220 call it? It's like steel fencing up around the barn, you know, 458 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,080 and she's in there, and I think the calf is breech or something, 459 00:24:39,380 --> 00:24:43,660 and you have to reach in, pull it up. You reach in and attach a 460 00:24:43,660 --> 00:24:48,340 steel cable, the kind you see on a truck. And first you have to 461 00:24:48,340 --> 00:24:50,920 rearrange the calf and hook it around the hooves. And it's 462 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,280 those things you see. They're like, it's got a come along, a 463 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,460 great big version of that. And you're like, Are you kidding me? 464 00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:01,560 So here comes the calf, and I. All of that gooey goodness that 465 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,720 comes with, yeah, with calf, little placenta, yeah, oh yeah, 466 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,920 it's, it's a good time. Nothing grosses you out after that. But 467 00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:14,760 no, I've, you know, sewn wheat and hauled hay and trumped 468 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,940 cotton and done all that stuff, and it's so foreign to my life. 469 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:18,360 Now 470 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,940 you remember the workout place. It's now the Tesla dealership in 471 00:25:22,940 --> 00:25:27,200 Franklin. It's it was called prairie land fitness. No, oh, 472 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,140 Prairie Life Fitness, yeah, okay. And it was a national 473 00:25:30,140 --> 00:25:33,620 chain, and they advertised on the radio for a while, but for a 474 00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:36,320 longest time, I was like, that's an interesting concept. Very 475 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,540 love. What is prairie Life Fitness? I'm like, what do you 476 00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:40,960 do? We go up in there, I throw hay bales around and stuff like. 477 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,160 That's a great workout. Yeah? 478 00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:44,260 Oh, you like moving tires and you swing the head sledge 479 00:25:44,260 --> 00:25:46,060 hammers, all the Tim mccross stuff on the road. 480 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:49,660 That's not what it was. Well, it was just a regular 481 00:25:49,660 --> 00:25:52,480 gym, yeah, just regular gym. Is it pretty weird name? I don't 482 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,320 know. You have to dress like a Mennonite when you're in sweat a 483 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,820 lot. That's the thing. Yeah, the dirtiest I ever got was an out. 484 00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:04,200 And I love this memory we were, I think we're alfalfa. I'm 485 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,720 trying to remember what we were sowing in this field, this front 486 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,660 field, but we borrowed this piece of equipment. They call 487 00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:12,360 it, I think they call it a drill. I don't know why they 488 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:16,560 call it a drill, but imagine a great big, wide tank and wheels 489 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,540 at the end. The tractor pulls it and out of the tank roughly 490 00:26:20,540 --> 00:26:25,400 where each row of the field is, is kind of a funnel apparatus. 491 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,100 And it's really old. This thing looks like it should have been 492 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:33,020 in a in a museum. So most of the funnel apparatus, which was 493 00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:36,380 metal originally, is all rusted away. And some guy had wired up 494 00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:39,020 a bunch of old inner tubes and baling wire and all this stuff. 495 00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:41,380 Well, all the bumping and all this, these, these these things 496 00:26:41,380 --> 00:26:44,200 would come out, and seed would kind of get scattered. So my job 497 00:26:44,620 --> 00:26:47,320 is to crawl around on the back of this thing and make sure all 498 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,180 these tubes stay in the funnel locations. So this is 115 499 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:58,360 degrees and dry and dirt coming off those tractor tires all day 500 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:03,540 long. So when I get home, my mom stops me on the porch, and she's 501 00:27:03,540 --> 00:27:06,000 like, Nah, you're not coming in the house like that. Because it 502 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,660 was, I look like a dry lake bed, yeah? It was just, oh, it was 503 00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:12,600 like an eighth of an inch thick. Oh, my God, it just brick. And 504 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,840 so she hit me with a hose first, yeah? And she's like, don't even 505 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,680 go upstairs. Just go get in that bathtub in there. And I left mud 506 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,060 in the bathtub, yeah, but when you're that dirty, when you get 507 00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:25,040 real clean, you feel cleaner than you've ever felt. 508 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,460 Oh, there's nothing like a shower makes you a new man, even 509 00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:29,540 after a lawn mowing. 510 00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:33,080 Yeah, I like so to this day, I still like getting out on my 511 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,020 property and like cutting up trees and splitting. Oh, 512 00:27:36,020 --> 00:27:37,940 a tree just fell on my property. Jim, yeah. 513 00:27:37,940 --> 00:27:41,060 So what are you gonna do about it? I gotta call Caesars drop. 514 00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:42,020 Oh my gosh. What do you 515 00:27:42,020 --> 00:27:45,820 want me to do? You want me to do? Go out there. 516 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,240 What's the dirtiest you've ever gotten doing physical manual 517 00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:51,520 labor? Come on, tell us a story. 518 00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:55,180 When I first moved to Nashville, I had to I worked for manpower, 519 00:27:55,180 --> 00:27:58,240 which is a temp agency, Oh, yeah. And I would take anything, 520 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,600 and they would send me out to like, construction sites, and 521 00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:02,760 they'd be like, Hey, man, you know, you sweep, keep this 522 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,820 clean, run out, get us lunch or whatever. But you know, everyone 523 00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:08,700 knows I have horrible like Claritin 24 hour 524 00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:12,900 allergies, and I had the greatest place to live for 525 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:18,360 that. I had to unload a gigantic 18 wheeler semi full of 526 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:22,520 documents that we had to load in this place to burn, and there 527 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,100 were, like, 40 year old documents covered with inches of 528 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:29,780 dust. I'm just just covered with dust, sneezing. My eyes all red 529 00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:33,560 and white. How about $8 an hour? Nice. How do you make a living 530 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,380 on $8 an hour? Guys? I mean, it's living, baby. I mean, 531 00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:39,680 wow. You know those squares you see in the pavement before you 532 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,240 pull up to a stoplight? Yeah, they call those loops. They're 533 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,640 not actually pressure plates where, like most people think 534 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,900 they are, they're wires that are wrapped around the pavement, and 535 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:53,140 somebody has to cut those in. And I actually, when I worked as 536 00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:57,160 an electrician, did that kind of work. We cut loops into the 537 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,380 pavement and intersections in Connecticut 538 00:28:59,380 --> 00:29:03,480 Max. What what job have you not done? So far, I've just known 539 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,600 you for 20 minutes, and plumbing, you're like a polymath 540 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,560 over there. Man, nothing. 541 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,020 Plumbing is dirty. I don't want to get, you know, let me see. Do 542 00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:12,120 you have all your digits? Because most plumbers, 543 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,580 I do have trade tattoos. I have a lot of scars on my hands. 544 00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:15,480 Yeah, I call them 545 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,840 trade. Plumbers are always like missing fingers jacked up. 546 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,100 It's, it's, you know, you gotta have. You can't have soft hands, 547 00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:26,660 but you're never more happy to see a trade guy than when you 548 00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:30,080 need them. And they show up in a timely manner, and they know 549 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,100 their stuff, and they're nice, and they explain the situation, 550 00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:35,600 and they get it done. Trades people 551 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,440 are gonna have the last laugh. Guys leave them with a check. 552 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:42,580 Yeah, the Hoffman brothers got a lot of my money this last year 553 00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:45,340 because I bought, bought a new house in October. And I was just 554 00:29:45,340 --> 00:29:46,960 like, Yeah, let's check the plumbing. Let's check the 555 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,540 electricity. Let's check this. Like, yeah, they basically were 556 00:29:49,540 --> 00:29:50,980 parked in front of my house for 557 00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:53,620 two weeks. So basically, that's your fault. Let's check this. 558 00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:56,440 Let's check that. I didn't have to. But I was just like, This is 559 00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,920 brand new. They put it in their CRM rich Redmond in Paris. 560 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,440 That's, he's lay down. 561 00:30:03,660 --> 00:30:05,040 Lay down. You're a lay down. 562 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,440 Um, that means I'm an easy target. Yes. Oh yeah, they 563 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,320 love me. Saw some guy the other day. It was a blurb about a dude 564 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,800 that went to Walmart or whatever and bought a full size, like, 565 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,640 fake skeleton, yeah, because he was redoing his deck, yeah. And 566 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,100 when he took all the deck boards off in the ground, he kind of 567 00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:22,640 half buried the skeleton. Oh, like the red door saloon, yeah. 568 00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:26,660 And so he's gonna redo it. And years from now, when someone 569 00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:30,500 redoes the deck, they're going to discover this moldy skeleton. 570 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:31,460 Amazing. They're gonna 571 00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:33,980 think it's like a Nephilim or something like that. It's 572 00:30:33,980 --> 00:30:37,520 amazing. I thought, What a great idea. So the reason why I was 573 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,560 telling the story about the loops was that that was my 574 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,840 dirtiest job, yeah, there's all the road dust. Yeah, got kicked 575 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,520 up and just all day long, 576 00:30:45,820 --> 00:30:48,100 I helped a guy in a grain elevator one day. And you talk 577 00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,620 about not being able to breathe, and it was so hot, it was the 578 00:30:50,620 --> 00:30:53,140 middle of summer, and it was all the dust is blowing 579 00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:55,540 around. Those things are dangerous. Oh yeah, you can get 580 00:30:55,540 --> 00:30:57,040 trapped and die in those things. I 581 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,920 knew a guy, his arm got caught in an auger and it just chewed 582 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,660 it off, like, like, freaking chop me. Yeah, it's a big drill 583 00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:05,400 bit and those things to just, yeah, 584 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,800 you're done farm life. 585 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:12,120 So that's your roots. But now, all these years later, decades 586 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,280 later, you're in an air conditioned studio. Every day, 587 00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:17,520 endless piles of coffee. Usually someone's going to Jimmy John's 588 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,960 to get us lunch. It's 589 00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:21,140 all thumbs up. Wait, where are you working? 590 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,480 When you do the sessions that I book you on, we've always got a 591 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,240 nice, catered lunch, you know, for that cat mark that, you 592 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,940 know, the California guy with the long blonde hair, he always 593 00:31:31,940 --> 00:31:36,260 like, What a sweet guy pays us cash above scale. He goes, he 594 00:31:36,260 --> 00:31:38,600 goes, Wait, what does this normally pay? And I tell him, he 595 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,900 goes, That's ridiculous, but he's got wads of hundreds, and 596 00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:46,120 you're keep him coming. He's a great guy. And he's like, let's 597 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,000 get some lunch. And it's He's awesome. I wish everyone was 598 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:49,420 like that. I 599 00:31:49,420 --> 00:31:53,320 know I had a guy pay me cash yesterday, and that just I never 600 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,840 see cash. I'm literally like, what is this green papery 601 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,380 substance? 602 00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:59,800 Yes. Have you ever been real? Have you ever been denied of 603 00:31:59,860 --> 00:32:02,940 paying by cash yet, no. Happened to me? 604 00:32:04,020 --> 00:32:06,780 Someone said, No, we don't do cash. We don't take cash. Wow, 605 00:32:06,780 --> 00:32:09,120 yeah, well, Southwest Airlines doesn't take cash anymore. If 606 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,940 you want a cocktail, you bit to have your sweep swipe. I always 607 00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:14,520 thought that was illegal, though, like you have to accept 608 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,480 cash. Wow. Yeah, it was a bar downtown, 609 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,620 wow. Well, it just goes to show you. And remember, if you've 610 00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:24,440 ever played the end, that little rock, rock and roll club across 611 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,820 from the exit in it's like a seats, maybe like 40 people 612 00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:30,380 tops. It is a beer 613 00:32:30,380 --> 00:32:33,740 having more rock and roll than 40 place 40 standal. 614 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,040 You know, if you got a new rock band in Nashville, you're 615 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,020 playing the end, that's your first spot. 616 00:32:39,260 --> 00:32:41,260 It's also the place that you play in the end, 617 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,220 at the end, yeah, I'm just glad it's still there. Yeah, 618 00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:47,440 someone's gonna, some developers gonna knock it down. 619 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,500 Yeah, it's gonna just fall into the anyways, you said to 620 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,400 yourself, 621 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,980 I'm getting out of Oklahoma. Oh, 622 00:32:53,980 --> 00:32:57,280 yeah, sorry. Wow. Full Circle. Yeah. We went way off, way off. 623 00:32:57,340 --> 00:33:01,500 Anyways, I went to, went to college in West Texas, and 624 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,600 anyways, at some point in Oklahoma, with all the classical 625 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,440 stuff, my dad printed up some little business cards back when 626 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,680 the kids had business, yeah, no. And it said, classical to 627 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,400 country. And he would promote me to play, like, banquets and all 628 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,960 this stuff. And so I would just play, you know, everybody had to 629 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,440 learn ice castles, or whatever themed ice castles, yeah, you 630 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,280 know, this kind of stuff. So I did all of that. And then I had 631 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,160 a relative that said, come on up to Oklahoma City. There's this 632 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,220 place called the Oklahoma Opry which is like a Grand Ole Opry 633 00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:37,460 thing. And it was in an old theater, and it was like a Grand 634 00:33:37,460 --> 00:33:40,180 Ole Opry thing. Had a band, a house band. And so I came out 635 00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:45,580 and I played a version. I think it was Frankie and Johnny into 636 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,660 this. And so I was doing the boogie woogie thing. And then I 637 00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:53,200 thought, I'm going to try singing. So then I did that, and 638 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,400 that launched. I was 14 years old, and every weekend was gone, 639 00:33:57,580 --> 00:34:01,800 playing all over Oklahoma, all over Texas, great, my, my, my 640 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,000 famous Garth Brooks story. I actually beat Garth Brooks in a 641 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,740 talent contest in Oklahoma City at a big nightclub. This is, 642 00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:12,600 hey, this is groundbreaking news. 643 00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:15,600 This whole, has this ever been story? Ever been told on a 644 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,600 podcast? I don't know, ladies and gentlemen, this is a 645 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,020 premiere. I 646 00:34:19,020 --> 00:34:22,280 don't know. I think, you know, it's a shame Garth couldn't get 647 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,140 his career going after that. He was so decimated. But he walked, 648 00:34:27,140 --> 00:34:29,300 I'll never forget, he walked up to me. He was in school, I 649 00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:32,540 believe it's Stillwater, and he was Garth then. I mean, he's 650 00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:36,140 fully the entertainer that he is now. And he rubs me on the head, 651 00:34:36,140 --> 00:34:38,480 and he goes, I know if I get beat, it's gonna be by this punk 652 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,800 kid. And it was at this nightclub, which, obviously I'm 653 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,100 underage, but it was, I think it was called Henson's after Henson 654 00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:48,040 Cargill or something. It became Doc severinsens, and then became 655 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,800 something else, wow. But the guys that were in the house 656 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,820 band, most of them became George straits, main band for a long 657 00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:58,540 time. Yeah, and that's where I learned to chart number charts. 658 00:34:58,540 --> 00:35:01,260 Yeah, were they? Were they doing? Reading the numbers at 659 00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:02,580 the Oklahoma Opry. 660 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,640 Yes, they did there too. So they may have learned it from some 661 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,560 Kath, you know, the Nashville Number System. So, but that 662 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,260 started a whole other thing. So I just, and that's how I ended 663 00:35:13,260 --> 00:35:17,400 up going to college, because I got scholarships from places to 664 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,480 play and promote the school, and then going to school in Abilene, 665 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,460 Christian University in Abilene Texas, 666 00:35:22,460 --> 00:35:25,880 Abilene Texas, Yeah, isn't that a heavy female 667 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,000 school? It was at the time, yes, yes, and yes, 668 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,200 it was in your favor. It was now, did you meet your I did. I 669 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,680 sure. Did you go that's been together a long time, 36 years. 670 00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:37,520 Wow. Good for 671 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,140 you. About it, she's still, you know, she's still serving her 672 00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:42,700 sentence, and 673 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,020 that's that celebration for Peter, BB and J, man, yeah, 674 00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:53,920 what? What is the anniversary gift for 36 years? You know, the 675 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,080 first year, it's like string or something. 676 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,540 I think it's leave and give me a week in peace. 677 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,460 Leave me the hell alone. Yeah, 678 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,060 that's kind of the that's sort of the MO, no, she's she, I'm 679 00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:09,300 married way up. And what's funny is, she's a total city girl. 680 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,640 She's from Dallas, yeah, and I don't when she met me, she was 681 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,420 like, Who is this, rube? You know, she was on a date, and I 682 00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:22,040 was playing a gig on campus, and her dates, like, I want to meet 683 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,240 this guy. And she's like, really, I don't why this boogie 684 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,940 woogie guy? Yeah, why do you want to? She was totally not 685 00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:33,020 interested. Well, how did this turn? I don't know. I was at the 686 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,740 I was poor on campus, and so I lived in, you know, campus 687 00:36:36,740 --> 00:36:40,120 housing, and ate in the cafeteria and all that stuff. So 688 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,140 I was at our little post office, and I see these two girls, and 689 00:36:44,140 --> 00:36:46,360 they were kind of snickering and looking at me. I'm like, what's 690 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,380 going on? And they went, we know who likes you. And, of course, 691 00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:52,600 and I was just one of these people that was like, whoo, 692 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,840 what? Please. Yeah, the love of God, yeah. Like, someone does a 693 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,860 female actually, like a big bang theory cast me. Oh, yeah. It 694 00:36:59,860 --> 00:37:04,440 was, I was pitiful, you know, still great, but, and so, and 695 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,580 she was big city girl. It was Texas. She had the giant blonde 696 00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:12,420 hair with the thing, Dallas. No, she never did the fence, yeah, 697 00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:14,520 that coral reef looking thing that 698 00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:17,160 held back the sheep, yeah, you're 699 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:21,080 getting a package delivered. Looks like, but she, you know, 700 00:37:21,140 --> 00:37:24,080 she did these. And everybody did them. I called them audio 701 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,920 scoops, where they would take the blonde hair to the side and, 702 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,520 like, how would she do it? I think you would hit it with some 703 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,820 hairspray and then hit with a whole a hairdryer real quick, 704 00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:40,180 and it would freeze into this wall so that I make it sound so 705 00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:44,980 great debutant Harris, yeah, and I swear all the girls had this, 706 00:37:44,980 --> 00:37:47,560 and you could probably hear for miles. It was like a satellite 707 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:47,920 dish, the 708 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,540 modern day equivalent of lip filler. 709 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,540 Everyone's Yeah, but she's great. She's beautiful. And 710 00:37:58,780 --> 00:38:00,940 yeah, she still tolerates me for some reason. 711 00:38:00,940 --> 00:38:03,660 But how did it go from like, you know, this guy, I want to meet 712 00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:07,680 this guy. I'm kind of a name. I don't know. Yeah, I really don't 713 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,500 know. Did he have any idea that, you know, eventually he's going 714 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,360 to be taking my girl, you know? I 715 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,220 think that she was that he was not an item with her at all. And 716 00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:21,320 I'd never saw myself. I never had a real girlfriend. I was 717 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,560 always gone on weekends, and I looked like a weirdo. I was just 718 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,680 a scrawny kid, and so I thought there's no way this chick is 719 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,840 interested in me. Jeff, I never did the mullet, no no long hair. 720 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,000 I've always been a guy that whatever everybody else is 721 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,900 doing, I can't do that, right? So that's great. I'm like apple. 722 00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:42,280 Think different. Yeah, it's not a noble thing. It's probably, I 723 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,000 couldn't pull it off if I wanted to, but I found out that she 724 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,460 liked man. I thought on, you know, on paper, we have 725 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:52,780 absolutely nothing in common, but it's weird, like when we've 726 00:38:52,780 --> 00:38:56,080 tracked man, yeah, it could be Yeah, because where I'm cynical 727 00:38:56,140 --> 00:38:59,260 and a smart alec and all those things, She's sensitive and 728 00:38:59,260 --> 00:39:02,460 caring, and she all this kind of Yeah, so we just fit together 729 00:39:02,460 --> 00:39:06,840 great. And she always, you know, find sees the great stuff in 730 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,780 people, and I'm always dubious, like they're up to something. 731 00:39:10,140 --> 00:39:10,560 Yeah, 732 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,720 I saw that face when you saw me for the first time. 733 00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:16,680 I always try to subscribe to, don't say anything about anyone 734 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,380 unless it's good. You know 735 00:39:19,379 --> 00:39:23,539 what I mean? If you can't say something nice, say nothing. 736 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,140 Yes, that's good one. I don't subscribe to that. So, so 737 00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:29,300 anyway, so you're all over the place. You got, you're getting 738 00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:35,480 10,000 hours in in your teens, probably, yeah, but then this is 739 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,780 what I'm fishing for. Are you jumping in a van, playing in a 740 00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:41,060 band? You're trying to get a record deal how? You know, but 741 00:39:41,060 --> 00:39:43,780 in Nashville, I thought I was going to, that's all I'd done. 742 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,600 And, I mean, we'd had people come to campus, you know, big 743 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,240 acts and stuff like little Texas and all these people, and I 744 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,900 would be the opening act. It's awesome. So my goal was, I want 745 00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:56,800 people to go, how boring was that opening I mean, how boring 746 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,620 was the main act? We'd have just crazy. Party, we'd play, you 747 00:40:01,620 --> 00:40:05,580 know, party songs and stage diving and silly string and just 748 00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:09,960 bananas, yeah? And then the act, the big act, would come on, and 749 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,500 they're kind 750 00:40:11,220 --> 00:40:13,740 of like, oh yes, you know, where's the silly string? Yeah, 751 00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:17,160 that's what we were. That's kind of what we hope for. But, you 752 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,720 know, and I was doing sort of my weird version, my music that I 753 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:25,220 started writing back then was like, if Jerry Lee Lewis and 754 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,520 Prince and the Red Hot Chili Peppers all got together, it's 755 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,080 fantastic. And stuff 756 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,080 is this, is this documented somewhere? Maybe audio cassette? 757 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,520 Nah, no, no, 758 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,600 not really. And the proof and the truth is, when I moved here, 759 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,800 I started, I worked in a clothing store for a while. Jana 760 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,980 worked at Dillards for a bit on the makeup counter. This is like 761 00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:47,800 Green Hills Mall, yeah, before it was all connected, this is 762 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,120 back in the day, nice. And I thought, well, I want to, I want 763 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,520 to learn all this. So I went out on the road. Well, actually, I 764 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,760 met you. Marcus. Humming was one of my first contacts. And such 765 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:57,880 an 766 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,020 amazing guy, massive songwriter, for those who don't know, in 767 00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:04,620 a freaking genius, just creative person and wonderful family. I 768 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:08,040 love Marcus, yeah. And he kind of, he kind of gave me a chance. 769 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,180 First, I played on some demos of his and played live with him for 770 00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:15,540 a while, and met some other amazing musicians in the in the 771 00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:19,500 birth of all of this, yeah. And I kind of figured out, as you 772 00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:22,040 know, you dip your toe in the business part of it then, and 773 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,160 that's when I started to the seed was planted. Of I don't 774 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,700 want to have anything to do with that. And everybody thought I 775 00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,700 would come out here and do bands and be an act and all that 776 00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:35,240 stuff. And I'm a much more behind the scenes kind of 777 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:38,840 person. It's just not, I didn't, I wasn't interested in doing 778 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:39,500 that at all. So 779 00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:43,060 bringing your strengths and musical abilities to bring a 780 00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:46,480 thing together, to create a product for someone that 781 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,480 resonated with you. What was the first recording? Doing his 782 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,840 demos? Probably doing his but then, how did that thing start 783 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:52,960 to 784 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,160 he, you know, he got a record deal for not nearly long enough. 785 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,360 He's such an amazing he was more lonely writer. He was a great 786 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,080 writer, and he's a true artist in the sense that, you know, we 787 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,320 played, I went did a van tour with him, the van and trailer 788 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,940 thing with some amazing other players. And they put us, is his 789 00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:14,640 booking agency, put us in some horrible, like, Honky Tonk 790 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,480 situations, which he is not. Yeah, the place that we played 791 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,380 that fit him was like the Birchmere in Boston. It's a 792 00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:25,280 listening room, more blue British, yeah, which you hear 793 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,760 what he's trying to say and what he's doing. And it's, that's 794 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,520 where it's at. It's not, you know, Honky Tonk, but donkey 795 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,520 donk or whatever, and no line dancing, right? He's not that 796 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,960 guy. Nothing against that play Tulsa time. Yeah, it's just, 797 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:44,620 he's not that guy. And, but, yeah, that taught me a bunch. 798 00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:47,140 And then that kind of ping pong, there was a group of people, 799 00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:50,620 some people wanted to develop what I did, and it just never 800 00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:55,120 really, I never had the real desire to take that any further. 801 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,960 And I fell into doing the session thing. Oh, I did go out 802 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,220 on the road. I did do that for about a little over a year with 803 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,320 McBride and the ride, yeah, the Wikipedia, yeah. And I still see 804 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,500 Terry occasionally. Terry McBride, he wears me out of 805 00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:11,100 that. Dude 806 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,520 was Gary Gary Morrison, the band, 807 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,760 oh my gosh, we were roomies for a while. And you talk about the 808 00:43:17,820 --> 00:43:18,540 odd couple, 809 00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:21,860 yeah, that's crazy, yeah. And then Vince gills, drummer, 810 00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:26,480 Billy, Billy Thomas. Billy Thomas, pillar of a guy. I 811 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,980 loved. All those guys. Had a lot of fun. I 812 00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:29,960 keep telling them to come on the show. I see him all the time, 813 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,420 Billy. He's like, I'm so busy with Vince. I'm like, we'll make 814 00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:35,600 it happen. Yeah? This, this is the thing is, I call in these 815 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,920 things. I make it happen. I bug people until there's 816 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,720 Yes, I'll do it. You've got some tenacity. Yeah, Mr. Redmond, 817 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:46,060 well, you know, it's like herding cats, but it is, you 818 00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:46,540 know, it's a 819 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,060 I knew that when I booked you one time we were gonna have to 820 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,020 reschedule. We only rescheduled once because you're just so 821 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,440 busy. I mean, the fact that every time I end up on a 822 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,800 session, you're doing it, you know what? I mean, it's crazy. 823 00:43:59,860 --> 00:44:00,960 Well, you're that means you're 824 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,600 doing a lot of that's very sweet. Yeah, I'm doing less than 825 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,740 I used to. Yeah, I'm feeling it begin to slow down a little bit. 826 00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:07,980 Do you 827 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,880 feel like but now so? So if it slows down, it's never going to 828 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,500 slow down, and we're just but if it continues on this like path, 829 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,220 what are you going to do in these later? Is there a thing 830 00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:23,000 that you want to do, like, compose your own music, write 831 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:29,600 for TV and film, get into another What's the thing 832 00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:33,800 for your 60s? I'm thinking about goat yoga. No, yeah. What is 833 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:42,340 that all about? So annoying. Oh, terrible, terrible dad joke. I'm 834 00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:44,920 really in the middle of that right now. Yeah, there you go. 835 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,640 He's a little late, but it's okay. Yeah, I'm literally in the 836 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,880 middle of all that right now. I'm kind of trying to figure out 837 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,100 I'm sort of redefining my life right now, 838 00:44:54,340 --> 00:44:57,700 if it's a wave of magic wand, what would it be at the 839 00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:01,860 moment? I love production. Well. I'm very much. Strangely, people 840 00:45:01,860 --> 00:45:03,060 don't know this about me. Well, this 841 00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:05,400 is another secret you're revealing on the rich Redmond 842 00:45:05,460 --> 00:45:09,600 show. Yeah, you said you do some woohoo ghost production. 843 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,880 Yeah, I do some. I do a lot of pop my actually, my love is pop 844 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,220 stuff. Yeah, I know. I play piano and early and all that, 845 00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:20,420 and there's guys in town that do it way better than me, but I 846 00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:23,780 love synthesizers and programming and all that kind of 847 00:45:23,780 --> 00:45:29,420 crazy stuff. I've always been a knob twiddler, ever since, when 848 00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:33,380 I was doing the classical thing at a university close to my 849 00:45:33,380 --> 00:45:36,560 hometown, they had a mini mogue in a closet, and I was like, 850 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,740 what is that? And they loaned me a pair of headphones, and they 851 00:45:39,740 --> 00:45:42,520 had to peel me out of there day after day, because I just 852 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,040 was fascinated with it. Well, is that the one with the you're 853 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,620 plugging in? Oh, no, I've got one of those. That's a modular, 854 00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:47,680 a 855 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,160 modular, whoa, that's at the house. And somebody used to come 856 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,500 over when I was riding a lot. They'd come over and they'd look 857 00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:53,800 at it 858 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,760 in there. Oh, it looks like one of those, any acts, or EV acts, 859 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,260 which were the first computers, takes up in a giant room. 860 00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:04,440 It's, well, it's not that big. It's pretty sizable for what it 861 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,860 is. And it's just, it's like Legos for sound. If I have time, 862 00:46:07,860 --> 00:46:11,340 I get into sound design and I can, I can nerd out modular. 863 00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:14,580 You, I'm sure had a DX seven I 864 00:46:14,580 --> 00:46:18,480 did. And by the time I really learned to program it, which the 865 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,460 interface is one slider, you find the parameter, and you push 866 00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:26,300 this button and you control it's it's a nightmare to program, but 867 00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:29,180 they sold a lot. They did it's a really, really powerful 868 00:46:29,180 --> 00:46:31,700 instrument. The interface is horrible, but by the time I 869 00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:34,220 really got to where I could program great sounds on it, you 870 00:46:34,220 --> 00:46:36,320 get laughed out of the studio. If you walked in with one, 871 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,820 they're kind of getting cool 872 00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:41,920 again. They're coming back like corduroys. They are, yeah, 873 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,900 can't sneak up on people in cords. 874 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,280 What about the Oberheim OB X, 875 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,380 massive synth, massive I didn't own one. I've got kind of a 876 00:46:50,380 --> 00:46:53,200 knockoff version of it now on a rack mount of it, ubX, it's 877 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:53,680 called, but 878 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,840 you know what that one is? Rich? Oh, yeah. 879 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,200 Did you? Did you have all your drum machines, your RX sevens 880 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,940 and your SR sixteens and your SR 18, and your 808, and your 909 881 00:47:03,540 --> 00:47:06,420 so wish I had a couple of those. I love a physical device. I 882 00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:09,120 mean, you could get all those things now in like an app for 883 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,600 $2.99 the same, not the same as playing, actually, like you 884 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,440 could play Pac Man on an iPhone. But there's not like getting 885 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:22,940 that wood paneled Atari with you get the this phallic, 886 00:47:23,180 --> 00:47:26,300 yeah, Joy. Do I want it to be harder? Let me flick on 887 00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:30,260 difficulty. Oh, my god, wow. But I mean, my brother had 888 00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:37,100 actually Pac Man over. Oh, dang. I mean, I was a Pac Man. I 889 00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:42,220 played it to the point where you go to the very end, if there is 890 00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:44,740 an end of a game I got there 891 00:47:44,799 --> 00:47:47,859 dang man, yeah, I could do that. Yeah, spend some time on that 892 00:47:47,859 --> 00:47:48,639 machine. Dude, 893 00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:53,320 how many levels of Pac Man? There was just so many. And then 894 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,960 I, then I had galaka, and then you had Centipede, and then you 895 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,960 had dig, dug, and then berserker defender, 896 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,100 Battle Zone. I love, I loved battle zone. I loved, how about 897 00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:04,500 adventure? Tempest, venture. Tempest, 898 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,960 Pitfall was cool. You're jumping over the you land on the 899 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,560 crocodile's 900 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:08,220 heads. Yeah. 901 00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:11,400 Tempest was that crazy one with that yellow thing that crawls 902 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,920 around the geometric shape, yeah. Oh, 903 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,980 it was. It was with the dial, all the orders I spent, oh, 904 00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:17,640 going up to 905 00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:21,500 Stop and Shop and playing Space Invaders, 906 00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:24,500 Stop and Shop. Oh, my God, that's Connecticut. Dude, 907 00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:25,040 totally. 908 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,860 We had the Wagga bag, yeah? Not in Mangan. We didn't have 909 00:48:27,860 --> 00:48:28,940 anything in mango. You had 910 00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:29,840 to drive to Altus. 911 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,180 Altus, yeah, Altos, yeah. My brother had a Juno 106. 912 00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:35,420 That's a good one too. Yeah, that's the class of the 80s. 913 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,440 Yeah, good. That 914 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,920 was similar. That was a less expensive version of the obi 915 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:40,540 eight, I 916 00:48:40,540 --> 00:48:43,420 believe. But, well, way less complicated than an OB eight, 917 00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:46,120 yeah, because the OBX was the jump 918 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,360 keyboard, but the current gear, he shows up with it with, with 919 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,180 a, like, a synth that's like, maybe, like three, three 920 00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:55,480 octaves, and you it's, and then you go into your MacBook, 921 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,300 well, what I show up with now is literally just a controller. 922 00:48:58,420 --> 00:49:01,860 Yeah, it's a controller. It's an 88 key controller, and it's a 923 00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:05,160 soft set, right? Yeah, a lot of it is, I still, if I if, 924 00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:07,860 depending on 90% of the time around here, I don't need to 925 00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:10,860 bring anything other than my laptop and that, because the 926 00:49:10,860 --> 00:49:15,060 studio will have, usually have an organ, usually have a piano 927 00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:18,000 or two, they might have a Rhodes or a whirly, and even if they 928 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,500 don't, I got all of that stuff covered. Anyways, yeah, even the 929 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:25,400 Oregon, which can be really rough, but I've figured out a 930 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,580 way to get and I can't even, I can't even begin to tell you how 931 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,200 many, how many freaking records my laptop, b3 has on that no one 932 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,900 could tell the difference. It's crazy. And it's, you know, it's 933 00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:38,540 hard, because getting the Leslie writes the hard part, the 934 00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:41,080 Doppler effect of the spinning, yeah, they Yeah, they Yeah, 935 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,320 yeah, that's the hardest bit, and it's coming from my laptop. 936 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,780 People cannot believe it's I'd prefer to play the real one, 937 00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:49,780 obviously virtual instruments, and they've gotten good. Back 938 00:49:49,780 --> 00:49:51,940 when they first started, they were horrible, but they've 939 00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:52,840 really gotten good. The 940 00:49:52,840 --> 00:50:00,660 last virtual thing to get better is, is electronic symbols. So a 941 00:50:00,660 --> 00:50:04,980 symbol is so complex. It's such a crazy instrument. I mean, it's 942 00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:08,460 in the Bible, you know, symbols, getting it to sound good off of 943 00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:12,840 a pad with, you know, dynamic range, especially high hats. 944 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,860 It's still is the Achilles heel of 945 00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:19,740 electronic percussion. If I'm programming drum stuff at the 946 00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:23,120 house and I want it to have hi hat. I'll drag the real hi hat 947 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,640 over and play it. There's just so many subtleties 948 00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:28,160 of the tip of the stick and the shank of the stick and opening 949 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,820 your foot pressure. And it's a gorgeous instrument. I mean, the 950 00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:37,100 hi hat is actually defines, I think, a feel of a drummer more 951 00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:37,940 than any part of the 952 00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:42,100 kit. I wish. I think nerf should make hi hats, though, because it 953 00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:44,260 seems to bleed into all the other drums. 954 00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:48,880 Yeah, there's come up with, socially, this guy came up with 955 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,280 this thing. He sent me one. I haven't used it yet. It's called 956 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,340 the hi hat husher, and it wraps around that thing. Yeah, yeah. 957 00:50:54,340 --> 00:50:57,400 So Chris McCarthy's got one, and nears got one, and I've got one 958 00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,080 sitting at the house. I just need to break it 959 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,880 out. It looks like the arm out of a 70s like van, you know, 960 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,700 like a the barrel chairs that they would have. It looks like 961 00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:08,400 that. But I probably need to buy some new hi hat symbols, because 962 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,740 the ones I have are a little too bright. They cut too much. I 963 00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:11,520 want some dark. 964 00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:15,180 Get some fifteens or 16. Everyone's went big, yeah, so 965 00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:17,820 that because they it takes up less Sonic space and leaves 966 00:51:17,820 --> 00:51:19,860 enough more space for the acoustics. 967 00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:22,940 But, you know, you said hats, it's funny, 808 my, my favorite 968 00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:25,580 drum scene of all time, not what the kids go hey, you got your 969 00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:29,540 808 it doesn't work. It's not a bass instrument. It's, it's the 970 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:34,820 Roland TR, 808 which I still wish I had one. Call it a rhythm 971 00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:38,180 composer, yeah. And that thing, there's a great documentary out 972 00:51:38,180 --> 00:51:42,400 there about the 808 Yeah. It's fantastic about the beginnings. 973 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,400 And Roland had like eight employees. And back in the early 974 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,340 days, everybody had those organs where you hit, like, Foxtrot, 975 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,140 you know, Bossa and all that stuff. And so they were wanted 976 00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:56,920 to make a rhythm machine. And they came out with the with an 977 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,720 808, and the, or maybe it was even before that. But the sound, 978 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,520 what reason? I'm sorry, blow 979 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,160 the documentary. I wrote that down. Yeah, Jim, we should look 980 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,000 it up and see if we 981 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,760 can find guy goes down there. They didn't have a lot of money. 982 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,220 They went down the street to this other big Japanese 983 00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:14,640 manufacturer of electronics, and all of the there's a, I don't 984 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,240 know if it was a transistor or capacity, something that didn't 985 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,100 come up to spec. They threw it in a bin. It was faulty, and 986 00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:25,280 Roland would buy those faulty transistors, or whatever it was 987 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,380 nice. Those are the things that made the symbol sound. So over 988 00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:33,800 time, obviously, manufacturing and design got better. They 989 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,580 parted themselves out of existence, so that that little 990 00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:41,860 high sizzle that's in an 808 symbol, that's a faulty 991 00:52:41,860 --> 00:52:42,460 electronic 992 00:52:42,460 --> 00:52:47,380 that's amazing to hear. Wow. And Roland did mighty fine. They 993 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,960 just acquired DW drums. Really, they are the parent company of 994 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,180 for DW drums. Isn't that incredible? 995 00:52:55,180 --> 00:52:59,320 Wow, crazy. I bought my first synth, my own personal synth in 996 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,460 Japan. Yeah. I bought a Korg poly 61 997 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,180 that's all I could afford. Is it? When you toured Japan with 998 00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:06,600 somebody? 999 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,480 No, I went on an exchange thing. I was going over there to in 1000 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,780 college. Actually, this was, it was a junior in high school. 1001 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,960 Wow. Yeah, it was really cool. I love those people. I 1002 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,320 really want to get to Tokyo. I've been to the outskirts, like 1003 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:24,020 small town Japan. But, you know, Tokyo, apparently, is a another 1004 00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:25,040 planet. 1005 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,400 Oh, it's massive. It's so massive. But the people are 1006 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,420 wonderful, yeah, they're respectful. And this high rise, 1007 00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:35,900 and it was called the Ginza, it's kind of like Madison Avenue 1008 00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:39,020 in Tokyo, gotcha. And they, this family I was staying with, took 1009 00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:42,880 me, and it was like eight floors of musical gear. What? So they 1010 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,400 dropped me off, and, of course, everything is just stacked up, 1011 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,560 and I came home with great use of space. Yeah, yeah. Very it's, 1012 00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:54,580 it's crazy. I came home with this weird little Drum Synth 1013 00:53:54,580 --> 00:53:59,320 that mounts on the rim of a drum and somehow triggers it had, I 1014 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,400 don't think I ever got it to come on, right, or whatever I 1015 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,500 had that. I got that poly 61 they were these people cracked 1016 00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:11,100 me up. We drive down the road and a car had passed, and it was 1017 00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:15,000 like, a Toyota Celica Supra, something like that. And then 1018 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,180 they'd go, you like, car? You know, the two sons spoke a 1019 00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:20,780 little bit of English. And I'm like, Yeah, it's cool, you know, 1020 00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:27,200 did whip into a dealership, like I'm gonna buy a car? I had all 1021 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,640 these giant piles of packets and in Japanese over I don't know 1022 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,120 what they thought, you know, but, oh, my, wonderful, 1023 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,420 wonderful, polite, just gracious people. I love them. 1024 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,440 Yeah? Love I gotta get there, got it? 1025 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,180 Yeah, you do. It's, it's amazing. 1026 00:54:43,180 --> 00:54:44,020 Never been to China, 1027 00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:47,619 nope, no, never been to China. Never been to the continent of 1028 00:54:47,619 --> 00:54:50,079 Africa. Traveled kind of everywhere else. But, 1029 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,740 yeah, Africa is, I mean, this is, 1030 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,280 you know, we're covering some topics today. That's the 1031 00:54:57,340 --> 00:55:00,780 motherland. I mean, dude, I mean, and we never. Get there, 1032 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,580 no, but Egypt is in Yeah, yeah, that stuff in Africa. Oh, you've 1033 00:55:05,580 --> 00:55:12,000 been to Egypt? Yeah, been Egypt. Yeah, you know Nick, Nick Buda. 1034 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,880 Everyone says Buddha is from South Africa. 1035 00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:18,300 Oh, yeah, you know the country, South Africa. Yeah, way to you 1036 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,800 reminding me something? How do you count off the track? I'm 1037 00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:25,160 trying to remember, because every drummer has got a 1038 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:25,580 different 1039 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,040 count off. So I'll probably go one two, yeah, 1040 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,740 very short percussive. So, so you know where the transients 1041 00:55:30,740 --> 00:55:31,100 are? Yeah, 1042 00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:34,220 yeah. So kind of like I used to watch engineers, when they punch 1043 00:55:34,220 --> 00:55:36,980 in and out, they all have a different technique. You've got 1044 00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:39,380 the ones where the button's hot. You've got the ones that are the 1045 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,520 side. Swipers. Swipers. You've got the sneak up on the remote. 1046 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,680 This is back when we were on tape machines. There's all those 1047 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,740 different Hey. Drummers all have that. I noticed the other night 1048 00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:50,740 I was working Steve Brewster, I've known forever, will not say 1049 00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:58,720 the number one. It's always two. One is never a heavy guttural, 1050 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:02,220 yeah. And you said Nick. His thing is, I think it's the 1051 00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:06,360 accent pops out on the number two. It's always one tool. It's 1052 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,060 like a toll. It's a funny little two. Listen for it. 1053 00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:11,880 Oh yeah, because that's his, that's his South African. It 1054 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,400 must be coming out. What are some other interesting 1055 00:56:14,399 --> 00:56:17,819 ones? Miles has a weird one. He seems like he's always, he goes 1056 00:56:17,819 --> 00:56:20,899 into, like a kid voice a lot when he's doing one what you 1057 00:56:20,899 --> 00:56:24,199 know, his voice is already high. Yes, so he does it sounds like a 1058 00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:24,919 little kid, like 1059 00:56:24,919 --> 00:56:28,939 miles could definitely do cartoon voiceover. Now, I can't 1060 00:56:28,939 --> 00:56:32,119 imagine you guys in a room together, because you just know, 1061 00:56:32,419 --> 00:56:34,639 if he or his dad, you have a freaking frack 1062 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,240 thing that that's that, that energy. Well, Jerry, his dad, 1063 00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:42,400 I've known him forever, and Jerry's speaking voice is 1064 00:56:42,460 --> 00:56:46,480 everything's from, like, I don't know, 2k and above and so, and 1065 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,240 he'll start this routine of, you know, I woke up with the blues 1066 00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:53,140 this morning, and he'll do this little blues lick in his voice. 1067 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,020 And I, I had a broken rib one time, and I hired him on a 1068 00:56:56,020 --> 00:56:59,380 record, and I when, and someone said something that triggered 1069 00:56:59,380 --> 00:57:02,400 him doing one of his bits. I literally ran out of the room 1070 00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:05,280 because I knew I was gonna start laughing and I might black out 1071 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,240 from pain. Oh my. But when he's when he's on, I'll be quiet. If 1072 00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:12,060 you want to see me really quiet, just have one of those guys. 1073 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,780 I'll be quiet. It's just too much. It's too much the place 1074 00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:19,080 might, might burn down. Yeah, it's too much idiocy in one 1075 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:19,500 space. 1076 00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:26,240 Yeah. No, I that's interesting. I go, I go with the short and my 1077 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,140 band gets me to do the countdown, because they play 1078 00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:34,340 Playstation hockey on the bus and so and but they bet on it, 1079 00:57:34,340 --> 00:57:37,220 so they've got heads or tails, and they choose teams or No, I 1080 00:57:37,220 --> 00:57:39,860 know it is when they choose teams, it's the thing is 1081 00:57:39,860 --> 00:57:45,400 spinning. And then I go, one two, right? And they are ready. 1082 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,280 They hit the thing. And so they go, no one does it like you. So 1083 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,980 they get me out of my bunk. We're choosing teams, and I'll 1084 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,360 go, one two, ready. And then they hit the thing, you know? 1085 00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,440 And it's like they play, 1086 00:57:56,439 --> 00:57:58,539 do you keep it in tempo, or do you throw them off? 1087 00:57:58,540 --> 00:58:00,760 Sometimes I'll throw them off, but they're waiting for that 1088 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:02,280 last percussive 1089 00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:05,940 I never did the video game thing. I had an Atari as a kid. 1090 00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:08,340 But, you know, everybody's a gamer and stuff now have no 1091 00:58:08,340 --> 00:58:09,060 interest. I don't 1092 00:58:09,060 --> 00:58:13,260 get it, just too much now, with too many dead gun buttons, duck, 1093 00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:19,320 run, grab, shoot, punch. You know, we go to the map. We were 1094 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,040 just firing 1095 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,060 on your inventory. We had a stick and a button. That's all I 1096 00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:25,460 could take. That's literally all I could take. Well, 1097 00:58:25,459 --> 00:58:28,699 also, it got pretty scary. Well, I mean, this is going back 15 1098 00:58:28,699 --> 00:58:31,879 years, which is crazy to think. But you know that game Silent 1099 00:58:31,879 --> 00:58:35,959 Hill, yeah? Wait, really scary movie about that. Look, 1100 00:58:35,959 --> 00:58:38,299 yeah, they made a movie about the video game, but basically 1101 00:58:38,299 --> 00:58:42,459 like little damaged demon children with knives coming and 1102 00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:44,019 hacking away at your legs. Horror 1103 00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:47,440 movie game like, Resident Evil. Resident Evil. That was like a 1104 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:48,100 movie. Why? 1105 00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:51,340 Yeah. Well, they made seven of them with the actress, the 1106 00:58:51,340 --> 00:58:54,040 model. What's her name? Mila JoJo bitch. Yeah, she's 1107 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,380 wonderful. I will watch those movies over and over and over 1108 00:58:56,380 --> 00:58:56,560 there. 1109 00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,560 And that's darkness in our culture already. Let's just, 1110 00:58:59,620 --> 00:59:01,620 let's get the kiddies involved. Yeah, 1111 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,680 let's turn the kids into zombies. 1112 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,800 You're saying my kids shouldn't watch The Conjuring movies. 1113 00:59:08,820 --> 00:59:13,980 Oh, my God, Annabelle is the most terrifying I've ever seen. 1114 00:59:13,980 --> 00:59:16,380 Have you heard about what happened recently? No, because 1115 00:59:16,380 --> 00:59:17,820 they're taking Annabelle on tour. 1116 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,560 The actual doll, the actual movie is based on, yes, wow. 1117 00:59:21,620 --> 00:59:25,100 And apparently, the guy who is like a ghost, supernatural 1118 00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:29,000 researcher of note from Connecticut, yeah, who, I guess 1119 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:33,740 worked with, Lorraine Warren, had a tragic, like, a colossal 1120 00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:35,720 heart attack while on the tour. 1121 00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:39,800 Well, yeah, because, and I was like, watch this. Yeah, that 1122 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,900 stuff's real. Speaking of which, all of your your website, your 1123 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,400 wiki, your marketing materials, have a wiki. Well, it says, 1124 00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:54,220 Christ follower. It's Oh, big time so, but you're so wacky. I 1125 00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:58,720 would never know. Who knows we could be wacky. I know, but, but 1126 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,280 sometimes when I just. When you lead with that, to me, it just 1127 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,040 seems like your your button is going all the way your top 1128 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,420 button is all the way up there. 1129 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,500 So that's an even more so today, the last two years, that's that 1130 01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:12,960 is really my that is my biggest focus now. So 1131 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,680 is it a thing where you do a little reading every day? 1132 01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:18,060 Definitely, 1133 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,720 yeah, do a little reading. Do a lot of reading, do a lot of 1134 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,000 praying, do a lot of thinking, do the 1135 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,180 Bible study thing. Oh, big time. That's good. Yeah, men's group, 1136 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:26,840 you do your 1137 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,260 all of it. There. All of it. You know, it's funny too, because I 1138 01:00:30,260 --> 01:00:35,180 grew up, I grew up going to church, being the good kid my my 1139 01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:37,700 older brother, God bless him. I love my brother so much. But 1140 01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:41,560 his, his health is terrible, and when he was young, he did 1141 01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,820 everything to drive my parents crazy and partied and just in 1142 01:00:45,820 --> 01:00:47,860 that part of the world, everybody knows everybody's 1143 01:00:47,860 --> 01:00:51,700 business, and got in trouble and just tried and did everything. 1144 01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:55,720 And he's really paying a hefty price for it, but I saw the wake 1145 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,560 of destruction that his lifestyle. You know, 1146 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,440 we're talking like food, booze, women, 1147 01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:05,220 all of drugs, alcohol, party, yeah, all of it. He was married 1148 01:01:05,220 --> 01:01:10,560 at 18, at a kid, just so, so full of promise, and then just 1149 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,760 wanted to be a dad and a grown up immediately. And I just 1150 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,480 thought, not gonna do that. So I was Mr. T toddler, all that 1151 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,960 stuff my whole life. I was the good kid. Yeah, that explained 1152 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,420 why I didn't have a lot of girlfriends. The parents loved 1153 01:01:23,420 --> 01:01:25,520 me, yeah, the girls were not interested because I was a 1154 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:26,420 goody, goody, you know. 1155 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,100 But always, you were the guy they complained about not being 1156 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,160 able to meet later on in life. How come I came in a nice guy, 1157 01:01:34,340 --> 01:01:36,500 yeah, you know, but then look at him. 1158 01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:43,240 But funny thing is, I'd gone to church my whole life, and Jesus 1159 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,000 was always, kind of, to be honest, was always kind of a 1160 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,860 concept, you know, we'd use the language of, you know, I have a 1161 01:01:50,860 --> 01:01:53,860 relationship with or whatever you kind of use that sort of 1162 01:01:54,220 --> 01:01:59,680 Christian ease. But in the last year and a half, it has gotten 1163 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,780 real. It's gotten really real. It's really less. It's 1164 01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:07,380 completely up ended. And my wife and I, she's actually ahead on 1165 01:02:07,380 --> 01:02:10,260 the same kind of path as me, but she's, you know, she's home 1166 01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:13,800 more, and the kids are grown, and so she's in deeper than I 1167 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,960 am, and I She's far more like I said. She's just softer and 1168 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,040 accepts things more on face value. And I have to, I have to 1169 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,160 examine it from every conceivable angle, because I'm 1170 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,800 just naturally skeptical and all of that 1171 01:02:27,799 --> 01:02:30,499 interesting. I accept things at face value. I think I'm also a 1172 01:02:30,499 --> 01:02:31,519 kind of a pushover. 1173 01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,900 I am not. I am always the flow, blah, blah, blah. 1174 01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:38,240 Then just show me where the drums are, as long as I can play 1175 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,920 the drum. Yeah, you know. But no, that's good self examination 1176 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,620 and all that stuff is so it's just, it's gotten really 1177 01:02:44,620 --> 01:02:46,060 important in the last 1178 01:02:46,060 --> 01:02:48,640 couple it is it? I mean, I'm that's why I'm kind of trying to 1179 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,700 figure out what I do now, because I've been feathering my 1180 01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:56,500 own nest for 35 years, 36 years, and I'm kind of like, what am I 1181 01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:59,020 actually here for? I know it sounds like a two thirds life 1182 01:02:59,020 --> 01:03:03,300 crisis, but it's it. The funny thing was about a year and a 1183 01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:07,380 half ago is when it really started kind of happening. I say 1184 01:03:07,380 --> 01:03:11,040 that this was a catalyst anything, uh, well, you know, 1185 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,520 obviously 2020, was horrible for everybody, yeah, and it was a 1186 01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:17,760 record setting bad year for us. Of course, the covid thing 1187 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:23,180 happened way. Our family dog had died. My we had lots of deaths 1188 01:03:23,180 --> 01:03:27,020 in the family. I found out my wife's grandmother, who had died 1189 01:03:27,020 --> 01:03:29,540 two years prior. We found out that year that she had actually 1190 01:03:29,540 --> 01:03:32,960 been killed by a serial killer. What? Yeah, I know everybody 1191 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,640 goes what? This guy in Texas was made some news. He killed at 1192 01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:42,460 least 24 to 25 people, all retired, mostly women in like 1193 01:03:42,460 --> 01:03:45,820 nursing facilities. He would pretend to be a maintenance man, 1194 01:03:45,940 --> 01:03:48,820 oh my gosh. And then he'd go in and strangle him seal their 1195 01:03:48,820 --> 01:03:52,420 jewelry. And they finally, they finally caught him. He went to 1196 01:03:52,420 --> 01:03:56,020 prison, and he got killed in prison, so he's probably in a 1197 01:03:56,020 --> 01:04:00,660 toasty spot. Oh yeah. But we found all of that out. There was 1198 01:04:00,780 --> 01:04:06,120 a legal stuff involving my late mother in law. Yeah, jana's mom 1199 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:11,340 died. It was a rough year. It was a lot, and that was kind of 1200 01:04:11,340 --> 01:04:16,020 like, you know, you get hit with all that stuff and, you know, 1201 01:04:16,020 --> 01:04:21,140 familial issues and with kids, and it's like, what, what am I 1202 01:04:21,140 --> 01:04:24,260 doing? You start really kind of examining, and out of the blue 1203 01:04:24,260 --> 01:04:27,440 God starts dropping what I call starts dropping weirdos in my 1204 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,640 life. And I mean that in the in the sweetest of sense, because I 1205 01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,820 grew up in a very legalistic background. I was to check the 1206 01:04:34,820 --> 01:04:38,780 box. Got to get it right, kind of guy. And these are people 1207 01:04:39,380 --> 01:04:42,040 that have made a huge impact, because they don't live like 1208 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,640 anybody that I know at all. Who are these people? They're like 1209 01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,000 modern day apostles, the kind of guys that literally, you if you 1210 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,600 were with one of these guys. A typical scenario, and I've used 1211 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,680 this before, is, hey, I got to stop in Walgreens. Okay? And you 1212 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,380 go in and I'm looking for deodorant, and I can't find my 1213 01:04:59,380 --> 01:05:03,060 friend. Is a hypothetical, but this is exactly the thing that 1214 01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:07,800 happens. I can't find him. I look and he's got an employee in 1215 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:14,040 the back holding crying. He's praying over them. Who does 1216 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:19,200 this, this kind of stuff, and who, what? Huh? I had this sweet 1217 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,900 Indian kid come to my house when I was doing music, one of my 1218 01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:25,100 other side hustles for faith. Hustles for Facebook, and he 1219 01:05:25,100 --> 01:05:28,820 would show up in a in an old car, and the next day, at the 1220 01:05:28,820 --> 01:05:31,160 time, I'd see him, he's in a different old, beat up car. What 1221 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,800 happened to the last car? Oh, this family needed so I gave it 1222 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,340 to him. Well, Whose car is this? Another guy just gave it to me. 1223 01:05:37,340 --> 01:05:39,740 I'm like, Where are you living? Oh, like, a yeah, they're just 1224 01:05:39,740 --> 01:05:43,900 giving cars and he literally, he moved here. God told him to move 1225 01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:46,900 here. He listened. He saved up all the money he could for like, 1226 01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:50,920 600 bucks and a suitcase, got to the airport, and then he's like, 1227 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,660 now what? So he 100% faith, wow. Now he's married, he's got kids, 1228 01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:59,020 he's doing this mission work, and he would roll up one day he 1229 01:05:59,020 --> 01:06:01,680 was late. I was like, Dude, where what's, what's going on 1230 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,160 your lace, and I'm sorry, in the mornings, I'll do Uber. And I 1231 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,520 picked up a girl this morning at a liquor store. I said, Okay. 1232 01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:12,360 Said, yeah, she had all of this hard liquor. And he's like, you 1233 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,120 gotta, you gotta put party tonight. She goes, No, I'm gonna 1234 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,760 go home. Drink all this I can because I'm killing myself 1235 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,220 today. And he drove her around for the next two and a half 1236 01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:22,460 hours and told her about Jesus and saves 1237 01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:26,360 her. Oh, she's, she said that for a reason. He is. And 1238 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,360 that's when I realized guys like him, there are no coincidences. 1239 01:06:29,420 --> 01:06:32,900 Well, he's, he's obedient very much. So, you know, I think in 1240 01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:36,680 those situations, God gives you more opportunities to be 1241 01:06:36,740 --> 01:06:40,220 obedient. That's dude, Jim. That's what I'm talking about. I 1242 01:06:40,220 --> 01:06:44,440 want. I've had now as Mr. Skeptic, I've had a few episodes 1243 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,280 of things that my rational reasoning brain cannot 1244 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,900 comprehend, and so it is completely upset the apple cart 1245 01:06:52,900 --> 01:06:56,860 and my whole life. And whatever that drug is, I want it. I want 1246 01:06:56,860 --> 01:06:59,740 to be addicted to it. And that's that's I told a guy this 1247 01:06:59,740 --> 01:07:01,920 morning, had a meeting with a guy I really admire this 1248 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,040 morning, and I said, Man, if it whatever it is now, if it 1249 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,480 doesn't have life in it, I have no interest in it at all. And 1250 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:13,440 thank God that you know. God has been he's blessed us 1251 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,820 financially. I've been investing for a really long time, and so 1252 01:07:18,180 --> 01:07:21,980 he's he's just always kept the bills paid. I've never bounced a 1253 01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:26,120 check. And I know that he's, you know, he's given. He's always 1254 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,700 come through on provision, so I don't even worry about any of 1255 01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:31,760 that stuff. It's kind of like what, you know, people say, 1256 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,760 Well, what are you what are you trying to do? And I'm like, I'm 1257 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,460 currently, I really don't know. All I know is I, I use the 1258 01:07:37,460 --> 01:07:40,580 analogy of, I want to be a glove, just an empty glove. 1259 01:07:40,580 --> 01:07:44,080 That's all I am. And I want him to fill that glove up and use it 1260 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,440 for something he's doing, if it's music, great. If he says, I 1261 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,280 want you to sell everything and move to Botswana or wherever and 1262 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,920 dig wells I'm in. Yeah, I don't care what it is. 1263 01:07:53,919 --> 01:07:56,439 Well, it's interesting the year of this, at this point of 1264 01:07:56,439 --> 01:07:59,379 reinvention, and that you're you're open to that because you 1265 01:07:59,379 --> 01:08:03,899 have made See, our skill set is one of bringing, helping, to 1266 01:08:03,899 --> 01:08:06,539 bring other people's dreams to fruition 1267 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,480 every day. I hope so 1268 01:08:09,540 --> 01:08:14,820 well we do now because, because I don't know this might, might 1269 01:08:14,820 --> 01:08:18,660 resonate with but, but I have, like, a purpose statement for my 1270 01:08:18,660 --> 01:08:21,320 life, and my purpose is to affect people in a positive way 1271 01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:25,580 and change their lives. To me, that's, I can do that with the 1272 01:08:25,580 --> 01:08:28,520 drumming. I could do that with music. I could do that through 1273 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:33,680 teaching, through education. So, so that's my why. And I, I know 1274 01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:39,980 it works. You know what I mean? So I so that gives me, you know, 1275 01:08:39,980 --> 01:08:45,400 like a purpose, a blueprint, a laser focus for the next. I 1276 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,100 don't know. I think I'm gonna, hope I get another 30 years. I 1277 01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:48,520 don't 1278 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,220 know why you wouldn't. You know, because you're one of the most 1279 01:08:51,220 --> 01:08:53,980 positive people I have ever met. Oh, I like to hear that. I 1280 01:08:53,980 --> 01:08:56,560 appreciate that, man. I mean, I know lots of good drummers, but 1281 01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,100 you, you are a unique, very unique individual. I love your 1282 01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:03,420 positivity. Well, thanks, partner. I always admire that. 1283 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:07,440 But yeah, he's God is doing weird, wacky, weird, wacky 1284 01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:07,920 stuff. 1285 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,040 Yeah, you're at this interesting crossroads. It's a chapter 1286 01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:11,400 that's, 1287 01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,620 honestly, that's what gets me out of bed in the morning. Now, 1288 01:09:13,620 --> 01:09:16,560 is learning, because I figured out that what I thought I had a 1289 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,380 lock on what the whole religion thing looked like, and it ain't 1290 01:09:19,380 --> 01:09:22,700 about any of it. Yeah, it's, it's just about its relationship 1291 01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:26,000 has nothing to do with the, really, the religiosity, which 1292 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:31,280 is what was my whole, you know, the dogma, yeah, I'm having to 1293 01:09:31,340 --> 01:09:35,840 unlearn so many things, yeah. And it's, it's just, it's 1294 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:36,680 amazing. It's, 1295 01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,240 I mean, in that situation, even with my kids growing up, they 1296 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,180 went to, like, a Christian camp one summer. Yeah, and they're 1297 01:09:43,180 --> 01:09:45,280 like, Dad, we want to be baptized. And I was like, I 1298 01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,620 don't think you need to, because you don't know why you're doing 1299 01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:48,460 it. Yeah, I don't 1300 01:09:48,460 --> 01:09:51,460 know why. Yeah, I recently got baptized again. I was as a kid 1301 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,760 about 11, because I thought, hey, it's something I need to 1302 01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,060 do. And I was terrified. That's what my friends are doing. Yeah? 1303 01:09:58,060 --> 01:10:00,960 Well, it went so much to that I've always been. Me, but it was 1304 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,260 still like, this is the right thing to do. Mom and dad will 1305 01:10:04,260 --> 01:10:09,240 definitely be pleased. And I was terrified, right? And I did it 1306 01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:13,620 this year on Easter. Again, it's kind of like a re up. I wanted 1307 01:10:13,620 --> 01:10:16,080 to mark the day because I really understand it now. Yeah, where 1308 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:20,300 do you go to church? Well, I've go to two right now, one on 1309 01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:23,660 Wednesdays and one on Sundays. We, I've been teaching the kids 1310 01:10:23,660 --> 01:10:27,260 at Fellowship Bible over on Concord road years and years. 1311 01:10:27,620 --> 01:10:31,280 And so we've been members there by the YMCA right there. No, 1312 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,740 it's right upon the there's like three big there's a Brentwood 1313 01:10:33,740 --> 01:10:37,520 Baptist is up there. Oh yeah, ours looks like a horse barn. 1314 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,860 There's a bunch of there. And then there's the another one, 1315 01:10:40,340 --> 01:10:43,480 anyways, try to Franklin Road and Concord road, right there. 1316 01:10:43,540 --> 01:10:46,720 Gotcha. And so then we'd finished, we'd go to, like, 1317 01:10:46,780 --> 01:10:49,540 early service. A lot of times. We'd teach the kids. This year 1318 01:10:49,540 --> 01:10:51,820 it was fifth grade. And I love all these kids. They're so 1319 01:10:51,820 --> 01:10:54,880 great. And then we would dash over to this little church that 1320 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:59,680 don't even have a sign. And it's, it's a very much a It's 1321 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,160 bananas. First time I went, I was like, I don't know about 1322 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,760 these people, it was, there was a guy lying in the floor. There 1323 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:06,480 was a woman in the 1324 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:08,940 back tongue speaking in tongues, all this stuff. 1325 01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:13,620 And I'm like, what is happening, man? Because, you know, and but 1326 01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,400 what started all this to kind of give you some history. After the 1327 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,200 crazy year, my wife is really getting involved. And we get 1328 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,800 into a whole row one morning over the prophetic and I wasn't 1329 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,040 hip to what even that was. And I'm like, is this some kind of, 1330 01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,740 like psychic ability stuff? And she's talking, so I'm arguing. 1331 01:11:30,740 --> 01:11:33,260 I'm like, I don't believe it. And she said, Well, there's a 1332 01:11:33,260 --> 01:11:36,380 church five minutes from here that has a psychic, oh, not 1333 01:11:36,380 --> 01:11:39,320 psychic, sorry, wow. Has a prophetic ministry. I'm like, 1334 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,120 what time? So I was trying to shut her up. I went over there 1335 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:48,160 to win an argument, yeah. And y'all, I sit down. I've never I 1336 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,820 was dressed like I am now. I don't scream musician. And you 1337 01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:53,860 know, they said, You have a phone to record this with. I 1338 01:11:53,860 --> 01:11:56,320 thought, Okay, that's cool. She said, this may not mean anything 1339 01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,740 to me or whatever. It may not mean anything to you now, but 1340 01:11:59,740 --> 01:12:02,820 let's go ahead and record it. I thought, well, that's cool. And 1341 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,720 she's prays for about 20 seconds, and then launches in, 1342 01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,920 and what she starts describing is stuff that I have dealt with 1343 01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,180 personally, like in my mind for 20 years. She's reading my mail, 1344 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,760 and it's like two or three people, and they start talking. 1345 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,380 It's always in sort of a parable way, but I knew exactly what 1346 01:12:21,380 --> 01:12:24,020 they were talking about. And I'm trying not to give them a tell, 1347 01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:27,620 like, Oh, this is a trick, you know. Needless to say, I was 1348 01:12:27,620 --> 01:12:31,220 fully freaked out, yeah? And that's when I knew, that's the 1349 01:12:31,340 --> 01:12:34,460 that was to kick the door open, because I thought, okay, there's 1350 01:12:34,460 --> 01:12:36,500 way more going on here than I 1351 01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:39,200 thought. A prophetic ministry, interesting, 1352 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,800 yeah? And it's, all, you know, uplifting stuff. And there, I 1353 01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,960 know there's right now, there's people like, I don't believe any 1354 01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,020 of that garbage, because I was that guy. Yeah, I was totally 1355 01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:52,360 that guy. And for whatever reason, he knows how dubious I 1356 01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:57,220 am of all of that stuff. And that was the moment that it 1357 01:12:57,220 --> 01:13:00,040 started, the question, the big question mark popped up. And 1358 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,920 from then, it has been story after story after story. Of just 1359 01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,520 weird. I feel like I'm living in an X Files episode, yeah, and 1360 01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,660 it's been awesome because God's got a funny sense of humor. And 1361 01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:15,060 now, when I tell people these things that are going on, like 1362 01:13:15,180 --> 01:13:19,020 some of my little stories, to anyone on past, I know they look 1363 01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:22,520 at me like, rose just lost its mind. He's losing 1364 01:13:22,519 --> 01:13:27,079 it. Do other people that you've known for 30 years see something 1365 01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:27,739 different in you? 1366 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,440 You know, I don't know. I think some people are like, yeah, you 1367 01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:32,960 seem different, because I'm definitely a different person I 1368 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,880 was a year ago. Wow. Oh, definitely, 1369 01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,300 yeah, man, holy cow. Well, I'm glad you're that's happening. 1370 01:13:38,780 --> 01:13:39,140 Oh, it's, 1371 01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:43,240 it's crazy. It's so much fun and so crazy. I still, I still have 1372 01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,660 my days, but yeah, then he'll do something and just blow my mind. 1373 01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,900 I feel like, yeah, I ever tell you the story about the 1374 01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:54,100 Salvation Army when I was working for mix 92 nine? No, so 1375 01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,580 I had it that we, at the time, I was working for a group of radio 1376 01:13:57,580 --> 01:14:00,780 stations here in town, and we did a lot of video, and I went 1377 01:14:00,780 --> 01:14:04,620 with Anna Marie Ritter over to the Salvation Army right before 1378 01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,400 Thanksgiving for the Angel Tree program, where all the people 1379 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,800 basically submitted their stories and applications to be 1380 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:15,180 recipients of gifts so they could give their kids Christmas 1381 01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:18,900 and stuff like that because they didn't have the money. And we 1382 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,120 interviewed this one woman, and while I'm looking at her through 1383 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:27,500 my viewfinder, I feel this like, I kid you not, like a weight on 1384 01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:31,760 my shoulders and and it's, I'm gonna get weepy talking about 1385 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:32,660 this. It's okay, but 1386 01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:36,620 tell her I love her. And I'm like, 1387 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:39,560 I'm looking around, going, 1388 01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,620 Okay, I don't know where that came from. You're supposed to 1389 01:14:44,620 --> 01:14:49,720 tell this person, yes, yeah, and I didn't. So we kept on bouncing 1390 01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,560 around to different people. And believe it or not, she kept on 1391 01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:57,520 popping up on my periphery every time, no matter I was focused on 1392 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,120 a group of kids outside. And finally, after about three. Or 1393 01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:04,080 four instances of this. We're interviewing some people, and 1394 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,860 there she is, right in my left periphery. And I every night the 1395 01:15:07,860 --> 01:15:11,940 weight got heavier and heavier and, like, I was literally, 1396 01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:17,220 like, hunching over just trying to keep myself upright. And 1397 01:15:17,220 --> 01:15:22,880 finally, I'm like, fine, right, right. Okay, you know I got it. 1398 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,800 So I go up to this woman. I said, Hey, remember Me Before 1399 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,140 You know I was she's like, Oh yeah, you want the camera and 1400 01:15:30,260 --> 01:15:35,240 everything. Said, yeah, I gotta tell you something. I don't 1401 01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,000 normally do this. This is just something. I feel like I need to 1402 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,380 tell you this, but I feel like God needs to let you know that 1403 01:15:41,380 --> 01:15:46,060 you're loved and that he loves you, and she just Niagara Falls. 1404 01:15:46,900 --> 01:15:48,880 And as soon as I said it, I was like, 1405 01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:53,380 interesting. I kid you not, dude. So he's kind of, that's 1406 01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:55,480 how he happened. He's kind of whispering in your 1407 01:15:55,480 --> 01:15:58,600 ear. Okay, you're gonna think this is funny. That is what my 1408 01:15:58,660 --> 01:16:02,520 son does. Now it's all of this craziness has spilled over onto 1409 01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,940 him, but that is the exact thing I've been with him. So he hears 1410 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,540 he gets this prompting, whatever it is he wait, is how you 1411 01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:13,260 described it. Yeah, I'll butcher this story. I'll gotta be quick. 1412 01:16:13,260 --> 01:16:16,320 My middle son is my outdoorsman. The kid loves if he's not 1413 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,960 hunting, shooting something, fishing, he's just not happy. 1414 01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:23,360 And he and a friend who, all of his friends are great, but this 1415 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,780 kid's non believer. But they they love to fish the caning. 1416 01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:31,580 They go trout fishing, good fishermen. And his buddies got a 1417 01:16:31,580 --> 01:16:35,600 boat, and they love and they go like every weekend, nearly So, 1418 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,660 on one occasion, not too long ago, and I'm going to butcher 1419 01:16:38,660 --> 01:16:42,160 this story. And he's, he'll kill me. But anyway, they were coming 1420 01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,440 back, and they love to stop on the east side of town. Maybe 1421 01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:47,080 it's in Lebanon. There's a lot of burger out there. Oh, yeah. 1422 01:16:47,140 --> 01:16:50,440 And so they stopped on the way back. They go in to get their 1423 01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:52,900 hamburgers and fries and stuff. And they they were sitting 1424 01:16:52,900 --> 01:16:56,260 outside on the tables outside before it got too ridiculously 1425 01:16:56,260 --> 01:16:59,380 hot like it is now. And this hits him. And this happens. I've 1426 01:16:59,380 --> 01:17:01,780 been with him on occasion when it's this has happened, and I 1427 01:17:01,780 --> 01:17:04,380 can just tell he gets this. Gets this look like, oh, no, I've got 1428 01:17:04,380 --> 01:17:07,200 to do this. Yeah, it's this pressure. And he's like, it's so 1429 01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,680 uncomfortable for him. And of course, his buddy has no idea 1430 01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,320 what's happening. He goes, give me a second, and he's supposed 1431 01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,320 to go inside and talk to this guy that's inside. Whataburger. 1432 01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:20,720 Okay? So he walks in, this guy's there with his wife or 1433 01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,720 girlfriend or whatever, and he says, sir, I'm sorry. I don't 1434 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,560 want to interrupt you here, but this is going to sound crazy, 1435 01:17:28,100 --> 01:17:31,700 but I feel like, Holy Spirit whatever is telling me that I 1436 01:17:31,700 --> 01:17:34,820 don't know if you just got a new job or whatever, but I'm 1437 01:17:34,820 --> 01:17:38,600 supposed to tell you, keep it up. You're doing a great job. 1438 01:17:39,140 --> 01:17:42,640 Stay with it. Wow. And the wife, or whatever opens her mouth, 1439 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:47,200 like, looks at him, at her husband, or whoever, like what. 1440 01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,020 And he kind of looks at my son, and he's like, Okay, well, thank 1441 01:17:50,020 --> 01:17:52,480 you very much. I needed to hear that, or whatever. So he's like, 1442 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,840 you know, good. He goes and finishes his hamburger. They 1443 01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,380 throw their trash away. And as he's walking back to the truck, 1444 01:18:00,100 --> 01:18:03,600 a white pickup is comes roaring up, and this kid's roughly my 1445 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:08,280 son's age, goes, Hey, come here, and waves him over. And of 1446 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,480 course, my son, sailor, is like, what is happening now? And as he 1447 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:15,960 approaches this kid, this kid's he's roughly his age, he starts 1448 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,680 crying. And he's like, what is happening? And he said, Man, I 1449 01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,060 drove 40 miles out of the way to eat here tonight. I never come 1450 01:18:23,060 --> 01:18:25,940 this way. I just felt like I should. I had to come to 1451 01:18:25,940 --> 01:18:29,600 Whataburger. Big plug for Whataburger. Yeah, I had to come 1452 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,900 here tonight. And it's weird because I just felt compelled to 1453 01:18:32,900 --> 01:18:36,140 come. And I've always wondered if things like what I saw. And 1454 01:18:36,140 --> 01:18:39,860 it turns out he was inside. Were other people around, I guess, 1455 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,900 and Sailor paid him no mind at all, but he said, I always 1456 01:18:43,900 --> 01:18:47,320 wondered if stuff like that actually happened. And he said, 1457 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,860 You have no idea how much that means to me. And that was 1458 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,920 devastating. I mean, my son was just like, wow. I thought this 1459 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,860 was for that person. Turns out it was. There are other people 1460 01:18:56,860 --> 01:19:01,260 that it was for within Well, yeah, and that's the kind of he 1461 01:19:01,260 --> 01:19:04,440 deals with that stuff. That's cool. And, I mean, I could, we 1462 01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:07,080 don't, you don't have the podcast time of all the 1463 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,200 wackiness that's happening, that's crazy, yeah, yeah. But 1464 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:14,100 it's, it's gotten it's real, so it's real real. Now, 1465 01:19:14,220 --> 01:19:17,160 that's how Hallie happened. Who's Hallie? My daughter, my 1466 01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:18,060 third daughter. That was 1467 01:19:18,059 --> 01:19:19,979 that you what you got amorous that night, 1468 01:19:19,980 --> 01:19:23,480 or something? No, no, no. It wasn't like anything that I was 1469 01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:26,360 against having a third child. I just wanted to keep it at two. 1470 01:19:26,420 --> 01:19:29,900 Oh, she got whispered too, and Courtney was she's like, well, I 1471 01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:32,480 just feel like we need three. And I'm like, No, I said I've 1472 01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:35,960 seen, you know, the second child was a little bit more difficult, 1473 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,660 Spencer, and it took a toll 1474 01:19:38,660 --> 01:19:40,900 or three. You got to switch up your defense. You got to go 1475 01:19:40,900 --> 01:19:44,140 zone, right? Man to man. So 1476 01:19:44,139 --> 01:19:47,859 we had, you know, I was coming around the bend of Saturn 1477 01:19:47,859 --> 01:19:50,619 Parkway on the 65 coming home from work, and this is, like, 1478 01:19:50,619 --> 01:19:55,239 months long, and she had finally, like, just given it up 1479 01:19:55,239 --> 01:19:57,939 and was just going to be okay. Have to be learning to be okay 1480 01:19:57,939 --> 01:20:02,039 with just two as I'm. Sounding that curve I hear, give her what 1481 01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:02,699 she wants. 1482 01:20:04,620 --> 01:20:05,760 Wow. Jim, 1483 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,220 okay, just out of the blue. Out of the blue. Yeah, 1484 01:20:08,700 --> 01:20:11,520 you're on the way to the vasectomy, and you heard the 1485 01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:16,620 I go to, you know, I come home, and I said, so this is what 1486 01:20:16,620 --> 01:20:19,680 happened. Told her, she started crying, and she's like, well, 1487 01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,440 that's funny, because today was, I was just reserved today, it 1488 01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:24,920 wouldn't have today it wouldn't happen. Wow, today I just made 1489 01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,800 my decision that it wasn't going to happen and I would have to be 1490 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,920 okay with it, yeah, and reconcile it. I said, No, we're 1491 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,320 supposed to do this. And within a month, 1492 01:20:33,740 --> 01:20:36,080 you're like, boom, let's start right now, some 1493 01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:42,220 of that homemade sourdough, and go upstairs, specifically 1494 01:20:42,220 --> 01:20:44,080 whenever she drank vodka. Oh yeah, 1495 01:20:45,460 --> 01:20:47,980 that's a good thing. Hey. So just this is incredible and 1496 01:20:47,980 --> 01:20:51,400 everything. But just so we could say we had a music podcast. Who 1497 01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:53,680 were your favorite keyboard players, who was like an 1498 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,260 inspiration to you? Or was there a band that was an inspiration? 1499 01:20:56,260 --> 01:20:56,380 Oh 1500 01:20:56,440 --> 01:21:00,780 my gosh, no. I'm a total weirdo, because, like all of the 1501 01:21:00,780 --> 01:21:03,720 musician, music that everybody is supposed to, you know, you 1502 01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,840 don't like Steely Dan, yeah, it's fine, whatever. Yeah, it's, 1503 01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,960 it's too it's like, get jazz guys that just like, we want 1504 01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,900 more girls. So, yeah, they mixed rock with their Jazz, or 1505 01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:14,640 whatever, got into it, yeah, rock, yeah. 1506 01:21:15,900 --> 01:21:18,180 I've always obviously, well, I mean, 1507 01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:23,240 anything like synth heavy stuff. I've been like a Depeche Mode 1508 01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:27,320 fan for years. Of course, the 80s, when I graduated high 1509 01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,740 school at 85 was the epicenter of, like, synth wave and all 1510 01:21:30,740 --> 01:21:32,960 that kind of stuff. Now there's a lot of bad stuff. 1511 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,500 Aha, Kaji, goo, goo. You know, Wang, Chung. 1512 01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:39,440 It became, it became cool to tote around a keyboard back 1513 01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:42,700 then. But there's something about like, when I was on the 1514 01:21:42,700 --> 01:21:47,020 road, I remember buying everybody was listening to sting 1515 01:21:47,020 --> 01:21:51,640 10 summoners tales like crazy, seminal. It's just wonderful 1516 01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:57,040 record. And that's at the same time that I was reading about 1517 01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,560 producers and all their impact and stuff. And there's this 1518 01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,240 famous British producer they call flood, which is a nickname, 1519 01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,000 because I think he dumped a bunch of a drink into a console 1520 01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:10,080 or something. Oh, my God, it's horrible, yeah. But floods done 1521 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:14,040 a lot of really pivotal records for people. But Depeche Mode 1522 01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,040 went to him and said, We want to make a record. That's like, you 1523 01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:21,620 too. And then you too, unknown to them, had gone to flood and 1524 01:22:21,620 --> 01:22:25,100 said, We want to make a record that's like Depeche Mode. So you 1525 01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:30,800 get zeropa from YouTube, right? And songs of faith and devotion 1526 01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:36,200 was Depeche Mode. And that's, it's a really dark layer, layer 1527 01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,480 upon layer and layer. So it's not that squeaky, bouncy, you 1528 01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:44,980 know, weird synth, pop junk. It's got a rock and roll 1529 01:22:45,220 --> 01:22:48,460 attitude about it, yeah. But it's, you know, it's like, I 1530 01:22:48,460 --> 01:22:51,100 know what a great distorted guitar sound. I'm a huge ACDC 1531 01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:55,120 fan. That's two guitars, bass and drums done this are those 1532 01:22:55,120 --> 01:23:00,960 textures and colors that elicit those same sort of feelings and 1533 01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,020 depth and power, but it's done just, like, what is that 1534 01:23:04,019 --> 01:23:06,779 saying? Yeah, like, Gary Newman, after he did cars, you know, 1535 01:23:06,779 --> 01:23:10,139 Baba, oh, yeah, he got really good and did some, like, really 1536 01:23:10,139 --> 01:23:10,979 kind of intense. 1537 01:23:10,980 --> 01:23:13,920 He was a punk man, and he saw since in a studio, and it got 1538 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,540 filling with he's like, what is that? And 1539 01:23:15,540 --> 01:23:18,420 all the Nine Inch Nails stuff, I think is epic, you know? I mean, 1540 01:23:18,420 --> 01:23:21,260 some, it's a little darker subject matter, but it's just so 1541 01:23:21,260 --> 01:23:25,520 well done. Yeah, I really like that stuff and and then just in 1542 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,340 closing, you know, I mean, you're at a crossroads in your 1543 01:23:28,340 --> 01:23:30,800 life, where you might be doing less of this. You're looking 1544 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,900 back at this massive body of work, you know, you're all 1545 01:23:32,900 --> 01:23:36,980 music.com is so if somebody is just graduating from Musicians 1546 01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:40,040 Institute, or North Texas State or Berkeley, they're coming 1547 01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:40,600 here, 1548 01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,020 what do they do? How do they get into it? 1549 01:23:44,740 --> 01:23:48,400 From my perspective, what are the skill sets? Well, the studio 1550 01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,360 thing is definitely different. Yeah, I love how this town is 1551 01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:56,200 very open to having people just hang out and watch the process 1552 01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,320 go down. Yeah, they're open sessions. Yeah, they and 1553 01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,460 everybody's been very, very friendly. And I've had young 1554 01:24:02,460 --> 01:24:04,860 guys, you know, that want to do this, come to me, and I'm more 1555 01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:07,620 than happy to talk to them. I had a couple of guys kind of 1556 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,680 help me early on, and sort of said, well, you know, you can 1557 01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,200 expect this. And like, when I was doing a lot of writing, 1558 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,700 wrote a few 100 songs few years ago, and it was the same kind of 1559 01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:20,460 thing, lyrics, oh yeah, you got it. You got to just get in it. 1560 01:24:20,460 --> 01:24:23,840 You got to jump in and head for everybody else and be a good 1561 01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:30,020 person, and, you know, be willing to take some shots and 1562 01:24:30,020 --> 01:24:32,900 put in the hours. That's kind of what it takes. And you can be 1563 01:24:32,900 --> 01:24:36,200 super, super gifted player, but it's, I would say, it's more 1564 01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,860 about the hang than anything else. It's not what is it's not 1565 01:24:39,860 --> 01:24:42,340 what you play. It's what you don't play. Yeah, it's the 1566 01:24:42,340 --> 01:24:45,580 space between the notes. Yeah, I noticed all the things, you 1567 01:24:45,580 --> 01:24:47,860 know, but I mean, you did it, and you're doing it at the 1568 01:24:47,860 --> 01:24:50,020 highest level, and whenever I see you walk in the room, I'm 1569 01:24:50,020 --> 01:24:52,780 like, Alright, it's gonna be a great day. Which is, which is an 1570 01:24:52,780 --> 01:24:56,680 awesome, awesome thing. And sweet, if people want to do you 1571 01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,500 like to be found roach. Sounds calm. People can contact you 1572 01:24:59,500 --> 01:25:03,480 through there. Yeah, roach sounds.com, that's Jeff roach. 1573 01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:07,200 And then Jim, I think that you should ask your question. This 1574 01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:08,460 is your question, 1575 01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:12,540 my question. So if you had to choose a band to be a tribute 1576 01:25:12,540 --> 01:25:16,200 band and be in and it's the only music and you can play for the 1577 01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:20,900 rest of your life over and over again, what band would you 1578 01:25:20,900 --> 01:25:25,220 tribute? Wow, maybe it's the Peshmerga. It's like one 1579 01:25:25,220 --> 01:25:27,740 decision, you got to lock it in and you're, yeah, that's a tough 1580 01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:28,040 one. 1581 01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,800 It's Pro. Well, it i My favorite artist of all time, Stevie 1582 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,640 Wonder. Okay, so if I could, if I could just be a fly on 1583 01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,480 Stevie's? Well, I could, since you can't see me anyway. Gosh, 1584 01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:44,680 see there, what I did. Are you talking about the I just called 1585 01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,000 to say I love you period of his 1586 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,980 career. No, go back. Okay. Sorry, 70s, 1587 01:25:48,340 --> 01:25:52,420 yeah. 76 is about my favorite inner vision. Yeah, songs in the 1588 01:25:52,540 --> 01:25:54,340 Duke, yeah, come on. 1589 01:25:54,580 --> 01:25:57,940 I played that the other day. It came on my playlist. Yes, 1590 01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,460 microphones. It's just the attitude of it 1591 01:26:02,460 --> 01:26:05,100 just funny. You say that. I think it's like, you know you I 1592 01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:08,040 need to introduce you to my brother. And actually, as we 1593 01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:08,520 were talking 1594 01:26:08,519 --> 01:26:10,859 about Boogie On reggae, woman, all the 1595 01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:14,760 faith stuff and everything, I pulled up a video that he did, 1596 01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,960 and I felt like compelled, like this, you need to hear this. 1597 01:26:19,140 --> 01:26:21,740 It's like a testimony that he gave. I'd love to hear. And I 1598 01:26:21,740 --> 01:26:24,620 feel like, I'll send him the link. Yeah, my brother, last 1599 01:26:24,620 --> 01:26:26,660 time he was here, he's, I was like, you know what's, what's 1600 01:26:26,660 --> 01:26:29,720 kind of an artist that I would have no idea that you like? And 1601 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,120 he said, Stevie. One, oh, my God, oh, he's my, he's my and 1602 01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:33,620 he's my brother's a boogie woogie piano 1603 01:26:33,620 --> 01:26:36,680 guy. That's funny. I just love the soul of Stevie. He just 1604 01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,500 unchanged it when I was writing with these pop girls. One, I'll 1605 01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:42,040 never forget this. I know I'm old school. They 1606 01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,160 didn't know who Stevie Wonder was. Well, close gotcha, one was 1607 01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:45,880 20 and one 1608 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,240 was 21 and I'm kind of they were both lyricists. So I said, I'm 1609 01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:52,360 gonna work on the track, and this was my pop stuff, and I 1610 01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,520 could hear them back there humming melodies, and every so 1611 01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,160 often, and I've told this story a million times, I'm working on 1612 01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,560 the beat or whatever, and I turn around and I just said, Cat 1613 01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:03,600 Stevens. A few minutes later, Paul Simon and I knew, after a 1614 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,720 few of these that they had no idea who I was talking about, so 1615 01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,200 I said, Hey, let's let's stop for a second. I need to talk to 1616 01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,780 you guys. You want to be in the music industry and you don't 1617 01:27:12,780 --> 01:27:15,840 know who these people are? Yes. So I started playing them songs, 1618 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,840 and it was like that 80s bad horror movie scanners. I thought 1619 01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,220 their brain was going to explode. So I played him a few 1620 01:27:22,220 --> 01:27:25,040 songs, and then we went back to work, and I hear him whispering 1621 01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,640 again about 20 minutes later, I'm like, what would you make us 1622 01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,820 a playlist? And I said, You know what I'll do. I've never made a 1623 01:27:31,820 --> 01:27:34,760 playlist yet. I'll make one for me, and I'll just share it with 1624 01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:40,960 you, and it's chock full of Stevie and Otis Redding and Nina 1625 01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,920 Simone, nice Bill Withers and, you know, and then stuff from 1626 01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:45,820 the 80s. Is it an 1627 01:27:45,820 --> 01:27:49,300 easy link that you can share with us? Well, let's see. It's a 1628 01:27:49,299 --> 01:27:52,479 Spotify playlist, right? Yeah, I don't even know if it's posted. 1629 01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:53,079 I call it 1630 01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,840 music. That made me It's awesome, literally, yeah, is 1631 01:27:56,860 --> 01:28:00,460 Wichita lineman. Wow. It's everything from Wichita lineman 1632 01:28:00,460 --> 01:28:02,100 to the cult she sells sanctuary, 1633 01:28:02,099 --> 01:28:04,439 yeah, make sure you make sure you get my contact, and I'll put 1634 01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:05,879 it in the notes, all right, yeah. Will do 1635 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,480 Yeah. And it's so fun, like 240 songs on there now, and it keeps 1636 01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:11,880 growing. I love that. Some of them are one hit wonders that I 1637 01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,180 don't even like. But you know how music is the moment I hear 1638 01:28:15,180 --> 01:28:18,660 it. I know exactly where you were. I remember the sights, the 1639 01:28:18,660 --> 01:28:22,700 smells, everything about it. I love that. Yeah, me too. And at 1640 01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:23,240 my age, that's 1641 01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:26,180 important. But I also love the one. I love the one hit wonders 1642 01:28:26,180 --> 01:28:30,140 of the 70s, the Rupert Holmes, you know, if you like pina 1643 01:28:30,140 --> 01:28:33,080 colada, yeah, I love the one hit wonders, man, 1644 01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:38,120 you remember m? Who is that? It's letter M, dong, a dong, 1645 01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:43,960 dong dong, Duca. Dong, dong, pop, pop, pop, yeah, that was 1646 01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,840 his once seventh grade cheerleaders did a whole routine 1647 01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,100 to that in the junior high gym. 1648 01:28:48,099 --> 01:28:51,279 And then who was, you know, Oh, Mickey, you're so fine. She was 1649 01:28:51,279 --> 01:28:53,619 great. Oh yeah. She was a, she was a choreographer. 1650 01:28:55,060 --> 01:28:56,800 Tony Basil, that's right, 1651 01:28:58,120 --> 01:28:59,620 a male first name. It's crazy. 1652 01:28:59,620 --> 01:29:01,980 Maybe we can, we can get some more kind of like games that we 1653 01:29:01,980 --> 01:29:04,260 could play on the show with some of these one hit wonders and 1654 01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,620 stuff, we'll quiz our guests. Yeah, this was very great today, 1655 01:29:07,620 --> 01:29:10,440 buddy. I knew it was fun. So easy. Just wind you 1656 01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:14,880 up and oh, do I can bloviate for hours. I'm a quiet, loquacious 1657 01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:15,540 young man. 1658 01:29:15,900 --> 01:29:20,540 Jeff, roach in the house. Roach sounds.com thanks for making the 1659 01:29:20,540 --> 01:29:23,120 trip to Spring Hill, buddy. Thank you guys, Jim, thanks for 1660 01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,700 your time and talent. Yes, sir. And to all the listeners, thanks 1661 01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:28,100 for listening. Thanks for watching. Spread the word. 1662 01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:31,400 Subscribe, Share, rate and review those cameras on the 1663 01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,820 show. There's cameras everywhere. Smokes. It's like 1664 01:29:34,820 --> 01:29:38,660 George Orwell, yeah, we'll see you next time. Thanks, Jeff, 1665 01:29:38,660 --> 01:29:39,200 thanks, Jim, 1666 01:29:39,860 --> 01:29:44,620 this has been the rich Redmond show. Subscribe, rate and follow 1667 01:29:44,620 --> 01:29:48,640 along at rich redmond.com forward, slash podcasts. You.