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Matt: Do you hear that sound?

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Alison: Crickets?

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Are you integrating sound effects?!

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Dreams do come true.

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Matt: Dreams come true.

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They do.

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Oh, wait.

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Oh, just you wait, just, it's
gonna get buck wild up in here.

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Alison: Oh, I'm so excited.

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Matt: How are you my friend?

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I've been thinking about you this week.

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Alison: Uh, yeah, it's not been my
favorite week in the spirit of honesty...

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Matt: yeah.

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Alison: ...and full disclosure.

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For anybody listening who's not my
friend on Facebook or Instagram.

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Um, I had to say goodbye to my
wonderful 17 year old cat last week,

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my sweet little Maggie and that sucked.

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Matt: Oh,

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Alison: There's just no,
no other way around it.

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Matt: Never a time where that's cool.

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Alison: Do not recommend.

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Um, so yeah, just been laying low
this week and cuddling my other

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little snuggle bun, Coney Bear,

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Um, and trying against all of my best
efforts to take it easy and take it

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slow, which is very hard for me to do.

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Matt: Yeah.

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Cuz that's the other thing is that
you were supposed to have this week

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off, you were supposed to go to Maine.

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Alison: Mm-hmm  I am
not in Maine right now.

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I am in Charlotte, North
Carolina, but it's okay.

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I figured Maine will always be there.

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I hope, I hope, you know, if any
of the, you know, Continental

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US falls off into the ocean.

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And floats away.

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Maine is not my pick.

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Dear Ocean take Florida take Texas.

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Matt: Mm-hmm.

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Alison: So, so yeah, so I, I
adapted, I changed my plans.

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I, uh, bailed out of my vacation.

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Um, and I stayed home and attempted
to rest, but worked more instead.

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Matt: Oh, bummer.

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Alison: Go ahead and play
the womp womp womp sound.

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Matt: Oh, that's the wrong sound.

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Oh man.

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Alison: You gotta laugh.

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You have to laugh.

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Matt: You gotta laugh.

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Um, not a, not a fun week.

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I know.

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I know, but it's, you know, I think
it has just been, it's just been

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hard on  everybody, I don't know
why it's just something in the air.

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Alison: Truly.

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Matt: Something about August.

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Alison: Yeah, we're in the, in between
where it we're all tired of summer and

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it's not quite fall, but the kids have
already gone back to school and we're

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just seeing, you know, all these different
shifts in ours and our loved ones lives.

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Matt: We're in the upside down.

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Alison: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We are.

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Matt: I think I may, maybe I forget
every year that, that it's August

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is a little bit like that because
I have great things to celebrate.

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Um, next week is my 10th year anniversary.

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Alison: Double digits!

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Matt: Yeah, I know.

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I

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Alison: That's amazing.

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Matt: I can't even believe it can't
even, Uh, well, no, that's not true.

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I can totally believe it.

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I can

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Alison: Those of us who have met
your wife could totally believe it.

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Matt: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Alison: As per usual, I have a sweet
little outline for today that we

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are welcome to ignore or keep to.

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We'll see, we'll see how it goes.

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You know, this, everything
this week is just up in the

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air in some great experiments.

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So we'll just, we'll see.

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Um, but, but first but first, Matt,
but first, do you know what time it is?

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Matt: Don't have

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Alison: Oh my goodness.

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Matt: ready to bed.

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Alison: Um, your, uh,
links for you are in Slack.

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Matt: Yes, I actually, I saw it and I
opened it and then I closed it again.

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I was like, I'm so excited.

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I'm oh, I just got no,
I've got it right here.

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Alison: We are just walking tropes
of ourselves most of the time.

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Matt: Gonna be super trope-tastic.

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Super trope-tastic.

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Alison: All right.

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You wanna, you wanna roll first?

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You wanna rock that, that,
that dice roll first.

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Matt: Okay.

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Yeah.

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D100!

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Inquiring minds want to know
40, 48 is the number that I'm

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rooting on the ADHd100, um, table.

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Alison: So this is, this is one
that I've actually been pretty

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excited about for a while.

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Build a D&D party with
characters from a TV show.

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What show and what
characters would you pick?

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Matt: Oh, to play, like what characters
would I play would just like.

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Alison: No, like take the cast of Friends
and like, you know, so you, you wouldn't

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wanna play with Ross, but you would play
with, you know, Chandler and Joey and

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Rachel or whatever, you know, like you
can, you can leave people out if their

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vibe isn't cool enough for D&D is telling.

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Matt: Okay.

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Interesting.

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Interesting.

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I mean, Now that you've opened
that up though, now that

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Alison: I know.

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Right.

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Matt: We kind of have to do that.

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Right?

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Because I saw, I watched Friends
for the first time this year, um,

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and, and genuinely enjoyed it.

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I, I just, I, um, yeah, I was too
snobby in the nineties and too busy.

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I think we've talked about that,
We sat down and watched all of

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friends and I thought it was
a strangely uplifting program.

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You know?

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I mean, it's just from starting
to finish, they love each other.

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Right?

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Like, that's the cool thing.

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So what it would be, they
would make a good D&D party.

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Right.

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But of course I would leave Ross behind.

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I just can't.

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I can't do it Ross.

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I'm sorry, man.

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He, uh, he made the cut, but
unfortunately, due to his hubris,

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Alison: Mm.

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Matt: He perished.

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He perished fighting an Owlbear,
which is such a sad way to go.

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Alison: At like level three too,
Like not even,  not even into it.

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Matt: Let's see, Ross would be, um,
I would say probably Ross then would

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be like a, a wizard wouldn't he?

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He'd be the studious type.

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Alison: Yeah.

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right.

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Matt: He would be he's
the nerdy studious type.

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So he would be a wizard and,

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Alison: He would be a wizard.

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He was probably planning on multi
classing four or five times Paladin

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for some holy reason, you know?

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And didn't even get that far.

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Yeah.

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Matt: Ooh, Ooh.

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Ooh.

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Is it, do I dislike Ross because.

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They might have coded him to have a little
ADHD, but the annoying parts of ADHD that

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I, that are annoying to me about myself.

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And that's what turns me off of Ross.

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Alison: Okay.

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That's its own episode.

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own thread.

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Matt: it down.

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my God.

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Oh my God.

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Alison: Oh, no.

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Matt: Oh, that is at episode though.

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Okay, cool.

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Uh, anyway, Ross was a wizard.

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Let's see.

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Let's see.

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Let's see,.

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A druid would absolutely be Phoebe, right.

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Phoebe would be a druid.

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Alison: Mm, a hundred.

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Matt: Bard.

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Joey would be the Bard.

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Um, well Joey or Chandler.

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Alison: Yeah.

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Matt: That's tough.

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Alison: Maybe they both would be bards.

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Maybe it would be a party
of bards, a bardy party.

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Matt: Maybe like one would be
like sub classing is sort of a

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jester type and the other one
would be more of a, I don't know.

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And then Monica?

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My favorite strangely.

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Alison: Did you already say Rachel?

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Matt: Oh, Rachel, right.

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Sorry.

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Rachel would be, I think
Rachel would be a fighter,

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Alison: Oh

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Matt: So Monica, um, would then be

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Alison: Hmm.

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Matt: What would Monica be?

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Alison: I feel like she would
be some kind of a caster.

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I feel like she would
be warlock or sorcerer.

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Matt: She has a, she has a pact.

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She has a relationship with a...

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Alison: Can't you see.

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Matt: Well, maybe yeah, yeah.

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Uhhuh.

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I could see that.

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Um, I was trying to
somehow work in her O C D.

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Alison: Mm-hmm.

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Matt: I was trying to somehow
figure out what that, how that could

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manifest in a cool way, but, um,
yeah, let's go with the warlock.

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Yeah, I like it.

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I like.

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Alison: I sign off on all of these things.

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Matt: Okay, great.

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Alison: I'm sorry that if my example
led you to feel, you know, railroaded

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and boxed in, but I love that.

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Matt: No, it worked, it worked.

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I, I got to show off my, my new
found knowledge of, of Friends.

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Alison: Yeah.

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Yeah, I did take that by the way,
as a future topic, takeaway of

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diagnosing our favorite characters
with ADHD example, Ross from from

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Matt: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm

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Alison: We'll go down that,
that, that masky path.

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All you ready for me?

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Matt: Yes.

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Alison: I have a 13.

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Matt: 13 is What is
your favorite D&D spell?

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Alison: Ooh.

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Ooh, I, so I, I, whatever one is the one
that's going to cause the most damage.

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You know, even in games where I'm supposed
to be like buffing other players or

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healing, like I'm not a good healer.

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I wanna fight.

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I wanna, I wanna kill stuff.

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So messed up.

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So I, I tend to like to cast the ones that
you cast them once and then can use bonus

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actions to keep firing away, like a Call
Lightning, um, or something like that.

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Moonbeam, Sunbeam, any of those
where you cast on an action.

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Yeah.

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Matt: Uhhuh.

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Alison: Witch Bolt I don't like,
because I feel limited that you

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can only send it at one person.

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You choose, you choose a,
a place to send Witch Bolt.

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So I think I use this in one of our games
in Strahd where I cast, Witch Bolt on

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somebody and they died in the next round.

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So then my Witch Bolt was wasted.

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I felt like, whereas.

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Area of effects.

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If I Call Lightning, man, I love that one.

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Cuz you could just move it around
wherever you want it to go and just

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smoke people out of their little hidey
holes and just burn them to a shred.

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Love it.

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Matt: OP, but, um, you were, you
were playing the other day with

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one that, I wasn't super familiar
with, but it was really cool.

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Mind Sliver.

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Is that, is it Mind Sliver?

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Is

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Alison: I think it was no,
I think it was Shatter.

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Mind Whip?

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Yes.

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Mind Whip is the one.

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Matt: That one was cool.

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Alison: Yeah, that one's

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Matt: It did some really
unique things like, yeah.

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Alison: That's the one where
I think same kind of vein.

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So it causes damage and then it
takes things away from who it hits.

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So I think that's the one where on the
next turn, the, if they, if they fail

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their save on their next turn, they
can either have an action, a bonus

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action or a movement, not all three.

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And it's so limiting.

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Um, yeah, that one is fun.

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That's  my newest character Cora.

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So  I'm playing around cuz this is
my second time playing a sorcerer.

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Um, so on this one, I'm I'm trying very
hard to not choose the same spells I've

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played with before, you know, stretching

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Matt: Not it's really fun.

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You're doing a lot of thundery stormy.

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Alison: Mm-hmm

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Matt: Stormy weather kind of things.

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Yeah.

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Alison: Gotta get that boom, boom, boom.

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Matt: Yeah.

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Sweet, good answer!

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We need a, we need a sound
effect for ADHd100 table time.

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Um,

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Alison: A little intro in and out of it.

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Matt: Let's see.

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This is gonna be the beginning,
the end and the beginning of me.

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Um, yeah.

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So what kind of topics do you like?

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Alison: Well, Matthew, um, right
before we hopped on mic, I think

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actually, as we were like doing
some, some testing and, and checking.

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Our good friend Fitz, who
we mention every episode.

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Hi Fitz, uh, slid into our DMS...

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Matt: Mm-hmm.

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Alison: With some news.

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So this news, if you haven't heard,
is that, uh, 2024 will mark the 50th

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anniversary of Dungeons and Dragons.

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Matt: Yes.

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Alison: And so Wizards of the Coast is
coming out with what is being called

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One D&D which it will effectively
apparently be like D&D 5.5 E.

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Um, currently, now we're on 5E.

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Matt: Wow.

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Alison: Uh, so I started, of
course, while Matt was doing all

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of his nerdy tech things, I started
furiously reading through the press

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releases and what, uh, Wizards of
the Coast has put on their website.

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What's already live on, uh, D&D Beyond.

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Of course, you know, if you're a D&D
person you've either heard of this, or

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you can go on your own, um, you know,
uh, rabbit hole rampage, if you will.

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Um, but they're, they're,  like that

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Matt: I've never heard
that rabbit hole rampage

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Alison: Rabbit hole rampage.

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They're gonna start, like you could
opt in, you can claim, play test

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material for your own games, get to
fool around with it a little bit.

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And then there will be these survey
windows that you'll get to then give

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feedback to, I guess, help shape
the future of Dungeons and Dragons.

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Matt: Happy.

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Happy clown.

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Alison: So I've already claimed mine.

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Log into your dndbeyond.com.

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Matt: Just now.

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Yeah.

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Alison: And you claim it.

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This is so great.

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And so the very first thing that's
up, and this makes me weep with joy.

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I feel like after a cloudy, rainy,
awful, depressing, terrible week,

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the clouds are parting and rays are
shining through again because of this,

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because the first play test material
is all around character origins.

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So basically it's just, it's begging,
it's asking me to build some more

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characters and you, I think Matt
mentioned this not too long ago, that

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they may be kind of replacing the whole
idea of race with origins instead.

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Um, so I'm excited.

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I'm excited.

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Matt: I mean, I personally,  have been
wanting to move in that direction.

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Just like, look, well, you
know, they've gotten flack.

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I don't know if it was necessarily
deserved flack, meaning changes

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needed to be made to game to
Dungeons & Dragons and 5E.

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But this movement, these movements,
to just being more mindful, more, more

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sensitive, more, all these things, we're
all learning how to do this, right?

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Like I don't think that, you know, making
Drow evil for decades is you know, bad.

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It just needs to change.

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That's all.

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The game needs to evolve
the way anything evolves.

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Right?

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So yeah, I, I love this and I, I
think that's where it's moving to is

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like, what do you wanna look like?

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What do you wanna be?

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Who do you wanna be?

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You could be a, you know,
a human orc halfling.

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I mean, my, I just found out
my dog isn't even a shih tzu.

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Right?

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So like, why wouldn't
that apply to everything?

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I don't know.

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It's fun.

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I'm psyched.

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We need a play test.

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Alison: Absolutely.

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So, yep.

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We've claimed ours go claim yours.

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And the other part of the announcement
that kind of excited me, cuz we've also

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talked about this on prior episodes
is they're trying to make it both

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forward, scalable and backwards proof.

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So they're trying to say, we
understand that different people

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like different systems, modules,
rule sets, whatever, for a reason.

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So they're trying to integrate this.

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So if you're on 4e you can continue
with this One D&D you know, one D&D to

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rule them all one rule set to bind them.

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Um,

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Matt: Nerd!

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Wow.

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Alison: I'm really sorry.

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Matt: No, nerd.

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Um, no, I mean, we are nerds.

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And I really like that.

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I think that's, that's part of...

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we haven't really taken that plunge.

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But the thing  that has been
attractive about Pathfinder to me,

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because I feel that as, as the indie
rock version of D&D it's, uh which

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again is be the hipster version.

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That's so belittling, but I mean,
there's an element of it that's true,

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but it is just way more open in a
lot of ways, in some ways it's more

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hardcore, but there's an openness to it.

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So I'm psyched.

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That Wizards is kind of, uh, saying,
okay, look, let's open this up because...

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why they did such a good job with
5e man, they did such a good job.

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And there's always gonna be
people who want to play 2e right?

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3.5, 4 whatever there's always gonna be.

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And that's, that is a different game.

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And I know we've talked about
that, but like, you know, the

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Dungeons and Dragons of my youth
is very different from the one now.

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It feels different.

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It plays different.

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It, it acts different.

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The choices are different.

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And that is an attractive thing.

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It's an attractive game, but man, the,
the level of heart and  the focus on

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story, honestly, the therapeutic elements
of this game, I think have happened

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since I took a 20, 30 year break.

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Right?

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Personally, I don't, I don't remember
the game being quite as focused on

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your feelings, if you want them to.

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Right.

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You don't have to focus on your feelings,
but I like to, and that's why I love

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part of why I love the game so much.

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So yeah.

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Keep branching, keep it open, you
know, cuz they could close it all

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up, but I'm glad that they're not.

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Alison: Mm-hmm.

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Matt: Hooray.

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We'll see.

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Wow.

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That was live news.

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Um, what else?

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Alison: So,  we got, we got some more fan
mail, uh,  this week, um, from our friend,

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Adam, uh, sent us,  just a little bit
of feedback, which we, by the way, love.

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And you can send that to us anywhere
that you want to on Bivins Brothers

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Creative's, Facebook page on our
website, uh, by joining our yeah.

00:18:22.133 --> 00:18:24.678
Twitter by joining our
Patreon on our Instagram.

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If you have our emails, phone
numbers, uh, carrier pigeon, owl post.

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Any which any, which way
you wanna go, we'll take it.

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Maybe don't send us a howler.

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But other than that, actually,
you know, what, if you wanna send

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us a howler, you can do that too.

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Um, , it's just all like
bubbling to the top today.

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Matt: You're on fire today.

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Nerd, nerd fire.

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Alison: I told you we were
leaning really into our tropes

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and you're going full hipster on
me and I'm going big weird nerd.

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Matt: Yeah.

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I've got like I in front of me,
I've got this like super fresh

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ground coffee made with vacuum
press and I've got my mustache.

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None of that.

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Alison: So our friend Adam sent us
this great message with, honestly,

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I think a lot of stuff that Matt
and I wanna talk through on this

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podcast in one way or another.

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Um, but the part that really
stood out to me was an actual, um,

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proactive podcast topic, suggestion
that I'm just gonna read verbatim.

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I hope that's okay, Adam.

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Uh, it's how to make friends as
an ADHD adult, especially when

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it comes to joining D&D groups.

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I play pickup games at the local game
shop and feel super out of place.

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I'm not willing to buy a random graphic
tee just to appear to fit in, uh, making.

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I love that.

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Making friends as an adult is hard, but
it seems it might be harder with ADHD.

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Thank you for saying that because I
I've, I've felt that way for a while.

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And I've heard from a
lot of my adult friends.

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And so I, I actually don't know if it's
any better or worse with, or without ADHD.

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I currently live in Charlotte,
North Carolina, which is

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where I went to college.

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It's not where I grew up.

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So I'm lucky in that I have an
abundance of people that I went

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to college with and kind of this
ready made community for me here.

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But I moved to New York for a few
years between college and settling

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back down here and had a, a hard
time like figuring out how do

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you make friends outside of work?

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You know, I'm not the type just to,
as we've talked about, walk up to

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strangers and start up conversations.

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And I've had a lot of friends here in
Charlotte wonder and approach me and

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say, how do you make friends here?

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And I have no answer for them
because my friends here are primarily

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people I went to college with.

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It's again, that, that safety
blanket, that comfort zone

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that comes up every episode.

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But the reason I wanted to bring
this up, not that, I mean, well,

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I'll pause here and kind of ask you,
do you have any advice or thoughts?

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As far as I think this is something
we both talked about though, is

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the hardships of making friends
as an adult, as someone with ADHD.

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Matt: Yeah, we've definitely danced
around the topic a little bit.

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I certainly can walk into a room and
talk to almost everyone in there about

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something, you know, one thing  But it,
you would think that because of that, that

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I would have scores and scores and scores
of friends, like really close friends.

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But the flip side of it is, is something
that we talked about two podcasts ago.

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The object, uh, permanence, right?

00:21:21.351 --> 00:21:24.201
Where you're like, wow, that
was such a great person.

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That was so cool to meet them.

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And then they live in this universe
and you don't see them for a a year.

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And they're like, oh, hi, my name is this.

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Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

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I just, I, I met you.

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Right.

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But it was a year ago.

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So it's your fault.

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Alison: Did I tell you about
the experience of going to my

00:21:42.291 --> 00:21:44.121
brother's wedding a few months ago?

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And my family is pretty
small on both sides.

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My aunts and uncles on both sides
are how my parents got together.

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So these are obviously people that at one
point in time knew each other, cuz they

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all went to the University of Alabama and
met in Birmingham and set my parents up.

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My aunts and uncles, we get to the wedding
and it had been so long since anybody had

00:22:02.991 --> 00:22:07.161
seen anybody that they started introducing
themselves by first and last name.

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Cracked me up, like I'm, I'm
sitting there just like taking

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it all in like stifling laughter.

00:22:12.631 --> 00:22:14.611
And it was funny to watch
cuz they're doing it.

00:22:14.611 --> 00:22:17.551
And then at the same time as the
other person is returning it, they're

00:22:17.551 --> 00:22:18.631
like, of course I know who you are.

00:22:18.901 --> 00:22:21.361
I think this is a fear
that we all have though.

00:22:21.366 --> 00:22:25.801
We all have this fear that we're not
gonna be remembered even by the most,

00:22:25.831 --> 00:22:29.251
you know, even by our, our relatives,
relatives by marriage, but still.

00:22:29.671 --> 00:22:33.091
So I think, you know, and, and yeah,
sometimes names are hard, you know,

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sometimes if I'm going to a place
with a friend I'll, I'll tell that

00:22:35.851 --> 00:22:39.361
friend, Hey, I, if I don't remember
somebody's name, I'm probably

00:22:39.366 --> 00:22:41.151
not gonna introduce you to them.

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You are gonna have to say hi I'm...

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Matt: Oh yes.

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Oh, I have all of those with
any friend that I have going.

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Yeah, that is, yeah.

00:22:49.261 --> 00:22:51.351
Alison: So, you know, to jump
in and say, Hey, I'm Alison.

00:22:51.451 --> 00:22:55.011
Matt: This is a timely topic
for me because,  I have

00:22:55.011 --> 00:22:56.301
this friend I've mentioned.

00:22:56.381 --> 00:22:57.191
He is an actor.

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I did not know him, pre pandemic very
well, because he was a full-time actor

00:23:01.911 --> 00:23:06.711
in Chicago, which means he really
just worked all the time all the time.

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But then the pandemic happened and
I, I was, uh, reintroduced to how

00:23:12.915 --> 00:23:15.075
to make friends because of Matt.

00:23:15.585 --> 00:23:25.192
Because he decided for whatever reason
that I was going to be a new bestie.

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Which is 100% necessary to become
a friend of somebody with ADD.

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That's point, is that  he didn't
know all of that, but like he, I, I'm

00:23:36.013 --> 00:23:39.451
assuming all of his friends in his
life, he says, do they pass muster?

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Yes or no, if yes, I'm
going to work at it.

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And he works at it, you know?

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And he really moved past all of the
topical stuff, the superficial stuff.

00:23:53.653 --> 00:23:58.883
And he he made us incredible cocktails
and he would invite us over and we

00:23:58.888 --> 00:24:02.843
would like, you know, have dinner
and, and doing all this stuff.

00:24:03.143 --> 00:24:07.043
And he just kicks ass

00:24:07.693 --> 00:24:07.943
Alison: mm-hmm

00:24:07.943 --> 00:24:09.203
Matt: at being a friend, you know?

00:24:09.713 --> 00:24:12.941
Um, He's my newest, best
friend, like in Chicago and I

00:24:12.941 --> 00:24:14.591
have great friends in Chicago.

00:24:14.691 --> 00:24:19.851
And so, uh, tonight I'm going to
his farewell party actually, and

00:24:19.941 --> 00:24:24.249
it's real sad, because I have
spent so much time in Chicago just

00:24:24.529 --> 00:24:26.869
trying to understand all of this.

00:24:26.869 --> 00:24:29.779
Like why is it harder
for me to have friends?

00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:36.259
Because I, um, I am the way I am because
I was in a rock band where, where I

00:24:36.259 --> 00:24:40.279
didn't have to work very hard, uh,
because I have, because I am older,

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it could be because I have ADHD, it
could be any number of those reasons.

00:24:45.289 --> 00:24:45.589
Right.

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Um, so the coolest thing is
just  that Matt gave me this

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gift, not just friendship, but
he showed me what it takes.

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It's not easy.

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It's really nice.

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it's not easy.

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I mean, maybe it is for him.

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It's definitely not for me.

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I'm so grateful that he did.

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And I, and I, I feel like I've learned
some lessons and, and the other cool thing

00:25:05.829 --> 00:25:09.219
is he's going away for a year or more.

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But I'm not afraid to lose him.

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You know what I mean?

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I'm not afraid to lose him as a
friend where I don't know if that I

00:25:15.862 --> 00:25:21.232
could say that about everybody that
I know, you know, so that's cool.

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Alison: Well, It reminds me of, and I
think Fitz is somebody who sent it to me.

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There's a meme that says something
along the lines of how introverts

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make friends: an extrovert, finds
them, likes them and adopts them.

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And that's

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Matt: That's it?

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That is a hundred percent it.

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Alison: And I have been both
the adopter and the adoptee

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and, you know, you're right.

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When you find a, a new shiny friend
that you zing with, for whatever reason

00:25:47.765 --> 00:25:52.325
you wanna hold 'em in place and show
'em the ropes and like, Nope, Nope.

00:25:52.355 --> 00:25:52.565
Yeah.

00:25:52.595 --> 00:25:56.525
Not gonna let you slide outta
here, but sometimes you need to be

00:25:56.525 --> 00:25:57.965
pulled into somebody else's orbit.

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Um, so I almost wonder if it's not so
much an ADHD versus not conversation,

00:26:04.265 --> 00:26:07.685
but an, an introvert versus extrovert
conversation that we started on, you

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know, before, and, and, and why you
and I both are able to do it and also

00:26:11.645 --> 00:26:16.115
struggle with it because we've both
become more introverted in recent years.

00:26:16.625 --> 00:26:19.145
Maybe even just, maybe
we're just ambiverts now.

00:26:19.835 --> 00:26:24.245
Um, so, yeah, so I, you know, I
think it's, I think that's all

00:26:24.245 --> 00:26:25.745
a wonderful thing to talk about.

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So what,  stood out for me
in Adam's question, because I

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personally don't have any answers.

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I wish I did.

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I thought this might be
a fun challenge for me.

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Like if, if I would take this as
a,  challenge maybe isn't the right

00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:45.260
word, but maybe I need to try.

00:26:45.260 --> 00:26:48.530
Maybe I need to like, almost go
undercover and, and try for myself

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some of these meetups and local game
and report back to the listeners of

00:26:53.750 --> 00:27:00.260
ADHd20, both as a social experiment,
you know, research for our podcast

00:27:00.260 --> 00:27:02.060
and our listeners and our community.

00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:06.050
Um, so I can say this is definitively
what I learned in my experience.

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This is what worked and what didn't.

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Take that for what you will, but I also
wonder if it's a boundary I need to

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push on for my own growth, you know, to
find more people that I can play with.

00:27:16.375 --> 00:27:22.370
As often as I wanna play to get over
the fear of strangers  to, you know,

00:27:22.375 --> 00:27:25.280
we, we even talked about not that I
would expect this out of it, but when

00:27:25.285 --> 00:27:30.350
we were having the, the podcast episode,
uh, where dating with ADHD came up and

00:27:30.350 --> 00:27:31.550
I was like, I have no answers for you.

00:27:31.550 --> 00:27:35.210
I have no idea how to meet
guys, like, other than dating

00:27:35.210 --> 00:27:36.660
apps, which is a swift no.

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Maybe there's a nerdy boy somewhere out
there in Charlotte that I, I don't know.

00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:46.020
Evan, Evan has long suggested that I
go to more Cons, just because like,

00:27:46.020 --> 00:27:50.490
he's like, you need to go to where your
type of person is gonna be, and they're

00:27:50.495 --> 00:27:52.680
not gonna be, you know, at a bar.

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And they're not probably even going
to be on the apps, but they might

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be at a, at a big old nerd Con.

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Matt: I love that.

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Alison: I'm telling all of you,
all of this, what you, especially

00:28:02.310 --> 00:28:03.930
Matt to hold me accountable.

00:28:03.930 --> 00:28:07.740
Like, let, let me, you know, this
is like the concept of meetups is

00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:11.670
something that I have long shunned, um,

00:28:12.855 --> 00:28:13.335
Matt: Me too.

00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:15.120
Alison: Feel free to hold me accountable.

00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:16.830
Give me a little bit of time, too.

00:28:16.950 --> 00:28:20.160
Matt: I, I love this challenge
for yourself that you created.

00:28:20.940 --> 00:28:25.710
I accept the challenge that
you created for yourself and I

00:28:25.715 --> 00:28:28.920
will hold you accountable, cuz
I think it's an amazing idea.

00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:34.650
I think that you are
entering a new era of AK.

00:28:34.650 --> 00:28:39.600
You have, you have lovely friends, you
have amazing ones, but where you are

00:28:39.600 --> 00:28:45.600
right now, I think that, uh, similar
to me, there have been people who have

00:28:45.600 --> 00:28:51.180
kids or want kids or moved into this or
got new jobs or, or are just operating

00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:55.530
or just focuses change and evolve.

00:28:55.860 --> 00:28:59.600
I think this is the time where
you're going to find that group.

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That's always, probably been there, but
maybe you didn't know it was inside.

00:29:03.740 --> 00:29:07.160
We all knew that you were a nerd,
but you just kind of had to like

00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.560
open that door and walk on through.

00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:10.730
Right?

00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.980
Alison: I hear you on this new season
and finding this new, you know,

00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.610
blazing this new path to glory, then
there's this other part of me that's

00:29:18.610 --> 00:29:19.640
sitting here going no new friends.

00:29:19.660 --> 00:29:19.930
I'm good.

00:29:19.930 --> 00:29:20.320
I'm full.

00:29:20.350 --> 00:29:21.070
I have, I have enough.

00:29:22.705 --> 00:29:24.535
Matt: Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, but

00:29:24.730 --> 00:29:28.120
Alison: But not every, but, and not
every friend you, you meet has to be a

00:29:28.120 --> 00:29:30.520
soulmate, you know, like life changing.

00:29:30.550 --> 00:29:34.360
Like it's okay to have people that I
see once a month and play D&D with, you

00:29:34.360 --> 00:29:40.060
know, maybe that's, that's the connection
that I'm lacking, um, and will perhaps

00:29:40.060 --> 00:29:44.230
find and report back and tell you the
good, the bad, the embarrassing, the

00:29:44.230 --> 00:29:49.420
ugly, and the wonderful, uh, someday
soon on future episode of ADHd20.

00:29:49.665 --> 00:29:50.165
Matt: All right.

00:29:50.865 --> 00:29:51.365
All right.

00:29:52.145 --> 00:29:52.365
All

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Alison: Frightening

00:29:56.112 --> 00:29:56.892
Matt: Oh, man.

00:29:56.892 --> 00:29:57.342
Okay.

00:29:57.402 --> 00:29:57.882
All right.

00:29:58.239 --> 00:29:58.959
Alison: I think that's it.

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I think that's, I think that's the show!

00:30:03.879 --> 00:30:05.754
Matt: Yeah, I really can't.

00:30:05.854 --> 00:30:09.214
I mean, you're, you're literally
leaving us on a cliff hanger.

00:30:09.214 --> 00:30:12.754
I can't imagine, like, I can't
imagine how else to end it.

00:30:12.754 --> 00:30:14.551
But thank you, uh, Mr.

00:30:14.556 --> 00:30:16.171
Reinhardt for, for writing.

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Thanks everybody for writing.

00:30:18.791 --> 00:30:23.051
And thanks for caring
for listening to this.

00:30:23.111 --> 00:30:27.041
Um, all y'all all my friends
and you know who you are.

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This is a special thing for
me and, has gotten me through

00:30:30.371 --> 00:30:32.848
some very tough weeks recently.

00:30:33.403 --> 00:30:33.913
Alison: Mm-hmm

00:30:34.023 --> 00:30:36.923
Matt: Hooray for ADHd20?

00:30:37.573 --> 00:30:39.553
Alison: It's been a
beautiful little sailboat...

00:30:39.988 --> 00:30:40.558
Matt: Yes.

00:30:40.633 --> 00:30:42.733
Alison: ...this week for
me, sailing me out of...

00:30:43.518 --> 00:30:44.078
Matt: sailboat.

00:30:44.773 --> 00:30:48.013
Alison: ...the yuck, get out of there.

00:30:48.328 --> 00:30:49.408
Matt: Yeah, get out

00:30:49.453 --> 00:30:50.053
Alison: yay.

00:30:50.563 --> 00:30:51.373
Thanks Matt.

00:30:51.463 --> 00:30:54.163
Thanks listeners of ADHd20
for being my sailboat.

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Matt: Thanks everybody for sail boating.

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Alison: Bye

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We're still the worst at endings.

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Matt: I don't know.

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Sometimes it's easier than other times.