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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, we're so excited to be here. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>we got Jeff Forrester in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>He's back.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, it's good to be back.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>So today we're continuing in our conversation in the Book

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<v Speaker 4>of Romans as we start to talk about have you

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<v Speaker 4>ever had a time when you wanted to do the

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<v Speaker 4>right thing and it just seemed like you couldn't. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>that's what Paul's talking about today. So he's Kyle and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Jeff, and we're the Bible guys. Okay, Kyle, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, So I want you want to ask because the

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<v Speaker 1>people I know me and Chris told people last week.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was like, Jeff's in Egypt or India

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You just tell everybody just a quick synopsis of what

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<v Speaker 1>you were up to these last couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, So, first of all, we started off in Egypt

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<v Speaker 4>and in Central Egypt, which is what they call Upper Egypt.

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<v Speaker 4>And then we went down to Luxor and we met

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<v Speaker 4>with a bunch of pastors and church planters. We were

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<v Speaker 4>doing a bunch of training with them, and then I

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<v Speaker 4>went on to work with some global leaders in India.

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<v Speaker 4>So school, yeah, yeah, it was a rough trip and

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<v Speaker 4>I covered I think it was thirty thirty eight thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Miles or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, then you say at one point you were flying,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it was the longest period of time where you

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<v Speaker 1>were flying, like the longest stretch of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it took me twenty nine hours to get home.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I'm sorry, thirty one thirty one hours. Goodness,

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<v Speaker 3>that was long.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the longest flight was only like eleven or

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<v Speaker 4>twelve hours, thirteen hours, something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, we're glad you're back, man, it's good to

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<v Speaker 2>be back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And so today, yeah, we're going to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the word just a minute, but we're also going to

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<v Speaker 1>play quick game, actually not only game, just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a draft here. It's actually a road trip snack draft list.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually before even started, we were actually talking about snacking.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is actually fitting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, about snacks. So let's let's imagine on a road trip,

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<v Speaker 2>but before we hit the road, we need.

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<v Speaker 1>To stock up on snacks. So we're going to do

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<v Speaker 1>a draft pick of the best road trip snacks.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, And so.

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<v Speaker 4>We've done some candy drafts in the past right, next level.

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<v Speaker 4>This is road trip stuff. Yes, this is like if

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<v Speaker 4>it's the last meal you ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>Which which I know, I don't know about you. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you a road trip snacker in general?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, A good deal, definitely. It's one of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>And you guys can relate to this. But when you're

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<v Speaker 1>on the road, it just seems like, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>just start eating and you just keep going. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>you're binge eating in the car. I'd be five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>pounds if I was a truck driver.

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<v Speaker 3>By the truck driver.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So actually we'll start with you said you haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>here in a couple of weeks. You've been, so what's

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<v Speaker 1>what's your number one pick? Okay, so the number one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter if I'm traveling in an airport, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm driving down the road, the first thing you have

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<v Speaker 1>to have chocolate.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to have chocolate.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's usually like a king sized Snickers. You know

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<v Speaker 4>how you get the two snickers?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 3>That's usually the first thing I grab.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good deal. It's a good deal for me. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever I go to any sort of gas station, if

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm on the road. It just when I

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<v Speaker 1>think of a road trip, beef jerkey comes to mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Jerky, Yes you got that one, good, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 4>So to counteract the suite, then I have to get

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<v Speaker 4>saltyka and so I really like.

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<v Speaker 3>Sunflower seeds.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah there, that's the only negative

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<v Speaker 2>one those.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So then that's your number two. Pick my number two.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say they sell it now. You can actually

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<v Speaker 1>buy a brand that that makes it in a bag.

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<v Speaker 1>But honestly, I'll have family or friends make it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I like puppy chow and it's not easy to dry

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<v Speaker 1>with your hand in some puppy chow, but.

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<v Speaker 2>That is one snack I can just eat and eat it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't even know why I like it, But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Are you a puppy chow guy?

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay, yeah, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's definitely a little messy, but flavor, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like whoever invented that?

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<v Speaker 3>So I also have a Cheetos puffs problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, number three, Yeah, that's my number three.

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<v Speaker 2>Eating those Cheetos and you're like licking your fingers.

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<v Speaker 4>And you get it, you know, and they have the

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<v Speaker 4>little bags and you go, well, maybe I should get

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<v Speaker 4>a big what could be a long trip. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 4>then next thing you know, I'm down at the bottom

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<v Speaker 4>of the bag going what.

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<v Speaker 3>Happened all the chee?

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<v Speaker 1>It's just all air usually Yeah, okay, So my final pick,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say number three pick. It's a candy that I've

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<v Speaker 1>I've been addicted to since I was younger. Whenever I

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<v Speaker 1>have it, I can't just have one of them or

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<v Speaker 1>two of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I like. The whole box is red vines and it's

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<v Speaker 2>so random.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously there's like Twizzlers that people like a regular

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<v Speaker 1>licorice for whatever reason, red vines they just.

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<v Speaker 2>Hit the spot the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I had my nephew over the day and

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<v Speaker 1>we're hanging out watching a movie and I entire one

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<v Speaker 1>of those, like those movie theater style candy is an

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<v Speaker 1>entire thing of red vines.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, So hits up.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I've ever heard anybody say in their

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<v Speaker 4>top three red vines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but something about on the road or something about

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<v Speaker 1>just killing time.

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<v Speaker 2>I can just smash them.

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<v Speaker 1>So actually, we'd love to hear from you guys. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching on YouTube, ahead and comment. Or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I like, just let us know what your favorite road

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<v Speaker 1>trip snacks are. And then also one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>we just encourage people to do is to share this video.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're watching on a YouTube or even if you're

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<v Speaker 1>watching listening to it, share it through Facebook, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like us basically have over. I think it's like one

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<v Speaker 1>point two k followers and the million million followers. People

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<v Speaker 1>really like Jeff and Chris. So make sure at one

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<v Speaker 1>point two k thought's pretty just from just starting up.

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<v Speaker 2>In October, it's coming along. Yeah, so make sure to like.

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<v Speaker 1>It, subscribe, share, get some more followers, that would be awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>But to tell us what you think about our cool student.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's true. It's pretty sweet. Yeah, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm in Chicago right now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I like it a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes you look more handsome. I think we were

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<v Speaker 4>trying to figure out what can we do to make

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<v Speaker 4>this look better and how do we look taking the

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<v Speaker 4>attention away from Kyle. That's right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so comment I'm just kidding, don't comment on our looks.

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<v Speaker 2>Just just you can let us know later.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So today we're in Romans. Jeff, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to get some context for uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So you know, Paul has been on this conversation

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<v Speaker 4>about the law, and he's struggling with these things. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, being a former Pharisee, the law was a

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<v Speaker 4>big part of his life. He measured himself by the law.

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<v Speaker 4>As a matter of fact, they kind of had the

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<v Speaker 4>sense that they were trying to earn right standing with

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<v Speaker 4>God and eternity through obeying the law. And so because

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<v Speaker 4>of that, he's walking around with a lot of guilt, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And so he's struggling here saying the things I want

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<v Speaker 4>to do, I don't do. The things I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to do I do, And he's really it's kind of a.

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<v Speaker 2>For me.

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<v Speaker 4>I totally resonate with what he's trying to say here.

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<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of people will today.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, I agree.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyways, let's just read it. I can talk about it

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<v Speaker 4>all day long, but let's let him say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I agree. I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>So, now, dear brothers and sisters, you who are familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with the law, don't you know that the law applies

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<v Speaker 1>only while a person is living. For example, when a

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<v Speaker 1>woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as

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<v Speaker 1>long as he is alive, but even dies, the laws

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<v Speaker 1>of marriage no longer apply to her. So while her

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<v Speaker 1>husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she

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<v Speaker 1>married another man. Whatever her husband dies, she's free from

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<v Speaker 1>that law and does not commit adultery when she remains

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<v Speaker 1>or remarry. Sorry, So, my dear brothers and sister, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the point. You died in the power of the

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<v Speaker 1>law when you died with Christ, and now you are

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<v Speaker 1>united with the one who is raised from the dead.

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<v Speaker 1>As a result, we can produce a harvest of good

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<v Speaker 1>deeds for God. When we were controlled by our old nature,

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<v Speaker 1>sinful desires were at work within us, and the law

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<v Speaker 1>aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful

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<v Speaker 1>deeds resulting in death. But now we've been released from

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<v Speaker 1>the law, for we died to it and are no

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<v Speaker 1>longer captive to a power.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we can serve God, not in the old.

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<v Speaker 1>Way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the

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<v Speaker 1>new way of living in the spirit. It says this, Well, then,

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<v Speaker 1>well then, am I suggesting that the law of God

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<v Speaker 1>is sinful? Of course not. In fact, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>law that showed me my sin. I would never have

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<v Speaker 1>known that coveting is wrong. If the law had not

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<v Speaker 1>said that you must not covet, I love that just

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<v Speaker 1>so direct. But Sin used this command to arouse all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of covetous desires within me. If there was no law,

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<v Speaker 1>sin would not have that power. At one time, I

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<v Speaker 1>lived without understanding the law. But when I learned the

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<v Speaker 1>command not to covet, for instance, the power of sin

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<v Speaker 1>came to life, and I died. So I discovered that

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<v Speaker 1>the law's commands, which were supposed to bring life, brought

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual death instead.

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<v Speaker 2>Sin took advantage of those commands and deceived me. It

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<v Speaker 2>used the commands to kill me.

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<v Speaker 1>But still, the law itself is holy, and its commands

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<v Speaker 1>are holy and right and good. But how can that be.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the law, which is good cause my death? Of course, not,

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<v Speaker 1>Sin used what was good to bring about my condemnation

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<v Speaker 1>to death. So we can see how terrible sin really is.

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<v Speaker 1>It uses God's good commands for its own evil purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>It is sin living in me that does it. I've

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<v Speaker 2>I love God's law with all my heart, but.

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<v Speaker 1>There is another power within me that is at war

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<v Speaker 1>the sin that is still within me. Oh, what a

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<v Speaker 1>miserable person I am. Who will free me from this

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<v Speaker 2>The answer is in Jesus Christ, our Lord. So you

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<v Speaker 2>see how it is in my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to obey God's law, but because of

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's trying to make a point here.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's communicating, especially here towards the end, as

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<v Speaker 4>twisted up. The things I don't want to do I do,

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<v Speaker 4>and the things I want to do I don't do.

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<v Speaker 4>But I really really want to do the good things,

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<v Speaker 4>but I wind up doing the bad things.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't want to do the bad things. I

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<v Speaker 4>He's talking with this, and I think most of us

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<v Speaker 3>And then he ends up.

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<v Speaker 4>He kind of comes close to an end by saying,

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<v Speaker 4>what a miserable person I am. I think the king

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<v Speaker 4>King James says, oh, what a wretched man I am? Right,

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<v Speaker 4>And so he's feeling a lot of guilt over this,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the good news is it doesn't end there.

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<v Speaker 3>As a fact, we get the chapter eight. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>But that's tomorrow. Make sure you exactly watched the chapter eight.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of my favorite chapters in so Romans.

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<v Speaker 4>Chapter seven is such a powerful transition in the Book

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<v Speaker 4>of Romans because up to this point and then on

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<v Speaker 4>for just a little bit more, but up to this

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<v Speaker 4>point he's really been driving the law, the consequences of

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<v Speaker 4>the law, and our responsibility with regard to the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that we're sinners, right, And then now he's and he's

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<v Speaker 4>referencing Grace a lot, but it's really hitting the law

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<v Speaker 4>and trying to balance off grace and law. And then

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<v Speaker 4>now because of Christ, things are different. So we'll look

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<v Speaker 4>let me just start off because I know somebody's going

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<v Speaker 4>to ask about it. He says, one a woman marries,

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<v Speaker 4>the law bindser to her husband as long as alive.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not a commentary on women. This is just

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<v Speaker 4>marriage in general. Right, So he could have said when

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<v Speaker 4>a man marries, he's bound to his wife all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>He just said he just used the woman there in

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<v Speaker 4>the conversation. But he's not making commentary that somehow a

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<v Speaker 4>woman's commitment in marriage is different than a man.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the same. But he is using the idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Of marriage as a as an analogy to our relationship

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<v Speaker 4>with Christ. Previously, what he's trying to say is, we

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<v Speaker 4>were married to the law, and so the consequences of

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<v Speaker 4>the law are our arm because the law is alive.

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<v Speaker 3>In our life. But when the law is dead in.

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<v Speaker 4>Our life and we're alive and Christ were married to Christ,

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<v Speaker 4>then the law is dead and we're now bound to

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<v Speaker 4>Christ instead of bound to the law. That's what he's

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<v Speaker 4>trying to say. So don't get hung up on the

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<v Speaker 4>marriage statement. You understand that the big pictures he's making

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<v Speaker 1>And he said does even say that it's it's like

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<v Speaker 1>this he's kind of setting up. That's like, here's an

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<v Speaker 1>people in that day, they just this was a there's

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<v Speaker 1>a huge stumbling, so they needed an analogy like this.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things that I actually noticed in

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<v Speaker 1>I have a life application study Bible. But one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that has shared about as we go along here,

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying that Paul shares three lessons that he

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<v Speaker 1>learned trying to deal with his sinful desires, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is important for us as we mature as Christians.

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<v Speaker 1>He says that's number one. It says, this knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>the rules is not the answer. And then secondly, self determination,

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<v Speaker 1>which is struggling in one's own strength, doesn't succeed.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we could try as much as you want, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then it said, becoming a Christian does

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<v Speaker 1>not stamp out all sin and temptation from a person's life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's really important because I think so

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<v Speaker 1>many people that at least that I meet, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>and they're new in christ you know, they it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like what Paul said, usaid, a tongue twister.

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<v Speaker 2>Of back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's literally what they're walking through their living that like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do this. Why do I still struggle

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, because I can be Christian, all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden these desires would go away. And so I just

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you know it's interesting he's talking if I

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<v Speaker 4>hadn't been told yet coveting was a sin. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't have ever known coveting was a sin. Right, what

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<v Speaker 4>he's saying is I think what he's saying is when

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<v Speaker 3>Aware or awake to the law.

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<v Speaker 4>Suddenly all this guilt comes with it. Yes, I was

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<v Speaker 4>And now that I know it, he said, the burden

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<v Speaker 4>of it is greater. So then he says, when I

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<v Speaker 4>meet Christ, or when I come to faith in Christ,

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<v Speaker 4>the law becomes dead to me, Not because Jesus gets

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<v Speaker 4>rid of the law. As a matter of fact, Jesus

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<v Speaker 4>said in the Gospels, I didn't come to eliminate the law.

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<v Speaker 4>I came to fulfill it. Jesus solved this law problem

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<v Speaker 4>And now the real hymn, the real Paul says, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to do the bad thing. But the real live,

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<v Speaker 4>living Paul is living in a dying body that sins.

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<v Speaker 4>So he has his sinful nature, is struggling against spiritual nature,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's what he's talking about. There's this battle going

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<v Speaker 4>it there that there's this struggle right between good and evil.

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<v Speaker 4>Essentially in his life, there's this battle, this fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that this is a surprise to a

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<v Speaker 4>then they find out later they're still tempted and what

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's a good point. Maybe I lost

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe God's not actually in me if I still have

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<v Speaker 1>these temptations that mean he's not there.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually want to point out the things he said,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing about.

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<v Speaker 1>Coveting, and I you know, how that was revealed to him,

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<v Speaker 1>and how the law essentially exposes our sin.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so true. Though.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a funny example about that. But I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe ten or fifteen years ago. There's this road near

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<v Speaker 1>to one of our campuses, and there was a period

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<v Speaker 1>of time, maybe fifteen years ago, where the signage just

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<v Speaker 1>a spot where it drops down to fifty five miles

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<v Speaker 1>and that suddenly drops on fifty five and a very

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<v Speaker 1>quick you know a period of time, but the fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't Romeo was not there anymore, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>Romeo golf course. It was you for eighteen holes. It

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<v Speaker 2>you can't. You can't beat that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I remember driving up there and like just every

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<v Speaker 1>every time we go, I'd be going maybe a little

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you're not even aware of your of your

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think that's what Paul's trying to say here,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we sat that should be like that as

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<v Speaker 4>But he's also referencing the idea that he was dead

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<v Speaker 4>in it, right, he wasn't alive in the law. He

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<v Speaker 4>was dead in the law, and then he became alive

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<v Speaker 4>in Christ and then now that's where this struggle happens, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>So I love how he says in verse six. The

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<v Speaker 4>of the law, but in the new way of living

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<v Speaker 4>in the spirit. Right in Galatians he says, walk in

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<v Speaker 4>the spirit, So you don't fulfill the desires of the flesh. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So even then he's recognizing that there's the spirit way,

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<v Speaker 4>and now that I'm alive in Christ, I've got the

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<v Speaker 4>spirit in me and I want to go God's way.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to honor God in my life. And he said, so, now,

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<v Speaker 4>the way that I honor God is not just by

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<v Speaker 4>keeping the law. Now that doesn't mean now because I'm

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<v Speaker 4>in Christ, I can go ahead and cove.

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<v Speaker 3>It's no big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not right that i'm now that I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Aliwed in Christ.

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<v Speaker 4>But we get ready to go ten commandments. I go

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<v Speaker 4>kill now and go steal. Now, that's not what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 4>What he's saying is instead of doing these things trying

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<v Speaker 4>to earn God's favorite in my life, now I do

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<v Speaker 4>them because I love him.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>It changes everything, changes the direction of why I why

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<v Speaker 4>I try to honor God.

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<v Speaker 2>I get to serve him.

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<v Speaker 1>I get to honor him, that's right, versus the rules

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<v Speaker 1>and that I have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's remember. So it's funny. I think kind of

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes about when I was a middle school boy. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't care. I didn't care how I looked, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>care how I smelled.

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<v Speaker 4>I tried to stay away from the showers until you

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<v Speaker 4>started noticing girls and suddenly and my mom and dad

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<v Speaker 4>they knew immediately when I started having a crush because

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<v Speaker 4>next thing, I want to take a shower, trying to

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<v Speaker 4>figure ot how to comb my hair.

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<v Speaker 3>I want nicer clothes.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, my motivation for cleaning myself was not very high.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're in middle school, you know, a stinky middle

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<v Speaker 3>school boy.

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<v Speaker 4>But when when you start noticing the girl, suddenly it's

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<v Speaker 4>not for you, it's for her, right, And he's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of saying the same thing here God, not in the

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<v Speaker 4>old way of just trying to make it better for ourselves. Instead,

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<v Speaker 4>now we serve God because we want to be clean

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<v Speaker 4>and holy people for him, because we love him because

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<v Speaker 4>of what He's done for us. Our motivation is not

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<v Speaker 4>fear of the consequences.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the law.

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<v Speaker 4>Our motivation is love for God. It changes everything. That's

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<v Speaker 4>good perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>He should Paul should have used that metaphor middle school boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when you're in middle school, you got to know

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<v Speaker 1>the feeling, right when when when I get to heave

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<v Speaker 1>an street, when you're a part of your Jewish training,

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<v Speaker 1>you should have you know, you know how that was?

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<v Speaker 1>That's really good, That's awesome. Is there anything other I

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<v Speaker 1>mean obviously, like I think people can totally relate to that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's in the like when it gets

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<v Speaker 1>into the struggling with sin part. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people can relate to that. But I also ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>as we you know, I know, we got to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>up a little bit, but I love to thank God

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<v Speaker 1>the answer is in Jesus Christ, our Lord. And if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody Jeff kind of alluded the idea of living in

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<v Speaker 1>the spirit, that's actually a part of this week's discussion too,

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<v Speaker 1>as we get further romans. So if you like or

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<v Speaker 1>like know the direction where there's going, or life the

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<v Speaker 1>direction is going, we'll talk a little bit about walking

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<v Speaker 1>in the spirit, living in the spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>But I love the fact that the answer is in

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ, our Lord.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have what it takes, we can't figure it out,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have.

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<v Speaker 2>The solution to this Jesus as a solution, which is

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<v Speaker 2>really cool.

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<v Speaker 4>I think verse twenty four to wrap up verse twenty four, Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>what a miserable person I am? Who's going to free

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<v Speaker 4>me from this life dominated by sin and death? The

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<v Speaker 4>most miserable Christians I know are the ones that are

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<v Speaker 4>rule driven, right, and as we're saying, when I'm rule driven,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm miserably good. But then he says, thank God, the

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<v Speaker 4>answer is in Jesus Christ, our Lord. See how it

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<v Speaker 4>is in my mind, I really want to obey God's law,

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<v Speaker 4>but because of my sinful nature, I'm a slave to sin.

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<v Speaker 4>So what he's saying is, when I'm rule driven, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to always be miserable. I'm going to be angry,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to be frustrated, I'm going to be disappointed

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<v Speaker 4>by myself, be guilty. But when I'm Jesus centered, I

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<v Speaker 4>understand none of us, just Heaven, none of us deserve

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<v Speaker 4>God's grace, and he loves us anyways, and he extends it.

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<v Speaker 4>So now my motivation this isn't an excuse to keep

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<v Speaker 4>going on and sinning. Instead, now my motivation to be holy,

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<v Speaker 4>it's because he loves me and I love him back.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's the motivation for our listeners this week being

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus centered, you know, just to remember that, because again

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<v Speaker 1>you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>The people that are following the rules, the laws, they aren't.

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<v Speaker 1>Miserable because it's you're it's never enough, you're always comparing,

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<v Speaker 1>you're always striving and it just doesn't add up. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching what other people are doing, trying to hold

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<v Speaker 1>them to certain standards with the idea of being Jesus centered,

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<v Speaker 1>giving people grace.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the way to.

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<v Speaker 4>And so Jesus isn't winking at sin, so he killed Jesus, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>and we can't wink at sin and go, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 4>we're all sinners. So I I'm just gonna go ahead

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<v Speaker 4>and do it anyways. No, Instead, I'm going to abstain

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<v Speaker 4>from that. Yes, not trying to earn his favor, but

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<v Speaker 4>because he loves me. Because yes, because I love him

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<v Speaker 4>back yep. And so I'm going to choose to abstain

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<v Speaker 4>from those things and not fulfill my flesh because I

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<v Speaker 4>want to walk in his spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's like you, I mean, I'm sure Valentine's Day

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<v Speaker 1>coming up, right, Yeah, I mean you might do something

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<v Speaker 1>nice for I mean, I don't know what. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what day of the week Valentine's Days, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure at some point that week you will take

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<v Speaker 1>Bonnie out on a date, not because you have to,

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<v Speaker 1>but because you want.

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<v Speaker 4>To, right, And we're going to see the Detroit Symphony Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so you are doing something and we bought take us

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<v Speaker 4>for the Detroit Symphony and they're playing the soundtrack to

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<v Speaker 4>The Princess Bride.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, while the Princess Bride is playing. Oh, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>That'll be fun, that'll be awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's gonna be so romantic because we're both Princess

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<v Speaker 3>Bride nerds.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good anyways, yes, all right, well, hey, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>guys so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope you enjoyed this episode and we'll see you

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow as we get into Roman's eight. See you