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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, we're the Bible guys, and if you're just

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<v Speaker 1>tuning in recently, just know that we are showing a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of reruns for a few months and then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be back bigger and better than ever on August

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<v Speaker 1>thirty first, because behind the scenes we're taking a hiatus

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<v Speaker 1>to do some very important things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're building building out a new studio and we've

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<v Speaker 2>got some new structure. Super excited about it. So August

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<v Speaker 2>thirty first, brand new content. But in the meantime, enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>some of our greatest hits.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Jeff, the Law is the Law.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's what we're talking about today. He's Chris, I'm Jeff,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're the Bible guys.

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<v Speaker 4>So every once in a while we do a segment

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<v Speaker 4>called mail Bags, and mail Bags is basically going through

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<v Speaker 4>email those you know, mail bags would have been like

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<v Speaker 4>David Letterman would have had physical letters, right, that's right,

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<v Speaker 4>But we're going through emails.

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<v Speaker 2>All of our twenty year old listeners and like what's

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<v Speaker 2>a man? Right?

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, So, by the way, incidentally, if you want

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<v Speaker 4>us to discuss any question that you have that you

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<v Speaker 4>would like us to discuss, just for fun, we would

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<v Speaker 4>love it if you would email us at info at

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<v Speaker 4>the Bible guys dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>But this one comes from David S.

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<v Speaker 4>And he asks this question, what's the best prank you've

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<v Speaker 4>ever pulled on someone?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Were you a prankster? And are you a prankster?

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<v Speaker 2>The troublemaker more than a prankster for me? Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Pranks require planning, and I'm not much of a planner.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you remember the guys when I moved offices that heritage,

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<v Speaker 4>they actually hooked up into the ceiling vent, into the

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<v Speaker 4>air conditioning vent, they put the Hazer, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like you know the smoke machine on stage, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Smoke machine or the fog machine on stage, and they

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<v Speaker 4>actually put it into my thing and trays like.

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<v Speaker 3>Goes, let's go in your office. I want to I

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<v Speaker 3>want to talk to you about something.

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<v Speaker 4>And all of a sudden, I look up and all

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<v Speaker 4>this fogstar's coming to my office.

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<v Speaker 2>But you thought it was smoked.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it was a legitimate problem, and so I

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<v Speaker 4>took it out and I started videoing it to show Chad,

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<v Speaker 4>which is our executive Yeah, and they were all laughing.

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<v Speaker 4>So they were all filming me and laughing. Then they

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<v Speaker 4>tried to hold me in the office and eventually my

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<v Speaker 4>whole office.

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<v Speaker 3>Can fill with smoke. Right, hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good one. Well, so Bonnie had been talking

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<v Speaker 2>about getting a tattoo for a while. Oh yeah, and so, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a tattoo, I don't think it's wrong

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. I'm just not a huge fan of tattoos.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bonnie wants to get a tattoo and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm trying to talk her out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so she goes out with one of her friends

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<v Speaker 2>who attends Heritage ivon you know who you are, and

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<v Speaker 2>they sent me a picture of Bonnie sitting in a

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<v Speaker 2>thing and she's almost done with a tattoo. This guy's

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<v Speaker 2>like on the thing like that, and she said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>will she were here or something. She sends me this

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<v Speaker 2>text and it was on her birthday and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh. Well now I'm thinking, well, I have

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<v Speaker 2>to be kind, I can't, you know. So I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>like wow, but I am like freaking out about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what in the world I thought we settled on

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<v Speaker 2>her arm? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like mom on

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<v Speaker 2>her arm or something like that. Well, it turned out

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<v Speaker 2>the guy. They went in and paid this guy to

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<v Speaker 2>draw it on her arm, color it all in and

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<v Speaker 2>then just be you know, sitting there with the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so funny, funny. So when I finally realized,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm just doing my best to be kind and decide,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm pretty much losing it because I thought we'd decided,

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<v Speaker 2>let's a crank on you. Yeah, that was a prank

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<v Speaker 2>on me. I'm not really much of a prankster, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Jenna called me one time, my daughter to tell me

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<v Speaker 2>that Bunny had been arrested because I've been trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get a hold of her, and Jenna's crying and really

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<v Speaker 2>making it real, like very real, and I was freaking

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<v Speaker 2>out about that. So people pull pranks on me, But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do a lot of pranks.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, So I do. I used to do a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of pranks.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember in college we was it was Baptist Bable

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<v Speaker 4>College BBC's what we called it. And there was a

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<v Speaker 4>guy who's still a missionary, a friend of mine. I

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<v Speaker 4>see him on Facebook, but his name is Lance Gocher. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so Lance, uh one time made us mad, and actually

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<v Speaker 4>specifically he made my friend mad, Jeff, and so Jeff

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to get him back, and Lance was really just

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<v Speaker 4>like he harped on Jeff, and by the way, with

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<v Speaker 4>good reason in a lot of ways, right, but man,

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<v Speaker 4>he just got us all sort of like wound up,

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<v Speaker 4>like this guy is just he has.

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<v Speaker 3>A common Well come on, Lance, right, come on Lance.

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<v Speaker 4>So here's here's what happened. We actually carried his furniture

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<v Speaker 4>from his dorm. We're talking like a couch, a desk, right, lamps, everything, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and we carried it down.

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<v Speaker 3>Three floors down the dorm room, three floors.

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<v Speaker 4>All the way across the co odd and we actually

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<v Speaker 4>laid it on the middle of the of the of

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<v Speaker 4>the field, the grassy knoll, in front of the cafeteria.

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<v Speaker 4>And everybody gets out of call, you know, classes at

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<v Speaker 4>the same time. They all head to the cafeteria. Every

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<v Speaker 4>he's there sort of around noon ish, and the entire

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<v Speaker 4>school is pretty much in this cafeteria. So we knew

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<v Speaker 4>that he was going to be coming across the lawn

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<v Speaker 4>and we were going to be watching him. So we

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<v Speaker 4>carried everything down. We're talking underwear, everything, clothes, everything, And

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<v Speaker 4>it took us like an hour and a half with

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<v Speaker 4>the team of people, and we carried it all the

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<v Speaker 4>way down and across the campus, and then we put

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<v Speaker 4>a sign of that said, uh BBC Patriots yard sale.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, right, Patriots was your mascot. He was.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a singing Okay, singing group was called a Patriot.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, but they are the BBC Patriots, so like the

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<v Speaker 4>basketball team is called the Patriots.

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<v Speaker 3>So for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 2>So you took everything he owned, put it out in

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<v Speaker 2>the yard and had a yard sale of his stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I literally, in my mind can still visual like he

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<v Speaker 4>was wearing a blue shirt when he was coming over

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<v Speaker 4>the lawn.

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<v Speaker 3>The wind was blowing. He had a red tie.

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<v Speaker 4>With poka dots on him, and it was actually blowing

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<v Speaker 4>in the wind, and he had a suit jacket on.

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<v Speaker 4>He was carrying a briefcase and he was looking down

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<v Speaker 4>because it was windy. And so because he was looking down,

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<v Speaker 4>he come over the lawn and the entire cafeteria was

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<v Speaker 4>all glass, And I kid you not, there was like

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<v Speaker 4>eighty people pressed against that window watching his reaction, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's two sets of glass doors, so he couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>even really see us.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of the reflection.

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<v Speaker 4>And he comes over the thing and he's looking down

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<v Speaker 3>Like garage shell on the lawn.

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<v Speaker 4>And he looks over and he looks back down. He

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<v Speaker 4>almost walks by it. Then all of a sudden, he

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<v Speaker 4>looks back over and he notices like something that looks familiar.

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<v Speaker 4>And then all of a sudden, you can just see

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<v Speaker 4>the look on his face and he drops his you know, briefcase,

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<v Speaker 4>and he looks and immediately he just starts grabbing his

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<v Speaker 4>stuff and running towards the dorm, you know, as if

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<v Speaker 4>he's going to carry everything up by himself. And so

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<v Speaker 4>we actually laughed super hard, and then believe or not,

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<v Speaker 4>we all went out and helped him carry back up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah right, So we had our you know, our laugh

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<v Speaker 4>at his expense.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>Then we had a team of people helped him back up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's hysterical. So note to self, don't mess with

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<v Speaker 2>Chris and his friends. Well, hey, sorry, sorry, Lance.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, I've had I have several other

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<v Speaker 4>pranks that I do not want to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, okay, I was thinking about the time that

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<v Speaker 2>you did that roast on me and then I sent

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<v Speaker 2>you to a really bad part of Havana oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I

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<v Speaker 2>did that one, but that's a whole other story I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to tell today.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, some things.

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<v Speaker 2>Are best left buried. Yes, so that's a fun one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well hey, thanks David S.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure, that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we know a little bit more about Zarba's character.

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't cross him.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait a minute, you're hard on me, and you don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to tell the prank that you played on me.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, nope, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, Jeff, No, we're good. Come on, Jeff, here

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<v Speaker 3>we go.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. In Romans chapter two, we're reading, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're on the list drug, we're reading in verse seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to just read, I think, to the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the chapter here and now he's speaking to

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<v Speaker 2>the Jews and explaining the law because so many people

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<v Speaker 2>in Paul's day believed, yes, the Gentiles are bad because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't have any law, any spiritual law, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>just sinners. But we have a spiritual law, so we're good.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he's going to unpack that. He says, you

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<v Speaker 2>who call yourselves Jews are relying on God's law, and

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<v Speaker 2>you boast about your special relationship with him. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what he wants, You know what is right because you've

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<v Speaker 2>been taught his law. You're convinced that you're a guide

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<v Speaker 2>for the blind and a light for the people who

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<v Speaker 2>are lost in darkness. You think you can instruct the

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<v Speaker 2>ignorant and teach children the ways of God, for you

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<v Speaker 2>are certain that God's law gives you complete knowledge and truth. Well, then,

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<v Speaker 2>if you teach others, why don't you teach yourself. You

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<v Speaker 2>tell others not to steal, but do you steal? You

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<v Speaker 2>say it's wrong to commit adultery, but do you commit adultery?

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<v Speaker 2>You condemn idolatry, but do you use items stolen from

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<v Speaker 2>pagan temples. You're so proud of knowing the law, but

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<v Speaker 2>you dishonor God by breaking it. No wonder, the scriptures

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<v Speaker 2>say the gentiles blasphem the name of God because of you,

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<v Speaker 2>the Jewish ceremonials. Circumcision has value only if you obey

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<v Speaker 2>God's law. But if you don't obey God's law, you're

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<v Speaker 2>no better off than an uncircumcised gentile. And if the

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<v Speaker 2>gentiles obey God's law, won't God declare them to be

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<v Speaker 2>his own people. In fact, uncircumcised gentiles who keep God's

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<v Speaker 2>law will condemn you Jews who are circumcised and possess

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<v Speaker 2>God's law, but don't obey it, for you are not

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<v Speaker 2>a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents,

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<v Speaker 2>or because you've gone through the ceremonial circumcision. Now, a

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<v Speaker 2>But in true circumcision is not merely obeying a letter

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<v Speaker 2>of the law. Rather, it is a change of heart

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<v Speaker 2>produced by God's spirit. And a person with a changed

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<v Speaker 2>heart seeks praise from God, not from people. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's starting to blend the lines here between Jews and

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<v Speaker 3>So somebody who's new.

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<v Speaker 3>Have to do with me?

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<v Speaker 4>Because it sounds very much like their thing right and

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<v Speaker 2>dig in and find out why. Why is it there

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's here for everybody, not just for them. So

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<v Speaker 2>what do you The principle, the general principle. There's two

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<v Speaker 2>to try to teach people to do right, you should

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<v Speaker 2>also follow your own own your own teaching right. There's

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody else as I do.

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<v Speaker 2>a certain lifestyle element. But then I went out with

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<v Speaker 2>broke all the rules personally. Yeah, And I was shocked

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<v Speaker 2>Up until that time. Up until that time, I just

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<v Speaker 2>through this. Okay, I don't like the rule, Okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>then when I found out the guy who makes the

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<v Speaker 2>fraud because I'd heard him talk about the reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>these are so important and all this stuff, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a fraud. And so Paula is saying here, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're living a fraudulent life, you're saying one thing but

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<v Speaker 2>doing another. You're claiming that you will obey God, but

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<v Speaker 2>then you're clearly disobeying him in a certain area. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is why non believers hate God. Is not that

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<v Speaker 2>they hate God, It's that they hate the people who

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and so really it's the topic. You could put

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<v Speaker 4>the topic of hypocritical Christians in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's exactly. That's the first several verses we read

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<v Speaker 2>was that, and then the second principle he's talking here about.

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<v Speaker 2>So then he decides to get a specific element, which

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<v Speaker 2>for the Jewish people in the law, the foundational element

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<v Speaker 2>was that the male Jews were circumcised, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>a demonstration of a personal physical sacrifice to God, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and that this symbolized the covenant that the people of

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<v Speaker 2>Israel had with God. And so he's going, Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 2>go to this basic element that you all brag about

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Well, here's the issue. You can follow

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<v Speaker 2>the rule, specifically the rule, but if your heart is

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<v Speaker 2>not towards God, it doesn't matter. So then the heart

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<v Speaker 2>is God's initial thing, that's really his thing that he's

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<v Speaker 2>going after. So that means that you can have people

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<v Speaker 2>who have not gone through that ceremony they have a

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<v Speaker 2>right heart with God, and you're gonna have people who

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<v Speaker 2>did go through the ceremony who have a bad heart

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<v Speaker 2>for God. And so he said the ceremony is just

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<v Speaker 2>a symbol, but it's really about what's going on in

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<v Speaker 2>your heart. So those are the two big principles. He's

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<v Speaker 2>speaking specifically with cultural elements for their circumstance. But you

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<v Speaker 2>can take the principles and go, Okay, you know what, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I should obey God's law, but I shall also do

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<v Speaker 2>it with a good heart, right heart towards God.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, it reminds me very much of

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<v Speaker 4>the Sermon on the Mount, you know, when Jesus was

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<v Speaker 4>trying to let the Pharisees and the religious leaders know

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<v Speaker 4>like they're just as sinful as everybody else, right, And

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<v Speaker 4>he says, like, you know, for instance, when he says,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you pride yourselves because you don't commit murder, right,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's like a really big sin. But you guys

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<v Speaker 4>sin too, in fact, when you call each other fool,

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<v Speaker 4>it's what he says. He says, you're just as guilty

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<v Speaker 4>if you're on the list. You're on the list, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And he says, you know, you pride yourself or not

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<v Speaker 4>having adultery committing adultery, but if you look at a

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<v Speaker 4>woman and lust after, you commit adultery in your own heart,

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<v Speaker 4>and so both sins are still sins, right, right, you're

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<v Speaker 4>on the list. And so he's talking about that. And

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<v Speaker 4>so it's this idea that when people are condemning others,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't realize that they too are condemned. And the

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<v Speaker 4>hypocritical Christians a whole different category as well, because the

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<v Speaker 4>hypocritical Christian is the one who condemns somebody and then

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<v Speaker 4>secretly does it, you know, but they think they do

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<v Speaker 4>it in secret, but everybody knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I've heard multiple things. I think Gandhi

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<v Speaker 2>had a minister friend, a Christian friend, and they communicated

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<v Speaker 2>all the way to Gandhi's death. They loved each other

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<v Speaker 2>as friends, and he commented one time that he felt

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<v Speaker 2>like the issue wasn't with Jesus. The issue with was

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<v Speaker 2>what the people claimed to be following Jesus. Right, it

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<v Speaker 2>was hard to follow Jesus when I look at the

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<v Speaker 2>people who follow Jesus. Yeah, and he was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>implying it. That's not the quote. I don't remember the

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<v Speaker 2>exact quote, but that's the sentiment behind what he had communicated. That,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we do, I think, need to be conscious

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<v Speaker 2>of the fact that if we wear Jesus' name, we

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<v Speaker 2>represent him period, all the time, at our best moments

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<v Speaker 2>and our worst moments. So we need to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that we are putting our best foot forward with the

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<v Speaker 2>way that we're choosing to live our life, That we

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<v Speaker 2>do the things we say, that we behave the way

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<v Speaker 2>that Jesus would behave, That we don't make excuses for

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<v Speaker 2>our sins, that we keep a short account with the

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<v Speaker 2>people that we are around, that we don't live a

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<v Speaker 2>hypocritical life, because he says, it's no wonder the scriptures

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<v Speaker 2>say that the Gentiles blasphem the name of God. Because

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<v Speaker 2>of you. So even God's aware of the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>man sometimes they don't hate God, they hate the followers

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<v Speaker 2>of God, and they're like, I just don't even want

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<v Speaker 2>to be like that. And I think that this is

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the most important thing in this passage for me

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<v Speaker 2>today is to be contemplating the idea of does my

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<v Speaker 2>life make people feel inspired to say, hey, he has

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<v Speaker 2>something I don't have. I want to know the God

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<v Speaker 2>he knows, or do they look at me and go

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<v Speaker 2>what he claims he has doesn't make any difference at all,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's a total fraud, and so I don't need

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<v Speaker 2>anything that he has. Right, That's really a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Our testimony really does matter. I don't do

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<v Speaker 2>it to please people. I do it to please God.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm aware of the impact on people with the

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<v Speaker 2>things that I live in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think it's important for any any of

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<v Speaker 4>our listeners to realize that, you know, if you know,

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<v Speaker 4>none of us are perfect, right, none of us are perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's one thing to be an.

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<v Speaker 4>Imperfect Christian and to know it to walk around in

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<v Speaker 4>humility and just say, hey, I'm not perfect. I know

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<v Speaker 4>I mess up. And then when you encourage others or

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<v Speaker 4>talk about others. You know, that's different than what's being

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<v Speaker 4>talked about here. Right, what's being talked about here is hypocrisy,

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<v Speaker 4>saying do as I say, not as I do. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>Here's here's my thought. My thought was, I do I

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<v Speaker 4>do funerals, and I've done like over the course of

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<v Speaker 4>my career, like eight hundred few and so you know,

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes the funeral will call me, and they'll call me

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<v Speaker 4>because the family has some connection to church, so they

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<v Speaker 4>want a pastor to do a funeral, but they don't

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<v Speaker 4>have connection to church enough to have a specific pastor

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<v Speaker 4>to call. So the funeral will call me and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>they want some sort of faith based funeral, so I'll go.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm I kid you not when I say this,

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<v Speaker 4>I would bet you upwards of eighty five to ninety

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<v Speaker 4>percent of people will say, yeah, I believe in God personally,

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<v Speaker 4>but none of us go to church. And I would

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<v Speaker 4>say that of that eighty five to ninety percent who

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<v Speaker 4>say that, I would say more than half of them.

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<v Speaker 3>So they stopped going to church because of hypocrites.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's like, so we have to understand like

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<v Speaker 4>the damage that this causes. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>times we're tempted to think that, hey, it's my choice,

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<v Speaker 4>my life, you know, my decision. Don't tell me how

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<v Speaker 4>to live my life, you know, because everybody you know,

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<v Speaker 4>don't don't get into my business. Faith should be private.

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<v Speaker 4>But yet the Bible tells us that faith is actually

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<v Speaker 4>not private. Faith is actually communal, right, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's personal, it's between you and God, yes, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not private.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's not private at all, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And your decisions and the way that you live your

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<v Speaker 4>life matter because if you're going to you know, boast

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<v Speaker 4>about Christ and invite people to church, and you know

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<v Speaker 4>where your church gear on, your on your sweatshirt, and

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to do all those different things, and if

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<v Speaker 4>you're living a lifestyle that's entirely different, just know this. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, in the next couple of chapters, Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to say the fact that we're all sinners

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<v Speaker 2>for somebody who's a follower of Christ who is claiming

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<v Speaker 2>the grace of God in their life to go, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're all sinners, so it that's non excuse.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, what should He's going to say this in

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<v Speaker 2>keep on sinning so that grace will abound? He goes, No,

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<v Speaker 2>God forbid. So he's making it clear, we don't use

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that we're sinners as an excuse to just

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<v Speaker 2>keep misbehaving. Now that you're a godly person, you've been

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<v Speaker 2>And we should be grieved when we do sin. There

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<v Speaker 2>should never be a time when we go, ah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>a short account with God, confessing our sins those things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredibly important. But the difference is here, the hypocritical

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<v Speaker 2>side is hypocrisy does so much more damage. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I've never heard I've never one time heard

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<v Speaker 2>a person say, you know what my problem is I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just a hypocrite. We never think that we're the hypocrites.

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<v Speaker 2>We think that other people's behaviors hip it or critical.

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<v Speaker 2>We almost never think our own is. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is a little bit of a challenge, quite honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>to them to measure yourself. Here are you measuring up

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<v Speaker 2>to what you're claiming? If you're not measuring up to

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<v Speaker 2>what you're claiming, you're probably doing damage to Jesus' testimony

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<v Speaker 2>and jesus reputation to the people around you. So whenever

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<v Speaker 2>I read these things, I don't come away feeling like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a bum. I come away going am I living

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<v Speaker 2>up to what I'm claiming? If I'm not? I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to be better. I want to be better, and

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<v Speaker 2>through His grace I can be God can empower me

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<v Speaker 2>be better. It's not impossible to be a better representation

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<v Speaker 2>of Jesus yesterday than I what or tomorrow than I

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<v Speaker 2>was yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yep, yesterday was wrong. Yesterday I misbehaved, I did something.

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<v Speaker 2>God forgive me. I don't want that to be who

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<v Speaker 2>I am. I want to be more like Jesus. Help

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<v Speaker 2>me to be at a representation of you today and

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow and you go forward. God's grace is enough. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>carry you through. It's not an excuse. It should inspire

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<v Speaker 2>us to go, Hey, if I can hurt Christ's testimony

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<v Speaker 2>in reputation in the community, that means I can also

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<v Speaker 2>help it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So there's a flip side to this negative, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is if I choose to not be a hypocrite

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<v Speaker 2>and I choose to truly be a person on my

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<v Speaker 2>word and a person who is honestly living out their

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<v Speaker 2>faith and grace and truth, that can be a benefit

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<v Speaker 2>to God's reputation in the community. Yeah, the equal response

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<v Speaker 2>to the other side.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So all those principles are radically true, and we

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<v Speaker 4>need to keep in mind at the same time that

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<v Speaker 4>the reaction to that challenge should never be try harder,

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<v Speaker 4>It should be submit more to Christ. Yes, so try

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<v Speaker 4>harder means you have the strength to obey, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and be a better boy or a better girl. And

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<v Speaker 4>the bottom line is is like, yeah, we do in

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of ways. We can make decisions and we

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<v Speaker 4>can make choices, but the reality is is that the

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<v Speaker 4>big crime, in my opinion, the big crime of the

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<v Speaker 4>church is putting it on the person and saying like

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<v Speaker 4>you need to be better, do better, behave, quit it,

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<v Speaker 4>stop it. You know you're a bad person. And the

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<v Speaker 4>reality is is like, yeah, okay, wait a minute, let's

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<v Speaker 4>really get a perspective on here. The reaction isn't try harder.

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<v Speaker 4>The reaction is to submit and say, God, I know

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have the power to be what you want

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<v Speaker 4>me to be. So therefore I submit to you, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm asking you to give me the power and the

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<v Speaker 4>strength to say no or to say yes to the

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<v Speaker 4>good things. You know, give me the strength to make

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<v Speaker 4>the right choices because in my own power, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>try really hard, but I'm going to fail. And the

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<v Speaker 4>only way I'm not going to fail is if I'm

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<v Speaker 4>living in your power.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, Yeah, So there's there's a there's the element

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<v Speaker 2>of character, which is always a day, that's a daily,

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<v Speaker 2>moment by moment choice. And there's also the element of

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<v Speaker 2>total dependence on God's grace to do what we cannot do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, But I don't expect God to step in

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<v Speaker 2>and do something I could do. Right, That's unreasonable, Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. Right. So if I when I'm faced with

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<v Speaker 2>a lie right now, I choose to lie. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>choose to lie, and I don't necessarily need God to

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<v Speaker 2>supernaturally intervene to prevent my lie. I can just choose

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<v Speaker 2>to tell the truth. I can. So there is that

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<v Speaker 2>character element, and then there's also the total dependence on

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<v Speaker 2>God's provision and grace to overcome those things that I

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<v Speaker 2>can't possibly overcome my own. And there's kind of this

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<v Speaker 2>mutual partnership in this developing the character of Christ in

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<v Speaker 2>our life. And that's the struggle. And I think sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>when people misunderstand, it's because they've taken the opposite side

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<v Speaker 2>of the meaning of what we're trying to say sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>on those but I think it's a perpetual struggle. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why we're working out our faith, as Paul says in

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<v Speaker 2>one of the other books. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>His grace is enough, and so that that's we have

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<v Speaker 2>to live in that tension all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you use the example of making a choice

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<v Speaker 4>to tell a lie. I think the thing that we

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<v Speaker 4>hardly ever do with ourselves is to actually ask yourself,

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<v Speaker 4>why are you telling the lie?

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you tell a lie in the first place.

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<v Speaker 4>It's probably more so where you have to go to

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<v Speaker 4>God and say, help me change that in my life,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's the thing that I don't have the power

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<v Speaker 4>to change myself in your strength. Well, that's a good

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<v Speaker 4>place to end and we will pick up tomorrow on

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<v Speaker 4>the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys,