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Welcome to the DC Beer Show tariff edition,

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20% more expensive than your normal podcast. We

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are at DC Beer across social media.

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Jordan, what are you drinking tonight? Hello, friends. It's been a while. I've missed you

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all dearly. I'm drinking still some hops, but, a a

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lower ABV for the the typical hops here. Meridian of Time, Lost

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Generation, West Coast style Pilsner with, the first time I've

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I think I've ever knowingly had Vista hops in,

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Nelson. So shout out to Jared and Cody for the, for the love. I definitely

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appreciate it. It's been delicious. Brandy,

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what's in your handy? That was adorable.

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Brandy, what's in your handy, handy, brandy. I love

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that handy dandy, brandy. I'm here for it.

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Well, brandy is double thisten today. I, I

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wanna shout out because I did have an ESB themed day

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today. I visited henceforth this morning

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and enjoyed some little quality

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time with Ben and Michael and just got to see more of

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the space, took some photographs. And of

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course they gave me an ESB, which is delightful. And

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then I had a little tiny bit of time. So I went to other half

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where my other half is and had all fuggles,

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everything, another ESB. So it's been a, a

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theme day. I had tacos for dinner

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courtesy of other half my other half, not the brewery. And I'm

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so I'm drinking a margarita with some mezcal drippity in

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there, but I also, am double fisting

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and think this is the last can of from my Commonwealth

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Virginia Beach adventures. This is the smoked helix

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locker aged in oak. This beer really should

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just have a metal or a hundred or something.

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I've loved it's fucking beer so much. Here at the Commonwealth, can

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you just send this to me in, some sort of

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bag so I can put it into my veins? Thank you. Mister

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Stein, what are you drinking? I am drinking

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Midwest Condensation.

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This is a beer from Blue Jacket. They're calling it a Czech style

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pale lager, 3.8% ABV.

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And while I'm having it from a can tonight, I had it on draft,

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earlier today at the source at Blue Jacket.

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Now Midwest condensation is a special beer because

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it's got valley malt. Our friend Andrea Stanley, who was in

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town, in the fall, last fall,

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malted a batch of Jallovic's, special Czech

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style malt. So it's a special

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beer thanks to the special malt, not to mention Roe Gunzel and

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Colin Jordan are special people who brewed it. But mostly, we're saying thank

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you to Andrea Stanley and Valley Malt who brewed this beer.

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Jacob Berg Jacob scoops Berg. What's in your

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scooping steiner seidel

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today? Well, I was all set

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for the spring and summer seasonals. And then

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as we start recording, it turns out there's a wind chill of, like, 30 degrees,

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and I thought, oh, well, I guess it's porter weather.

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It's a good thing that I have here

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Chocolate City Porter brewed at Third Hill by our

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very own Jordan Harvey and assisted by

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11 other past, present,

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future, black owned breweries. You know, Jordan and I

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did a piece on this, and you can check it out at dcbeer.com.

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It's pretty green in terms of the hopping, but I

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kinda like how the I think it's cascade kinda it's kinda slides since,

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like, this chocolate. It's interesting that way,

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and it went well with chili. The chili

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was made with busty lush

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nonalcoholic oatmeal dark.

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is the one that Brandy gave me. So shout out to busty

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lush. I would say probably at a 12 ounce can. Again,

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women owned NA brand. Eight ounces into

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chili, four ounces directly into me.

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I thought it was a perfectly cromulent NA beer. I really

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like that Breeze brands are getting much better at

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this. It makes me feel better. It doesn't drinking those things doesn't taste

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like a wart. So, like, flaps all

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around, snaps all around, like, good job. Except

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that it would be nice if it were 65 and sunny, and I could drink

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off the little bit. But Like it was today, but

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I had a smoking George smoke porter

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at Bluejacket today on Cask, which

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is a collaboration between Blue Jacket and

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Moore Beer, our friend Justin Moore, who was on the DC Beer

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Show during our Snally Gaster feature.

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Speaking of our show, our next episode will be out on

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Tuesday, April 22. A bit of a change

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up to the DC Beer Show. Every other

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two every other Tuesday after April twenty second is our new

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schedule. What's coming down the pike

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regarding scheduling looking forward to April, May,

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and months ahead? Oh, well, I I hope a lot of folks,

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enjoyed National Beer Day. Obviously, that was this week. And,

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I saw a number of, saw a copious amount of beer on my

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Instagram feed. So it looked like people were in full spirit celebrating

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that. Trivia, obviously, at at other half. And,

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against a couple other events just kinda popping up throughout the spring, with Earth

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Day for all of those that celebrate and also

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the the April 20 for those that celebrate. But, also,

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I think Brandy's cooking up a couple things with the the Women Brew Culture Club.

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So, Brandy, tell us about that. Yes.

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So this month is gonna be the first official

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month that Amber, our dear, wonderful, lovely

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friend and beefy beer member and women's brew

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culture club, amazing human, will

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be hosting her own women's brew culture club

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Baltimore branch event. So I'm so excited for

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Amber. She really, since day one, has been the

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number one, women's food culture club advocate.

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She brings so many folks each time. And, you

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know, she's always there with the photos, with the support.

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She's big into paint booths now. She just participated

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and represented women's brew culture club at a Baltimore

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all women, business slash brewery

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beer collaboration. And, so thank you to Amber for

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that. But she will be doing the Baltimore branch first,

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event at Pickett Brewing, the same exact weekend on that

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Sunday that I'm doing the women's brew culture club here in

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DC, which is the April, the

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twenty sixth. The twenty sixth

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and twenty seventh. The twenty sixth will be at Shelter

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Slash The Roost Slash Show Of Hands with our friend,

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Ally, an RG amazing superhero

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she is. And, I'm so excited for that weekend.

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I will sadly miss this upcoming weekend's

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beer share on Sunday. It is very unlikely

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to miss a beer share. I think maybe I've missed two or

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maybe three in those past how many years now.

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But, I will be in San Diego with my other dear

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friend, Lauren, another women's for culture club friend. So

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I'm so excited about being in San Diego, but I do have FOMO

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and sadness for missing the beer share. So please, everyone, represent

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with us, on this Sunday, actually, the third

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seed of April at Atlas in Ivy City. So I

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think my boys will be there. You guys are gonna be there. Right? Oh,

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yeah. That's right. Yeah. Brandy, you have no

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FOMO. You're going to be enjoying

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a delicious tomato free fish taco with

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onion, cilantro, and the house,

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AOE tomato free, and we'll just be like, man,

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we are crushing it at Atlas, but darn it. We wish we're in San

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Diego having some delicious fish tacos and West Coast

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style Pilsner hanging with Lauren on the on the beach side or on

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the boardwalk. So but come see us at Atlas. Yeah. You

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know, we're holding it down for you while you're out of town. Yeah. No. Thank

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you. All I ask is that you you drink all of the North Park hazy's

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and the pure hazy's that I can't have. And even the other South is

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gonna be purely do a lot of great things, just like a lot of,

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photo age, just hours. Just it's just a great space. And I know you know

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that, but just, you know, have fun in San Diego. We'll hold it down. Come

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see us at the beer share. I will always bring a

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contribution from the great city of Atlanta. I just don't know if it's

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gonna be Monday night or if it's gonna be halfway halfway crooks. We gotta see

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which what I'm feeling, depending upon the weather. Because, again, we're in our we

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had our fall spring, so now we're kinda in back in their

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forties and fifties. So we'll see what it looks like on on Sunday, and that'll

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dictate my, my bottle decision. See you.

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I'm here for the teaser. Show up to find out

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what Jordan what goodies Jordan brought us.

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I know it's gonna be something, a bit out of the ordinary, a

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one off or a seasonal or a specialty release, so I'm looking

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forward to that. Jake, what are you looking forward to as we

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look ahead into April? And what are you drinking? I actually

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wanna I actually wanna jump ahead

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from April to May just real quick because there are

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two ticketed events coming up in May. In the middle

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of the month, it's the Maryland Craft Beer Festival in Frederick.

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Be there, Carroll Creek, always a good good time. Just walk around Carroll

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Creek. Good beer, good vendors, good

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food. And then two weeks after that at DC

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Brow, last year, drafts and crafts was at Dock

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5. This goes proceeds go to the DC Brewers

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Guild. It's gonna be at DC Brow, I believe, the

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last Saturday from one

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to sixth. Brandy, I think you'll

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be pouring there. I will probably get roped into

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pouring because if I walk around at a beer festival, I'm gonna end up

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pouring someone's beer. That's just what happens. I have a Those are

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the facts. That way. Yeah. I've actually So Yeah. I'll be pouring

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for launch duration that day. I'm always so happy to rep,

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my dear friends, Anne and Jared. And, you know,

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obviously feeling some sense here and there

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and then here and there and here and there for the entirety of the event.

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But I need to realize that it's a brow. That's awesome. I don't have to

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Yay. But back to April real quick.

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Fest. They'll have a cup like, a bunch of cool things. Watch their social

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media for that sort of stuff. You wanna, like, get your early,

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practice in for Stein holding? You can do it there. I

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think they're probably gonna have some sort of, like, unfiltered super cool

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German gravity keg. Check out

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that. And, also, Cezanne, back at Blue Jacket. This

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is Alec Ash's thirtieth year. They'll be bringing some

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goodies. Blue Jack will have a couple Saisons on. We

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all just poured Briefly Gorgeous, their collab with Lost Generation

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at Metro Bar. They'll have that. They'll have a couple more as

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well. Should be a good time. But, you know,

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plus Brandy on the socials, making reels and such.

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We'll keep you up to date. Best way for

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Or more, you can even buy an annual membership. Isn't that right,

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Jordan? Excellent. Please welcome DC's newest

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brewery, henceforth, on H Street to the podcast.

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Please welcome, henceforth, cofounders, Michael Spinello

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and Ben Mullet. Thank you for being on the show.

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Thanks, Jake. So I guess your next question is,

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you all have an opening date yet. That's a,

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that's a great question. We so we have a mark on the wall,

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and we are planning to open the weekend of the nineteenth and the

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twentieth, which is Easter weekend. A lot of that

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will depend on, the next twenty four

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hours and, some inspections that we have

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coming up and then the the city's process for, processing

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our our CFO and our permits and licenses.

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We, we feel it is important to have that mark on the

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wall because it keeps things moving in a positive direction.

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Without a hard date like that, things tend to to

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flounder a little bit. So we're we're keeping that mark on the wall.

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But if it needs to be adjusted, we'll we'll let everybody know

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through our social media and our website. The name

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And the the longer answer, which I'll try to keep short, is

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that it's it's about personal agency. And,

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you know, we all have these moments in our lives and throughout

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our lives where, there are inflection

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points and we pivot, whether that's, you

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know, something large or small, whether it's personal or professional.

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And this is, you know, this has been a pivot for me professionally.

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It's it's been a it it's we are hoping it it will

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be a pivot for, the industry a little bit, in terms of

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the approach towards having a craft brewery and what a what it means to be

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a craft brewery. And we're really hoping that

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it's a bit of a an inflection point for H Street as

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well. We are a neighborhood brew pub, and,

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h Street really took a took a beating during COVID.

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There's been a lot of momentum building, and we, you

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know, intend for this business to be an anchor business in the neighborhood

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and are hoping that it helps build that momentum towards the the

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revitalization of what is really a a a wonderful neighborhood and a

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and a great street. So that's the long answer. The short

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answer is, frankly, you know,

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henceforth means from this point on, and and, I just reached a point in

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my professional career where I decided that, I was no longer

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gonna work for assholes. There's an old joke where, you

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talk about you can have a hundred thousand dollars, but the worst

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person you know gets $50,000. And the punchline is,

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well, I just got myself a hundred and $50,000.

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That is that's what that reminded me of. Yeah.

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It's, you know, we we want to we

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want henceforth to be a place where people can go and celebrate those

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inflection points. You know? Big victories,

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small victories, you know, just just

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a a a neighborhood living room, where they can

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go and meet their friends, meet their neighbors, and

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and celebrate those inflection points or or plan for their next

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one. So earlier, you mentioned

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an inflection point for the beer industry as

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well. Wondering if you can expand a bit on that.

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Sure. So, you know, I think

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the prime beer drinking demographic,

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has grown up, frankly.

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And the typical craft brewery doesn't

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feel as though it has kept a pace. You

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know, and I understand the economics behind it,

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but a lot of craft breweries are still

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very much a warehouse feel, and,

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you know, they're cold and they're hard and and lots of,

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you know, hard surfaces and picnic tables.

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And, you know, when the

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craft beer drinkers are in their mid thirties to mid to

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late forties, sitting at a picnic

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table for more than an hour starts to wear on you. And,

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so we we are taking a slightly different approach.

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We're we want our brewery to

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be a we want it to feel more like your living room, frankly.

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You know, we want you to come in and get comfortable and, have a back

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on your seat, and have a seat that is

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comfortable to sit in for for a long period of time and just

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settle in and

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strike up a conversation with the person sitting next to you and enjoy the beers

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and and, take your time, without feeling as though

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it's a hard, uncomfortable space or that it's

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too loud because of all the hard surfaces.

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So that's that's kinda what we mean. So beer

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is a product and that it's manufactured. And

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so a lot of times when craft brewers are

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looking to open, they're looking at those industrial

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spaces, spaces that used to house manufacturing.

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At one point, 13 30 five h Street before

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many moons before it was h Street Country Club was

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in the laundry business. I think it was ice cream

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factory, but it doesn't look like

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any other brewery in DC, really.

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Ben, I wonder if you can talk a little bit about the challenges of

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turning that space into a

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brew house for a brew pub. Absolutely.

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There were many challenges. So

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you've had the privilege of seeing the space. You've seen that it is very

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narrow. It is very long, and our ceilings

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vary in height. So when we were

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selecting our equipment, we were very space conscious. We were very height

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conscious. Our house manufacturer, Konig,

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was very willing to work with us on all of our, what we'll call

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limitations, in height, trying to get what it

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is that we wanted from a system, to fit in the space that we

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have. When

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we first started, there was a lot of work to even prep that

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space, for the floors that we got. There is

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a substantial amount of concrete, underneath everything

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in that space. So trying to get

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everything laid out for the trench drains, having the floor sloped

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correctly, getting the tile in, everything was very

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conscious on how much is this going to elevate above where we

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currently are, and it's everything that we have, selected

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for the space going to fit. And it does fit.

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Getting everything through the door was a challenge. We had

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very little room for error, but we got it all

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in. And to be honest, we ended up with a little bit of extra square

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footage, which we are gonna utilize to the best of our ability,

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to make even more fun stuff. A certain

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large media conglomerate

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owned by a billionaire mentioned that

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henceforth was a place to watch in terms of,

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like, restaurants, and other spots.

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Most anticipated spring openings. They use the

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phrase, and I quote, frosty microbrews.

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How do you all feel about that? Frosty

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is an interesting term. Personally, I'm

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against frosted glasses. They make things a little bit too cold, and they

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they kill flavor. But I see what they're trying to get

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at and and, make it an enticing thing.

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And we hope that our beers are enticing. You know, we're gonna start out with

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a lot of classic styles and traditional beers just to kinda

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showcase that, we understand what those beers

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are, why they are the way they are. And then as we get in the

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full swing of things, we can elaborate on those and and kinda

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showcase the fun things that we can do, based on

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those styles. So we'll get there, but we're gonna open up and and show

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everybody that we understand why these viewers are what they

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are, and and we're gonna give you the best example of those in there.

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You all are a brew pub as opposed to a

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production brewery. And so this

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question is probably going to be answered

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differently by different people.

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What are you looking at in terms of tariffs,

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the trade war, in terms of the materials coming in,

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whether it's grain used to make the beer

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or glass or metal?

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Most of our suppliers as far as, you know, raw ingredients,

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have a relatively good stock of things.

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And so it'll take a little bit of time, for that to affect us on

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that front. Luckily, we've purchased most of our major

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equipment already. So as far as bringing in

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stainless and stuff like that, we've already got it.

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I understand how this affects a lot of

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breweries most breweries and will affect just about every

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brewery as time, goes on. But in the short

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term, we're okay ish.

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You know, I think part of our model is also the,

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the inclusion of, our wine bar,

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and some other, offerings in our space as

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well. And and that does, you know, expose us

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to to the potential for tariffs. You know? There there are rumors of a

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200% tariff on imported wine and

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spirits, and that's

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that's not something to blink at.

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Our conversations with distributors, for our wine

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program, they they all seem to be indicating

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that they have anticipated this, and they have six months to a year

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worth of of inventory.

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So, you know, I think Yeah. You know, you you do the best you

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can, and you plan, for for what

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could happen. You plan for the worst and hope for the best, and,

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you know, we'll navigate this terrain as as we, as we're faced with

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it. Mike, you used to work in the wine industry

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many moons ago, and I'm wondering

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if this makes you somewhat uniquely positioned to

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sell drinkers who don't normally drink beer

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on beer? You know, I don't know that

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I'm uniquely positioned to sell beer. You

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know, I think Ben is uniquely positioned to sell beer.

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I think the staff that that we have, our management team is uniquely

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positioned. I don't think I'm any more, you

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know, in any better position than anyone else.

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But, you know, I think what it does offer is

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the the perspective on,

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you you know, having options there available for

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people who may not be beer drinkers.

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But it also gives us that opportunity in the brewery,

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to keep those non beer drinkers around and hopefully,

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introduce them to a style that maybe they weren't familiar with.

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You know, and and and it's, you know, we're always looking whether it's beer or

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wine. We'll always be looking for that, if you'll forgive the term, that

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gateway beverage, that brings somebody

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new into the fold, somebody who thinks, oh, you know, I didn't think I liked

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beer until I tried this particular style or this particular beer that you

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make, and the same thing on the wine side. And that's

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fun for us. You know? It's it's sort of welcoming somebody new

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into into the the brotherhood or the sisterhood of

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of, appreciating craft beverages. And

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you're known for, indeed,

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GABF, Great American Beer Festival, medals for,

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I would say, at least one style that I think has little esoteric

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and unknown to US drinkers, although maybe

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with Granville Moors nearby and DC being

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international city, people have seen a Belgian double

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before. How did you get into

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that particular style in particular? Like, what what was it

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about this beer that I think you all will open with that

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spoke to you? So the first time I ever brewed a Belgian

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double, it was for a

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a kind of a a guided beer

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dinner, you know, food and beer pairing. And

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the chef came to me and said, hey. You know, I'm I'm working on this

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dish, and here are the flavors that are to go along with it. You know,

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what do you have on hand that would go with that? And I thought about

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it, and, honestly, the answer was nothing. I didn't have anything, you know, ready to

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go that would go with that. And I said, but here's something that I've been

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wanting to do for a little while. Give me a few

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days to, you know, do a deep dive on it. We can get

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everything in house, and we can get this brewed up and be ready, you know,

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in just a few weeks. So we did that. It was an amazing

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beer. I really enjoyed it. I've really enjoyed Belf

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Pierce for a long time. So getting to that opportunity to

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kinda push the envelope where I was at the time,

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to do that was awesome. And since then, honestly, it's been one of my

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favorite, beers to brew. I've done a few

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different variations of it, throughout the years, and it's

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continued to be one that, you know, every every time I brew it, it it

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makes my heart happy. I hope that when we do debut

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it, everybody that gets checked, I hope it does the same.

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It makes my heart happy to drink it, Ben. So When

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you all are brewing there, I noted

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and you all pointed out that you're going to be

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going from the bright tank. So from the serving

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tanks directly, obviously,

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through a dispenser, through the taps, but to

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the customer as opposed to kegging kegging the beer first.

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Wondering if you can say a little bit about that since I believe if

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you all have 12 taps and nine of them go from

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bright tank to the tap without being keg

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first, that makes you all

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is number one in terms of

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tap, tank to tap beer dispensing system. I

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believe that Blue Jacket could do eight,

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but they often have somewhere between, I think, three and

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six

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Yeah. Congratulations. For us, the the biggest draw for

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us to serve our beer that

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way is beer is a very dynamic beverage.

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The more you manipulate it, the more there is for potential chain.

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Every gas every, you know,

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coupling you make, every hose you put the beer through, every

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two every time you move, there's there's a potential

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for oxygen pickup. There's a potential for contamination.

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Either way, you're you're moving that beer around. For us to serve

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directly out of our bright tanks is is minimizing as

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much as we can, how much we're

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moving and potential degradation of that beer.

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We're giving you that beer as fresh as we can make it in as close

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to, its form that we intended for

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you to drink all the way up until when we slide that beer

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across the bar to you. We have controlled everything. We

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have made sure that our cleanliness has been checked. We made sure that

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every fitting gasket connection has been as tight, as

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clean as possible. Those draft lines are maintained to our standards.

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When you get the beer in your glass, in your

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hand, it is as close to as what we intended, as it could

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be. And that's very quality is very important to us.

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So so making sure that we control all those standards is is very

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important. You're pretty much going to brew and then

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sell everything on-site. Are you gonna do

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growlers, crowlers, something along those lines?

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We will do crowlers, not day one.

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Give us a little bit of time to to get

480
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our feet under us, then we will. And then our hope is in the

481
00:30:31.875 --> 00:30:35.620
future that we will do some smaller four pack,

482
00:30:35.620 --> 00:30:39.380
six pack offerings, for retail just out of our

483
00:30:39.380 --> 00:30:43.220
space, not for distribution. But it'll take us a little bit

484
00:30:43.220 --> 00:30:46.820
of time to get there. Would that be bringing in a mobile

485
00:30:46.820 --> 00:30:50.664
canning unit, something along those lines? We would most likely get

486
00:30:50.664 --> 00:30:54.505
our own small unit. I've used mobile canners in

487
00:30:54.505 --> 00:30:57.945
the past, and they're great. Yeah. A lot of them have

488
00:30:57.945 --> 00:31:01.544
adjusted their minimum runs. But for us to be able to do

489
00:31:01.544 --> 00:31:05.149
short runs of things, will allow us to keep everything very, very fresh.

490
00:31:05.610 --> 00:31:09.129
So nothing you get from us will be have been sitting on the shelf

491
00:31:09.129 --> 00:31:12.889
for three, four months, waiting for us to run

492
00:31:12.889 --> 00:31:16.730
through inventory. It'll all be very fresh. I also note that you're gonna

493
00:31:16.730 --> 00:31:20.265
open with an ESV. Do you have plans to

494
00:31:20.265 --> 00:31:24.025
dispense from, say, a FERKIN or a beer engine at

495
00:31:24.025 --> 00:31:27.405
any point? Perhaps in the future. Not initially.

496
00:31:27.784 --> 00:31:31.405
Everyone's gonna run through our our main draft system.

497
00:31:32.105 --> 00:31:34.850
But we'll keep it in mind for for for the future.

498
00:31:35.550 --> 00:31:39.090
Alright. Now here comes, I think, a difficult question.

499
00:31:39.470 --> 00:31:43.070
Forgive me. And this goes back to, Michael, something you mentioned

500
00:31:43.070 --> 00:31:46.605
about sort of craft beer growing up and that, you

501
00:31:46.605 --> 00:31:49.905
know, I think we're all in a certain demographic here.

502
00:31:50.365 --> 00:31:53.965
And we also note that the the youths who are, you know,

503
00:31:53.965 --> 00:31:57.725
between the ages of 21 and perhaps 30, 30

504
00:31:57.725 --> 00:32:01.420
five, seem to be drinking less beer.

505
00:32:02.360 --> 00:32:05.020
You all are gonna have wine and cocktails.

506
00:32:06.120 --> 00:32:09.580
Do you think that you'll be able

507
00:32:09.800 --> 00:32:13.635
to sort of to introduce those folks to

508
00:32:13.635 --> 00:32:17.475
beer? I think so. You know, one of

509
00:32:17.475 --> 00:32:21.315
our plans is, you know, Ben is looking into

510
00:32:21.315 --> 00:32:24.940
brewing nonalcoholic options. We will certainly have

511
00:32:24.940 --> 00:32:27.840
nonalcoholic options in the rest of our beverage program.

512
00:32:29.340 --> 00:32:33.179
But, you know, there's also you know, there are low

513
00:32:33.179 --> 00:32:37.019
alcohol opportunities there, especially with

514
00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:40.544
beer, where you can,

515
00:32:41.405 --> 00:32:45.085
you know, we can we can sort of ease people into, the

516
00:32:45.085 --> 00:32:48.285
beer world without necessarily feeding them, you know, a

517
00:32:48.285 --> 00:32:51.804
7.8% ABV, beer right out of the

518
00:32:51.804 --> 00:32:55.580
gate. Again, it's it's looking for those those gateway beverages

519
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:59.480
that that help somebody who's not familiar with with the

520
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.980
beer, or with wine,

521
00:33:04.120 --> 00:33:07.875
you know, ease their way into into to trying it and

522
00:33:08.115 --> 00:33:11.955
starting to appreciate the the craft behind it. Alright. Real

523
00:33:11.955 --> 00:33:15.475
quick for, for both of you. Most

524
00:33:15.475 --> 00:33:18.915
recent really good non henceforth beer that you've

525
00:33:18.915 --> 00:33:22.440
had that's kind of stuck with you? You? Most

526
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.800
reason, I had a really good Bilzer, from Port

527
00:33:25.800 --> 00:33:29.640
City that I really appreciate. I'm a

528
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:33.480
I'm a big fan of what Lost Gen is doing, and and I've

529
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:36.615
had a couple of really nice beers over at Lost Generation.

530
00:33:37.735 --> 00:33:41.434
Excellent. Alright. Michael, Ben, thank you so much. Everybody,

531
00:33:41.895 --> 00:33:45.575
henceforth coming soon, please watch our social media space, their

532
00:33:45.575 --> 00:33:48.934
social media space as well. Thank you so much for being on the show. Thank

533
00:33:48.934 --> 00:33:52.640
you, Ben. For having us, Jake. We appreciate it. Thank you so much,

534
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:56.400
Michael. Thank you so much, Ben, everybody. 1335 H

535
00:33:56.400 --> 00:34:00.160
Street Northeast, the place to be starting in about

536
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.380
a week or so. Silver Branch

537
00:34:04.080 --> 00:34:07.865
taking over the old true respite spot may beat them to

538
00:34:07.865 --> 00:34:10.525
the punch. They might be open

539
00:34:11.705 --> 00:34:14.844
a day or two before. And so, yes,

540
00:34:15.464 --> 00:34:19.065
we lost Hellbender. City State is no longer

541
00:34:19.065 --> 00:34:22.630
brewing. And so two

542
00:34:22.630 --> 00:34:26.469
new area breweries, one part of the Silver Branch

543
00:34:26.469 --> 00:34:30.070
empire, the other brand new on H Street, that puts us

544
00:34:30.070 --> 00:34:33.764
at a net balance. All is in all

545
00:34:33.764 --> 00:34:37.525
is in perfect balance. We'd like to see it. And we know

546
00:34:37.525 --> 00:34:40.885
that, our good friend, Meth Gunasingh, who

547
00:34:40.885 --> 00:34:44.425
was brewing at City State, is now brewing at other half.

548
00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:49.540
Should you notice a uptick in the quality of

549
00:34:49.540 --> 00:34:52.900
other half beers? No. I'm kidding. But there is there

550
00:34:52.900 --> 00:34:56.340
is an all fuggle everything. To the podcast. It's

551
00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:59.880
fine. Right. Right. Shout out to the extra special bidders.

552
00:35:00.625 --> 00:35:04.305
We're thrilled that meth has landed on his feet at the wonderful

553
00:35:04.305 --> 00:35:08.145
other half DC's biggest brewery. So we're super pumped about

554
00:35:08.145 --> 00:35:11.825
that. In addition to Silver Branch

555
00:35:11.825 --> 00:35:15.530
opening, maybe a day or two ahead of henceforth

556
00:35:15.590 --> 00:35:19.190
opening. We just love hearing good news because there's so much bad news out in

557
00:35:19.190 --> 00:35:22.330
the world right now. We are depending on this good news.

558
00:35:22.790 --> 00:35:26.630
What else are we excited about right

559
00:35:26.630 --> 00:35:29.690
now? Patio actually, like, patio beers.

560
00:35:30.335 --> 00:35:32.595
We had a glimpse of it as you guys mentioned,

561
00:35:35.055 --> 00:35:38.835
this even earlier this week, over this weekend, it got rainy. You know?

562
00:35:39.295 --> 00:35:42.974
April showers bring May flowers and all that jazz, but the

563
00:35:42.974 --> 00:35:46.690
weather was gorgeous last week. And although it's a little chilly, you

564
00:35:46.690 --> 00:35:50.450
guys you you were expecting it. Don't don't act don't I'm brand

565
00:35:50.450 --> 00:35:54.210
new. Don't act like you haven't been here. Like, they

566
00:35:54.210 --> 00:35:57.890
experienced this. But I think next week looked pretty good. So I am

567
00:35:57.890 --> 00:36:01.695
here for all of the patios. I think we need to do a DC beer,

568
00:36:01.695 --> 00:36:05.535
hashtag patio beer edition of a

569
00:36:05.535 --> 00:36:09.375
Scoops article. I'll come I'll bring my camera.

570
00:36:09.375 --> 00:36:13.215
That's what I'm good for, camera and drinking. So, count

571
00:36:13.215 --> 00:36:16.950
me in. I wanna hear what everyone's favorite because, you know, we go to

572
00:36:16.950 --> 00:36:20.550
the breweries. We we're brewery people, but I know there's

573
00:36:20.550 --> 00:36:24.390
other good beer around DC on tap and good

574
00:36:24.390 --> 00:36:28.150
cocktail. I don't really go out that much other than

575
00:36:28.150 --> 00:36:31.685
breweries, like I said. I wanna hear from our listeners where

576
00:36:31.685 --> 00:36:35.365
we where you think DC beer folks should go to

577
00:36:35.365 --> 00:36:38.885
enjoy some patio beers. Show

578
00:36:38.885 --> 00:36:42.250
us. Show me the love. And speaking of love, can

579
00:36:42.250 --> 00:36:45.930
I give all of the ounces of love that I

580
00:36:45.930 --> 00:36:49.770
have right now to our newest Patriot members? We have

581
00:36:49.770 --> 00:36:53.370
a bunch of new members this month. We shouted you out in the

582
00:36:53.370 --> 00:36:57.145
newsletter. Thank you so much. We super appreciate

583
00:36:57.145 --> 00:37:00.665
you. I a lot of you came to the last beer share. Thank you, Jordan,

584
00:37:00.665 --> 00:37:04.184
for setting that for us, at Astro at

585
00:37:04.184 --> 00:37:07.625
AstroLab. Third Hill. Sorry. It's

586
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:11.760
I'd I'm never gonna not say it. I'm so sorry. Matt's still there, so it's

587
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.299
kind of a little bit Astrolab y to me. So don't be too mad.

588
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.760
I mean, well, I promise. But, yes, I we had a

589
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.345
really, really great turnout, but we still need more

590
00:37:23.345 --> 00:37:26.785
women showing. So come on, ladies. Come

591
00:37:26.785 --> 00:37:30.625
on. Let's let's let's represent. What are you guys

592
00:37:30.625 --> 00:37:34.464
gonna what are you gonna be drinking in the next couple weeks without

593
00:37:34.464 --> 00:37:36.484
me? That's true.

594
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.920
Yep. Bless you. We

595
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:45.619
gotta give me some feel. The or is that the margarita

596
00:37:45.680 --> 00:37:49.200
giving me feels? I don't know. This weekend is

597
00:37:49.200 --> 00:37:52.845
Oslo's Anniversary, and I know I'll be looking at a Czech dark lager

598
00:37:53.484 --> 00:37:57.085
as well as at least one, if not two, West

599
00:37:57.085 --> 00:38:00.925
Coast pills. But overall, we are almost

600
00:38:00.925 --> 00:38:04.605
into, as Rick Ross would say, season.

601
00:38:04.605 --> 00:38:07.425
Not music, but the beer.

602
00:38:08.710 --> 00:38:12.470
It's like a Hellas, but you can only drink two of them as opposed to

603
00:38:12.470 --> 00:38:16.170
drinking three Hellas. Big fan of that.

604
00:38:16.950 --> 00:38:20.310
Maybach music. Alright, folks. We are at

605
00:38:20.310 --> 00:38:24.105
DCbeer.com at DC beer in the socials, and every day, we're

606
00:38:24.105 --> 00:38:27.945
hustling. Oh, every day. DC beer.

607
00:38:27.945 --> 00:38:31.785
All I do is win. Alright, folks. At us about patios. Brandy

608
00:38:31.785 --> 00:38:35.225
and I wanna go on a DC world tour. Beer drinking

609
00:38:35.225 --> 00:38:39.033
patios. It can't just be dew drop. You know? You gotta give me something else.

610
00:38:39.433 --> 00:38:41.373
Mwah. You on the patio.