Into the Supernatural With Jen Lilley & Billy Hallowell

"I was very involved in the occult, channeling spirits, casting spells, playing with Ouija board six to eight hours a day — all of those things."

That's how military veteran and artist Timothy Gagnon described his early years, explaining how he descended into evil practices while he was a young man. When he hit the sixth grade, Gagnon recalled an oral report assignment he was given. Unsure of what to do, he went to the school library and stumbled upon books on the occult.

That introduction to the topic led him into spell casting, playing with Ouija boards, and channeling spirits, among other similar activities — things he did "all day long" and "all night long" alongside two of his friends who also descended into the same practices.

Gagnon said these spells weren't empty practices — that something happened when he would engage with the occult. He said he and his friends interacted with three entities that claimed to be an angel, a demon, and a "lost spirit in purgatory." 

In the end, it was a true encounter with the demonic. And then God stepped in.

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What is Into the Supernatural With Jen Lilley & Billy Hallowell?

Do miracles still happen today? What’s really going on in the spiritual battle around us? What does the Bible say about the supernatural—and why does it matter?

If you’ve ever wrestled with these questions, Into the Supernatural is the podcast you’ve been waiting for. Hosted by actress Jen Lilley and TV host and journalist Billy Hallowell, this captivating show pulls back the veil on the unseen world, exploring the powerful and oft-times misunderstood supernatural elements of the Christian faith.

From miracles and healings to deliverance and near-death experiences, Jen and Billy dive deep into firsthand testimonies, biblical truth, and the mysteries of the spiritual realm. With thought-provoking discussions and expert guests, they explore how God still moves today—and what it means for your faith.

The supernatural isn’t just something from the past—it’s happening right now. Whether you’re a skeptic, a seeker, or a believer hungry for more, this show will challenge, inspire, and equip you to understand the reality of spiritual warfare, the power of prayer, and the undeniable evidence of God’s presence in our world.

Are you ready to go beyond the natural and step Into the Supernatural?