00;00;00;07 - 00;00;32;23 Mark This is not a good time. She'll die without radar. You say your guy, right? Well, she's fine. She's a little sick. No side, sir. It's not the best time. You can't stop here. 00;00;32;26 - 00;00;33;14 Sarah Hey, maniac. 00;00;33;17 - 00;00;37;24 Mark Hey, Major. 00;00;37;26 - 00;00;41;23 Sarah Getting out of hand. You almost had Doppler on that. 00;00;41;26 - 00;00;57;03 Mark Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Each week, we dig into an episode of the show, including the murders, the mayhem, the loonies, and everything else We love this week. Murdoch Mysteries. Let us ask the Maiden. 00;00;57;08 - 00;00;59;18 Sarah Season two Episode 11 I'm Sarah. 00;00;59;20 - 00;01;02;28 Mark And I'm Mark the Spoiler podcast. 00;01;03;05 - 00;01;05;19 Sarah We're going to ruin it until you did. 00;01;05;26 - 00;01;11;03 Mark If you let your kids put on arsenic, make up their own enough to listen to the podcast, if. 00;01;11;03 - 00;01;12;09 Sarah They survive. 00;01;12;10 - 00;01;13;07 Mark I guess. 00;01;13;07 - 00;01;14;28 Sarah There arsenic all make up. 00;01;15;06 - 00;01;16;22 Mark Arsenic. Well. 00;01;16;24 - 00;01;19;02 Sarah Before we dive in. 00;01;19;04 - 00;01;22;07 Mark That's as clumsy a word as coreligionists. 00;01;22;07 - 00;01;23;24 Sarah Think that's a real word? 00;01;23;25 - 00;01;24;28 Mark It is a real word. 00;01;24;28 - 00;01;25;21 Sarah Arsenic. 00;01;25;24 - 00;01;26;20 Mark Arsenic. Go. 00;01;26;21 - 00;01;27;13 Sarah Yeah. 00;01;27;15 - 00;01;29;22 Mark Don't put your pickle in the arsenic. 00;01;29;24 - 00;01;34;16 Sarah Okay? That's not safe for kids. 00;01;34;18 - 00;01;38;12 Mark Not safe for anybody. 00;01;38;14 - 00;01;39;22 Sarah You got a real it back there. 00;01;39;22 - 00;01;43;07 Mark Some arsenic bread is even more. 00;01;43;10 - 00;01;45;24 Sarah Different than pumpernickel. 00;01;45;26 - 00;01;50;06 Mark Pumpernickel. And then we put the butter on it, and then. 00;01;50;08 - 00;01;51;08 Sarah A little bit of arsenic all. 00;01;51;09 - 00;01;55;23 Mark In Nice. A nice piece of. 00;01;55;26 - 00;01;57;21 Sarah I'm worried about what you're going to say next. 00;01;57;22 - 00;02;04;11 Mark Roast beef and then some, I don't know, some vegetables. And then on the top bread you put the arsenic of. 00;02;04;14 - 00;02;05;27 Sarah Mm. 00;02;06;00 - 00;02;09;18 Mark It's better than being kicked in the arsenic I guess. 00;02;09;20 - 00;02;12;18 Sarah Okay. Now that you got that out of your system. 00;02;12;25 - 00;02;15;29 Mark Speaking of nice things that people have said about. 00;02;16;01 - 00;02;17;01 Mark Mouth, that's what. 00;02;17;01 - 00;02;21;00 Sarah We were talking about. 00;02;21;02 - 00;02;22;14 Mark Oh, we're punchy already. 00;02;22;18 - 00;02;27;01 Sarah Birdie we're talking about birdie on on the read it. 00;02;27;06 - 00;02;28;14 Mark Ginger birdie. 00;02;28;17 - 00;02;29;05 Sarah So. 00;02;29;07 - 00;02;35;18 Mark We're not going to get into this other than to say somebody said something extremely nice about. 00;02;35;18 - 00;02;35;23 Sarah It. 00;02;35;23 - 00;03;01;19 Mark Yes this is what they said Mark and Sarah are the drift iest of badgers the lowest of midsummer's the littlest of worthies. They are the Tom two our Jones and the john to our winter. We promise relish for them and wash it down with a glass of poisoned wine from the vinegar. Why they've even go so far to say as we give up our unacknowledged child fathered by the Lord of the manor for them. 00;03;01;23 - 00;03;04;15 Sarah That's the nicest thing anybody's ever said. 00;03;04;15 - 00;03;07;24 Mark What a spectacularly nice thing to say. 00;03;07;27 - 00;03;14;18 Sarah Thank you, Birdie is so nice and truly a maniac. Compliments. Yes. 00;03;14;22 - 00;03;15;19 Mark Fantastic. 00;03;15;21 - 00;03;16;16 Sarah Right on. 00;03;16;23 - 00;03;23;21 Mark If there were imaginary fake coins on Reddit any more because there's not any more, I would give them all to you. 00;03;23;22 - 00;03;29;19 Sarah That's saying something. Because before they disappeared, we had a lot. Yes. Are you ready to talk about? Let us ask the maiden. 00;03;29;19 - 00;03;58;02 Mark Let us ask the Maiden Original Air Date, April 14, 20 1929. Sorry. Directed by Harvey Crosland, written by Jason Sherman. By the way, I realized I got to be careful when I'm in Canada because where I'm going next, I think I think it's the week after next. The new season of Murdoch starts in Canada now. Now, if you watch Murdoch and ACORN, season 16 is done. 00;03;58;04 - 00;04;01;26 Mark So we're all up to date, but Canada gets new episodes. 00;04;02;01 - 00;04;04;08 Sarah Oh, you can't be watching TV when you. 00;04;04;12 - 00;04;09;06 Mark Can't be watching TV and see like this week on Murdoch. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00;04;09;06 - 00;04;12;12 Sarah You see a trailer and you're like, Oh, I ruined everything. Yeah. 00;04;12;14 - 00;04;19;26 Mark Speaking of ruining everything, September 22nd yesterday, because we're recording on the 23rd was Johnnie Harris's birthday. 00;04;19;26 - 00;04;22;25 Sarah Oh, happy birthday, Crabtree. 00;04;23;02 - 00;04;26;01 Mark What do you think we should give Johnnie Harris for his birthday? 00;04;26;03 - 00;04;31;14 Sarah I don't know, but he's incredibly brave in this episode. So a golden Billy club? 00;04;31;19 - 00;04;31;29 Mark Yeah. 00;04;31;29 - 00;04;36;27 Mark He get back here, you big bastards. 00;04;37;00 - 00;04;41;01 Sarah He goes after that Jersey guy who's ginormous. 00;04;41;01 - 00;04;43;27 Mark Yeah, And. And Total. He calls him a bastard. 00;04;43;27 - 00;04;48;18 Sarah Yeah, that's what I'm giving him. Cause he's deserved that. 00;04;48;24 - 00;04;51;01 Mark So guess how old Mr. Harris is. 00;04;51;01 - 00;04;51;17 Sarah 40. 00;04;51;19 - 00;04;53;04 Mark 47 yesterday. 00;04;53;05 - 00;04;54;06 Sarah Really? Yeah. 00;04;54;10 - 00;04;56;00 Mark Looks great for 47 months. 00;04;56;02 - 00;04;56;26 Sarah As old as I am. 00;04;56;26 - 00;04;58;16 Mark He looks great for 47. 00;04;58;16 - 00;04;59;08 Sarah Yeah, he does. 00;04;59;09 - 00;05;00;22 Mark Absolutely spectacular. 00;05;00;24 - 00;05;01;23 Sarah He's awesome. You ready? 00;05;02;00 - 00;05;04;11 Mark But he was just a wee lad in this episode. 00;05;04;11 - 00;05;07;05 Sarah Yes. Are you ready to get the record? 00;05;07;06 - 00;05;07;20 Mark That guy. 00;05;07;20 - 00;05;10;01 Sarah Best I can go after him. 00;05;10;02 - 00;05;20;00 Mark Okay, so this as an overview, is an episode about Jewish culture. And there are things in Jewish culture that are different than than the main character's culture. 00;05;20;07 - 00;05;29;05 Sarah To be fair, it's really about one greedy rat bastard who just happens to be Jewish. It really has nothing to do with it. It's it is secular. 00;05;29;08 - 00;05;30;04 Mark For the episode. 00;05;30;04 - 00;05;34;08 Sarah Yes, it is set amongst Jewish immigrants in Toronto. 00;05;34;08 - 00;05;38;13 Mark And I would have to say done not in a heavy handed, but a. 00;05;38;14 - 00;05;39;26 Sarah Respectful, respectful. 00;05;40;00 - 00;05;40;28 Mark Way. Absolutely. 00;05;40;29 - 00;05;49;14 Sarah I think that Julia and the rabbi are probably just going to hang out now. I think they're probably just friends. I mean, once you've cut somebody up together, you've got a bond. 00;05;49;14 - 00;05;58;11 Mark I do like how they start as somewhat adversarial and then realize that they're both really caring for the dead. 00;05;58;14 - 00;06;02;05 Sarah So. Absolutely. So Nathan Siebold quickly collapses. 00;06;02;10 - 00;06;03;02 Mark Yep. 00;06;03;04 - 00;06;06;00 Sarah During prayer after being a bit sweaty. 00;06;06;02 - 00;06;08;10 Mark Yes, very sweaty. 00;06;08;10 - 00;06;13;17 Sarah He's very sweaty and spits up some blood and then he's dead. 00;06;13;20 - 00;06;21;01 Mark I really wish. It's unfortunate, but the idea is that he's reading a text that is heretical. 00;06;21;04 - 00;06;22;00 Sarah The Zohar. 00;06;22;01 - 00;06;25;25 Mark The Zohar, which is unfortunate because I love all that stuff. 00;06;25;26 - 00;06;30;03 Sarah It's interesting, but it is a total red herring in this episode. It's not important. 00;06;30;10 - 00;06;38;17 Mark And there are tons of Jewish scholars and scholarship around all the weird and interesting things about Hebrew manuscripts. 00;06;38;18 - 00;06;41;24 Sarah MM The history of Hebrew manuscripts is really interesting. 00;06;41;24 - 00;06;56;07 Mark It's absolutely fascinating without it being like the weird numerology or anything. Like we know all that, that the story of the, the birth of those books being brought then into Christianity is super interesting. 00;06;56;07 - 00;07;06;04 Sarah For example, during when these men are praying, you notice the little headbands that they're wearing and the palm wraps that they're wearing. You know what those are? 00;07;06;04 - 00;07;09;24 Mark Those have those are little boxes that have Torah readings. 00;07;09;24 - 00;07;26;06 Sarah And tiny scrolls and yeah, yeah, they're called tefillin. Yeah. And they're bigger by and large. Well, that's kind of a pun. On average they're larger now than they used to be because the practice of this, they call it micro calligraphy. 00;07;26;08 - 00;07;26;23 Mark Oh, that's. 00;07;26;23 - 00;07;47;11 Sarah Super. That was necessary to copy these long passages onto tiny scrolls that that would then be put into those boxes because there's, I want to say three in each of the boxes. Wow. And it's a long passage, but that practice of micro calligraphy is kind of going away. So the boxes had to be made slightly larger till the new the scrolls. 00;07;47;15 - 00;07;48;22 Mark Oh, that's interesting. 00;07;48;22 - 00;07;56;06 Sarah I saw on the British Jewish Museum website, they have kind of an evolution of tefillin and their sizes. 00;07;56;06 - 00;07;57;28 Mark So that's super interesting. 00;07;58;02 - 00;07;59;08 Sarah Micro calligraphy. 00;07;59;09 - 00;08;00;12 Mark Micro calligraphy. 00;08;00;13 - 00;08;01;29 Sarah There's a hobby for you. 00;08;02;00 - 00;08;02;20 Mark Yeah. 00;08;02;22 - 00;08;07;21 Sarah Not now. You have the patience to do that. No. Me neither. No. You know what else is dead? 00;08;07;23 - 00;08;09;08 Mark The place. The place. 00;08;09;11 - 00;08;12;17 Mark Called it. 00;08;12;20 - 00;08;16;29 Sarah In is a symbol of the relationship that is died. 00;08;17;04 - 00;08;26;13 Mark Dear Sarah, Click, click, click, click. I'm going to read out what I'm writing as I'm writing it. That. That. That's bad writing. 00;08;26;16 - 00;08;30;27 Sarah Well, better than to make us read what's being typed because that's really annoying. 00;08;30;27 - 00;08;37;25 Mark No, but the easy middle ground is to do a voice over. Yeah, but they don't do any voice overs in the rest of the show. 00;08;37;26 - 00;08;42;23 Sarah No, that Murdoch does not know how to write a letter. Yeah. 00;08;42;25 - 00;08;44;03 Mark Wow. What a letter. 00;08;44;03 - 00;08;51;07 Sarah He knows how to write a legal document or a treatise or something, but not an informal, heartfelt letter. 00;08;51;12 - 00;09;06;19 Mark It's. It's like when you read. Sometimes because of our jobs, we interact with extreme academics through email. Yeah, they write email differently than normal people write. 00;09;06;21 - 00;09;16;29 Sarah Can you include any words that have fewer than five syllables in your email? I have to look up these words to find out. Oh, you're having trouble with the pedagogy. 00;09;16;29 - 00;09;18;11 Mark Okay. Okay. Okay. 00;09;18;13 - 00;09;21;20 Sarah Okay. You can't figure out that quiz. Okay. Got it. 00;09;21;20 - 00;09;29;12 Mark By the way, Oliver, to the typewriter he's using there about two grand for a completely refurbished one, Right? 00;09;29;14 - 00;09;31;16 Sarah It's beautiful. It's really pretty. 00;09;31;16 - 00;09;34;00 Mark Hand-painted. Gorgeous. It's got the wings. 00;09;34;03 - 00;09;48;17 Sarah Tom shows up and he's like, I'm an expert in love letters. And Murdoch says, Well, I'm writing an apology. And he's like, Anyway, we know he's not real good at it. Pilots. It's just guitars and flowers. 00;09;48;18 - 00;09;53;14 Mark Did you notice what was behind Murdoch? No. Is it just a statue that's. 00;09;53;16 - 00;09;57;07 Sarah On the windowsill? Yeah. Yeah. What's on the other end of the windowsill? 00;09;57;09 - 00;10;00;29 Mark I don't know. Maybe a little sign that says Don't. You should go and do it. 00;10;00;29 - 00;10;09;07 Sarah But no, it's. It's a a box that has a meter and some knobs. All of it. I don't know exactly why there's some. 00;10;09;07 - 00;10;10;24 Mark Murdoch murder thing. 00;10;10;24 - 00;10;13;20 Sarah Yeah, it's probably something he invented in a different episode. 00;10;13;20 - 00;10;15;08 Mark There's been a murder in the ward. 00;10;15;14 - 00;10;16;01 Sarah Yeah. 00;10;16;04 - 00;10;28;04 Mark So the ward is an actual reason area in Toronto. It's not called the ward anymore. Mm hmm. It is between Dundas and Queen Street, between young and university. 00;10;28;06 - 00;10;31;19 Sarah And historically, is a place where Jewish immigrants settled. 00;10;31;20 - 00;10;32;20 Mark Absolutely. 00;10;32;20 - 00;10;34;15 Sarah Was it called the ward before that? 00;10;34;15 - 00;10;36;11 Mark No, it was called the ward then. 00;10;36;12 - 00;10;37;24 Sarah Okay. 00;10;37;26 - 00;10;51;00 Mark And then where it is now is the west side of the Eaton Center, which is a giant mall in downtown Toronto, Nathan Phillips Square, where the skating rink is, and the new town hall. Oh. 00;10;51;02 - 00;10;55;16 Sarah When I hear the word ward, I think hospital. So I know I don't know where that would come from. 00;10;55;17 - 00;10;58;10 Mark The hospital is north of there. The original hospital. 00;10;58;11 - 00;11;02;04 Sarah No, I just mean Ward to me refers to part of a hospital. 00;11;02;10 - 00;11;38;03 Mark So what happened was the Jewish immigrants settled in the ward, and then when it became too crowded, they moved west to an area of Spadina and Dundas. And then the Chinese immigrants moved into the ward. So there's a lot of stuff in the ward about Chinese immigrants as well. And then what happened was the Jewish immigrants then moved northwest from there, and the Chinese immigrants moved from the ward to Dundas, where the second largest Chinatown in the world is. 00;11;38;03 - 00;11;54;25 Sarah Now. I'm guessing that the ward was a low income area, so immigrants would move there because they could afford it. And then as they get better integrated and become more successful, they can afford to move away from there. Yeah. And then the next group of immigrants who needs a low income place. 00;11;54;25 - 00;11;55;19 Mark Totally. 00;11;55;19 - 00;12;02;24 Sarah That totally works like a pit stop. Yeah. Yeah. So the rabbi says that the book killed Nathan. 00;12;02;26 - 00;12;03;29 Mark Yes. And I'm like. 00;12;03;29 - 00;12;04;21 Sarah That it made him and. 00;12;04;21 - 00;12;07;22 Mark Say, this is good. This is good stuff. 00;12;07;22 - 00;12;19;19 Sarah Like, is this in a cult book? Oh, poor secret, powerful book. No, it doesn't really matter. It's just a commentary on the Torah, and we don't get to know anything anyway. Yeah, Unless maybe he licked it. 00;12;19;19 - 00;12;20;02 Mark Maybe. 00;12;20;03 - 00;12;22;26 Sarah Maybe we find out later. Maybe if he looked, it might hurt him. 00;12;22;26 - 00;12;23;12 Mark And maybe. 00;12;23;13 - 00;12;51;29 Sarah But probably didn't. So when Julia comes to take the body, Nathan's body, to the morgue, they want to stop her from taking him. Because the Jewish tradition is that when somebody dies, they should be buried as quickly as possible and their body should be intact. Yeah, right. So you you stay up. You sit shiva with the body. They keep it company because the understanding is that you need to protect it from evil spirits invading the body and and then but it's all a sign of respect. 00;12;52;02 - 00;13;10;03 Sarah And so for her to come and take the body is like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. That goes against our tradition. But as soon as the rabbi understood that she knows the rules, he's like, Huh, okay, let's see how you do. And I like that a lot. I like that she knows the rules and I like that he understands. 00;13;10;03 - 00;13;14;22 Sarah He acknowledges right away that she knows the rules. So. And she's. 00;13;14;22 - 00;13;18;23 Mark All right. Murdock knows some of the rules, too. Absolutely. 00;13;18;26 - 00;13;22;09 Sarah Though I don't understand why they don't cover his body when they carry him out of the building. 00;13;22;10 - 00;13;23;25 Mark No, they should probably do. 00;13;23;25 - 00;13;32;29 Sarah So that Devra can just dive from a carriage and freak out. Yes. Why is Goldberg taking her around in a carriage anyway? She's so sick. 00;13;33;05 - 00;13;44;13 Mark The whole Goldberg Debra thing bothers me. I realize that it's far more likely that there are many more relationships like this at this time, but it still bothers me. 00;13;44;15 - 00;13;57;00 Sarah So the woman who jumps out of the carriage and freaks out over the uncovered body is Devorah Benjamin. Yes. Who may or may not be engaged to Nathan and may or may not be engaged to Goldberg. The doctor taking care of her. 00;13;57;07 - 00;13;57;25 Mark Yes. 00;13;57;25 - 00;14;01;02 Sarah Who may or may not be a jerk. Yes. This point, we don't know. 00;14;01;02 - 00;14;02;13 Mark We just don't know. 00;14;02;15 - 00;14;10;07 Sarah Though every time I hear Goldberg, I just think of Goldberg, you know, the former wrestler Goldberg Yes. He was a very different guy. 00;14;10;08 - 00;14;11;27 Mark Yes, he's very different. 00;14;11;29 - 00;14;14;27 Sarah He's he's more like Jersey guy in the factory. 00;14;14;27 - 00;14;16;19 Mark He's more like, yes, yes. 00;14;16;27 - 00;14;20;14 Sarah And very bald and big and tanned and all that musclebound stuff. 00;14;20;21 - 00;14;21;24 Mark You know what time it is? 00;14;21;24 - 00;14;23;08 Sarah Oh, it's time for a no. 00;14;23;08 - 00;14;27;18 Mark No, no. The 14 and shows up. It's bracket reads races minute. 00;14;27;20 - 00;14;33;11 Sarah Well, what do you expect from Barack and Reid? He's actually not as bad as I thought he was going to be. 00;14;33;11 - 00;14;40;23 Mark He's not as bad as we thought, but he had to get fresh off the boat. Old guard from England. All that stuff in there. 00;14;40;23 - 00;14;48;07 Sarah Yeah. There's two kinds of Jews. Be careful you don't get a mixed up. Murdock's like, What are you even talking about? Don't worry about. 00;14;48;07 - 00;14;51;22 Mark It. My next note is stupidity. It is stupid. 00;14;51;25 - 00;14;54;13 Mark Well, yeah. 00;14;54;16 - 00;15;08;10 Sarah Well, so Murdoch has sent her flowers. He actually took Tom's advice. Yes. So she shows up so they can go out for tea. Why her? I thought at the end of the last episode, Murdoch had realized Enid was not for him. 00;15;08;10 - 00;15;09;02 Mark Yeah. 00;15;09;05 - 00;15;19;04 Sarah Is he apologizing to her? Because he. He does want to rekindle their relationship, or does he just genuinely feel bad that he hurt anybody's feelings and wants to fix it? 00;15;19;11 - 00;15;52;23 Mark I think this I think Murdoch loves you. I think he's frustrated because Julia said that her opinion of him has changed. Okay. So then he went to Rebound Town and then now he feels that he took advantage of Enid. But I also think there's a little misogyny here in Murdoch where he is like, This person doesn't like me, so I'm going to do everything I can to make this person like me again, regardless if I like her or not. 00;15;52;25 - 00;16;02;25 Sarah Is that in misogyny thing? Is it because she's a woman you think you feel that way? I think if he had offended another man that he genuinely thought was an okay person would mean feel is bad. 00;16;02;27 - 00;16;03;29 Mark I think it's. 00;16;04;01 - 00;16;06;20 Sarah I mean, you wouldn't send him flowers obviously that would be I think. 00;16;06;20 - 00;16;11;04 Mark It's like it's not toxic or anything like that, but it's that subtle. 00;16;11;05 - 00;16;26;17 Sarah So you you agree with me that he's genuinely, deep down more concerned with having offended her and wants her to forgive him and like him as a person rather than trying to win her back in some romantic. Yes. Yes. He's more motivated by having offended her. 00;16;26;24 - 00;16;33;11 Mark I worry about you present stupid. I'm glad she brought jewelry. 00;16;33;11 - 00;16;42;07 Sarah Yeah. So he buys her flowers. Does she then rush out and buy a St Michael Mantle, or did she already have it to give to him and just hadn't given it to him yet? 00;16;42;09 - 00;16;50;26 Mark I have them. I know. I should apologize for something. No. Yes, he should apologize for using her as bait. 00;16;50;29 - 00;16;52;28 Sarah Yeah, and he did already. 00;16;53;00 - 00;16;56;12 Mark And he said I was sorry. They have no reason to be having tea. 00;16;56;13 - 00;16;59;19 Sarah No, Except his ego is hurt because she hates them. 00;16;59;19 - 00;17;01;25 Mark That's why I think it's because. 00;17;01;26 - 00;17;02;16 Sarah No, she doesn't. 00;17;02;16 - 00;17;05;14 Mark Obviously that little misogyny to it. 00;17;05;16 - 00;17;13;26 Sarah Oh, I just think I thought she was gone by now. Why is she back? I don't know. 00;17;13;28 - 00;17;16;23 Mark George makes a dollar 20 a day. 00;17;16;25 - 00;17;18;04 Mark It's not bad. 00;17;18;07 - 00;17;21;08 Sarah They go to see Devorah and Goldberg answers the door. 00;17;21;10 - 00;17;25;01 Mark This is not a good time. 00;17;25;03 - 00;17;30;06 Mark She'll die with the elevator. You say you're calling me, but she's fine. 00;17;30;08 - 00;17;32;29 Sarah She's a little sick. Move aside, sir. 00;17;32;29 - 00;17;33;27 Mark It's not the best. 00;17;33;27 - 00;17;41;00 Mark Time. You can't stop. Oh, yeah. 00;17;41;03 - 00;17;50;29 Sarah She's just sick. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Like Murdoch and Crabtree are just going to stand outside and go. Oh, okay. Well, then we'll come back at some other time. 00;17;51;00 - 00;17;56;02 Mark Like the direction they gave the actress who plays Never Exorcist. 00;17;56;04 - 00;18;04;18 Sarah Okay, we're going to spritz you with some water, So you look good and sweaty. All right, Now flop around like a fish. Yeah. Scream. Yeah. Same as serious things. That could mean something. 00;18;04;22 - 00;18;17;10 Mark Don't love. She'll die without it. Oh, I like baking. Oh, you put my face cream on. I need more face cream. 00;18;17;13 - 00;18;19;09 Sarah Keep it right next to my bed. 00;18;19;11 - 00;18;23;16 Mark Mark. And I'm going to bed. 00;18;23;19 - 00;18;28;14 Sarah Yeah. I'm between cholera and genuine anger. 00;18;28;16 - 00;18;31;16 Mark I don't have cholera. I Yeah. 00;18;31;19 - 00;18;36;00 Sarah Speaking of which, they say that maybe she's possessed by a dip. 00;18;36;03 - 00;18;36;28 Mark A debit card. 00;18;36;28 - 00;18;38;08 Sarah You heard of it before? 00;18;38;14 - 00;18;42;23 Mark I had heard of it before because there's a movie called Debit. 00;18;42;25 - 00;19;07;22 Sarah So a debit is the name for a demon or a lost spirit in Jewish mythology. And it means attached like. So the early idea was that a saw that didn't move on would attach itself to somebody and you'd have to kind of shake it off. Yeah, right. Yeah. That's the kind of sterilized, friendly version of what I did. 00;19;07;24 - 00;19;10;09 Mark As westernized version of it, for sure. 00;19;10;12 - 00;19;23;08 Sarah No, not necessarily. But there's a more specific way that oh, in mythology anyway and in old text that a debit or a attaches instead just okay. 00;19;23;09 - 00;19;25;11 Mark Now how does that happen? 00;19;25;14 - 00;19;27;26 Sarah I'm just going to read a little passage here. Okay? 00;19;27;29 - 00;19;30;08 Mark Okay. Welcome to Berkeley. 00;19;30;10 - 00;19;39;20 Sarah And I'm going to tell you that I got this from the British Jewish Historical Museum website. Okay? This is not from some Christian Tumblr or something. 00;19;39;21 - 00;19;41;02 Mark This is Jewish. 00;19;41;02 - 00;19;56;10 Sarah Folklore traditionally depicted tended to be male spirits who possessed a woman on the eve of their wedding, typically in a sexual fashion, by entering the woman through their vaginas. And in psychological literature of the time, the depict was seen as a hysterical syndrome. 00;19;56;16 - 00;19;57;19 Mark Wow. Like kind of. 00;19;57;19 - 00;19;59;01 Sarah Glossed over the vagina. 00;19;59;04 - 00;20;01;15 Mark There's a million things all wrapped up. 00;20;01;19 - 00;20;26;25 Sarah I know, I know. Like, wow. But it makes them saying that maybe she's possessed by a make more sense since she's about to get married and she seems hysterical. Yeah, right. But then the depict as you know it and as a lot of people know, it is more like a demon. Yes, right. Because that kind of the westernized, modernized sort of urban legend, Internet legend version of it. 00;20;26;26 - 00;20;29;07 Sarah Yeah. Because of that stupid debate box. 00;20;29;08 - 00;20;32;20 Mark Yes. So in 2008 was a 2008? 00;20;32;21 - 00;20;57;23 Sarah No. 23. Okay. A furniture restorer named Kevin Manis buys a wine cabinet at a garage sale. Yeah, literally at a garage sale. And think I'm going to do some restoration on this and fix it up and I'm going to put it on eBay and call it a box and write this whole story about how it's possessed and it holds the souls of these Holocaust victims. 00;20;57;23 - 00;21;05;27 Sarah And I'm going to put a stone in there and some hair. I cut off my dog and it's like interactive fiction. Yeah. Okay. 00;21;06;00 - 00;21;06;27 Mark To make money. 00;21;07;00 - 00;21;12;13 Sarah To make money. Yep. He never claimed it was real. Just didn't say that it wasn't right. 00;21;12;18 - 00;21;13;00 Mark Yep. 00;21;13;04 - 00;21;30;17 Sarah Somebody buys it for 280 bucks. It passes through a bunch of people's hands and ends up in the hands of this guy named Jason Haxton, who owns an osteopathy museum, The Hulk. And he's like, This thing's actually evil. It does all kinds of bad things. 00;21;30;21 - 00;21;31;10 Mark No, it doesn't. 00;21;31;15 - 00;21;45;00 Sarah No, it doesn't. But he then sells the story right to a production company. And Sam Raimi makes a movie called The Possession about it. Yes. This this is what's interesting to me. Kevin Maness sold it for 280 bucks. 00;21;45;00 - 00;21;45;11 Mark Yeah. 00;21;45;18 - 00;21;56;04 Sarah Now he bought the cabinet at the garage sale for $10, so he made a good profit. He did, But Jason Axton made a much bigger profit off of his 280 bucks when he sold the rights. 00;21;56;04 - 00;21;57;23 Mark How much to sell the rights for? 00;21;57;24 - 00;22;05;08 Sarah Undisclosed amount and six figures for something somebody else made up that you bought on eBay. That's not even. 00;22;05;08 - 00;22;09;12 Mark True. I need to be selling Zander's textbooks on eBay. Same. 00;22;09;14 - 00;22;14;15 Sarah That's full of angst about how hard finite math is. 00;22;14;17 - 00;22;16;03 Mark I couldn't believe. 00;22;16;05 - 00;22;36;15 Sarah And here's the other thing is that Jason Axton, who who bought it and then sold the rights, that guy, the second guy, he well, he's not even the second guy to own it. The final guy to own. Yeah. Also wrote a book. Yeah. Called The Possession the right now on Amazon it's $499 and it's a paperback. I don't. 00;22;36;15 - 00;22;40;08 Mark Get it. It is boondoggle from the highest level. 00;22;40;08 - 00;22;44;27 Sarah Well, now that guy who does the ghost shows under Zac Baggins. 00;22;45;02 - 00;22;45;21 Mark Okay. 00;22;45;24 - 00;22;51;22 Sarah He's he's he sounds like a Lord of the Rings character, but he's not. That's why I always have trouble with his name. 00;22;51;24 - 00;22;58;08 Mark Why is there a YouTube video entitled Post? Malone was caused by a haunted Bigg Boss? 00;22;58;08 - 00;23;06;18 Sarah Yes, because he went to Zack Baggins Museum of Fake Haunted crap and touched it and then claimed bad stuff happened afterwards. 00;23;06;21 - 00;23;10;19 Mark Why do we talk about Post Malone? 00;23;10;21 - 00;23;17;18 Sarah Because Devon's possessed by a debate otherwise known as poisonous face cream and bad boyfriend. 00;23;17;19 - 00;23;29;00 Mark This is. This is the problem I have with this episode. The problem I have with this episode is they have a mystical book with mystical stuff. They have a big possession and. 00;23;29;00 - 00;23;30;00 Sarah None of it is. 00;23;30;00 - 00;23;31;12 Mark They have all this great. 00;23;31;12 - 00;23;32;14 Sarah Stuff that they. 00;23;32;14 - 00;23;32;23 Mark Could. 00;23;32;23 - 00;23;34;02 Sarah Use and then they just drop. 00;23;34;02 - 00;23;36;22 Mark It and then they throw trade unionists. 00;23;36;24 - 00;23;39;21 Sarah Because Mark, the real evil in the world is greed. 00;23;39;28 - 00;23;41;17 Mark Oh, okay. Disaster. 00;23;41;21 - 00;23;42;14 Sarah We'll debate. 00;23;42;16 - 00;23;47;15 Mark I thought it was arsenic steam shirts by greed. Yes. 00;23;47;22 - 00;23;50;09 Sarah It's really down to a bad dad. 00;23;50;16 - 00;23;51;12 Mark It's a bad dad. 00;23;51;15 - 00;24;03;27 Sarah Bad dads ruin everything. Why in the morgue, when Julia and the rabbi are being such good friends, does she feel the need to pick up a bunch of energy and play peekaboo with them? 00;24;03;29 - 00;24;08;01 Mark I don't know. But it's not. It's not. The more good of. 00;24;08;08 - 00;24;08;26 Sarah Roman. 00;24;08;28 - 00;24;10;07 Mark Romance anymore. 00;24;10;08 - 00;24;12;01 Sarah She does, though, doesn't she? 00;24;12;05 - 00;24;13;27 Mark Speaks through his inner I. 00;24;13;27 - 00;24;14;23 Mark Don't know what. 00;24;14;23 - 00;24;18;20 Sarah Organ that is supposed to be, but she picks it up and like, looks through it like. 00;24;18;20 - 00;24;19;16 Mark Giggle. 00;24;19;18 - 00;24;25;17 Sarah And she's like, I know what killed him. It was arsenic. The mystical game of peekaboo reveals the answer to her. 00;24;25;18 - 00;24;27;00 Mark Yep. 00;24;27;02 - 00;24;39;29 Sarah Put the guts down, Julia. After you've had this long conversation about the tradition of making sure that the body is complete and that even every drop of blood is returned, would you be playing peekaboo with this guy? 00;24;39;29 - 00;24;41;12 Mark No. 00;24;41;15 - 00;24;45;08 Mark Certainly not smelling his stomach. Not So. 00;24;45;11 - 00;24;45;29 Mark Why do you have. 00;24;45;29 - 00;24;52;01 Sarah To keep bringing that up every time you say that? Everybody listening throws up just a little bit in their mouth. 00;24;52;03 - 00;25;10;14 Mark Thank you. Okay. Mr. Benjamin is dusting video Typical boss and bad dad. She's hysterical. She's impressionable. She shouldn't be accepting gifts. That kid's not good enough for her. I'm going to lock my people up. 00;25;10;16 - 00;25;22;15 Sarah Hey, if you're bad in one area, you know you're not going to be a horrible dad and a really generous boss. You just. You just bad in every way. And bagel means bad in every way. Yeah. He's a big jerk in a cult that doesn't fit him very well. 00;25;22;18 - 00;25;25;10 Mark Yeah, he's a bad certainly a bad. 00;25;25;10 - 00;25;30;08 Sarah He never mind. Meantime, Deborah's dreaming of Nathan waking up in the morgue. 00;25;30;10 - 00;25;31;25 Mark Yeah, Yeah. Okay. 00;25;31;26 - 00;25;36;29 Sarah Oh, go back to sleep, sweetheart. Here's. Here's some more sleeping drugs. Let me just inject you. 00;25;36;29 - 00;25;39;12 Mark It's a weird, weird thing. 00;25;39;19 - 00;25;42;24 Sarah Okay, but here's what it made me think of. Because I'm a horrible person. 00;25;42;24 - 00;25;43;16 Mark We're horrible. 00;25;43;16 - 00;25;50;25 Sarah People. We've just had this discussion about how important it is to keep the body complete for Jewish tradition. Horrible people. How does that apply to zombies? 00;25;50;25 - 00;25;55;23 Mark I don't know. But now I can't stop thinking. 00;25;55;26 - 00;26;09;09 Sarah Like, do you have to be complete when you're buried the first time? But then if you come back and parts are falling off, it's okay. Are would you have zombies like picking up their beds and carrying them around because they know that it's important that they be complete? 00;26;09;09 - 00;26;10;01 Mark My poor have. 00;26;10;01 - 00;26;11;11 Sarah To know they're dead to do that. 00;26;11;11 - 00;26;15;10 Mark I don't. My first thought was are zombies that are Jewish better? 00;26;15;10 - 00;26;16;22 Sarah Like they're more complete. 00;26;16;22 - 00;26;17;22 Mark They're more complete. 00;26;17;24 - 00;26;24;01 Sarah Yeah. They might last longer as zombies. So if you're a zombie lord going to raise hordes of the dead. 00;26;24;04 - 00;26;26;05 Mark Yeah, if you're a necromancer. 00;26;26;05 - 00;26;38;27 Sarah But they're also. They're not preserved before they're buried. That's true. So they'd probably be more rotten because they don't have the formaldehyde and stuff. Not what is the what's the word. 00;26;39;00 - 00;26;39;18 Mark Preserved. 00;26;39;23 - 00;26;41;12 Sarah Now, the other word pickled. 00;26;41;14 - 00;26;46;24 Mark No, not pickled. 00;26;46;26 - 00;26;52;00 Sarah When a mortician prepares a body embalmed. Thank you, Pickle. 00;26;52;02 - 00;26;54;09 Mark They're not embalming. 00;26;54;12 - 00;26;55;06 Sarah So they might be. 00;26;55;06 - 00;26;58;05 Mark That might be my best joke. So, like, die. 00;26;58;06 - 00;27;00;29 Sarah So they might be a bit more bodily when they come? 00;27;00;29 - 00;27;03;19 Mark Yeah, maybe. 00;27;03;21 - 00;27;18;09 Sarah Just different traditions, you know? And then there are the people who go for the natural burial, you know, get buried under a tree. Yeah. And they come back as zombies with trees growing out. It's heavy to drag around the tree with you. Yeah. You're trying to eat brains there. 00;27;18;09 - 00;27;20;26 Mark What is the problem you had with the last episode. 00;27;20;26 - 00;27;22;15 Sarah Other than Enid's in it? 00;27;22;17 - 00;27;24;07 Mark Yes, Other than Enid? 00;27;24;09 - 00;27;24;29 Sarah I don't know. 00;27;24;29 - 00;27;31;27 Mark There were too few characters. Yes. So we need more characters? Yes. So let's get Sam involved now. 00;27;31;27 - 00;27;39;24 Sarah I like Sam, and Sam pulls off black eye makeup very well. They do a really good job with him after he gets beat up. 00;27;39;24 - 00;28;02;14 Mark He does. He's reading a Jewish new newspaper, and I went to find Jewish newspapers in Canada this time, and the closest I could find was the Yiddish or zonal from 1910 to 1975 actually produced roughly 200 yards from where I used to live in Toronto. Oh, the place I. 00;28;02;18 - 00;28;06;13 Sarah Saw in reality. It started after this episode. Yeah, this set. 00;28;06;15 - 00;28;12;13 Mark But I would imagine they had underground or more local papers. That's a kind of official paper. 00;28;12;18 - 00;28;33;18 Sarah Yeah, I would think so, Yeah. So Sam and Nathan both worked at the factory that Mr. Big Man runs. It's a sweatshop. Not just because it's hot and steamy, but because he makes people work long hours, underpaid them, chains change them in. Yeah, He locks the doors to not let people come and go. And then he has his dog, Jersey. 00;28;33;18 - 00;28;34;21 Sarah The doorman. 00;28;34;24 - 00;28;35;17 Mark Called Jersey. 00;28;35;17 - 00;28;36;13 Sarah That's his first name. 00;28;36;14 - 00;28;38;00 Mark I know. It's his first day. 00;28;38;01 - 00;28;38;28 Sarah He's Polish. 00;28;38;28 - 00;28;40;15 Mark I keep thinking Jersey Shore. 00;28;40;15 - 00;28;43;27 Sarah Jersey Peplowski. Yes. Who? Who answers the door? 00;28;43;28 - 00;28;45;01 Mark He's busy. 00;28;45;01 - 00;28;51;01 Sarah And George is like Moses. I'd like you go, George. Later you're going to tackle that guy and call him the best. 00;28;51;01 - 00;28;52;26 Mark George is property cop, cop. 00;28;52;26 - 00;28;58;13 Sarah And he is. So Sam and Nathan both work there. Yeah, They're the two young guys. 00;28;58;15 - 00;28;59;01 Mark Yes. 00;28;59;08 - 00;29;04;09 Sarah They're older than the children who work in the factory. Yes, but they're the young guys. 00;29;04;09 - 00;29;29;03 Mark So one of the things that happens is that the church, the synagogue is being sold and they've bought an old church Now where that money comes from and how the rabbi's involved with that is all kind of hush hush. But I did a search on synagogues in Toronto, and there wasn't a synagogue at this point in time. So this was like a hard to say. 00;29;29;03 - 00;29;33;05 Mark It's not official because wherever the Torah is and wherever there's. 00;29;33;05 - 00;29;34;23 Sarah Ten, ten people to be. 00;29;34;28 - 00;29;37;09 Mark Able to pray, it's a synagogue. Yeah, but. 00;29;37;15 - 00;29;46;15 Sarah One it's clear that the space they're meeting in now isn't a traditional synagogue. It's not a purpose built space. And somebody's dining room or something. 00;29;46;16 - 00;30;06;03 Mark Yes. Yeah. It wasn't until the 19 tens and twenties that they began actually building synagogues in Toronto, which I walked past several times, including the first one. So as someone who lived in Toronto, I didn't realize it was a synagogue, but it isn't now. But it's Toronto, so it's apartments now. 00;30;06;07 - 00;30;07;04 Sarah Because everything gets. 00;30;07;04 - 00;30;10;11 Mark Turned, turned into apartments in Toronto. 00;30;10;13 - 00;30;21;20 Sarah And we find out that Devorah has purchased the worst beauty product ever. If you have to sign the Poison book to buy a face cream, don't buy that. 00;30;21;20 - 00;30;24;11 Mark The Song of Solomon Beauty. Arsenic treatment. 00;30;24;11 - 00;30;25;09 Mark Yeah. 00;30;25;11 - 00;30;29;27 Sarah Isn't it romantic? Lips like wine, face like death. 00;30;29;28 - 00;30;33;05 Mark You too will glow until you die. Yeah. 00;30;33;08 - 00;30;57;05 Sarah It's like when they used to use. Oh, that, like, uranium laced stuff. Yes. Because it made your face glow. Yeah, Yeah, because you got radioactive island lady. They're going to run off because she bought the skin cream. So the skin cream that has the symbol on it on the top, that means arsenic. But everybody's like, well, if you rearrange the lines, it makes a star okay. 00;30;57;06 - 00;30;59;20 Sarah No, not really, but. All right. 00;30;59;22 - 00;31;09;03 Mark And it's again, it's arsenic poisoning, alchemical God, the ghost possession. You've got the bad book. There's so much good stuff here. 00;31;09;10 - 00;31;11;25 Sarah Never mind. Greedy, greedy, bad, never. 00;31;11;25 - 00;31;12;05 Mark Mind. 00;31;12;05 - 00;31;30;03 Sarah Greedy. And Tom, George and Murdoch are talking about the case in the cop shop. Henry is behind them talking on the phone. Now what he's doing is taking a report that Sam has been beaten up. Yes, but you don't know that when he's on the phone and what it looks like as he's having the best gossip session. 00;31;30;03 - 00;31;31;01 Mark Yes, he is. 00;31;31;04 - 00;31;35;24 Sarah He's holding that phone like girl. Then what happened? Oh, my God. He's really he's. 00;31;35;24 - 00;31;38;09 Mark Doing some some background acting. 00;31;38;11 - 00;31;46;03 Sarah Yes, He's back there like watermelon, watermelon lama wah wah, wah wah. Because that's what you say when you're background acting. 00;31;46;08 - 00;31;50;21 Mark So Goldberg comes to the station and tells Murdoch that he didn't kill. 00;31;50;28 - 00;31;53;10 Sarah I've just come here to tell you I didn't kill anyone. 00;31;53;10 - 00;31;58;00 Mark And I have in my notes at this point in time, is Murdoch susceptible to good acting? 00;31;58;00 - 00;31;58;27 Sarah I think he is. 00;31;59;03 - 00;32;14;26 Mark Because now this is a trope, right? The trope is and it's two men here, but usually it's a man who's interrogating a woman and she goes, I couldn't have done it. I'm just not that kind of person. And suddenly the detective is like, I believe her. 00;32;14;26 - 00;32;15;27 Sarah Yeah, I now think. 00;32;15;27 - 00;32;23;00 Mark She's this is nothing like reality. It's just reality. Reality knows that good acting. 00;32;23;00 - 00;32;24;06 Sarah That people can lie. 00;32;24;07 - 00;32;28;28 Mark The people get lies. Yeah. So in reality, everything's based on evidence because it. 00;32;28;28 - 00;32;29;25 Sarah Has to be right. 00;32;29;28 - 00;32;36;22 Mark But. And this is more dramatic. That's what I'm saying. But it's still funny to say. Is Murdoch susceptible. 00;32;36;24 - 00;32;37;20 Sarah More? Not. 00;32;37;22 - 00;32;38;10 Mark Is the. 00;32;38;10 - 00;32;39;20 Sarah Wizard now. 00;32;39;22 - 00;32;40;20 Mark More dog? 00;32;40;23 - 00;32;44;05 Mark Is Murdoch susceptible to good acting? 00;32;44;06 - 00;32;53;02 Sarah Yes. If Goldberg was less convincing, he might think he was still a suspect then. Goldberg is a good actor played by Jonathan Walk, and so he's convincing. 00;32;53;09 - 00;32;58;04 Mark So let's go give Mr. Jersey a visit to Big Bastard. 00;32;58;10 - 00;33;00;09 Mark Get back here, you big bastard. 00;33;00;11 - 00;33;05;04 Sarah George, because he tries to run. Where is he going to go? The place is so crowded. 00;33;05;07 - 00;33;11;12 Mark Yep. So then it cuts to the back to the station. And George is all beat up. 00;33;11;12 - 00;33;15;23 Sarah In the interrogation room. Yeah. Oh, Jersey makes a big mistake. 00;33;15;23 - 00;33;17;04 Mark Oh, he spits on the. 00;33;17;04 - 00;33;18;19 Sarah Floor in front of Tom. 00;33;18;19 - 00;33;19;03 Mark Yeah. 00;33;19;03 - 00;33;25;08 Sarah Oh, you don't do that. No, he's going to have to wipe it up with his own hat. 00;33;25;10 - 00;33;32;19 Mark But then he's like, They're like, Oh, you're in trouble for murder. He's like, Oh, I'll tell you everything. Yeah. 00;33;32;21 - 00;33;48;11 Sarah Now what do you want to know? I'm telling you, please let me go. Let me clean that spit up before I go. He says that Goldberg and big old men are buying up properties together because they know they're going to be demolished. And then new developments are going to come in. So they're going to make money with the value of the land is going to. 00;33;48;11 - 00;33;49;28 Mark This happened several. 00;33;49;28 - 00;34;06;11 Sarah Times. It happens all the time. It's happening right now, everywhere, all the time. So it's not a big surprise. And it's not against the law necessarily. No. Right. If you're paying a fair price, for what it's worth, the fact that the value goes up later is not a crime. However, Big man is a bad. 00;34;06;11 - 00;34;09;01 Mark Guy, beat up people and poison them. 00;34;09;05 - 00;34;09;27 Sarah That or. 00;34;09;27 - 00;34;13;22 Mark Start a union and sell your daughter. 00;34;13;25 - 00;34;14;26 Sarah Twice. 00;34;14;28 - 00;34;15;05 Mark Why? 00;34;15;05 - 00;34;16;09 Sarah That's a bad idea. 00;34;16;09 - 00;34;16;28 Mark That's a bad. 00;34;16;28 - 00;34;32;10 Sarah Idea. Because one of the letters that's in Nathan's mysterious book that isn't mysterious is a marriage contract for Deborah and Nathan to get married that apparently was created on the boat coming over from Europe. Yeah. By their fathers. 00;34;32;12 - 00;34;35;11 Mark Yeah. That whole thing is, like, in waves. 00;34;35;13 - 00;34;36;09 Mark Yeah. 00;34;36;11 - 00;34;38;13 Sarah Don't look over here. 00;34;38;16 - 00;34;41;00 Mark Pay no attention to what's going on here. 00;34;41;01 - 00;34;45;15 Sarah I think it's really stupid that Murdoch's notes on the board just happened to make a star of David. 00;34;45;17 - 00;34;47;14 Mark That is the worst part of the episode. 00;34;47;14 - 00;34;50;19 Sarah That is so over the top that pandering. 00;34;50;26 - 00;34;54;05 Mark Not pandering, not pandering. It's a bit. 00;34;54;08 - 00;34;55;09 Sarah It's heavy handed. 00;34;55;11 - 00;34;56;10 Mark It's Heavy handed. 00;34;56;10 - 00;35;13;26 Sarah Yeah. A love triangle. Yes, that's a triangle. Yeah. But then there's an inverted triangle on top of it. Four different relationships. And it just happens to make a star. Yeah. Come on. Can we get to my favorite scene now? Yeah. When Murdoch and Enid go for tea again. 00;35;13;29 - 00;35;15;18 Mark The tea shop of dumped out. 00;35;15;21 - 00;35;20;12 Sarah And he breaks up with her, but not really. Oh, I so wanted that. 00;35;20;12 - 00;35;23;01 Mark To be real. 00;35;23;04 - 00;35;24;08 Mark So. 00;35;24;11 - 00;35;29;24 Sarah And does he invite her out for tea to tell her that they're done and then just weenies out. 00;35;29;24 - 00;35;31;12 Mark I think that's what he does. 00;35;31;19 - 00;35;41;05 Sarah I think so too. I think he's fantasizing about saying I'm sorry, but I'm not over her. But then he weenies out and get distracted by his own case so he doesn't do it. 00;35;41;08 - 00;35;54;25 Mark And like I don't like it. But her whole point is you're a policeman. I'm worried about you. You make bad decisions because you're a policeman and he's like, Steam, I'm out of here. 00;35;54;28 - 00;35;56;25 Sarah He does a Barnaby. 00;35;56;27 - 00;36;04;20 Mark The Barnaby proving is not a good person to be in a relationship with Enid. So she should go away forever. 00;36;04;23 - 00;36;12;16 Sarah Yeah. So he chooses the tea shop as the place that he's going to break up with her? Yes. Is the tea shop a good place to break up with somebody? 00;36;12;17 - 00;36;20;10 Mark Well, I got to say, I've been broken up with a lot. I'm here to say we don't want to name names. We don't need to name names. 00;36;20;13 - 00;36;21;19 Sarah It's way back when. 00;36;21;19 - 00;36;22;10 Mark Way back when? 00;36;22;11 - 00;36;23;00 Sarah Before I knew. 00;36;23;00 - 00;36;32;04 Mark You. Before you knew me. And. Yeah, tea shops. Pretty good because it's public. It's quick. It's not like you went to dinner with the person. 00;36;32;09 - 00;36;45;01 Sarah You don't have to sit through dessert after having broken up. Oh, the awkward. Right. And it's a relatively quiet and genteel place, so you can't make a scene. Yeah. Though if you chose to. There's a lot to break. 00;36;45;07 - 00;36;47;16 Mark There is a lot to break in. 00;36;47;17 - 00;36;48;09 Sarah You could totally. 00;36;48;09 - 00;36;50;21 Mark Flip that table while. 00;36;50;23 - 00;36;54;20 Mark But I might like her if she like. 00;36;54;20 - 00;36;58;02 Mark Oh, that red haired Aussie doctor. 00;36;58;04 - 00;37;00;14 Sarah Throws the table, breaks the chain. 00;37;00;14 - 00;37;04;13 Mark Touches down by. 00;37;04;16 - 00;37;28;13 Sarah And you pick her over me like, Oh, wait a minute, let's keep Enid like her. So are there. I don't know that that's a risk. I think Enid is a very reserved person. I think he can trust that she's not going to do that. Yes, but that's. That's not nice. I mean, are there other places like are there worst places Like Because if she if she did lose it, that's a bad place to be. 00;37;28;14 - 00;37;32;20 Sarah If you're going to make a scene in society in front of dainty ladies who are going to talk, you. 00;37;32;20 - 00;37;34;25 Mark Don't want to dump someone at the gun range. 00;37;35;02 - 00;37;40;16 Sarah No, no, no. Let's agree that if you're going to dump somebody, you need to take them someplace where. 00;37;40;21 - 00;37;41;13 Mark You're in public. 00;37;41;14 - 00;37;47;04 Sarah You're in public, and whatever it is you're going to do as kind of a cover for the conversation has to be something that can be. 00;37;47;04 - 00;37;49;17 Mark Brief and short. Yeah, shrift. 00;37;49;20 - 00;37;51;19 Sarah And you can go, Yeah, So. 00;37;51;23 - 00;37;55;03 Mark And don't engage in the activity for a long time and then. 00;37;55;03 - 00;37;55;16 Sarah Dump them. 00;37;55;16 - 00;38;00;03 Mark Right? Like, don't be like, I know we just sat through a four hour movie. 00;38;00;03 - 00;38;08;01 Sarah But that breaks a long, Yeah, the long time rule, right? It has to be short time. So don't meet at the knife shop. 00;38;08;01 - 00;38;09;16 Mark No, that one knife shop. 00;38;09;16 - 00;38;19;04 Sarah That would be bad. Yes, I think it would be good to meet meat outside some place that then only you can go into and they can't follow you. 00;38;19;07 - 00;38;19;28 Mark Right. 00;38;20;01 - 00;38;26;13 Mark Like, Hey, babe, I like to meet you outside the strip club. We just got a little thing to talk about before I. 00;38;26;15 - 00;38;29;22 Sarah And then you run inside and she won't follow you into the strip club. 00;38;29;22 - 00;38;32;23 Mark I guess not. That's not something that actually happened to me. 00;38;32;25 - 00;38;43;06 Sarah Like you could say. I'm going to. I'm going to meet my boyfriend out in front of the OBGYN office because then he'll think maybe I'm pregnant, but really I'm just breaking up with him. 00;38;43;06 - 00;38;44;06 Mark Or or where he'll. 00;38;44;06 - 00;38;47;04 Sarah Be relieved and then I can run inside and he can't follow me. 00;38;47;05 - 00;38;52;05 Mark Worse. Baby, can you meet me in front of the jeweler? We got something to talk. 00;38;52;07 - 00;38;55;15 Sarah He's gonna propose. He's going to propose now. I'm just breaking up with you. 00;38;55;22 - 00;38;58;15 Mark Dumped down. I need a new watch. 00;38;58;17 - 00;39;01;06 Mark That's a bad idea. 00;39;01;08 - 00;39;10;11 Sarah No. Where? Where You're meeting on a high ledge. No, where they can shove you over. Don't meet on a bridge. The Eiffel Tower on a cliff. Yeah, that would be a bad place. 00;39;10;11 - 00;39;11;17 Mark Oh, bad places. 00;39;11;19 - 00;39;13;21 Sarah No precarious place. 00;39;13;23 - 00;39;16;09 Mark But now we just started this transatlantic voyage. 00;39;16;09 - 00;39;22;24 Sarah But now we're trapped on this boat together for six months after we've broken up. 00;39;22;26 - 00;39;23;21 Mark I heard. 00;39;23;27 - 00;39;37;11 Sarah Yeah. No, no. So all in all, the tea shop is not a bad place? No, but then he wins out. He doesn't do it, but he sort of does do it. Yeah, because he runs off. I think he ditches or with the bill for the tea. 00;39;37;11 - 00;39;43;20 Mark He totally deserted. Or what. The bill. The cloud of death. Oh no. That's a future episode. That's actually good. 00;39;43;23 - 00;39;51;24 Sarah So Bagel Man poisons the steam machine with his daughter's face cream to kill the pro-union worker. 00;39;51;24 - 00;39;55;01 Mark I'm telling you, I'm not wearing no shirt. 00;39;55;03 - 00;39;57;19 Sarah Those shirts would be lethal. 00;39;57;19 - 00;39;58;10 Mark Yeah. 00;39;58;12 - 00;40;11;15 Sarah They'd be worse than licking that book. Yeah, You get a little bit warm and the arsenic to come out of the fabric start to feel bad. Yeah, You get a little bit sweatier, you get more arsenic, and then you get killed by your own shirt. 00;40;11;18 - 00;40;13;06 Mark Killed by your own shirt. 00;40;13;13 - 00;40;17;19 Sarah Never mind that whoever ironed it is dead. All right, so your shirt. 00;40;17;25 - 00;40;21;15 Mark And the guy in the machine next to him in the gut, like. 00;40;21;17 - 00;40;22;13 Sarah Everybody. 00;40;22;16 - 00;40;23;02 Mark Grimm. 00;40;23;08 - 00;40;24;23 Sarah Would be steamed to death. 00;40;24;23 - 00;40;28;02 Mark They're locked in. Of course, it's going to be a death trap. 00;40;28;07 - 00;40;46;00 Sarah And then you buy the shirt that's been steamed by the dead people who were murdered for being pro-union. You get poisoned by the arsenic and you start to get weak, and then they're attached to you because you're wearing the shirt. Yeah. Invading your private part. And then there's a bad scene. 00;40;46;00 - 00;40;57;01 Mark Then the doctor shows up and shoots everybody. I don't like Character X arrives at the end and shoots person. It's it's a trope and it's an easy way out of the episode. 00;40;57;08 - 00;41;01;26 Sarah Before we get to that, can we talk a little bit about how bad Big Omen is? 00;41;01;29 - 00;41;22;24 Mark Well, okay, I think we have in that he sold his daughter twice. Okay. He locks people into the room. Okay. Yeah. He has a guy. Once you have hired a person to do physical harm to other people, you're officially moving on from the good guy List of the bad guy list. 00;41;22;24 - 00;41;23;14 Sarah Okay. 00;41;23;16 - 00;41;27;07 Mark Okay, then. Then he puts the stuff in the steam. 00;41;27;08 - 00;41;42;13 Sarah Before that, though, he tells his daughter, I want you to look beautiful on your wedding day to this guy I sold you, too. So go buy some poisonous face cream and wear it so that I can take some of it and use it to murder somebody. 00;41;42;13 - 00;41;44;15 Mark Totally frames his own daughter. 00;41;44;18 - 00;41;55;00 Sarah And convinces her to buy something because it will make her pretty. That will actually make her sick. And he knows that. Yeah. He gets his daughter to buy his murder weapon for him. 00;41;55;02 - 00;41;55;14 Mark Yeah. 00;41;55;17 - 00;41;57;08 Sarah That's so bad. 00;41;57;11 - 00;42;03;15 Mark So bad. And confuse all the cops who went around all the different stores to ask. 00;42;03;17 - 00;42;09;28 Sarah Because they're not looking for face cream. No, but again, if you have to sign the poison book to buy the face cream, don't buy it. 00;42;10;05 - 00;42;16;09 Mark If you have to sign the poison book to buy something and it doesn't end up being rats, there's a problem. 00;42;16;12 - 00;42;32;21 Sarah But it's like as a parent, if you bought your child a giant set of Legos that they've always wanted and they're so excited about it, and then while they're at school, you build a machete of Legos and kill somebody with it and then put the Legos back in the. 00;42;32;24 - 00;42;36;27 Mark I don't know where how much the kid brought them in the house. Not me. 00;42;36;27 - 00;42;41;12 Sarah Yeah, it must have been Bobby. Bobby did it with him like a machete. 00;42;41;13 - 00;42;45;03 Mark He's horrible. I did try to find a poisoned book. 00;42;45;08 - 00;42;45;29 Sarah Mm hmm. 00;42;46;02 - 00;42;48;12 Mark I would love to get one of those. 00;42;48;15 - 00;42;49;21 Sarah They're super boring. 00;42;49;25 - 00;42;52;05 Mark Yeah, well, no, it's just a list of people's names. 00;42;52;05 - 00;42;53;02 Sarah And what they bought. 00;42;53;02 - 00;42;55;05 Mark But I wanted the cover. 00;42;55;05 - 00;43;12;11 Sarah Oh, yeah? Well, and some of them, the more advanced ones instead of having to write arsenic on the line, they have a list of the poisons, and you just check the boxes, Right? And the number of ounces that they bought. Yeah. So you can see all the possible poisons that somebody might carry in their store. 00;43;12;11 - 00;43;14;16 Mark The fantastic world of Apothecary. 00;43;14;16 - 00;43;16;13 Mark Yes, exactly. 00;43;16;16 - 00;43;18;11 Sarah Can you put that in a face cream for me? 00;43;18;12 - 00;43;19;14 Mark How about Steam? 00;43;19;15 - 00;43;29;05 Sarah So Big? You don't. You don't like the shows up and shoot people. I understand that. But I would argue that Bagel Man is actually a good person. 00;43;29;05 - 00;43;29;22 Mark They go. 00;43;29;25 - 00;43;33;18 Sarah No, no, sorry. Goldberg okay. Goldberg is a good person. 00;43;33;18 - 00;43;38;16 Mark Goldberg is misogynistic of his time. MM He is. 00;43;38;16 - 00;43;40;09 Sarah Not. No worse than anybody else. 00;43;40;10 - 00;43;46;13 Mark And he is entitled and privileged of his time. Yes. His race and his status. 00;43;46;13 - 00;43;47;09 Sarah Yes. 00;43;47;12 - 00;43;51;20 Mark All of those things. Yes. In the end, I think he loves Devra. 00;43;51;27 - 00;44;06;00 Sarah Not in a healthy way. Not at all. But he does love her. Yeah. And he sacrifices himself. Yeah. For her future. Yes. Because he knows whether he marries her or not. She still has an epic asshole as a dad. 00;44;06;04 - 00;44;07;14 Mark Yeah. And so now she does. 00;44;07;14 - 00;44;08;24 Sarah And something's got to happen. 00;44;08;24 - 00;44;10;14 Mark Never mind Deborah's. 00;44;10;14 - 00;44;11;22 Sarah Mom. Where's Deborah's? 00;44;11;22 - 00;44;13;04 Mark Mom is Deborah's mom. 00;44;13;04 - 00;44;14;16 Sarah We have to assume that she's gone. 00;44;14;16 - 00;44;17;10 Mark Yeah, we have to assume. I'm assuming the one. 00;44;17;14 - 00;44;19;03 Sarah Just like Nathan's dad. 00;44;19;04 - 00;44;20;11 Mark You told our daughter. 00;44;20;15 - 00;44;23;16 Mark Oh, come here. Let's stand by the edge of the boat. 00;44;23;18 - 00;44;24;17 Mark Oh. 00;44;24;19 - 00;44;29;16 Sarah I have some face cream for you to try. Let me steam your shirt. Wear it out in the sun. 00;44;29;23 - 00;44;30;20 Mark Okay. 00;44;30;23 - 00;44;34;15 Sarah So now Deborah's going to take over the factory, and she's pro-union, by the way. 00;44;34;16 - 00;44;36;00 Mark Yeah. 00;44;36;03 - 00;44;37;08 Sarah Just. Just so you know. 00;44;37;08 - 00;44;42;16 Mark I think Deborah and Sam are going to get together and have awesome family. That's what I think. 00;44;42;16 - 00;44;44;13 Sarah They could run a really good factory together. 00;44;44;14 - 00;44;48;15 Mark Run a great factory. You know, maybe clean that one machine. 00;44;48;17 - 00;45;02;05 Sarah Who's going to inherit all of Goldberg's real estate, like we'll ever get it because they. Because Benjamin and Goldberg bought them together. Maybe Do you think he wrote a quick will before he went off and shot her dad? 00;45;02;05 - 00;45;04;15 Mark I don't know. I hope he did. 00;45;04;17 - 00;45;17;20 Sarah But she may just be broken for life, though. Yeah. When you have to face up to the fact that your dad poisoned the love of your life and was then shot by your fiancee, that's a lie. 00;45;17;21 - 00;45;20;09 Mark With stuff he asked you to buy. 00;45;20;09 - 00;45;27;02 Sarah Yeah. Using a weapon that he tricked you into buying. That's complicated. She's going to need some therapy. 00;45;27;02 - 00;45;29;23 Mark Do you think Jersey keeps his job or. 00;45;29;25 - 00;45;30;21 Sarah No. 00;45;30;23 - 00;45;31;20 Mark He gets a new job. 00;45;31;25 - 00;45;48;20 Sarah I don't know. Jersey strikes me as the big, dumb, loyal lug. Yeah, So he knows that big old man and Goldberg were doing bad things. So I think if Devra talked to him and said, Okay, Jersey, they were bad. Yeah. Bad guys. Yeah. What they were doing was wrong, wrong. 00;45;48;20 - 00;45;50;02 Mark Wrong, wrong, bad guy. 00;45;50;03 - 00;45;52;17 Sarah Wrong, bad guys. We don't do that stuff anymore. 00;45;52;19 - 00;45;55;03 Mark Okay? Okay. I work in factory. 00;45;55;04 - 00;46;06;24 Sarah I want you to actually protect the people who work here now instead of trying to track them. Okay? Okay. I think you do it. Okay. I think you'd actually be handy to have around. And don't spit on the floor anymore. 00;46;06;27 - 00;46;10;01 Mark Yes, okay. Or you'll have to use your hat to clean it up. 00;46;10;08 - 00;46;23;12 Sarah Murdock's going to try to write another letter. He's hopeless. Oh, dear. Julia, I have become aware of the fact that while prevaricating on the status of our pre romantic canoodling. 00;46;23;15 - 00;46;24;27 Mark And the episode kind of. 00;46;24;27 - 00;46;39;21 Sarah Goes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just kind of like cute funeral type. And yeah. Meanwhile, Enid's flipping tables in tea shops, right? So mad she runs up, just knocks a coffin off in their arms. 00;46;39;21 - 00;46;42;13 Mark I'm so angry. 00;46;42;16 - 00;46;44;24 Sarah Her and her kid disturbing around town. 00;46;44;24 - 00;46;50;27 Mark Or again, this is another episode of well, we can't afford to pay the kid. He's not alive. 00;46;51;02 - 00;46;58;23 Sarah Anymore. She become a villain, an anti police vigilante villain because she doesn't like their lifestyle. 00;46;58;24 - 00;47;04;21 Mark Next year we'll get to a fantastic female villain for Murdoch. 00;47;04;23 - 00;47;14;28 Sarah If we cover another season. Yeah, whenever. But yeah, I think they could have done that with Enid because she's lost a man that she loves to his career. 00;47;14;28 - 00;47;17;09 Mark But then she'd have to be more episodes and I hate. 00;47;17;15 - 00;47;19;20 Sarah That's true. That's true. 00;47;19;24 - 00;47;21;06 Mark It's only one left. 00;47;21;08 - 00;47;25;21 Sarah Maybe. Maybe her son Alan could grow up and he could be the bad guy. 00;47;25;25 - 00;47;30;08 Mark Okay, Best corpse. We've covered that because there's only one corpse. 00;47;30;10 - 00;47;34;22 Sarah Not. He's not just the best corpse. Because he's the only corpse. He's the best corpse because he wakes up. 00;47;34;22 - 00;47;36;23 Mark He wakes up. 00;47;36;25 - 00;47;39;24 Sarah He's got the why incision and everything. And it's. 00;47;39;27 - 00;47;42;04 Mark The weirdest moment of the episode. 00;47;42;04 - 00;47;43;23 Sarah I wanted him to set up so bad And. 00;47;43;27 - 00;47;45;12 Mark Brains. 00;47;45;14 - 00;47;56;12 Sarah Julia, be like, I have some in a jar of here. Hold on. I'll get him for you if he's there. Protestant brains, They're pickled. They're not embalmed. 00;47;56;12 - 00;47;58;23 Mark They're just kind of covered after the credits. 00;47;58;23 - 00;48;10;16 Sarah Yeah, we did. Well, the episode kind of does it for us. Yes. So that is Ask the Maiden and the killer Lego Machete. What's up next, sweetheart? 00;48;10;16 - 00;48;16;21 Mark Next, we have season two, Episode 12 Werewolves. 00;48;16;24 - 00;48;17;26 Mark Ham. 00;48;17;27 - 00;48;20;25 Mark Which is the final Enid. 00;48;20;28 - 00;48;21;07 Mark To. 00;48;21;09 - 00;48;21;28 Sarah She said, I. 00;48;21;28 - 00;48;23;21 Mark Don't care that they're a werewolf. 00;48;23;25 - 00;48;27;05 Sarah Does she get eaten by a werewolf? Does she become a werewolf and get shot? 00;48;27;12 - 00;48;28;13 Mark If Only. 00;48;28;17 - 00;48;30;18 Sarah We can. We rewrite. 00;48;30;18 - 00;48;34;23 Mark It and that'll come out the 2nd of October, which is. 00;48;34;27 - 00;48;38;20 Mark Spooky mind. October. 00;48;38;22 - 00;48;49;23 Mark We'll have a newsletter on the 4th of October, and then on the 9th of October we will finish off season two of Murdoch with episode 13. Anything you can do? 00;48;49;24 - 00;48;54;23 Sarah I can do better. Sibling rivalry with a brother who's a mountain. 00;48;54;26 - 00;49;11;00 Mark With the brother who's a mountie, and there is a whole back story that Americans watching this show will go, Oh, he is the brother is a mountie. Never mind that There was a show called Due South in which he played a Canadian cop who worked with an. 00;49;11;05 - 00;49;12;09 Sarah We can talk about that. 00;49;12;15 - 00;49;36;21 Mark Like there's a million things to talk about. Okay, then we're off on the 16th, and then on the 23rd we're going to start Father Brown. Now, we did Father Brown episode one, season one already, but I am going to change that episode a bit. I'm going to remix it, but also so it won't be a brand new episode. 00;49;36;21 - 00;49;44;01 Mark But if you've listened to it before, I would say you should listen to it. Maybe I'll throw some bloopers in there too. 00;49;44;03 - 00;49;45;15 Sarah Sorry, I was still Thinking Remix. 00;49;45;15 - 00;49;47;25 Mark Yes, maybe I'll throw some bloopers in there too. 00;49;47;26 - 00;49;48;23 Sarah That'd be fun. Yep. 00;49;48;23 - 00;49;58;09 Mark And that'll be released on the 23rd, but it won't be a new episode, will be a remixed version of an old episode. And then we're off. Of course. 00;49;58;11 - 00;49;59;03 Sarah For Halloween. 00;49;59;03 - 00;50;01;01 Mark October 30th. We're off that. 00;50;01;01 - 00;50;04;12 Mark Day with. 00;50;04;14 - 00;50;18;13 Mark Paul and that schedule in all its complexity, of course, will be in the next newsletter too. It was in the last newsletter, but yeah, in the next newsletter. Do remember to like subscribe, click the button. 00;50;18;15 - 00;50;21;03 Sarah All those say awesome things on Reddit. 00;50;21;03 - 00;50;23;13 Mark Say awesome things on Reddit. 00;50;23;17 - 00;50;24;22 Sarah Until then. 00;50;24;24 - 00;50;37;13 Mark I do want to say we'll probably be putting some spit and polish on the socials for when we switch to Father Brown, because we always do that. When we're switch it up, we make them a little different. 00;50;37;13 - 00;50;42;21 Sarah So yeah. And he sent us a message about where you think the worst place to break up with somebody would be. 00;50;42;21 - 00;50;44;17 Mark Oh yeah, I'd love to hear that because. 00;50;44;21 - 00;50;46;29 Sarah You know, gun range is a pretty, pretty bad one. 00;50;47;06 - 00;50;50;27 Mark Let's work on range is pretty bad. 00;50;50;29 - 00;50;53;04 Sarah All right. Until then, Bye, maniacs. 00;50;53;04 - 00;50;54;14 Mark Simon in your. 00;50;54;16 - 00;50;57;01 Sarah Own Bound remix. 00;50;57;06 - 00;51;12;28 Mark In a. 00;51;13;00 - 00;51;17;27 Mark And the History of Hebrew Romance, The history of Hebrew man.