How Did We Get Here

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"Life don't mind taking time to make no sense," singer-songwriter Gavin Conner's lyrics sum up well.

Gavin is an Asheville-based singer-songwriter and co-creator/host of The Holy Hour all Cure podcast. We talk good grief and relentless creativity.

Family, songs, appreciation, Disintegration, and time: listen in on the journey of getting from here to there with grief.

Show Notes

HOW DID WE GET HERE flips the migrant story.  Come, here the story of us.

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Gavin Conner joins us from the mountain valley of Asheville, North Carolina. This talented singer-songwriter is also the co-creator and host of the one of a kind, all Cure podcast, The Holy Hour. We talk creativity, shadows of grief, and moving between the two. You don't want to miss the music. Here's a preview of our talk and here's a snippet on Gavin's take on good music, good grief, and why The Cure matters to so many.

Whatever your journey through these times, take a listen.

Honorable Mentions
* Middle Kids Lost Friends album
* Let's Go
(So We Can Get Back) by Jeff Tweedy
* Fraser A. Gorman Easy-Dazy album
* The Twilight Sad
New inductees to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and long-time band, The Cure
* Musical fellow-in-arms Ryan Barrington Cox
* The song "Long Goodbyes"
* Photo by Katelyn Avots

Buy or stream Gavin's albums via Bandcamp and join in on all things The Cure at The Holy Hour

*An Island Take on all things grief: Bodhi Be and Doorway Into Light*
Tune into Bodhi Be's educational, inspiring
radio show on transitions - a voice we value on island.

Glossary: What is the Spotsylvania Mall? How can I get The Cure's Distintegration? Who is Evan Dando? "There is a Light That Never Goes Out?" Author Andres Neuman? What's gone on with Ryan Adams? What is a platitude and why's it bugging? For a deeper reflection on grief and the myth of closure, check out Pauline Boss conversation with Krista Tippet on On Being or the much followed NPR broadcast of Grief vs. Depression.** Watch humorist Emily Levine's popular Ted Talk "How I Made Friends With Reality." Need a tune for such times? Try Conner's "Return." For something completely different, try this.

**While we might note depression as part of grief during our conversation, we mean periods of sorrow (referring only to our own) during loss or hard times - not mental health conditions, major depression, complicated grief or trauma. No shame in any of this--that's why we're talking about grief and its complications and learnings on the other side. And, frankly, why it's okay for all feelings to travel through (because they likely will). If you're facing stronger challenges and circumstances or lacking support, reach out here, good soul. You're not alone. :)

What is How Did We Get Here?

HOW DID WE GET HERE are stories from all corners of the planet, flipping ideas of how we move through this life and what's really going on here.

Part Accident | History | Comedy | Tragedy | Family Saga | Economic Sojourn | Environmental Hustle | Political Battle | Technological Travail | Wonder | Grace | Triumph of Chance & Will | Refuge | Prayer | Survivor Tale | Gathering.

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