WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.870 --> 00:00:06.600 Welcome to Resilience Talk hosted by Paul Spencer of Second Nature Solutions. 00:00:07.020 --> 00:00:07.860 Let's dive in. 00:00:08.932 --> 00:00:12.322 Brandon Giella: Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Resilience 00:00:12.322 --> 00:00:15.192 Talk podcast I'm here with Paul Spencer. 00:00:15.192 --> 00:00:16.782 As always, thanks for joining us. 00:00:16.782 --> 00:00:22.032 Paul, I know we have been talking the last few episodes about what we're 00:00:22.032 --> 00:00:25.452 calling this faith series and talking about faith and how that relates to 00:00:25.452 --> 00:00:28.725 different aspects of our lives, including businesses and including resilience. 00:00:29.385 --> 00:00:32.805 And today we are gonna be talking about good news. 00:00:33.180 --> 00:00:36.360 And why good news is so important. 00:00:36.900 --> 00:00:43.440 And so Paul, I want to hear from this event that you went to tell us about 00:00:43.500 --> 00:00:48.390 why, uh, good news is on your mind these days, what precipitated this 00:00:48.390 --> 00:00:50.880 idea and then why does it matter? 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:52.110 Who cares that we have good news? 00:00:52.110 --> 00:00:53.010 Why are we thinking about it? 00:00:53.895 --> 00:00:54.225 Paul Spencer: Yeah. 00:00:54.615 --> 00:00:59.475 Um, yeah, so I have a friend of mine, Kent, was meeting, uh, with him 00:01:00.075 --> 00:01:01.995 basically an early morning coffee. 00:01:02.865 --> 00:01:03.825 Get together. 00:01:03.915 --> 00:01:09.915 Um, and, um, basically just talking to each other about, uh, 00:01:09.975 --> 00:01:11.740 nothing really around the, the. 00:01:12.675 --> 00:01:16.395 Um, society in general, but we were just talking business. 00:01:16.395 --> 00:01:19.425 Like I was asking him how, how things were going with his family. 00:01:19.425 --> 00:01:20.595 We were talking about family. 00:01:21.015 --> 00:01:25.095 Um, but I was asking him if he knew somebody, uh, that I wanted 00:01:25.095 --> 00:01:26.535 to connect with, and he did. 00:01:26.535 --> 00:01:30.285 And he suggested that I go to this event called The Good News. 00:01:30.915 --> 00:01:33.975 And I was, um, asking him more about that. 00:01:34.065 --> 00:01:35.355 I said, how'd you come up with that? 00:01:35.355 --> 00:01:37.420 And he said that, you know. 00:01:38.290 --> 00:01:43.330 We're in Cincinnati and sometimes Cincinnati gets a bad rap, and especially 00:01:43.390 --> 00:01:48.310 recently with some news and, um, with things going on in the city and 00:01:48.310 --> 00:01:49.780 the violence and that kinda stuff. 00:01:50.110 --> 00:01:53.890 And he said, but there's lots of awesome things that are going on in the city. 00:01:54.490 --> 00:02:00.160 A lot of new developments and initiatives and festivals and all kinds of things 00:02:00.160 --> 00:02:01.690 that people are working on in the city. 00:02:02.435 --> 00:02:07.085 So he, he said that, um, I don't know how long it's been, it's been about a year, 00:02:07.085 --> 00:02:09.335 maybe, maybe two years that he put it on. 00:02:09.335 --> 00:02:11.715 And the, the point of. 00:02:13.050 --> 00:02:19.830 Everybody gathering is for, to create a, a platform for local people to kind of 00:02:19.830 --> 00:02:24.210 just speak into some of the cool things that they're up to, um, for the city. 00:02:24.780 --> 00:02:27.150 And so I went to it and it was fun. 00:02:27.150 --> 00:02:28.020 It was actually a lot of fun. 00:02:28.020 --> 00:02:30.810 I didn't know what to expect and I enjoy going to those things anyway. 00:02:30.810 --> 00:02:34.440 'cause you get to meet all kinds of different people and amazingly 00:02:34.440 --> 00:02:38.760 enough you go there to some, at least in my mind, a fairly random. 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:43.050 Event that Kent was putting on in the, in the Chamber of 00:02:43.050 --> 00:02:44.820 Commerce, which I hardly ever go. 00:02:44.820 --> 00:02:49.170 And so I'm downtown and, and I run into like, I don't know, four 00:02:49.170 --> 00:02:50.490 or five people there, you know? 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:50.850 Right. 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:51.510 Of course. 00:02:51.510 --> 00:02:54.180 And then you get to hang out with them and then meet new people. 00:02:54.180 --> 00:02:57.060 So it's, it's kind of, kind of that atmosphere and then. 00:02:57.915 --> 00:03:03.405 Uh, they had, again, local people up on stage talking about the different 00:03:03.405 --> 00:03:04.455 things that they have going on. 00:03:04.455 --> 00:03:08.775 So for in Cincinnati, for, uh, those who may not know, or most 00:03:08.775 --> 00:03:14.655 of you probably do, uh, but we have a big beer heritage, right? 00:03:14.715 --> 00:03:18.585 Uh, so in the old days, Cincinnati was a big brewery. 00:03:19.585 --> 00:03:20.425 Uh, city. 00:03:20.515 --> 00:03:25.345 Um, and so we have Christian Moore line, and so there's October Fest 00:03:25.345 --> 00:03:26.755 is a big thing in Cincinnati. 00:03:26.755 --> 00:03:28.765 So there were lots of things going on with that. 00:03:28.915 --> 00:03:37.885 And then I learned that every state is, um, has a committee for the 250 year. 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:44.940 Anniversary of the United States and every state committee is, uh, tasked with 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:51.030 putting on something, um, or a number of things within their own state to celebrate 00:03:51.030 --> 00:03:54.180 their own unique part of the country. 00:03:54.780 --> 00:03:57.330 Um, and we're on the Ohio River and we have lots of. 00:03:57.945 --> 00:04:01.365 Paddle boats, river boats, um, that are on the, on the 00:04:01.365 --> 00:04:03.435 river from historical purposes. 00:04:03.435 --> 00:04:05.535 Like we have restaurants and things that are out there. 00:04:06.075 --> 00:04:10.845 Um, and so we're having, uh, an event, uh, around river boats. 00:04:11.370 --> 00:04:15.600 Um, and so we're gonna have boats from all over Memphis and 00:04:15.900 --> 00:04:18.000 New Orleans and all, all over. 00:04:18.420 --> 00:04:20.310 And it's meant to be a historical thing. 00:04:20.310 --> 00:04:26.520 So it's gonna talk about the history of water, right, and transport within our 00:04:26.520 --> 00:04:28.680 country and how it shaped the country. 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:32.730 And then there will be food on each one of the boats for, depending 00:04:32.730 --> 00:04:33.870 on what region they're from. 00:04:34.290 --> 00:04:37.140 So anyway, these are things I never even knew about, and they're talking 00:04:37.140 --> 00:04:39.120 about those, those fun things. 00:04:39.630 --> 00:04:40.170 Um. 00:04:40.815 --> 00:04:42.975 We have a history with, uh, George Clooney. 00:04:43.425 --> 00:04:46.065 Um, his mom is from Kentucky. 00:04:46.065 --> 00:04:51.495 He's from Kentucky, and uh, and I think, I'm not from, originally 00:04:51.495 --> 00:04:54.555 from Cincinnati, but I think his dad was maybe a local broadcaster. 00:04:54.885 --> 00:04:56.245 And so there's a lady that knew. 00:04:57.015 --> 00:05:00.885 His, him and his family and I guess was really good friends with 00:05:00.885 --> 00:05:06.735 his mother and she's in the, um, in the biz, I'll call it the biz. 00:05:06.945 --> 00:05:07.305 Right. 00:05:07.335 --> 00:05:10.185 And she was talking about these cool things that they're doing. 00:05:10.185 --> 00:05:15.405 They're bringing a conference here to Cincinnati, um, around, um, uh, kind 00:05:15.405 --> 00:05:17.385 of an actor's guild kind of thing. 00:05:17.385 --> 00:05:18.075 I'll call it that. 00:05:18.105 --> 00:05:19.695 I'm probably butchering that whole thing. 00:05:20.025 --> 00:05:22.880 But she was saying it was the first time it's gonna be in since in the us. 00:05:23.580 --> 00:05:27.630 And not international for the last maybe eight or 10 years, and they're 00:05:27.630 --> 00:05:29.130 gonna host it here in Cincinnati. 00:05:29.520 --> 00:05:32.820 She's talking about all the different screenings, like movie screenings 00:05:32.820 --> 00:05:33.780 and things that they'll do. 00:05:34.440 --> 00:05:38.070 Um, so anyway, lots of those kinds of things, which was fun to hear. 00:05:38.400 --> 00:05:40.815 Lots of other stuff that they did and, and it's really fast. 00:05:41.505 --> 00:05:43.875 So it's all in a half hour bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. 00:05:44.025 --> 00:05:47.355 And so you get done and you're like, oh, there's so many cool things that 00:05:47.355 --> 00:05:51.345 people are up to, so many cool things, at least from a Cincinnati perspective 00:05:51.345 --> 00:05:54.945 historically, that we have in our city, and that people are celebrating. 00:05:55.485 --> 00:06:00.075 Um, and so that got me thinking about the, the faith series that, 00:06:00.225 --> 00:06:02.025 that we're talking about now. 00:06:02.445 --> 00:06:07.695 And um, obviously the good news translates obviously. 00:06:08.085 --> 00:06:08.625 Um. 00:06:09.300 --> 00:06:14.250 But it also fits into, um, our age, the age that we're, we've 00:06:14.250 --> 00:06:15.360 been talking about, right? 00:06:15.750 --> 00:06:19.200 The, the turbulent times, the age of change, right? 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:23.100 And, um, and everything that's going on in the world as we've 00:06:23.100 --> 00:06:25.170 been discussing and talking about. 00:06:25.650 --> 00:06:29.790 And it's easy to get lost in the minutiae of that. 00:06:30.270 --> 00:06:33.420 Um, and it's easy to get lost in the social. 00:06:34.005 --> 00:06:38.805 Aspects of, of that, or maybe even the political disagreements of what 00:06:38.805 --> 00:06:44.205 that looks like or the world order of things and, and on and on and on and on. 00:06:44.265 --> 00:06:50.535 Um, and we talk about, obviously as business owners, the minutia of tariffs 00:06:50.535 --> 00:06:55.665 and how governments change policies here and there, and it affects us. 00:06:55.665 --> 00:06:57.315 Those are the imposed inputs. 00:06:57.585 --> 00:06:58.725 So it's easy to, to. 00:06:59.250 --> 00:07:02.285 Be stuck on the ugh of all of that. 00:07:02.905 --> 00:07:03.125 Um. 00:07:04.410 --> 00:07:08.820 It's also just as easy to think about what's the good news? 00:07:08.850 --> 00:07:11.340 Like what are the things going on in our industry? 00:07:11.340 --> 00:07:14.100 What are the things going on inside our business? 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:17.550 What are the good, what's the good news going on within 00:07:17.550 --> 00:07:19.950 the, uh, staff of our company? 00:07:20.250 --> 00:07:20.610 Right? 00:07:20.760 --> 00:07:21.660 Maybe there's new babies. 00:07:22.345 --> 00:07:22.765 Right. 00:07:22.765 --> 00:07:25.015 Maybe there's marriage, right? 00:07:25.225 --> 00:07:29.335 Maybe somebody's moving to a new place and, uh, they're graduating 00:07:29.335 --> 00:07:33.505 from our company and moving on to some other dream job, right? 00:07:33.505 --> 00:07:39.505 Those are all good news opportunities that we can, um, shift our focus a little bit. 00:07:40.075 --> 00:07:46.435 Um, and that makes us, it, uh, I absolutely felt. 00:07:47.370 --> 00:07:51.360 The good news at this event, and it was just very uplifting and fun and 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.450 not to, I mean, I'm not a doom and gloom guy, so I wasn't going in there 00:07:54.450 --> 00:07:56.520 thinking, oh, the world's on fire. 00:07:56.520 --> 00:07:56.820 Right. 00:07:57.030 --> 00:08:00.180 But it's just really fun to hear about, just like I just described to you. 00:08:00.660 --> 00:08:02.970 It's cool to think about all these things that are going on 00:08:02.970 --> 00:08:04.410 that I had no idea were going on. 00:08:04.590 --> 00:08:04.920 Right? 00:08:05.460 --> 00:08:08.670 Um, so anyway, it's just, it gives you a different feeling 00:08:09.150 --> 00:08:11.100 and, uh, and when you can. 00:08:11.325 --> 00:08:12.855 Celebrate the good news. 00:08:12.945 --> 00:08:15.375 Uh, then you see the world in a different way and then you 00:08:15.375 --> 00:08:16.905 just become more resilient. 00:08:17.505 --> 00:08:17.805 Right. 00:08:17.805 --> 00:08:22.065 Just kind of go back to our theme of resiliency and uh, and when 00:08:22.065 --> 00:08:24.225 those things do happen to us, right? 00:08:24.495 --> 00:08:25.575 We have more resiliency. 00:08:27.195 --> 00:08:32.385 Brandon Giella: I think it's so important to, at times, periodically remind. 00:08:33.315 --> 00:08:37.905 Your team, your family, whatever it is, uh, that there are a lot of 00:08:37.905 --> 00:08:43.035 amazing things that are happening and that happiness or joy, which are two 00:08:43.035 --> 00:08:47.205 different things, but, but that kind of positive element is really important. 00:08:47.925 --> 00:08:51.105 Not to be glib, not to be trite, not to be dismissive of things that 00:08:51.345 --> 00:08:52.905 are very hard, you know, and not 00:08:53.325 --> 00:08:53.595 Paul Spencer: Yeah. 00:08:53.595 --> 00:08:54.105 Or, yeah. 00:08:54.105 --> 00:08:54.345 Or. 00:08:55.305 --> 00:08:56.745 Even to put our head in the sand. 00:08:56.805 --> 00:08:57.045 Brandon Giella: Yeah. 00:08:57.045 --> 00:08:57.315 Right. 00:08:57.320 --> 00:08:57.520 Exactly. 00:08:57.675 --> 00:09:00.135 Paul Spencer: it's not to, it's not to hide from things. 00:09:00.540 --> 00:09:00.870 Brandon Giella: Yeah. 00:09:01.110 --> 00:09:04.350 But, but reminding, I mean, there's a lot of like, you know, there's a 00:09:04.350 --> 00:09:07.560 whole body of research, happiness research, happiness studies, you know, 00:09:07.560 --> 00:09:09.390 there's like college courses about it. 00:09:09.750 --> 00:09:13.950 And one of the biggest things I think to your point is, um, I think it's like 00:09:13.950 --> 00:09:18.870 one of the, the top, if not the top thing that you can do to improve your, 00:09:18.900 --> 00:09:21.420 like overall perspective is gratitude. 00:09:21.885 --> 00:09:23.985 Gratitude journaling and saying like, Hey, you know what? 00:09:24.345 --> 00:09:28.185 There are actually some things that I'm really thankful for and there are really 00:09:28.185 --> 00:09:32.715 positive and I'm excited about, and that can change your perspective such that 00:09:32.715 --> 00:09:35.835 you do become more resilient because you're able to see a broader perspective, 00:09:35.895 --> 00:09:37.185 which is really, really important. 00:09:37.605 --> 00:09:37.875 Paul Spencer: Yeah. 00:09:38.325 --> 00:09:38.535 Yeah. 00:09:38.535 --> 00:09:42.345 That's a powerful practice even, uh, right, right before bed. 00:09:42.975 --> 00:09:46.965 What are the, what are the three things I'm grateful for from today, right? 00:09:46.965 --> 00:09:47.295 Yeah. 00:09:47.835 --> 00:09:48.525 Yeah, absolutely. 00:09:48.735 --> 00:09:49.100 Brandon Giella: That's right. 00:09:49.605 --> 00:09:52.220 Paul Spencer: That's another, that's a great, good news tool, for sure. 00:09:53.475 --> 00:09:58.815 Brandon Giella: So you were mentioning, um, that without that 00:09:58.815 --> 00:10:03.975 reminder you can get sucked into all the negativity of the world, which, 00:10:04.425 --> 00:10:05.955 uh, of which there's quite a lot. 00:10:06.855 --> 00:10:09.825 And I was just talking to somebody recently very close to me that was saying 00:10:09.825 --> 00:10:15.075 basically like they're so consumed with the news or social media, Reddit, YouTube. 00:10:16.290 --> 00:10:20.820 It's just felt like this vortex of vortex of like darkness or thinking that World 00:10:20.820 --> 00:10:22.680 War III is coming or you know, whatever. 00:10:23.280 --> 00:10:27.750 Um, but something that, that, as you were talking, something that I was 00:10:27.750 --> 00:10:33.390 thinking about was, um, this quote from Teddy Roosevelt because it was 00:10:33.390 --> 00:10:38.460 talking about it, it reminds me of like, criticism is cheap and easy, 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:39.300 Paul Spencer: Mm-hmm. 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.640 Brandon Giella: so it's a popular quote, but I wanted to read it really 00:10:41.640 --> 00:10:44.850 quickly because I think it's, it kind of sets the stage of like, okay. 00:10:45.270 --> 00:10:48.180 How can we shift our perspective then and become more resilient and be more, 00:10:48.390 --> 00:10:50.520 you know, grateful, positive, hopeful. 00:10:51.330 --> 00:10:55.320 And, uh, the quote is called, uh, is referred to as the man in the arena. 00:10:56.790 --> 00:11:01.320 And he says, it is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.130 the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. 00:11:05.550 --> 00:11:09.330 The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is 00:11:09.330 --> 00:11:14.310 marred by dust and sweat and blood who strives valiantly, who errs and who comes 00:11:14.310 --> 00:11:18.455 short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcoming. 00:11:19.410 --> 00:11:22.530 But who does actually strive to do the deeds? 00:11:22.710 --> 00:11:23.340 Who knows? 00:11:23.340 --> 00:11:28.170 Great enthusiasms, the great devotions who spends himself in a worthy cause, who 00:11:28.170 --> 00:11:32.910 at the best knows in the end, the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, 00:11:32.910 --> 00:11:37.650 if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never 00:11:37.650 --> 00:11:42.720 be with those cold and ti timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. 00:11:43.190 --> 00:11:43.565 Paul Spencer: Hmm mm-hmm. 00:11:44.315 --> 00:11:44.945 Perfect. 00:11:45.425 --> 00:11:45.875 Wrap. 00:11:46.025 --> 00:11:46.775 Wrap it up. 00:11:47.405 --> 00:11:48.245 That's great. 00:11:48.330 --> 00:11:50.640 Brandon Giella: Because it's so easy to like look at the world and like, 00:11:50.640 --> 00:11:52.080 oh, every here everything's wrong. 00:11:52.110 --> 00:11:54.510 You know, my business here are all the wrong things about it, and 00:11:54.510 --> 00:11:56.850 my family or and myself, here's all the wrong things about it. 00:11:56.850 --> 00:12:00.090 But that kind of like hopeful, like, okay, let's shift our perspective a bit and 00:12:00.090 --> 00:12:01.710 let's think what is going really well. 00:12:01.710 --> 00:12:03.240 What can we be positive about? 00:12:03.630 --> 00:12:04.980 It's, it can work wonders. 00:12:05.355 --> 00:12:05.595 Paul Spencer: Yeah. 00:12:05.595 --> 00:12:11.475 When you, and when you're the man in the arena, um, your, your perspective shifts. 00:12:11.990 --> 00:12:16.215 Um, like what's a good way of kinda describing that? 00:12:16.215 --> 00:12:23.475 If, if I am, um, if I'm devoted, um, may even say busy. 00:12:23.760 --> 00:12:26.190 But maybe devoted might be a better word, right? 00:12:26.190 --> 00:12:32.280 If I'm devoted to, um, my business or if I'm devoted to 00:12:32.280 --> 00:12:34.830 my family or to my wife, right? 00:12:35.040 --> 00:12:42.330 Or if I'm devoted to Jesus and God and the good news, um, I don't have time 00:12:42.690 --> 00:12:45.540 to sit and look and critique, right? 00:12:45.540 --> 00:12:49.080 Kind of going back to your quote and critique everybody and what's 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:52.140 going on, and, uh, sit on scroll and. 00:12:52.770 --> 00:12:57.480 Instagram and Facebook and X and everything else, and Right. 00:12:57.540 --> 00:12:58.770 The infinite scroll. 00:12:59.100 --> 00:12:59.400 Right, 00:12:59.835 --> 00:13:01.305 Brandon Giella: Doom scrolling, as they call it. 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:01.770 Paul Spencer: yeah. 00:13:01.800 --> 00:13:03.030 'cause it never goes away. 00:13:03.420 --> 00:13:09.360 Um, and you can get sucked into those things, but if you are devoted and you 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.710 are disciplined and you just, you're just doing the things that you enjoy, 00:13:14.460 --> 00:13:18.420 um, it doesn't mean that, uh, it's easy. 00:13:18.930 --> 00:13:20.310 Or that it's not hard work. 00:13:20.310 --> 00:13:21.750 I mean, that's in the quote too, right? 00:13:22.110 --> 00:13:23.670 Uh, you're sweating, right? 00:13:24.030 --> 00:13:25.770 Uh, you're, what, what was the quote? 00:13:25.770 --> 00:13:28.260 The face, your face is dirty, right? 00:13:28.290 --> 00:13:31.530 All those things are, are part of being devoted. 00:13:32.520 --> 00:13:41.460 Um, and the, the idea of, of everything is easy and, uh, Pollyanna and utopian around 00:13:41.460 --> 00:13:43.905 us is not realistic and will never happen. 00:13:44.565 --> 00:13:44.955 Right. 00:13:45.435 --> 00:13:50.085 Um, but I think we've, we've kind of proven the theory over the last 00:13:50.085 --> 00:13:54.675 couple years just by our discussions that we are in this age of turmoil. 00:13:55.155 --> 00:13:55.485 Right? 00:13:55.785 --> 00:13:56.475 It's here. 00:13:56.985 --> 00:14:00.855 And we've talked about those theories and will they actually come true? 00:14:00.855 --> 00:14:04.365 And I, I think, I think the answer is yes, right? 00:14:04.725 --> 00:14:10.125 It, we're experiencing it and um, and it's not like it was before 00:14:10.125 --> 00:14:13.485 and maybe it's different than it was before and all of that, but. 00:14:13.875 --> 00:14:18.795 Uh, I think at this point we can expect, um, not fun things to 00:14:18.795 --> 00:14:21.225 be occurring right around us. 00:14:22.125 --> 00:14:26.865 Um, but when we're devoted and, uh, like what we talked about before 00:14:26.865 --> 00:14:32.835 and we can, we can reset ourselves, give ourselves, um, some rest, some 00:14:32.835 --> 00:14:36.105 peace, some prayer, 15 minutes, right? 00:14:36.615 --> 00:14:41.565 Um, and maybe even to reflect on the good news silently. 00:14:42.195 --> 00:14:45.465 Um, and with others, there's so much to that. 00:14:45.885 --> 00:14:53.415 And, um, and I can, um, I can just picture people listening, um, friends and family 00:14:53.655 --> 00:14:58.935 that I know would be nodding absolutely to everything that we're saying right here. 00:14:59.385 --> 00:15:04.875 Um, and so all of that is just, um, how do we do more of it? 00:15:05.145 --> 00:15:07.035 How do we do it intentionally? 00:15:07.605 --> 00:15:07.875 Right. 00:15:07.875 --> 00:15:12.105 How do we dedicate and devote ourselves to the good news? 00:15:12.735 --> 00:15:20.175 Um, and maybe even, um, maybe even that means that in our time 00:15:20.715 --> 00:15:22.575 that we do more of that, um. 00:15:24.150 --> 00:15:28.110 Then some of the other things that we enjoy doing or maybe more of that 00:15:28.110 --> 00:15:32.250 than just spending time at work, heads down, doing this and that. 00:15:32.250 --> 00:15:32.520 Right? 00:15:33.090 --> 00:15:34.980 And we're devoted spiritually, right? 00:15:34.980 --> 00:15:36.840 We're devoted with others socially. 00:15:37.380 --> 00:15:42.690 Um, we're devoted, um, in again, just seeing the positive 00:15:42.690 --> 00:15:44.100 things going on in our world. 00:15:44.520 --> 00:15:47.040 And when we see those things, we get to join. 00:15:47.940 --> 00:15:49.920 And be positive influences. 00:15:50.310 --> 00:15:51.870 And we get to create. 00:15:51.870 --> 00:15:54.600 And God gives us awesome things to download. 00:15:55.140 --> 00:15:59.460 And, uh, when we're in that mode and we're in that space and we're 00:15:59.460 --> 00:16:05.190 engaging and thinking about positive things, um, who knows what kind 00:16:05.190 --> 00:16:07.320 of ideas we get that now we're. 00:16:07.920 --> 00:16:11.520 Adding now where I'm, I'm standing on that platform, right at the good 00:16:11.520 --> 00:16:15.150 news event saying, this is what I'm up to, and this is what, right. 00:16:15.210 --> 00:16:20.640 Those, those things start to snowball and, um, it's all part of life, right? 00:16:20.760 --> 00:16:26.280 That's what, that's what we all aspire for purpose in life, right? 00:16:26.775 --> 00:16:27.915 Brandon Giella: I think it's essential. 00:16:28.125 --> 00:16:33.675 I think you can't do anything without, uh, I mean, we are like purposeful beings. 00:16:33.705 --> 00:16:36.735 We have to have some kind of purpose about anything that we do, you know, whatever. 00:16:36.735 --> 00:16:37.995 Even if it's, um. 00:16:38.265 --> 00:16:41.865 To not have a purpose in this moment, I'm resting, you know, that is my purpose. 00:16:42.015 --> 00:16:42.495 Paul Spencer: Yeah. 00:16:43.095 --> 00:16:45.585 Brandon Giella: But I think before we get into, you know, some of the more like 00:16:45.585 --> 00:16:47.595 practical, like how do we apply this? 00:16:47.595 --> 00:16:50.085 There's something that this quote touches on. 00:16:50.775 --> 00:16:56.385 Uh, in the very end of it, it says, so that his place, the man in the arena, 00:16:56.415 --> 00:17:01.755 shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. 00:17:02.125 --> 00:17:02.245 Paul Spencer: Hmm. 00:17:02.940 --> 00:17:07.290 Brandon Giella: And I'm curious for you how, because you brought up 00:17:07.290 --> 00:17:11.430 some, some virtues in the past and, and how the virtuous life even got 00:17:11.430 --> 00:17:14.340 me reading The Art of Living by Ed Sri talks all about the virtues. 00:17:14.340 --> 00:17:19.620 Highly recommend, please read it, um, is, uh, courage because I think 00:17:19.620 --> 00:17:24.960 to be a devoted person to have this purpose, fix it on something and do 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:29.160 it day in and day out, even if it's to be a good spouse or a good parent, 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.350 or a good boss or a good employee, or. 00:17:31.800 --> 00:17:36.030 You know, even in, in some mundane, everyday ways, it takes a lot of 00:17:36.030 --> 00:17:39.420 courage to get up and just do it again and again and again and again. 00:17:39.900 --> 00:17:44.370 And I'm curious how you relate courage to, to having that kind of devotion 00:17:44.370 --> 00:17:45.420 or that kind of focus like that. 00:17:46.410 --> 00:17:47.100 Paul Spencer: Um, yeah. 00:17:47.100 --> 00:17:55.920 So, uh, the worldly things pull us, um, away from some of the devotion and I, uh, 00:17:55.980 --> 00:18:00.420 not necessarily doesn't necessarily mean a spiritual devotion, but it's just the, the 00:18:00.420 --> 00:18:04.710 devotion to do things, um, that are right. 00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:05.310 Brandon Giella: Yeah. 00:18:05.790 --> 00:18:06.180 Paul Spencer: Right. 00:18:06.510 --> 00:18:08.130 So it's easy to. 00:18:09.015 --> 00:18:15.045 Um, defer that because I've got a important client meeting or I've 00:18:15.045 --> 00:18:20.685 got a important business meeting, or, um, maybe I defer something in 00:18:20.685 --> 00:18:26.325 my personal life because work right is, is pulling me in this direction. 00:18:26.835 --> 00:18:33.675 And so it does take courage to be able to draw a line and say, you 00:18:33.675 --> 00:18:36.255 know, work will be here tomorrow. 00:18:36.615 --> 00:18:36.795 And. 00:18:37.530 --> 00:18:40.920 I'm pretty certain that if I got everything done today, that 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:42.420 I'd still have work tomorrow. 00:18:43.140 --> 00:18:47.370 And if I got everything done that I wanna get done tomorrow, that the 00:18:47.370 --> 00:18:49.470 next day I'll still have work to do. 00:18:49.950 --> 00:18:50.310 Right? 00:18:50.610 --> 00:18:52.560 So work will never go away. 00:18:53.220 --> 00:18:58.170 Um, so it takes courage for me to be able to say, I've done what I can 00:18:58.170 --> 00:19:05.880 do today and, uh, maybe I have a, a process to best prioritize my work. 00:19:06.300 --> 00:19:06.570 Right. 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:09.000 Um, but I can do what I've done. 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:13.680 What I can do Today, I am sharing in the good news of I've 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:15.390 accomplished some good things today. 00:19:15.600 --> 00:19:18.720 There's more on my plate that will never go away. 00:19:19.560 --> 00:19:22.500 Um, but I, that's good enough for, for today. 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:25.140 And I can leave that for tomorrow or some other day. 00:19:25.590 --> 00:19:29.490 But in the end, I'm gonna have a little courage, right? 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:34.830 To tell my coworker or maybe my, uh, my executive peer. 00:19:35.250 --> 00:19:42.120 It says, Hey, um, let's all, uh, take the, the rest of the day off. 00:19:42.180 --> 00:19:44.070 Well, it's 3 51, right? 00:19:44.070 --> 00:19:46.170 That's what time it is right now, right? 00:19:46.650 --> 00:19:50.550 And let's go, uh, let's go share the good news, whatever that is. 00:19:50.670 --> 00:19:50.970 Right? 00:19:51.210 --> 00:19:54.870 It could be with, uh, each, by ourselves or with each other, right? 00:19:54.990 --> 00:19:58.800 Um, and that, so I was pulling up, uh, some of the things that we 00:19:58.800 --> 00:20:00.090 had talked about with the virtue. 00:20:00.270 --> 00:20:02.010 And so, um. 00:20:03.555 --> 00:20:04.095 Virtue. 00:20:04.125 --> 00:20:08.025 Yes, it takes courage, but this is the characteristics of virtue, 00:20:08.565 --> 00:20:08.645 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:20:08.805 --> 00:20:09.135 Paul Spencer: right? 00:20:09.585 --> 00:20:10.695 Consistency. 00:20:11.235 --> 00:20:11.565 Right? 00:20:11.955 --> 00:20:17.985 It means that we consistently respond virtuously, right? 00:20:18.045 --> 00:20:19.755 And what does that look like? 00:20:20.145 --> 00:20:24.435 It looks like with patience and perseverance, right? 00:20:24.495 --> 00:20:25.605 How beautiful is that? 00:20:25.815 --> 00:20:26.115 Right? 00:20:26.565 --> 00:20:29.295 That, uh, and I do it with ease. 00:20:30.435 --> 00:20:33.765 And that means, and I'm reading this right, doing what is good, 00:20:33.765 --> 00:20:39.255 is so deeply ingrained that virtuous deeds are automatic, 00:20:42.135 --> 00:20:44.115 right, virtuous deeds. 00:20:44.175 --> 00:20:47.505 And what's a virtuous deed that means it's the right action. 00:20:48.375 --> 00:20:48.705 Right. 00:20:49.005 --> 00:20:49.635 So I do. 00:20:49.665 --> 00:20:54.045 I do things consistently with ease and with ude. 00:20:54.045 --> 00:20:55.335 And what does ude mean? 00:20:55.635 --> 00:20:59.055 It means it's not enough to perform the right action, but 00:20:59.055 --> 00:21:01.065 it must be done right away. 00:21:02.145 --> 00:21:04.575 You may be able to do all these things and discern that. 00:21:04.575 --> 00:21:08.175 Yeah, this is great and this is the good news and let's celebrate it. 00:21:08.385 --> 00:21:09.345 I don't have time. 00:21:09.645 --> 00:21:10.635 Let's do it next month. 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:12.000 Right. 00:21:12.750 --> 00:21:13.080 Yeah. 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:18.300 And this other part of ude, when a difficult choice needs to be made, 00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:27.720 virtuous person does not endlessly delay, but is willing to act at the right time. 00:21:28.710 --> 00:21:35.280 And then this is the last one, consistency, ease, aptitude, and joy. 00:21:35.655 --> 00:21:36.045 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:21:36.690 --> 00:21:40.230 Paul Spencer: A virtuous person does not just do what is right. 00:21:41.655 --> 00:21:43.095 They do it joyfully, 00:21:43.305 --> 00:21:43.605 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:21:44.265 --> 00:21:44.595 Paul Spencer: right? 00:21:44.595 --> 00:21:52.515 And that, and that just by itself takes courage to do something that maybe you 00:21:52.515 --> 00:21:59.625 don't wanna do or that's uncomfortable, and to say, I'm gonna do this joyfully. 00:22:02.355 --> 00:22:07.155 Brandon Giella: I have read a lot of ethics books and you know, self-help 00:22:07.245 --> 00:22:11.175 books over the years, but when you shared The Art of Living by Ed Ri, 00:22:11.175 --> 00:22:13.005 we talked about it many moons ago. 00:22:14.355 --> 00:22:16.905 You described I think something like that at one point and I 00:22:16.905 --> 00:22:18.225 was like, man, I need that. 00:22:18.255 --> 00:22:18.855 I want that. 00:22:18.975 --> 00:22:22.395 And he describes that in the book that kind of, these are the habits, 00:22:22.575 --> 00:22:25.095 if you will, the kind of character traits of somebody who's virtuous. 00:22:25.635 --> 00:22:27.615 And I remember the, the one about ease. 00:22:28.125 --> 00:22:31.905 I had never heard anyone express that this is what a virtuous person looks like. 00:22:32.475 --> 00:22:36.585 But when he said something about ease, uh, it made me think, and he 00:22:36.585 --> 00:22:40.905 may even have this description, but, um, but of like, if your spouse comes 00:22:40.905 --> 00:22:42.735 and says, Hey, can you do the dishes? 00:22:42.735 --> 00:22:43.905 Or can you clean this thing? 00:22:44.055 --> 00:22:48.285 And instead of going like, ah, but I guess as a good dutiful spouse, 00:22:48.285 --> 00:22:49.455 I'll get up and I'll go do it. 00:22:49.815 --> 00:22:52.425 The virtuous person says, absolutely. 00:22:52.425 --> 00:22:54.915 I would, I would love to do that because I want to serve you. 00:22:54.915 --> 00:22:56.025 I wanna serve our family. 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:58.830 And I'm, I'm gonna get up right now and I'm gonna go do it 00:22:58.830 --> 00:23:00.060 not tomorrow, but right now. 00:23:00.270 --> 00:23:03.900 And it made me think like how, how do you develop that kind of sense 00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:05.790 where that is automatic, you know? 00:23:05.790 --> 00:23:08.340 And it's really tough I think, 'cause it's not just in the little things 00:23:08.340 --> 00:23:10.710 like that, but in the big things like you're saying like, I need to have 00:23:10.710 --> 00:23:12.180 a difficult conversation right now. 00:23:12.210 --> 00:23:13.110 How do I do that quickly? 00:23:13.345 --> 00:23:13.635 Yeah. 00:23:14.175 --> 00:23:22.725 Paul Spencer: And that, um, is, um, your, you, you truly believe 00:23:23.445 --> 00:23:24.885 what you just said, right? 00:23:25.065 --> 00:23:26.415 Meaning I would love. 00:23:27.390 --> 00:23:31.770 To do that, to help you, and I'll jump right on and do the dishes. 00:23:31.770 --> 00:23:32.250 Right now 00:23:32.550 --> 00:23:35.490 Brandon Giella: Because it brings you joy, you know? 00:23:35.670 --> 00:23:35.940 Paul Spencer: Yeah. 00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:37.260 And you do that joyfully. 00:23:37.500 --> 00:23:37.800 Yeah. 00:23:38.100 --> 00:23:39.600 And it's not faking it. 00:23:40.020 --> 00:23:41.130 It's not just saying it. 00:23:41.340 --> 00:23:41.640 Right. 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:43.920 You truly believe it and it's in you. 00:23:44.760 --> 00:23:46.470 And that can be felt by all of us. 00:23:46.470 --> 00:23:52.800 We all, we all as people can discern that at the, at the, at a snap. 00:23:53.010 --> 00:23:53.340 Right. 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.040 We can, we can discern whether that is true. 00:23:56.865 --> 00:24:00.975 Whether you believe it right or not, right. 00:24:01.335 --> 00:24:02.685 Um, so yeah. 00:24:02.820 --> 00:24:05.220 Brandon Giella: You, you brought up this quote before we started recording 00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:09.780 from Earl Nightingale about how, uh, it's called The Strangest Secret. 00:24:10.260 --> 00:24:14.250 And the strangest secret in the world is that you become what you think about. 00:24:14.745 --> 00:24:14.955 Paul Spencer: Mm-hmm. 00:24:15.540 --> 00:24:18.540 Brandon Giella: And so in the last few minutes that we have here, what 00:24:18.540 --> 00:24:20.760 is a take away from, from someone? 00:24:20.760 --> 00:24:23.490 How do we develop this habit of being? 00:24:24.990 --> 00:24:30.090 Of being, you know, in a person, the good news and doing things 00:24:30.090 --> 00:24:36.150 virtuously with this ease and this joy, and become the man in the arena. 00:24:36.690 --> 00:24:39.690 What is one thing you would recommend folks to take away? 00:24:40.110 --> 00:24:44.400 Paul Spencer: yeah, if you could read that last line of the, the Roosevelt quote. 00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:46.500 Just read that again if you still have it up. 00:24:46.590 --> 00:24:46.950 Brandon Giella: yeah. 00:24:46.950 --> 00:24:48.240 The last line is, uh. 00:24:49.185 --> 00:24:53.235 Who at the best knows in the end, the triumph of high achievement and who at 00:24:53.235 --> 00:24:57.825 the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly so that his place 00:24:57.825 --> 00:25:02.715 shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. 00:25:03.120 --> 00:25:06.270 Paul Spencer: Yeah, so I would say that it's. 00:25:07.080 --> 00:25:08.790 Who you are around, right? 00:25:09.150 --> 00:25:14.070 If you, if you show me your, your, uh, your five best friends, I show, 00:25:14.100 --> 00:25:16.530 I, I will know who you are, right? 00:25:16.620 --> 00:25:19.590 And to me, that's what, that reflects what that quote is, right? 00:25:19.830 --> 00:25:25.500 If I am, if I'm hanging around the lost timid souls, it's gonna be really hard 00:25:25.500 --> 00:25:29.790 for me to be the man in the arena and to be devoted and to, to have some of these 00:25:29.790 --> 00:25:31.680 qualities that we're talking about, right? 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:34.620 Just to have the courage to be able to speak up and say. 00:25:35.295 --> 00:25:35.925 Whatever. 00:25:36.045 --> 00:25:36.405 Right. 00:25:36.525 --> 00:25:42.165 Um, or to even share the good news, um, about what's going on in the 00:25:42.165 --> 00:25:47.475 city or what's going on in our lives or at the, at um, at our children's 00:25:47.475 --> 00:25:52.155 school or in our community, because those are the people who are going 00:25:52.155 --> 00:25:54.795 to poke holes in everything, right? 00:25:55.035 --> 00:25:55.335 Yeah. 00:25:56.655 --> 00:25:58.005 But what about this? 00:25:58.365 --> 00:25:58.755 Right. 00:25:58.785 --> 00:26:01.455 And they just have, again, that quote's perfect. 00:26:01.485 --> 00:26:02.745 'cause it's the criticism, 00:26:02.905 --> 00:26:02.985 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:26:03.015 --> 00:26:05.715 Paul Spencer: at the very, at the very beginning, it's the constantly 00:26:05.955 --> 00:26:07.935 the constant critic, right? 00:26:08.235 --> 00:26:13.335 So no matter how much good news you share, this person or the people 00:26:13.335 --> 00:26:19.155 that you're around, if you are around the timid souls will not share and 00:26:19.155 --> 00:26:20.715 rejoice in the good news with you. 00:26:21.855 --> 00:26:22.215 They will not. 00:26:23.085 --> 00:26:23.415 Right. 00:26:23.835 --> 00:26:29.955 And all that does is just, uh, give you a habit of either not 00:26:29.955 --> 00:26:34.395 expressing the good news, you keep it to yourself, or being convinced 00:26:34.395 --> 00:26:37.305 that there is no good news, right? 00:26:37.605 --> 00:26:41.865 So I would say the first thing is just to see who you're around, 00:26:42.190 --> 00:26:43.725 who you spend a lot of time with. 00:26:44.625 --> 00:26:46.785 Are they people that you can share the good news with? 00:26:47.505 --> 00:26:51.465 And maybe you may not be sure or, um. 00:26:51.885 --> 00:26:52.695 You think so? 00:26:52.755 --> 00:26:53.085 Right? 00:26:53.565 --> 00:26:55.875 If you're not sure, share the good news and you'll find out. 00:26:55.950 --> 00:26:56.280 Brandon Giella: Yep. 00:26:56.490 --> 00:26:57.330 Yeah, that's right. 00:26:57.885 --> 00:27:01.905 Paul Spencer: And if you can't feel you can't share the good news, um, then 00:27:01.905 --> 00:27:03.975 maybe it's a time to take some courage. 00:27:04.425 --> 00:27:09.045 It doesn't mean you have to disown anybody, but maybe you, um, uh, 00:27:09.255 --> 00:27:11.895 can improve your social network, 00:27:12.435 --> 00:27:12.675 Brandon Giella: Hmm. 00:27:13.755 --> 00:27:14.805 Paul Spencer: your social capital. 00:27:15.150 --> 00:27:17.580 Brandon Giella: You'll find those people that are toxically 00:27:17.580 --> 00:27:18.930 negative pretty quickly. 00:27:18.930 --> 00:27:22.170 Once you start trying to be positive, it'll, it'll become evident. 00:27:22.170 --> 00:27:24.690 But I would throw in that category too, of who you know is also like 00:27:24.690 --> 00:27:25.710 what you're reading, what you 00:27:25.845 --> 00:27:26.235 Paul Spencer: Yeah. 00:27:26.235 --> 00:27:26.955 In the social 00:27:27.390 --> 00:27:28.230 Brandon Giella: Yeah, exactly. 00:27:28.515 --> 00:27:29.085 Paul Spencer: Everything. 00:27:29.115 --> 00:27:31.215 Not, yeah, social media, news. 00:27:31.215 --> 00:27:33.960 Everything that you're consuming is, is your friend. 00:27:34.710 --> 00:27:35.040 Right. 00:27:35.190 --> 00:27:36.510 The one that you're hanging out with. 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:37.020 Yeah. 00:27:37.080 --> 00:27:40.020 And if you don't feel like you're, that's not you, and you have great, 00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:45.750 uh, relationships and you're not, uh, you have a, um, maybe a good discipline 00:27:45.780 --> 00:27:51.210 around what you consume and how often, uh, then share the good news. 00:27:51.210 --> 00:27:54.870 What's, what's keeping you from doing that and what's keeping you from growing? 00:27:55.410 --> 00:27:58.710 Um, uh, the people you share the good news with? 00:27:58.885 --> 00:27:59.175 Yeah. 00:27:59.295 --> 00:27:59.745 Brandon Giella: That's right. 00:27:59.805 --> 00:28:00.225 That's right. 00:28:01.365 --> 00:28:03.735 Well, Paul, thank you for bringing that to our attention. 00:28:03.915 --> 00:28:07.095 You are one of those people that creates that kind of positivity and 00:28:07.095 --> 00:28:10.605 that hope and that encouragement, which then leads of course to resilience. 00:28:10.665 --> 00:28:15.345 And so I would love listeners to, uh, please go to Second Nature 00:28:15.525 --> 00:28:18.795 Solutions and find our newsletter. 00:28:19.095 --> 00:28:23.505 Find Paul on LinkedIn, share some good news, reply back to the 00:28:23.505 --> 00:28:24.735 newsletter and share some good news. 00:28:24.735 --> 00:28:27.915 We'd love to talk more about that kind of thing on the show, and we'd love to 00:28:27.915 --> 00:28:30.285 hear what's going good in your world. 00:28:31.215 --> 00:28:33.315 So Paul, thank you and we'll see you next time. 00:28:33.810 --> 00:28:34.290 Paul Spencer: Awesome. 00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:35.310 Thanks Brandon.