WEBVTT 00:00:00.090 --> 00:00:04.859 Sage Tanguay: It definitely is like a safe shelter in the university community. 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:13.149 And I think for most people it just makes sense, like when they hear we're coming in from WTJU and that's where we're kind of located. 00:00:13.520 --> 00:00:20.500 They're like, oh yeah, of course the university radio station is also the center of podcasting at the university. 00:00:24.650 --> 00:00:30.479 Neil McPhedran: Welcome to another episode of Continuing Studies, a podcast for higher education podcasters to learn and get inspired. 00:00:30.830 --> 00:00:35.790 I'm Neil McPhedran, founder of Podium Podcasts, an agency for higher education podcasters. 00:00:36.180 --> 00:00:40.780 Jennifer-Lee: And I'm Jennifer-Lee, founder of Jpod Creations, podcasting is broadcasting. 00:00:41.080 --> 00:00:42.810 We want you to know you're not alone. 00:00:42.810 --> 00:00:45.779 In fact, there are many of you higher ed podcasters out there. 00:00:46.009 --> 00:00:47.870 And we can all learn from each other. 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:51.860 Please also join our community at HigherEdPods.com. 00:00:52.069 --> 00:00:53.959 Neil McPhedran: Jen, we've got part two. 00:00:54.370 --> 00:00:57.989 Jennifer-Lee: Part two, because we had such a great conversation the first time. 00:00:58.540 --> 00:00:59.019 Neil McPhedran: That's right. 00:00:59.089 --> 00:01:08.600 So part two, speaking with Mary Garner, MG McGehee and Sage Tanguay from the University of Virginia. 00:01:09.205 --> 00:01:14.375 We talked last time about, we dug in further last time about WTJU 91. 00:01:14.375 --> 00:01:25.795 1 FM, the college radio station, and this time we're going to dig into the latter half of our conversation we had, which was about the Virginia Audio Collective. 00:01:26.275 --> 00:01:35.184 Which is a super dynamic podcast network that they have built over the last few years at the University of Virginia. 00:01:35.354 --> 00:01:42.584 Jennifer-Lee: Yeah, I like the fact that they really bring this community together and the people that are interested in creating a podcast will come to them. 00:01:42.965 --> 00:01:47.874 And it's not like they're vetting them, but they really give them a realistic picture of what it takes. 00:01:47.874 --> 00:01:54.035 And they also really hone into everybody's topic to make sure that is a full length podcast. 00:01:54.105 --> 00:02:00.945 And another thing that I like, they really figure out if they are going to be a forever podcast or if they're going to be a limited series. 00:02:01.035 --> 00:02:07.194 Because as we all know, some topics are just a limited series does not mean that that podcast isn't as strong. 00:02:07.514 --> 00:02:10.810 It just means that's the time that is needed to tell that story. 00:02:11.310 --> 00:02:11.710 Neil McPhedran: Yeah. 00:02:11.820 --> 00:02:18.670 I like how they break that out actually on their website, the network website they've created, which is excellent. 00:02:18.710 --> 00:02:22.210 We're going to put that in the show notes, a link to it, it's a really good reference. 00:02:22.239 --> 00:02:31.040 But we've spoken with a couple of podcast network folks over the last year and a half. 00:02:31.110 --> 00:02:34.935 Actually we have a really good conversation coming up in an upcoming episode, 00:02:35.215 --> 00:02:36.345 Jennifer-Lee: With another network. 00:02:36.455 --> 00:02:37.035 Neil McPhedran: That's right. 00:02:37.055 --> 00:02:42.684 The University of Texas podcast network, the Texas podcast network. 00:02:43.295 --> 00:02:51.514 But one of the things that really struck me is what they've created is almost a, if you build it, they will come. 00:02:51.985 --> 00:03:05.035 I have had a conversation recently with another university podcast that we work with and there's momentum to create a podcast network for the university. 00:03:05.645 --> 00:03:13.375 There is just a stumbling block of trying to figure out, like, who is there out there, like, is there enough interest? 00:03:13.434 --> 00:03:20.855 This kind of just shows that creating the support network, it all starts coming out of the woodwork. 00:03:21.115 --> 00:03:30.625 And the education and the tools, and obviously the support from the radio station, and the equipment there, is just fantastic. 00:03:30.625 --> 00:03:37.115 I think there's a lot to learn here for university podcasters thinking about creating a network. 00:03:37.145 --> 00:03:45.425 And just get going, just do it, just get started because there's a lot going on in the space and there's a lot of interest in the space. 00:03:45.705 --> 00:03:58.354 Jennifer-Lee: I think there's a lot to learn just about networks in general that we've only skimmed the surface on because we always talk about this with the Podcast 2.0 people, and the other people in the podcasting community, that it's hard to find podcasts. 00:03:58.375 --> 00:04:01.225 But now with these networks, it is making that community. 00:04:01.285 --> 00:04:04.855 So if you are interested in a certain subject, you're able to find podcasts easier. 00:04:04.865 --> 00:04:07.454 So we're just skimming the surface. 00:04:07.855 --> 00:04:10.565 You know, podcasting is still young, but let's get into it. 00:04:13.090 --> 00:04:17.470 Neil McPhedran: I'd really like to dig into the Virginia Audio Collective. 00:04:17.540 --> 00:04:19.310 It is incredibly vibrant. 00:04:19.340 --> 00:04:21.459 Your website is excellent. 00:04:22.010 --> 00:04:26.200 I love how you've got all the podcasts. 00:04:26.685 --> 00:04:28.445 And you can see them all there. 00:04:28.455 --> 00:04:36.525 And then you delineate from limited series podcasts, which I think is a really smart idea, browse by topic archives and so on and so forth. 00:04:36.585 --> 00:04:41.805 This seems like a very vibrant podcast community. 00:04:42.364 --> 00:04:50.985 Do you credit the association with, and the access to the equipment, and so on and so forth, with WTJU, that, the radio station? 00:04:51.125 --> 00:05:08.414 I was just talking to someone else at another university and they're struggling, they're feeling like there's nothing, like they're seeing these networks that are proliferating and cropping up on other campuses and in other institutions and they're just sort of feeling it's just not happening there. 00:05:08.414 --> 00:05:13.184 Like, so just how did this thing turn into such a vibrant community of podcasts? 00:05:13.475 --> 00:05:27.374 Sage Tanguay: I definitely think having it hosted or like, homed at a community radio station that kind of has its own thing going on all the time anyway, has been really helpful. 00:05:27.594 --> 00:05:33.195 I wasn't here for the inception of the very beginning of the podcast collective. 00:05:33.735 --> 00:05:39.175 But it definitely is like a safe shelter in the university community. 00:05:39.515 --> 00:05:41.814 And I think for most people, it just makes sense. 00:05:41.814 --> 00:05:54.820 Like when they hear we're coming in from WTJU and that's where we're kind of located, they're like, oh yeah, of course the university radio station is also the, the center of podcasting at the university. 00:05:55.219 --> 00:06:05.640 There's a lot of people who don't even realize the Virginia Audio Collective exists, who when they think about producing a podcast, reach out to WTJU. 00:06:06.020 --> 00:06:14.530 You know, we're always trying to increase kind of that notoriety or infamy on our campus of people just immediately thinking about us. 00:06:14.870 --> 00:06:21.130 But I would say people already had a, like, they are naturally attracted to a radio station to do this type of work. 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:22.830 Mary Garner McGehee: I think we make it really easy. 00:06:23.010 --> 00:06:31.929 I think that, like, a lot of people at the university have, I think a lot of people at any university, have interesting podcast ideas. 00:06:31.950 --> 00:06:32.789 It just makes sense. 00:06:32.789 --> 00:06:35.450 There's tons of smart people doing cool research, you know? 00:06:35.979 --> 00:06:39.060 Um, it's a new medium, lots of people are interested in it. 00:06:39.370 --> 00:06:47.989 And I think, you know, for most people who are doing this on their own, like, you have a podcast idea and then you have a million questions. 00:06:47.999 --> 00:06:54.590 You have technical questions, you have storyboarding questions, you don't know how the podcast gets put out in the world, you don't know anything about editing. 00:06:55.120 --> 00:07:00.590 And so, you know, it takes a lot of research to figure all that stuff out for yourself. 00:07:00.930 --> 00:07:06.600 And, you know, usually once people get, they have an idea, their next step is they'll reach out to us, right? 00:07:06.670 --> 00:07:16.230 And instead of spending hours and hours and hours figuring out each one of those things on their own, like, we have like an hour and a half long meeting and we're like, we talk through all that stuff. 00:07:16.230 --> 00:07:17.020 We give them answers. 00:07:17.020 --> 00:07:18.080 We're like, here's a resource. 00:07:18.090 --> 00:07:25.840 So I think that, you know, again, like I said, on any college campus, I think there's probably a ton of great podcast ideas. 00:07:26.280 --> 00:07:40.224 And, I think that having a community, not just the two of us, but the other people that do this at UVA, you know, we have quarterly luncheons that another colleague really helps us put together. 00:07:40.235 --> 00:07:41.985 I think that makes a huge difference. 00:07:43.215 --> 00:07:43.515 Sage Tanguay: Yeah. 00:07:43.515 --> 00:07:52.895 It's also something else I think that we don't think about a lot, but so we have obviously a lot of physical resources of technology and the space to record in. 00:07:53.245 --> 00:07:56.164 And we have a lot of documentation of here's how you do this. 00:07:56.165 --> 00:07:58.915 And here's a lot of step by step processes. 00:07:59.225 --> 00:08:10.605 But another thing that I definitely do, and I've heard you do it in consultation meetings, is I think we do a lot to take the pressure off of people who are interested in starting something. 00:08:10.855 --> 00:08:20.674 A lot of people come with this idea that this is going to be their, like, main driving creative focus for every week until forever. 00:08:21.064 --> 00:08:29.465 And I'm in the practice of really being pretty direct about, like, what do you actually have time to do? 00:08:29.655 --> 00:08:31.534 What do you want this to be? 00:08:31.695 --> 00:08:34.215 Who do you actually want to have listen to this? 00:08:34.395 --> 00:08:38.814 Like, are you content if it's just your mom listening and saying, hey, I love this. 00:08:38.814 --> 00:08:39.454 Great job. 00:08:39.465 --> 00:08:44.555 Or just your students who tune in because you've assigned it as a class item, you know? 00:08:45.020 --> 00:08:50.510 Understanding that scope and then saying, listen, it's okay for limited series to exist. 00:08:50.520 --> 00:08:59.319 Not every podcast has to be a weekly podcast that releases at the same exact time for the rest of existence. 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:03.340 Like, we should really be conscious of how much energy we have. 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:12.140 And I'm always just, I generally encourage people to make their podcasts shorter, less frequently, and simpler in format. 00:09:12.150 --> 00:09:18.204 And I think that helps get people to actually create them and do it successfully. 00:09:18.444 --> 00:09:19.265 Mary Garner McGehee: A hundred percent. 00:09:19.385 --> 00:09:22.735 Jennifer-Lee: When you say less frequently, what would be the time that you advise? 00:09:22.764 --> 00:09:35.564 Because there's such a debate that some people say, you know, always do it every two weeks, do a season if you can't commit, and then say you're going on a break, but don't do once a month because you're not going to get the growth. 00:09:35.824 --> 00:09:40.594 Mary Garner McGehee: We ask folks to make three episodes before they release their first one. 00:09:41.115 --> 00:09:46.505 So with new podcasts, we say, like, let's come up with a plan to make three episodes. 00:09:46.535 --> 00:09:53.415 And then once you've made three episodes and you know how much time it took you, we can put together a production calendar that's like sustainable. 00:09:54.385 --> 00:09:54.725 Sage Tanguay: Yeah. 00:09:54.755 --> 00:10:08.595 The other thing I'll say is like, you know, since we are like housed in this non commercial community radio station, we're not the most like market driven people when it comes to creation. 00:10:08.805 --> 00:10:14.915 The other thing I think about is like maybe part of this is like a lot of our podcasts are evergreen. 00:10:15.195 --> 00:10:16.435 They're not super timely. 00:10:16.435 --> 00:10:17.555 They're not super prescient. 00:10:17.795 --> 00:10:34.730 And in a lot of cases, in my opinion, as a producer, sometimes it's more important for the people who create with us to have a tangible deliverable that they can point to for like the next ten years of like, oh, I created this podcast. 00:10:34.739 --> 00:10:35.650 This is what I'm about. 00:10:35.670 --> 00:10:39.690 Or like, this is this big thing I did a few years ago. 00:10:39.690 --> 00:10:41.330 I want to do something again like this. 00:10:41.350 --> 00:10:42.680 Please give me grant funding. 00:10:43.060 --> 00:10:46.140 That is like a huge part of what I think about. 00:10:46.590 --> 00:10:56.210 And so for us, it's, I don't think a lot about, but I do agree that like every two weeks is good and once a month is definitely hard to like pull people in. 00:10:56.410 --> 00:10:58.940 I'm a big fan of limited series. 00:10:59.180 --> 00:11:05.665 Mary Garner McGehee: I'll also say we are very serious about audience. 00:11:05.675 --> 00:11:12.005 So when people come in to meet with us, like we spend a lot of time working with them on what is your target audience? 00:11:12.005 --> 00:11:13.345 Who are you trying to reach? 00:11:13.365 --> 00:11:15.704 Is your target audience specific enough? 00:11:16.415 --> 00:11:18.924 Usually it's not very specific, right? 00:11:18.924 --> 00:11:28.075 So really trying to get people to think about who are you trying to reach with these ideas and then letting that drive the release calendar. 00:11:28.355 --> 00:11:34.175 Neil McPhedran: Wow, there's some, you guys have some really good stuff in there and super, super impressive. 00:11:34.225 --> 00:11:39.034 If this was a video podcast, you would see me just nodding my head along the whole time over the last ten minutes. 00:11:40.144 --> 00:11:42.084 There's some really good insights there. 00:11:42.694 --> 00:11:47.995 And when you say folks approaching you because they want to start a podcast, it's not just students, right? 00:11:47.995 --> 00:11:53.714 When I look through the list of podcasts in the collective, there's people from admissions in there. 00:11:53.724 --> 00:11:55.635 It looks like there's profs in there. 00:11:55.665 --> 00:11:57.805 There's academic advisors in there. 00:11:57.814 --> 00:12:04.340 So really, this is, you know, anywhere from within the university community. 00:12:04.819 --> 00:12:05.890 Mary Garner McGehee: And outside. 00:12:06.010 --> 00:12:06.950 And community members. 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:15.939 Sage Tanguay: Yeah, we just have people from Charlottesville as well who come with an idea and they somehow find out that like this is a good place to come for some resources. 00:12:15.939 --> 00:12:21.794 And yeah, so that's, it is a really wide swath of people who come to produce here. 00:12:21.795 --> 00:12:30.455 Neil McPhedran: So back to my question about how to get started or whatever, it really is like once you build it, they will come. 00:12:30.465 --> 00:12:32.724 This is really sort of what you're describing here. 00:12:32.735 --> 00:12:41.335 You've built this incredible, you know, you've got the audio infrastructure, the recording infrastructure, the mics and so on and so forth that you started with. 00:12:41.865 --> 00:12:50.675 And then you've built on the processes and working through how to get started and the consulting that you guys do. 00:12:51.125 --> 00:12:54.315 It just feels like people have an interest and they know where to go now. 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:59.389 Versus back to my example I gave of, who I just talked to a couple of days ago. 00:12:59.819 --> 00:13:00.800 No one knows where to go. 00:13:00.800 --> 00:13:03.699 So there probably is on that campus, which is a big university. 00:13:03.699 --> 00:13:11.160 There probably is a lot of pockets of individuals and people and faculties that are wanting to, but no one knows where to go. 00:13:11.329 --> 00:13:14.229 And you've created that central place. 00:13:14.689 --> 00:13:23.685 Sage Tanguay: Yeah, and I think it's also important for us to sort of acknowledge, like, here at UVA, there are other places that you can go and record a, a podcast. 00:13:23.714 --> 00:13:34.245 I actually was just meeting with some of the people who have, like, designed these, like, kind of one off, you know, recording booths that are in academic buildings or in the library system. 00:13:34.615 --> 00:13:43.584 And we're just now talking to each other, like, we should really kind of collaborate and make sure that people know where to go for the right thing. 00:13:43.594 --> 00:13:49.895 Because like, one of the facilities has like massive studios that are really good if you have like five people on your podcast. 00:13:50.385 --> 00:13:54.984 Some of the studios are like, if you know what you're doing and you just need a place to record, that's the place to go. 00:13:55.234 --> 00:14:02.015 We're sort of like, if you have artistic questions and questions about distribution, we can post all of that. 00:14:02.354 --> 00:14:05.905 And we can also do training and provide some technology as well. 00:14:05.905 --> 00:14:10.175 But there's so like, we're still building those relationships here at UVA. 00:14:10.484 --> 00:14:27.295 And then the other thing I will say that definitely led to our success is I think the leadership at WTJU has an approach to collaborating with the rest of the university that's extremely mission driven for connecting community and university resources and making sure everyone has access. 00:14:27.725 --> 00:14:44.760 And so, there's very few projects that we would turn down coming from inside the university or outside from the Charlottesville community in terms of like, hey, we need someone to run sound for this or hey, I've been thinking about doing an event. 00:14:44.760 --> 00:14:47.299 Can we, you know, can you help us with that? 00:14:47.519 --> 00:15:10.405 There's like a lot of multidisciplines and just interdisciplinary work that the station has done within both Charlottesville and the university that I think has led to very deep relationships with different departments and different organizations, that then have kind of trickled down into this like, oh yeah, people come to us for podcasting. 00:15:10.505 --> 00:15:16.045 Mary Garner McGehee: I think a lot of universities will build a podcast studio or have like equipment that people can borrow. 00:15:16.385 --> 00:15:17.965 But I tell people this all the time. 00:15:17.965 --> 00:15:19.685 The technical part isn't the hard part. 00:15:19.745 --> 00:15:21.105 It's all the other questions. 00:15:21.205 --> 00:15:22.085 Neil McPhedran: I totally agree. 00:15:22.095 --> 00:15:26.545 It's everything that you've, it's, that's almost like sort of the table stakes, you've got it there. 00:15:26.545 --> 00:15:47.109 But everything else you described your intake system and your documentation you've created, all the questions you're asking, the way that you are approaching it, the, just even the lens that you've applied to it of evergreen limited series podcasts and so on and so forth, I just think is, just is just tremendous and. 00:15:47.109 --> 00:15:48.670 Jennifer-Lee: You guys are so ahead. 00:15:48.680 --> 00:15:51.700 I feel like I could go into many conversations with you. 00:15:51.700 --> 00:15:56.060 Like limited series is something that I think is not utilized enough. 00:15:56.560 --> 00:15:59.530 And I think it's because it's hard because we don't say it on these platforms. 00:15:59.530 --> 00:16:00.430 We don't say it on Spotify. 00:16:00.460 --> 00:16:01.470 We don't say it on iTunes. 00:16:01.470 --> 00:16:02.540 There's no category yet. 00:16:02.830 --> 00:16:09.340 So when people go, and I get people to research, especially when I start with a client, is like research what is out there already. 00:16:09.660 --> 00:16:11.720 And you go, and there's so many dead podcasts out there. 00:16:11.729 --> 00:16:15.430 Some that have only gotten to three episodes and they didn't move forward. 00:16:15.810 --> 00:16:21.710 Or one episode, but I say, why not have a limited series category? 00:16:21.930 --> 00:16:24.840 Because some podcasts don't need to go on forever. 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.489 And I think that's another thing that people are scared of. 00:16:27.490 --> 00:16:35.310 They think because that's the way it's marketed right now is, if I have a podcast, oh no, this is like, forever until I decide to call it quit. 00:16:35.460 --> 00:16:36.960 And no limited series. 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:41.250 If you only have enough to say in going back, you can give a studio, but you gotta give other tools. 00:16:41.340 --> 00:16:45.380 You need to have a way to get into your break and a way to get out of your break. 00:16:45.380 --> 00:16:47.870 And you know that from radio, and it's the same thing for podcasting. 00:16:47.870 --> 00:16:54.590 So if your limited series only allows you to go five episodes or eight episodes, and it's tied up in a neat little package. 00:16:54.980 --> 00:16:55.740 Why break it? 00:16:56.050 --> 00:16:56.890 People are scared of that. 00:16:56.900 --> 00:17:05.250 Mary Garner McGehee: Well, I think the trade off for limited series is that it's hard to build an audience around something when you're not putting it out consistently. 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:25.939 But I'll say we have kind of a fun little success story on that, which is in the fall of 2019, we partnered with the department at UVA, the drama department, and we had some like, UVA arts funding and they produced an original audio drama that is totally evergreen, like doesn't have anything time sensitive in it. 00:17:26.469 --> 00:17:30.589 And you know, it got some listens when it first came out and we were like promoting it. 00:17:30.889 --> 00:17:36.790 And then last year I was like going through and like doing some data updating on all of our podcasts. 00:17:36.790 --> 00:17:45.455 And I was like, oh my gosh, this podcast had gotten like tons of listens like four years after it came out. 00:17:45.495 --> 00:17:50.775 I think it had gotten on like a Spotify playlist recommendation or something like that. 00:17:51.295 --> 00:17:59.395 And so when you create stuff like that, that's limited run and evergreen, like, yeah, you don't have as much time to do that official launch. 00:17:59.834 --> 00:18:07.925 But it can live online forever, you know, like it has plenty of time to, to find its audience. 00:18:08.254 --> 00:18:10.634 Sage Tanguay: Yeah, the other, I have two things. 00:18:10.664 --> 00:18:18.305 One is just like a background reasoning for why I'm a big fan of limited release. 00:18:18.435 --> 00:18:36.365 When you work in a community news environment where you are producing a whatever number of stories per week, and usually you have it down to like, well, at this time on Wednesday, I need to send Judy my copy of, of this so it goes to air, right? 00:18:36.595 --> 00:18:39.984 Like, that is a very specific type of work. 00:18:40.044 --> 00:18:44.535 And it's just like any other type of work that you have to just kind of keep going at. 00:18:44.765 --> 00:18:46.835 You're constantly contacting people to interview. 00:18:46.835 --> 00:18:47.905 You're constantly going. 00:18:48.334 --> 00:18:50.324 And that's, it's a job, like, right? 00:18:50.384 --> 00:18:53.205 At a, at a station, that's a job, right? 00:18:53.564 --> 00:18:56.814 Most people are not making their podcasts their job. 00:18:57.004 --> 00:19:03.649 And so to approach it the same way that we do any other, like, weekly daily news is like, ridiculous to me. 00:19:03.649 --> 00:19:08.379 It's really, that's a lot to ask of yourself as a, as someone trying to host something. 00:19:09.500 --> 00:19:14.899 Mary Garner McGehee: Especially if you're an academic and you're already doing so much other creative, generative work. 00:19:14.919 --> 00:19:31.580 Sage Tanguay: And the other thing, and this is something that we, what our presentation at, uh, the Humanities Podcasting Network was about, which was just that academia is a great habitat for limited series, long form narrative podcasting, right? 00:19:31.580 --> 00:19:44.590 So, heavily researched, sound rich, multi voiced interviews that are woven into a story, really hard to support that type of production outside in the market. 00:19:44.620 --> 00:19:47.345 It exists, but it's always kind of a risk. 00:19:47.615 --> 00:19:52.195 But at a university, right, there's already this semester system. 00:19:52.215 --> 00:19:53.565 There's a lot of turnover. 00:19:53.565 --> 00:19:56.914 So doing anything for years and years and years is hard. 00:19:57.294 --> 00:20:00.185 There's grants to apply to every season. 00:20:00.455 --> 00:20:06.785 There's limited runs of classes that can help feed into what you're producing in a show. 00:20:07.085 --> 00:20:13.735 All of those things make doing like, limited run, documentary style podcast really possible at a university. 00:20:13.745 --> 00:20:20.124 It's still a massive lift, but it's just a massive lift for a semester or two rather than forever, you know. 00:20:21.061 --> 00:20:21.591 Neil McPhedran: That's great. 00:20:21.741 --> 00:20:24.581 I like those, totally agree with those two points. 00:20:25.186 --> 00:20:27.586 Well, I feel like we could chat forever. 00:20:27.656 --> 00:20:33.746 We've taken up a lot of your time and there's just a ton of insights here that you've both shared with us. 00:20:33.756 --> 00:20:35.376 Really, really appreciate it. 00:20:35.376 --> 00:20:46.726 And I feel like taking the conversation back to the beginning where we were talking about community radio and how it really is about the community and it's a voice for the whole community. 00:20:47.091 --> 00:20:53.491 Really, that's what you've created with your podcast collective, with your audio collective, it's for the community. 00:20:53.491 --> 00:20:58.361 And the fact that you're leaning into the heritage of that community to build it out. 00:20:58.361 --> 00:21:00.941 And as you said, from the leadership down, that's excellent. 00:21:00.941 --> 00:21:03.841 And that's obviously tremendous approach. 00:21:03.841 --> 00:21:10.751 And just by looking at our conversation, your website and all of those incredible podcasts on there, congratulate you guys. 00:21:10.791 --> 00:21:11.891 You're really onto something. 00:21:12.141 --> 00:21:17.351 We'll be sure to put the links to everything in our show notes, to the collective, to the radio station. 00:21:17.731 --> 00:21:26.061 We didn't get to it, but that Humanities Podcast Network and the symposium that you guys spoke at, we didn't even get to that, but we'll put a link to that in there too. 00:21:26.131 --> 00:21:27.381 There's just so much there. 00:21:27.531 --> 00:21:33.201 Mary Garner McGehee: I feel like we should also give some credit to our general manager who's been here, his name is Nathan Warren. 00:21:33.201 --> 00:21:34.891 He's been here for about fifteen years. 00:21:35.441 --> 00:21:42.781 The, the podcast collective was really his idea and he kind of got it started and he's been willing to invest in it too. 00:21:42.811 --> 00:21:51.991 It's scary and it's hard when you work at a small, nimble, non commercial media organization to take some risks like investing in these sorts of things. 00:21:52.001 --> 00:21:53.901 So I think that's a lesson too. 00:21:53.991 --> 00:21:54.711 Neil McPhedran: It's a really good point. 00:21:54.711 --> 00:21:55.251 Sage Tanguay: Yeah. 00:21:55.251 --> 00:22:07.371 The last thing I'll say too is that, because of Nathan's connections with other people at the university and ability to sort of network and, and say yes to wild ideas that have never happened before. 00:22:07.651 --> 00:22:11.611 I'm fully funded by a residential college here at UVA. 00:22:11.621 --> 00:22:22.841 And so I'm actually like, I do work for the, the audio collective, but a lot of my focused work is working with this living and learning community in what we call the Community Media Initiative. 00:22:23.061 --> 00:22:27.291 And MG is partially funded by another program at UVA. 00:22:27.291 --> 00:22:29.281 Mary Garner McGehee: The Sound Justice Lab at UVA. 00:22:29.311 --> 00:22:30.901 This was really fun. 00:22:31.986 --> 00:22:34.076 Jennifer-Lee: Well, I'm going to steal your line. 00:22:34.106 --> 00:22:36.616 That was another great episode, Neil. 00:22:37.036 --> 00:22:37.556 Neil McPhedran: Yes. 00:22:37.896 --> 00:22:39.396 I have said that before, I think. 00:22:39.406 --> 00:22:39.846 You're right. 00:22:39.896 --> 00:22:44.786 No, that was, that was a wonderful conversation and we definitely learned a lot from MG and Sage. 00:22:44.836 --> 00:22:53.156 And I'm looking forward to our next episode where we dig into another podcast network. 00:22:53.386 --> 00:22:55.746 Jennifer-Lee: They're becoming all the rage and I love it. 00:22:56.186 --> 00:23:02.731 They are really starting to be really cool, creating these amazing communities that connect everybody. 00:23:02.741 --> 00:23:13.891 Because, you know, not to sound like a broken record, but what we hear from a lot of people is that when they're in these large campuses, they don't realize that there are other podcasts there. 00:23:14.231 --> 00:23:16.541 So it's a way to keep the community connection. 00:23:16.791 --> 00:23:22.391 And in our next episode, not to give away, but this particular university we're talking to is massive. 00:23:22.401 --> 00:23:27.331 There's like a North, a South, a West and East, and it's like blocks and blocks and blocks. 00:23:27.331 --> 00:23:33.876 And so they said, it's a way to keep everyone engaged because you would never be able to walk across campus, take you a while. 00:23:34.276 --> 00:23:34.936 Neil McPhedran: Yeah, right. 00:23:35.356 --> 00:23:45.366 So if anyone out there listening, if you have other thoughts or you want to point us to other university podcast networks, please reach out and let us know. 00:23:46.106 --> 00:23:46.946 Well, I think that's a wrap. 00:23:46.956 --> 00:23:48.376 Read us out there, Jen, please. 00:23:48.691 --> 00:23:53.221 Jennifer-Lee: Thank you for tuning into the Continuing Studies Podcast, a podcast for higher education podcasters. 00:23:53.601 --> 00:23:56.761 We hope you found this episode informative and inspiring. 00:23:56.801 --> 00:24:03.711 If you enjoyed the show, we encourage you to follow and subscribe to our podcast on your preferred platform so you'll never miss an episode. 00:24:03.981 --> 00:24:12.376 But if you found this episode particularly valuable, Please consider sharing it with your friends and colleagues who also might be interested in higher education podcast. 00:24:12.766 --> 00:24:22.376 We also invite you to join your peers on HigherEdPods.com where you can connect with other podcasters in higher education and learn more from others in the field. 00:24:22.386 --> 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