Rachel Casey (00:00:06): Welcome to Sober Banter. Rachel Casey (00:00:08): We have Jane and Sarah from Medium Curious here to join us. Rachel Casey (00:00:14): And since Colin's at work, we are doing a girls banter. Rachel Casey (00:00:18): So this is going to be a super fun episode. Rachel Casey (00:00:20): And all moms. Rachel Casey (00:00:22): I really love that aspect, Rachel Casey (00:00:23): but I'll go ahead and let you introduce yourselves because you can probably say a Rachel Casey (00:00:27): little bit more than I can other than I know Jane's sobriety date, Rachel Casey (00:00:32): 4-8-0-8, Rachel Casey (00:00:32): which I'm so jealous. Rachel Casey (00:00:36): I want an eight so badly. Rachel Casey (00:00:38): And Sarah is one January 15th of 22. Rachel Casey (00:00:43): So just like a two or less behind Colin and I. Yeah, two months, right? Rachel Casey (00:00:49): That's crazy. Rachel Casey (00:00:50): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:00:50): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:00:51): What a time, what a time to be sober. Rachel Casey (00:00:53): So how, how are y'all let's hear how's your day and what's going on right now? Rachel Casey (00:01:03): You want to start Jane? Jane Morgan (00:01:07): It's a good day. Jane Morgan (00:01:07): I'm sitting in a car, Jane Morgan (00:01:09): which is kind of a nice recording booth actually, Jane Morgan (00:01:11): because I, Jane Morgan (00:01:12): um, Jane Morgan (00:01:13): we've discovered that our stairs were rotting and have termites. Jane Morgan (00:01:19): Oh, feel the joy. Jane Morgan (00:01:21): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:01:23): So, so I'm in the car, but I'm really happy to be here. Jane Morgan (00:01:27): Thanks for having us, Rachel. Jane Morgan (00:01:28): This is so fun. Jane Morgan (00:01:29): It's really fun. Rachel Casey (00:01:31): That we can like podcast from wherever and yeah. Rachel Casey (00:01:33): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:01:34): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:01:36): I think if I would have been drinking, that would have been like a meltdown. Rachel Casey (00:01:40): We have termites. Rachel Casey (00:01:41): The day's done. Rachel Casey (00:01:42): We're just, I probably would have canceled everything and then just drank. Rachel Casey (00:01:48): And, you know, until I couldn't remember we had termites and that would have been that. Rachel Casey (00:01:52): And it's like, oh yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:01:54): They still would have been there. Rachel Casey (00:01:55): And they still would have been there. Rachel Casey (00:01:56): And they wouldn't have gone anywhere. Rachel Casey (00:01:58): That's the worst part. Rachel Casey (00:02:00): Well, I'm glad that you're here despite the termites. Rachel Casey (00:02:02): I'm sorry. Rachel Casey (00:02:02): Hopefully. Rachel Casey (00:02:04): We just had a water heater blow up or start leaking everywhere. Sarah Rathke (00:02:08): Rachel, that happened to me last week. Sarah Rathke (00:02:11): Seriously? Sarah Rathke (00:02:11): New water heater. Sarah Rathke (00:02:12): Yes. Sarah Rathke (00:02:14): Yep. Sarah Rathke (00:02:15): Last Sunday, new water heater. Rachel Casey (00:02:18): My husband's asking me all these details. Rachel Casey (00:02:19): I'm like, I don't care. Rachel Casey (00:02:22): We have hot water. Jane Morgan (00:02:23): That's about all I care. Jane Morgan (00:02:24): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:02:25): So... Jane Morgan (00:02:26): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:02:27): Wow. Jane Morgan (00:02:28): You guys are like twinning with your sober dates and your hot water heaters. Rachel Casey (00:02:34): So what I was going to say about the 4-8, Rachel Casey (00:02:38): I, Rachel Casey (00:02:39): no kidding, Rachel Casey (00:02:40): asked my sponsor in early sobriety if I could relapse on the 8th so I could have Rachel Casey (00:02:46): the 8th as a sobriety date. Rachel Casey (00:02:49): And she was like, you're kidding, right? Rachel Casey (00:02:51): And I was like, yeah. Rachel Casey (00:02:53): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:02:55): I'm totally kidding. Rachel Casey (00:02:56): And I mean, Rachel Casey (00:02:58): that does sound like a very naive question, Rachel Casey (00:03:00): but in my brain, Rachel Casey (00:03:01): I mean, Rachel Casey (00:03:02): I got married on 3-8 because three and eights are my favorite number. Rachel Casey (00:03:07): And coincidentally, my son was born 8-3. Rachel Casey (00:03:09): And that was not like planned or induced. Rachel Casey (00:03:12): It just came that way. Rachel Casey (00:03:16): And so in my emails and stuff have all been 8-8-3-3. Rachel Casey (00:03:19): And so you talk about like the kind of medium I always... Rachel Casey (00:03:26): I go between like coincidence and like feeling that it's more. Sarah Rathke (00:03:34): Well, so, yeah, so I'm Sarah and we're mediums. Sarah Rathke (00:03:40): And anybody out there doesn't know what a medium is. Sarah Rathke (00:03:42): A medium is somebody who is the go-between, Sarah Rathke (00:03:47): translates subtle energy from somebody who has crossed into the spirit world for Sarah Rathke (00:03:53): someone who is still embodied. Sarah Rathke (00:03:55): And... Sarah Rathke (00:03:58): I feel like being sober, I became sober because I was a medium. Sarah Rathke (00:04:03): And I feel like, Jane, you became a medium because you were sober. Sarah Rathke (00:04:08): Is that right? Jane Morgan (00:04:11): Well, I call it one of the gifts of sobriety. Jane Morgan (00:04:14): Yeah, for sure. Jane Morgan (00:04:16): I feel like I would not have become a medium had I not already been sober. Jane Morgan (00:04:21): And it was a couple of years. Jane Morgan (00:04:22): I had about four years sober before the mediumship really came online. Jane Morgan (00:04:26): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:04:27): I do correlate them very closely though. Jane Morgan (00:04:29): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:04:31): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:04:31): That's interesting. Rachel Casey (00:04:32): Like I feel I, Rachel Casey (00:04:35): so what would you say is kind of, Rachel Casey (00:04:39): I feel like I have really, Rachel Casey (00:04:40): really good intuition and I've been told that by the two sponsors I've had. Rachel Casey (00:04:44): And even to the point, like I remember before getting sober, it did scare me. Rachel Casey (00:04:49): There were times that it's like. Rachel Casey (00:04:52): almost predicting the future, Rachel Casey (00:04:54): but it's like a gut feeling, Rachel Casey (00:04:56): but not... Rachel Casey (00:05:00): And everyone's, Rachel Casey (00:05:00): oh, Rachel Casey (00:05:00): you have such good intuition. Rachel Casey (00:05:02): And I was like, after listening to a couple of years, I'm like, maybe I have something bigger than that. Rachel Casey (00:05:08): Not necessarily a medium, but maybe is there someone who's like, what's before medium? Rachel Casey (00:05:15): Just like a little, it's, yeah, I don't know. Rachel Casey (00:05:17): I call it intuition because I'm like, it's that... Rachel Casey (00:05:22): voice but i mean i also meditate a lot that has so much to do with so meditation i Rachel Casey (00:05:29): get a lot i feel of like messages and i don't know okay my way with my husband i Rachel Casey (00:05:38): say like god higher power Rachel Casey (00:05:42): he he jokes and says like Allah whatever is um that's just like a language Rachel Casey (00:05:48): translation to me so when I say God higher power I just mean the universe something Rachel Casey (00:05:53): outside of me um and so I just pray sometimes I say universe sometimes say God I Rachel Casey (00:05:59): feel it's a interchangeable word like there's not a great definition um Rachel Casey (00:06:07): So, yeah, but in when I pray a lot, I definitely get intuitions on things. Rachel Casey (00:06:13): And I mean, I'll meditate for an hour or so a day. Sarah Rathke (00:06:16): I mean, it's it's exactly that's exactly what we do. Sarah Rathke (00:06:20): It's exactly what we do. Sarah Rathke (00:06:21): It is just being open to energy and intuitive energy. Sarah Rathke (00:06:29): Because when you're not meditating, Sarah Rathke (00:06:31): when you're stuck in that story that you keep telling yourself in your head over Sarah Rathke (00:06:34): and over and over again, Sarah Rathke (00:06:36): that's kind of what leads you around. Sarah Rathke (00:06:38): That's kind of what makes your reality. Sarah Rathke (00:06:41): It's kind of what guides your footsteps and pulls you into different things. Sarah Rathke (00:06:48): Meditation allows your brain to be quiet so that you can sense everything around you. Rachel Casey (00:06:57): I mean, Rachel Casey (00:06:57): I never, Rachel Casey (00:06:58): when I got sober, Rachel Casey (00:06:59): that was the first time I'd ever experienced a quiet brain, Rachel Casey (00:07:03): to be honest. Rachel Casey (00:07:03): Like, I do remember I was like, I think it was maybe week one, week two. Rachel Casey (00:07:09): And, uh, y'all experienced that where it was, I was almost always in repairing, you know? Rachel Casey (00:07:17): So my brain was never quiet. Rachel Casey (00:07:18): There was always a need to fix. Rachel Casey (00:07:19): Yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:07:20): Yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:07:21): You know, for me, I feel like it's interesting because I was I was a huge drinker. Sarah Rathke (00:07:28): I love drinking. Sarah Rathke (00:07:29): I was like a drinker to the max. Sarah Rathke (00:07:31): I was I bartended my whole way through undergrad and grad school. Sarah Rathke (00:07:36): I was like the fun bartender up on the bar pouring shots Jägermeister down people's throats. Sarah Rathke (00:07:42): I got married to a guy who came into the bar and I feel like tequila was our common, Sarah Rathke (00:07:50): you know, Sarah Rathke (00:07:50): like the thing that pulled us together. Sarah Rathke (00:07:52): Like, yeah, definitely a big drinker. Sarah Rathke (00:07:55): But as... Sarah Rathke (00:07:57): I started to develop my mediumship and I got into mediumship because there was a big, huge loss. Sarah Rathke (00:08:04): Someone passed, someone I needed to get in touch with. Sarah Rathke (00:08:08): And I had never thought about death before. Sarah Rathke (00:08:10): I had never really thought or encountered death. Sarah Rathke (00:08:14): or thought about those bigger things like what happens after we die. Sarah Rathke (00:08:20): And so mediumship was just a natural thing that I fell into. Sarah Rathke (00:08:25): But as I started to realize... Sarah Rathke (00:08:29): hey, there's subtle energy out there and I can perceive it. Sarah Rathke (00:08:33): The more I drank, the less it felt in alignment with that. Sarah Rathke (00:08:39): The less I felt like I wanted to drink because what it felt like was that somebody was taking this drink Sarah Rathke (00:08:47): wet blanket of heaviness and throwing it on top of me and i was no longer able to Sarah Rathke (00:08:53): sense that beautiful delicious high vibration energy um that made me fall in love Sarah Rathke (00:09:01): with you know being an intuitive um and that's interesting restaurants too because Rachel Casey (00:09:08): like i feel like that's kind of what made me really good at sometimes reading Rachel Casey (00:09:13): people is because you have to Rachel Casey (00:09:17): Well, I, in fine dining, they always taught us anticipate the guest needs. Rachel Casey (00:09:20): Like you're supposed to know before they know, Rachel Casey (00:09:23): you know, Rachel Casey (00:09:24): like the mise en place of putting a fork, Rachel Casey (00:09:28): putting a drink, Rachel Casey (00:09:28): you know, Rachel Casey (00:09:29): uh, Rachel Casey (00:09:29): Hey, Rachel Casey (00:09:29): do you want to get that? Rachel Casey (00:09:31): And I've, I was so good at it and I'm not trying to brag way. Rachel Casey (00:09:35): I mean, Rachel Casey (00:09:36): I say that as, Rachel Casey (00:09:37): and I don't, Rachel Casey (00:09:38): I, Rachel Casey (00:09:38): I can't go back now that I'm sober, Rachel Casey (00:09:40): but, Rachel Casey (00:09:41): um, Rachel Casey (00:09:42): and I think I drank really heavily after shifts. Rachel Casey (00:09:45): Like, I mean, I got, Rachel Casey (00:09:47): hammered like and it it was just a lot because people talk about waiting tables I'm Rachel Casey (00:09:54): like in the fine time I mean it was in bartending too especially like a St. Rachel Casey (00:09:58): Patrick's Day night where I would go guest bartend or something like that um I Rachel Casey (00:10:04): didn't just look at it as a throwaway job like I wanted to be good and uh I do I Rachel Casey (00:10:10): didn't even think about maybe the energy that that pulls of Rachel Casey (00:10:15): Well, I do know the customer service. Rachel Casey (00:10:16): You know, Rachel Casey (00:10:17): we all joke like we've had to... Rachel Casey (00:10:19): Any customer service industry, Rachel Casey (00:10:21): you're like people-pleasing the whole shift, Rachel Casey (00:10:23): and then you come out of it and... Sarah Rathke (00:10:25): Well, Sarah Rathke (00:10:25): and a drink or two... Sarah Rathke (00:10:28): makes it a little bit more fun. Sarah Rathke (00:10:30): It makes it a little bit easier to, Sarah Rathke (00:10:32): it's like that social lubricant, Sarah Rathke (00:10:36): like shots with a customer or, Sarah Rathke (00:10:39): I mean, Sarah Rathke (00:10:40): yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:10:41): Yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:10:42): The whole of my twenties, that was the whole of my twenties. Sarah Rathke (00:10:44): But I also realized that, you know, cause I worked at a bar for such a long time. Sarah Rathke (00:10:50): That I really saw the darker side of the locals that would come in and the heaviness in that as well. Sarah Rathke (00:11:01): And drinking for me was just a buffer. Sarah Rathke (00:11:05): Like a way that I wasn't feeling all of their energy, you know, because it is. Sarah Rathke (00:11:11): Drinking definitely deadens your intuition, for sure. Sarah Rathke (00:11:15): At least it did for me. Sarah Rathke (00:11:16): I think I've heard some mediums say that they have a couple glasses of wine and Sarah Rathke (00:11:21): spirits really come flying in. Sarah Rathke (00:11:22): But that's... Sarah Rathke (00:11:24): For me, drinking always deadens my intuition, which was kind of lovely. Rachel Casey (00:11:30): You can only have a couple glasses of wine. Rachel Casey (00:11:31): I'm like, that's just like the after. Rachel Casey (00:11:33): I'm like, there's gotta be Jameson before. Rachel Casey (00:11:36): And oh man, yeah. Rachel Casey (00:11:41): I just think adding any, what would it be called? Rachel Casey (00:11:45): Any like, Rachel Casey (00:11:46): substance that alters the the mind would interfere with like I wouldn't want to be Rachel Casey (00:11:53): drunk and do meditation because my meditation it's like I want to be as on point if Jane Morgan (00:11:58): I as I can I think well I'm you know and then I had the theory that the reason Jane Morgan (00:12:04): they're called spirits meaning the drinks are called spirits is because we leave Jane Morgan (00:12:10): I'll speak for myself and I think I heard you say Rachel here on your podcast that Jane Morgan (00:12:14): you black out Jane Morgan (00:12:16): Oh, yeah. Jane Morgan (00:12:17): I mean, I used to. Jane Morgan (00:12:18): I haven't in three years. Rachel Casey (00:12:20): Exactly. Jane Morgan (00:12:22): God willing, you're not going to ever again. Jane Morgan (00:12:23): But that was a thing you did in the past. Jane Morgan (00:12:26): And I was a blackout drinker as well, and it scared the hell out of me. Jane Morgan (00:12:30): But my thought was, where did I go and who's driving? Jane Morgan (00:12:34): Because something else was driving my body. Jane Morgan (00:12:36): I was talking. Jane Morgan (00:12:37): I was animated. Jane Morgan (00:12:38): I was yelling. Jane Morgan (00:12:40): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:12:41): There's all kinds of things. Jane Morgan (00:12:42): But I don't have any memory of it, Jane Morgan (00:12:45): which, Jane Morgan (00:12:46): you know, Jane Morgan (00:12:46): philosophically, Jane Morgan (00:12:47): I was like, Jane Morgan (00:12:48): maybe that's what happens. Jane Morgan (00:12:49): Maybe that's why they're called spirits. Jane Morgan (00:12:50): And oh, my God, speaking of spirits, look at your kitty. Jane Morgan (00:12:53): But that's so cute. Rachel Casey (00:12:56): I think it's their show. Rachel Casey (00:12:57): I know. Jane Morgan (00:12:58): Yeah, it is their show. Jane Morgan (00:12:59): So anyway, that's my theory. Jane Morgan (00:13:01): I think it's solid that other spirits come in and drive while you're away. Sarah Rathke (00:13:07): I think that's... It's totally right. Rachel Casey (00:13:10): Well, I mean, that's... Rachel Casey (00:13:16): So I used to like laugh at it and I would tell a bartender, Rachel Casey (00:13:19): like, Rachel Casey (00:13:20): especially if I felt the energy of, Rachel Casey (00:13:23): I think maybe I like passed out or, Rachel Casey (00:13:26): you know, Rachel Casey (00:13:26): I was friends with all the bartenders because we're all service. Rachel Casey (00:13:30): And if they're like, oh, you did, oh, that was autopilot, Rachel. Rachel Casey (00:13:35): That was not this Rachel. Rachel Casey (00:13:36): And like autopilot was blackout Rachel who just went on. Rachel Casey (00:13:41): Autopilot is what I called it. Rachel Casey (00:13:44): Because I was still functioning. Rachel Casey (00:13:46): It's not like I passed out. Rachel Casey (00:13:48): I just, for the life of me, could not remember. Rachel Casey (00:13:52): Which is even scarier. Rachel Casey (00:13:55): To me, I used to think it was my excuse card. Rachel Casey (00:13:59): Like, you know, oh, I don't have to take accountability for this. Rachel Casey (00:14:02): Like, it wasn't really me. Rachel Casey (00:14:05): And like, I won't even get a vaccine right now because... Rachel Casey (00:14:11): like where did this went like i i just think it's amazing uh i mean i did also Rachel Casey (00:14:16): incorporate drugs too which my husband used to get pretty upset with because when i Rachel Casey (00:14:23): went on autopilot the first thing i'm doing is trying to find uppers and i guess Rachel Casey (00:14:29): you know again autopilot wasn't thinking who's around who's listening i'm just like Rachel Casey (00:14:36): Apparently, Rachel Casey (00:14:37): one of the couple weeks before we got sober, Rachel Casey (00:14:39): we were in Florida, Rachel Casey (00:14:41): and I asked someone right next to a cop, Rachel Casey (00:14:45): and I, Rachel Casey (00:14:45): again, Rachel Casey (00:14:45): don't remember, Rachel Casey (00:14:46): but Colin is like, Rachel Casey (00:14:47): you have no sense of where you are. Rachel Casey (00:14:50): And I'm like, yeah. Rachel Casey (00:14:52): It's all the pilot's fault. Rachel Casey (00:14:55): That's the, oh, man. Rachel Casey (00:14:58): I did, speaking of what we did, I've had a lot of requests about dreams. Rachel Casey (00:15:03): Yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:15:04): Um, I had one of those just a couple nights ago, knowing I was coming on here. Sarah Rathke (00:15:10): And I did, I looked it up. Rachel Casey (00:15:13): Actually, Rachel Casey (00:15:14): I like looked up quite a few articles because I was interested in what, Rachel Casey (00:15:21): what kind of, Rachel Casey (00:15:22): well, Rachel Casey (00:15:22): so I'm a psychology major. Rachel Casey (00:15:24): Uh, I went back to school. Rachel Casey (00:15:26): I had one, I had three credits when I got sober and I was, Rachel Casey (00:15:30): i really thought i had a two-year-old i was like there's no way um and i've gotten Rachel Casey (00:15:34): accepted i've trans i love school now i would not have loved it at 21 when it Rachel Casey (00:15:42): interfered with my drinking which is why i didn't continue i went to the service Rachel Casey (00:15:45): industry i was like oh i can do this while drinking you know like it it kind of fit Rachel Casey (00:15:50): and i mean it was progressive um Rachel Casey (00:15:54): yeah actually i think the one or the higher end the restaurant the heavier the Rachel Casey (00:15:57): drinking and i wonder if that does have something to do with Sarah Rathke (00:16:02): the pull of pressure though, to the higher end, the restaurant, the more pressure there is. Sarah Rathke (00:16:09): And if, Sarah Rathke (00:16:10): if we're not, Sarah Rathke (00:16:11): if we're not trained or don't have the tools to deal with that pressure, Sarah Rathke (00:16:16): we're going to, Sarah Rathke (00:16:16): we're going to use whatever tools are at our disposal. Sarah Rathke (00:16:19): And quite often that's something like, Sarah Rathke (00:16:22): you know, Sarah Rathke (00:16:22): the, Sarah Rathke (00:16:23): the drink that's sitting right there in your little station. Rachel Casey (00:16:26): And I mean, again, it just kind of quiets the voice of, Rachel Casey (00:16:32): whatever like uh if you think of even like the angel and devil on your shoulders of Rachel Casey (00:16:37): it kind of makes the noise a little quieter um but one of the things that i saw was Rachel Casey (00:16:45): drinking dreams while you're sober one of them was to say it was a way that your Rachel Casey (00:16:51): body can go through an emotional healing and processing state and they said Rachel Casey (00:16:57): It is a safe place for your subconscious mind to process emotions of guilt, Rachel Casey (00:17:02): shame, Rachel Casey (00:17:03): anger, Rachel Casey (00:17:03): fear, Rachel Casey (00:17:04): and to help you work through that feeling, Rachel Casey (00:17:08): which I feel like that kind of, Rachel Casey (00:17:10): aligns i i don't i feel badly i don't really have drinking dreams myself but i've Rachel Casey (00:17:15): had many night like dreams nightmares of my husband relapsing and coming home to Rachel Casey (00:17:21): him drunk because i always have my tattoo in my dream and i always look and i like Rachel Casey (00:17:27): show it and i'm like no i have my symbol i'm sober um but i've had many of him and Rachel Casey (00:17:35): that's weird right Rachel Casey (00:17:36): I shouldn't be having you. Jane Morgan (00:17:39): No, that makes perfect sense. Jane Morgan (00:17:44): I mean, your sobriety is really tied together. Jane Morgan (00:17:47): Obviously, you're parenting together. Jane Morgan (00:17:48): It makes total sense to me that that would be a cause of anxiety. Jane Morgan (00:17:53): So what a great place to work it out, not reality. Jane Morgan (00:17:55): And I love that you have the tattoo. Rachel Casey (00:18:00): You're looking at us three years. Rachel Casey (00:18:01): The first year, we... Rachel Casey (00:18:04): It was hard because he just... I saw... I was all in on AA. Rachel Casey (00:18:11): Like, I mean, obviously. Rachel Casey (00:18:13): I got the tattoo, which people told me not to do. Rachel Casey (00:18:16): They're like, you're going to relapse. Sarah Rathke (00:18:17): You know, if you relapse, you're going to regret it. Rachel Casey (00:18:19): And after I went to a 2-4... Rachel Casey (00:18:23): meeting i i mean i just i wanted it i wanted to remember that meeting i wanted to Rachel Casey (00:18:27): remember that time and i i wanted it um it's not anyone else's tattoo it's mine Rachel Casey (00:18:34): it's little i look at it i it's a pause button um but he wasn't even sure if he was Rachel Casey (00:18:39): alcoholic or not and i i really struggled with that with with him not knowing Rachel Casey (00:18:48): because he he like didn't want to go to me you know he just didn't find his groove Rachel Casey (00:18:54): and i would be like did you find a sponsor yet you know and no and he did get one Rachel Casey (00:19:00): but they didn't really start working together probably till after the first year um Rachel Casey (00:19:05): but i had to learn to let go um Rachel Casey (00:19:11): so I know I don't want to be the only one talking but I will share and I really Rachel Casey (00:19:16): struggled I think this is why I kind of tossed and turned last night I had a deep Rachel Casey (00:19:21): deep that rocketed into the fourth dimension I had and I've only told the story Rachel Casey (00:19:27): once maybe to my sponsor but it is like profound to me um Jane Morgan (00:19:34): I don't know if Sarah knows the context for The Rocketed to the Fourth Dimension. Jane Morgan (00:19:37): I don't. Jane Morgan (00:19:38): I'm fascinated. Rachel Casey (00:19:39): So I wonder if you can explain before you... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rachel Casey (00:19:42): I even... So in the big book, it's on page 25. Rachel Casey (00:19:46): It's one of the... Rachel Casey (00:19:50): more wait i know i printed it if not i'll get my i can i mean i feel like i have Rachel Casey (00:19:56): the big book memorized um so rocketed into like i said the first year i went like Rachel Casey (00:20:02): all all in um bill says there's the point of when Rachel Casey (00:20:10): you are no longer, you're in this place of neutrality with alcohol. Rachel Casey (00:20:13): So you're not in a place where it usually comes after step nine, Rachel Casey (00:20:17): after making amends with the people that you have harmed and you've now realized Rachel Casey (00:20:22): your part. Rachel Casey (00:20:24): After you're done doing that, Rachel Casey (00:20:26): they talk about that you can look the world in the eye, Rachel Casey (00:20:28): you're not for alcohol, Rachel Casey (00:20:31): you're not against alcohol, Rachel Casey (00:20:33): and you find yourself rocketed into the fourth dimension. Rachel Casey (00:20:37): And that fourth dimension can be argued, was he referring to Rachel Casey (00:20:45): Oh, it's someone from 1909. Rachel Casey (00:20:47): I can't remember his name. Rachel Casey (00:20:49): I swore I printed it out, but I got excited and printed out a lot of articles. Rachel Casey (00:20:54): And they said that it's like the concept of time, Rachel Casey (00:20:59): that it's like that fourth dimension that you can't see, Rachel Casey (00:21:02): but it can be solved through like a math problem. Rachel Casey (00:21:04): Like you can see the reality of it for like a potential time travel, let's say. Rachel Casey (00:21:09): But the fourth dimension really means a spiritual experience. Rachel Casey (00:21:14): And on that note, Rachel Casey (00:21:16): that line, Rachel Casey (00:21:17): Rocketed to the Fourth Dimension, Rachel Casey (00:21:20): was the cause of the republishment for Edition 2. Rachel Casey (00:21:25): Because a lot of people did not have a spiritual experience when they got sober. Rachel Casey (00:21:30): And they're reading this, and they said, I wasn't Rocketed into the Fourth Dimension anymore. Rachel Casey (00:21:36): what the hell what's wrong with me here yeah yeah exactly so bill added the Rachel Casey (00:21:41): spiritual appendix which is why on the bottom of that page you're going to see a Rachel Casey (00:21:44): little asterisk at the bottom and it says refer to spiritual experience i think Rachel Casey (00:21:47): it's like page 590 something i have it as tabbed in my book um and he basically Rachel Casey (00:21:54): explains that not everyone's spiritual experience is the same Rachel Casey (00:21:56): Some don't have a burning bush moment. Rachel Casey (00:21:59): Sometimes your burning bush moment comes in year two. Rachel Casey (00:22:01): Sometimes you're, Rachel Casey (00:22:02): but I mean, Rachel Casey (00:22:03): they got a mailbox of letters of, Rachel Casey (00:22:07): I didn't have a burning bush moment like you did at the cathedral or like you did Rachel Casey (00:22:12): with your, Rachel Casey (00:22:13): you know, Rachel Casey (00:22:13): Bob. Rachel Casey (00:22:14): And so that, that line actually caused him quite an uproar in the little alcoholic community. Rachel Casey (00:22:23): And that's kind of fun backstory stuff on. Sarah Rathke (00:22:26): but you were rocketed into the fourth dimension. Rachel Casey (00:22:30): I really feel I was. Rachel Casey (00:22:31): And it is, it's a common party theme of AA parties. Rachel Casey (00:22:35): Like I've been to lots of conventions. Rachel Casey (00:22:37): They rock it and it's just kind of fun because you can make sparkles and I've not Rachel Casey (00:22:42): been to a men's one yet, Rachel Casey (00:22:43): but girls are big on the rocketed fourth dimension. Rachel Casey (00:22:48): Again, it's just playful and it, Rachel Casey (00:22:51): Well, will you tell us a little bit about that being rocketed there? Rachel Casey (00:22:55): So, I mean, I still am lost a word. Rachel Casey (00:23:01): I don't think he listens, but, like, I guess it's the truth, so it doesn't really matter. Rachel Casey (00:23:05): He's a very heavy drinker. Rachel Casey (00:23:07): I mean, handles and packs the cigarettes a day. Rachel Casey (00:23:11): And he's been kind of suicidal on and off. Rachel Casey (00:23:16): It's hard. Rachel Casey (00:23:17): It is, and I feel badly, like, Rachel Casey (00:23:22): saying it so lightly, Rachel Casey (00:23:23): but it's, Rachel Casey (00:23:24): it gets to a point where, Rachel Casey (00:23:25): I mean, Rachel Casey (00:23:25): I've told him I, Rachel Casey (00:23:26): I would drive down and help him if he wanted to get help, Rachel Casey (00:23:29): but he doesn't want to stop drinking or smoking or doing anything. Rachel Casey (00:23:33): So there's not really much I can do. Rachel Casey (00:23:37): Uh, and I'm not going to sit here and force the program. Rachel Casey (00:23:40): Like, cause that's not how it was for me. Rachel Casey (00:23:42): I shared cause he had been suicidal and it was her birthday. Rachel Casey (00:23:46): And I shared in a meeting that Rachel Casey (00:23:49): I just didn't want him to do anything on her birthday. Rachel Casey (00:23:52): That was my one prayer for the day. Rachel Casey (00:23:55): And I was like, please, please, please, you already forget her birthday. Rachel Casey (00:24:00): Please don't off yourself on her birthday. Rachel Casey (00:24:03): And I shared that in a meeting because I was new in sobriety. Rachel Casey (00:24:08): It was a strong feeling. Rachel Casey (00:24:09): And I had a lady grab me after in the Al-Anon room. Rachel Casey (00:24:16): And we sat on the floor and she's like, you have to let it go. Rachel Casey (00:24:20): And I was like, what do you mean? Rachel Casey (00:24:22): And she goes, you have to surrender it. Rachel Casey (00:24:26): And if we're to take his life on birthday, that's God's will, not your will. Rachel Casey (00:24:32): And like, I really didn't compute it for a little bit. Rachel Casey (00:24:35): And I just, I listened to her and there was this, and I surrendered it. Rachel Casey (00:24:43): and like for real like so we she like literally had me praying like if that's what Rachel Casey (00:24:48): god wants or what the universe wants that's what i want to you know like not Rachel Casey (00:24:54): playing god not we don't get to pray for even if it's like oh well it's protecting Rachel Casey (00:25:01): you know we don't know the bigger plan and Rachel Casey (00:25:07): I mean, she sat with me for like an hour in that Al-Anon room. Rachel Casey (00:25:10): By the end of it, I let it go. Rachel Casey (00:25:12): And it was like profound. Rachel Casey (00:25:14): And yeah, Rachel Casey (00:25:17): like I felt that was the most sober I've felt like from that moment because I Rachel Casey (00:25:25): learned like I can't control someone else's drinking. Rachel Casey (00:25:29): I can't control someone else's thoughts. Rachel Casey (00:25:30): And Rachel Casey (00:25:33): I mean, it still like gives me goosebumps of like, my perspective changed. Rachel Casey (00:25:39): I was thinking, Rachel Casey (00:25:40): I'm not being selfish because I'm like in protection mode, Rachel Casey (00:25:43): but it still is because I'm in the way of trying to manipulate. Rachel Casey (00:25:47): And in the big book, you know, they say like, we're trying to play the director of the play. Rachel Casey (00:25:51): We're like, we're the director, we're the, and I let it go. Rachel Casey (00:25:57): And I don't want to be the director and I don't want to, Rachel Casey (00:26:01): It's a lot of work and it's much easier to be just a player, Rachel Casey (00:26:07): but I haven't even had that fear the last few years. Rachel Casey (00:26:11): I haven't even realized that, Rachel Casey (00:26:12): but I don't talk about that as often just because he's an alcoholic, Rachel Casey (00:26:17): but I... Jane Morgan (00:26:18): i'm also an alcoholic so i get it right yeah well i mean cunning baffling powerful Jane Morgan (00:26:23): what a brutal disease like i know that's the topic here and it and you're you know Jane Morgan (00:26:27): i have family members who've died from this too i have i have other family members Jane Morgan (00:26:31): i've lost a mental illness through through their it's a brutal disease and i'm it's Jane Morgan (00:26:35): a family disease at least in my story and you know i i used to um Jane Morgan (00:26:42): made a film about about alcohol and i hung a bunch of glassware in a tree and i Rachel Casey (00:26:49): said that's my family tree that's that's about uh i mean yeah and it's weird that Rachel Casey (00:26:58): both um and i do think it played a part in me getting sober i lost some friends the Rachel Casey (00:27:05): day i found out my grandma had passed and she really Rachel Casey (00:27:10): she was 27, 26 years sober. Rachel Casey (00:27:14): Um, and she wanted me to go to Al-Anon really badly because of all is, this is my dad's mom. Rachel Casey (00:27:21): Um, and then my mom's dad was, Rachel Casey (00:27:24): also had just passed earlier that year and he had been sober since 87. Rachel Casey (00:27:31): So I had, Rachel Casey (00:27:32): and I used to, Rachel Casey (00:27:34): after they passed, Rachel Casey (00:27:35): I would drink and like, Rachel Casey (00:27:36): I was asking myself like, Rachel Casey (00:27:37): are they watching me get blackout right now? Rachel Casey (00:27:40): And that always gave me an eerie feeling, Rachel Casey (00:27:44): which I do think maybe I couldn't have gotten sober until they passed. Rachel Casey (00:27:48): Like, I don't know if they were the part that maybe helped me see Rachel Casey (00:27:55): what was happening because it was bad. Sarah Rathke (00:27:57): Yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:27:59): Well, they're definitely, they're all together. Sarah Rathke (00:28:04): It's like this, you've got this team behind you that wants your highest good, your best outcome. Sarah Rathke (00:28:11): Can I share a story? Sarah Rathke (00:28:13): Yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:28:14): Okay. Sarah Rathke (00:28:15): So I'm not an AA, but I, I, I feel like I was introduced to it in the coolest way. Sarah Rathke (00:28:24): I was giving a reading to a woman and there was a gentleman that came through and Sarah Rathke (00:28:30): he made me feel so much admiration for her, Sarah Rathke (00:28:34): so much love for her, Sarah Rathke (00:28:36): so much appreciation for her, Sarah Rathke (00:28:37): but it felt very fatherly. Sarah Rathke (00:28:39): But I knew he wasn't her father and I heard that he was Bill's friend. Sarah Rathke (00:28:45): And so I didn't know what that meant. Sarah Rathke (00:28:48): And then I felt this, oh, I'm getting chills right now. Sarah Rathke (00:28:56): I felt this huge crowd of people standing around behind her and around him. Sarah Rathke (00:29:02): And he says, these are all the people that you have helped. Sarah Rathke (00:29:08): And these are all the people who have stood by you. Sarah Rathke (00:29:10): And these people are all your community. Sarah Rathke (00:29:13): And this is what you've built. Sarah Rathke (00:29:16): And it's going to be a legacy that goes on far beyond you, Sarah Rathke (00:29:20): the stretches of what you've created and who you've reached. Sarah Rathke (00:29:24): You'll have no idea. Sarah Rathke (00:29:26): And it turned out that that man was her sponsor who had passed many years ago. Sarah Rathke (00:29:31): And she had done so much work in this community of being... Sarah Rathke (00:29:38): just a mentor and helping so many others who are struggling. Sarah Rathke (00:29:44): And there are so many people in her network on the other side who are just rooting and supporting her. Rachel Casey (00:29:50): Wow. Rachel Casey (00:29:53): I mean, you have to, but that's the thing that's like all the people is I've thought about it is like, Rachel Casey (00:30:00): Cause I've sponsored women and you know, Rachel Casey (00:30:03): I take, Rachel Casey (00:30:03): and again, Rachel Casey (00:30:04): the coolest part about AA is there's no rules. Rachel Casey (00:30:09): You know, I literally can only share what I did and I can only, or if I didn't do it, Rachel Casey (00:30:16): my sponsor probably did it or you know so and then i've now had two girls work the Rachel Casey (00:30:22): steps all the way and now they're sponsors and they've having sponsors and it's i Rachel Casey (00:30:27): mean that's already like 20 women right there you know so carrying the message is i Rachel Casey (00:30:35): mean that's the coolest part of sobriety for me and Rachel Casey (00:30:39): I think to feel some, Rachel Casey (00:30:40): I've wondered how many women my grandma helped because she was in the program till Rachel Casey (00:30:45): the day she died. Rachel Casey (00:30:45): My grandpa did not. Rachel Casey (00:30:47): He went to AA, got sober and then more church. Rachel Casey (00:30:53): Um, but, and again, Colin's kind of opposite where he's not so AA in the beginning. Rachel Casey (00:31:02): And I was, um, Rachel Casey (00:31:07): all in and now I've kind of been like there's so many different ways to get sober Rachel Casey (00:31:11): and there's not one right I think that's even what Bill does say on page 164 is Rachel Casey (00:31:18): more will be revealed and he talks about listening to that intuition he talks about Rachel Casey (00:31:27): I think if he were alive today, number one, I think he would go on podcasts and talk about sobriety. Rachel Casey (00:31:34): He invested all of his leftover money before he died into finding a cure for alcoholism. Rachel Casey (00:31:42): But that's where he had also talked about the struggle of depression. Rachel Casey (00:31:47): I mean, Bill was big on all aspects of just carrying the message, however that be. Rachel Casey (00:31:56): And then the people in AA, Rachel Casey (00:31:58): after he passed, Rachel Casey (00:31:59): I feel have sometimes been, Rachel Casey (00:32:00): and really his wife, Rachel Casey (00:32:02): who started Al-Anon. Rachel Casey (00:32:04): She was big into, you know, don't change anything. Rachel Casey (00:32:07): This is how it works. Rachel Casey (00:32:08): This is the traditions. Rachel Casey (00:32:09): This is the steps. Rachel Casey (00:32:10): You know, they're there for a reason. Rachel Casey (00:32:12): I think they said the steps help us not kill ourselves and the traditions help us not kill others. Rachel Casey (00:32:19): And that was... Rachel Casey (00:32:22): But the world has evolved. Rachel Casey (00:32:25): And so I've struggled with starting the podcast, being on the podcast, talking about sobriety in general. Rachel Casey (00:32:33): But I do truly do it too. Jane Morgan (00:32:36): That's so funny. Jane Morgan (00:32:37): I love that you have that theory. Jane Morgan (00:32:39): I mean, the point is we can't represent the program. Rachel Casey (00:32:43): No, no, no. Rachel Casey (00:32:45): I would never want to. Jane Morgan (00:32:46): We're members. Jane Morgan (00:32:47): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:32:48): No, Jane Morgan (00:32:48): but that's the whole reason for the anonymity, Jane Morgan (00:32:50): right, Jane Morgan (00:32:51): is so that if, Jane Morgan (00:32:52): God forbid, Jane Morgan (00:32:53): you or I went out, Jane Morgan (00:32:55): people could point and say, Jane Morgan (00:32:56): this doesn't work. Jane Morgan (00:32:58): because you know we went out but the but the but the reality is the numbers are Jane Morgan (00:33:04): extremely special and I don't have them at my fingertips but there are many ways to Rachel Casey (00:33:09): get sober and this is one that works for 12 ways I was like I looked up you know Rachel Casey (00:33:15): what are people doing um not everyone's that you know that's why there's 12 Rachel Casey (00:33:22): different therapies out there not everyone it doesn't all work for everyone um Rachel Casey (00:33:28): Right. Jane Morgan (00:33:28): But yeah, but I think you're doing a service here is what I want to say. Jane Morgan (00:33:33): I hope so. Jane Morgan (00:33:34): That's the goal. Jane Morgan (00:33:36): I mean, I'm always out. Jane Morgan (00:33:37): I'm out about my sobriety and, you know, and I just call it recovery. Jane Morgan (00:33:41): And, you know, it's just a room full of people who have the same problem. Jane Morgan (00:33:46): I call it an allergy. Jane Morgan (00:33:49): I mean, it's a problem. Rachel Casey (00:33:50): Yeah, that's what I say. Rachel Casey (00:33:51): I put that on my medical record. Jane Morgan (00:33:52): It's a physical allergy. Rachel Casey (00:33:54): They ask if I'm allergic to anything. Rachel Casey (00:33:55): I say alcohol. Rachel Casey (00:33:56): I mean, and I have not, I get some doctors that laugh at it and I'm like, I'm not kidding. Rachel Casey (00:34:00): I mean, go look at my generation history. Rachel Casey (00:34:03): Like I am, I am from that tree. Rachel Casey (00:34:06): I want a picture of that tree and I will show a doctor at the time. Rachel Casey (00:34:10): This is my family tree. Jane Morgan (00:34:11): Well, I did stand up right after I got sober and I did a bit about the Jane Morgan (00:34:19): It was super fun, actually. Jane Morgan (00:34:22): I was like, well, I kind of felt like it was the end of my life. Jane Morgan (00:34:26): I was like, oh, this is so stupid that I can't drink anymore. Jane Morgan (00:34:29): So I'm going to start hitting my bucket list. Jane Morgan (00:34:32): And doing stand-up was on my bucket list. Jane Morgan (00:34:34): So I was like, OK, I'm going to do stand-up. Jane Morgan (00:34:36): And I did a bit where I'd say, can you believe that alcoholics say they're allergic to alcohol? Jane Morgan (00:34:42): And of course, I'm talking to a room of alcoholics. Jane Morgan (00:34:44): They're all having drinks. Jane Morgan (00:34:45): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:34:46): And they're all, they were like, yeah, that's ridiculous. Jane Morgan (00:34:49): And I was like, yeah, but I do break out in one night stands. Rachel Casey (00:34:52): Yeah. (00:34:54): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:34:55): Yeah, yeah. Rachel Casey (00:34:56): No, I've been there a lot. Rachel Casey (00:34:57): That's so true. Rachel Casey (00:35:00): What's the other, yeah. Rachel Casey (00:35:03): I've had that happen more. Rachel Casey (00:35:04): I've never been arrested. Rachel Casey (00:35:05): I've had plenty of, I had the worst one was, Rachel Casey (00:35:10): I forgot, I blacked out that I had ordered pizza and this is probably 10 years ago. Rachel Casey (00:35:17): And the guy used his personal cell and I thought it was the guy I'd met at the bar Rachel Casey (00:35:21): and had a one night stand with, Rachel Casey (00:35:22): went home and he kept, Rachel Casey (00:35:25): I thought he was being joking. Rachel Casey (00:35:26): Like, I don't know who you are. Rachel Casey (00:35:27): I don't know. Rachel Casey (00:35:28): I'm like, okay, don't be like coy. Rachel Casey (00:35:31): It's the freaking Domino's delivery driver. Rachel Casey (00:35:33): And his girlfriend is on the phone. Rachel Casey (00:35:35): I was like, oh my God, I forgot I ordered pizza. Rachel Casey (00:35:40): I'm like, I had nothing to do with your boyfriend. Rachel Casey (00:35:43): I'm so sorry. Rachel Casey (00:35:44): Oh my God. Rachel Casey (00:35:45): Oh my God. Rachel Casey (00:35:46): It was so bad. Rachel Casey (00:35:46): This was right before I met my husband too. Rachel Casey (00:35:50): And, um, thank God. Rachel Casey (00:35:51): Like he saved me from so many. Rachel Casey (00:36:04): we had some adventures oh my god so yeah i was gonna say so what do you guys talk Rachel Casey (00:36:12): to you how old are your kids so my my son's five and we do tell him we're Rachel Casey (00:36:17): alcoholics and we talk about it we say mommy and daddy don't drink and he doesn't Rachel Casey (00:36:21): quite understand what that means yet he's so little Rachel Casey (00:36:24): well we could and he he'll say he's an allotot we're like you're a little he goes Rachel Casey (00:36:28): to meetings with that he used to he loves birthday night because oh that's so cute Rachel Casey (00:36:34): everyone has he's grown up in the rooms he everyone loves him there like i mean he Rachel Casey (00:36:41): looks at those people as our family you know um even when we see him just out in Rachel Casey (00:36:45): public at target or you know um i've never had anyone ask me how does how do you Rachel Casey (00:36:51): know so and so but Rachel Casey (00:36:54): I usually would, I've practiced like a friend of a friend. Rachel Casey (00:36:57): I don't even say a friend of Bill because it's so popular now. Rachel Casey (00:37:01): I don't know. Rachel Casey (00:37:02): I think that would give it away. Jane Morgan (00:37:05): Right? Jane Morgan (00:37:06): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:37:06): I just say friend of a friend. Jane Morgan (00:37:08): I say friend of a friend. Jane Morgan (00:37:09): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:37:10): I'm like, oh, we're calling it just friend of friend. Jane Morgan (00:37:13): I don't know. Jane Morgan (00:37:13): Friend of a friend. Jane Morgan (00:37:14): And then, and you just keep it shut down. Jane Morgan (00:37:16): Cause it just happened to me. Jane Morgan (00:37:17): I was on Island and I'm on a small Island. Jane Morgan (00:37:19): And someone was like, I was with a friend and another fellow, we were looking at the surf. Jane Morgan (00:37:22): Another fellow walked up and we're chatting. Jane Morgan (00:37:24): I know him. Jane Morgan (00:37:25): Well, I know him really well. Jane Morgan (00:37:27): And she's like, how do you know him? Jane Morgan (00:37:28): And I'm like, friend of a friend. Jane Morgan (00:37:30): And then I just kept walking. Jane Morgan (00:37:32): It's not a lie. Jane Morgan (00:37:33): It's true. Jane Morgan (00:37:34): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:37:35): Yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:37:37): It's funny. Sarah Rathke (00:37:37): I've heard you talking about like, um, Sarah Rathke (00:37:40): Like going to, on your podcast, like, oh no, I'm going to the bar. Sarah Rathke (00:37:44): I'm going to go to this party. Sarah Rathke (00:37:45): And what's everyone going to think when I'm not drinking? Sarah Rathke (00:37:48): I'm going to like disguise my drink. Sarah Rathke (00:37:49): It's like, I've been to so many parties now. Sarah Rathke (00:37:52): Nobody cares. Sarah Rathke (00:37:54): Nobody cares. Rachel Casey (00:37:56): But I did for the first, I mean, even the first Thanksgiving, four days sober, I got everyone. Rachel Casey (00:38:03): Everyone, everyone was like, there's only one reason Rachel couldn't be drinking. Rachel Casey (00:38:07): Like there's literally, and by Christmas still, Rachel Casey (00:38:11): we hadn't i don't think we had told our family quite yet because colin again he was Rachel Casey (00:38:16): on my mom obviously knew because she was the one that helped us get there um but Rachel Casey (00:38:21): colin's parents we didn't he wasn't quite sure what he was yeah he didn't know if Rachel Casey (00:38:26): we were going to stay together or not um and i i mean it was it was really a day at Rachel Casey (00:38:35): a time um Rachel Casey (00:38:37): it takes time. Rachel Casey (00:38:38): So like if someone is new in sobriety and listening, it's not like... Rachel Casey (00:38:43): It's not instant at all. Rachel Casey (00:38:44): And it took me a while to learn even how to deal with my toddler because I was so Rachel Casey (00:38:50): used to numbing out to his crazy array of emotions. Rachel Casey (00:38:55): And I used to tell him, I'm growing up too, honey. Rachel Casey (00:38:59): Like, I don't know how to handle this. Rachel Casey (00:39:01): Like, I don't know. Rachel Casey (00:39:03): And we're learning together. Rachel Casey (00:39:04): And I was wondering what y'all's experiences as moms. Rachel Casey (00:39:09): I don't know the ages. Rachel Casey (00:39:10): I hadn't heard it brought up yet, but... Sarah Rathke (00:39:15): Well, we have boys the same age. Sarah Rathke (00:39:17): We've got big old teenage boys. Sarah Rathke (00:39:19): That's how we met. Sarah Rathke (00:39:20): They were in the same kindergarten class. Sarah Rathke (00:39:21): So mine's 16 and yours is 15, right, Jane? Jane Morgan (00:39:27): Yeah, I got sober... Jane Morgan (00:39:29): And my boys was born a couple days on either side of that, I'll just say. Jane Morgan (00:39:34): I won't say his precise birthday. Jane Morgan (00:39:36): But I joked that I was going to call him Chip because at three months sober, I got pregnant. Jane Morgan (00:39:48): And so my sobriety date was allegedly my delivery date. Jane Morgan (00:39:51): Wow. Jane Morgan (00:39:54): Yes. Jane Morgan (00:39:55): That's what the doctors were telling me. Jane Morgan (00:39:56): They were like, you're going to have a baby on the 8th of April. Jane Morgan (00:39:59): And I was like, that'll be a good day. Rachel Casey (00:40:02): yeah i mean we're gonna name evan jameson because that's what we were drunk on and Sarah Rathke (00:40:06): he got made well we were gonna have a boy and a girl and call them jack and ginger Rachel Casey (00:40:13): so yeah yes i mean it's just like but alcohol is so big to me that i was like i Rachel Casey (00:40:21): didn't find it alarming that i'm like i'm gonna name my kid after my favorite Rachel Casey (00:40:26): alcohol Rachel Casey (00:40:28): And, you know, I am glad we went with Evan. Rachel Casey (00:40:32): I mean, the minute he was born. Sarah Rathke (00:40:34): He was not a Jameson. Sarah Rathke (00:40:36): No, no. Rachel Casey (00:40:37): And I did, I did have Jameson that day, but no, he was. Rachel Casey (00:40:42): And again, that's just, I was so excited to have a drink again. Rachel Casey (00:40:46): And that was kind of my rationalization to call. Rachel Casey (00:40:49): And I'm like, Rachel Casey (00:40:49): I went nine months without drinking, Rachel Casey (00:40:51): you know, Rachel Casey (00:40:51): like I did not go, Rachel Casey (00:40:53): I did not have a glass of wine. Rachel Casey (00:40:55): I had nothing. Rachel Casey (00:40:56): Um, well the night I found out I, I rallied and I was like, well, he's survived up to this point. Rachel Casey (00:41:02): So we don't know what's happening. Rachel Casey (00:41:04): I took like pregnancy tests. Rachel Casey (00:41:06): It was bad. Rachel Casey (00:41:07): Um, Rachel Casey (00:41:09): I would not stop falling asleep. Rachel Casey (00:41:11): That was when the real blackouts happened. Rachel Casey (00:41:13): I was like, blackout fall asleep. Rachel Casey (00:41:15): And I knew something was off. Rachel Casey (00:41:17): So we're drunk, going home in an Uber. Rachel Casey (00:41:19): I stop at the 24-hour CVS trying to incognito buy pregnancy tests. Rachel Casey (00:41:26): I'm wasted peeing on sticks. Rachel Casey (00:41:29): And I mean, they're all positive. Rachel Casey (00:41:30): I'm like, are you sure? Rachel Casey (00:41:31): Maybe this is a bad one. Rachel Casey (00:41:35): Oh. (00:41:36): Oh, totally. Rachel Casey (00:41:37): I love you, Evan. Rachel Casey (00:41:38): You're the best thing that ever happened. Rachel Casey (00:41:40): But yeah, we were not convinced yet. Rachel Casey (00:41:44): Oh, my God. Rachel Casey (00:41:45): That was wild. Rachel Casey (00:41:47): But being a sober mom is probably one of my favorite things. Rachel Casey (00:41:54): But you do get the energy, or at least I have now, that he's in kindergarten. Rachel Casey (00:41:59): We're kind of starting to socialize with the parents in the neighborhood. Rachel Casey (00:42:03): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:42:03): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:42:05): And some of them, they get, I've gotten a little few weird text messages like for Halloween. Rachel Casey (00:42:13): Oh, there's going to be alcohol around. Rachel Casey (00:42:14): Are you going to be okay? Rachel Casey (00:42:15): I'm like, yeah, I'm, you know, and then Colin will get like cornered. Rachel Casey (00:42:19): And they, I think I used to have a drinking problem. Rachel Casey (00:42:22): Like, I don't know. Rachel Casey (00:42:22): I have like two or three, you know, he's like, Rachel Casey (00:42:25): He'd rather just not talk about it. Rachel Casey (00:42:26): He's like, it's so awkward. Rachel Casey (00:42:28): Or what are teachers going to think? Rachel Casey (00:42:30): You know, Rachel Casey (00:42:30): what are teachers worried that like he, Rachel Casey (00:42:32): we've relapsed or something, Rachel Casey (00:42:34): you know, Rachel Casey (00:42:34): like as far as school systems or I don't, Rachel Casey (00:42:38): I don't know. Rachel Casey (00:42:39): I'm not, I don't think that much into it, but I mean, I think still so little. Sarah Rathke (00:42:46): And I think you'll find that as he gets older and Sarah Rathke (00:42:50): There's such a huge, Sarah Rathke (00:42:53): broad variety of all different kinds of parents out there who have all different Sarah Rathke (00:42:58): kinds of things that they're dealing with. Sarah Rathke (00:43:00): And, you know, alcoholism is just one of the things that people deal with. Sarah Rathke (00:43:05): So you just... Sarah Rathke (00:43:07): you have compassion and you assume and hope that everybody else has compassion for Sarah Rathke (00:43:12): what you go through and you do the same because raising a kid's hard and there's so Sarah Rathke (00:43:18): many different factors that go into being a family. Sarah Rathke (00:43:23): So, so many, so many. Rachel Casey (00:43:26): And again, you know, my mom sober. Rachel Casey (00:43:29): So, you know, he knows Nana doesn't drink, but Colin's parents do drink. Rachel Casey (00:43:35): So we have, Rachel Casey (00:43:37): It's very funny when I think it was maybe at Thanksgiving pointing to a bottle. Rachel Casey (00:43:41): He's like, what's that? Rachel Casey (00:43:42): And I was like, I never thought my kid wouldn't recognize a bottle. Rachel Casey (00:43:49): It's just I never thought I'd be sober. Rachel Casey (00:43:51): I really didn't. Rachel Casey (00:43:52): Never thought. Rachel Casey (00:43:53): Never thought in a million years. Rachel Casey (00:43:57): It's baffling sometimes to me that I'm like, oh, yeah. Rachel Casey (00:44:02): I thought that was my world. Rachel Casey (00:44:05): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:44:07): That's why I couldn't listen to my grandmother who, Rachel Casey (00:44:10): and she would drag me into meetings when I was little. Rachel Casey (00:44:13): And I say drag because I didn't really want to go. Rachel Casey (00:44:15): And the only thing I liked is that she'd let me put the dollar in the basket. Rachel Casey (00:44:21): And I thought that was fun. Rachel Casey (00:44:23): And then I was ready to go. Rachel Casey (00:44:24): And there was a bunch of sodas. Rachel Casey (00:44:27): But yeah, Rachel Casey (00:44:29): I really like, Rachel Casey (00:44:30): I mean, Rachel Casey (00:44:31): if I were to want a medium experience, Rachel Casey (00:44:34): I think it would be like with my grandmother, Rachel Casey (00:44:37): because I know how beautiful Rachel Casey (00:44:39): how desperately she wanted my dad to get sober. Rachel Casey (00:44:41): But once even then she started seeing how bad it was with me. Rachel Casey (00:44:46): When my dad did come down for the, my son's second birthday that I don't remember. Rachel Casey (00:44:52): And it was at nine 30 in the morning. Rachel Casey (00:44:55): And I was blacked out for that birthday for a two year old's birthday party. Rachel Casey (00:45:00): I don't remember. Rachel Casey (00:45:01): I don't have one picture even. Rachel Casey (00:45:05): And my dad had made a note the day before that he was impressed with my drinking. Rachel Casey (00:45:13): And that was... Rachel Casey (00:45:17): two months before I got sober. Rachel Casey (00:45:18): And I was like, wait a minute. Rachel Casey (00:45:21): If he's impressed with my drinking, something is severely wrong. Rachel Casey (00:45:26): And that was kind of the planted of the seed. Rachel Casey (00:45:30): And then grandma passing away was another. Rachel Casey (00:45:33): And I mean, after her funeral, I just, I had, I couldn't handle it. Rachel Casey (00:45:37): I tried so hard not to drink that trip too. Rachel Casey (00:45:39): Cause I went to California to go Rachel Casey (00:45:41): into Santa Monica, which made me miss her a lot. Rachel Casey (00:45:45): And, uh, cause I used to go there every summer and, uh, yeah, I, I couldn't handle it. Rachel Casey (00:45:52): I'm surprised they let me on the airplane, to be honest. Rachel Casey (00:45:53): I was done. Rachel Casey (00:45:56): Those pictures are bad. Rachel Casey (00:45:59): Well, yeah. Rachel Casey (00:45:59): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:46:01): But it keeps me sober, to be honest. Rachel Casey (00:46:03): So on the newsletter, I know that you guys have, your podcast is fantastic. Rachel Casey (00:46:09): Oh, thanks. Rachel Casey (00:46:10): I'm going to share it. Rachel Casey (00:46:11): I already have the logo I downloaded off your site. Rachel Casey (00:46:15): And I love the purple. Rachel Casey (00:46:17): It's so simple, yet it's gravitating. Rachel Casey (00:46:21): I just love the color. Rachel Casey (00:46:24): I like both of y'all's website. Rachel Casey (00:46:26): I like that you each individually, because you're both medium separately. Rachel Casey (00:46:30): Right. Rachel Casey (00:46:31): Right. Rachel Casey (00:46:31): But have you done any together or no? Sarah Rathke (00:46:35): We have. Sarah Rathke (00:46:37): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:46:38): But, but we have, we have done links together before too as well. Rachel Casey (00:46:43): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:46:44): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:46:44): It's yeah. Rachel Casey (00:46:46): I feel like it would be hard when someone you're close with it. Rachel Casey (00:46:49): It's kind of like the same of, Rachel Casey (00:46:50): I was always told, Rachel Casey (00:46:52): you know, Rachel Casey (00:46:52): never sell like a big item, Rachel Casey (00:46:53): like a car to a friend. Rachel Casey (00:46:55): Like, Rachel Casey (00:46:55): I feel like that would be like, Rachel Casey (00:46:56): don't never do therapy with, Rachel Casey (00:46:58): you know, Rachel Casey (00:46:59): someone you're good friends with. Rachel Casey (00:47:00): I think mediums I'd be like, if I know you too well, I don't want to, what, what if I get a reading? Rachel Casey (00:47:06): I don't want to tell you. Rachel Casey (00:47:09): And now you're like, Sarah Rathke (00:47:11): Well, it's nice having friends as mediums because you can ask them all the time. Sarah Rathke (00:47:16): Hey, can you check into this for me? Sarah Rathke (00:47:18): Hey, did I get the right feeling? Sarah Rathke (00:47:20): Was that my intuition? Sarah Rathke (00:47:22): Is that what you're getting about this situation? Sarah Rathke (00:47:24): Or what if they don't agree with it, though? Sarah Rathke (00:47:28): Has that happened? Jane Morgan (00:47:31): it lines up that lines up pretty well yeah we just did it yesterday sarah's running Jane Morgan (00:47:36): something by me and i was running something by her and she just told me exactly Rachel Casey (00:47:39): what to do like like that's a part of honesty in the mediumship like if you're not Rachel Casey (00:47:45): if you're really true to your core honest you know the feedback i've felt never Rachel Casey (00:47:50): gotten in a fight sober and people are like well how do you i'm like anytime i've Rachel Casey (00:47:55): had a hard conversation especially with my husband um Rachel Casey (00:47:59): Or a sponsee where I'm like, I don't want to tell them that like, that's not what they should be doing. Rachel Casey (00:48:05): I feel that when I'm honest to my core, like I review and I'm like, I know what I'm saying. Rachel Casey (00:48:11): I never get bad feedback because it's honest. Sarah Rathke (00:48:15): Well, I mean, there is something about being in alignment and being in the truth. Sarah Rathke (00:48:20): Um, and that's the thing about not drinking. Sarah Rathke (00:48:23): I mean, Sarah Rathke (00:48:23): I remember when I was drinking, Sarah Rathke (00:48:25): it was always so fun going out, Sarah Rathke (00:48:28): having these conversations, Sarah Rathke (00:48:30): but none, Sarah Rathke (00:48:30): it was just like talking shit. Rachel Casey (00:48:33): I was, yeah, I didn't say nice. Rachel Casey (00:48:35): I had a lot of amends for things like I don't necessarily even remember saying. Sarah Rathke (00:48:38): Right. Sarah Rathke (00:48:39): And then the waking up the next morning is like, oh my God, what did I say? Sarah Rathke (00:48:42): Like, what do I need to be embarrassed about? Sarah Rathke (00:48:44): What do I need to go and apologize for? Sarah Rathke (00:48:47): Is there some backtracking that needs to happen? Rachel Casey (00:48:48): I'd have to go look at my text message and be like, why did I say that? Rachel Casey (00:48:51): Like, it was so unnecessary. Rachel Casey (00:48:53): Like I started drama just to start drama. Rachel Casey (00:48:57): Well, Sarah Rathke (00:48:57): There, that's the thing. Sarah Rathke (00:48:58): That's the thing. Sarah Rathke (00:48:59): Yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:49:00): And I feel like dealing in what Jane and I deal with when it really is just being Sarah Rathke (00:49:04): radically aligned with what is true. Sarah Rathke (00:49:07): What is true? Sarah Rathke (00:49:09): So, I mean, that's intuition. Sarah Rathke (00:49:11): Intuition is nothing but the truth for you. Sarah Rathke (00:49:14): There's nothing that is going to be untrue for you that you get through intuition. Sarah Rathke (00:49:18): It's always going to be in alignment with your truth. Sarah Rathke (00:49:21): So... Sarah Rathke (00:49:23): I do not think I mean, Sarah Rathke (00:49:25): so for me, Sarah Rathke (00:49:26): it was pretty actually easy giving up alcohol because being intoxicated, Sarah Rathke (00:49:32): being having that sway in my judgment was not there was no alignment in it for me. Rachel Casey (00:49:38): so um well there might have been maybe a little bit but i'm sure it's like you know Rachel Casey (00:49:42): the chemical and it just sways like i think there were times maybe but again it's Rachel Casey (00:49:47): the embellishment it's the making it so much bigger than what it needs to be or is Rachel Casey (00:49:52): um yeah i can totally but yeah i think that was what bill's big point too was like Rachel Casey (00:50:00): when he talks about that moral inventory of Rachel Casey (00:50:04): I think somewhere it's, Rachel Casey (00:50:05): you know, Rachel Casey (00:50:06): you're as sick as your secrets and is making sure like you're authentically honest. Rachel Casey (00:50:11): And again, that's, those are the things in sobriety I didn't know I'd learn. Rachel Casey (00:50:18): Like I thought it would just be this boring life and it's like anything but. Sarah Rathke (00:50:25): Do you know who Martha Beck is? Sarah Rathke (00:50:29): I do not. Sarah Rathke (00:50:31): Martha Beck? Sarah Rathke (00:50:32): Martha Beck. Sarah Rathke (00:50:33): I feel like she's like a spiritual teacher, like a spiritual type guru. Sarah Rathke (00:50:38): And she wrote this book called The Way of Integrity. Sarah Rathke (00:50:40): And she came to it. Sarah Rathke (00:50:43): She was married. Sarah Rathke (00:50:44): She was a Mormon. Sarah Rathke (00:50:46): She had this life of like, this is what it has to look like. Sarah Rathke (00:50:51): This is what you have to achieve. Sarah Rathke (00:50:52): She was like a Harvard PhD. Sarah Rathke (00:50:54): Yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:50:55): living this life very much in this constrained box and she was very sick very ill Sarah Rathke (00:51:01): she had autoimmune stuff that was making her unable to move she was really really Sarah Rathke (00:51:07): suffering and she had this epiphany i need to speak the truth i'm going to do one Sarah Rathke (00:51:13): year solid everything that comes out of my mouth is going to be absolutely the Sarah Rathke (00:51:18): truth i'm not going to Sarah Rathke (00:51:20): say any white lies. Sarah Rathke (00:51:20): I'm not going to say anything to make anybody else comfortable. Sarah Rathke (00:51:23): You know, it's going to be 100% my truth. Sarah Rathke (00:51:27): And she radically within that year changed absolutely everything in her life. Sarah Rathke (00:51:33): Like she ended up, she's now, she's gay. Sarah Rathke (00:51:36): She's got this huge... Sarah Rathke (00:51:39): She just followed what her path was supposed to be. Sarah Rathke (00:51:43): And it was because of living in alignment with her truth. Rachel Casey (00:51:48): So it feels better. Rachel Casey (00:51:49): I mean, Rachel Casey (00:51:50): I literally can't explain how or the best way I would explain is like, Rachel Casey (00:51:54): you know, Rachel Casey (00:51:54): the weights at the gym. Rachel Casey (00:51:56): It's like. Rachel Casey (00:51:58): It doesn't sound like a lot, Rachel Casey (00:51:59): but when you have 10, Rachel Casey (00:52:00): 10 pound weights come off of like, Rachel Casey (00:52:02): you've been just carrying it. Rachel Casey (00:52:04): Yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:52:04): A lot of weights. Rachel Casey (00:52:05): It might not look like a lot when you're like, Rachel Casey (00:52:08): Oh, Rachel Casey (00:52:09): this one truth was really, Rachel Casey (00:52:10): but when it starts adding up, Rachel Casey (00:52:12): it's so much. Sarah Rathke (00:52:14): And it's the truth to yourself too. Sarah Rathke (00:52:17): Like what, what truths are you telling, you know, are you speaking truth to yourself? Rachel Casey (00:52:22): That's where meditation is big for me. Sarah Rathke (00:52:24): Yeah, that's beautiful. Rachel Casey (00:52:26): That's where I go in. Rachel Casey (00:52:29): And I do like guided. Rachel Casey (00:52:30): I have ADHD, man. Rachel Casey (00:52:32): Like I can't get there in the beginning. Rachel Casey (00:52:34): I need someone to count the breath. Rachel Casey (00:52:36): And then I go silent. Rachel Casey (00:52:38): But I do, I will get too distracted. Rachel Casey (00:52:41): I'm like, I've started doing shower meditations, which are awesome. Rachel Casey (00:52:45): um but anyway yeah anyways meditation was that step 11 in the big book and um again Rachel Casey (00:52:53): another inference that bill does say go seek people that have more information than Rachel Casey (00:52:59): me go talk to your pastor go talk to the rabbi go there is plenty of information Rachel Casey (00:53:06): um that you know he also talks about going and carrying the message he was like go Rachel Casey (00:53:10): up to the hospital he's like they're they'll give you I mean obviously HIPAA but Rachel Casey (00:53:15): you know he's like you're the doctor probably knows more alcoholics than you know Rachel Casey (00:53:18): you know the priest the pastor and Rachel Casey (00:53:22): I think the other note of the anonymity and how it started, the book is how it started. Rachel Casey (00:53:30): 100 men had recovered. Rachel Casey (00:53:31): That's what the initial book of alcoholics, it was the first 100 men, not women. Sarah Rathke (00:53:39): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:53:39): Men had recovered. Rachel Casey (00:53:41): And now in the fourth edition, it says thousands. Rachel Casey (00:53:45): So... Rachel Casey (00:53:47): And that was after, and that was a big, big edit going from a hundred to a thousand. Rachel Casey (00:53:53): I mean, and you have people just yapping and arguing over traditions. Rachel Casey (00:53:57): And if you want to see people fight over a paint color of the same yellows, go to a group conscience. Rachel Casey (00:54:04): It's a lot of fun. Rachel Casey (00:54:06): I'm like, oh no, but it also saved my life. Rachel Casey (00:54:10): So, I mean, Rachel Casey (00:54:12): I don't know. Rachel Casey (00:54:12): I don't know if I would have been alive if it weren't for what Bill's, the book, I love. Rachel Casey (00:54:18): I mean, I study it in and out. Rachel Casey (00:54:22): I listened, I found his talks and he's a funny guy. Rachel Casey (00:54:27): And if you, studying the big book, you can see so much humor. Rachel Casey (00:54:31): Like even when he talks about the, Rachel Casey (00:54:33): more about alcoholism, Rachel Casey (00:54:35): the guy who goes into work on a Tuesday and you know, Rachel Casey (00:54:37): that was a joke because he was too hungover to go in Monday. Rachel Casey (00:54:41): you know, and there's like these very little things that he adds and it's, it's nice. Rachel Casey (00:54:48): I know we're kind of running on time and I know, can you tell me maybe a little bit about the newsletter? Sarah Rathke (00:54:54): Oh, just go to the mediumcurious.com and you can just sign up on the mediumcurious.com website. Rachel Casey (00:55:02): I think it's great that you guys have a newsletter. Rachel Casey (00:55:04): I know that you guys also, Rachel Casey (00:55:05): I saw, Rachel Casey (00:55:06): you can book a meeting over Zoom if someone wanted to reach out and say, Rachel Casey (00:55:09): hey, Rachel Casey (00:55:09): they want to have a reading. Rachel Casey (00:55:10): You guys will meet on Zoom, correct? Rachel Casey (00:55:13): So it could be anyone, anywhere. Sarah Rathke (00:55:15): Anywhere, anywhere in the world. Rachel Casey (00:55:17): Obviously you have to do time zones, but you know. Sarah Rathke (00:55:21): Yeah, Spirit does not need to be in person because it is not in person. Sarah Rathke (00:55:25): Yeah. Sarah Rathke (00:55:26): And then just pick out our podcast because then you can hear all of these other... Sarah Rathke (00:55:32): cool stories about yeah I feel like they're amazing mediums yeah I think it's so Rachel Casey (00:55:38): cool what y'all do and it's not necessarily like a sobriety focus so if you're Rachel Casey (00:55:43): listening and you know you're like oh it's only this is not their podcast is not a Rachel Casey (00:55:49): sobriety they are both sober but it is just a medium of Rachel Casey (00:55:54): podcast so if you have someone like you're like oh they can't do it because they're Rachel Casey (00:55:58): so you know not sober that's not what it is it's there is kind of different we just Rachel Casey (00:56:04): kind of did a collab because we do have this commonality but it doesn't have um Rachel Casey (00:56:10): sober banter is more on the sober side. Rachel Casey (00:56:12): The medium curious is for those who are curious about mediums and curious about sobriety. Rachel Casey (00:56:18): And we're just kind of for, I thought Friday the 13th, how beautiful to come together. Sarah Rathke (00:56:23): I just realized it was Friday the 13th. Sarah Rathke (00:56:26): Oh my goodness. Sarah Rathke (00:56:26): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:56:28): Friday the 13th, my father-in-law, 13 is his favorite number. Rachel Casey (00:56:31): So he thinks today's his like lucky day and that's now how I look at it. Rachel Casey (00:56:35): Go buy some lottery tickets, right? Rachel Casey (00:56:37): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:56:37): It's all positive perspectives. Rachel Casey (00:56:40): I'm, yeah, I think this was great. Rachel Casey (00:56:43): So I'm going to have links to everything in... Rachel Casey (00:56:46): the bio um so i'll i'm going to try and do if i can like even the embedded and i'll Rachel Casey (00:56:51): tag you on substack too sarah i didn't know if you had a substack or not no okay i Sarah Rathke (00:56:57): i someday i'll write but Rachel Casey (00:57:00): Well, they're doing now, they're doing podcasting and video now on Substack and it's doing fairly well. Rachel Casey (00:57:06): Wow. Rachel Casey (00:57:07): I didn't know that. Rachel Casey (00:57:08): But I mean, everyone expands, right? Rachel Casey (00:57:10): Like there's always gotta be a, Rachel Casey (00:57:12): I hope that our little sober banter doesn't go too much further than what we are Rachel Casey (00:57:16): right now. Rachel Casey (00:57:17): Like, Rachel Casey (00:57:18): I love this. Rachel Casey (00:57:19): I love that we've gotten to connect. Rachel Casey (00:57:21): Thank you guys so much. Sarah Rathke (00:57:23): One thing about podcasting, it really is fun to connect. Sarah Rathke (00:57:26): I mean, it's just like this cool little universe. Sarah Rathke (00:57:32): It really is. Sarah Rathke (00:57:32): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:57:33): And I've learned in the sobriety podcasting world, Rachel Casey (00:57:37): it's even nicer because everyone is, Rachel Casey (00:57:39): I haven't had any negative experiences. Rachel Casey (00:57:43): experiences like you know even reschedules or conflicts it's all been oh hey yeah Rachel Casey (00:57:50): no big deal like yeah you know again we're all sober working we don't take life too Rachel Casey (00:57:55): seriously um and it's it's just been nice i've i interned for a podcast and that's Rachel Casey (00:58:02): not so much in the sports world you know they're more competing with each other i Rachel Casey (00:58:06): don't feel that with sobriety podcasts i don't feel like oh you're gonna Rachel Casey (00:58:11): steal my listeners or anything like that. Rachel Casey (00:58:13): Like we're all just like sharing the message. Rachel Casey (00:58:15): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:58:15): Carry the message. Rachel Casey (00:58:17): So I'm, I'm hoping that people come. Rachel Casey (00:58:19): You're winning. Rachel Casey (00:58:21): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:58:22): Hey, listen, I bet the meetings in Hawaii are amazing. Rachel Casey (00:58:25): I can't even imagine like that's, that has to be spiritual. Rachel Casey (00:58:30): I can, at least that's what I would think. Rachel Casey (00:58:32): So maybe not. Jane Morgan (00:58:33): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:58:34): I go to a meeting on the beach and on Sunday mornings, it's very special. Jane Morgan (00:58:38): I mean, it's so beautiful everywhere. Jane Morgan (00:58:40): Yeah. Rachel Casey (00:58:41): I hope that some people reach out and they want to have a reading or at least follow the newsletter. Rachel Casey (00:58:46): It's really... I'll be following. Rachel Casey (00:58:48): I'm like already... Rachel Casey (00:58:50): I'm excited. Rachel Casey (00:58:51): I already bookmarked it. Rachel Casey (00:58:53): So if you saw people, someone on Spotify, follow and save, that was me. Rachel Casey (00:58:56): I gave five stars. Rachel Casey (00:58:57): So I was like, thank you. Rachel Casey (00:59:00): And back to you. Jane Morgan (00:59:01): Your podcast is really fun. Jane Morgan (00:59:03): I love listening to it, getting to know you guys. Jane Morgan (00:59:05): Yeah. Jane Morgan (00:59:06): It's very special. Jane Morgan (00:59:07): So thanks for having us. Sarah Rathke (00:59:09): I think the couple dynamic is what I just love. Sarah Rathke (00:59:12): I just love that so much. Rachel Casey (00:59:13): Super fun. Rachel Casey (00:59:15): I like when I edit and I hear back something he said and I'm like, I did not catch that. Rachel Casey (00:59:21): I'm like, Rachel Casey (00:59:22): like when he asked about when I talked about millennial socks and he's like, Rachel Casey (00:59:26): do you want people to like card you? Rachel Casey (00:59:28): And I'm like, no, well, no. Rachel Casey (00:59:30): And I didn't even hear him say that. Rachel Casey (00:59:32): Just like, oh, he's funny. Rachel Casey (00:59:35): He's, he's quick. Rachel Casey (00:59:36): He's quick. Rachel Casey (00:59:37): It's adorable. Rachel Casey (00:59:38): And I will tell him thank you today because it was harder setting up without him. Rachel Casey (00:59:41): So, um, I learned something today too. Rachel Casey (00:59:44): And appreciation. Rachel Casey (00:59:45): Yep. Rachel Casey (00:59:46): Those husbands would love to be appreciated. Rachel Casey (00:59:48): That's always true. Rachel Casey (00:59:50): I know. Rachel Casey (00:59:50): And I, I should do it more, but there is, you know, there's a lot. Rachel Casey (00:59:55): I'm kidding. Rachel Casey (00:59:55): Thank you guys again. Rachel Casey (00:59:56): Thank you guys for listening to Super Banter. Rachel Casey (01:00:00): And yeah, I'm curious. Rachel Casey (01:00:02): Sarah Jane, you have just been a pleasure. Rachel Casey (01:00:04): Thank you so much. Rachel Casey (01:00:07): Thank you, Rachel. Sarah Rathke (01:00:08): I don't know. Rachel Casey (01:00:09): I do the awkward.