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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Chris and I am Kyle.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when Wesley fills in for me or Jeff, he

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<v Speaker 1>calls it the platinum edition.

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<v Speaker 2>Heard that, Yeah, I have yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Kyle, you are the side who sits in

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<v Speaker 1>one of us are out.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you I'm gonna put you on the spot, right, Kyle?

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<v Speaker 1>What edition is it? When you are here in.

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<v Speaker 2>This dude calling himself the platinum platinum Edition? Doesn't that

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<v Speaker 2>seem fitting for Wesley? But for me? I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 2>because he got a radio voice. Yeah, and also like

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<v Speaker 2>he just is that guy. He's platinum. He's cool. I

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<v Speaker 2>would say. For me, I feel like you and Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>are the gold Edition. I'm like the silver Edition. No,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny. So you're being out you take the humbler pros.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I just let what s he be platinum?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take silver.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all right, all right, I'll let you. I'll let

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<v Speaker 1>you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hey, everybody, Jeff is in Africa with US many comrades,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is having a great time doing mission work

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<v Speaker 1>for the Timothy Initiative. And so this week we have

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle And so today we are the Bible guys, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are in the middle of a series famous

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<v Speaker 1>sayings of Jesus. Now, this week actually has a theme,

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<v Speaker 1>and actually every week you're stuck to a theme, and

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<v Speaker 1>this week's theme is Jesus and the Outsiders.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And honestly, that's a great theme because I think

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<v Speaker 2>that I think a lot of people maybe who will

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<v Speaker 2>listen to this or skeptical, this can be a motivational,

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<v Speaker 2>inspiring week for them.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, we look at these stories totally agree. But

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<v Speaker 1>before we dive into that, because the saying, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is neither do I condemn? Is the saying that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus made a famous sing. But before we dive into that,

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<v Speaker 1>Desiree has actually given to us a segment that I

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoy because it involves a great story that's outlandish,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am sort of known to have outlandish stories

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<v Speaker 1>at times. Yeah, and so this segment is called I

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe that actually happened? And she writes it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a while since we've had Kyle with us, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>get to know her a little more.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw see that the notes her, I'm like, who

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<v Speaker 2>is her? Okay, well, and I'm not revealing anything.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Kyle tell a story that's so weird or random,

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<v Speaker 1>people think it's made up, and let's stick away. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>try to shy away from her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, that was weird. I saw that too, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I think that was a hopefully a mistype. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that actually happened. One thing that many

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<v Speaker 2>people don't know about me, and it's has a relation

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<v Speaker 2>to my family. That's a little strange. So I and

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<v Speaker 2>my parents been married for over forty years. They've been

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<v Speaker 2>together since they were high school sweethearts. They've been together

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<v Speaker 2>the whole my entire life obviously. So I have a

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<v Speaker 2>sister who's three years older than me, a brother who's

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<v Speaker 2>a year older than me. Then my parents had a

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<v Speaker 2>break and having kids. I have a sister who's ten

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<v Speaker 2>years younger than me. Then my parents had a crazy

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<v Speaker 2>long break, and I have little brothers who are currently

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen years old, which means that but what ended up

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<v Speaker 2>happening was my parents ended up coming to us on

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<v Speaker 2>like a lunch one day and we're like, hey, we

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<v Speaker 2>need to meet up. We need to like talk about something.

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<v Speaker 2>We thought like there's bad news coming. Turns out my

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<v Speaker 2>parents were pregnant again for and then they revealed that

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<v Speaker 2>it was not only yea, so my parents, well, my

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<v Speaker 2>mom was pregnant, but they're they're pregnant with twins, which

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, Kristen, my wife was pregnant, and

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<v Speaker 2>my sister was pregnant and my sister in law. So

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<v Speaker 2>think about this, that's uh yeah too, yes, yea, so

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<v Speaker 2>my my wife, my sister in law, and my sister

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<v Speaker 2>were all pregnant at the same time that my mom

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<v Speaker 2>was pregnant with twins. Wow. So my So that means

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<v Speaker 2>that my little brothers are uncles to uh, basically my

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter who's basically the same age. So it's very strong.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the family at AMIC is very strange.

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<v Speaker 1>So that when they get older, they'll be talking to

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<v Speaker 1>somebody exactly the same age yes, say hey uncle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, one hundred percent, and they still do it. They'll say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to listen to me. I'm your uncle, even

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<v Speaker 2>though they're basically the same age.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, our family. If you ever, if you were

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<v Speaker 2>to see photos of our family, it's a little confusing because, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, where did the twins come from? Like those

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<v Speaker 2>those are my parents' twins. Like it's it's it's strange.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you are, how old?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm thirty nine years old? Thirty nine, sixteen year old?

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<v Speaker 2>Little brother sixteen year old?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Ye? How old is your older brother? How many years.

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<v Speaker 2>He's uh, he's one year older than me, oh older brother,

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<v Speaker 2>the oldest child? Oh sorry, she is forty two, forty two,

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<v Speaker 2>forty two, sixteenth Yeah, no, wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's a that's a huge spread.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So my parents were forty five ish when they

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<v Speaker 2>found out that they were pregnant. So whenever I meet

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who was like, oh, that ship is sailed, we

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<v Speaker 2>can't have kids anymore, I'm like, huh, never saying every

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<v Speaker 2>it could happen to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, that's amazing, Yeah, it's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. My mom actually had five boys in the span

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<v Speaker 1>of eight years. Wow. And uh, and so that that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty gamm And so Chucky and Donnie are literally like

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four weeks apart, and then they took a little

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<v Speaker 1>break actually, like it sounds funny to say there's a

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<v Speaker 1>break there, then Tommy sort of sits in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>by himself. Then there's a four year window. Then then

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<v Speaker 1>my brother Jimmy and I were only fifty three weeks apart.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>And so back to back, right, So she had two

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<v Speaker 1>five kids in eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, five boys. And ed's wild to think about that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably just loud and broke things broken all the

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<v Speaker 1>That means there's a decade in pregnancy. Yeah, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about this too. I actually did a funeral.

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<v Speaker 1>I officiated a funeral just like probably last week, and

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<v Speaker 1>they said this family had nineteen brothers and sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought to myself, I have never I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the largest I've ever heard. Yeah, I said, what

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<v Speaker 1>They said, no, it was natural nineteen Wow. Wow. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought those family reunions they're like, oh, we have like

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred cousins.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's all I mean, that's got to be

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<v Speaker 2>like thirty years of pregnancy here, right, Like that thirty years, like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's got to be right with nineteen kids, there's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be some space in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that was like the grandmother. So so yeah, by

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<v Speaker 1>the time it got down to the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids, there's oh my goodness, that's wow, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. Yeah. So that's something that is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>wild about me to find out that when people actually

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<v Speaker 2>my little brother Servetur at our Heritage Church Stony Creek campus.

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<v Speaker 2>People when I'll be like, hey, hey brother, hey bro,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of it's funny. It's kind of bizarre to see him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, Kyle, I agree that I can't believe that

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<v Speaker 1>actually happened. It happened, yeah, you know, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>what else I can't believe actually happened. What is this

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<v Speaker 1>story that we're about to.

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<v Speaker 2>Read here is wild?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the woman caught an adultrey. I can't believe, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that that they threw her in a public square just

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<v Speaker 1>to trap Jesus, I can't believe that actually happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe it either, but we're about to read

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<v Speaker 1>Well that you know, that's my bad transit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, okay, that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, hey, we're in John chapter number eighth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was, I was. I was expecting you to make

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<v Speaker 1>fun of my transition.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was good.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a decent transition.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that actually happened. I think it's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what the people were thinking at the

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So in John chapter eight, starting in verse one, says

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<v Speaker 2>this Jesus returned to the Mount of Olah. But early

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<v Speaker 2>the next morning he was back again at the temple.

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<v Speaker 2>A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them.

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<v Speaker 2>As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and

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<v Speaker 2>the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in

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<v Speaker 2>of the crowd. Teacher, they said to Jesus, this woman

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<v Speaker 2>was caught in the act of adultree. The law of Moses,

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<v Speaker 2>says to stone her, what do you say. They were

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<v Speaker 2>against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the

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<v Speaker 2>dust with his finger. They kept demanding an answer, So

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<v Speaker 2>he stood up again and said, all right, but let

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<v Speaker 2>the one who has never sinned throw the first stone.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust says.

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<v Speaker 2>When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one,

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<v Speaker 2>beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in

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<v Speaker 2>stood up again and said to the woman, where are

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<v Speaker 2>your accusers? Didn't even one of them condemn you? No life,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, And Jesus said, neither do I go and

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<v Speaker 2>sin know more. Yeah, period, that's amazing, that's very good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I believe that actually happened. I can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>And and it's a good thing that will happened because

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many life lessons in here from us. There's

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch of revelation about the heart of God,

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<v Speaker 1>about his view of sin versus, the value of the person,

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else. You know, I was just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>glancing down. I'm actually not using a life application study

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<v Speaker 1>Bible today. I'm using Transformation Study Behind Us by Warren Weersby.

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<v Speaker 1>And because I grabbed something off my shelf to be

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<v Speaker 1>honest with you, and I really like it. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>referring to verse number seven when Jesus said, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>but let the one who's never sinned for the first done.

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<v Speaker 1>It says this it was required by Jewish law that

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<v Speaker 1>the accusers cast the first stones, as found in Deutero

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<v Speaker 1>on Me seventeen seven. Jesus was not asking that the

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<v Speaker 1>sinless men judge the woman, for he was the only

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew five twenty seven through thirty Convicted by their own conscious,

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<v Speaker 1>alone with the woman. He forgave her and warned them

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<v Speaker 1>to sin no more and so again. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>let them cast the first known. Well, Jesus is the

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then he'sa then neither do I condict? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's incredible. So let's just talk about that for

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<v Speaker 1>just a minute. So Jesus is the only one who

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<v Speaker 1>you just wrote a message this weekend about forgiveness relating

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<v Speaker 1>to being the judge. Yeah, right, So you want to

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<v Speaker 1>give us a couple of sentences summary on what does

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is going to be talking. It does

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Jesus as well at the end for like

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<v Speaker 2>a salvation moment, but definitely tomorrow Romans twelve about not

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<v Speaker 2>paying evil with evil but instead to bless others. And

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<v Speaker 2>have been wrong to us. And we see time and

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<v Speaker 2>time he chose to forgive. We see that throughout all

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<v Speaker 2>of scripture, and then really at end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>even Jesus himself, when he's on the cross, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>forgive them, for they know not what they're doing. Like

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<v Speaker 2>at the very people who are beating him, torturing him,

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<v Speaker 2>they're about to kill him, and say, Father, forgive them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really beautiful picture. But I know for me,

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<v Speaker 2>like I think the thing that stands out as well

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<v Speaker 2>and truth. I know we tell you guys talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this a lot on the podcast, but I think if

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it's all grace, it's all love, it's all forgiveness,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all freedom. In that way, you can lean too far,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's all grace. Then you have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other camps where it's like all truth. It's like speak

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, say what's reality, call out sin, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's all those types of things. Jesus we see throughout

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<v Speaker 2>his ministry. It's it's like this perfect combination of grace

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<v Speaker 2>and truth at the right time, because he says, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just the fact that he would come and to her

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<v Speaker 2>defense is a beautifull picture of his grace. But at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time he ends by saying, now go and

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<v Speaker 2>sin no more, and to go and sin no more.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we know that. I mean she did go

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<v Speaker 2>and sin. We know that, like she she went, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure and found a way to sin in some way, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because nobody is sinless. Yes, she may have not committed

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<v Speaker 2>adults that sin, yes, yes, but yeah, of course yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think what he was showing there was that like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>but also this truth that we should be pursuing something better.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like she probably was in a position

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<v Speaker 2>committed that sin again because she got to witness the

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<v Speaker 2>absolute grace and love of Jesus himself. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>the only way she can go on without sinning is

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<v Speaker 2>once she realized the grace and truth you offer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful picture of our obedience. Because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've often said this, what is better obeying your parents

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<v Speaker 1>because you have to, or obeying your parents because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Want, oh my gosh, I want to if you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to disappoint them, and you love them and respect

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<v Speaker 1>them and agree with them, and so they say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do this, and you're like, absolutely, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to do that because I love them so much. When

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<v Speaker 1>you want to obey something, it takes away what the

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<v Speaker 1>chore of obedience. It takes away. In fact, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>even difficult at times, because the more you want to,

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<v Speaker 1>the less difficult it is to do that thing. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the same thing. So if you're motivated by

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<v Speaker 1>that I want to obey him. So when God does

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<v Speaker 1>say these are the things I want you to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the commandments, here's what I say about your behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>about your marriage, about your family business, the way that

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<v Speaker 1>you conduct your relationships. You know, your forgiveness, your reactions,

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<v Speaker 1>everything you should say. Absolutely, I want to do those

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else. So I think that it's a beautiful picture.

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<v Speaker 1>This woman represents us, doesn't she? And so? And just

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<v Speaker 1>what you said, it is this idea that she experiences

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<v Speaker 1>grace to such a degree to where that is her motivation.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd like to think that that's the reason why she's

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<v Speaker 1>never committed adultery. And it doesn't say so, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell us, right, we don't know. But and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that's also that's also a that's a great nuance to

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<v Speaker 1>Was Jesus really meaning go and be sinless? No, he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't right, and so go and sin no more? Could

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to take it literally, you can say

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<v Speaker 1>what Jesus was telling her to be sinless? No, he wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He was referring to the sin that she was caught.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And I think even maybe even holding her like hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you are redeemed, you are loved, you are protected now

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<v Speaker 2>he's kind of holding her own higher standard. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>always love there's a scripture that says that it's God's

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<v Speaker 2>kindness that leads us to repentance. I love that because

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<v Speaker 2>even growing up I didn't always think that way. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was like, you know, the fear of God,

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<v Speaker 1>Or the fear of the Baptist preacher.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I grew up with me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when you take that into consideration that it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually God's kindness, it's like, like you said, like with

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<v Speaker 2>the parenting thing, it's like the kind of like the

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to obey versus having to obey. So let me

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<v Speaker 2>ask you about the what was written on the sand?

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<v Speaker 2>With people ask you that before. I'm sure, Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 2>are your thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 1>So the bottom line is is nobody knows. This is

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<v Speaker 1>this is so fascinating because I've often heard Jeff say

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<v Speaker 1>God doesn't waste words. So every word in the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>is reported for a reason. So it goes out of

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<v Speaker 1>its way to say certain things, and you'd say, why

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<v Speaker 1>does it say that? Well, sometimes it's for context, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it's for historical accuracy. Sometimes it's you know, to let

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<v Speaker 1>us know all these different things. But in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sort of not. I haven't decided why did God

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<v Speaker 1>put that in there? Right? Like, why the world did

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<v Speaker 1>God say Jesus wrote in the sand? Other than we

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<v Speaker 1>know that that played a part in the story. It

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<v Speaker 1>played a part in the in the in the dramatization accusation.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be that maybe what he was writing was

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<v Speaker 1>the law, right, Maybe he was writing something to Deuteronomy, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of theory about that, and it

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<v Speaker 1>could be that he was.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, I know this is speculation, but I've always

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<v Speaker 2>had this kind of cool speculation just to wonder what. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, and it's it's a great debate among four one Christians. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>little advanced through one four one four one is when

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<v Speaker 1>you're diving into the Bible and you're like, hey, let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about this. So I think that I think

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<v Speaker 1>that in the end that's going to be a popular question,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you agree?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so too, And I just I find

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<v Speaker 2>it interesting that it says that the oldest, and that

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<v Speaker 2>It talks about how the oldest left first, Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>all the way to the youngest. So some so, I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard people speculate that there's a possibility that Jesus was

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<v Speaker 2>writing the sins of the men that were there and

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<v Speaker 2>then they slowly started leaving, or I've even heard because

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<v Speaker 2>had the most life experience, and you want to believe

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<v Speaker 2>Another thought would be that he started off and started

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<v Speaker 2>listing certain sins, and those who were the oldest they

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<v Speaker 2>felt guilty of those sins because they've been there, done that,

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<v Speaker 2>where the youngest felt like righteous and proud of themselves

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<v Speaker 2>and then slowly got to like their sins, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Wouldn't it be crazy if we get to heaven

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<v Speaker 1>and we find out that Jesus was merely doodling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, drawing pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's just yeah, he's a yeah, drawing pictures or whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe he's just you know, doodling in the sand,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's just writing something in the sand that has

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<v Speaker 1>in the very act. So the very act needs it's

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<v Speaker 1>quite possible that she was indecent, Yes, yes, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>she could be naked, humiliated, she could have had a

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<v Speaker 1>blanket around her or something, but who knows. So here

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<v Speaker 1>she's thrown down in the middle of the courtyard and

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly ignored, like the man's not even a part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't talk to her, she doesn't speak, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>even address her. And all they do is talk to Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>And here she is a bystander on the ground, waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for this sentence by these by conspharisees. And and so

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<v Speaker 1>you think yourself, man, that's just incredible and so and so,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're so heated and they want to trap Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus could have been doodling and he could have just

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<v Speaker 1>had this tactic where they're waiting on his response and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Hun, didn't right, yeah, I never thought about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden he stands up and

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<v Speaker 1>gives this dramatic answer like he always does. That just

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<v Speaker 1>causes them to, you know, their minds are blown. And

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<v Speaker 1>then then he stoops back down.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like you right, and they were just like, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dropping a stone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I've actually thought that often. I've actually thought that

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<v Speaker 1>even when I was younger.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he wasn't in a rush to judge. He's just like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, well, and Ron, is that.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why my brain goes there is I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>movie guy, and and and I think that maybe sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I play it out in real time. I

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<v Speaker 1>try to imagine, like, what was that scene? Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it could have been that way where they're waiting

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<v Speaker 1>anxiously and and and they're surprised that he's not as

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<v Speaker 1>upset as they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, that's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he drops the truth bomb y and it

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<v Speaker 1>just goes back down to doodling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I just love that, Like you mentioned earlier, God

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't waste words, and God doesn't waste his story, and

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<v Speaker 2>this story is I'm so thankful it's included in the

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<v Speaker 2>Holy scriptures that people are able to read, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>every single and have access to because I know this

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<v Speaker 2>has been my story at points in life. And I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 2>we have many listeners who have had this moment. But

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, even early college years, I was a part

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<v Speaker 2>of a young adult ministry where I just wasn't I

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<v Speaker 2>was new to scripture, I was new to like loving

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<v Speaker 2>the person of Jesus and the Bible and whatnot, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was still having the old you know, the old

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<v Speaker 2>life in me and all those things. And I ended

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<v Speaker 2>up doing something pretty stupid actually in my young adult

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<v Speaker 2>ministry that honestly thought, well, I'm not going to go

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<v Speaker 2>back to that church anymore. I'm not going to go

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<v Speaker 2>back to that community of people anymore, because I felt

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<v Speaker 2>so condemned, I felt rejected. I felt all the things,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not nearly low what this woman is experiencing,

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<v Speaker 2>but some of the same shame of the religiosity. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I remember eventually after a few weeks going back

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<v Speaker 2>to that church, and then as I've gotten older and

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<v Speaker 2>more mature and grown in my faith and understanding of

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ, I just realized that there's so many it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably millions and millions of people who feel that way.

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<v Speaker 2>They feel that shame, they feel like the thing they've

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<v Speaker 2>done is like too far, and there's no way Christians

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<v Speaker 2>and especially there's no way God could ever forgive them.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just love this story for that reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you'd mentioned before that Jesus demonstrates both truth and grace,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's talk about that for a minute. So John

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<v Speaker 1>chapter one, verse seventeen, Jesus says, Moses brought the law,

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<v Speaker 1>but I bring truth and grace. And so he's announcing

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<v Speaker 1>that he brings these two dynamics with him. And so

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<v Speaker 1>when we say truth, it's hard to see that word

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<v Speaker 1>in a negative light. But if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>anybody can abuse truth. You can't handle the truth right,

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<v Speaker 1>So anybody can abuse true things. You know, it could

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<v Speaker 1>be hard truth, it could be you know, condemning, judging,

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<v Speaker 1>and those things could be true. But just think of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Think of the people on Facebook who type in all

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<v Speaker 1>caps right, what they're saying isn't necessarily wrong. They could

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<v Speaker 1>be right. But you know, as as my friend and

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<v Speaker 1>former pastor Andy Stanley once said, what's your goal in life?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you you want to be right? Or do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to make a different right you want to Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to just be right all the time, or

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<v Speaker 1>do you actually want to make a difference in people's

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<v Speaker 1>lives with being right, and so there's there's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>way to be right and not make a difference and

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<v Speaker 1>actually hurt. And so yeah, so you could walk around,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like those old cultured churches that you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be that a lot of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>those kinds of churches say are actually true. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just that they're not leveraging the true in the

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<v Speaker 1>right way. It's like it's like the guy on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the street corner in New York who

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<v Speaker 1>preaches the end is coming, but he can't take a

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<v Speaker 1>shower or take a bath, and it's like, how how

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<v Speaker 1>many converts does he have? A little the total up

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<v Speaker 1>carry the zero zero, right, And so it's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>effective even though that what he might say might actually

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<v Speaker 1>be true, right, the end is near. Well yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a that's a good truth. Right. So but there's a

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<v Speaker 1>way to be effective.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I did witness that a few

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<v Speaker 2>years back. I remember going and it was in downtown Detroit,

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<v Speaker 2>and I heard somebody with the bullhorn type thing preaching,

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<v Speaker 2>standing on some soap but type thing, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>everybody just avoided like just a sort like got away.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember just being almost embarrassed to be like

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<v Speaker 2>connected to that because I'm like, yeah, there's probably some

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<v Speaker 2>truth to what he's saying there, repents, you know, turn

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<v Speaker 2>I get all that stuff, But like I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I that is not what I what I see with Jesus. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, John the Baptist had some of those moments,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but at the same time you see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just I remember just being like, this is not something

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<v Speaker 2>that should be people should be repulsed by. They should

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<v Speaker 2>be on to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. Well, Jesus said, this is how people

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<v Speaker 1>will know your disciples, you the way you love one another.

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<v Speaker 1>So we leverage the truth in love, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus did. So it's another way to say grace. Grace

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<v Speaker 1>is a form of love. And so Jesus is never

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<v Speaker 1>going to back down from the truth. So he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to say, then go and sin no more. He's going

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<v Speaker 1>to say he's against adultery. He's going to say you

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<v Speaker 1>know that he hates sin. He's never going to back

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<v Speaker 1>down for those truths. But he's going to leverage his relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>his power, his authority, his messiah ship, all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>his right to be the judge he's leveraging all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's extending grace and love. And so it's an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing thing to think that Jesus gives both truth and grace. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did it in his interactions oftentimes with people

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bible. And guess what he does it to you,

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<v Speaker 1>He does it to me. Jesus brings truth and grace.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're out there and you feel sorry for

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<v Speaker 1>your sin, guess what, that's a good thing. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing to feel guilt for your sin. But God

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't intend us to live in guilt after the purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of guilt has served itself, because the purpose of guilt

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<v Speaker 1>is for us to turn or to repent, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what the word repent means. By the way, just to turn,

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<v Speaker 1>to confess means to agree. And so therefore we agree

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<v Speaker 1>with God. We turn from our ways, we turn from

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<v Speaker 1>our life thinking. And what do we do once guilt

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<v Speaker 1>has served its purpose? God never intends us to live

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<v Speaker 1>in that guilt. That guilt has served its purpose, and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore we drop the guilt, because why the Bible says

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<v Speaker 1>in the Book of Romans, there is no condemnation for

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<v Speaker 1>those who are in Christ Jesus. So guilt is a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing as it turns us to God. That then

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<v Speaker 1>guilt then is a bad thing. And so so many

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<v Speaker 1>times in our lives have you ever met people like this?

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<v Speaker 1>They were guilt as a badge of honor. They punish themselves. Right, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I deserve to be a miserable person for the bad

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<v Speaker 1>things I've done. Well, that's not what God would say.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And I know you probably want to wrap up

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<v Speaker 2>when I add one more thought here because you said

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<v Speaker 2>condemnation made me think it is your minder that coniction

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<v Speaker 2>can come or does come from a holy spirit. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing. When you feel convicted of sin, that

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<v Speaker 2>is a that should be a good thing, should have

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<v Speaker 2>caused you to turn or repent, that's a holy spirit thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Condemnation is from the enemy. That's when you're condemning yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else is condemning you. And so I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that that's that's a powerful reminder. You know, conviction is

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing. Condemnation is not a good That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>when you start going down that that that negative path.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's great, that's awesome. That's a great ending thought.

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<v Speaker 1>So hey, we will see you next time, hopefully on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, see you, mhm h