Mike Bifulco: Hello, hello and welcome to APIs you Won't Hate.
My name is Mike Fulco.
Your effervescent and ever present host of the show.
Today I am flying solo and having a chat with actually a friend of mine.
Locally here in my hometown of Charlotte who I've known for a while now.
And we're, we're gonna talk a bit about what he is working on, a bit
about how he got there and you know, some of the backstory of that stuff.
So I'm very excited to talk to today.
Drew White.
Drew, How's it going, man?
Drew White: Hey Mike.
How are you?
Doing good today.
Mike Bifulco: I'm good.
I'm good.
We have a lot of things to talk about.
I'm really interested to hear your whole story and talk a little bit
about stash pad where you, you have been laying down your lines
of code of late among other things.
Yeah, and I think we, we'll kind of get into all those things.
In particular, like anything to do with building en engineering teams and all
that is always interesting around here.
Drew, tell me about yourself.
How did we meet?
Let's start there
Drew White: this is actually, I feel like it was kismet if I can use that word.
Yeah.
So I'm a cyclist as you guys probably know, Mike is as well.
And I was riding with a buddy on a local Greenway, and Mike was riding one
of the most esoteric bikes that I feel like only a handful of local cyclists
probably even know what they are.
But I saw it was like, Hey.
Is that a such and such?
And he was like, Yeah, how did you, like, it was just like a, a sort of thing.
And so we kind of met on the, the Greenway had a small little
conversation and then later I had a.
Set of wheels for sale.
I, I believe, And you responded to the post.
I don't think I realized it was you until you came to pick up the
wheels and bought them and Yeah.
So like that whole thing and then, yeah, just started riding like morning greenway
grabbing coffee, that sort of thing.
And that was a couple years ago now,
Mike Bifulco: it was during the dark days of the pandemic for sure.
You know, when, when we were not doing much indoor stuff,
definitely a bit of kismet there.
And I, I think if I remember like the space between bumping into each
other for the first time and then me contacting you on Facebook marketplace
to buy wheels when I needed them was like days to a week at most.
Drew White: I think it was two days.
I think it was two days.
Mike Bifulco: a very strange back to back set of coincidences that I'm,
you know, frankly pretty grateful for.
Drew White: And I am too
Mike Bifulco: Yeah, of course.
We've talked about, you know, tons of writing stuff ever since, of course.
And coffee seems to come up fairly often and you, you have similar tastes
in design and all that other stuff too.
So it's been super cool to kind of get to know you here.
And what's been really cool to see over the past few years is like
you've done a complete full on career.
Like I, I, a pivot is not even fair.
Like you've done an absolute like SUEx to your working world.
Tell me a little bit about your working history.
Like what, what have you done and what are you doing?
Drew White: Yeah, so I've kind of taken a non-traditional
path into the working world.
I kind of started in finance for the first two years out of school.
I did not go to college.
Just really wasn't my, I attempted, but really wasn't my thing.
So jumped into finance for a couple of years and then spent the.
I don't know, decade or so in aerospace.
Started kind of at the bottom of sort of midsize company and worked
my way up to marketing director.
And so from there, pivoted out of that into starting my own marketing
agency which I did smack Deb in the middle of the pandemic right
around the time that I met you.
And what's interesting is I had been, You know, fascinated with the developer
world for a couple years at that point.
But really hadn't made it like a high priority on my,
I tend to accumulate hobbies.
So it kind of fell to the bottom of the stack.
And then I met you and we were kind of talking about some of this stuff on
the bike rides and, and such and such.
And I had started building a lot of websites and things for.
and yeah, just with one of your, your previous employers.
Shown me the, the gymnasium actually which was like sort of like tutorial
land, educational portal for largely like web dev stuff I feel like.
But anyways, took every single course available on there
and got a lot out of it.
And just like that love of wanting to build stuff just
ignited from that point forward.
So fast forward.
Let's say a year of really focusing on development education,
particularly with JavaScript.
I was kind of burn out managing this, this marketing business.
Found a actual subcontractor that was interested in acquiring it and.
Bailed and decided that I wanted to take a stab at, you know, working
for a startup in the tech world.
And so kind of applied to a couple of places and put my resume out there a
little bit, However minimal it might have been at that point in time.
And fielded quite a few inquiries and really landed on I had one conversation.
Kara Bornstein is Stash pad ceo.
And really believed in her vision and her as a leader of that company.
So it was pretty sold and then in the second interview, got to meet with the
cto the Meron and was even more sold.
So I had kind of decided at that point that this is really
where I wanted to be and.
So took a role there as a developer experience designer,
, Mike Bifulco: man, you've done so many things in such
a short amount of time, like.
Literally from, from finance to being a marketing director, to running an agency
to figuring out how to find your way into the dev world is really fascinating.
you know, Along the way, like you, you also had some interesting projects
that you put out into the world, which, though your resume may have
been short at the time you had some really cool stuff like your skew
amorphism project . That, that was cool.
Do you wanna talk a little bit about.
Drew White: Yeah, sure.
So I was just kind of in all of my free time, I was building
a lot of UI stuff just.
For learning purposes of my own, but also just cuz there were things that I
wanted that I, I couldn't find or I didn't think existed or something like that.
So I was using a lot of like, skew, morphism, glass, amorphism and
amorphism in some of my designs.
Primarily because I have a background in 3D design and so it was like
sort of appealing to me to be able to create some of that stuff.
Sort of like the in, in the web, which I thought was awesome.
And so yeah, I created this tool.
I got tired of like finagling, like, okay, 0.3 pixels, 0.4 pixels, like, like
all of this stuff, like adjusting 'em to get like the shadows and the highlights
and all of that stuff just right.
And so I created a little tool that's basically a, a CSS generator with
these really nice little sliders that, you know, you can quickly dial.
The amount of s amorphism amorphism that you want with the right direction of
light down to like, I think it's 1000th of a pixel or something like that.
It's pretty crazy.
But yeah, built that and it's actually gotten quite a bit of use from my, not
only myself, but like other designers and developers have used it as well.
And yeah, that was like the first real tool that I built and put out.
Picked up any traction but it was super fun to build for sure.
Mike Bifulco: Yeah.
I appreciate most about you, how understated you are.
It, this is an insanely cool thing and like to me, the, the perfect example
of showing , that you're an interesting person who's taking a hands on approach to
learning and actually building things out.
I will drop the URL for this tool in, in the browser or sorry,
in the, in the show notes here.
And what's interesting for the audience of APIs you won't hate is like a
lot of the folks we work with here.
Really into building the data layer, the back end side of things, the connective
tissue from the front end to the back end.
But you can imagine in many ways that you could show off your chops as an
API developer by building out a simple tool that just shows one facet of
here's how I would, you know, build out these, these knobs and levers to adjust
the experience of building an api.
Better.
New Amorphism is a very touchable like you know, tasty kind of thing to be able
to go out and use and like as someone who's trying to break into the industry
or as someone who was trying to break into the industry at the time, it's
the perfect kind of prism put in front of yourself to say like, yeah, cool.
I haven't worked in this yet, but I do this kind of work and
I do a really good job of it.
And it's gotten some great attention too, which is really cool.
The, the thing I still need to yell at you about is you need to
put your name on that webpage.
In big, bold letters somewhere, minimalism be damned.
People should know where it came from.
You know what I mean?
Drew White: That is sort of like a thing that we've talked about a bit.
I'm a minimalist through and through like at every phase and yeah, it's, I get it.
The branding.
I need to be better about that for sure.
And maybe someday I'll put it on there.
Mike Bifulco: Fair enough.
Yeah, I'll go chase down your code and open a poll request for you.
Yeah.
Cool.
So why don't we talk a little bit about what you're doing now.
So what is stpa?
Drew White: So Stash Padd is a notes taking application.
Kind of aims to flip that concept of notes taking on its head.
The whole point of what we're doing is reducing the burden of capture.
I mean from my perspective, notes is not a particularly enjoyable
experience for most people.
However, it is a particularly important.
Part of daily dev life or daily, you know, really work life.
Being able to get thoughts out of our head, take notes on conversations
that we've had, meetings standups, code reviews, all that kind of stuff
very easily, very quickly, and be able to put it somewhere and not
really have to worry about where you're putting it necessarily and kind
of give you that feeling and vibe.
Similar to like if you were dm, DMing yourself in Slack.
Where it's the, it's the lowest burden of entry for capture.
And the, the, in my personal experience, I might be biased, but my personal
experience, it's the, it's the least amount of friction for getting something
out of my head and into somewhere that I can recall it later when I need to.
So yeah, we've been working on the app for, oh, probably two
years now, I guess is when.
Things kind of started, but we just launched in August on product hunt.
And reception has been phenomenal.
It's been so, so good.
So yeah.
That's what Stash pad is.
It's at the helm we have Kara Bernstein and Theo Meron as the two founders.
And then it's a pretty small team.
We're located in Raleigh or Durham, North Carolina.
I keep saying Raleigh
every
Mike Bifulco: Middle of both.
Drew White: Yeah.
Yeah.
Mike Bifulco: I mean, most people put 'em right next to each other
anyway.
Drew White: At the American Underground there which has been great.
So, Yeah.
Mike Bifulco: Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah.
American Underground is kind of like the home of startups in,
in that part of North Carolina.
A super cool community created there.
So note taking is a really interesting thing to me.
I, I have kind of a, a interesting history with it and actually I remember, I wish
I could tell you when it was, but I remember a specific conversation I had
with one of my great friends actually.
My former employer, Andrew Miller, who is the program director over at Gymnasium
and his longtime friend of mine, one of the, the smartest people I know.
At one point I remember having a conversation with him where he asked
me about how I take notes for work.
Like how do I keep track of what I'm doing?
And literally at the time, my response was, why would I take notes?
Like, I just remember it, you know?
And like the, the brash, bold statement that I made that
was just like I don't know.
My brain's working at a thousand percent all the time.
Why do I need to write anything down?
I remember that moment and I remember like literally a month later being like,
Oh man, I need to write everything down.
Like I'm starting to forget things.
They're all falling outta the back of my head.
And that, that was the moment where I really started to focus on like, trying
to organize myself, trying to organize my thoughts and have frankly, filtered
through a lot of tools in the meantime.
And I think.
The note taking thing and writing down notes and taking
notes is a virtuous thing.
It's very good.
You want to do it because it, it's less burden for your, your mind, but
also it helps other people, right?
So like, Drew, if you and I have a conversation, I'm teaching you
something one on one, that's awesome.
You might learn something from me.
But if I also write it down and one other person reads it, I've doubled
the efficacy of that conversation.
And that's why note taking is good.
It's also helpful.
If I forget it in the future, I can come back to it.
What, what I also really like about it too is that.
Note taking is different for everyone and you kind of have
to find what works for you.
And I feel like people may feel like the market is kind of floated,
flooded with note taking tools.
But I think that's because people's style of thought and their style of organization
is very, very different from one another and like, Some people are good with
just a notepad, you know, txt file and, and the chaos that that may bring on.
Some people might like the iOS, you know, note app for their own thing.
But truly finding something that is like broadly applicable and
easy to use and easy to understand is a challenging problem space.
Drew White: Yeah, and I think actually your experience that you
just described is fairly common.
You know, I had the same.
Greater than do attitude towards notes in the early days, like
I have a pretty solid memory.
I can remember a lot of things.
But what I think a lot of people who do take notes now understand, and people who
don't take notes will ultimately figure out is that the more you keep in your
head, Yeah, you may be able to keep it in there, but you got limited space up there.
So the more you take in, eventually some of that stuff's gonna start falling off.
And then there's like the stress of, you know, some of that data may be
important and then you may not have it.
So I've definitely adapted a practice and you're absolutely right, there's
a lot of options out there and.
Varying degrees of Complexity, which is the interesting part to me.
But I think what is so interesting is just the fact that there are so many,
like different note taking applications speaks to a larger problem, right?
No one has kind of sorted this stuff out.
Usually, particularly in the dev the development world,
engineering world dev tools tend to be winner take all, I mean, vs.
Code by far and away owns the market and in ide, maybe with JetBrains or
something coming in right behind them.
You've got.
Basically issue tracking tools and all these other things.
There's usually like a winner take all sort of situation and in so sort of
personal notes that sort of space that really isn't something that is landed on.
People are kind of all over the board from, you know, untitled text
files, just flooding their desktop to any combination of different
apps, big ones, no notion Evernote obsidian, all of those things and.
Where we like to think that we can fit in and, and, and why we're building
this thing in the first place is to kind of have this defacto, we'll
do whatever you want it to do.
Lightweight and very speedy.
I've used some of the other big name apps out there particularly.
Like Apple notes and things like that.
And there always seems to be a little bit of friction between, I just got
told some information that I need to remember in four hours from now, or two
days from now, or two months from now.
Where do I put that?
How do I organize that in my.
Hierarchy or whatever and how am I gonna find that later?
And that has always been my challenge.
I've bounced around from, from app to app long before I even
knew that stash pad was a thing.
And so that's the problem we aim to resolve.
And the reality is if we can bring a little bit of joy to something
that is often like a mundane sort of experience yeah, I mean, all the better.
That's.
The goal
Mike Bifulco: Sure.
Yeah.
It's a, it's a hard thing to describe the way, the value of having a
good note taking system feels.
But like, when you come out on the other side of it and you start writing
things down, the task of recall suddenly doesn't become, I need to
remember every detail about this thing.
All you need to remember is that you wrote it down and you can find
it.
And that's something that, the scale that comes with that is pretty
tremendous and also really helpful.
Like in three years when I wanna look up what you and I talked about
today I certainly won't remember.
Right in my brain, but I will remember that we had this talk and I can jump
back into my notes and chase it down.
Drew White: Yep.
Mike Bifulco: It's, it's super cool and I feel like there's a lot of
psychology that goes into it, like both the people's hesitance to take on note
taking, but then like the personal style, the workflow, the things that trigger
peoples like, I need to take a note about this, or I need to keep my list
of tasks in this versus you know, am I summarizing an article or, or writing
down a note about, I dunno, some hack I wrote in my code, Whatever the case may.
Yeah, I, I like all of that stuff.
It's really interesting to think about and like you must be building a very kind
of generic tool set to do that, right.
Drew White: Yeah.
I mean, like our whole concept is, is giving Users, people a
default place to write to that they don't have to worry about.
Like, it's, it's essentially a log, you know, it's.
Date timestamped log.
That includes everything that you've got.
So if you even remember roughly what happened during the day, you should
be able to find the note that, that you took down which is pretty awesome.
And so sort of the next big thing for us is further removing we'll call 'em
barriers to capture cuz we believe that that's the most important thing.
And so as we continue to expand, Develop the product.
One of our, our major items on our roadmap is like integrations and our api.
So the whole idea of being able to.
Send content from somewhere into stash pad or even have that content
automatically be imported into Stash Padd as a note in the right place when
you need it is really exciting for me.
I don't know what it was like, you know, at any of your, your previous employers.
But like one of the biggest things moving to the tech world that kind of knocked
me off my socks is the tech stack.
I was not prepared for that whatsoever.
Like even coming from like my own business where I was using quite a
few different tools for different purposes and managing those things.
Like my bookmark folder for like just dash padd tools is, is, is pretty big.
Like we, we've got at least 12 separate tools that we use for different purposes.
And while that's great and all of them work really well, sometimes it's hard.
Particularly in my position, it's difficult.
Hey, remember where that comment that someone made that you
need to reference came from?
Or like, was it in Slack?
Was it in, was it a conversation, Was it a thread in Slack, like going
back and doing all of that stuff?
Or was it a slab or any, any number of, of different locations
it could have come from.
And so the ability to have this sort of automated notes dashboard which
is, you know, the ultimate goal here.
Really, really appealing to me to be able to create some smart stacks that
give you the information you need from the resources that you use, the
tools that you use and combine that with capturing your own notes from
one-on-ones meetings, code reviews, all of that stuff is really just feels
like I would like to have that today.
Mike Bifulco: Sure . Sure.
Yeah.
I what I'm really interested to hear about too is like, this is, this
is one of those great cases where almost certainly you will be using
Dash pad as you're building it.
You know, probably both personally and as, as a company, as a
team, whatever that looks like.
Can you tell me a little bit about what, what your, like what your, I dunno.
Your dog fooding process is like, and some of the things that
your team does with Stash pad.
Drew White: Yeah, so our dog fooding process is pretty strong.
Everybody on our team is very opinionated and also very thorough and not afraid
to speak up, which is hugely beneficial both from like a development standpoint,
but honestly from a design standpoint, which I spend a lot of time in.
And so we all use stash pad very differently.
It's actually pretty fascinating.
Often, like, we'll go into like a spec review or something like that and this
person will say, You know, I use this this way, that makes perfect sense to me.
And then like I'm looking at 'em like, I don't use it that way at all.
Like I, my mindset, my brain map is, is different.
My mental model is different.
And so what's fascinating is we've, we've kind of engineered
the flexibility to match different mental models into the app which has.
I don't know, kind of just eye opening for me, but I use it all the time.
Primarily with code reviews, design reviews, that sort of thing.
Spec reviews.
I have several, one-on-ones every week.
I like to use it for them so I can both remember what we talked about, but also
kind of measure my own progress and be able to go back and look at some
of the things that we talked about.
I also do it.
Basically things that I want to bring up.
I also use it as a drafting tool, believe it or not.
Cuz it does support markdown and so I can do some longer form notes if I need to.
So I do like it as a drafting tool.
They render really, really nicely.
And then I also use it as like a lockbox for data.
I know I'm gonna need in perpetuity.
I can keep a place for quick, quick info that I just need to access all the time.
And I can know that everything in there is always gonna be there
forever in the shape that it needs.
So and that's how I use it.
I also use it as a task manager.
We've got a great sort of to-dos system and hierarchical
todos, which is super awesome.
So like you can create a stack of todos.
Which is within another stack of, to-dos, that stack itself can
be a to-do so on and so forth.
So Yeah.
it works really well for keeping me organized.
Mike Bifulco: I can imagine as an engineer or someone working on a product
team, whether you're an engineer or a designer or a product manager, whatever,
whatever your role is there's a lot of value in keeping yourself organized
and, and making this thing work for you.
Can you tell me a little bit about the storage plan for for Dash pad?
So right now, is it local only?
Is it cloud synced?
Is it something you use with like Dropbox or Google Drive or something like that?
How does it work?
Drew White: Yeah, right now it is local only.
That was a decision we made based on some, you know, early feedback that
we had from engineers and, you know, companies being very, we, we want people
to be very have the option to be very private about their, their data and
not be sinking to and from the cloud.
But as.
Right now we are I don't wanna put an actual date on it.
We do have a date for release, but just in case things get pushed, you know
plus a couple of days, minus a couple of days, whatever the case is, we are
rolling out sync in the very near future which will give users an opportunity
to not only have data on multiple computers, but also we'll be rolling
out our mobile app about the same time.
So yeah, we'll have access to.
Again, the whole idea is further reducing that, that, that friction capture.
So yeah, we'll, we'll have cloud sync available for a pretty small monthly fee.
I don't know exactly what it is off the top of my head.
But it's very reasonable.
And I think there will be a, a certain number of.
Um, like free sync sort of things.
And then the community version, which is non sync will be
free forever in perpetuity.
Mike Bifulco: Yeah.
Very cool.
Is there, so is Stpa taking the perspective that notes are a sort
of personal trove of information or is there collaborative features?
Drew White: Yeah.
So I mean, our whole thing through this has been, there are so many
tools out there for teams, right?
And.
There's very little for managing your own daily work.
And so we have taken this stance that Stash pad is for you, not for
your team, not for your manager, not for even necessarily the
enterprise, although I'm sure we will have enterprise level customers.
The idea is it's for the engineer, it's for the user and.
That being said, we actually do, we used to have a a web app version,
which was like version negative 0.1 or whatever you wanna call it.
That does have a collab feature that we still to this day use for retro.
And it is easily the greatest platform for something like that
that we have experimented with.
We've tried basically everything else.
We always end up coming back to the old web app.
So, yeah, there may be plans for, for adopting some of that
functionality in the future as well.
Mike Bifulco: Sure.
Yeah, I think it's, it is a good angle to take or an interesting
angle to take, certainly.
I think a lot of folks gut response might be that like having a
team collaborative tool is maybe the, the table stakes for them.
But in practice, all of the companies I've worked at that have reached any like.
Reasonable team size of, call it five people or greater, tend to
standardize on like, what is easiest.
So and, and by that I mean like things that they've probably already
paid for within the enterprise.
So that may be Google Talks or Jira or GitHub or like the things that
are sort of built into that process.
But what I also like about this is that by keeping it local and for yourself,
like it, it, it's a way for you to keep your information, to grow your own sort
of stack of knowledge and, and to build upon your own set of notes in a way.
That is you flavored.
I think that's really interesting.
And obviously you can still collaborate with your team right there.
There are you know, ways to get information out of this thing.
It's not a one way valve.
Yeah, yeah,
Drew White: And I think just based on our experience using the web
app, I can't see that not making it in like the collaborative use
case, not making it into the app.
It's just, it's too good to like pass on.
I just don't know where it lives on our roadmap today.
Mike Bifulco: The perpetual startup challenge.
Yeah.
When, When is it the most important thing to build?
Drew White: That's right.
And I think a lot of people like, I mean, we're a team of seven, so
like we're, we're pretty small.
And so we've gotta kind of pick and choose our priorities, particularly
this close to our launch, you know, And so we're trying to deliver one thing,
but a perfect one thing, and then we'll
Mike Bifulco: of course.
Drew White: the next thing, you know?
Mike Bifulco: Yeah.
So I'm, I'm curious to probe in a little more about the sort of API
layer that you teased, cuz I know that the, the team listening to this
will definitely be interested in that.
What does that look like?
What are the sort of hooks you're thinking about?
You know, opening up APIs for.
Drew White: Yeah, I mean, primarily the initial sort of main function of the API
is intended to expand capture essentially.
So the ability to send information to stash pad from basically any tool or
any product, any project that you're working on would be the primary function.
You may have some other functionalities that come after that.
But yeah, I mean our whole thing is that the easier you can make capture, the
more likely people are gonna take notes and the better they're gonna retain
information and then ultimately the better they're gonna be able to work.
So yeah, the, that, that'll be the, the primary function there.
We're still kind of working through the details on this.
This is on our current roadmap.
And I know it's coming probably way quicker.
We're gonna be . It feels like we're doing a lot of things right now.
But they're all very good things and we're executing at a pretty high level.
And so we're trying to maintain that, that momentum.
So I, I'd be surprised if this wasn't out early first quarter next year.
Yeah.
Mike Bifulco: Yeah.
Cool.
I, I know your team.
So you said it's a seven person team.
And I, I know you've done some of the engineering work.
I'd imagine there's a few engineers that, that work on the product.
Can you talk a little bit about what dpad is built with?
Drew White: Yeah.
Stash Padd is built with react type script in El.
Has our primary shippable form, and then the mobile app
will be React native actually.
So yeah, it's been, it's actually been quite a joy to work with.
I know.
Our one of our engineers who kind of does a lot of the electron work
definitely has some grapes about it.
He just wrote a blog post that'll be up on our website probably at the end of today.
But yeah, it's, it's, it's a great tool and there's a reason
that it's so widely used.
And so even with some of the, the push and pull I think it's still a
good option, particularly for desktop.
And it allows us to ship to Linux and Windows and Mac kind of all in one go.
Mike Bifulco: Sure.
Yeah, I feel like the electron's perpetual thing is that as it
does more people want more.
And you know, early on the conversation was mostly around performance.
You know we can't ship a Chrome browser for everything.
But to be honest, I think that's become less of a problem in recent
years as computers have gotten better, as electronic self has gotten
better, as Chrome has gotten more lightweight and all those things.
Or chromium, I guess not quite chrome.
Drew White: Right?
Mike Bifulco: And it's interesting to pair that with React Native too,
which historically has had similar things and has gotten tremendously
further along in the past few years.
Like building for React native now is so much easier than it was in 2016.
It's, it's a much, much more capable thing.
It's cool to see that coming around.
Drew White: Yeah, I did some stuff with React native, just personal projects
a couple years ago, and I haven't had an opportunity to work on any of
the mobile stuff Now my role is, is pretty widely split between design,
engineering, dev, re and then some higher level stuff, product stuff.
So, but any chance I, I get an an opportunity to, to work in app
I relish those opportunities cuz that's sort of what drove me to
this place in the first place.
But yeah, the we're, we're pretty excited.
We've got some, some really good things coming out and I think they're
happy with React native today.
The engineers are don't, I haven't heard much in the way of complaints,
so that's always a good sign.
Mike Bifulco: Yeah, I'll say certainly.
Cool.
So Drew what other things haven't we touched on with Stash pad that,
that folks might be interested in if they haven't tried it yet?
Drew White: Yeah, I think for me it's the, it's really the speed of the
thing that makes it so much better.
Like I, I've been a long time, I, I kind of bounce, I mentioned it earlier,
I bounced around from app to app for years notes app that is and ultimately
landed on Apple Notes just because of its, Sort of nativity as it were.
But it was always kind of like somewhat of a compromise for me.
But I've actually just, I mean, within the last six months have
like fully transitioned into stash pad as a whole, primarily
because of the speed of the thing.
It's just uncanny, like I think all of our.
Basic actions are sub hundred milliseconds or something like that.
Like even like loading a massive list of notes is just ridiculously fast.
And the other real concept behind it, like particularly if, if you're like a
developer and you know, the importance of keeping your hands on the keyboard,
like the thing is, is well set up you can navigate everything create,
delete, you know, whatever you want to do without ever leaving the keyboard.
And like, Super familiar, sort of key bindings that make a lot of sense.
And so that's like another huge thing for, for me in particular.
We also have like a shortcut, like a global OS shortcut.
So you can open it up while you're, so you're working in BS code or your
ide and you gotta take a quick note.
You can just open it up without ever touching the mouse and bounce over to
it, dump your note, go back to work, and just basically eliminate that context
switching sort of moment right there.
Yeah, I think if anybody hasn't tried it that's listening.
It's certainly worth it.
It's free, so no harm, no foul.
You can download it, our website wws-padd.com.
And yeah, give it a try.
Let us know.
And we're super active on our Discord server.
We love getting feedback from, from users even when they hate it.
Like we got railed the other day by some guy.
He just didn't like the interface like whatsoever.
And.
He was, he must have sent like 10 emails yesterday, I think.
But that's good stuff for us.
Like, it's, it's good feedback.
Like we don't mind it at all.
So yeah, I, I definitely think everybody, if you're using Evernote or Notion or
Apple Notes or Ulysses or any of the other ones it's worth giving a try.
It's a different experience for sure.
You may like it, you may not, but we hope that you.
Mike Bifulco: Yeah.
Cool.
I'll, I'll make sure to drop a link in the show notes here too.
And if people wanna chase you down, Drew, where's the best place to find you?
Drew White: Usually you can find me at the Whitewater Center in Charlotte,
North Carolina or at Fonta Flora.
Also Shta no.
Yeah, you can find me on Twitter.
Atul.
I don't, I, I, I spend a lot of time there observing, but I'm
not like a huge content creator.
I like watching.
Mike Bifulco: there's a lot to observe on Twitter these days too.
Drew White: Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And then, yeah, that's probably the easiest way to get ahold of me,
Mike Bifulco: Cool.
Right on.
Well, Drew, thanks so much for hanging out today.
It's been really cool talking about STA pad.
Yeah, come back anytime, especially once you're starting to talk about
like opening up the API taps we'll have lots of people with very interesting
opinions for you, and I'm sure you'll get a, a bit of an onslaught in your
discord for people with feature requests and things like that in the near
Drew White: Perfect.
We'll create your own channel just for you guys.
Mike Bifulco: Right on.
Thanks so much, Drew.
We'll talk soon.
Drew White: thanks Mike.
Mike Bifulco: See ya.