WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:09.690 --> 00:00:13.110 Speaker 7: Welcome everyone to Faith and Purpose podcast. 00:00:13.870 --> 00:00:19.050 Each episode of this podcast contains the personal testimony of an ordinary person 00:00:19.069 --> 00:00:21.810 transformed by an extraordinary God. 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:25.640 My name is Kaylin and I'm here to introduce this podcast 00:00:25.650 --> 00:00:27.180 for my friend Jesse Duke. 00:00:27.790 --> 00:00:33.259 Jesse is a husband, father, author, life recovery guide, lay counselor, 00:00:33.740 --> 00:00:37.820 and small group leader, but his most important role is disciple. 00:00:38.260 --> 00:00:39.710 As a disciple of Jesus. 00:00:40.190 --> 00:00:44.280 Jesse created this podcast to help other believers tell their faith stories. 00:00:44.830 --> 00:00:48.629 We'll be hearing the personal testimonies of all sorts of people 00:00:48.629 --> 00:00:52.560 who have one thing in common, Jesus has transformed their lives. 00:00:53.465 --> 00:00:57.555 Jesus used parables because he created us to learn best through story. 00:00:57.985 --> 00:01:02.775 And as we listen to how God has worked in others lives, we find encouragement 00:01:02.785 --> 00:01:05.075 and inspiration for our own faith walk. 00:01:05.564 --> 00:01:09.935 Whether you are already a believer or just a curious seeker, we believe that 00:01:09.955 --> 00:01:14.244 as you listen to these stories, you will be encouraged on your own faith journey. 00:01:14.544 --> 00:01:18.954 We are sure that God can speak to you through one of these episodes and that you 00:01:18.954 --> 00:01:23.044 will see that our Heavenly Father truly works all things together for our good. 00:01:23.380 --> 00:01:25.290 When we simply love and trust him. 00:01:25.990 --> 00:01:29.360 If you are currently going through a trial, we believe that you will come 00:01:29.360 --> 00:01:34.150 to see that your troubles, heartbreaks, and failures are not gravestones, but 00:01:34.180 --> 00:01:36.750 stepping stones into new life in Christ. 00:01:37.180 --> 00:01:39.170 Here's Jesse with today's guest. 00:01:54.233 --> 00:01:57.303 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to the Faith and Purpose podcast. 00:01:57.943 --> 00:02:02.327 Today we are very fortunate to have our friend Kay here to share her 00:02:02.327 --> 00:02:08.157 story and my wife Becky is going to be asking questions and hearing Kay's 00:02:08.167 --> 00:02:10.187 story, so I hope you enjoy this. 00:02:10.907 --> 00:02:15.407 So Becky, you and Kay just relax and have a good conversation. 00:02:15.847 --> 00:02:16.817 Becky: Thank you, Jesse. 00:02:17.492 --> 00:02:23.949 And welcome everyone, we welcome Kay today, Kay Griffin, so let's get 00:02:23.949 --> 00:02:27.819 started Kay, you've got quite a story, and I know a little bit about it. 00:02:28.379 --> 00:02:28.949 Yes. 00:02:28.969 --> 00:02:33.269 And I want you to go ahead and start, tell us about how you found 00:02:33.269 --> 00:02:36.819 Jesus in your life and what that has meant to you through the years. 00:02:36.939 --> 00:02:38.239 Oh, thank you, Becky. 00:02:38.507 --> 00:02:39.647 it's humbling. 00:02:41.502 --> 00:02:42.722 share this story. 00:02:43.672 --> 00:02:48.715 I've done it many times to different groups, primarily to women, but 00:02:48.715 --> 00:02:53.758 occasionally there have been men in the group and they too. 00:02:54.057 --> 00:02:57.947 have been touched by what the father has done. 00:02:58.507 --> 00:03:00.037 everyone has a story. 00:03:00.517 --> 00:03:06.987 This is my story, but it is also the story of God, how much he 00:03:06.997 --> 00:03:10.230 loves us, the plans he has for us. 00:03:10.763 --> 00:03:16.390 And how he can bring his good from seeming tragedy. 00:03:17.063 --> 00:03:19.427 So, when I was very young, 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:24.883 my family situation was at times very difficult. 00:03:24.990 --> 00:03:29.703 when I was four, my birth mother asked my father for a divorce. 00:03:31.058 --> 00:03:35.043 He had been a very young Marine in World War II. 00:03:35.663 --> 00:03:41.126 After he arrived home, he met my mother at Parris Island and they 00:03:41.126 --> 00:03:48.843 married and dad decided to give his life to God in service as a minister. 00:03:49.446 --> 00:03:55.406 I don't know what difficulty there may have been for my birth mother, but 00:03:55.596 --> 00:03:58.716 she decided that she needed to leave. 00:03:59.206 --> 00:04:01.536 So she asked my father for a divorce 00:04:01.990 --> 00:04:05.690 and dad said the only way he would agree to that was if he 00:04:05.690 --> 00:04:08.430 got custody of me, which he did. 00:04:08.720 --> 00:04:15.070 So daddy and I moved in with his parents who lived right next door, which was a 00:04:15.070 --> 00:04:18.310 tremendous gift from my heavenly father. 00:04:18.877 --> 00:04:20.667 Both of my grandparents were good people. 00:04:20.867 --> 00:04:25.507 But my grandmother was an angel on earth, and it wasn't just 00:04:25.507 --> 00:04:27.177 her family who thought that. 00:04:27.487 --> 00:04:32.043 she had kept me during the four years my parents were married. 00:04:32.440 --> 00:04:37.970 And then she kept me again from age four to six. 00:04:38.670 --> 00:04:40.900 So that was a great blessing. 00:04:41.690 --> 00:04:46.733 Of course, even though dad was a pastor, he also worked, for a 00:04:46.733 --> 00:04:48.613 trucking company, not as a driver. 00:04:48.613 --> 00:04:54.643 He worked in the warehouse for additional income, and he met a young widow there. 00:04:55.273 --> 00:04:59.313 She had two children, a son and a daughter. 00:05:01.433 --> 00:05:05.503 Her first husband had died while she was still pregnant with their daughter. 00:05:06.173 --> 00:05:09.433 But, dad just fell for her head over heels. 00:05:10.023 --> 00:05:17.863 And they got married on February 9th, the day before my 6th birthday. 00:05:19.603 --> 00:05:22.558 because dad was a young, very dedicated man. 00:05:24.608 --> 00:05:31.348 He spent a lot of time with the Faith family, and then also with other 00:05:31.348 --> 00:05:36.908 pastors, different conferences, and also going out into the world to 00:05:36.908 --> 00:05:39.678 tell people how great our God is. 00:05:40.593 --> 00:05:45.697 and that God sent his son to live on earth and to die a 00:05:45.807 --> 00:05:48.763 brutal death to save us from sin. 00:05:49.117 --> 00:05:51.130 So what did that mean to me? 00:05:51.383 --> 00:05:55.433 It meant that my dad was mostly an absentee father. 00:05:55.787 --> 00:05:57.777 so my stepmother raised me. 00:05:58.420 --> 00:05:59.600 It was difficult. 00:05:59.883 --> 00:06:06.647 I will start by saying I think she likely did the best she could. 00:06:07.007 --> 00:06:08.977 With the situation she was in. 00:06:09.410 --> 00:06:13.187 She was young, 21, 22. 00:06:13.603 --> 00:06:17.373 she was a widow already with two children. 00:06:17.733 --> 00:06:22.863 She married this man who had become a Baptist minister. 00:06:23.217 --> 00:06:26.837 And there was a six year old girl tagging along. 00:06:27.723 --> 00:06:30.163 She and I were very different. 00:06:30.667 --> 00:06:32.727 not that either one of us was good or bad. 00:06:32.727 --> 00:06:33.677 We were just different. 00:06:33.962 --> 00:06:38.442 And my guess is that she just didn't understand me. 00:06:39.148 --> 00:06:41.718 Maybe even wondered what planet I came from. 00:06:42.112 --> 00:06:44.132 she was very critical. 00:06:44.495 --> 00:06:49.238 saying things to me and to me in front of other people. 00:06:49.715 --> 00:06:55.035 Something like, it's the quiet ones you know you have to watch out for. 00:06:55.688 --> 00:07:02.428 And there was physical abuse, but it was only one thing, and it was devastating. 00:07:02.855 --> 00:07:08.135 Whenever her anger caused her to lose control, she would slap me in the face. 00:07:08.742 --> 00:07:13.692 It didn't matter whether we were at home, at church, out in public. 00:07:14.072 --> 00:07:18.162 That hand would come quicker than I knew it was coming. 00:07:19.173 --> 00:07:20.553 why did she do that to me? 00:07:22.033 --> 00:07:27.817 I don't know for sure that I even thought, why does Jesus let her do that to me? 00:07:28.273 --> 00:07:29.633 It was just too stunning. 00:07:30.610 --> 00:07:33.320 And I was a shy, quiet child. 00:07:33.370 --> 00:07:36.653 My grandmother was a shy, quiet lady. 00:07:36.653 --> 00:07:38.660 And I emulated her. 00:07:39.067 --> 00:07:41.047 And I remain thankful for that. 00:07:42.193 --> 00:07:42.843 Um, 00:07:45.930 --> 00:07:46.740 was I worthless? 00:07:47.540 --> 00:07:49.690 my daddy's a pastor, shouldn't I be? 00:07:49.690 --> 00:07:49.790 Mm hmm. 00:07:50.140 --> 00:07:51.250 worth something. 00:07:51.923 --> 00:07:57.737 there were a few things that occurred and some were just so good. 00:07:58.323 --> 00:08:04.333 But being in the frame of mind I was, I would think less of myself. 00:08:04.333 --> 00:08:06.943 I'll give you a beautiful example. 00:08:07.470 --> 00:08:09.610 my stepbrother, was a year younger than me. 00:08:10.017 --> 00:08:13.287 So when I was age seven and he was age six. 00:08:14.507 --> 00:08:18.467 At the end of the service, when Daddy extended the invitation for 00:08:18.527 --> 00:08:24.897 anyone to come down front and give their life to Jesus, please come. 00:08:25.630 --> 00:08:30.110 my terrific step brother, I didn't know it at the time, but I learned it in my 20s, 00:08:32.220 --> 00:08:37.540 he got up and walked down and talked to Dad and committed his life to Jesus. 00:08:38.660 --> 00:08:43.260 Well, I'm sitting in the pew going, uh oh, I'm a year older than him. 00:08:43.563 --> 00:08:48.220 I'm daddy's biological child and I haven't done this. 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:49.330 What's wrong? 00:08:49.973 --> 00:08:54.857 So without really thinking about it, I got up and walked down and told 00:08:54.857 --> 00:08:57.167 daddy I was ready too to accept Jesus. 00:08:57.443 --> 00:09:01.300 That wasn't a bad thing, but I didn't really know what I was doing. 00:09:01.890 --> 00:09:06.400 So years passed and my stepmother stopped. 00:09:06.595 --> 00:09:07.855 Slapping me in the face. 00:09:07.915 --> 00:09:09.665 I don't know how that came about. 00:09:10.385 --> 00:09:11.875 But I was very thankful. 00:09:12.398 --> 00:09:16.728 However, she was still very critical of me. 00:09:17.022 --> 00:09:22.452 for instance, one year, uh, this very small church in Forest Park, 00:09:22.452 --> 00:09:29.228 Georgia had this massive Christmas story with people from the faith 00:09:29.228 --> 00:09:32.128 family acting as Joseph and Mary. 00:09:32.138 --> 00:09:34.848 And there was even a tiny baby. 00:09:35.398 --> 00:09:37.218 And all of the choirs. 00:09:37.408 --> 00:09:39.768 Even in the small church, we had multiple choirs. 00:09:40.018 --> 00:09:42.558 I went, I and my brother were in the junior choir. 00:09:42.688 --> 00:09:45.508 He had a great voice, still does. 00:09:45.778 --> 00:09:46.938 Me, not so much. 00:09:47.788 --> 00:09:55.568 So, we were waiting to process into the sanctuary and I was talking to the 00:09:55.568 --> 00:10:01.098 girl either in front of me or behind me and my mother screamed at me to shut. 00:10:03.098 --> 00:10:08.995 I probably wasn't really in the frame of mind to experience this beautiful pageant. 00:10:09.492 --> 00:10:13.649 And I was a little hesitant about it to begin with because Mother 00:10:13.659 --> 00:10:16.176 had me play the role of a donkey. 00:10:17.129 --> 00:10:19.949 I'm a little nine year old girl who wanted to be Cinderella, 00:10:20.556 --> 00:10:22.596 but I had to sing the part. 00:10:22.616 --> 00:10:25.065 Um, 00:10:28.756 --> 00:10:32.166 another example that I didn't really think about until I 00:10:32.166 --> 00:10:34.436 was much older is, Halloween. 00:10:34.736 --> 00:10:37.756 It was a great thing in our tiny little community. 00:10:38.106 --> 00:10:39.606 We lived around a lake. 00:10:40.176 --> 00:10:45.226 So we were, my brother and I were allowed to walk with friends all the way around 00:10:45.226 --> 00:10:47.716 the circle of the lake and trick or treat. 00:10:48.499 --> 00:10:50.069 My costume was a monkey. 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:51.769 She chose it. 00:10:52.169 --> 00:10:53.099 She chose that. 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:56.419 I wanted to be Cinderella. 00:10:57.594 --> 00:10:59.254 At the very least, it's no white. 00:11:00.304 --> 00:11:01.754 But I was the monkey. 00:11:02.537 --> 00:11:05.787 Neither one of these things I've just shared with you in itself 00:11:05.847 --> 00:11:12.097 would cause a lifetime of hurt and the reason to become an introvert. 00:11:12.394 --> 00:11:14.244 But as a whole, they did. 00:11:14.794 --> 00:11:18.724 I'm not saying that my stepmother destroyed me. 00:11:19.241 --> 00:11:22.617 Satan, for whatever reason, had to have been at work. 00:11:22.891 --> 00:11:25.521 So I withdrew even further. 00:11:25.897 --> 00:11:29.257 I did have a couple of very good friends in high school. 00:11:29.297 --> 00:11:34.027 They lived nearby and they were very tolerant that I rarely talked. 00:11:34.637 --> 00:11:37.487 Couldn't go to a lot of the activities. 00:11:37.691 --> 00:11:43.071 certainly didn't participate in anything in high school like The band or the 00:11:43.071 --> 00:11:46.641 flag team or a club or whatever. 00:11:46.994 --> 00:11:48.554 I felt I was worthless. 00:11:48.867 --> 00:11:53.241 Now, my dad was still a minister until I reached age 16. 00:11:53.341 --> 00:11:58.571 And at that time he left the ministry, I think, because he recognized 00:11:58.631 --> 00:12:03.577 there was very little prospect of him being able to afford college. 00:12:03.866 --> 00:12:04.966 For four children. 00:12:05.286 --> 00:12:05.706 that's right. 00:12:05.706 --> 00:12:12.206 I neglected to mention that my dad and my stepmother had a baby girl shortly 00:12:12.326 --> 00:12:15.666 after they married, so I was the oldest. 00:12:15.976 --> 00:12:18.146 My stepbrother was a year younger than me. 00:12:18.746 --> 00:12:21.816 My stepsister was a few younger than my brother. 00:12:22.256 --> 00:12:23.966 And then 18 months. 00:12:25.021 --> 00:12:27.241 between my stepsister and my half sister. 00:12:28.231 --> 00:12:32.581 Um, I'm sorry I'm pausing so much. 00:12:32.591 --> 00:12:35.481 Some of these memories are difficult to verbalize. 00:12:36.231 --> 00:12:40.611 But, Mother wasn't horrible to me all the time. 00:12:41.621 --> 00:12:43.121 but I just stayed in my room. 00:12:44.211 --> 00:12:49.601 thankfully, through my birth mother, I learned the love of reading. 00:12:51.311 --> 00:12:55.211 My, my birth mother was not absent from my life, completely, 00:12:55.211 --> 00:12:57.081 but she was gone a long time. 00:12:57.511 --> 00:13:03.351 She, went to work as a civil servant, civil service person for the government 00:13:03.411 --> 00:13:08.641 and, was stationed in Germany for a few years and, met another man. 00:13:09.171 --> 00:13:09.901 that sounded weird. 00:13:09.981 --> 00:13:10.461 I'm sorry. 00:13:10.651 --> 00:13:15.111 She met a very nice man who was in the air force in Germany. 00:13:15.491 --> 00:13:16.751 And they married. 00:13:16.751 --> 00:13:20.231 And then I have two half brothers from that marriage. 00:13:20.898 --> 00:13:26.918 mom would send me books, black Beauty, treasure Island, Robinson, Caruso. 00:13:26.998 --> 00:13:32.368 some of you, miss listening, may not know who those books are about, , but 00:13:32.398 --> 00:13:35.518 they were pretty popular in the 1950s. 00:13:36.188 --> 00:13:38.138 so I learned to read. 00:13:39.228 --> 00:13:42.398 And I also learned to play solitaire. 00:13:43.158 --> 00:13:45.128 Of course I would play solitaire. 00:13:45.198 --> 00:13:50.478 I didn't have enough confidence to play even old maid with other people. 00:13:50.928 --> 00:13:52.418 So I was in my room a lot. 00:13:52.808 --> 00:13:56.398 And my stepmother would tease me about that. 00:13:56.788 --> 00:13:58.348 I just wanted to stay out of the way. 00:13:58.998 --> 00:14:03.025 I didn't want to bring any disparaging remarks down on my head. 00:14:03.778 --> 00:14:10.444 I did enjoy my brother and my two sisters, lovely people, my two sisters 00:14:10.484 --> 00:14:17.804 were not tiny taros, but they were little taros to me and, to each other. 00:14:17.834 --> 00:14:21.054 They would do things around the house and then tell mother that I did them, 00:14:22.304 --> 00:14:24.284 but she was smart enough to know. 00:14:25.954 --> 00:14:28.389 So I didn't get punished for anything that they did. 00:14:28.389 --> 00:14:30.449 Probably did. 00:14:31.009 --> 00:14:34.069 so your dad had gotten out of the ministry? 00:14:34.839 --> 00:14:35.469 Yes. 00:14:35.469 --> 00:14:37.749 Thank you, Becky, for getting me back on track. 00:14:37.849 --> 00:14:43.619 dad left the ministry, which wasn't really traumatic for me. 00:14:44.729 --> 00:14:46.799 It certainly was for his mother. 00:14:46.889 --> 00:14:48.269 She just couldn't understand it. 00:14:49.109 --> 00:14:52.159 But at any rate, dad became a successful businessman. 00:14:53.284 --> 00:14:58.464 And, when I graduated high school, there was money to send me off to college. 00:14:58.934 --> 00:15:03.934 So I didn't go far, but I did live on campus. 00:15:04.074 --> 00:15:06.764 It was, maybe an hour and a half, two hours from home. 00:15:08.504 --> 00:15:14.844 So for the first time in my life, I had freedom to a certain degree. 00:15:15.004 --> 00:15:20.999 Now granted, I did go to my classes, I did go where I was to be, I had been taught to 00:15:20.999 --> 00:15:25.999 be obedient, certainly by my grandmother and then also by daddy and my stepmother. 00:15:26.019 --> 00:15:31.073 So I, I did what I was supposed to do, but I lost my way. 00:15:31.296 --> 00:15:37.686 I lost my way wanting to be liked, wanting to fit in. 00:15:38.016 --> 00:15:44.579 So somehow I was brave enough to, interact with a few people when 00:15:44.579 --> 00:15:46.069 there were very small groups. 00:15:46.446 --> 00:15:53.779 And in the second semester, which was in the winter of 1965, a guy 00:15:53.779 --> 00:15:55.949 transferred in from New York. 00:15:56.333 --> 00:16:01.933 So I was introduced to this guy and we began to hang out together 00:16:02.093 --> 00:16:08.153 and then we dated and then it might have been two times, it might have 00:16:08.153 --> 00:16:10.113 been three, I really don't remember. 00:16:10.493 --> 00:16:12.926 We had sex, off campus of course. 00:16:13.236 --> 00:16:17.083 I wasn't coerced, I just wanted to be light. 00:16:17.596 --> 00:16:20.706 So I said, looking for love, why not? 00:16:21.049 --> 00:16:22.944 It was unprotected sex. 00:16:23.211 --> 00:16:27.964 So I left my freshman year of college and went home in May 00:16:28.021 --> 00:16:29.621 and discovered I was pregnant. 00:16:30.938 --> 00:16:32.934 Oh golly, I am worthless. 00:16:33.594 --> 00:16:35.304 There's nothing good about me. 00:16:35.901 --> 00:16:36.861 What have I done? 00:16:37.608 --> 00:16:39.248 What is my daddy gonna say? 00:16:40.134 --> 00:16:44.378 How can I tell anybody that I'm going to have a baby? 00:16:44.794 --> 00:16:46.384 I was scared to death. 00:16:47.214 --> 00:16:49.434 not really to death, but I was pretty scared. 00:16:50.044 --> 00:16:53.964 And I had walked so far away from Christian faith, 00:16:54.134 --> 00:16:56.514 I didn't even think to pray. 00:16:57.094 --> 00:16:59.204 I didn't ask our Heavenly Father. 00:16:59.204 --> 00:17:02.634 I didn't ask my Lord Jesus. 00:17:02.854 --> 00:17:07.644 I didn't ask the Holy Spirit who indwelled me. 00:17:09.154 --> 00:17:10.534 Why do I do? 00:17:11.401 --> 00:17:12.841 So I waited 00:17:13.494 --> 00:17:18.124 until my fifth month to tell my parents that I was pregnant. 00:17:18.714 --> 00:17:21.844 The first thing Daddy had to do was cancel. 00:17:22.533 --> 00:17:26.446 My sophomore year at college, because of course I couldn't go. 00:17:26.603 --> 00:17:31.846 it was not something that people were okay with as it seems society 00:17:31.846 --> 00:17:34.649 is today to be an unwed mother. 00:17:34.999 --> 00:17:36.959 this was before Roe v. 00:17:36.959 --> 00:17:39.799 Wade, and I'm very thankful for that. 00:17:40.166 --> 00:17:43.916 I don't think that my father being a Christian man, he was. 00:17:44.239 --> 00:17:50.249 would have asked that of me, but because I had no self esteem, had I 00:17:50.289 --> 00:17:53.289 been told to do that, I might have. 00:17:53.289 --> 00:17:54.213 Speaker 4: Yes. 00:17:54.213 --> 00:17:55.723 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:17:56.629 --> 00:18:01.133 So I am very grateful to our Heavenly Father that I did not 00:18:01.403 --> 00:18:03.083 have to face that decision. 00:18:03.966 --> 00:18:09.746 My dad took over, made all the decisions, which was normal, because I knew I 00:18:09.746 --> 00:18:12.386 wasn't good enough to make any decisions. 00:18:13.326 --> 00:18:17.870 Especially not now, not after that decision to have unprotected 00:18:18.100 --> 00:18:22.703 sex with a boy I hardly knew who was from Yonkers, New York. 00:18:23.290 --> 00:18:27.100 my dad made the decision that I would give my child up. 00:18:27.257 --> 00:18:33.299 And, in God's divine plan, my daddy's sister, her husband and three 00:18:33.299 --> 00:18:35.469 sons, lived in Phoenix, Arizona. 00:18:36.190 --> 00:18:41.004 So daddy contacted my aunt who just, she was almost a 00:18:41.004 --> 00:18:42.954 carbon copy of my grandmother. 00:18:43.284 --> 00:18:48.064 So those two women were the bright spots of my life. 00:18:48.514 --> 00:18:52.944 I did have wonderful female role models. 00:18:53.884 --> 00:19:00.734 My mother didn't want me, my stepmother didn't like me, but my grandmama and 00:19:00.734 --> 00:19:04.014 my aunt loved me to the moon and back. 00:19:04.854 --> 00:19:05.804 Thank you, Jesus. 00:19:07.224 --> 00:19:09.849 that's how Jesus steps in isn't. 00:19:10.059 --> 00:19:10.479 Mm-Hmm. 00:19:11.074 --> 00:19:17.684 . at times I have had great regret, Becky, that I didn't recognize 00:19:17.684 --> 00:19:23.394 it immediately when I was given such beautiful gifts by the Lord. 00:19:24.232 --> 00:19:27.352 But, I'm so happy that I've lived long enough. 00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:33.583 That I think I know, or I'm aware of, most of, is great love for me. 00:19:34.282 --> 00:19:39.962 So, I flew for the very first time on a plane from Georgia to Phoenix, 00:19:39.962 --> 00:19:44.253 Arizona, and, my three cousins, one who was the oldest, was the 00:19:44.253 --> 00:19:47.613 same age I was, and then there were two stair step younger brothers. 00:19:47.856 --> 00:19:51.223 They were so loving to me. 00:19:51.253 --> 00:19:56.773 They were thrilled to have Cousin Kay in their home, even though one, they 00:19:56.803 --> 00:20:00.853 all had their own bedrooms, so one had to double up with another one. 00:20:01.263 --> 00:20:03.273 So I could have my own bedroom. 00:20:03.656 --> 00:20:08.842 I was there from October until I delivered in February. 00:20:09.351 --> 00:20:16.352 my aunt and uncle were such godly people, just loved on me, 00:20:16.692 --> 00:20:20.662 just took such great care of me. 00:20:21.020 --> 00:20:24.340 We all went to church as a family on Sundays. 00:20:24.869 --> 00:20:29.479 I think my aunt and uncle probably shared with their friends a 00:20:29.489 --> 00:20:32.959 fabrication of my situation. 00:20:33.549 --> 00:20:43.625 The Vietnam War in 1965 was beginning to get, bad So I think they told their 00:20:43.625 --> 00:20:46.955 friends that my husband was in Vietnam. 00:20:47.310 --> 00:20:50.170 I doubt many people believed that. 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:55.120 Why wouldn't I be with my family in Georgia instead of with them? 00:20:55.130 --> 00:20:56.993 But everybody was nice to me. 00:20:57.270 --> 00:21:00.670 Nobody, looked at me like, she's not worth much. 00:21:00.930 --> 00:21:05.960 going to worship service with this family that just loved me, 00:21:06.286 --> 00:21:13.935 brought me not back to Jesus just yet, but reminded me that He's alive, He 00:21:13.935 --> 00:21:17.868 cares, He's loving, and He's amazing. 00:21:18.298 --> 00:21:23.512 I gave birth on February 14th, in 1966. 00:21:24.732 --> 00:21:28.632 The adoption was arranged through the physician's office. 00:21:29.347 --> 00:21:35.553 I knew nothing about the couple, and they knew very little about me. 00:21:36.280 --> 00:21:38.100 That's the way it was supposed to be. 00:21:38.770 --> 00:21:44.213 And I was not allowed to know anything about my baby. 00:21:44.513 --> 00:21:45.073 nothing. 00:21:45.273 --> 00:21:48.600 And not allowed to see the child, certainly. 00:21:49.270 --> 00:21:51.100 I'll digress a little bit, Becky. 00:21:51.277 --> 00:21:55.762 If I had held my baby, I don't think I could have given her up. 00:21:56.012 --> 00:21:57.452 I really don't. 00:21:57.945 --> 00:22:03.752 Yet, I was fully confident that I was doing what was right for her. 00:22:03.752 --> 00:22:12.922 No, I did not know the sex of my baby. 00:22:13.325 --> 00:22:15.915 I had a fairly easy birth, I think. 00:22:16.025 --> 00:22:19.252 my aunt and uncle's pastor came to the hospital. 00:22:19.302 --> 00:22:23.582 and sat with me for a little while the one night I was there. 00:22:23.938 --> 00:22:27.368 And before he left, of course, he prayed for me. 00:22:27.672 --> 00:22:32.895 And in his prayer, this lovely man, without thinking about 00:22:32.935 --> 00:22:35.312 it, prayed for my baby girl. 00:22:35.662 --> 00:22:37.592 He used the word, she. 00:22:38.145 --> 00:22:41.422 What a gift from my Heavenly Father. 00:22:42.142 --> 00:22:43.882 I knew I had a girl. 00:22:44.218 --> 00:22:47.368 I would have been just as overjoyed had it been a boy. 00:22:47.708 --> 00:22:55.682 But knowing my baby girl was going to bring joy to a couple gave me peace. 00:22:56.568 --> 00:22:57.898 I was still a mess. 00:22:58.348 --> 00:23:00.098 I was such a mess. 00:23:01.549 --> 00:23:06.759 I might have transferred to my child all the insecurities and hurts. 00:23:07.172 --> 00:23:11.462 Not that I would have done anything to her as was done to me, but 00:23:12.060 --> 00:23:17.353 I was just too insecure to be the mother I wanted her to have. 00:23:18.651 --> 00:23:26.571 She was born February 14th, my birthday, February 10th. 00:23:26.851 --> 00:23:29.571 Valentine's Day, how good is our God? 00:23:30.011 --> 00:23:31.741 Valentine's Day. 00:23:33.116 --> 00:23:36.406 So that was always a bittersweet day for me. 00:23:36.486 --> 00:23:40.456 of course it brought joy to think about my little girl, age one, age 00:23:40.456 --> 00:23:43.656 two, age four, age 10, whatever. 00:23:44.196 --> 00:23:46.146 so that was just really sweet. 00:23:48.146 --> 00:23:52.556 But I have to say Mother's Day was always. 00:23:55.276 --> 00:23:56.696 So terribly difficult. 00:23:57.946 --> 00:23:59.406 I never had another child. 00:24:00.756 --> 00:24:03.686 I don't know why, but I did not. 00:24:04.176 --> 00:24:05.536 She is my only child. 00:24:07.536 --> 00:24:12.898 So I flew back home to Georgia and nothing was talked about. 00:24:13.223 --> 00:24:13.823 Nothing. 00:24:14.235 --> 00:24:14.715 Nothing. 00:24:14.825 --> 00:24:15.835 How do you feel? 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:17.610 What do you want to do now? 00:24:17.940 --> 00:24:23.110 None of that that I recall, which was fairly typical in my relationship 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:24.600 with my dad and my stepmom. 00:24:25.361 --> 00:24:27.691 Everybody just acted like normal. 00:24:28.162 --> 00:24:33.280 Now my stepbrother and my stepsister knew what had happened. 00:24:33.510 --> 00:24:38.370 They were in the other room the evening that I told my parents I was pregnant. 00:24:39.050 --> 00:24:43.460 My youngest sister, my half sister, didn't know until many years later. 00:24:44.331 --> 00:24:47.941 it was decided for me that I would go to business school, 00:24:48.851 --> 00:24:49.961 certainly not go back to school. 00:24:51.361 --> 00:24:55.921 so I would ride the bus from my grandparents house to downtown Atlanta 00:24:55.921 --> 00:24:58.901 to go to business school, ride back home. 00:24:59.605 --> 00:25:01.315 And that was my existence. 00:25:01.718 --> 00:25:02.448 However, 00:25:03.021 --> 00:25:10.483 down the street from our house lived, uh, mom and dad, two sons, Both sons were 00:25:10.493 --> 00:25:14.103 great friends of my brother and my sister. 00:25:15.673 --> 00:25:18.593 Their dad was a pilot for Delta Air Lines. 00:25:19.413 --> 00:25:21.773 And I don't remember exactly how it came about. 00:25:24.753 --> 00:25:29.353 He had me interview with his great friend who was over all the flight 00:25:29.353 --> 00:25:31.373 attendants for Delta Airlines. 00:25:32.433 --> 00:25:35.103 So I became a flight attendant. 00:25:36.923 --> 00:25:40.963 Mousy, insecure, little K. 00:25:41.603 --> 00:25:47.746 So I was thrust into having to say, Hello, how may I help you? 00:25:49.686 --> 00:25:51.576 What can I get you to drink? 00:25:51.586 --> 00:25:52.636 things like that. 00:25:52.686 --> 00:25:58.381 And Forced to be with a group of women, other flight attendants. 00:25:58.481 --> 00:26:04.561 and, just to digress a little bit, Through that wonderful job I 00:26:04.561 --> 00:26:07.841 had, It was wonderful back then, I understand it's not so much now. 00:26:08.201 --> 00:26:12.371 I had four friends, we were all roommates. 00:26:12.768 --> 00:26:15.918 That was in 1967. 00:26:16.538 --> 00:26:18.551 We are still good friends. 00:26:18.968 --> 00:26:24.501 We email each other every Friday just relaying the events of 00:26:24.501 --> 00:26:26.601 the week or what's upcoming. 00:26:27.058 --> 00:26:29.688 Wonderful, wonderful friends. 00:26:30.191 --> 00:26:32.951 Four of us lived around the Atlanta area. 00:26:33.371 --> 00:26:39.891 One married a fellow And she lives in Minnesota, but I digressed. 00:26:39.951 --> 00:26:40.501 I'm sorry. 00:26:41.591 --> 00:26:51.861 I had that job as a flight attendant, and I still didn't have the relationship with 00:26:51.861 --> 00:26:58.111 our Heavenly Father, with the Lord Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, that I could have had. 00:26:58.801 --> 00:27:03.351 I knew they were there, but what they want to have to do with me? 00:27:03.491 --> 00:27:10.336 I knew going to church was a good thing, and I could do that easily, 00:27:10.966 --> 00:27:15.346 but just going to church, that doesn't mean you have a relationship. 00:27:16.936 --> 00:27:23.429 they were there, they were as close as my breath, but I chose not to be 00:27:23.729 --> 00:27:26.856 involved, unconsciously chose that. 00:27:27.676 --> 00:27:34.596 I want to share with you that we cannot do anything so bad. 00:27:36.121 --> 00:27:39.191 that it will cause God to love us any less. 00:27:41.831 --> 00:27:44.651 But at that time in my life, I did not know it. 00:27:46.211 --> 00:27:50.181 Even into my mid twenties, I didn't know it. 00:27:50.771 --> 00:27:53.001 I also didn't know He had a plan for me. 00:27:53.558 --> 00:27:57.018 Um, my third marriage started in 1982. 00:27:57.221 --> 00:28:00.761 Before we married, I told him that I had a child. 00:28:00.991 --> 00:28:01.301 so. 00:28:01.618 --> 00:28:02.598 In the early 1990s, 00:28:04.598 --> 00:28:11.418 I happened to read an article in a magazine about an agency in Nevada 00:28:11.594 --> 00:28:14.134 that helped people find each other. 00:28:14.616 --> 00:28:16.746 in my mind, I put two and two together. 00:28:16.906 --> 00:28:19.906 Nevada borders Arizona. 00:28:20.549 --> 00:28:23.139 why not contact this agency? 00:28:23.573 --> 00:28:27.523 this was before computers, before email. 00:28:28.016 --> 00:28:29.816 I applied for an application. 00:28:30.566 --> 00:28:36.426 I wrote for an application and, received it, completed it, and submitted it. 00:28:37.479 --> 00:28:41.589 Hopeful, but not expecting anything as a result. 00:28:43.589 --> 00:28:48.753 Little did I know that God really did have a plan. 00:28:49.013 --> 00:28:50.283 It was Him. 00:28:50.626 --> 00:28:52.106 It was the Lord Jesus. 00:28:52.206 --> 00:28:57.556 It was the Holy Spirit who had me pick up that magazine. 00:28:58.486 --> 00:29:04.206 And turn the page to the article about this agency. 00:29:05.019 --> 00:29:06.089 So my life went on. 00:29:06.099 --> 00:29:07.886 It was not a bad life. 00:29:08.369 --> 00:29:09.529 It was just lukewarm. 00:29:10.233 --> 00:29:15.716 I did decide to renew my relationship with God. 00:29:16.313 --> 00:29:20.683 I knew that I needed God in my life. 00:29:21.433 --> 00:29:25.069 So I had lived for years without him. 00:29:25.539 --> 00:29:28.069 Now I knew I needed to live. 00:29:29.773 --> 00:29:35.739 However, my participation with the Father mostly was just sitting in the 00:29:35.739 --> 00:29:40.839 pew on Sunday morning, listening to the prayers, singing the old hymns, 00:29:41.159 --> 00:29:45.259 listening to the message, telling everyone, nice to see you, have a 00:29:45.259 --> 00:29:50.609 good week, shaking the pastor's hand, walking out the door, going home. 00:29:51.316 --> 00:29:53.126 Of course, I was sitting by myself. 00:29:53.379 --> 00:29:58.109 I did finally decide to participate in Sunday school. 00:29:58.546 --> 00:30:06.193 and I also diligently tried to serve in isolated activities at church. 00:30:06.459 --> 00:30:09.099 for example, working in the church library. 00:30:09.199 --> 00:30:12.176 It was just me in there, helping people find books. 00:30:12.386 --> 00:30:15.366 or receiving books back that they had checked out. 00:30:15.729 --> 00:30:17.979 But nothing was fulfilling. 00:30:18.356 --> 00:30:19.376 Nothing was. 00:30:19.556 --> 00:30:21.606 Were you still also a flight attendant? 00:30:22.556 --> 00:30:24.406 I'm sorry, no, I left that part out. 00:30:24.786 --> 00:30:26.496 again, I'll digress a little bit. 00:30:26.866 --> 00:30:34.916 My first husband, had been in ROTC when he attended Georgia Tech, and after he 00:30:34.916 --> 00:30:41.186 graduated with his engineering degree, He was committed to serve in the army. 00:30:42.156 --> 00:30:47.726 he was stationed out in Fort Collins, Colorado before being shipped to Vietnam 00:30:47.816 --> 00:30:54.106 and no, he did not serve on the front lines, but I had asked the gentleman 00:30:54.116 --> 00:30:59.956 who oversaw the personnel operations, if I could have a leave of absence and 00:30:59.956 --> 00:31:08.266 his answer was no, because I was, again, the So when secure, I didn't push back. 00:31:08.316 --> 00:31:14.236 I just said, okay, then I'm going to have to resign because I want these. 00:31:14.761 --> 00:31:19.081 three months before my husband goes to Vietnam with him every day. 00:31:19.911 --> 00:31:24.121 So thank you for reminding me I didn't explain that part. 00:31:25.791 --> 00:31:29.971 But I still stayed in touch with those dear roommates, precious women. 00:31:30.601 --> 00:31:35.534 So tried Sunday school, tried the volunteer activities, 00:31:35.654 --> 00:31:37.484 and nothing was fulfilling. 00:31:37.484 --> 00:31:39.204 What was wrong with me? 00:31:40.694 --> 00:31:41.934 Nothing really worked. 00:31:43.934 --> 00:31:46.304 I was still empty inside. 00:31:47.714 --> 00:31:50.434 I was trying to find a relationship with God. 00:31:51.189 --> 00:31:52.859 But I was still empty. 00:31:52.899 --> 00:31:54.859 I couldn't find my place. 00:31:56.349 --> 00:31:59.149 I was, I just felt so alone. 00:32:01.509 --> 00:32:06.194 during all of 2005, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I I stayed 00:32:06.194 --> 00:32:07.844 away from church completely. 00:32:08.214 --> 00:32:12.044 I didn't have bad feelings, I just thought, Okay, Frank won't go to church 00:32:12.074 --> 00:32:14.374 with me, I'm gonna stay home with him. 00:32:14.904 --> 00:32:20.314 Maybe we can watch church on TV, or at least listen, to something, 00:32:20.394 --> 00:32:21.984 and of course that never happened. 00:32:23.984 --> 00:32:28.664 I'm not 100 percent sure why I made that choice to stay away for a whole year. 00:32:29.332 --> 00:32:34.152 So, by neglecting to do anything for Jesus, for our Heavenly Father, I 00:32:34.222 --> 00:32:37.332 still was really lukewarm in my faith. 00:32:38.422 --> 00:32:46.072 I knew He was there, but He wasn't here, as close as my breath, in 2006, 00:32:48.212 --> 00:32:53.122 I'd had enough of staying away from church, and I finally 00:32:53.272 --> 00:32:54.732 surrendered myself, completely. 00:32:56.732 --> 00:33:00.212 What was it different from before you may be wondering? 00:33:02.182 --> 00:33:11.742 I was just completely, absolutely weary of being so frightened of everything 00:33:12.662 --> 00:33:16.812 and so unsure of everything in my life. 00:33:18.532 --> 00:33:19.482 I'd had enough of that. 00:33:20.602 --> 00:33:22.102 I didn't want that anymore. 00:33:24.482 --> 00:33:31.622 And thus, I finally recognized that I had no one to turn to. 00:33:32.492 --> 00:33:40.882 But God, if I really wanted my life to improve, yes, I had 00:33:40.882 --> 00:33:42.992 a husband, I had my family. 00:33:43.652 --> 00:33:48.056 I had those precious friends from when I was a flight attendant, but 00:33:48.362 --> 00:33:51.916 it didn't fill me up like I wanted it to be filled. 00:33:52.532 --> 00:33:53.612 So it's okay. 00:33:53.652 --> 00:33:54.812 The great surrender. 00:33:55.292 --> 00:33:56.142 Yes. 00:33:56.672 --> 00:33:57.422 Yes. 00:33:58.042 --> 00:34:02.102 I had put up an invisible wall between my family and me. 00:34:02.102 --> 00:34:04.172 Of course, I still went to family gatherings. 00:34:04.902 --> 00:34:07.452 but there was just a wall there. 00:34:08.672 --> 00:34:15.582 so in 2006, I decided it was time to change. 00:34:16.042 --> 00:34:21.892 I had no clue what was going to occur in 2006. 00:34:22.847 --> 00:34:23.897 But God did. 00:34:24.797 --> 00:34:25.757 Jesus did. 00:34:26.427 --> 00:34:27.777 The Holy Spirit did. 00:34:29.223 --> 00:34:34.896 In March of that year, I went back to my home church during 00:34:34.896 --> 00:34:37.266 my first worship service back. 00:34:37.786 --> 00:34:40.156 I was taken by the music. 00:34:40.666 --> 00:34:42.106 Even though I couldn't sing. 00:34:42.576 --> 00:34:44.526 I always enjoyed music. 00:34:45.189 --> 00:34:48.394 I never sung in a choir before, but guess what? 00:34:49.114 --> 00:34:50.614 This is unbelievable. 00:34:51.279 --> 00:34:54.639 The Holy Spirit told me to join the choir. 00:34:55.202 --> 00:34:56.582 Join the choir? 00:34:57.322 --> 00:34:58.622 Are you kidding me? 00:34:59.402 --> 00:35:03.440 But he kept poking me, if you want to look at it that way. 00:35:03.670 --> 00:35:05.200 Join the choir. 00:35:05.972 --> 00:35:08.332 I don't know how long I waited, but it was a while. 00:35:09.177 --> 00:35:14.577 And I don't know how I got up nerve enough to go to church on Wednesday night, 00:35:14.577 --> 00:35:17.457 which was when choir practice occurred. 00:35:18.307 --> 00:35:21.907 And I walked in and because I had just been a pew sitter, 00:35:22.197 --> 00:35:23.917 I had no clue where to go. 00:35:24.772 --> 00:35:29.834 So I started down a hall, and coming toward me was a lovely 00:35:29.834 --> 00:35:35.244 woman that I had met when I had attempted to go to Sunday school. 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.120 She was in the orchestra. 00:35:37.436 --> 00:35:41.596 So I said, Beth, I'm trying to find where the choir rehearses. 00:35:41.726 --> 00:35:42.476 Oh, I'll take you. 00:35:42.476 --> 00:35:42.976 Come on. 00:35:43.461 --> 00:35:47.531 we walked through a lot of people, and there was the choir 00:35:47.531 --> 00:35:49.561 room right behind the sanctuary. 00:35:50.606 --> 00:35:56.465 So, as we got to the door, there was, just this short, big 00:35:56.475 --> 00:35:59.965 personality woman who said, Hi! 00:36:00.095 --> 00:36:07.115 And Beth introduced the lady and I, and this sweet woman says, What do you sing? 00:36:07.513 --> 00:36:08.593 What do I sing? 00:36:09.003 --> 00:36:10.203 I have no idea. 00:36:10.769 --> 00:36:12.019 I said, I don't know. 00:36:12.459 --> 00:36:15.289 And Sharon said, That's alright, come with me, we'll figure it out. 00:36:16.799 --> 00:36:22.622 I spent six years making a joyful noise, and it was wonderful. 00:36:23.101 --> 00:36:24.551 It was wonderful. 00:36:24.875 --> 00:36:27.445 that was really a positive step. 00:36:27.902 --> 00:36:31.552 I'm not going to say the Holy Spirit pushed me, because the Holy 00:36:31.572 --> 00:36:33.722 Trinity doesn't operate that way. 00:36:34.512 --> 00:36:36.372 I had to make a choice. 00:36:37.052 --> 00:36:39.127 Forget it, or obey it. 00:36:39.811 --> 00:36:41.031 so glad I obeyed. 00:36:41.600 --> 00:36:42.550 so glad. 00:36:43.015 --> 00:36:44.905 there was another big change coming. 00:36:45.632 --> 00:36:55.529 In the fall of 2006, I took a giant leap and attended a Thursday 00:36:55.529 --> 00:36:59.269 night women's group at my church. 00:36:59.892 --> 00:37:03.542 I walked in not knowing one single person. 00:37:04.124 --> 00:37:05.354 Those ladies 00:37:05.963 --> 00:37:08.293 loved me from the start. 00:37:08.886 --> 00:37:16.319 Not because of who I was, But because of who Jesus was in them, they thought I had 00:37:16.359 --> 00:37:19.198 worth and they wanted to get to know me. 00:37:19.687 --> 00:37:23.457 They really wanted to get to know me. 00:37:24.257 --> 00:37:26.267 They thought I might be a good friend. 00:37:26.612 --> 00:37:30.951 So I kept attending and the walls began to crumble. 00:37:31.523 --> 00:37:37.084 Such freedom when those chains fall, when the walls crumble. 00:37:37.784 --> 00:37:42.542 And I knew, I'm gonna get emotional, I knew my God was outside 00:37:44.542 --> 00:37:48.092 waiting for me to step out of that rubble. 00:37:50.312 --> 00:37:56.212 Well, I'm not really good at athletics but I think I jumped over that pile of rubble. 00:37:57.772 --> 00:37:58.892 that's the way it is. 00:37:59.462 --> 00:37:59.872 yeah. 00:38:00.621 --> 00:38:04.869 My heart jumps all the time when I think about certain things 00:38:04.869 --> 00:38:06.189 regarding the Holy Trinity. 00:38:07.175 --> 00:38:11.085 I had finally allowed Jesus to get me into action. 00:38:11.667 --> 00:38:17.652 He had allowed me to decide whether or not to open, completely 00:38:17.712 --> 00:38:20.872 open, the door of my life to Him. 00:38:21.112 --> 00:38:23.172 He does not force. 00:38:23.643 --> 00:38:29.801 He knocks on the door and waits for us to open it and answer 00:38:30.183 --> 00:38:31.893 and say, Welcome, my Lord. 00:38:32.693 --> 00:38:38.703 How grateful I am that at long last, I did have an ear to 00:38:38.793 --> 00:38:42.343 hear and know it was for me. 00:38:42.716 --> 00:38:49.509 No matter what had occurred in my prior life, Jesus had died a 00:38:49.579 --> 00:38:53.316 brutal death to wash me of my sins. 00:38:54.125 --> 00:38:54.675 Me! 00:38:54.923 --> 00:38:57.293 That worthless little six year old girl. 00:38:57.857 --> 00:39:00.115 And now this older woman. 00:39:00.924 --> 00:39:03.904 let's get to the really good next step. 00:39:04.644 --> 00:39:09.296 Sunday after Thanksgiving in 2006, I received a phone call 00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:13.169 from the agency in Nevada. 00:39:13.427 --> 00:39:17.807 The International Soundex Reunion Registry. 00:39:18.327 --> 00:39:22.337 It's an odd name, but they were an amazing organization. 00:39:22.993 --> 00:39:29.732 The kind woman who called me said that they knew they had found my daughter. 00:39:31.732 --> 00:39:34.088 found my daughter, 00:39:35.288 --> 00:39:38.008 Kay, what would you like to do about this? 00:39:38.078 --> 00:39:41.688 And I just wanted to shout, what do I want to do? 00:39:42.188 --> 00:39:43.988 I want to know her. 00:39:44.948 --> 00:39:52.505 But this lovely woman said that she would not tell me at that time anything about 00:39:52.505 --> 00:40:01.415 my daughter, that she would call her, tell her they had found her biological 00:40:01.455 --> 00:40:05.155 mother and ask her what she wanted to do. 00:40:07.740 --> 00:40:15.325 So, a few hours later, this lovely woman called back and said that my daughter 00:40:15.545 --> 00:40:18.655 would call me the following evening. 00:40:20.025 --> 00:40:27.444 So, on Monday evening, I got a phone call like no other I've ever had in my life. 00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:32.950 We talked for about an hour and a half, and it was amazing. 00:40:33.494 --> 00:40:37.944 My daughter was so kind, so interested in me. 00:40:38.634 --> 00:40:43.084 She never once said anything like, How could you do that? 00:40:43.790 --> 00:40:45.270 Why did you give me up? 00:40:46.334 --> 00:40:50.214 She shared so much about her life. 00:40:50.904 --> 00:40:56.044 It turns out that her adoptive parents were both deceased. 00:40:56.774 --> 00:41:00.564 she said she wasn't sure that she would have tried to find me. 00:41:01.074 --> 00:41:02.814 until after they had died. 00:41:04.024 --> 00:41:08.634 But a few years, her mother was the last to die and a few years after that death, 00:41:09.374 --> 00:41:12.724 my daughter's best friend said, don't you think it's time to find your mother? 00:41:13.696 --> 00:41:20.273 So Cindy filled out the application and sent it in to this agency in Nevada. 00:41:20.883 --> 00:41:25.683 And in one week, there was an immediate match. 00:41:27.003 --> 00:41:30.933 I had waited from the early 1990s. 00:41:33.238 --> 00:41:35.088 November of 2006. 00:41:35.548 --> 00:41:37.498 She only had to wait a week. 00:41:38.478 --> 00:41:39.648 Which is perfect. 00:41:39.648 --> 00:41:41.166 It's perfect for me. 00:41:42.316 --> 00:41:50.186 So, Cindy went on to tell me that I had four grandchildren. 00:41:50.896 --> 00:41:52.906 My cup overflowed. 00:41:54.186 --> 00:41:56.096 Two girls and two boys. 00:41:56.826 --> 00:41:59.381 At that time, they were ages two and three. 00:41:59.721 --> 00:42:02.571 four, nine, and thirteen. 00:42:03.851 --> 00:42:10.714 Now they are nineteen, twenty one, twenty six, and thirty. 00:42:11.272 --> 00:42:14.202 They live in a suburb of Denver, Colorado. 00:42:14.950 --> 00:42:17.132 That's kind of far, but it's okay. 00:42:17.132 --> 00:42:22.682 Delta flies there, because, we were approaching the Christmas holidays 00:42:22.722 --> 00:42:28.572 and they had specific plans with her husband's family members. 00:42:28.912 --> 00:42:35.622 I decided to wait until January to fly out to Denver to actually see them. 00:42:36.092 --> 00:42:42.674 In the meantime, This sweet woman sent me a notebook with copies of 00:42:42.784 --> 00:42:50.686 photographs from her life, from infant, age two, elementary school, high school. 00:42:51.128 --> 00:42:55.238 it was just The most beautifully overwhelming thing. 00:42:55.328 --> 00:42:57.538 Overwhelming is probably the wrong word. 00:42:57.598 --> 00:42:59.368 That has a negative connotation. 00:42:59.378 --> 00:43:02.662 But, it just brought me so much joy. 00:43:02.911 --> 00:43:05.831 and of course, she sent a nice letter. 00:43:06.136 --> 00:43:09.756 framed portrait of she and her husband and the four kids. 00:43:10.448 --> 00:43:14.209 So in January, I flew out to Denver, never been out there before. 00:43:14.209 --> 00:43:16.749 And it's a gorgeous place, by the way, if you haven't been. 00:43:17.759 --> 00:43:22.578 When I walked into the airport terminal and got to the top of the escalator, 00:43:22.867 --> 00:43:25.921 there she was with the four children. 00:43:26.051 --> 00:43:28.791 She had allowed the older two to stay out of school. 00:43:29.030 --> 00:43:31.984 And those precious kids were holding a precious child. 00:43:32.110 --> 00:43:37.005 Huge sign that they had drawn, welcome grandma Kay. 00:43:38.945 --> 00:43:40.325 I still have the sign. 00:43:41.315 --> 00:43:42.645 Still have the sign. 00:43:43.155 --> 00:43:50.955 Oh, as an aside, my sister who was a little crazy, by the way, she said, are 00:43:50.975 --> 00:43:52.665 you going to let them call you grandma? 00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:56.120 My response was, Laura, they can call me anything they want to. 00:43:58.020 --> 00:44:01.760 As long as they know I am their grandmother. 00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:08.010 the older two understood, the situation, circumstance of Cindy's birth. 00:44:08.390 --> 00:44:13.700 The younger two, I mean, she told them who knows how much, probably the 00:44:13.700 --> 00:44:19.390 two year old didn't really understand anything, but they were precious to me. 00:44:20.490 --> 00:44:25.705 Probably because Cindy was so loved and so precious. 00:44:27.255 --> 00:44:31.505 so we drove from the airport to their house, about half an hour drive. 00:44:32.015 --> 00:44:36.045 And Cindy took me upstairs to the room they use as their guest bedroom. 00:44:37.825 --> 00:44:46.005 And when I walked in, Becky, there was an enormous bouquet of red roses. 00:44:47.825 --> 00:44:49.835 There were 40 of them. 00:44:51.835 --> 00:44:53.555 She was 40 years old. 00:44:55.755 --> 00:44:58.965 And she said, Kay, these are for you. 00:44:59.695 --> 00:45:01.245 They're just 40 years 00:45:01.245 --> 00:45:03.145 Speaker 4: left. 00:45:03.705 --> 00:45:05.095 Speaker 3: Ooh, that would have brought tears. 00:45:05.505 --> 00:45:06.625 Yes, I did. 00:45:06.685 --> 00:45:07.485 I did cry. 00:45:07.535 --> 00:45:08.555 I didn't sob. 00:45:09.085 --> 00:45:10.520 I had happy tears. 00:45:12.689 --> 00:45:14.749 Finally, I was like Cinderella. 00:45:16.454 --> 00:45:20.804 she left me to go start working on dinner and for me to 00:45:20.804 --> 00:45:22.404 unpack and hang up my things. 00:45:23.108 --> 00:45:28.886 I heard the garage door open and heard Chris, her husband, walk into the house. 00:45:28.886 --> 00:45:33.466 So, I stopped what I was doing before I got to the bottom of the stairs. 00:45:34.098 --> 00:45:39.965 This wonderful man walked across the den with his arms outstretched 00:45:41.115 --> 00:45:43.765 saying, Welcome to the family, Kay. 00:45:45.765 --> 00:45:46.725 I didn't sob. 00:45:47.345 --> 00:45:48.455 I held it together. 00:45:49.195 --> 00:45:51.795 That was such a gift. 00:45:53.275 --> 00:46:01.485 I mean, God gave me so many gifts that week of sharing with them. 00:46:03.525 --> 00:46:04.125 Speaker 2: It was like 00:46:05.095 --> 00:46:06.015 Speaker 3: having a son. 00:46:06.855 --> 00:46:07.475 Yes. 00:46:08.150 --> 00:46:13.440 Yes, both of his parents are deceased now, so I am beginning to 00:46:13.470 --> 00:46:15.330 treat him more and more like a son. 00:46:16.420 --> 00:46:18.450 and he's responding well. 00:46:19.300 --> 00:46:24.350 one day, she and I had the blessing of having breakfast just the two of us 00:46:24.350 --> 00:46:26.410 because the kids would go off to school. 00:46:26.950 --> 00:46:30.620 the little ones were still asleep and Chris had left for work, so 00:46:30.630 --> 00:46:32.080 we just had this lovely breakfast. 00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:36.020 Time with coffee and English muffins or whatever. 00:46:36.940 --> 00:46:39.850 And one morning she handed me a piece of paper. 00:46:41.197 --> 00:46:45.658 It was the note that I had written to her adoptive parents. 00:46:46.652 --> 00:46:49.542 I didn't, I couldn't tell them anything about myself. 00:46:49.542 --> 00:46:51.762 I couldn't, I didn't even sign my name. 00:46:52.172 --> 00:46:58.492 But I wanted to tell them that this was the hardest thing 00:46:58.742 --> 00:47:00.952 I would ever do in my life. 00:47:01.627 --> 00:47:02.757 And that is true. 00:47:03.157 --> 00:47:06.282 Mother, this was the note you gave them at the hospital. 00:47:06.282 --> 00:47:13.809 I gave it to the doctor's office who gave it to the attorney who gave it to them. 00:47:14.449 --> 00:47:15.479 Man, four years. 00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:16.529 Speaker 4: Okay. 00:47:17.089 --> 00:47:17.659 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:47:18.019 --> 00:47:18.409 Yeah. 00:47:18.659 --> 00:47:19.829 Her mother had saved it. 00:47:20.924 --> 00:47:26.374 and given it to Cindy when they felt Cindy was old enough to be told and 00:47:26.384 --> 00:47:29.784 understand what, what had occurred. 00:47:30.504 --> 00:47:35.334 so I was very touched that her adoptive mother had given it to 00:47:35.344 --> 00:47:38.014 her and that Cindy had saved it. 00:47:39.035 --> 00:47:41.065 And then let me know she had it. 00:47:41.647 --> 00:47:46.597 And before I flew out there, again, a nudge from the Holy Spirit, I pulled 00:47:46.607 --> 00:47:53.107 together things about, my dad's family, and the few things I had from my 00:47:53.107 --> 00:47:55.897 biological mother about her family. 00:47:56.227 --> 00:48:00.657 So Cindy would know her heritage, and she had shared with me that 00:48:00.657 --> 00:48:04.957 one thing that had been somewhat problematic for her is that whim. 00:48:06.692 --> 00:48:09.282 She would need to give medical history. 00:48:09.522 --> 00:48:17.642 She could never tell what her mom and dad, had experienced. 00:48:18.542 --> 00:48:23.073 speaking of her dad, I got so enthusiastic with my part of this story. 00:48:23.073 --> 00:48:25.293 I forgot to relate anything about him. 00:48:25.393 --> 00:48:30.513 I wrote him at the urging of my dad to tell him that I was pregnant. 00:48:30.953 --> 00:48:35.543 so he knew, but there was never any. 00:48:35.998 --> 00:48:40.058 Never any contact, between he and I. 00:48:40.678 --> 00:48:46.048 I think maybe his mother got involved, with my dad or with 00:48:46.048 --> 00:48:47.848 my aunt, I'm not really sure. 00:48:47.918 --> 00:48:52.308 he knew he had a child, but that's all he knew. 00:48:53.118 --> 00:48:57.438 And, I had no idea how to find him when I, when Cindy and I found 00:48:57.438 --> 00:48:59.138 each other, so it was just there. 00:48:59.933 --> 00:49:04.433 but one evening Chris had arranged for Cindy and I to go to a very 00:49:04.433 --> 00:49:06.763 nice restaurant in downtown Denver. 00:49:07.313 --> 00:49:13.613 And when we got to dessert, she looked at me with sort of 00:49:13.613 --> 00:49:16.313 a puzzling facial expression. 00:49:17.173 --> 00:49:19.433 Kay, what can you tell me about my father? 00:49:20.279 --> 00:49:23.299 And I had to respond, hardly anything. 00:49:23.669 --> 00:49:28.279 His, last name is somewhat unusual, and I won't share that in this podcast. 00:49:29.069 --> 00:49:31.719 and that he lived in, that he had lived. 00:49:32.319 --> 00:49:34.649 in Yonkers, New York, and that was all I knew. 00:49:35.689 --> 00:49:39.599 But she appreciated that I could at least tell her how I met 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.819 him and, what had transpired. 00:49:43.302 --> 00:49:49.552 So, the end of the week came and it was time for me to fly back home. 00:49:50.632 --> 00:49:52.822 God is so in the details. 00:49:53.132 --> 00:49:56.652 They had a snow storm and the airport closed. 00:49:57.052 --> 00:49:58.912 So I was there for two more days. 00:50:01.272 --> 00:50:05.082 Now I'm not saying God did that just for me, but I thanked him anyway. 00:50:06.752 --> 00:50:07.442 So, 00:50:09.682 --> 00:50:15.382 I went home and, life surely did change for me. 00:50:15.482 --> 00:50:17.092 I was so very happy. 00:50:17.192 --> 00:50:21.132 my husband's initial reaction, When I let him know about the 00:50:21.132 --> 00:50:23.882 phone call was somewhat negative. 00:50:24.062 --> 00:50:26.202 he doesn't trust people easily. 00:50:26.439 --> 00:50:28.949 So he said, Kay, you need to be very careful. 00:50:28.989 --> 00:50:31.469 You don't know what she might want from you. 00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:38.569 I said, Frank, God's hand is all over this and I have no worries about that. 00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:41.859 So he just worried about it all on his own. 00:50:42.713 --> 00:50:45.793 I had visited her in January of 2007. 00:50:45.833 --> 00:50:51.873 In March of 2007, Cindy flew to Georgia to meet the family. 00:50:52.390 --> 00:50:55.860 my stepmother had died in, 1996. 00:50:56.250 --> 00:50:58.947 So, she never got to meet Cindy. 00:50:59.287 --> 00:51:06.537 anyway, when dad came to our home to meet her for the first time, it was, 00:51:06.973 --> 00:51:12.310 it was so sweet and it was so sad and it was so amazing. 00:51:12.990 --> 00:51:18.853 He walked in the door, hugged and began to cry and repeatedly 00:51:19.373 --> 00:51:22.217 told her how sorry he was. 00:51:22.547 --> 00:51:25.537 That he had made me give her up, 00:51:26.353 --> 00:51:29.750 that he had regretted it for years. 00:51:30.283 --> 00:51:36.030 He seriously thought about trying to find her, but my aunt and uncle had 00:51:36.040 --> 00:51:38.130 talked him out of trying to do that. 00:51:38.427 --> 00:51:42.853 And he finally understood that it was best for her. 00:51:43.620 --> 00:51:46.620 Oh, Becky, I just remembered something I left Alice. 00:51:47.020 --> 00:51:47.200 What? 00:51:47.925 --> 00:51:50.465 This, again, God, it's so amazing. 00:51:51.252 --> 00:51:56.052 In the, documents that I had shipped out to Cindy before my first visit 00:51:56.112 --> 00:52:02.308 there, I had included a family tree of just my father's side of the family. 00:52:02.528 --> 00:52:06.232 a cousin, second cousin, third cousin, whatever, had done 00:52:06.232 --> 00:52:07.932 it for a project for school. 00:52:08.113 --> 00:52:13.243 And so Cindy got that out while I was there and we were looking at it. 00:52:13.433 --> 00:52:19.663 And when we got to my dad and my biological mother, and then there was me, 00:52:20.310 --> 00:52:22.330 she saw my full name. 00:52:22.977 --> 00:52:25.867 My name is Cynthia K. 00:52:26.413 --> 00:52:33.243 Her parents did not know, My name, but she is named Cynthia Marie. 00:52:33.867 --> 00:52:34.687 She cried. 00:52:35.153 --> 00:52:36.033 She cried. 00:52:36.693 --> 00:52:42.177 So, believe me listeners, God is in the details. 00:52:44.177 --> 00:52:47.537 I will begin now to focus on 00:52:47.757 --> 00:52:50.057 what the Holy Trinity has done for me. 00:52:50.950 --> 00:52:54.840 I don't know that there is such a thing as the worst sinner ever. 00:52:55.230 --> 00:52:56.937 But yeah, I was a sinner. 00:52:57.423 --> 00:52:59.980 I was a sinner for years. 00:53:00.207 --> 00:53:03.627 And don't be thinking in your mind, people, that, Oh yeah, it's those 00:53:03.627 --> 00:53:05.797 preacher's kids you have to worry about. 00:53:06.243 --> 00:53:06.663 Uh uh. 00:53:07.053 --> 00:53:07.853 Don't go there. 00:53:08.293 --> 00:53:10.733 It's just that they're in the spotlight. 00:53:12.093 --> 00:53:15.453 More than children who are not pastor's kids. 00:53:16.240 --> 00:53:19.570 even though I had been so very sinful, 00:53:20.160 --> 00:53:22.447 Jesus blood wiped it all out. 00:53:22.447 --> 00:53:23.437 Completely. 00:53:23.957 --> 00:53:24.847 Completely. 00:53:25.340 --> 00:53:29.870 Our Heavenly Father had turned a disastrous mistake 00:53:30.850 --> 00:53:33.140 into something beautiful. 00:53:33.657 --> 00:53:35.100 Absolutely beautiful. 00:53:35.710 --> 00:53:40.007 In Him, there was redemption and transformation. 00:53:40.303 --> 00:53:42.233 Through His glorious blood. 00:53:44.633 --> 00:53:48.731 My life was completely transformed. 00:53:52.189 --> 00:53:54.939 So, could you give advice right now to our listeners? 00:53:55.479 --> 00:53:56.819 Oh, absolutely Becky. 00:53:57.439 --> 00:53:58.149 Absolutely. 00:53:59.349 --> 00:54:00.689 No matter who you are, 00:54:00.962 --> 00:54:03.242 our Lord is right there with you. 00:54:03.589 --> 00:54:06.469 And I mean wherever you are. 00:54:06.989 --> 00:54:12.506 If you feel like you are in the depths of hell, Jesus is there. 00:54:13.049 --> 00:54:18.252 Jesus is as close as your breath waiting for you. 00:54:19.106 --> 00:54:22.189 Don't leave that door closed. 00:54:22.662 --> 00:54:24.509 Throw that door open. 00:54:25.369 --> 00:54:33.429 Look in his wonderful face and let him shower you with love. 00:54:33.514 --> 00:54:38.444 But you have never, ever known 00:54:39.041 --> 00:54:48.031 if and when you accept Him as Lord of your life, you will receive a great gift 00:54:48.481 --> 00:54:54.361 in that the Holy Spirit will indwell you. 00:54:54.821 --> 00:54:56.331 What does that mean, Kay? 00:54:56.801 --> 00:54:57.861 The Holy Spirit? 00:54:58.754 --> 00:55:01.831 He is the advocate for you. 00:55:02.247 --> 00:55:04.407 He will guide you. 00:55:04.762 --> 00:55:06.599 He will convict you. 00:55:07.006 --> 00:55:09.676 He will comfort you. 00:55:10.202 --> 00:55:13.052 You will not hear an audible voice. 00:55:13.346 --> 00:55:16.126 At least, that's been my experience. 00:55:16.566 --> 00:55:18.456 okay, thank you. 00:55:20.276 --> 00:55:22.856 Okay, just feel the depth of your sincerity. 00:55:23.386 --> 00:55:27.999 There's so much love as you give this gift to those who are listening. 00:55:27.999 --> 00:55:28.419 Yeah. 00:55:28.859 --> 00:55:31.769 And I was wondering, would you mind praying for those? 00:55:32.699 --> 00:55:34.269 I will absolutely. 00:55:34.839 --> 00:55:38.149 Do we have a minute for me to share a couple of other 00:55:38.149 --> 00:55:40.409 experiences or am I out of time? 00:55:41.489 --> 00:55:41.839 Okay. 00:55:42.099 --> 00:55:42.469 Okay. 00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:49.229 I'm just real quickly, folks, through God's glorious intervention, I began 00:55:49.229 --> 00:55:53.409 to serve him in areas of ministry that I would never have thought possible. 00:55:54.009 --> 00:55:58.209 He has had me witness in my home, in the workplace, people. 00:55:58.764 --> 00:56:04.594 And with many people who were strangers, he sent me on mission trips overseas 00:56:04.604 --> 00:56:08.584 to Kenya, six times and to Costa Rica. 00:56:08.684 --> 00:56:15.204 Once he has given me the privilege of leading women's Bible studies, as well 00:56:15.204 --> 00:56:18.464 as other women's faith based activities. 00:56:18.654 --> 00:56:20.704 Me, who was afraid of my own shadow. 00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:26.399 I am not proud of giving you my credentials for the past 18 years. 00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:28.099 I can't brag about anything. 00:56:28.749 --> 00:56:31.909 What I want you to hear is that God is amazing. 00:56:32.309 --> 00:56:36.289 His amazing grace saved a wretch like me. 00:56:36.819 --> 00:56:39.539 He loved me through it all. 00:56:40.149 --> 00:56:42.229 Praise His holy name. 00:56:43.129 --> 00:56:47.489 I finally listened and believed it was for me. 00:56:48.469 --> 00:56:50.269 I am Cynthia K. 00:56:51.219 --> 00:56:53.992 I am the one Jesus loves. 00:56:54.586 --> 00:56:57.916 So now, I want to pray. 00:56:57.916 --> 00:57:00.366 I want to pray for you. 00:57:02.096 --> 00:57:08.816 Father God, what an humbling and wonderful experience. 00:57:09.796 --> 00:57:13.576 I'm just so blessed to have met Becky and Jesse. 00:57:14.706 --> 00:57:18.716 Have them learn of my story and invite me to share it. 00:57:21.276 --> 00:57:30.306 Whoever you are, wherever you are, I pray that you feel our Lord's presence 00:57:30.316 --> 00:57:35.266 with you every moment of every day. 00:57:36.416 --> 00:57:40.486 You will be attacked by Satan and his demons. 00:57:41.436 --> 00:57:43.286 You may know that already. 00:57:43.906 --> 00:57:45.416 Don't believe those lies. 00:57:45.881 --> 00:57:53.181 Rebuke them and say, Jesus, I surrender this to you. 00:57:54.161 --> 00:57:58.871 Jesus, I surrender all to you. 00:58:01.791 --> 00:58:05.621 Picture yourself sitting at his feet. 00:58:06.971 --> 00:58:08.911 There is no sweeter place. 00:58:09.281 --> 00:58:16.561 to be throughout your day, no matter what your day consists of. 00:58:18.011 --> 00:58:25.831 I pray you have that vision of yourself sitting with Jesus, sitting at his 00:58:25.921 --> 00:58:33.051 feet, maybe leaning your head on his knee with his beautiful nail scarred 00:58:33.061 --> 00:58:39.141 hand, touching your head, loving on you. 00:58:41.141 --> 00:58:49.347 If you are unsure about this message, I pray you will get a Bible, borrow 00:58:49.347 --> 00:58:56.197 one, buy one, whatever you need to do, and start with the Gospel 00:58:56.197 --> 00:58:58.827 of John in the New Testament. 00:59:00.107 --> 00:59:06.191 Lord, guide them there to each of the beautiful accounts of what you did 00:59:06.241 --> 00:59:11.184 while you walked the earth, and that even though you ascended into heaven 00:59:11.471 --> 00:59:16.971 after your resurrection, you are still here, and they can talk to you. 00:59:17.234 --> 00:59:25.617 Anytime, about anything, and then, please hear me, be still and know our Father God. 00:59:26.311 --> 00:59:27.621 In Jesus name I pray. 00:59:33.221 --> 00:59:35.421 Speaker 8: We hope you've been blessed by today's story. 00:59:35.891 --> 00:59:39.611 In case you haven't noticed, there are no advertisements on this podcast, 00:59:39.971 --> 00:59:41.511 and we hope to keep it that way. 00:59:42.161 --> 00:59:46.301 So if you've heard something that you think could help someone you know, please 00:59:46.301 --> 00:59:48.441 share it using the link in the show notes. 00:59:49.271 --> 00:59:53.621 Also, if you will give Faith and Purpose a positive review on your podcast platform, 00:59:54.071 --> 00:59:55.711 you could help more people find it. 00:59:56.321 --> 01:00:00.386 You will probably never know how that small effort can make a big 01:00:00.386 --> 01:00:03.936 difference in someone's life, but our Heavenly Father knows. 01:00:04.436 --> 01:00:09.236 Speaking of sharing, if you know a Jesus follower with a story to tell, please send 01:00:09.236 --> 01:00:11.166 them a link to Faith and Purpose Podcast. 01:00:12.136 --> 01:00:14.296 It may encourage them to tell their story. 01:00:14.696 --> 01:00:16.296 That person may even be you. 01:00:16.766 --> 01:00:19.896 Our only criteria is that Jesus be glorified. 01:00:20.666 --> 01:00:24.176 Most Christians don't share their faith because they mistakenly think 01:00:24.186 --> 01:00:28.556 their story is not interesting enough, or that it's self centered to talk 01:00:28.566 --> 01:00:33.606 about themselves, or that they are not competent to explain the gospel correctly. 01:00:34.046 --> 01:00:35.306 But none of that is relevant. 01:00:35.696 --> 01:00:39.136 If Jesus has changed your life, you have a story to tell. 01:00:40.081 --> 01:00:42.491 All of our stories are completely unique. 01:00:42.791 --> 01:00:47.561 No one has a story like yours, and you may be the only one who can reach someone 01:00:47.561 --> 01:00:49.341 else through telling your experience. 01:00:49.911 --> 01:00:51.281 So don't be intimidated. 01:00:51.611 --> 01:00:57.031 A story is just that, a true account of your own experience, and no one 01:00:57.041 --> 01:00:58.981 can disagree with your experience. 01:00:59.936 --> 01:01:04.116 When we tell what Jesus has done in our lives, we are being obedient to his 01:01:04.116 --> 01:01:08.336 command to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 01:01:08.736 --> 01:01:12.586 It's not about theology, and it's not about how interesting or special you are. 01:01:12.926 --> 01:01:14.586 It's all about Jesus. 01:01:15.366 --> 01:01:20.076 So when you're ready to tell how Jesus has impacted your life, you can let Jesse 01:01:20.076 --> 01:01:23.196 know at his ministry website, jesseduke. 01:01:23.216 --> 01:01:23.476 net. 01:01:24.106 --> 01:01:27.286 There you can download guidelines that will make it easy to 01:01:27.286 --> 01:01:28.746 prepare to tell your story. 01:01:29.366 --> 01:01:31.806 Thank you for listening today and Shalom.