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into horror films? Not huge. I
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yeah, I like them. Yeah.

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They kind of got a little out of
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mode. Oh, my

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God, terrifier takes things to a
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horror. It's just so gratuitous.
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It's, yeah, I won't do it. No,
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you can't unsee the thing.

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You can't unsee it. But at the
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not be able to unsee it, or more
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it that it doesn't bother you?

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The desensitization is a thing
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with everything that's going on,
right? Yeah?

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Because graphic violence used to
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traumatizing, yeah, rated R or
now you see somebody you know,

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on on, you know, granted, on,
on, Walking Dead. At zombies,

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they're already dead, but still
gory, yeah, you know. And I

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think that that TV series did a
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people desensitized. Well, I

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love zombies. I mean, I've seen
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George Romero zombies were slow
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still coming, but they're
they're very persistent. They're

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coming. They're gonna get you,
but it's not like they're

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running, no, not like World War
Z all that stuff very fast.

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This is the rich Redmond show

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we were recording last night.
And the topic of planking came

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up, and I said, Yeah, I'm kind
of doing some planking. And, you

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know, getting into shape and
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until you said, Well, hey, you
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how long can you go? I said, Ah,
man. I said, at this point

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probably, I could probably do 60
seconds ago, and it was like,

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almost like, a challenge, kind
of going down, I guess, yeah,

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you think you can do that? I
said, I probably could. And just

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get them down on the floor and
do it right there. We did it

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after we finished in the next
room, where at least we had

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some, like, you know, not wood
floor. And it was Neil myself

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and Tully and I lasted two
minutes and 15 seconds. That's

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great, Jim, you are still. I
even did, like, the the RAMBo

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rocky thing, where I got Tully
was to my left, yeah. And I was,

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I was trying to, you know,
psychologically, vibe, a

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mountain, in a way. And I went
off. I'm like, Hey, you good and

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everything. I said, I'm looking
you look like you're struggling

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there. And I kind of got on my
side. I said, Give me a fist

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bump. And everybody in the room
was like, Whoa. Look at Jim with

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the one arm. Push up, dude.
Yeah, we fist bumped. And is

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this eventually, I didn't. He
beat me. He went three minutes,

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10 seconds. Hey,

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that's a long plank. Because, I
mean, some people are trying to

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do the five minute plank, right?
You know, like,

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but, you know, for a guy that's
my size, and I'm getting into

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it, you know, I'm exactly not
freaking all Schwarzenegger at

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this point.

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That's great, dude. Three Minute
plank is amazing. Oh, two

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minutes. Hey, is this a new
thing where we kind of, like,

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ease into it. We're like, Yeah,
let's,

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you know, rip down that fourth
wall and just, just let

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everybody in. That's right.

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Because we do, we do have a
great guess. How are you? How

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have you been since yesterday?
Yeah, what has happened since?

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Yes, did you

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have a good burrito and a cigar?

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I did. I didn't go to the scar
the cigar bar last night, and I

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and I had one, and the gentleman
that I was with, um, his lasted

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hours, yeah, I mean hours. And I
was mine. You ever Casa Cuba? I

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had, like, a monta Monte Cristo
or something like that, which

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always makes me think of a Count
Dracula, no mount de Cristo is,

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is that sandwich that you dip in
the batter at the member, it was

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like a ham sandwich, and you
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Monte Cristo.

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You know, looking at me, you
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know these things.

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Hey, so Jimbo, this is the rich
Redmond show. Always exciting,

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because this is this new format.
Well, start

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rolling. Wait a minute, is it?
Is that? What that says behind

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you?

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It is the rich Redmond show.
It's like, I want to get into

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this, because this is like a
celebration. We got a great

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drummer with us, hailing from to
topless Teutopolis. It sounds

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Greek, but he says it's German
to topless Illinois, calling

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Nashville home since 2000 he is
a Grammy nominated drummer. He's

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been gainfully employed for a
very long time in Nashville.

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They played with Easton Corbin
from 2017 to 2025 he was Kelly

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picklers, MD and drummer from
2006 to 2017 he was Aaron with

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Aaron Tippin from 2003 to 2006
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2018 as the adjunct percussion
instructor at lipskin

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University, I'm talking about
our friend Greg Loman. What's

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up, buddy? I'm pretty good. How
are you? Man, it's great to have

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you here.

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Thanks for the applause. Yeah.

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So, um, you were telling me you
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hour apart,

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yeah, north of town. Yeah, I
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rural area. How long you been
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Yeah, bought a house, I see. And
she, you know, it's the American

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dream. The drummer buys a house,

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yep. And the further out of town
you get, the cheaper it's yes.

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And can you? Can you make all
the noise? And the neighbors

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are, can Yep, got a basement?
Nice.

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Yeah. You gotta have a it's rare
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It is. Although, I will say at
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cleared out because I had some
water issues. So I do like the

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basement, but I don't like them
right now. Do you,

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well, do you? Did you get
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Yes, kind of a long story, but I
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that was leaking outside and
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the foundation, got that fixed,
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a bunch of rain, and the rain
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gosh, yeah, God, I hate that. So

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it's a basement in the truest
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actually under the ground,

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yes, yeah, that's built on a
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is underground, yeah, and then
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of those growing up. We had,
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greatest garage ever, you know,
two car garage, but separated in

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the middle with a staircase. And
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that, like scary rooms when we
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turned into an office and
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room, which, yeah, it was
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Speaking of scary and being
kids, are you guys scared of

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dolls?

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Because I hate dolls. Like, what
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the doll,

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you know? I mean, like the girl
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they're like this, and they're
in their little dresses with the

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pigtails and stuff. And the kids
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My daughter, to this day, has
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was a baby, wait, and she called
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does to this day. Still has it
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creepy doll. But I get what
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my at my grandmother's house,
this doll would be there, and I

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was, everybody knew I was
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mean, I hope that thing is just
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what do you think the fear of
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everybody has, like, this
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gonna say it came from the movie
Poltergeist, because, to your

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point about dolls, remember that
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bed, and the clown doll is
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looking under the bed, and then
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Dude, that movie freaking
traumatized me. Oh, it's

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interesting, that whole clown
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that are scared of them, and
they won't, they won't have

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anything to do with it. They
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yeah. And

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then Stephen King really took it
to another level.

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good question. I feel like, I
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always had an issue with clowns,

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yeah, but clowns were, you know,
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with them, until that movie,
like, you know, and then he had

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killer clowns from outer space,
but that was his camping, yeah,

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you know, yeah, no, I'm, I have
a horror, horror buff. Are you

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into horror films? Uh,

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not huge. I mean, I'll watch
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That's not horror. It's just so
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Gore, just gore. I

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didn't see that one. It's, yeah,
I won't do it. No. It's just,

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you can't unsee the things. You
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time, is it more scary to not be
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to be so desensitized to it that
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The desensitization is a thing
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everything that's going on,
right? Yeah, because

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graphic violence used to be,
like, you know, traumatizing,

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yeah, rated R or now you see
somebody, you know, on, on, you

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know, granted on, Walking Dead.
At zombies, they're already

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dead, but still gory, yeah, you
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series did a lot for just, you
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desensitized. Well, I love
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I mean, I've seen every George
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zombies were slow and dumb and
lurking. They're still coming,

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but they're they're very
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very fast. So I don't even know
how this all happened, but this

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is a great conversation. Yeah,
Jim. Jim likes to, you know, my

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thing is, I'm definitely want to
have a free flowing

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conversation, but I definitely
want to make sure that we, you

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know, people, get some takeaways
about what really makes Greg

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tick is a drummer like, you
know, we're, we might be about

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the same age. Yeah, you're
probably a little older than me.

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I think so I'm older than
everyone. I'm older and five

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years older than Jim. You
wouldn't know it. It's crazy

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today, my physical therapist was
is 35 years old. I said, Oh my

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god, we're 20 years apart. You
could be my son. He's crazy, and

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he had great. Hair. Oh, wow.
This 35 year old guy had gray

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hair. So when did you start
playing? How old were you and

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why? What was the spark? Well,

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I did the whole pots and pans
thing in the basement. Got to do

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it, you know, yeah, yeah. But I
just, I've always had a

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fascination with drumming,
drummers, drumming, and so I

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just set up what I thought was a
drum set, yeah, went at it, and

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then, uh, my aunt and uncle had
an old kind of beat up kit, and

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they let me use it. So I set
that up and started playing on

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it, not really knowing what I
was doing. This is beat like,

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you know, I don't know how old I
was, probably six or seven. Do

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you remember the first beat you
played? I don't remember the

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first beat, but I do remember
playing along to the Huey Lewis

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sports album. Oh, really. What a
great yes and interesting still,

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to this day out, that's a great
record. It's an

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amazing record, yeah, yeah, I
mean, and it's funny, because

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there's a couple of songs on
there that I believe have drum

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machine,

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yeah, or programmed Yeah. I'm

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trying to think of one of the
songs Jim's in a Huey Lewis

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tribute band, yeah. And he's
playing the city, city winery

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on May 28 Are you may 28 Yeah,
I'll have to go check it out.

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Oh, no pressure for me. But
yeah, every drummer in town

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is going to be there, because
I've been announcing it on this

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podcast. You know, it

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was announced this morning. What
my entire BNI chapter, they're

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going to pay for those who want
to go. In terms of people in the

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chapter, they should go see you
in a different light, man.

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Because, you know, one of the
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player, that's right, he's

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a nice fellow. It's crazy.
That's great. Oh, yeah. Just,

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is it all Huey or

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all Huey? Okay, and there's a,
there's a 12 minute piece that

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goes from a couple days off into
boys are back in town, which is

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a flipping workout. Yeah? Wow.
12 minutes.

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12 minute shuffle with a drum
sole in the middle, right? Yeah.

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That's only like a two bar
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342, together. Yeah, it's about,
so it's about the length. So I'm

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trying to plan what I'm gonna
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feel, yeah, because it's, you
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hot for teacher, but really
slow. Yes,

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actually, you know, Josh Rosen,
he does these, like tribute

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shows. From time to time, he did
a Huey one, and I got to play on

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it, yeah? This is last year, I
believe. And I'm not a double

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bass guy by any means, but I
borrowed one and worked up that,

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right, yeah? Because you

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see a lot of guys do it, they do
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doing that, but it just didn't
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Either got to ride that floor
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threes, or, yeah,

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I gotta hear this track, man,
yeah. So it's just a slow you

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know, all I want is a couple
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There it is, yeah, does? It's
like, Bill got a double pedal

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and he wanted to use it, right?
We like Bill. I asked him when,

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when we were talking to him. I
said, were you kind of able to

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Van Halen at that point? He's
like, No,

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you know, we love bill. Yeah,
yeah. So, what was the first

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band or the first drummer that
you were like, Dude, this is the

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thing. Ooh, that's good
question. Oh, Jim and I were MTV

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kids,

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yeah. So my first band, and I
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Def, Leppard, all right, yeah,

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gonna have to ask Bri, you know,
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I guess, is probably his stereo
when I first so that's, that's

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when he post arm. That was post,
what one arm, Yeah, cuz

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photograph is when he had both
arms, yeah. But then I obviously

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looked into him and saw the
whole story, and yeah, but yeah,

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all the stuff before that I
really liked. You

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gotta love the fact that they,
you know, they they worked with

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him, and they found a way. They

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made her they made a very fun
way to make it work.

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Very sweet. Can you imagine

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what was going through his head?
You know, the whole your whole

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life flashes before, everything,
everything you worked for.

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You're at the height of your
fame and your success, and you

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lose your arm,

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crazy, right? It's like, you
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I'm done, and then you

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have to re train yourself to

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play with like, nine pedals?
Yeah, I have no idea how he does

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it. Have you ever tried to play
the snare part with your foot?

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No, that's,

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yeah, art man, yeah. Be crazy.

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He's, he's great. I've got to.
I've meet him a couple times,

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and, uh, super nice guy. Seems
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a very approachable guy. Yeah,
yeah.

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They all, they all do. They all,
all those bands seem to be,

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like, really humble now, just
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they still, I saw them a couple
years ago. They still sound

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killer live, really, yeah,

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pour some sugar on me. Has to be
one of the most played bar strip

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club songs in the entire world.
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that's how it became popular.
Did you know that because of

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strip clubs, strip clubs, huh?
It wasn't that they released the

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record, released a couple songs
that did okay, but they spent,

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obviously, millions on the
record. And then strip clubs in

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Florida started playing that,
and it just Yeah. And

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strip clubs in Florida, let's
face it, are good for them.

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Usually it's one of those hot
beds that's like Vegas, of

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attractive people, Vegas,
Dallas, Dallas. US, Los Angeles,

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Florida, all

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those strip clubs still have a
lunch shift. Yeah, you

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don't want to go to that. I
mean, the chicken wings might be

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good, but the staff is not good.
We had,

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we had lunch at the library in
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advertiser for the radio
station, and we went to their

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lunch buffet, and that was it's
like from that scene in the

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office where Darryl tells Dwight
not to go to the strip club.

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He's like, you can't. It's the
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Dwight, you can't unsee that

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now all the pregnant girls,
yeah, yeah. Cesarean. Lot of C

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sections, lot of C section
scars. Gosh, you don't get this

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on the other drum cup podcast,
you just don't. So you did the

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whole thing, right? The Did you
do the all region marching band,

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concert band, the whole Yeah,

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but I was from a small town, and
we didn't even have a football

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team, so the marching band we
had was we did, like, two

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parades, and that's about it,
yeah. But then when I went to

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college, I did the two years of
that was

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Eastern Illinois, Eastern
Illinois University, and then

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your Master's from the
University of Tennessee,

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Knoxville. Yes. Who teaches
there?

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I went there mainly for drums.
Head, Keith Brown. Keith

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Brown, that's William Ellis.
Yeah, went there, yep, he

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did, yeah. And then Michael
combs was the percussion guy. So

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I got an assistantship, so I
would teach, like, legit

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classical percussion. But my
main focus there was studied

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with Keith and yeah, Donald
Brown was there, the jazz

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pianist at the time. So I got a
good, good dose of jazz stuff

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when I was

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in. He's great. He does it all.
I mean, you could see, you could

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find him on a marimba. You could
see he's playing timpani in the

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orchestra, and then he's playing
jazz and his tuxedo. It's like

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covering all the bases, man, you
know, right? You kind

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of see yourself coming to
Nashville or, yeah,

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I knew I wanted to end up here.
And that's kind of why I went to

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grad school in Knoxville. I
auditioned at MTSU and UT in

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Knoxville as well, so, but I
ended up doing going there,

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which I'm really glad I did. But
after that, I knew I would end

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up in Nashville, yeah.

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And then when I met you in 2000
you were involved with the

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Johnny rap drumstick company,
yes, so rhythm saw, yeah. How

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does that? How did that all
happen? Man,

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it's kind of a long story, but
it's I go back to is when I was

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in college in Knoxville. I go
back to this one moment, to

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where, if I wouldn't have done
it, I feel like my whole life

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would be different, like I
probably wouldn't be here right

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now, you know? So I was in a
think it's a wind ensemble

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rehearsal or orchestra rehearsal
playing timpani. It's late in

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the afternoon, and they have a
Tennessee Valley Fair, and they

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have acts come through there.
Remember the kinleys?

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Yes, they're great. So Kurt
dated one of the kenleys. He

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dated Heather, my really my
buddy. Okay, wow,

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yeah. So anyway, they were
playing that night at the fair,

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and I was going to go, but I was
in this rehearsal, it was like a

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long day. Wasn't feeling the
greatest. I was like, I don't

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know if I'm going to go, but I
went and George Lawrence was

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playing drums with him at the
time. Nice. That's right, yeah.

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And it was great. So after the
show, I went up to him, said,

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Hey, met him, and it's super
nice. He's like, Yeah, I teach

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out of Nashville, so if you ever
want to come out. So I started

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taking lessons from like, you
know, every six weeks I drive

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over, yeah?

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But he introduced me to Johnny,
Johnny rap, yeah.

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So that's how I met Johnny. And
when I was getting ready to move

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to town, he was like, man, we
just need help around the office

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here in town. Would you it
doesn't pay much, but would you

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be interested as a kick? Yeah.
So yeah, nine to five, I would

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go help him around there. And
then you don't go it at night

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and start networking and all
that, but that's how I met like

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yourself and a lot of drummers
around town, was through that

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stick company, yeah. And you

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had the office above drum
paradise, which is now the drum

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pad where I teach, yes. And

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before that, it was at sound
check. I went, right, there's a

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sound check. And then we moved
to drum paradise, yeah.

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And then our next guest, who's
coming in, John McTighe, the

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third was one of your artists,
and he developed these brush

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hybrid brushes called webs. The
webs, yep, and they were, they

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were brushy, but there's
plastic, plastic, and there's

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like, three layers there, each a
different length? Yeah, yeah,

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work, great.

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I've got some somewhere I do
too, in a bag somewhere.

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There's so many inventors in
this space.

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There really is. It's and it's
really hard to get a music

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auxiliary product to be sticky,
right? Like, big fat, like,

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snare drum. Did it, you know,
like, lug locks, did it, right?

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Drum dial, did it. But I mean,
Moon gels are, I mean, it's

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like, I kind of stopped using
Moon gels. There's so many other

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products, yeah, what do you use
now? I mean, I like Gaff. I

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like, you know, the drum taco. I
like the big fat snare drum.

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Comes,

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I have a Mr. Muff, yeah, Mr.
Muff. Don't

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know about the Mr. Muff. It's,
it's a,

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you put, like a big, heavy
washer in it, or not to wait on

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the snare drum, but typically it
kind of clamps down and it's a

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big, like, a big mustache, yeah,
you know, yeah, I've seen those.

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Yeah. I got it at the Music City
drum show coming up in July,

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which

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I guess we will have a booth at
we're gonna have a booth so Jim

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will be there on the Saturday of
the Music City drum show, and

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then I'll be there on the
Sunday. Yeah, and what are we

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gonna do at our booth? We're
gonna have merch, merch babies

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in my books, and we'll hang out

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just, you know, kiss babies and
smell roses and, yeah, shake

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hands, do the thing. Yeah. Be
fine. Where's rich? He's not

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here. You got me though.

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I produced the podcast. All

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right, that's right, that's
right,

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important, yeah,

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man, so I liked my Johnny
because I was with regal tip

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before that, yeah? And then, you
know, I was with you guys. I

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loved

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them too, and I hate they kind
of went away, but, yeah, I told

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you about my idea, right? And
then Johnny went away. You know,

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Johnny Rab went away. He moved
to, he's

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also Indy, and used indies with
collective soul, yeah, yeah.

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It's been

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a great help for him,

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yeah, still a great dude, and we
still keep in touch. And he's

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awesome. He's one

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of those guys I saw advertising
because they did the rhythm.

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Saw, I think, as it was Johnny
Rab drumsticks, and it was like

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the silhouette of the dude with
the it looked like a skater,

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yeah, it was kind of silhouette
of him, right? And it was

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always, like a quarter page ad
in Modern Drummer, which I can't

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imagine how much that cost,
peace, really? Yeah, I don't

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know, but yeah, it was one of
those things that, you know, I

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always knew his name. And then I
was visiting my brother in

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Michigan, and they had a great
music store there, and I would

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always go. We would always go,
and I'd always have, you know, I

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played the electric drums,
because why not? And they had a

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an educational video, like a
DCi, VHS video on of Jim Keltner

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and Johnny Rabb and Johnny was
showing him the free hand

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technique, yeah, I sat and
watched that thing for had to be

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20 minutes. I was just mouth
agape, yeah?

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I mean, very few people have
that

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ability to express themselves
rhythmically, yeah?

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And he makes it look so
effortless. He really does.

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Yeah. He

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must have practiced a lot. Yeah,

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he, he and I went to lunch, and
he was, he was trying to, he's

435
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like, I need to do a triple
stroke roll. Like, why? You mean

436
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,940
the three in each other that,
yeah, we do it. Then after a

437
00:22:25,940 --> 00:22:28,520
while, you just start letting
the sticks bounce. That becomes

438
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:28,580
a

439
00:22:28,580 --> 00:22:30,800
buzz roll, yeah, yeah. Like,
let's just make it a, you know,

440
00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:34,160
quadruple stroke, you know, it's
like an educator,

441
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:39,260
one of the hardest things to
teach is the, you know, the

442
00:22:39,260 --> 00:22:42,040
machine gun double stroke roll
and then have it be super, super

443
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,340
DVI, open and clean, right?
Because I basically tell the

444
00:22:45,340 --> 00:22:47,980
kids, like, look it, it's mama
data. And you want the second

445
00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:51,520
stroke to be just as articulate
as the first stroke. You don't

446
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,220
want to bounce it. You want them
to be both as articulate as

447
00:22:54,220 --> 00:22:57,100
possible. And to do that, you
know, you just got to be with

448
00:22:57,100 --> 00:23:00,040
your metronome. And you get into
the duck, a duck, a bird, duck,

449
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,780
a duck, a bird. But I thought it
was Hugga duck, a bird. Hug a

450
00:23:03,780 --> 00:23:05,940
duck. A Burr, hug a duck, a
bird, right? I thought

451
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,820
it was ding ding da Gaga,
telling

452
00:23:08,820 --> 00:23:14,940
them about what the goal is, and
then how to get it and and what

453
00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:18,780
happens in between is me telling
them, oh, it's just you go. You

454
00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:19,860
just

455
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,960
muscle memory, it takes a while
to to work it up towards all

456
00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:25,880
even, yeah. I mean, I not
bouncing.

457
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,420
I think I really spent my youth
doing that, right. You know, I

458
00:23:29,420 --> 00:23:31,880
thought it was your marching
band years. Well, definitely

459
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,820
four years in high school, four
years in college. And did you

460
00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:38,480
march at UNT? I did. I did not
ung, I did it at Texas Tech,

461
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,800
okay, and then in high school.
So in both my high school and

462
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,760
Texas Tech had 400 like, giant
400 piece marching bands. Wow,

463
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,100
you know, but they and they were
both drum lines, were match

464
00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:51,160
script drum lines, which has
worked really great. Okay, me, I

465
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,160
just it was a fluke that they
were both match script drum

466
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,460
lines, because I only play match
grip. I didn't

467
00:23:57,460 --> 00:24:00,780
have that luck, yeah, so I'd
never, like I said, I didn't

468
00:24:00,780 --> 00:24:03,720
really march in high school, we
didn't have a football team, so

469
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,360
just did a couple parades. When
I went to college, I had to

470
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:11,160
march two years. First year I
did bass drum. Second year I did

471
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:16,020
snare drum, traditional grip.
But I'm left handed, so I

472
00:24:16,020 --> 00:24:19,320
typically lead with left hand,
but I couldn't obviously, yeah,

473
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,100
so which, looking back, it
really helped my right hand, but

474
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:25,160
I had to learn how to play right
hand. Lead and but

475
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,760
you play your drum set
traditionally, set up, yes, but

476
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,000
I

477
00:24:29,060 --> 00:24:31,640
I'm open ended. Open like, yeah,
yeah. Now

478
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,480
was that because, yeah, Carter
he, he just sat down at a drum

479
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,900
set and automatic. He never saw
anybody play it that way.

480
00:24:39,140 --> 00:24:42,820
It makes crossover the open
handed thing, right? But, no, I

481
00:24:42,820 --> 00:24:45,820
started completely backwards,
like left footed, like this. Oh,

482
00:24:45,820 --> 00:24:49,960
you did that. I did. And then
when I went to college, my

483
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,280
instructor, my undergrad,
suggested I do the open handed

484
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,980
thing. Yeah, at the time, I
wasn't thrilled about it, but

485
00:24:56,980 --> 00:24:59,920
looking back is the best thing
makes it a lot easier to sit in.

486
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,780
It? Yes, sharing, a kit,
sharing. And I just like the

487
00:25:03,780 --> 00:25:06,300
approach of the open handed more
than the cross. Yeah,

488
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:09,240
have you played open handed?
Much rich you ever try? Um,

489
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,880
you know, there's that beautiful
book that we all kind of work

490
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,900
out in our youth called the the
new breed, by Gary Chester. And

491
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:18,780
the whole idea behind the book
is to play the entire book,

492
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:21,380
leading with your left or
leading with your race, so you

493
00:25:21,380 --> 00:25:25,760
can kind of get close to being
ambidextrous. The only time I

494
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,660
play open hand is, is when I
want to sound incredibly sloppy

495
00:25:29,660 --> 00:25:30,260
and self talk.

496
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,460
It's kind of like handwriting
with your left hand. Yeah, you

497
00:25:34,460 --> 00:25:35,240
want to this left

498
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,880
hand is just really for just
smashing gigantic bag beats,

499
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:38,180
yeah,

500
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:42,220
I have to do it when I play.
Don't stop believing

501
00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:45,940
that's, yeah, that's how we did,
the way it's done. Oh, over

502
00:25:45,940 --> 00:25:46,180
here.

503
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,600
Yep, exactly. It does all the
other patterns with his right

504
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,140
hand. Pretty brilliant drum
part. And it's like, it doesn't

505
00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:56,920
work without it. It's very
orchestral. Yeah, lot of colors,

506
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,020
a lot of colors. Yeah, Bell, the
ride symbol.

507
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,280
So you're a, I mean, everybody
likes Steve Smith, but who are

508
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,120
some of your guys

509
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,100
drumming guys? Yeah, ooh, I like
picaro a lot.

510
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,360
Yeah. So you bury the beater
most of the time. I don't you

511
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:13,800
pull off, even for rock,

512
00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:17,640
yeah, all the time I pull Yeah.
I just, I like the sound of the

513
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:21,440
big drum better, like that. Do
you I bury for rock, yeah, yeah,

514
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,660
but no, I pull off for
everything, yeah, yeah. And then

515
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:28,580
Gad, obviously, I'm a big fan of

516
00:26:31,220 --> 00:26:32,780
man, it's hard to

517
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,080
you're a young ha guy, aren't
you? Yes? Mickey curry, yeah,

518
00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:45,700
yeah. Speaking of, when was it
the end of two or 2019 we did a

519
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:50,020
show in Okinawa. Me and a few
others of the band flew to Tokyo

520
00:26:50,020 --> 00:26:54,220
just to take a few days off.
Yeah, Gad was playing at the

521
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,960
Blue Note in Tokyo. Yamaha guy.
So we got the connection. I got

522
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,740
to check out the Yamaha factory
over there and go check out the

523
00:27:01,740 --> 00:27:02,040
show.

524
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:06,540
That'd be cool. I mean, I I make
no, you know, I try not to hide

525
00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:09,120
it. I love Yamaha drums. Yeah,
that's

526
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,860
what you played when you first
standard.

527
00:27:11,580 --> 00:27:14,460
They're just so great. The
recording customs, yep,

528
00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:18,660
the ones that Courtney made me
sell, you know, I'm joking. She

529
00:27:18,660 --> 00:27:22,460
hates it when I say that, did
you have Yamaha drums that you

530
00:27:22,460 --> 00:27:26,600
sold? I did. I set a stage
customs, yeah, but with a 20

531
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,260
inch kick. But they did sound
very good, yeah, but I looked,

532
00:27:30,260 --> 00:27:33,800
you know, gargantuan behind
them, yeah, because they're so

533
00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:34,640
tiny, yeah,

534
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,160
the 20 inch it's been a while
since I played the 20 inch kick,

535
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,240
yeah. What are you 2424

536
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,540
Yeah, I need a 26

537
00:27:42,220 --> 00:27:44,620
right? I'm still a 22 guy. And

538
00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:49,360
you played a 22 with Kelly and
Aaron and yeah, Easton, yeah.

539
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:49,540
And

540
00:27:50,140 --> 00:27:53,260
then I had with Kelly and
Eastern I had a little 18 out to

541
00:27:53,260 --> 00:27:56,080
the side, little remote kick
too. Oh yeah.

542
00:27:56,140 --> 00:27:59,980
For loops, yeah. So instead of
loops being on tracks, you would

543
00:27:59,980 --> 00:28:00,340
actually

544
00:28:00,340 --> 00:28:03,120
them, yeah. So do that in a
little side scenario, but then

545
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:03,600
they go away

546
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,000
when you come in on the course.
That's the only problem with

547
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:06,660
that approach, right?

548
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:13,860
Yes, but, um, that could be
good, right? Well, with Easton,

549
00:28:13,980 --> 00:28:17,760
I controlled the track, so I
would put the loop back in

550
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:20,600
during the course, so that still
stayed there, but I would play

551
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,360
it when it wasn't there, that

552
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:26,600
is cool, yeah? Because we have,
we have a lot of loops on worth

553
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,240
me just hanging out on the first
verse. Yeah, I don't like doing

554
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,260
that, and so I have all sorts of
role in products that I could

555
00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:36,980
emulate and perform the loop
live. But it's just so much

556
00:28:36,980 --> 00:28:39,920
easier just to have everything
going out front on Pro Tools. So

557
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,580
that's why I incorporate so much
percussion, yeah, so I'll pick

558
00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:47,140
up shakers and be like, you
know, and then throw them behind

559
00:28:47,140 --> 00:28:51,280
me, splat them, and I'm in
because it's show biz, right?

560
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:52,120
You throw

561
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,060
them, huh? You just throw them
behind you. Leave it at the

562
00:28:55,060 --> 00:28:59,260
Johnny to catch them. Don't
really do that, but sounds maybe

563
00:28:59,260 --> 00:29:01,560
like, you know, throw it on the
ground like the video sounds

564
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,040
better? Yeah. I took my shaker
and I threw it on the ground

565
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:05,940
spot. Ah,

566
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,580
well, look at all these other
folks that you played with. Man,

567
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,260
you you subbed for Lady a Craig
Campbell, should Daisy, Josh

568
00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:16,620
Turner, Ty Herndon, Trent
Willman, Katrina Ellie's names

569
00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:20,360
are bringing memories back.
Yeah? Brian McComas, this like

570
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,580
late 90s, early aughts,

571
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,900
no artists in the aughts, yeah,
yeah. And

572
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:29,780
then you've been in some house
bands. You backing up folks like

573
00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:34,400
Steve Cropper, legend Darius
Rucker, big and rich Kip Moore,

574
00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:38,960
got any favorites or interesting
stories from all these brushes

575
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:39,920
with celebrities,

576
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,460
I will say, so this past year,
the a lot of those were from a

577
00:29:45,460 --> 00:29:47,920
after party on this, after the
CMA Awards, yeah.

578
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,540
So this last year, l King was on
it, and

579
00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:54,880
Rob Schneider's daughter, yes,
yeah. And

580
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,260
she was kind of added last
minute, and so we got this

581
00:29:59,260 --> 00:30:02,220
stuff, maybe a. Day or two
before, or the tune she was

582
00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:06,180
doing. And we didn't have much
info or anything, but she came

583
00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:10,920
in and it was awesome. Crush.
She was, yeah, she was great.

584
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,100
She was a lot of fun saying
Great. And it was just, I don't

585
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:16,980
know, I had a great time doing I
mean, I always had fun doing it,

586
00:30:16,980 --> 00:30:19,980
but she really kind of impressed
me, because I've heard stories

587
00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:24,740
of, you know, she had to drink
or two, but, oh yeah, New Year's

588
00:30:24,740 --> 00:30:28,340
Eve, yeah, but she was, she was
pregnant, expecting, so she was

589
00:30:28,340 --> 00:30:30,680
sober, and it was awesome,

590
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,560
you know, I guess, speaking of
Vegas strip clubs, I think in

591
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,700
the 70s, you know, pregnant
women smoke and drank, and we

592
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:40,120
still, somehow, it turned out
we're fine, yeah, you

593
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,780
know, no post nasal drip.
Speaking of a Vegas strip clubs,

594
00:30:43,780 --> 00:30:47,680
as we were talking about
earlier, yeah, Courtney actually

595
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,240
saved Rob Schneider, it at the
Spearman Rhino from a falling

596
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,700
plate platter of shrimp. Wow,

597
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:58,720
so that Courtney's his wife.
Yes, my wife. And

598
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,860
that is a story that

599
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,300
pretty cool to tell. Yeah, he
kind of looked up at her because

600
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:10,140
he was, you know, blasted out of
his mind, and she she saw what

601
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:12,960
was happening. She saw the
waitress, I guess, tripping over

602
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,420
something and falling, and
everything was in slow motion.

603
00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:18,720
Rob was like walking in front of
her, and she just instinctively

604
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,860
grabbed his arm and moved him
out of the way, and right where

605
00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:25,460
he was standing all the all the
shrimp fell, oh yeah. And he

606
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,120
just kind of, like, looked up,
like, like, in that Rob

607
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,240
Schneider, Fauci was like,
thanks.

608
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:37,160
And Courtney was like, You're
welcome. Oh

609
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,980
my god. Do you guys ever see
that movie? The wrong Missy on

610
00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:43,960
Netflix, God, he is fantastic.
Do yourself a favor. I have seen

611
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:49,000
this thing probably 20 times. It
never fails to amuse me. It's

612
00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:54,520
Rob Schneider, David Spade, this
girl and Lauren lapkis, who's

613
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,940
been support in so many
comedies. But this is she's

614
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,840
she's like CO lead, and she
steals the

615
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,960
show. She is. She plays a
character that is just

616
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,360
monumentally, like, douche,
chill, annoying, like, cringe

617
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,920
worthy, embarrass. You feel
embarrassed.

618
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,240
Is this a movie or a show?
Movie? Wrong? Messy. Okay, up

619
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,900
tonight. Yes. All right, you are
welcome, because that

620
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,020
who's the one that good one man,
oh, gosh,

621
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,000
Jason Siegel's in it, and he
shows everything. Oh,

622
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,300
is that the one where he's where
he's writing about Count

623
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,260
Dracula? Oh,

624
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,100
oh, what is that with it? And
it's with what's her name? She's

625
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:45,160
gorgeous. Kristen Bell, Well,
Kristen, well, she's in.

626
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,760
And then the girl from the 70s
show, right? Ah,

627
00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:50,500
you know her? Yes, Katherine

628
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,960
Heigl, no, she was in for, this
is 40 and knocked up this,

629
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,300
oh my gosh, yeah, that 70 show.

630
00:33:00,340 --> 00:33:03,060
She's, like, exotic looking.
She's gorgeous. She's drop dead

631
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:03,540
gorgeous.

632
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,640
Yeah, totally Yeah. And she's
also on The Simpsons, um, Family

633
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,880
Guy, Family Guy, she plays, Meg,
yeah, Meg, the daughter, oh,

634
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,820
I wanna say Nia Vardalos, but
that's not, that's not who it

635
00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:15,600
is. So let's look

636
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,600
up Family Guy right now. Guys,
we got, we got, we got, Seth

637
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,980
McFarlane, Mila.

638
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,780
Mila, yes, yeah, ding, ding,
ding, yikes.

639
00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:26,120
Now that is a good movie too.

640
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,240
She's like, Dracula musical.
Dracula musical.

641
00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:39,500
What the heck was the name of
that movie? Well, he does a full

642
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:40,720
frontal noon in that movie,

643
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,280
dude, it's credible. I know,
Jesus,

644
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,400
I don't remember that. I mean,
it's the willingness to do,

645
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:45,760
can't

646
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,180
you can't not see it because
it's like a baby's arm holding

647
00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:53,680
an apple. Oh, really. Oh gosh,
massive. Good for him, exactly.

648
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:53,920
Hey,

649
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,500
take to the internet and find
out what that movie you want me

650
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:59,260
pull the picture up is. No, do
you want to see? I want you to

651
00:33:59,260 --> 00:34:00,280
tell me what the name of the

652
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,220
movie. Okay, um, your wish is my
command. Yeah, man, so

653
00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:09,660
Aaron Tippins, the first big
marquee guy, yeah. And you're

654
00:34:09,660 --> 00:34:12,660
backing this guy up. He's
building bikes on stage. He is

655
00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:16,080
and, and, you know you're, you
know you're making your making

656
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,900
your your money. You're got
maybe somebody helping you set

657
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:21,740
up stuff. You got three solid
meals a day. You're on the bus,

658
00:34:21,740 --> 00:34:25,220
you're seeing these United
States. Yeah. I mean, that had

659
00:34:25,220 --> 00:34:26,060
to feel good. Oh

660
00:34:26,059 --> 00:34:28,459
yeah, yeah, because that's what
I moved to Nashville to do. So

661
00:34:28,459 --> 00:34:31,759
it took three years to get find
that job, yep. So I was playing

662
00:34:31,759 --> 00:34:34,459
around town and doing that whole
networking thing. Did you do the

663
00:34:34,459 --> 00:34:37,279
lower Broadway thing? Oh yeah,
yeah. Still am, from time to

664
00:34:37,279 --> 00:34:37,639
time. Well,

665
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,419
you go down there, yeah, with,
you know, can kind of curate the

666
00:34:40,419 --> 00:34:42,099
band, or like guys that you like
are like,

667
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:45,160
hey, yeah, but buddies, I know.
And yeah, I like playing with

668
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:45,940
guys I know. And

669
00:34:46,179 --> 00:34:48,579
what are the rooms that are
still kind of fun for you to

670
00:34:48,579 --> 00:34:50,499
play? Because there's a
corporate bars that have, like,

671
00:34:50,499 --> 00:34:51,039
rolling kits

672
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:54,159
and stuff I don't, I haven't
done those, yeah? But like

673
00:34:54,279 --> 00:34:57,219
legends, I like AJs, which used
to be the wheel,

674
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,099
yeah? I like Legends. Yeah, that
was some of my first playing in

675
00:35:02,099 --> 00:35:05,699
town. Was it? Yeah, in the
window, yeah, right, with all

676
00:35:05,699 --> 00:35:06,239
the passers

677
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,460
by, yeah? Forgetting Sarah
Marshall.

678
00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:12,540
Fantastic. Okay, you know,
forget, forget, Forgetting Sarah

679
00:35:12,540 --> 00:35:14,520
Marshall. I'm forgetting
everything.

680
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,880
It's been happening to me a lot,
dude, yeah,

681
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:19,200
have you been noticing

682
00:35:19,859 --> 00:35:23,239
on you or me on you. Yes, I've

683
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,059
been really bad with names.
Rick, oh god. Steve,

684
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,279
no, it's horrible. Steve, what

685
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:33,800
was the like when he first got
here? He came here in 2000 Yeah,

686
00:35:33,860 --> 00:35:37,700
what was like? You know, was it
overwhelming, or did we prepared

687
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:42,100
for it? Or what did I do? Oh my
gosh, I made the wrong decision.

688
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:44,860
I don't know what I got myself
into. Was any of that crossing

689
00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:45,700
the mind? That's a good

690
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:48,640
question. No, I do remember,
though, at one time, like I was

691
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,300
working a day job with Johnny
RAM. I go out at night, start

692
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:56,020
getting gigs, and the pay back
then was like next to nothing,

693
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,440
right? So, you know, I was
making lunches change, no, you

694
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,940
know, seven bucks an hour, you
know, at the, you know, stick

695
00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:06,840
company, and then playing at
night for 20 some bucks. Yeah,

696
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,360
at the end of the week, I'm
like, I'm losing money. Yeah, I

697
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,460
got a master's degree, and here
I'm not even making enough money

698
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:17,880
to, you know, yeah, so that I
remember feeling that as I call

699
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,040
like, how, what am I doing? But
I just kept pushing forward. How

700
00:36:22,340 --> 00:36:22,700
long did

701
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:25,700
it take till you felt like,
Okay, I'm on to something here.

702
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,840
Um, well, when I got the gig
with Aaron, it took a while. I

703
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,300
felt like it took a while,
because I would just be doing a

704
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:32,900
three years

705
00:36:32,899 --> 00:36:34,999
is a long time to be suffering.

706
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,240
Yeah, it is and but just in
playing and feel like I'm going

707
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,240
in circles. But looking back,
I'm glad I did that, because I

708
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,780
made a bunch of connections, and
even to this day, still keeping

709
00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:50,980
touch with guys I met from back
then. So, so I feel like, you

710
00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:53,980
know, a gig would end, I would
still have something, as opposed

711
00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:56,560
to just jumping into something
right away. When I moved to

712
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,300
town, I wouldn't have gone
through all that, you know,

713
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,740
yeah, so I'm glad I had to, kind
of, course, yeah, go through the

714
00:37:01,739 --> 00:37:04,259
dues. Paying is Grant is
fantastic. I remember, you know,

715
00:37:04,259 --> 00:37:07,439
in 1997 my first year in town,
just kind of like having some,

716
00:37:07,439 --> 00:37:11,339
like, really sad nights with a,
you know, a spoon and some

717
00:37:11,339 --> 00:37:14,339
Haagen Dazs going, like, Dude, I
was, like, one of the top

718
00:37:14,339 --> 00:37:17,639
drummers in Dallas, and I can't
get arrested here, not making

719
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:20,459
any money. I got to work these
day jobs. I was a substitute

720
00:37:20,459 --> 00:37:24,379
teacher. I parked the cars. I
waited tables. Did the you know,

721
00:37:24,499 --> 00:37:24,619
now,

722
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,040
did you guys consciously avoid
doing like construction? I

723
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,560
didn't like construction. You
did not need to do it,

724
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,220
though. I did it for this
company called manpower. It was

725
00:37:34,220 --> 00:37:38,480
kind of like a staffing agent,
see, and like one of the jobs I

726
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:45,340
did, I had to do a remodel on
the Talbots in green hills. It

727
00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:48,940
was a, it's across from the
Bluebird. Okay, yeah. So, you

728
00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:51,820
know, they were ripping up
carpet and stuff, and, you know,

729
00:37:52,060 --> 00:37:54,520
I was mostly, they kind of took
a look at me, and they're like,

730
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,240
let him sweep and go get lunch,
that kind of stuff. You know, I

731
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:00,120
wasn't, like, lifting heavy
things. They

732
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,760
didn't give you a sledgehammer
to let you go to it and do demo

733
00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:05,700
No, really no. So cathartic.
Yeah,

734
00:38:05,759 --> 00:38:09,179
yeah. I did one job for the
staffing agency where we had to

735
00:38:09,179 --> 00:38:17,579
take documents, a gigantic 18
foot trailer of dust laden

736
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:24,559
ancient documents, and we had to
unload them, to burn them, and

737
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:30,019
talk about my allergies, going,
Oh my God, all the dust from

738
00:38:30,139 --> 00:38:32,959
these documents, 40 year old
documents that were being

739
00:38:32,959 --> 00:38:34,579
burned. Not

740
00:38:34,579 --> 00:38:37,039
crazy, no, yeah. Not fun. No,

741
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,500
we. I mean, there's people that
this is their life. They do this

742
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:41,980
kind of work every day in and
out,

743
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,940
yeah, but look at back, like, I
was just thankful the whole

744
00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:48,040
Johnny rap thing came up, and
because you were in the

745
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,200
industry, you were meeting
people. Yeah, it was a great

746
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,500
networking tool for me too.
Yeah, you know, um, so, yeah,

747
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:54,160
very thankful.

748
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:57,039
And please tell me you got some,
like, discount drama six. I did,

749
00:38:57,279 --> 00:38:57,999
yeah, fantastic.

750
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,260
Yeah. It was actually they made
the sticks in tune Tennessee,

751
00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:04,260
which is south of Jackson. So
we'd go there once, Tennessee

752
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:07,680
hickory, yeah, yeah. They all
chopped down there, made there,

753
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,320
which, that doesn't happen with
other stick companies. They

754
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,260
bring the wood in from other
places. And, yeah,

755
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,740
that's right, yeah. I feel like
pro markets, it's wood from

756
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,280
Tennessee.

757
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,499
Uh, good chance, yes, I'm not
positive. Strong, chance, yeah.

758
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:25,820
And every time they kill a tree,
they plant which plant, yeah,

759
00:39:25,820 --> 00:39:26,000
which

760
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,840
is nice. They have to. It's
their inventory, at least the

761
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,560
raw materials. Yes, do you have
to do that? I mean, it will

762
00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:37,159
make sense. You want it, you
should, yes, gotcha. Because,

763
00:39:37,219 --> 00:39:37,579
because

764
00:39:37,579 --> 00:39:40,299
I have an idea for a stick
company, because we need another

765
00:39:40,299 --> 00:39:41,019
stick company.

766
00:39:42,340 --> 00:39:44,920
I don't know if I should say it
here, should I? Well,

767
00:39:44,919 --> 00:39:47,919
don't I mean, I have the domain.
We've talked about it before.

768
00:39:47,979 --> 00:39:50,019
Oh, I got you. Yeah, you better
not mention that, because

769
00:39:50,019 --> 00:39:51,099
somebody will steal it.

770
00:39:51,220 --> 00:39:53,440
Yeah, yeah.

771
00:39:54,699 --> 00:39:56,799
We'll talk off camera.

772
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,320
Maybe he'll invest Yeah, maybe
I. Yeah. So

773
00:40:01,319 --> 00:40:04,379
you're doing tipping, yeah. And
then while you're playing with

774
00:40:04,379 --> 00:40:07,559
them, you get the yes, you go
over to Kelly. Now, are these,

775
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,019
are these, like overlapping
things, or there were, did some

776
00:40:10,019 --> 00:40:13,619
of the guys in the band go with
you? Or how did the begat,

777
00:40:13,619 --> 00:40:16,379
begat, begat thing happen? So

778
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:19,559
I was playing with Aaron and
loving it. Yeah, right. I don't

779
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:21,979
know. He did what 6070 shows a
year and

780
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,800
manageable? Yeah, he seems like
a good guy. Yeah, he is.

781
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:30,860
And then a buddy of mine, Dale,
got hired as the MD for Kelly to

782
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:33,740
put to put the band together for
Kelly, and this is right after

783
00:40:33,740 --> 00:40:37,220
she did American Idol, yeah, so
he wouldn't know if I would want

784
00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:40,600
to do it. And at the time, I was
like, I don't know, because

785
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,920
she's untested, right? And she
had four gigs, was that all she

786
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,280
had? But it's all like, TV
shows, yeah? So it's like, at

787
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,220
the very least, because with
Aaron, we did, really didn't do

788
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:55,360
any TV so like, at the very
least, I get that experience,

789
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,260
and then it may end or it may
not, so I don't know. So I took

790
00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:03,000
the leap and then got 11 years
out of it. Yeah, I know. Yeah,

791
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:03,480
amazing.

792
00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:08,940
That's really sad about Kyle
Jacobs, yeah, so it was her,

793
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:14,520
were they still married at the
time? Yeah, he committed

794
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,880
suicide. Yeah, what? Yeah. Very
strange, because I would run

795
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,040
into him all the time, like we
were, you know, super good dude

796
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,500
part of the community. I'd run
into him at the tin roof, or I'd

797
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:24,020
see him every tin roof, or I'd
see him at writers

798
00:41:24,020 --> 00:41:26,720
nights, yeah, songwriter. He was
dating her, or married. They're

799
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:30,980
married, yeah, really. And was
he, what? Was he in the band? Or

800
00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:34,220
no, he's like, a songwriter,
songwriter, producer, but he'd

801
00:41:34,220 --> 00:41:37,700
come on the road quite a bit,
hang out now, really good dude.

802
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:41,020
Yeah. It really shocked me when
I heard all that too. Were they

803
00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:46,600
still married at the time? Oh my
gosh. Had no idea. He said, wow,

804
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:51,160
yeah. So, I mean, you go from
Aaron tip, and, you know, you've

805
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,720
been, you were him with him for
several years, yeah. And then

806
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,440
let me get, I know we're going
back here, but I mean, a lot of

807
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,640
the was that kind of, like, the
first gig of, like, you know,

808
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,540
pinch me. I can't believe I'm,
you know, it's a, it's a

809
00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:08,340
formidable country name,

810
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,020
right? And for me, yes, and I
grew up listening to country

811
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:16,260
music, and my parents had radio
on all the time, so I was

812
00:42:16,260 --> 00:42:18,720
familiar with a lot of his
stuff. So to get to play those

813
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,040
live was a lot of fun, you know,

814
00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:25,520
I bet was that the first
instance of, like, wow, you

815
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,540
know, yeah, like, I star struck
in a way, right? Yeah,

816
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,959
yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, and it
was just kind of, because at the

817
00:42:32,959 --> 00:42:35,539
time, you know, I had never done
anything like that, like, Can I

818
00:42:35,539 --> 00:42:38,779
do this? Like, I feel like I
can, but you've been able to do

819
00:42:38,779 --> 00:42:41,139
it. And, you know, just the
first experience was it was

820
00:42:41,139 --> 00:42:44,499
really good. He's a great dude,
yeah, he's a good band, a great

821
00:42:44,499 --> 00:42:47,979
band leader. And so it was just
a really good first gig for me.

822
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:48,159
Yeah.

823
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,540
So you also, during all of this
time, you know you were at, you

824
00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:56,440
were you're teaching percussion
as a adjunct professor at Tsu

825
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,620
for 15 years, you had me and
thank you, to do a drum clinic,

826
00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:04,500
and then now you're over at
Lipscomb, and you know, it

827
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:06,600
sounds like that's an amazing,
amazing program,

828
00:43:06,779 --> 00:43:09,959
yeah, and Lipscomb is really
growing. They just added a

829
00:43:09,959 --> 00:43:12,599
performance degree, whereas
before, they just had either

830
00:43:13,139 --> 00:43:16,199
they have a commercial program,
but either singer songwriter or

831
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:21,199
production major. So with them
adding the performance degree,

832
00:43:21,319 --> 00:43:22,639
it opens the door up to more.

833
00:43:22,759 --> 00:43:26,119
Yeah, more. How many serious
kids you got over there this

834
00:43:26,179 --> 00:43:26,599
semester?

835
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:29,959
I've got 11 students, and we
started a percussion ensemble as

836
00:43:29,959 --> 00:43:34,039
well. Nice. Just been good. So,
yeah, really enjoy it. But that,

837
00:43:34,459 --> 00:43:37,759
you know, prior to this past
fall, I would have, I don't,

838
00:43:37,759 --> 00:43:42,159
four or five students, so it
wasn't as busy. And then in the

839
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:46,179
fall, you know, I was there two
and a half days a week, and then

840
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,119
leave that night to go out with
Easton, and then be gone and

841
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,059
then come back. And it was just
kind of non stop, which was

842
00:43:52,059 --> 00:43:55,719
great, but that's why I kind of
took a step back from the road

843
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:56,799
for the time being. Just

844
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,220
Easton, you were there a good
eight years, yeah, yeah. Nearly

845
00:44:00,220 --> 00:44:02,820
eight years. Yeah, yeah, man, it
was good, too. I enjoyed. Gonna

846
00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:07,380
be cool to be like a professor
at a university. It's like, very

847
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:10,620
like, you know? It's like,
you're David du Coveney or

848
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:13,200
something. And, you know what? I
mean, you you pull up and you

849
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,680
got your elbow patches, and it's
just cool, you know, do you wear

850
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,220
elbow patch?

851
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:19,740
I don't have any. I need to,
need to step up my game. I guess

852
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:21,260
you have a monocle. I don't

853
00:44:24,619 --> 00:44:27,499
twist your what do you call the
timing the railroad tracks must,

854
00:44:28,219 --> 00:44:28,699
yeah.

855
00:44:29,179 --> 00:44:32,119
Like, I mean, is there like, a,
like, a faculty cafeteria, or

856
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:34,159
anything, or do you go and
you're like, it's like, not like

857
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:36,679
on the TV shows, like, nothing
like, where everyone's like,

858
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:37,699
cutting up and

859
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,359
no, is it like community? Like,
what the TV show community, I've

860
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:43,959
never seen it,

861
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,080
really, that's what I'm
thinking. Like, Chevy Chase, you

862
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:47,500
know?

863
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,600
Oh, very laid back. Yeah, yeah.

864
00:44:49,899 --> 00:44:53,139
I like it. Really good. Faculty
there are great. And actually,

865
00:44:53,379 --> 00:44:57,279
the head of the music program.
Now, I went to college with

866
00:44:57,279 --> 00:45:00,479
where I was getting my Master's
at UT. Oh, she's. Yeah,

867
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:04,020
relationships in action. And Rob
is there? Rob bias, yeah, so he

868
00:45:04,020 --> 00:45:07,080
had me come in and kind of give
to tell the kids the cold

869
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,180
hard yeah. What is

870
00:45:09,179 --> 00:45:10,799
the cold hard truth? Yeah, you
know,

871
00:45:10,799 --> 00:45:14,099
you must be present to win. You
gotta treat it like a full time

872
00:45:14,099 --> 00:45:17,879
job. You gotta have a firm
handshake. You gotta all the

873
00:45:17,879 --> 00:45:19,559
stuff, you know,

874
00:45:19,739 --> 00:45:23,539
so you can't just do it the way
I want to do it. How do you want

875
00:45:23,539 --> 00:45:25,159
to do it as you know, whenever I
feel like it,

876
00:45:27,139 --> 00:45:28,819
you try. Yeah, I am.

877
00:45:30,139 --> 00:45:32,419
I mean, at the heart of it,
Jim's not working out. He's a

878
00:45:32,419 --> 00:45:34,819
drummer. I mean, he is, like, he
does a million other things,

879
00:45:34,819 --> 00:45:37,099
but, I mean, he's just, like, a
great, natural drummer,

880
00:45:37,099 --> 00:45:38,539
like, well, I'm going to see
your show

881
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,680
in May, no pressure. I think, I
think you're like, I don't know

882
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,020
the sixth drummer that we've had
on that we've told about this.

883
00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:46,840
It's like, Yeah, I'm gonna have,
like, all these really good,

884
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,040
seasoned people.

885
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:50,740
I'm gonna be there. I'm gonna
get they make great pizzas

886
00:45:50,740 --> 00:45:53,740
there, yeah? Nice selection of
wine. Just like, gonna be great.

887
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:56,200
Really make a night of it city.

888
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,120
Well, it's a winery, yeah, I've
never been there. So you get in

889
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,660
with Kelly Pickler. And her
first hit was, what? Red high

890
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:07,920
heel. Yeah, very good. And that
was her, I remember that music

891
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,180
video because, I mean, she was a
looker man. She was hot. And she

892
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:15,960
came from good roots. She came
from North Carolina, VA, VA,

893
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:21,860
voom, right, yeah. And so, I
mean, 11 years with her, I would

894
00:46:21,860 --> 00:46:24,560
imagine that she's just as down
to earth as,

895
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:28,339
yeah, kind of like a sister
growing up. Yeah, that's really

896
00:46:28,339 --> 00:46:32,839
sweet. Yeah, good showers at our
had our backs and right. Was fun

897
00:46:32,839 --> 00:46:35,659
to work for. Got to do a lot of
cool stuff, travel wise, and

898
00:46:36,799 --> 00:46:41,259
different TV shows and uso stuff
overseas and, yeah, yeah. A lot,

899
00:46:41,259 --> 00:46:43,179
a lot of cool experiences with
her. She

900
00:46:43,180 --> 00:46:46,720
had, she had, like, a full time
morning show hosting gig for a

901
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:46,960
while,

902
00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:51,520
yeah. XM, yeah. But it was,
yeah, she did that. And that's

903
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,480
kind of when is that Kelly and
Kelly and Billy and Ben. So she

904
00:46:55,540 --> 00:46:58,900
was doing that, and that's kind
of when the Easton thing popped

905
00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:01,920
up. So I was like, we can't. We
kept we were getting slower and

906
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,220
slower each year. She was doing,
she did a couple of Hallmark

907
00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:07,920
Christmas movies, right? So she
was kind of going that

908
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,520
direction, which is great, but
it left, you know, fewer and

909
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,680
fewer shows each year. So the
Eastern thing popped up. And

910
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,780
that's kind of when I Yeah, move
forward.

911
00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:19,920
Now. Speaking of her getting
into acting, you were sort of an

912
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,520
actor on the television show
national, you were the drummer

913
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:27,560
for Juliet Barnes, Hayden,
Panetta Harris, it was a

914
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,080
lot of fun. Yeah. So I played a
drummer.

915
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:35,899
Go figure. How did you guys get
paid? Was it a SAG thing, or is

916
00:47:35,899 --> 00:47:39,859
it non union rate? Kind of a
thing through the Union. It was

917
00:47:39,859 --> 00:47:40,659
through the AFM,

918
00:47:40,659 --> 00:47:43,599
yeah? AFM, yep. And it was
great. It was a really neat

919
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:48,219
experience just to to do it. And
they were pretty adamant on

920
00:47:48,219 --> 00:47:51,519
making sure you're playing the
right parts, yeah, yeah. And was

921
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,180
there like a consultant, musical
consultant, that was like,

922
00:47:55,420 --> 00:47:58,000
You're not crashing, the crashes
when you're supposed to.

923
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,040
No, no, no. That was not like
that, but, but it

924
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,640
was like, a, a, you know, the
the TV heads and the TV symbols,

925
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,480
right? Yeah,

926
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:09,120
yeah, the world thick. So you
got to, like, lay into it to

927
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,400
make it look like, yeah, you're
hitting them, like, Star Search,

928
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,740
yeah. But no, they but sometimes
you wouldn't get the music

929
00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:16,320
because they were recording the
music pretty much as the show

930
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,840
was being taped. So sometimes
you wouldn't get the music to,

931
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,160
like, the day before. It was
just a rough mix. So you kind

932
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,180
of, you know,

933
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:25,460
yeah, scribble out a chart,
yeah,

934
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,640
did national songwriters write
all the tracks for that show?

935
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,759
That's a good question. I'm not
really sure.

936
00:48:32,059 --> 00:48:34,819
I mean, it's, you can make the
case. I think it sounded like

937
00:48:34,819 --> 00:48:37,819
it, yeah. But I mean that it was
funny. When that show first came

938
00:48:37,819 --> 00:48:42,579
on, I was still working at Jack
FM, and, you know, instantly I

939
00:48:42,579 --> 00:48:46,899
was like, why? You know, some of
the more unrealistic elements of

940
00:48:46,899 --> 00:48:50,499
the show were like, hey, you
know, I'm having a bad day.

941
00:48:50,499 --> 00:48:55,299
Let's go down to tootsies and
get a drink. I'm like, No. And

942
00:48:55,299 --> 00:48:59,559
nobody that lives here,
especially if they're an A list

943
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:02,879
star, oh, let's just go down the
tootsies. And that doesn't

944
00:49:02,879 --> 00:49:06,719
happen. Made for a good state,
meet me up on the pedestrian

945
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,799
bridge for a little No, it
doesn't. No, that doesn't

946
00:49:10,799 --> 00:49:14,279
happen. Yeah, right, yeah. I
don't want to sing on the opry

947
00:49:14,279 --> 00:49:17,099
stage. And she just happens to
walk up to the stage, and

948
00:49:17,099 --> 00:49:20,599
there's a spotlight, right? I'm
just gonna bask in the globe. I

949
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:24,439
mean, it is a television show.
Oh, be realistic about it, for

950
00:49:24,439 --> 00:49:27,439
crying out loud, stretching
reality a little bit, yeah, but

951
00:49:27,439 --> 00:49:30,079
stretching it like beyond. But
people were

952
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,499
ravenous. They loved the show.
Do you get a couple years out of

953
00:49:33,499 --> 00:49:34,099
that? Huh? I

954
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:37,640
did, I did the first season, and
then maybe one or two episodes

955
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,320
of season two. Did you get to
hang out with Connie? Not

956
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,740
really. She was in a couple of
scenes I did, but yeah, she's

957
00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:49,120
more with the Hayden character
and Chip Eston, which I didn't

958
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,360
realize at the time. Whose Line
is it? Anyway you remember that

959
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:57,520
show? Yeah, he was on that.
Charles Eston, yeah. He was

960
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,480
also, like, the, you know, yeah,
the off. Us, yeah,

961
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,120
he played a couple of, a couple
of episodes in season three of

962
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:06,720
the office, and

963
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,780
then he ended up on that
television show with all the

964
00:50:09,780 --> 00:50:11,580
kids, and there's, like,
pirates, and they're in the

965
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:14,220
Carolinas, and they're chasing
each other. It's like

966
00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:17,220
a, like, a, oh, oh, Outer

967
00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:18,600
Banks. He's great in Outer

968
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,260
Banks. I didn't see, yeah, he
turned out to be, I guess, the

969
00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:21,560
bad guy.

970
00:50:21,740 --> 00:50:24,080
He was the bad guy, that's
right, I will say he was one

971
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,140
too, because he played guitar.
And couple of the scenes, he was

972
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:30,020
wanting to get the part down, so
he would ask the guitar player

973
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,780
that was hired, like, Hey, am I
doing this right kind of thing?

974
00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:35,600
Yeah, yeah. Because he is kind
of, he's a musician. He is,

975
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,720
yeah, but he was wanting to
actually look like he was

976
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,920
playing it, where some probably
didn't really care. But Michael

977
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,980
Knox, you know, Jason's
producer, got called to produce

978
00:50:44,980 --> 00:50:48,280
a couple of tracks for each of
some of these stars on that

979
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,060
television show. And of course,
he calls us up, and he's like,

980
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:55,000
you know, are you guys? Of
course, you want to do it. But

981
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,660
right now we're playing a county
fair somewhere in the middle of

982
00:50:58,660 --> 00:51:01,200
America, so I couldn't do it.
But you know, there was no

983
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,000
flexibility on the date. It's
like,

984
00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:06,480
these things happen right when
you're on the road, yeah, you

985
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,700
know, yeah, exactly. You can

986
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:09,840
phone it in now,

987
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,980
hey, you went, Uh, did some uso
gigs. Yeah, I love those. I did,

988
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,520
been to about 1919, countries.
You see some interesting things.

989
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,620
And you definitely feel the
love, because they love you

990
00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:24,980
being there, exactly,
entertaining them, yeah, Kuwait,

991
00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:30,200
Afghanistan, Turkey, Italy,
Spain, England. Let me guess the

992
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,880
best food was in Italy.

993
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,320
Ah, you're probably right, Italy

994
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,480
or Spain, Italy. I mean, England
is, you know, well, so

995
00:51:40,540 --> 00:51:44,620
for some of those, like, uh,
Kuwait and Afghanistan, we were

996
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:50,140
on a base, so we were eating
cafeteria food, yeah. But the

997
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,220
the Italy, Spain, that we were
doing a Chairman's tour, which

998
00:51:54,220 --> 00:51:58,360
was like, we flew over in on Air
Force Two, and then it was, it

999
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,580
was pretty nice, yeah, yes. Um,
so there we got to experience

1000
00:52:02,580 --> 00:52:05,640
more of the, you know, food
outside of the base.

1001
00:52:05,699 --> 00:52:09,659
Yes, don't they source the food
from local or is it shipped over

1002
00:52:09,659 --> 00:52:10,679
as well? That's

1003
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,980
a great question. I should have
those guys. I don't know. I

1004
00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:16,500
mean, those guys eat pretty
well, because an army runs on

1005
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:19,920
its stomach, you know. So they
do feed soldiers pretty well,

1006
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,480
yeah, general Hall, yeah. And
then you'd be working out. And

1007
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,300
we were in, like, you know, I
went to, like, Dubai and

1008
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:30,320
Macedonia and Croatia, and
you're, like, in the middle of

1009
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,440
some desert in a tent, and
there's, like, this makeshift

1010
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,360
gym, and you're on the stairs
master. And

1011
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,560
we was a chrome gym equipment,
like, from the 80s that was

1012
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:40,780
pretty relatively

1013
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:43,720
new, yeah, relatively and then
we landed, like, on one of those

1014
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:48,280
things on the aircraft carrier,
and it catches you haven't been

1015
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,520
able to do that, and then we
worked out in the bowels the gym

1016
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,120
was in the bowels of the ship.
And you're like, you were on an

1017
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,840
aircraft carrier, yeah, the USS
Kennedy, really? We dined with

1018
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,620
the captain and everything, wow.

1019
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:04,679
So you actually landed on an
aircraft. How do I not know

1020
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,799
this? Oh, man, we did all that
stuff with Rush low. That's

1021
00:53:07,799 --> 00:53:10,739
amazing. Oh, wow, yeah, we made
very little money, but we had

1022
00:53:10,739 --> 00:53:12,659
great experiences. It's

1023
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:15,600
like, you know, saving people
from shrimp at a Vegas strip

1024
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:15,900
club.

1025
00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:19,860
Exactly right. Dude,

1026
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:25,100
unbelievable. So Greg, I gotta
say, if you're, if you were, are

1027
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:27,860
comfortable talking about it,
you got a 12 year anniversary

1028
00:53:27,860 --> 00:53:30,560
coming up here in a week, this
Sunday, this,

1029
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,679
yeah, here in a few days. Yeah.
So to me, this

1030
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,460
seems like it was a thing that
was probably very life changing

1031
00:53:37,460 --> 00:53:41,680
for you. Yeah, very and just the
way you frame your life and see

1032
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,400
life, and don't you even have a
clinic. Now that's kind of kind

1033
00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:47,740
of wrapped around some of these
concepts, yeah,

1034
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:53,919
yeah. So it's Yeah. So I was in
a wreck driving back to

1035
00:53:53,919 --> 00:53:58,539
Nashville, and got rear ended by
a semi truck going about 50.

1036
00:53:58,540 --> 00:54:01,560
They Yeah, he was going 50. How
fast, and

1037
00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:03,959
you were, well, I was either
stopped or moving slow because

1038
00:54:03,959 --> 00:54:06,179
there was a bed wreck on the
other side of the interstate,

1039
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,559
like fiery wreck. And then, um,
what were you driving a pickup

1040
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,139
truck? Which, oh, okay, it was
about that size. But then the

1041
00:54:13,139 --> 00:54:16,559
bed just kind of, yeah, big old
crumple zone, yeah, oh, which,

1042
00:54:16,619 --> 00:54:18,899
that's what it's kind of
designed to do, which is great.

1043
00:54:19,319 --> 00:54:22,819
Was anybody in front of you?
Yes. So I hit the car in front

1044
00:54:22,819 --> 00:54:25,339
of them, and then I think they
hit the car in front but I don't

1045
00:54:25,339 --> 00:54:28,879
remember anything. Wow, yeah. So
yeah, my truck was pretty

1046
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:36,199
mangled. Oh, but yeah, so that
happened, and that was up up in

1047
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:39,799
the hop up in Louisville for
about three weeks, hospital for

1048
00:54:40,699 --> 00:54:43,299
two weeks, and then a rehab
hospital next door for next door

1049
00:54:43,299 --> 00:54:45,699
for another week, and then went
back to Nashville and did a

1050
00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:48,279
bunch of rehab stuff. Yeah,
there's a lot of rehabbing.

1051
00:54:48,340 --> 00:54:53,620
Yeah, that would be very trying,
like, on your patients, and

1052
00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:56,380
emotionally difficult, because
you're, you're learning how to

1053
00:54:56,380 --> 00:54:57,340
do everything again,

1054
00:54:57,700 --> 00:55:01,560
yeah, so I lost all my strength,
like I. Couldn't like when I

1055
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,100
remember bits and pieces of the
stuff when I was in hospital, I

1056
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:07,860
remember walking with the
walker, because I couldn't just

1057
00:55:07,860 --> 00:55:11,700
stand up on my own. Really, just
lost all the strength, yeah, so,

1058
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:16,380
but it just and that just
slowly, you know, got back to it

1059
00:55:16,380 --> 00:55:20,040
and the rehab and, you know,
physical therapy and all that.

1060
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,900
But I had a TBI as well a
traumatic brain injury, so my

1061
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:27,020
memory, like I remember in the
rehab hospital, I'd have

1062
00:55:27,020 --> 00:55:29,300
breakfast, and then by the end
of the day, I couldn't tell you

1063
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:33,200
what I had for breakfast. Oh,
wow, yeah, it's pretty wild. But

1064
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,480
so it took a while for the
memory to get back. Earlier you

1065
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,080
mentioned that

1066
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:39,619
because I was like, yeah, how do
you improve your memory?

1067
00:55:40,699 --> 00:55:43,179
Fish oil? Pills. Yeah, yeah.

1068
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,420
But no, there's a there's a
couple apps you can do, was it?

1069
00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:50,440
I forget the name of it, but I
did that where they like not

1070
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:51,640
gains, but they'll give you

1071
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,479
no challenges, yeah, challenges,
brain challenge, yeah.

1072
00:55:55,660 --> 00:55:59,260
But thankfully, it got better,
but it's still like to this day,

1073
00:55:59,260 --> 00:56:03,540
I feel like it's not as good as
it used to be, but, you know, I

1074
00:56:03,540 --> 00:56:07,560
can still function. Yeah, you
know. But yeah, so did. That

1075
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,560
broke my neck, and that was so
that, and the brain, brain

1076
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,120
injury were the main two

1077
00:56:12,419 --> 00:56:15,179
biggest issues. So it was a, so
it wasn't a, obviously, you're

1078
00:56:15,179 --> 00:56:17,519
still able to move. You're not a
quadriplegic

1079
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,920
that broke c2 which is somebody
hangs themselves. That's what

1080
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:27,200
goes it could sever the spine.
So I'm super lucky to still be

1081
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,660
here and then not be paralyzed,
you know. So it's one

1082
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:31,880
of those things. I mean, even
though we brought it up earlier

1083
00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:36,440
with Rick Allen, yeah, similar
situation, all of a sudden,

1084
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,500
everything, you know, it's 12
years ago, so that would be 2013

1085
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,900
you're you've got some time in,
you got some success. There's a

1086
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:46,300
height of a career happening.
And then it's like, you know, I

1087
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:48,760
got a lot of things going, and
then this happens, yeah, it's

1088
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,040
like, Oh, my God, terrifying,
right?

1089
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,560
Like, what happens if I can't

1090
00:56:55,179 --> 00:57:01,859
play my because we wrap our
whole life in our, our, our

1091
00:57:01,859 --> 00:57:04,919
definition of ourselves around
this sure

1092
00:57:04,980 --> 00:57:09,360
and to withhold the brain
injury. I didn't know, I know I

1093
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,500
could rebuild the strength, and,
you know, it took a while, but I

1094
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:15,600
didn't know if it would still
feel the same, you know,

1095
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,800
because, you know, I may have
come back and just sound it felt

1096
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,340
different or not, you know,
yeah, sounded real stiff or, you

1097
00:57:22,340 --> 00:57:24,800
know, but thankfully, I was able
to

1098
00:57:25,099 --> 00:57:28,399
to put on that kind of blue
record and just, Spang, bang. A

1099
00:57:28,399 --> 00:57:29,539
Lang it, man, you know,

1100
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,880
what did you sit? Do you
remember what you sat down to

1101
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,840
play the first time? I

1102
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,780
remember sit just at a practice
because I had a neck brace on

1103
00:57:35,780 --> 00:57:37,880
for like, three months. So I
just remember sitting at a

1104
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,140
practice pad, just taking it
slow, then sitting behind a kit

1105
00:57:41,140 --> 00:57:44,320
and just, you know, slowly
working up grooves. And just as

1106
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,400
a lot of it was strength.

1107
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:50,140
What kept you going every day? I
mean, it's easy in, in the short

1108
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:55,120
term, term of going day to day,
it's easy to be like, I just,

1109
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,760
you know, you got to have the
will. You had to dig deep out of

1110
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:57,940
it.

1111
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,260
Yeah, a lot of it was music
because I wanted to get back on

1112
00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:03,600
the road. I want to get back to
doing it, because that was my

1113
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,900
motivation to to get back on the
road. And Kelly, at the time,

1114
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:10,200
was great. And she she said,
Take as long as you need. Your

1115
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,620
job. Will be here whenever
you're ready, yeah, which meant

1116
00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:14,100
a lot, you

1117
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:17,700
know, yeah. So I would imagine
salary was involved at that

1118
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:18,420
point, or,

1119
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,100
uh, no, it was a show per show,
per show, yeah. But she was

1120
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:25,760
super nice. And like when my
family from Illinois, but they

1121
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,720
drive over, and she took care of
hotel rooms for him to stay,

1122
00:58:29,780 --> 00:58:33,200
yeah? And then the drumming
community did a benefit, which

1123
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,540
Rich was at, yeah, so, and all
that helped, you know, yeah, so,

1124
00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:42,280
yeah, it was definitely, I don't
recommend doing it. I mean,

1125
00:58:42,340 --> 00:58:46,180
what happened to the semi driver
is he? Like, what

1126
00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:48,760
was he? What caused the x was
he? Was he? I think

1127
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,600
was just distracted from the
fiery wreck. I'm assuming. I

1128
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:53,560
really don't know. I've never

1129
00:58:53,619 --> 00:58:56,799
talked so there was a wreck
already on the road, yeah, on

1130
00:58:56,799 --> 00:58:59,559
the other side, on the other
side. Oh, he was rubbernecking,

1131
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:00,099
yeah.

1132
00:59:00,459 --> 00:59:04,319
So I think that's why I was
either going very slow or

1133
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:07,439
stopped, because all the traffic
was kind of slowing down.

1134
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,100
Should do the like a get a pi
attorney involved at all, or

1135
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,240
personal injury? Yeah,

1136
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:17,940
I had to just Yeah, because I
had to be life flighted and, my

1137
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:23,720
god, yeah, so. But I was getting
bills in the mail from that

1138
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,680
company. Yeah, because insurance
doesn't cover, I had health

1139
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,460
insurance, but only covered up
to 5000 for transportation,

1140
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,360
right? And there's like, 25
grand for that Life Flight,

1141
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:36,500
yeah, and I don't remember it.

1142
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,360
So they're, they're, they're
sending you bills at least,

1143
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:44,380
like, Hey, can I make, can I
make payments on this? Right?

1144
00:59:44,380 --> 00:59:47,200
So, but, but anyway, I changed
your question. Yes. I had, had

1145
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,080
to get an attorney involved to
he kind of handled all that for

1146
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,620
me, but I had to make a payment
just to kind of shut them up.

1147
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,160
And then everything got worked
out between the trucking company

1148
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,780
and everything you know, could
you at least come out? A head,

1149
01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:05,280
if you want to call it a head.
Well, I mean, you know finance,

1150
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,040
yes, financially, yeah. So, I
mean, more than likely I'll need

1151
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,040
another surgery down the line,
because the fusion, they did

1152
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,060
fusion c2 to c3 and it puts
pressure like c3 to c4 right? So

1153
01:00:15,060 --> 01:00:17,280
chances are down line, I'll need
another one. So yeah,

1154
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,320
my gosh, and you got to count on
that financial Yeah. So I just

1155
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:21,680
again, yeah,

1156
01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:24,019
so I just put it all the way and
act like I don't have it, and

1157
01:00:24,019 --> 01:00:26,239
hopefully, hopefully I don't
need it for

1158
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,480
that. Yeah, interesting. That's
really smart. But the craziest

1159
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,460
thing though, mentioning the
other wreck,

1160
01:00:33,139 --> 01:00:35,599
so there was already an
ambulance, or more than one name

1161
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:40,539
is on that go into that scene.
But while they were in route.

1162
01:00:40,539 --> 01:00:44,859
They got diverted to mine. So
they were only, you know, two to

1163
01:00:44,859 --> 01:00:48,519
three minutes from me when my
accident happened. Oh, wow,

1164
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:52,479
yeah. But they got they got
diverted, though, because the

1165
01:00:52,479 --> 01:00:55,599
people in neither wreck didn't
make it. Oh, really, yeah,

1166
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,500
wow. That's, yeah, how far so
Life Flight from where to where

1167
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,700
I was, I think maybe 40 some
miles south of Louisville. And

1168
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:09,360
there was a, like a local is in
Hardin County, a local community

1169
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,020
hospital there. So they took me
there, but then life led me from

1170
01:01:13,020 --> 01:01:15,960
that hospital up to Louisville.
Okay, they had a trauma center

1171
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,460
up there. 40 miles,

1172
01:01:17,699 --> 01:01:17,999
$25,000

1173
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,340
Yeah, wow, it's not cheap,

1174
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,340
dude. Medical stuff is insane.
We're in the business.

1175
01:01:25,820 --> 01:01:26,720
Yeah? You know,

1176
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,140
I got a little

1177
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:34,760
arthritis in my neck. It's a
beautiful gift for my mom and my

1178
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,220
dad. So I went to physical
therapy today. I'm trying to

1179
01:01:37,220 --> 01:01:41,980
figure out ways to Sure, yeah,
move forward. And not, you know,

1180
01:01:41,980 --> 01:01:44,980
because you do the whole, like,
all the, all that stuff,

1181
01:01:44,980 --> 01:01:47,980
cracking, yeah, the and the foam
roller, different things you do

1182
01:01:47,980 --> 01:01:51,040
with the foam roller and and
then some bands. And you put the

1183
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,380
bands in the door, and what are
they talking

1184
01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:57,100
they encourage any chiropractic
that kind of situation,

1185
01:01:57,099 --> 01:02:01,499
no chiropracting is it's like a
dark art. It's like, either like

1186
01:02:01,499 --> 01:02:03,539
it or you don't, kind of a
thing, or you believe in it, or

1187
01:02:03,539 --> 01:02:05,759
you don't. I don't know. I'm on
the fence.

1188
01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:08,940
It's always worked out for me in
the past. So, yeah, gotta do it

1189
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:09,660
on a regular

1190
01:02:09,659 --> 01:02:12,599
basis. I've never, never tried,
and I'm very scared now, with my

1191
01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:16,979
neck in any kind of a, yeah,
kind of, what were

1192
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:21,620
some of the challenge like, what
were noticeable losses, if any,

1193
01:02:21,620 --> 01:02:24,620
when you finally sat back down
at the drums at a gig, or maybe

1194
01:02:24,620 --> 01:02:26,480
in rehearsal or anything like
that, where

1195
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,379
movement like, because I was at
a neck brace for three months,

1196
01:02:30,379 --> 01:02:36,559
so when I got it taken off, I
would still like, yeah, so it

1197
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,659
took quite a while just to get
the movement back. You know, so

1198
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:43,659
kind of a funny story, Jay, a
bass player, one of my best

1199
01:02:43,659 --> 01:02:48,099
friends, I got back on the road.
I probably came back sooner than

1200
01:02:48,099 --> 01:02:52,479
I should have, but so my
movement was still kind of

1201
01:02:52,779 --> 01:02:57,999
limited, very limited. So we're
playing this, this venue, and

1202
01:02:57,999 --> 01:03:02,639
then had like a balcony around
us, and he's like, dude, like,

1203
01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:05,639
look up that. Like, check out
this chick, right? Yeah, so

1204
01:03:07,020 --> 01:03:09,840
you did the other do the batch
move. It's like, this

1205
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,380
five year old little girl, and
he's just laugh. He just did the

1206
01:03:13,380 --> 01:03:18,180
mess with me, but I had to do
this, that whole thing, and back

1207
01:03:18,180 --> 01:03:21,560
around. And he's just laughing.
Which day is this? Jay Weaver,

1208
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,340
Jay Gorman. Jay Gorman, so he
was with Kelly the whole time,

1209
01:03:25,340 --> 01:03:27,980
and then actually played with
Easton for a couple years, but

1210
01:03:27,980 --> 01:03:30,260
we were in a band together
shortly after I moved to

1211
01:03:30,260 --> 01:03:30,680
Nashville.

1212
01:03:30,739 --> 01:03:33,319
Yeah, I hadn't seen him in a
very long Yeah,

1213
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,980
but no, he's great, but no,
yeah, it was kind of funny. So I

1214
01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:40,720
guess getting back just the
mobility and movement, and it

1215
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,960
took a while just, you know,
strength wise, playing a full

1216
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,660
show to get back to where I felt
really, really comfortable

1217
01:03:46,660 --> 01:03:47,620
again. You know, are

1218
01:03:47,620 --> 01:03:50,620
you kind of a dancer when it
comes to playing, you say you

1219
01:03:50,620 --> 01:03:51,580
dance in the seat? I'm

1220
01:03:51,579 --> 01:03:55,239
not. I'm no, I'm pretty great.
You're

1221
01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:58,599
Neil. Just serious, yeah, yeah.

1222
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:00,599
She takes care of business.
Yeah,

1223
01:04:00,659 --> 01:04:04,319
I don't have a lot of extra
movement or motion, I guess. But

1224
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:04,679
right? You're

1225
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,260
not doing the ridiculous things
that I'm doing and making the

1226
01:04:07,260 --> 01:04:07,860
ridiculous

1227
01:04:07,860 --> 01:04:09,960
phases. I should, maybe I
should. Yeah, it's,

1228
01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:14,160
it's painful. You do kind of rub
off. You know, I find myself

1229
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,020
dancing a lot more when I play.

1230
01:04:16,020 --> 01:04:20,120
Well, whatever you got to do to
get that feeling in

1231
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,780
your body movements important,
yeah, but mine's not really too

1232
01:04:23,780 --> 01:04:26,060
exaggerated. But, yeah, you're

1233
01:04:26,059 --> 01:04:28,399
not, you're you're not limited.
You you can, like,

1234
01:04:29,059 --> 01:04:33,259
work out, yeah, yeah, I still my
neck will stiffen up really,

1235
01:04:33,259 --> 01:04:36,859
really quick, yeah? But other
than that, I'm, I feel like I'm

1236
01:04:36,859 --> 01:04:38,539
pretty good killer. Okay, good

1237
01:04:38,540 --> 01:04:41,920
for you, man. Massage is very
thankful. Massages. No, here's

1238
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,180
what anybody near his neck,

1239
01:04:43,180 --> 01:04:45,040
nowhere, nothing, don't, don't
even look at it.

1240
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:49,900
Yeah, don't, don't touch.

1241
01:04:51,099 --> 01:04:55,299
So happy that you're no, but the
Nashville community was awesome,

1242
01:04:55,419 --> 01:04:59,499
yeah, because I lived by myself,
so my family came afterwards,

1243
01:04:59,499 --> 01:05:01,799
you know? Which they stayed with
me at the house for a while, but

1244
01:05:01,799 --> 01:05:04,919
I couldn't drive for months, you
know. So I'd have rise to and

1245
01:05:04,919 --> 01:05:09,479
from physical therapy and at
Vanderbilt, yeah, and then they

1246
01:05:09,479 --> 01:05:12,419
did the benefit. So the support
kind of going back to your

1247
01:05:12,419 --> 01:05:16,679
initial question, like, with the
clinic stuff, I make that a part

1248
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:20,119
of it, you know, yeah, how you
treat people? And, you know,

1249
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:24,139
build my old band director. He
has a book, right? Yeah, yeah,

1250
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:27,079
things you wish you knew
yesterday. That's great. Ah,

1251
01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:31,759
man, but he so going up, I had
the same band director from

1252
01:05:31,759 --> 01:05:34,519
fifth grade through high school,
so, because it's such a small

1253
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:38,419
community, but looking back, and
he was, he's the reason I

1254
01:05:38,419 --> 01:05:41,199
pursued music, really, he's got
to be very proud of you, yeah,

1255
01:05:41,259 --> 01:05:45,279
well, he's passed away. No, he
had pancreatic cancer, but,

1256
01:05:45,399 --> 01:05:49,539
yeah, but he's awesome. He wrote
the book, but he's the one he

1257
01:05:49,539 --> 01:05:53,739
like. He calls it Personal
Capital to where, if you act,

1258
01:05:54,099 --> 01:05:57,039
you know, like a decent person,
treat people with respect, show

1259
01:05:57,039 --> 01:06:00,039
up on time, you gain this kind
of Personal Capital like you

1260
01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:03,299
would with money in a bank,
yeah? And then, you know, you

1261
01:06:03,299 --> 01:06:05,639
have a good relationship with
the people. And so when you need

1262
01:06:05,639 --> 01:06:08,999
it, like after my accident, I
feel like I had a good, you

1263
01:06:08,999 --> 01:06:11,999
know, without really realizing
what I was doing, yeah,

1264
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:16,379
yeah. So they did that benefit,
and just it meant a

1265
01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:19,260
lot, tons of me. So were you
aware of your own personal

1266
01:06:19,260 --> 01:06:20,720
capital at that point? No.

1267
01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:24,319
And then so after that, to where
I kind of hit me, like, wow.

1268
01:06:24,499 --> 01:06:27,259
Because I always, you know, I
don't try to be an idiot or,

1269
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,380
you know, he was doing what
comes naturally and common

1270
01:06:30,380 --> 01:06:31,040
sense, yeah.

1271
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:35,180
So I didn't think about it or
realize it. And then he came out

1272
01:06:35,180 --> 01:06:39,320
with that book after my like as
a while, a few years after the

1273
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,960
accident. And then I read as
like, wow, this is all stuff I

1274
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,680
learned. I feel like he's by Mr.
Miyagi, where he's teaching me

1275
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,560
stuff where I didn't realize
right at the time. Yeah, wax on,

1276
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:51,340
wax off, yeah.

1277
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:54,939
Did it kind of strike a nerve,
yeah, really, yeah, because you

1278
01:06:54,939 --> 01:06:56,379
weepy, yeah, a little bit.

1279
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:58,180
But no, it's, it's, uh, it

1280
01:06:58,420 --> 01:07:01,680
doesn't take much to get me
weepy these days. No, a wee bit.

1281
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:02,520
The weirdest things

1282
01:07:02,580 --> 01:07:04,200
you get the Clint very

1283
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:06,659
easily. Thanks, Mom.

1284
01:07:08,579 --> 01:07:10,799
You know it's you're just, you
know, more in touch with your

1285
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:11,879
feelings, yeah? But I feel like

1286
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,580
that side of things is just as
important as the drum. I mean,

1287
01:07:14,580 --> 01:07:17,460
the drumming is obviously got to
be important, but the other side

1288
01:07:17,460 --> 01:07:18,660
is just as important,

1289
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:22,280
yeah? I mean, the drumming gives
us purpose, and it allows us to,

1290
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,540
like, you know, affect people in
this lifetime. But, um,

1291
01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:30,379
it's, it's not everything, no,
you know, and that's why I like

1292
01:07:30,379 --> 01:07:33,079
the teaching so much, because
it's, I like to take the

1293
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:35,719
approach my old band director
did. And it's not just about,

1294
01:07:36,259 --> 01:07:39,499
you know, a rudiment Ian, you
it's more about the bigger,

1295
01:07:39,559 --> 01:07:42,939
bigger picture, yeah. But
drumming is a way to, you know,

1296
01:07:42,939 --> 01:07:44,079
hopefully get to them. It's

1297
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:47,739
a people business. And you even,
if you even go to the Music City

1298
01:07:47,739 --> 01:07:53,499
drum show, check those guys out
in July, the you can kind of get

1299
01:07:53,499 --> 01:07:57,279
a sense of the community easily,
you know, it's just a really

1300
01:07:57,459 --> 01:08:00,599
even, you know, Courtney, my
wife, was there with me last

1301
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:04,139
year, and she noticed it. You
know, she has every reason to

1302
01:08:04,139 --> 01:08:07,259
not want to be there. She was
helping me out, and it's just a

1303
01:08:07,259 --> 01:08:13,439
cacophony in that building the
entire weekend. And she kind of

1304
01:08:13,439 --> 01:08:15,839
enjoyed it. I'm like I said,
that's the greatest thing about

1305
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:18,479
is that you're gonna see, you
know, your Greg Bissonnette,

1306
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,039
walking through and mingling
with people and just being cool

1307
01:08:22,219 --> 01:08:25,519
on down to people that just want
to network. And sure, you know,

1308
01:08:25,699 --> 01:08:28,579
dare I say network, or what do
you guys call it? Such a dirty

1309
01:08:28,579 --> 01:08:31,819
word, I know, but what's it
called? Then, um,

1310
01:08:31,939 --> 01:08:37,219
kibitzing, um, mingling,
crashing, party networking?

1311
01:08:37,219 --> 01:08:38,239
Maybe, I don't know,

1312
01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:41,260
yeah, but I feel like the
drumming community in Nashville

1313
01:08:41,260 --> 01:08:45,640
is very open and hospitable and
accommodating. Yeah, exactly.

1314
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:45,820
And

1315
01:08:45,820 --> 01:08:48,340
it's not like, you know, I guess
you're gonna get guys,

1316
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:53,799
does it exist on the surface
where, hey, man, I'm really

1317
01:08:53,799 --> 01:08:56,799
happy. I'm so championing you,
and I love the fact you got that

1318
01:08:56,799 --> 01:08:59,739
gig, but internally, they're
going, son of a

1319
01:08:59,740 --> 01:09:04,620
well, I mean, I think it's a
polite it's a politely

1320
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,300
competitive city, yeah, you
know, lightly competitive,

1321
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:11,520
interesting, a politely
competitive, you know,

1322
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,440
you've thought about this
before, yeah?

1323
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:18,540
I mean, because I've been in the
other music

1324
01:09:18,540 --> 01:09:22,340
cities, you know, yeah, you
lived in LA for Yeah, how was it

1325
01:09:22,340 --> 01:09:23,240
there? It's nice,

1326
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:26,239
but it's like, it's just, you
know, it's more spread out, and

1327
01:09:26,299 --> 01:09:30,199
see more cutthroat. It's, it
does seem a little less

1328
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,540
friendly. Yeah, you see, I came
out of Danbury, Connecticut,

1329
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,560
which was an hour and 10 minutes
out of New York City. I never

1330
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,640
really got, went down to New
York and attempted to compete on

1331
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:48,280
that level. But in Danbury, I
was like, one of the guys, yeah,

1332
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:49,000
you know,

1333
01:09:49,180 --> 01:09:51,940
to play my physical therapist
from Shelton, Connecticut. Yeah.

1334
01:09:51,940 --> 01:09:53,920
He goes, Hey, where are you
from? I was like, Connecticut.

1335
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,500
He's like, I never meet people
from Connecticut. Wow, but

1336
01:09:56,500 --> 01:09:56,740
that's

1337
01:09:56,740 --> 01:10:00,300
the funny thing is, I don't
think you're like to. Greg's

1338
01:10:00,300 --> 01:10:04,500
point about Personal Capital.
I'm not sure if you're really

1339
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:07,440
aware of yours rich, because you
have mentioned before in some

1340
01:10:07,559 --> 01:10:12,659
Well, if I die, I which hope you
will at some point it's going to

1341
01:10:12,659 --> 01:10:17,819
happen. Yeah, just who knows
when? I hope people show up to

1342
01:10:17,819 --> 01:10:18,359
the funeral.

1343
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,540
I have no doubt, no doubt your
funeral is going to be huge.

1344
01:10:23,660 --> 01:10:27,020
Well, hopefully it'll be a big
party. I would like, I, I you

1345
01:10:27,020 --> 01:10:29,300
have to take audits of these
things, and you wonder that,

1346
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,440
man, I hope I have that kind of
personal capital with people,

1347
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:35,540
because I'm pretty sure I can be
a dick sometimes,

1348
01:10:36,020 --> 01:10:40,940
but we all can. Jim, yeah, well,
you

1349
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,760
the thing about easiest to deal
with, yeah,

1350
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,900
but you, I have never noticed
that. I mean, what? You have

1351
01:10:46,900 --> 01:10:49,900
boundaries. You know, you know
how to put up boundaries, and

1352
01:10:49,900 --> 01:10:55,900
you're not a just a people
pleaser layover. No, I can, I

1353
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:57,220
could. I could be a people
pleaser,

1354
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,380
but you do it. I remember you
once telling me it was when we

1355
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:06,600
made the made the documentary,
and you said that it always

1356
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,960
stuck with me that I will
remember everybody's name

1357
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,440
because it's music to their
ears. I try, you try and make an

1358
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:16,020
attempt and try to use their
name, which is something that

1359
01:11:16,020 --> 01:11:18,240
rubbed off on me, because if
there's somebody who's wearing a

1360
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:22,220
name tag, I'll use their name,
yeah, and it earns you, you

1361
01:11:22,220 --> 01:11:25,100
know, favor, you know, love it.
It's like beautiful

1362
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:30,200
melody to their ears. It's
music. People love their name,

1363
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,360
and they love to talk about
themselves. But

1364
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,920
you were never opposed to like
you said something that was so I

1365
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:41,380
don't wanna say profound, but it
had a lot of weight to it,

1366
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:42,820
because

1367
01:11:43,119 --> 01:11:44,439
you never see anything profound,

1368
01:11:46,060 --> 01:11:51,520
Rich. I'm gonna remember the
receptionist, the second

1369
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,060
engineer, the first engineer,
the janitor, he says, because

1370
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:58,780
everybody in that studio wants
to move up, and at some point in

1371
01:11:58,780 --> 01:12:01,980
life, I want them to remember
that I treated them well.

1372
01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:06,419
And if the if the intern forgets
your ketchup on your french

1373
01:12:06,419 --> 01:12:11,639
fries, for, God forbid, do not
light them up, because they're

1374
01:12:11,639 --> 01:12:14,579
just doing the best they can.
Yeah, and that is not worth

1375
01:12:14,639 --> 01:12:19,139
ruining a potential Yeah,
lifelong relationship over

1376
01:12:19,139 --> 01:12:20,959
ketchup, because I've seen it
happen.

1377
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:24,740
We both have. But you never know
where that intern is going to

1378
01:12:24,740 --> 01:12:27,320
end up, right? You may be
working for him someday, you

1379
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:28,100
know, yeah, in

1380
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:31,100
five years. And people don't
think about that. No, they

1381
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:32,420
really don't like

1382
01:12:32,420 --> 01:12:35,540
the the Personal Capital thing.
It just all adds up. It wouldn't

1383
01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:37,760
and hopefully you don't need to
use it

1384
01:12:37,940 --> 01:12:42,220
as your, as your, as your
reputation precedes you, because

1385
01:12:42,220 --> 01:12:45,880
it does. Our reputation totally
precedes us, and we can ruin it

1386
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,300
in one second. Yeah, takes 20
years to develop it and

1387
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:51,640
two seconds to get rid of it.
It's so

1388
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:52,300
crazy.

1389
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,740
Yeah, I'm not sure how true that
is. What do you think you're

1390
01:12:56,740 --> 01:12:59,080
saying? You it depends on the
severity of what you did to

1391
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,440
ruin it. I mean, you can have a
bad day. Yeah, everybody's got a

1392
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:02,400
bad day. But if you

1393
01:13:05,399 --> 01:13:08,039
No, if you're dumping on people
on a regular basis,

1394
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:11,520
yeah, it's not good. No, it's
not good. But

1395
01:13:12,060 --> 01:13:13,920
Greg didn't do that. No, he's
no.

1396
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:18,840
But I feel like I used all of it
up because everybody was so

1397
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,860
helpful. So I feel like I want
to do more to help others now,

1398
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:22,460
you know, yeah,

1399
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:27,740
forward, yeah, we're in kind of,
like, a give back chapter of our

1400
01:13:27,740 --> 01:13:31,820
lives, you know, which is great
it is, we need to

1401
01:13:31,820 --> 01:13:32,900
start a nonprofit.

1402
01:13:33,859 --> 01:13:37,159
Maybe I should, yeah, about what
I don't know,

1403
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,900
like, you know, a fund of sorts.
Maybe that there's, there's a

1404
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:44,260
cut, you know, people contribute
to and whenever somebody has a

1405
01:13:44,260 --> 01:13:46,180
situation like yours, yeah, I

1406
01:13:46,180 --> 01:13:49,180
did look into that, actually.
And there's always already some

1407
01:13:49,180 --> 01:13:52,240
set up, and it's got to be
different enough to make it

1408
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,400
like a music character, yeah,
exactly. Yeah. There's

1409
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,180
some set up through the union,
some through the Opry. There's

1410
01:13:58,180 --> 01:14:03,420
different organizations that do
that, but it's to set up like a

1411
01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:06,900
501, c3, has got to be different
enough to make it Yeah, make

1412
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:07,740
sense, right? Then

1413
01:14:07,740 --> 01:14:09,360
you gotta have a board, yeah?

1414
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,760
Because I'd love to have
something, something music

1415
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,180
education related, because, as
we both know, it's disappearing

1416
01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:21,380
in the schools. Yeah. And you
and I owe our much of our our

1417
01:14:21,380 --> 01:14:26,420
mindset, our skill set, our
direction in life, from music

1418
01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:27,380
education, exactly,

1419
01:14:27,499 --> 01:14:30,319
definitely. It was very
important for me, because

1420
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,959
growing up in a small town, I
didn't have that, like a lot of

1421
01:14:32,959 --> 01:14:35,299
guys will have that, not through
high school, like the, you know,

1422
01:14:35,659 --> 01:14:39,499
a lot of music opportunities,
ability, you know, abilities,

1423
01:14:39,499 --> 01:14:41,919
and, yeah, I didn't have really
anything. So when I went to

1424
01:14:41,919 --> 01:14:45,519
college, that was my holy cow,
you know, yeah, high opening.

1425
01:14:45,519 --> 01:14:46,179
But I think that

1426
01:14:46,180 --> 01:14:49,360
just baked into your DNA, you
know? And I've just met you

1427
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,880
today, and I can always tell
you're just a chill dude and

1428
01:14:52,420 --> 01:14:56,380
you're gonna conduct your common
sense, as opposed to somebody

1429
01:14:56,380 --> 01:15:00,480
else's common sense. I don't I
think there's a flaw. Well, it's

1430
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:05,220
common sense. No, it's not. It's
subjective. Sure what comments

1431
01:15:05,220 --> 01:15:07,920
What is common sense to you, to
another person, is vastly

1432
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,460
different. So you coming in and
you know, you rich had talked

1433
01:15:11,460 --> 01:15:14,520
about in the documentary as well
working the dream,

1434
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:16,980
Jim, you're such a promo sexual

1435
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,400
you had mentioned how you've
gone into situations and have

1436
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,660
been vibed by people sure, you
know. And it's, it's, it's akin

1437
01:15:26,660 --> 01:15:29,540
to, like I go back to the car
business, where you have a

1438
01:15:29,540 --> 01:15:32,720
salesperson, because I was in
the car business. And there's a,

1439
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,200
there's a cycle that happens in
that business, and probably

1440
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:41,560
others as well, that you enter.
It's, it's, it's a place you can

1441
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:47,260
make a lot of money overnight.
It is truly like an overnight

1442
01:15:47,260 --> 01:15:50,260
success type of thing. If you
just hustle and grind and get in

1443
01:15:50,260 --> 01:15:53,260
front of people, you can make a
good amount good living, sure,

1444
01:15:53,740 --> 01:15:59,740
but most of those guys in that
role are kind of corralled by

1445
01:15:59,740 --> 01:16:03,840
managers who haze you. There's a
hazing element to it in probably

1446
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,140
95% of dealerships around the
country. But these guys that

1447
01:16:07,140 --> 01:16:09,660
enter, well, they want to either
they're going to be there for a

1448
01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:13,020
job or see it as a career. The
guys for a job, they last for

1449
01:16:13,020 --> 01:16:15,300
maybe a couple months, and
that's probably the reason why

1450
01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:18,300
the managers treat them as such.
But the guys that do stand out,

1451
01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:23,300
and guys and girls, they go up
the ranks and then, well, hey,

1452
01:16:23,300 --> 01:16:26,960
when I get to that position, I
get to treat them the way I was

1453
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,860
treated, instead of saying, You
know what, I'm gonna break the

1454
01:16:30,860 --> 01:16:31,700
cycle, yes, like

1455
01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:37,700
the fraternity, sorority thing.
I mean, like I, I was in FAMU

1456
01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:41,680
alpha or, okay, you know, it's a
professional music organization,

1457
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:46,780
and you have to, when you're a
pledge, you have to do all these

1458
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:50,800
crazy things, yeah, hazing, Oh,
totally got hazed. But

1459
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,440
I think ultimately, with the
people who are vibing that your

1460
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,280
experience that you had, not
naming names, yeah? That

1461
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:58,000
happened to them.

1462
01:16:59,260 --> 01:17:01,620
So I'm saying, yeah, it's always
like they chose most of the new

1463
01:17:01,620 --> 01:17:03,840
kid on the session, right? You
know what? I mean, somebody's

1464
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,260
always going to be the new kid.
We were the new kid, and we

1465
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,200
proved our worth, and we kept
showing up, and then we became

1466
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,140
the old kid. And now there's
going to be some new kid on the

1467
01:17:13,140 --> 01:17:15,900
session, and I'm going to go
right up to that kid and be

1468
01:17:15,900 --> 01:17:18,060
like, Hey, man, what's your
name? Where are you from? So

1469
01:17:18,060 --> 01:17:20,600
glad you're here. Let's have
some fun today. You know what I

1470
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:21,680
mean? Yeah, no, totally.

1471
01:17:23,060 --> 01:17:26,780
Have you ever had to get really,
like, tough on somebody when

1472
01:17:26,780 --> 01:17:28,340
they're not pulling their
weight? Or,

1473
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:32,659
Oh, when I was, like, teaching
drum lines and, you know, in

1474
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:35,899
college, like, my last year of
college, well, I was, like, the

1475
01:17:35,899 --> 01:17:39,499
drum I was the drum line guy in
my high school, right? So I had

1476
01:17:39,499 --> 01:17:44,499
to, yeah, come on, guys, you're
late. You guys are dirty. Come

1477
01:17:44,499 --> 01:17:47,619
on. I told you didn't look and
then, and then in college, I did

1478
01:17:47,619 --> 01:17:50,019
the three years on the snare
drum, and in the last year, I

1479
01:17:50,019 --> 01:17:53,259
wrote all the book. But did you
Okay? And then I had got to wear

1480
01:17:53,259 --> 01:17:57,219
the university crest jacket, and
I just bossed everybody around.

1481
01:17:57,219 --> 01:18:00,039
So I had to show up and be like,
get in line, guys. All right,

1482
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:02,519
let's cut it off. Whoa. You know
you gotta, it's you gotta be

1483
01:18:02,519 --> 01:18:03,119
tough, but you were

1484
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,880
the leader that they would take
a bullet for. I don't know if

1485
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:07,440
you wouldn't get killed in
friendly fire.

1486
01:18:07,799 --> 01:18:11,399
Who knows? Yeah, at that time, I
might have been a little bit

1487
01:18:11,399 --> 01:18:12,179
more of a jerk.

1488
01:18:13,380 --> 01:18:15,180
Don't make me get the hammer
out.

1489
01:18:16,740 --> 01:18:18,060
Smash some hands.

1490
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:22,760
Hey, uh, Yamaha snare drums.
Yeah, Anton

1491
01:18:22,759 --> 01:18:25,699
Fig, you get to, you get to get
some of those. Like, if you'd be

1492
01:18:25,699 --> 01:18:28,219
like, Hey, can I get one of
those Anton Fig ones with the

1493
01:18:28,219 --> 01:18:31,759
wood hoops? Or can I get a Steve
gad commemorative blah, blah,

1494
01:18:31,759 --> 01:18:33,619
blah, blah, because you're,
well, they don't make them

1495
01:18:33,619 --> 01:18:37,339
anymore, though, because they're
not laying around somewhere. And

1496
01:18:37,459 --> 01:18:38,179
I wish I'd

1497
01:18:38,180 --> 01:18:40,780
known those who went away when
they went away. Otherwise I

1498
01:18:40,780 --> 01:18:42,640
would have gotten some of those.
You could

1499
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,160
get that's a good snare drum,
that Anton fake snare drum with

1500
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:46,600
the wood hoops, the Paul line

1501
01:18:46,660 --> 01:18:50,140
drums. I did get a Paul lime
five and a half,

1502
01:18:50,140 --> 01:18:54,760
the Akira Jimbo, the Steve
Jordan, the Bucha, the Roy

1503
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,160
Haynes. You can find

1504
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,800
all those drums, but you're
gonna pay money an arm and a leg

1505
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:00,540
for Yeah, yeah.

1506
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,240
They're just not laying around
at Yamaha, and you can just walk

1507
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:05,340
around be like, Hey, you gonna
use that? No, I wish. What's

1508
01:19:05,340 --> 01:19:09,180
your go to? Are you a metal
snare guy or a wood snare guy?

1509
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:13,020
Uh, metal for the most part too.
Yeah, got so many metal stairs,

1510
01:19:13,020 --> 01:19:17,160
yeah, because you can get wood
tones out of a metal snare Yeah.

1511
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:21,980
I've got a my go to, like, I use
quite a bit. Is a six and a half

1512
01:19:21,980 --> 01:19:25,220
by 14 aluminum, yeah, my new
recording customer,

1513
01:19:25,220 --> 01:19:27,800
which is kind of like a
acrolite,

1514
01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:28,999
yeah, yeah,

1515
01:19:30,260 --> 01:19:37,040
yeah, yeah, I'm a brass over
copper, not a copper brass,

1516
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,920
copper over brass, Chrome over
brass, Chrome over Yeah, what's

1517
01:19:40,700 --> 01:19:41,560
the black beauty?

1518
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,100
The chrome over brass, yellow
over brass, but it's a DW, yeah?

1519
01:19:45,340 --> 01:19:49,600
Oh, it's their version, Yamaha.
Hey, you've been with

1520
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,000
the children a long time too,
right? Yeah,

1521
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,660
well, I've played them my whole
life, but I was with them. It

1522
01:19:55,660 --> 01:20:00,240
took a while to actually get on
the roster, yes, but I. Just

1523
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,400
kept playing them. And it
finally happened, I was at a

1524
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:07,680
basic and Sarah, at the time,
was the Artist Relations lady,

1525
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,860
and she's like, well, let's just
make this official. Bam. And we

1526
01:20:10,860 --> 01:20:14,280
had a rise with Kelly, and we
had a show in Indy during that

1527
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,460
time at Butler University, and
then when they're performing

1528
01:20:17,460 --> 01:20:20,160
arts center or whatever. And so
she came out to the show, and,

1529
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:23,419
yeah, nice, really cool. Yeah,
those are good relationships,

1530
01:20:23,419 --> 01:20:24,259
man. Yeah. I don't wonder

1531
01:20:24,260 --> 01:20:27,620
what the true cost it is to make
a symbol. I've always wondered

1532
01:20:27,620 --> 01:20:27,860
that,

1533
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:32,600
yeah, I got to go check out the
factory. Like, yeah. So cool

1534
01:20:32,660 --> 01:20:33,920
about Yeah, there

1535
01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:37,580
is it a lot smaller than you
realize. No,

1536
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,380
it was like, I didn't, didn't
really know what to expect, but

1537
01:20:41,380 --> 01:20:42,760
it's pretty good size from

1538
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,640
a business standpoint. It makes
you want to kind of wonder how

1539
01:20:45,700 --> 01:20:48,400
they began in the Middle East, I
guess in Turkey, because they

1540
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,200
were, they're, what, 600 years
old.

1541
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,920
Yeah, it's like one of the
oldest company, companies in us,

1542
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:54,400
yeah, and,

1543
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,980
but did they stand did they
start out making symbols? What

1544
01:20:56,980 --> 01:21:00,540
was their you know, I'm going to
start a business. Well, it's

1545
01:21:00,540 --> 01:21:05,160
gonna be, we're gonna make, you
know, flatware, and then all of

1546
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,320
a sudden it's metal plates.
Well, hey, you know, I want to

1547
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:07,980
use this metal

1548
01:21:07,979 --> 01:21:10,199
plate on this. It's interesting.
I'm sure there's some books

1549
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:11,999
floating around. Yeah, I
probably should know more, some

1550
01:21:11,999 --> 01:21:13,739
coffee table books, yeah.

1551
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:17,520
But it is great. And too, I
mean, and that's, they'll, if I

1552
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,260
crack one, they'll, like, melt
it down and reuse the Yes, oh,

1553
01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:21,680
really, yeah,

1554
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:23,840
that's nice. Interesting. It's

1555
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,720
totally nice. Man, well, that's,
that's great stuff. Hey, let's

1556
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,940
do the Fave Five. What's your
favorite

1557
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:31,520
color? Man, uh, probably blue.

1558
01:21:31,580 --> 01:21:36,020
Wow. You've gotten so many blues
out of like the seven. The last

1559
01:21:36,260 --> 01:21:40,120
seven or eight guests have said
blue. Amazing. We

1560
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,480
probably need to come up with
new questions. Okay, how about

1561
01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:44,920
this favorite food or dish?

1562
01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:50,559
Ooh, that's a tough one. I like
a bunch of different foods. You

1563
01:21:50,679 --> 01:21:53,379
mentioned burritos earlier. I'm
a big burrito fan. Yeah, me too.

1564
01:21:53,559 --> 01:21:57,219
Baja burrito, here is one of my
favorite places. You've been

1565
01:21:57,219 --> 01:21:57,519
there.

1566
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:01,240
Baja burrito, oh yeah, right, in
Berryhill, yeah, oh god, yeah.

1567
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,720
It's a stable. Yeah, it is,
yeah. It's been quite some time.

1568
01:22:03,780 --> 01:22:04,200
It's like

1569
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,080
they got the trifecta of really
good restaurants in that little

1570
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:09,720
area. They got salmon, Zoe's,
yeah, uh, Baja.

1571
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,360
And it works out great for all
the session players in Barry

1572
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:13,440
Hill. And they go there and

1573
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,499
well, and then when the Johnny
Rab office was right there,

1574
01:22:18,060 --> 01:22:21,320
Calypso was there, yep, oh yeah,
Calypso

1575
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:26,660
has been affordably feeding
somewhat healthy food to

1576
01:22:26,660 --> 01:22:30,680
musicians for 30 years. It's
pretty dang healthy, pretty dang

1577
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,080
healthy. That chicken is really
it's really good, but I like the

1578
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,240
island burger. I always go in
and like, I've never getting

1579
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,600
Island burgers left and and
they're like, one left. I'm

1580
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:39,680
like, what? And

1581
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,040
it's the same people that have
been there, what makes it an

1582
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,320
island burger? Meatless? It's

1583
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,260
actually just a hamburger, but
it's, you know, they got the

1584
01:22:47,260 --> 01:22:49,300
island vibe in there, so they
just call it the island

1585
01:22:49,300 --> 01:22:51,160
burger. Oh, so it's just a
burger. Just a burger. It's

1586
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,080
really lean meat, super lean.
It's

1587
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:57,040
almost by it's almost bison ish,
yeah. And they put a nice big

1588
01:22:57,340 --> 01:22:59,860
hunk of a purple onion on there.
Okay, yep.

1589
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,540
Lovely onion. If you guys are
coming to town in Nashville,

1590
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:06,120
make sure you visit one of those
three places. You're not going

1591
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:06,720
to be let down.

1592
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,320
Yeah, we should do a roll call
one time and find out who's

1593
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:13,920
really listening to the show.
Who are our listeners? Are you

1594
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,520
hobbyists? Are you
professionals? How old are you

1595
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:21,500
would you know? Comment below?
Yeah, we should do that. What's

1596
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:24,200
your favorite drink of the
moment?

1597
01:23:25,700 --> 01:23:26,720
Going through a phase,

1598
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,080
I'm a it's probably not the
healthiest drink. But like Diet

1599
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:31,340
Mountain Dew is my go to

1600
01:23:32,420 --> 01:23:37,100
some vodka in there too. Is x
Tito Yes, Tito's and Diet

1601
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:41,020
Mountain Dew? Yes, that looks
like glows in the dark. Awesome.

1602
01:23:41,020 --> 01:23:41,740
Yes,

1603
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,200
oh, I like that, but now I'm
thirsty. That's good.

1604
01:23:45,099 --> 01:23:49,359
This is really tough. Jim,
favorite song or favorite song

1605
01:23:49,359 --> 01:23:50,379
of the moment?

1606
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:54,520
Ooh. How about

1607
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,340
song? A song,

1608
01:23:59,740 --> 01:24:02,460
it'd be, it could be because is
the track is from your favorite

1609
01:24:02,460 --> 01:24:05,760
drummer, or it could be on your
movie favorite movie score,

1610
01:24:07,020 --> 01:24:11,100
um, probably something off of a
sting, 10 summoners. Tail. Oh,

1611
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:13,500
okay, that's one of my favorite
records.

1612
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:14,100
Inked.

1613
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:17,099
Yeah, yeah, nice. But

1614
01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:20,040
as far as current, though, uh,
actually, the students at

1615
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,600
Lipscomb, are you familiar with
the band? Lawrence, no, check

1616
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,980
them out. It's a brother, sister
duo. It's a horn band. Lawrence,

1617
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:33,140
yeah, they're awesome, yeah, but
yeah, um, their new record,

1618
01:24:33,140 --> 01:24:36,920
their uh, song called hip
replacement. It's an homage to,

1619
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:37,940
what is it? Oh,

1620
01:24:37,939 --> 01:24:41,739
wow, yeah. You check them out.
So it's, so it's in this kind of

1621
01:24:41,739 --> 01:24:43,299
like, you could you hear

1622
01:24:43,300 --> 01:24:46,900
their their song, you'll think,
what is hip? And that's, yeah,

1623
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:47,140
does

1624
01:24:47,140 --> 01:24:51,160
it have the kind of like figures
like that, huh? Nice? Oh, yeah,

1625
01:24:52,180 --> 01:24:55,780
yeah, yeah. Check them out
there. And I've seen them live a

1626
01:24:55,780 --> 01:24:59,020
few times. They're amazing live.
They're not local. Here are they

1627
01:24:59,020 --> 01:25:03,840
out of New York? City, oh yeah,
NYC. But they put up on their

1628
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:09,120
website. They put up their stems
to their songs. What? Yeah. So

1629
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,660
you can go solo up the drum
part, you can mute it, play

1630
01:25:12,660 --> 01:25:15,600
along to it. Oh, wow. And
there's like little yellow dots,

1631
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,900
and you can clip, click on them.
And tells you this was a

1632
01:25:18,900 --> 01:25:21,920
combination of program and live
drums. This is what we use to

1633
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:22,940
get this bass sound

1634
01:25:22,939 --> 01:25:25,099
like, pop up. Video, it is. It's

1635
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:27,080
super cool. Wow. Check them out.

1636
01:25:27,140 --> 01:25:29,600
That's a very interesting thing
to put out there into the world.

1637
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:29,900
It is.

1638
01:25:29,899 --> 01:25:33,979
But they, they kind of created
their that platform. Yeah, they

1639
01:25:33,979 --> 01:25:36,319
came up with it, wow. Kind of
like,

1640
01:25:37,099 --> 01:25:37,819
what's that app?

1641
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,800
Moises. Moises, that's an
amazing I use that for teaching

1642
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:42,220
all the time.

1643
01:25:42,220 --> 01:25:45,160
Yeah, I bet because you could
solve things up, add clicks.

1644
01:25:45,700 --> 01:25:46,000
Slow

1645
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:50,980
it down. Speed it up. I mean,
transpose nuts. It's amazing.

1646
01:25:51,700 --> 01:25:51,940
That's

1647
01:25:51,939 --> 01:25:54,039
really nuts. How about your
favorite movie?

1648
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:59,800
The wrong Missy of the of the
moment? Yeah,

1649
01:26:00,460 --> 01:26:04,380
I would say My Cousin Vinny, oh
my god, yeah, you blend,

1650
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,040
you blend, yeah, you blend.

1651
01:26:08,879 --> 01:26:10,139
It was so great. So

1652
01:26:10,140 --> 01:26:12,900
it was actually on just not too
long ago, and I watched part of

1653
01:26:12,900 --> 01:26:14,700
it, and it's still, it still

1654
01:26:14,700 --> 01:26:18,240
holds up. Man, yeah, it really
does. She is so cute. She was

1655
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:19,200
great in that movie.

1656
01:26:19,860 --> 01:26:22,160
She won an award for that too,
yeah?

1657
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:26,120
Like when she's when she says,
because this and this and this,

1658
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:26,540
yeah,

1659
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:29,840
great. That's great. Joe Pesci,

1660
01:26:29,899 --> 01:26:33,379
totally great. Hey, Jim, Don't
you usually have a question? I'm

1661
01:26:33,380 --> 01:26:36,800
gonna switch it up. Oh, and it's
kind of in line with what we've

1662
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:41,560
been talking about with Rick
Allen and your experience. I'll

1663
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,380
just, I'm going to put it out
there. What body part would you

1664
01:26:44,380 --> 01:26:45,340
not mind losing?

1665
01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:51,340
Wow, I did not sanction this. I

1666
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,980
want my arms and legs for sure.
I want my ears. I like to be

1667
01:26:56,980 --> 01:26:57,580
able to see too,

1668
01:26:57,580 --> 01:27:00,600
like you got to go maybe teeth
or something, right? If you had

1669
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:01,020
to lose

1670
01:27:01,859 --> 01:27:05,339
this one tooth, I could just one
tooth, yeah, yeah. Back,

1671
01:27:05,460 --> 01:27:08,100
back molar, or something like
maybe a

1672
01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:10,860
toe or something or maybe a
pinky. Would that throw off your

1673
01:27:10,860 --> 01:27:13,200
balance if you're missing a toe?
Depends on what

1674
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,020
toe, yeah, I think you need all
of them, but

1675
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:20,480
I think a pinky would be with a
small toe, yeah, maybe a nipple,

1676
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:23,960
nipple. We don't, we don't need
them. I mean, I got three. So

1677
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,060
okay, you too.

1678
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:28,700
I say tooth,

1679
01:27:30,979 --> 01:27:33,859
that's great. Buddy like it?
Yeah, coming up with new stuff.

1680
01:27:33,859 --> 01:27:36,559
Here's, here's another good one.
All right, what would you name

1681
01:27:36,559 --> 01:27:40,059
your boat if you had one? Oh,
nice. I a

1682
01:27:43,180 --> 01:27:45,820
good question. I don't know.

1683
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:52,480
Usually boat names have a they
got to be punny. Dad joke,

1684
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,940
exactly. Punny thing. Like,
yeah,

1685
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,219
like Dexter, slice of life.

1686
01:27:57,820 --> 01:28:00,520
Actually, that's, I just started
getting into Dexter. I'm really

1687
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,000
so good. I'm late to the game on
that one, but

1688
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,180
that's okay. It's you're gonna
you're in for a good time. The

1689
01:28:06,180 --> 01:28:07,020
knot.

1690
01:28:08,580 --> 01:28:11,040
Naughty hooker, yeah, not,

1691
01:28:11,100 --> 01:28:14,100
that's a good naughty hooker,
not now, like,

1692
01:28:14,820 --> 01:28:17,700
yeah? Like, it's a fishing boat.
Naughty hooker, yeah,

1693
01:28:17,820 --> 01:28:21,500
I made That's what she said. I'm
a big office fan. You

1694
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,100
watch the office, that's what
she said. Yeah.

1695
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:28,400
Big takeaway, yeah, T shirts
everywhere. World's best boss.

1696
01:28:28,580 --> 01:28:32,060
Yeah, yeah. What's the most
uncomfortable in that, in that

1697
01:28:32,060 --> 01:28:35,780
series, in your opinion? What's
the most? Like, you want to

1698
01:28:35,780 --> 01:28:37,460
watch it, but you're like, oh,
this.

1699
01:28:38,420 --> 01:28:39,440
Michael's an idiot.

1700
01:28:39,740 --> 01:28:43,180
He's he's brilliant. He is
brilliant. Yeah, so the dinner

1701
01:28:43,180 --> 01:28:46,660
party episode, right at first, I
was like, that's how I was, but

1702
01:28:46,660 --> 01:28:50,740
now I love it. It's, it's so
it's very uncomfortable, but

1703
01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:51,760
it's,

1704
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,740
you know, when they put that
out, NBC didn't want to, like,

1705
01:28:56,740 --> 01:29:00,180
they had such second thoughts
about putting it out because the

1706
01:29:00,780 --> 01:29:07,020
spousal abuse aspect of it was
so tactile that they just did

1707
01:29:07,020 --> 01:29:09,900
not want to, like they were
really worried about it, yeah,

1708
01:29:09,900 --> 01:29:11,700
but it was one of their biggest
episodes,

1709
01:29:11,700 --> 01:29:14,220
yeah. And I think it was right
around where the writers strike,

1710
01:29:14,220 --> 01:29:17,880
too, if I'm not mistaken, right,
whether I think it just they

1711
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,100
filmed it, maybe right after
they came back or something,

1712
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:20,960
yeah, yeah, yeah.

1713
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:27,919
That was, I want to say, season
four, yeah, yeah, season four.

1714
01:29:28,039 --> 01:29:31,099
But that was the other for me.
It's Scott Stotz.

1715
01:29:31,460 --> 01:29:35,600
Oh yeah, that, yeah, that. It's

1716
01:29:36,140 --> 01:29:39,860
so I don't know if I've seen
every episode obvious, like it's

1717
01:29:39,860 --> 01:29:43,360
on in a hotel room or something.
I'll check it out. But it's not

1718
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:47,200
like, I can say, like, King of
Queens. I have seen every

1719
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:53,860
episode 1015, times friends.
Every episode 20 times easy.

1720
01:29:53,860 --> 01:29:56,020
Yeah, I'm like that with the
office. Yeah, that's,

1721
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:59,680
it's like visiting old friends.
It is, right, and it's still

1722
01:29:59,740 --> 01:30:03,900
fun. Me, it doesn't get old.
They they cast it. It's like the

1723
01:30:03,900 --> 01:30:08,820
Marvel franchise that was, you
know, the Infinity saga,

1724
01:30:09,540 --> 01:30:12,780
perfectly cast. They had a
really good culture on set, and

1725
01:30:12,780 --> 01:30:15,240
you could tell, yeah, you know,
yeah. And just

1726
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,940
watching the behind the scenes,
like the deleted scenes, they're

1727
01:30:17,940 --> 01:30:19,800
all laughing, and they still

1728
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:21,080
hang out with each other, yeah,

1729
01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:24,860
yeah, that's great. I think it
was just film somewhere in some

1730
01:30:24,860 --> 01:30:28,580
little soundstage in North
Hollywood, and they tried their

1731
01:30:28,580 --> 01:30:32,120
best to, like, hide the palm
trees, right? You know? Well,

1732
01:30:32,119 --> 01:30:34,219
it's when they do the roof
shots, and it's supposed to be

1733
01:30:34,219 --> 01:30:37,159
in Scranton. Yeah, you see the
mountains in the background.

1734
01:30:37,159 --> 01:30:39,619
And, yeah, Scranton is
mountainous. I have

1735
01:30:39,620 --> 01:30:41,740
been to Scranton, yeah, so my
favorite

1736
01:30:45,460 --> 01:30:51,700
Pennsylvanians, Greg, I am so
happy that you are here with us,

1737
01:30:51,700 --> 01:30:55,480
and you are making a massive
difference. And I'm so happy for

1738
01:30:55,480 --> 01:30:57,940
you, and I'm super proud of you,
man, I appreciate

1739
01:30:57,940 --> 01:31:00,160
that. It's an honor to be a part
of the show. And

1740
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,220
oh man, I hope you had a good
time. I did. Yeah,

1741
01:31:02,399 --> 01:31:06,479
do you listen to it? I do.
You're the one. Well, I think

1742
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:06,719
Isn't

1743
01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:09,179
there one other one? We need to
do a roll call. We definitely

1744
01:31:09,179 --> 01:31:11,519
need to do a roll call and find
out who really our listeners

1745
01:31:11,580 --> 01:31:14,280
are. Yeah, crazy. Oh, it's
great. I like it, but it's more

1746
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,400
of like a a talk show than a

1747
01:31:17,699 --> 01:31:19,979
inside the actor studio kind of,
yeah.

1748
01:31:19,980 --> 01:31:21,740
I like, that's conversational.

1749
01:31:21,740 --> 01:31:25,100
It is. Yeah, these were a bunch
of guys hanging out. We've tried

1750
01:31:25,100 --> 01:31:25,400
to

1751
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,160
do that thing I always wanted. I
mean, the whole reason to do it

1752
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,320
is just really to shine a light
on my friends. You know what I

1753
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,680
mean? Because you guys are all
have so many great stories and,

1754
01:31:33,740 --> 01:31:36,620
well, you've had amazing guests
over the years too, which is

1755
01:31:36,740 --> 01:31:42,160
cool. What's your favorite one?
Well, you did

1756
01:31:45,580 --> 01:31:48,340
bill with a QE, yeah?

1757
01:31:48,700 --> 01:31:51,100
Bill Gibson, yeah, he was good.
Yeah, nice cat.

1758
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:55,240
Yeah, 70 years old, taking drum
lessons. It's amazing. Yeah,

1759
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:57,700
right. Just goes to show you
enjoying his walks to the

1760
01:31:57,700 --> 01:31:59,680
mailbox to collect his royalty
checks. Yeah,

1761
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:04,919
I did get to see them live. One
time I drove to Tunica. They're

1762
01:32:04,919 --> 01:32:07,199
playing, and this is before,
because they don't play anymore

1763
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:13,259
because of but I drove there and
then drove back that night, and

1764
01:32:13,319 --> 01:32:18,959
I got to meet through the friend
of mine got to meet Bill and

1765
01:32:18,959 --> 01:32:21,679
Huey and just say thanks, you
know, for, you know, the

1766
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:23,239
inspiration growing up and even,

1767
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,940
like, Hey, we're fellow Yamaha
artists, you know, right? I got

1768
01:32:25,940 --> 01:32:28,520
see him at the skirmor horn,
which was very nice, because

1769
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,280
lakes are so great. Oh, yeah,
were they playing with the with

1770
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,700
the horns and everything? Did
they play just with their horns?

1771
01:32:34,700 --> 01:32:36,140
Okay, yeah. How long ago was
that?

1772
01:32:36,140 --> 01:32:40,420
That was, um, probably, like,
2017 because I remember

1773
01:32:40,420 --> 01:32:42,820
you took, like, a picture with
Bill in the back staircase, or

1774
01:32:42,820 --> 01:32:44,440
you had met him, yeah, yeah,

1775
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:48,159
crazy, right? Yeah. Was a power.
Power played a lot, yeah,

1776
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:49,899
records saving lifetimes. Yeah.

1777
01:32:50,199 --> 01:32:51,459
Like, apparently he

1778
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,180
they were ready to disband, or
they were just trying to find

1779
01:32:55,180 --> 01:32:58,600
another gig, or, and he, he
appreciated their work so much

1780
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:02,700
that he added them to his band,
I think at some point, yeah,

1781
01:33:02,940 --> 01:33:04,380
it's great, great, great

1782
01:33:04,380 --> 01:33:07,080
body of work. It is, yeah, and
that was the first record you

1783
01:33:07,140 --> 01:33:11,520
were intrigued by, sports, Small
World Sports. Yeah. Greg Lowman,

1784
01:33:15,300 --> 01:33:22,040
two G's on Greg, G, R, E, G, G,
l, O, H man. Greg loman.com, and

1785
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:24,680
you're on the Insta for the
kids, yeah,

1786
01:33:24,740 --> 01:33:27,860
Instagram and Facebook, yeah,
yeah. I don't do a whole lot of

1787
01:33:27,860 --> 01:33:30,200
posting, which I probably should
do more. But yeah, you know,

1788
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:30,920
yeah,

1789
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:33,800
reach out. I get tired of it,
you know, first thing in the

1790
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,500
morning, get that coffee. I know
I gotta knock it out. Yeah, it's

1791
01:33:37,220 --> 01:33:39,680
always something. It's crazy.
Jim, do you have fun, bud? Yeah,

1792
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,220
just one. I like your new
questions. I

1793
01:33:42,220 --> 01:33:44,980
love it. Just pull them out of
my keys. I love

1794
01:33:44,979 --> 01:33:47,919
it. Hey to all the listeners. We
appreciate you tuning in. Be

1795
01:33:47,919 --> 01:33:52,659
sure to subscribe, share, rate
and review and we will be here

1796
01:33:52,659 --> 01:33:54,639
next time we appreciate you
listening. Thanks so

1797
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,980
much, Greg, thank you rich.
Really appreciate it. Thanks.

1798
01:33:57,100 --> 01:33:57,520
Jim, awesome.

1799
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:03,540
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