Unknown: Yeah, no, I have a horror, horror buff. Are you
into horror films? Not huge. I mean, I'll watch them, but yeah,
yeah, I like them. Yeah.
They kind of got a little out of hand recently with a terrifier
mode. Oh, my
God, terrifier takes things to a whole other level. That's not
horror. It's just so gratuitous. It's Gore, it's Gore, just gore.
I didn't see
that one.
It's, yeah, I won't do it. No, it's just
you can't unsee the thing.
You can't unsee it. But at the same time, is it more scary to
not be able to unsee it, or more scary to be so desensitized to
it that it doesn't bother you?
The desensitization is a thing that does happen to all of us
with everything that's going on, right? Yeah?
Because graphic violence used to be, like, you know,
traumatizing, yeah, rated R or now you see somebody you know,
on on, you know, granted, on, on, Walking Dead. At zombies,
they're already dead, but still gory, yeah, you know. And I
think that that TV series did a lot for just, you know, getting
people desensitized. Well, I
love zombies. I mean, I've seen every George Romero movie, but
George Romero zombies were slow and dumb and lurking. They're
still coming, but they're they're very persistent. They're
coming. They're gonna get you, but it's not like they're
running, no, not like World War Z all that stuff very fast.
This is the rich Redmond show
we were recording last night. And the topic of planking came
up, and I said, Yeah, I'm kind of doing some planking. And, you
know, getting into shape and stuff like that. And
until you said, Well, hey, you know,
how long can you go? I said, Ah, man. I said, at this point
probably, I could probably do 60 seconds ago, and it was like,
almost like, a challenge, kind of going down, I guess, yeah,
you think you can do that? I said, I probably could. And just
get them down on the floor and do it right there. We did it
after we finished in the next room, where at least we had
some, like, you know, not wood floor. And it was Neil myself
and Tully and I lasted two minutes and 15 seconds. That's
great, Jim, you are still. I even did, like, the the RAMBo
rocky thing, where I got Tully was to my left, yeah. And I was,
I was trying to, you know, psychologically, vibe, a
mountain, in a way. And I went off. I'm like, Hey, you good and
everything. I said, I'm looking you look like you're struggling
there. And I kind of got on my side. I said, Give me a fist
bump. And everybody in the room was like, Whoa. Look at Jim with
the one arm. Push up, dude. Yeah, we fist bumped. And is
this eventually, I didn't. He beat me. He went three minutes,
10 seconds. Hey,
that's a long plank. Because, I mean, some people are trying to
do the five minute plank, right? You know, like,
but, you know, for a guy that's my size, and I'm getting into
it, you know, I'm exactly not freaking all Schwarzenegger at
this point.
That's great, dude. Three Minute plank is amazing. Oh, two
minutes. Hey, is this a new thing where we kind of, like,
ease into it. We're like, Yeah, let's,
you know, rip down that fourth wall and just, just let
everybody in. That's right.
Because we do, we do have a great guess. How are you? How
have you been since yesterday? Yeah, what has happened since?
Yes, did you
have a good burrito and a cigar?
I did. I didn't go to the scar the cigar bar last night, and I
and I had one, and the gentleman that I was with, um, his lasted
hours, yeah, I mean hours. And I was mine. You ever Casa Cuba? I
had, like, a monta Monte Cristo or something like that, which
always makes me think of a Count Dracula, no mount de Cristo is,
is that sandwich that you dip in the batter at the member, it was
like a ham sandwich, and you would dip it in the batter, the
Monte Cristo.
You know, looking at me, you should, you should think that I
know these things.
Hey, so Jimbo, this is the rich Redmond show. Always exciting,
because this is this new format. Well, start
rolling. Wait a minute, is it? Is that? What that says behind
you?
It is the rich Redmond show. It's like, I want to get into
this, because this is like a celebration. We got a great
drummer with us, hailing from to topless Teutopolis. It sounds
Greek, but he says it's German to topless Illinois, calling
Nashville home since 2000 he is a Grammy nominated drummer. He's
been gainfully employed for a very long time in Nashville.
They played with Easton Corbin from 2017 to 2025 he was Kelly
picklers, MD and drummer from 2006 to 2017 he was Aaron with
Aaron Tippin from 2003 to 2006 and currently seven years since
2018 as the adjunct percussion instructor at lipskin
University, I'm talking about our friend Greg Loman. What's
up, buddy? I'm pretty good. How are you? Man, it's great to have
you here.
Thanks for the applause. Yeah.
So, um, you were telling me you live. How about We're about an
hour apart,
yeah, north of town. Yeah, I like it. It's kind of a little
rural area. How long you been out there? Here. Oh, since 2006
Yeah, bought a house, I see. And she, you know, it's the American
dream. The drummer buys a house,
yep. And the further out of town you get, the cheaper it's yes.
And can you? Can you make all the noise? And the neighbors
are, can Yep, got a basement? Nice.
Yeah. You gotta have a it's rare to find a basement in Nashville.
It is. Although, I will say at the moment, my basement is
cleared out because I had some water issues. So I do like the
basement, but I don't like them right now. Do you,
well, do you? Did you get flooded?
Yes, kind of a long story, but I Yes, some I had a leaky pipe
that was leaking outside and going right back inside, through
the foundation, got that fixed, and then a couple weeks ago, got
a bunch of rain, and the rain water found this way in. So, oh,
gosh, yeah, God, I hate that. So
it's a basement in the truest sense of the word, that it's
actually under the ground,
yes, yeah, that's built on a slope. So the front of the house
is underground, yeah, and then the back is not. I had one
of those growing up. We had, like, the most, like the
greatest garage ever, you know, two car garage, but separated in
the middle with a staircase. And we had rooms that went beyond
that, like scary rooms when we were a kid. But one of them, we
turned into an office and subsequently became my drum
room, which, yeah, it was awesome.
Speaking of scary and being kids, are you guys scared of
dolls?
Because I hate dolls. Like, what kind of like? Well, they tons on
the doll,
you know? I mean, like the girl dolls, you know that, and
they're like this, and they're in their little dresses with the
pigtails and stuff. And the kids in the 760s, 70s, would play
with these dolls.
My daughter, to this day, has she had a little toy when she
was a baby, wait, and she called it baby doll. Yeah, she still
does to this day. Still has it cute 18 years, but that wasn't a
creepy doll. But I get what you're saying, yeah. I mean,
my at my grandmother's house, this doll would be there, and I
was, everybody knew I was deathly afraid of this thing. I
mean, I hope that thing is just rotting in hell. So
what do you think the fear of clowns came from? Like,
everybody has, like, this irrational fear of clowns, I'm
gonna say it came from the movie Poltergeist, because, to your
point about dolls, remember that scene where he's sitting in the
bed, and the clown doll is sitting in the chair
looking under the bed, and then it's behind him, right?
Dude, that movie freaking traumatized me. Oh, it's
interesting, that whole clown thing, because I've seen guys
that are scared of them, and they won't, they won't have
anything to do with it. They run, run the other way, yeah,
yeah. And
then Stephen King really took it to another level.
Yeah. But do you think that's like, do you think it originated
from and that's a
good question. I feel like, I don't know. I think people have
always had an issue with clowns,
yeah, but clowns were, you know, I didn't have an issue, issue
with them, until that movie, like, you know, and then he had
killer clowns from outer space, but that was his camping, yeah,
you know, yeah, no, I'm, I have a horror, horror buff. Are you
into horror films? Uh,
not huge. I mean, I'll watch them, but yeah, I like them.
Yeah,
they kind of got a little out of hand recently with a terrifier.
Oh, my God. Terrifier takes things to a whole other level.
That's not horror. It's just so gratuitous. It's gore. It's
Gore, just gore. I
didn't see that one. It's, yeah, I won't do it. No. It's just,
you can't unsee the things. You can't unsee it. But at the same
time, is it more scary to not be able to unsee it, or more scary
to be so desensitized to it that it doesn't bother you?
The desensitization is a thing that does happen to all of us
with
everything that's going on, right? Yeah, because
graphic violence used to be, like, you know, traumatizing,
yeah, rated R or now you see somebody, you know, on, on, you
know, granted on, Walking Dead. At zombies, they're already
dead, but still gory, yeah, you know. And I think that that TV
series did a lot for just, you know, getting people
desensitized. Well, I love zombies.
I mean, I've seen every George Romero movie, but George Romero
zombies were slow and dumb and lurking. They're still coming,
but they're they're very persistent. They're coming.
They're gonna get you, but it's not like they're running No,
not like World War Z all that stuff
very fast. So I don't even know how this all happened, but this
is a great conversation. Yeah, Jim. Jim likes to, you know, my
thing is, I'm definitely want to have a free flowing
conversation, but I definitely want to make sure that we, you
know, people, get some takeaways about what really makes Greg
tick is a drummer like, you know, we're, we might be about
the same age. Yeah, you're probably a little older than me.
I think so I'm older than everyone. I'm older and five
years older than Jim. You wouldn't know it. It's crazy
today, my physical therapist was is 35 years old. I said, Oh my
god, we're 20 years apart. You could be my son. He's crazy, and
he had great. Hair. Oh, wow. This 35 year old guy had gray
hair. So when did you start playing? How old were you and
why? What was the spark? Well,
I did the whole pots and pans thing in the basement. Got to do
it, you know, yeah, yeah. But I just, I've always had a
fascination with drumming, drummers, drumming, and so I
just set up what I thought was a drum set, yeah, went at it, and
then, uh, my aunt and uncle had an old kind of beat up kit, and
they let me use it. So I set that up and started playing on
it, not really knowing what I was doing. This is beat like,
you know, I don't know how old I was, probably six or seven. Do
you remember the first beat you played? I don't remember the
first beat, but I do remember playing along to the Huey Lewis
sports album. Oh, really. What a great yes and interesting still,
to this day out, that's a great record. It's an
amazing record, yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's funny, because
there's a couple of songs on there that I believe have drum
machine,
yeah, or programmed Yeah. I'm
trying to think of one of the songs Jim's in a Huey Lewis
tribute band, yeah. And he's playing the city, city winery
on May 28 Are you may 28 Yeah, I'll have to go check it out.
Oh, no pressure for me. But yeah, every drummer in town
is going to be there, because I've been announcing it on this
podcast. You know, it
was announced this morning. What my entire BNI chapter, they're
going to pay for those who want to go. In terms of people in the
chapter, they should go see you in a different light, man.
Because, you know, one of the guys in the chapters, the guitar
player, that's right, he's
a nice fellow. It's crazy. That's great. Oh, yeah. Just,
is it all Huey or
all Huey? Okay, and there's a, there's a 12 minute piece that
goes from a couple days off into boys are back in town, which is
a flipping workout. Yeah? Wow. 12 minutes.
12 minute shuffle with a drum sole in the middle, right? Yeah.
That's only like a two bar drops, two bars, maybe four bar,
342, together. Yeah, it's about, so it's about the length. So I'm
trying to plan what I'm gonna do, like a triplet, double bass
feel, yeah, because it's, you know, a couple days off is like
hot for teacher, but really slow. Yes,
actually, you know, Josh Rosen, he does these, like tribute
shows. From time to time, he did a Huey one, and I got to play on
it, yeah? This is last year, I believe. And I'm not a double
bass guy by any means, but I borrowed one and worked up that,
right, yeah? Because you
see a lot of guys do it, they do the right foot pattern. I tried
doing that, but it just didn't feel right. I needed to you.
Either got to ride that floor tom on the the one twos and
threes, or, yeah,
I gotta hear this track, man, yeah. So it's just a slow you
know, all I want is a couple days off.
There it is, yeah, does? It's like, Bill got a double pedal
and he wanted to use it, right? We like Bill. I asked him when,
when we were talking to him. I said, were you kind of able to
Van Halen at that point? He's like, No,
you know, we love bill. Yeah, yeah. So, what was the first
band or the first drummer that you were like, Dude, this is the
thing. Ooh, that's good question. Oh, Jim and I were MTV
kids,
yeah. So my first band, and I still love them to this day.
Def, Leppard, all right, yeah,
gonna have to ask Bri, you know, pre, the arm, or, well, the arm,
I guess, is probably his stereo when I first so that's, that's
when he post arm. That was post, what one arm, Yeah, cuz
photograph is when he had both arms, yeah. But then I obviously
looked into him and saw the whole story, and yeah, but yeah,
all the stuff before that I really liked. You
gotta love the fact that they, you know, they they worked with
him, and they found a way. They
made her they made a very fun way to make it work.
Very sweet. Can you imagine
what was going through his head? You know, the whole your whole
life flashes before, everything, everything you worked for.
You're at the height of your fame and your success, and you
lose your arm,
crazy, right? It's like, you know,
I'm done, and then you
have to re train yourself to
play with like, nine pedals? Yeah, I have no idea how he does
it. Have you ever tried to play the snare part with your foot?
No, that's,
yeah, art man, yeah. Be crazy.
He's, he's great. I've got to. I've meet him a couple times,
and, uh, super nice guy. Seems like
a very approachable guy. Yeah, yeah.
They all, they all do. They all, all those bands seem to be,
like, really humble now, just like, whatever. And
they still, I saw them a couple years ago. They still sound
killer live, really, yeah,
pour some sugar on me. Has to be one of the most played bar strip
club songs in the entire world. Well,
that's how it became popular. Did you know that because of
strip clubs, strip clubs, huh? It wasn't that they released the
record, released a couple songs that did okay, but they spent,
obviously, millions on the record. And then strip clubs in
Florida started playing that, and it just Yeah. And
strip clubs in Florida, let's face it, are good for them.
Usually it's one of those hot beds that's like Vegas, of
attractive people, Vegas, Dallas, Dallas. US, Los Angeles,
Florida, all
those strip clubs still have a lunch shift. Yeah, you
don't want to go to that. I mean, the chicken wings might be
good, but the staff is not good. We had,
we had lunch at the library in Vegas, yeah, they were an
advertiser for the radio station, and we went to their
lunch buffet, and that was it's like from that scene in the
office where Darryl tells Dwight not to go to the strip club.
He's like, you can't. It's the day shift at a strip club.
Dwight, you can't unsee that
now all the pregnant girls, yeah, yeah. Cesarean. Lot of C
sections, lot of C section scars. Gosh, you don't get this
on the other drum cup podcast, you just don't. So you did the
whole thing, right? The Did you do the all region marching band,
concert band, the whole Yeah,
but I was from a small town, and we didn't even have a football
team, so the marching band we had was we did, like, two
parades, and that's about it, yeah. But then when I went to
college, I did the two years of that was
Eastern Illinois, Eastern Illinois University, and then
your Master's from the University of Tennessee,
Knoxville. Yes. Who teaches there?
I went there mainly for drums. Head, Keith Brown. Keith
Brown, that's William Ellis. Yeah, went there, yep, he
did, yeah. And then Michael combs was the percussion guy. So
I got an assistantship, so I would teach, like, legit
classical percussion. But my main focus there was studied
with Keith and yeah, Donald Brown was there, the jazz
pianist at the time. So I got a good, good dose of jazz stuff
when I was
in. He's great. He does it all. I mean, you could see, you could
find him on a marimba. You could see he's playing timpani in the
orchestra, and then he's playing jazz and his tuxedo. It's like
covering all the bases, man, you know, right? You kind
of see yourself coming to Nashville or, yeah,
I knew I wanted to end up here. And that's kind of why I went to
grad school in Knoxville. I auditioned at MTSU and UT in
Knoxville as well, so, but I ended up doing going there,
which I'm really glad I did. But after that, I knew I would end
up in Nashville, yeah.
And then when I met you in 2000 you were involved with the
Johnny rap drumstick company, yes, so rhythm saw, yeah. How
does that? How did that all happen? Man,
it's kind of a long story, but it's I go back to is when I was
in college in Knoxville. I go back to this one moment, to
where, if I wouldn't have done it, I feel like my whole life
would be different, like I probably wouldn't be here right
now, you know? So I was in a think it's a wind ensemble
rehearsal or orchestra rehearsal playing timpani. It's late in
the afternoon, and they have a Tennessee Valley Fair, and they
have acts come through there. Remember the kinleys?
Yes, they're great. So Kurt dated one of the kenleys. He
dated Heather, my really my buddy. Okay, wow,
yeah. So anyway, they were playing that night at the fair,
and I was going to go, but I was in this rehearsal, it was like a
long day. Wasn't feeling the greatest. I was like, I don't
know if I'm going to go, but I went and George Lawrence was
playing drums with him at the time. Nice. That's right, yeah.
And it was great. So after the show, I went up to him, said,
Hey, met him, and it's super nice. He's like, Yeah, I teach
out of Nashville, so if you ever want to come out. So I started
taking lessons from like, you know, every six weeks I drive
over, yeah?
But he introduced me to Johnny, Johnny rap, yeah.
So that's how I met Johnny. And when I was getting ready to move
to town, he was like, man, we just need help around the office
here in town. Would you it doesn't pay much, but would you
be interested as a kick? Yeah. So yeah, nine to five, I would
go help him around there. And then you don't go it at night
and start networking and all that, but that's how I met like
yourself and a lot of drummers around town, was through that
stick company, yeah. And you
had the office above drum paradise, which is now the drum
pad where I teach, yes. And
before that, it was at sound check. I went, right, there's a
sound check. And then we moved to drum paradise, yeah.
And then our next guest, who's coming in, John McTighe, the
third was one of your artists, and he developed these brush
hybrid brushes called webs. The webs, yep, and they were, they
were brushy, but there's plastic, plastic, and there's
like, three layers there, each a different length? Yeah, yeah,
work, great.
I've got some somewhere I do too, in a bag somewhere.
There's so many inventors in this space.
There really is. It's and it's really hard to get a music
auxiliary product to be sticky, right? Like, big fat, like,
snare drum. Did it, you know, like, lug locks, did it, right?
Drum dial, did it. But I mean, Moon gels are, I mean, it's
like, I kind of stopped using Moon gels. There's so many other
products, yeah, what do you use now? I mean, I like Gaff. I
like, you know, the drum taco. I like the big fat snare drum.
Comes,
I have a Mr. Muff, yeah, Mr. Muff. Don't
know about the Mr. Muff. It's, it's a,
you put, like a big, heavy washer in it, or not to wait on
the snare drum, but typically it kind of clamps down and it's a
big, like, a big mustache, yeah, you know, yeah, I've seen those.
Yeah. I got it at the Music City drum show coming up in July,
which
I guess we will have a booth at we're gonna have a booth so Jim
will be there on the Saturday of the Music City drum show, and
then I'll be there on the Sunday. Yeah, and what are we
gonna do at our booth? We're gonna have merch, merch babies
in my books, and we'll hang out
just, you know, kiss babies and smell roses and, yeah, shake
hands, do the thing. Yeah. Be fine. Where's rich? He's not
here. You got me though.
I produced the podcast. All
right, that's right, that's right,
important, yeah,
man, so I liked my Johnny because I was with regal tip
before that, yeah? And then, you know, I was with you guys. I
loved
them too, and I hate they kind of went away, but, yeah, I told
you about my idea, right? And then Johnny went away. You know,
Johnny Rab went away. He moved to, he's
also Indy, and used indies with collective soul, yeah, yeah.
It's been
a great help for him,
yeah, still a great dude, and we still keep in touch. And he's
awesome. He's one
of those guys I saw advertising because they did the rhythm.
Saw, I think, as it was Johnny Rab drumsticks, and it was like
the silhouette of the dude with the it looked like a skater,
yeah, it was kind of silhouette of him, right? And it was
always, like a quarter page ad in Modern Drummer, which I can't
imagine how much that cost, peace, really? Yeah, I don't
know, but yeah, it was one of those things that, you know, I
always knew his name. And then I was visiting my brother in
Michigan, and they had a great music store there, and I would
always go. We would always go, and I'd always have, you know, I
played the electric drums, because why not? And they had a
an educational video, like a DCi, VHS video on of Jim Keltner
and Johnny Rabb and Johnny was showing him the free hand
technique, yeah, I sat and watched that thing for had to be
20 minutes. I was just mouth agape, yeah?
I mean, very few people have that
ability to express themselves rhythmically, yeah?
And he makes it look so effortless. He really does.
Yeah. He
must have practiced a lot. Yeah,
he, he and I went to lunch, and he was, he was trying to, he's
like, I need to do a triple stroke roll. Like, why? You mean
the three in each other that, yeah, we do it. Then after a
while, you just start letting the sticks bounce. That becomes
a
buzz roll, yeah, yeah. Like, let's just make it a, you know,
quadruple stroke, you know, it's like an educator,
one of the hardest things to teach is the, you know, the
machine gun double stroke roll and then have it be super, super
DVI, open and clean, right? Because I basically tell the
kids, like, look it, it's mama data. And you want the second
stroke to be just as articulate as the first stroke. You don't
want to bounce it. You want them to be both as articulate as
possible. And to do that, you know, you just got to be with
your metronome. And you get into the duck, a duck, a bird, duck,
a duck, a bird. But I thought it was Hugga duck, a bird. Hug a
duck. A Burr, hug a duck, a bird, right? I thought
it was ding ding da Gaga, telling
them about what the goal is, and then how to get it and and what
happens in between is me telling them, oh, it's just you go. You
just
muscle memory, it takes a while to to work it up towards all
even, yeah. I mean, I not bouncing.
I think I really spent my youth doing that, right. You know, I
thought it was your marching band years. Well, definitely
four years in high school, four years in college. And did you
march at UNT? I did. I did not ung, I did it at Texas Tech,
okay, and then in high school. So in both my high school and
Texas Tech had 400 like, giant 400 piece marching bands. Wow,
you know, but they and they were both drum lines, were match
script drum lines, which has worked really great. Okay, me, I
just it was a fluke that they were both match script drum
lines, because I only play match grip. I didn't
have that luck, yeah, so I'd never, like I said, I didn't
really march in high school, we didn't have a football team, so
just did a couple parades. When I went to college, I had to
march two years. First year I did bass drum. Second year I did
snare drum, traditional grip. But I'm left handed, so I
typically lead with left hand, but I couldn't obviously, yeah,
so which, looking back, it really helped my right hand, but
I had to learn how to play right hand. Lead and but
you play your drum set traditionally, set up, yes, but
I
I'm open ended. Open like, yeah, yeah. Now
was that because, yeah, Carter he, he just sat down at a drum
set and automatic. He never saw anybody play it that way.
It makes crossover the open handed thing, right? But, no, I
started completely backwards, like left footed, like this. Oh,
you did that. I did. And then when I went to college, my
instructor, my undergrad, suggested I do the open handed
thing. Yeah, at the time, I wasn't thrilled about it, but
looking back is the best thing makes it a lot easier to sit in.
It? Yes, sharing, a kit, sharing. And I just like the
approach of the open handed more than the cross. Yeah,
have you played open handed? Much rich you ever try? Um,
you know, there's that beautiful book that we all kind of work
out in our youth called the the new breed, by Gary Chester. And
the whole idea behind the book is to play the entire book,
leading with your left or leading with your race, so you
can kind of get close to being ambidextrous. The only time I
play open hand is, is when I want to sound incredibly sloppy
and self talk.
It's kind of like handwriting with your left hand. Yeah, you
want to this left
hand is just really for just smashing gigantic bag beats,
yeah,
I have to do it when I play. Don't stop believing
that's, yeah, that's how we did, the way it's done. Oh, over
here.
Yep, exactly. It does all the other patterns with his right
hand. Pretty brilliant drum part. And it's like, it doesn't
work without it. It's very orchestral. Yeah, lot of colors,
a lot of colors. Yeah, Bell, the ride symbol.
So you're a, I mean, everybody likes Steve Smith, but who are
some of your guys
drumming guys? Yeah, ooh, I like picaro a lot.
Yeah. So you bury the beater most of the time. I don't you
pull off, even for rock,
yeah, all the time I pull Yeah. I just, I like the sound of the
big drum better, like that. Do you I bury for rock, yeah, yeah,
but no, I pull off for everything, yeah, yeah. And then
Gad, obviously, I'm a big fan of
man, it's hard to
you're a young ha guy, aren't you? Yes? Mickey curry, yeah,
yeah. Speaking of, when was it the end of two or 2019 we did a
show in Okinawa. Me and a few others of the band flew to Tokyo
just to take a few days off. Yeah, Gad was playing at the
Blue Note in Tokyo. Yamaha guy. So we got the connection. I got
to check out the Yamaha factory over there and go check out the
show.
That'd be cool. I mean, I I make no, you know, I try not to hide
it. I love Yamaha drums. Yeah, that's
what you played when you first standard.
They're just so great. The recording customs, yep,
the ones that Courtney made me sell, you know, I'm joking. She
hates it when I say that, did you have Yamaha drums that you
sold? I did. I set a stage customs, yeah, but with a 20
inch kick. But they did sound very good, yeah, but I looked,
you know, gargantuan behind them, yeah, because they're so
tiny, yeah,
the 20 inch it's been a while since I played the 20 inch kick,
yeah. What are you 2424
Yeah, I need a 26
right? I'm still a 22 guy. And
you played a 22 with Kelly and Aaron and yeah, Easton, yeah.
And
then I had with Kelly and Eastern I had a little 18 out to
the side, little remote kick too. Oh yeah.
For loops, yeah. So instead of loops being on tracks, you would
actually
them, yeah. So do that in a little side scenario, but then
they go away
when you come in on the course. That's the only problem with
that approach, right?
Yes, but, um, that could be good, right? Well, with Easton,
I controlled the track, so I would put the loop back in
during the course, so that still stayed there, but I would play
it when it wasn't there, that
is cool, yeah? Because we have, we have a lot of loops on worth
me just hanging out on the first verse. Yeah, I don't like doing
that, and so I have all sorts of role in products that I could
emulate and perform the loop live. But it's just so much
easier just to have everything going out front on Pro Tools. So
that's why I incorporate so much percussion, yeah, so I'll pick
up shakers and be like, you know, and then throw them behind
me, splat them, and I'm in because it's show biz, right?
You throw
them, huh? You just throw them behind you. Leave it at the
Johnny to catch them. Don't really do that, but sounds maybe
like, you know, throw it on the ground like the video sounds
better? Yeah. I took my shaker and I threw it on the ground
spot. Ah,
well, look at all these other folks that you played with. Man,
you you subbed for Lady a Craig Campbell, should Daisy, Josh
Turner, Ty Herndon, Trent Willman, Katrina Ellie's names
are bringing memories back. Yeah? Brian McComas, this like
late 90s, early aughts,
no artists in the aughts, yeah, yeah. And
then you've been in some house bands. You backing up folks like
Steve Cropper, legend Darius Rucker, big and rich Kip Moore,
got any favorites or interesting stories from all these brushes
with celebrities,
I will say, so this past year, the a lot of those were from a
after party on this, after the CMA Awards, yeah.
So this last year, l King was on it, and
Rob Schneider's daughter, yes, yeah. And
she was kind of added last minute, and so we got this
stuff, maybe a. Day or two before, or the tune she was
doing. And we didn't have much info or anything, but she came
in and it was awesome. Crush. She was, yeah, she was great.
She was a lot of fun saying Great. And it was just, I don't
know, I had a great time doing I mean, I always had fun doing it,
but she really kind of impressed me, because I've heard stories
of, you know, she had to drink or two, but, oh yeah, New Year's
Eve, yeah, but she was, she was pregnant, expecting, so she was
sober, and it was awesome,
you know, I guess, speaking of Vegas strip clubs, I think in
the 70s, you know, pregnant women smoke and drank, and we
still, somehow, it turned out we're fine, yeah, you
know, no post nasal drip. Speaking of a Vegas strip clubs,
as we were talking about earlier, yeah, Courtney actually
saved Rob Schneider, it at the Spearman Rhino from a falling
plate platter of shrimp. Wow,
so that Courtney's his wife. Yes, my wife. And
that is a story that
pretty cool to tell. Yeah, he kind of looked up at her because
he was, you know, blasted out of his mind, and she she saw what
was happening. She saw the waitress, I guess, tripping over
something and falling, and everything was in slow motion.
Rob was like walking in front of her, and she just instinctively
grabbed his arm and moved him out of the way, and right where
he was standing all the all the shrimp fell, oh yeah. And he
just kind of, like, looked up, like, like, in that Rob
Schneider, Fauci was like, thanks.
And Courtney was like, You're welcome. Oh
my god. Do you guys ever see that movie? The wrong Missy on
Netflix, God, he is fantastic. Do yourself a favor. I have seen
this thing probably 20 times. It never fails to amuse me. It's
Rob Schneider, David Spade, this girl and Lauren lapkis, who's
been support in so many comedies. But this is she's
she's like CO lead, and she steals the
show. She is. She plays a character that is just
monumentally, like, douche, chill, annoying, like, cringe
worthy, embarrass. You feel embarrassed.
Is this a movie or a show? Movie? Wrong? Messy. Okay, up
tonight. Yes. All right, you are welcome, because that
who's the one that good one man, oh, gosh,
Jason Siegel's in it, and he shows everything. Oh,
is that the one where he's where he's writing about Count
Dracula? Oh,
oh, what is that with it? And it's with what's her name? She's
gorgeous. Kristen Bell, Well, Kristen, well, she's in.
And then the girl from the 70s show, right? Ah,
you know her? Yes, Katherine
Heigl, no, she was in for, this is 40 and knocked up this,
oh my gosh, yeah, that 70 show.
She's, like, exotic looking. She's gorgeous. She's drop dead
gorgeous.
Yeah, totally Yeah. And she's also on The Simpsons, um, Family
Guy, Family Guy, she plays, Meg, yeah, Meg, the daughter, oh,
I wanna say Nia Vardalos, but that's not, that's not who it
is. So let's look
up Family Guy right now. Guys, we got, we got, we got, Seth
McFarlane, Mila.
Mila, yes, yeah, ding, ding, ding, yikes.
Now that is a good movie too.
She's like, Dracula musical. Dracula musical.
What the heck was the name of that movie? Well, he does a full
frontal noon in that movie,
dude, it's credible. I know, Jesus,
I don't remember that. I mean, it's the willingness to do,
can't
you can't not see it because it's like a baby's arm holding
an apple. Oh, really. Oh gosh, massive. Good for him, exactly.
Hey,
take to the internet and find out what that movie you want me
pull the picture up is. No, do you want to see? I want you to
tell me what the name of the
movie. Okay, um, your wish is my command. Yeah, man, so
Aaron Tippins, the first big marquee guy, yeah. And you're
backing this guy up. He's building bikes on stage. He is
and, and, you know you're, you know you're making your making
your your money. You're got maybe somebody helping you set
up stuff. You got three solid meals a day. You're on the bus,
you're seeing these United States. Yeah. I mean, that had
to feel good. Oh
yeah, yeah, because that's what I moved to Nashville to do. So
it took three years to get find that job, yep. So I was playing
around town and doing that whole networking thing. Did you do the
lower Broadway thing? Oh yeah, yeah. Still am, from time to
time. Well,
you go down there, yeah, with, you know, can kind of curate the
band, or like guys that you like are like,
hey, yeah, but buddies, I know. And yeah, I like playing with
guys I know. And
what are the rooms that are still kind of fun for you to
play? Because there's a corporate bars that have, like,
rolling kits
and stuff I don't, I haven't done those, yeah? But like
legends, I like AJs, which used to be the wheel,
yeah? I like Legends. Yeah, that was some of my first playing in
town. Was it? Yeah, in the window, yeah, right, with all
the passers
by, yeah? Forgetting Sarah Marshall.
Fantastic. Okay, you know, forget, forget, Forgetting Sarah
Marshall. I'm forgetting everything.
It's been happening to me a lot, dude, yeah,
have you been noticing
on you or me on you. Yes, I've
been really bad with names. Rick, oh god. Steve,
no, it's horrible. Steve, what
was the like when he first got here? He came here in 2000 Yeah,
what was like? You know, was it overwhelming, or did we prepared
for it? Or what did I do? Oh my gosh, I made the wrong decision.
I don't know what I got myself into. Was any of that crossing
the mind? That's a good
question. No, I do remember, though, at one time, like I was
working a day job with Johnny RAM. I go out at night, start
getting gigs, and the pay back then was like next to nothing,
right? So, you know, I was making lunches change, no, you
know, seven bucks an hour, you know, at the, you know, stick
company, and then playing at night for 20 some bucks. Yeah,
at the end of the week, I'm like, I'm losing money. Yeah, I
got a master's degree, and here I'm not even making enough money
to, you know, yeah, so that I remember feeling that as I call
like, how, what am I doing? But I just kept pushing forward. How
long did
it take till you felt like, Okay, I'm on to something here.
Um, well, when I got the gig with Aaron, it took a while. I
felt like it took a while, because I would just be doing a
three years
is a long time to be suffering.
Yeah, it is and but just in playing and feel like I'm going
in circles. But looking back, I'm glad I did that, because I
made a bunch of connections, and even to this day, still keeping
touch with guys I met from back then. So, so I feel like, you
know, a gig would end, I would still have something, as opposed
to just jumping into something right away. When I moved to
town, I wouldn't have gone through all that, you know,
yeah, so I'm glad I had to, kind of, course, yeah, go through the
dues. Paying is Grant is fantastic. I remember, you know,
in 1997 my first year in town, just kind of like having some,
like, really sad nights with a, you know, a spoon and some
Haagen Dazs going, like, Dude, I was, like, one of the top
drummers in Dallas, and I can't get arrested here, not making
any money. I got to work these day jobs. I was a substitute
teacher. I parked the cars. I waited tables. Did the you know,
now,
did you guys consciously avoid doing like construction? I
didn't like construction. You did not need to do it,
though. I did it for this company called manpower. It was
kind of like a staffing agent, see, and like one of the jobs I
did, I had to do a remodel on the Talbots in green hills. It
was a, it's across from the Bluebird. Okay, yeah. So, you
know, they were ripping up carpet and stuff, and, you know,
I was mostly, they kind of took a look at me, and they're like,
let him sweep and go get lunch, that kind of stuff. You know, I
wasn't, like, lifting heavy things. They
didn't give you a sledgehammer to let you go to it and do demo
No, really no. So cathartic. Yeah,
yeah. I did one job for the staffing agency where we had to
take documents, a gigantic 18 foot trailer of dust laden
ancient documents, and we had to unload them, to burn them, and
talk about my allergies, going, Oh my God, all the dust from
these documents, 40 year old documents that were being
burned. Not
crazy, no, yeah. Not fun. No,
we. I mean, there's people that this is their life. They do this
kind of work every day in and out,
yeah, but look at back, like, I was just thankful the whole
Johnny rap thing came up, and because you were in the
industry, you were meeting people. Yeah, it was a great
networking tool for me too. Yeah, you know, um, so, yeah,
very thankful.
And please tell me you got some, like, discount drama six. I did,
yeah, fantastic.
Yeah. It was actually they made the sticks in tune Tennessee,
which is south of Jackson. So we'd go there once, Tennessee
hickory, yeah, yeah. They all chopped down there, made there,
which, that doesn't happen with other stick companies. They
bring the wood in from other places. And, yeah,
that's right, yeah. I feel like pro markets, it's wood from
Tennessee.
Uh, good chance, yes, I'm not positive. Strong, chance, yeah.
And every time they kill a tree, they plant which plant, yeah,
which
is nice. They have to. It's their inventory, at least the
raw materials. Yes, do you have to do that? I mean, it will
make sense. You want it, you should, yes, gotcha. Because,
because
I have an idea for a stick company, because we need another
stick company.
I don't know if I should say it here, should I? Well,
don't I mean, I have the domain. We've talked about it before.
Oh, I got you. Yeah, you better not mention that, because
somebody will steal it.
Yeah, yeah.
We'll talk off camera.
Maybe he'll invest Yeah, maybe I. Yeah. So
you're doing tipping, yeah. And then while you're playing with
them, you get the yes, you go over to Kelly. Now, are these,
are these, like overlapping things, or there were, did some
of the guys in the band go with you? Or how did the begat,
begat, begat thing happen? So
I was playing with Aaron and loving it. Yeah, right. I don't
know. He did what 6070 shows a year and
manageable? Yeah, he seems like a good guy. Yeah, he is.
And then a buddy of mine, Dale, got hired as the MD for Kelly to
put to put the band together for Kelly, and this is right after
she did American Idol, yeah, so he wouldn't know if I would want
to do it. And at the time, I was like, I don't know, because
she's untested, right? And she had four gigs, was that all she
had? But it's all like, TV shows, yeah? So it's like, at
the very least, because with Aaron, we did, really didn't do
any TV so like, at the very least, I get that experience,
and then it may end or it may not, so I don't know. So I took
the leap and then got 11 years out of it. Yeah, I know. Yeah,
amazing.
That's really sad about Kyle Jacobs, yeah, so it was her,
were they still married at the time? Yeah, he committed
suicide. Yeah, what? Yeah. Very strange, because I would run
into him all the time, like we were, you know, super good dude
part of the community. I'd run into him at the tin roof, or I'd
see him every tin roof, or I'd see him at writers
nights, yeah, songwriter. He was dating her, or married. They're
married, yeah, really. And was he, what? Was he in the band? Or
no, he's like, a songwriter, songwriter, producer, but he'd
come on the road quite a bit, hang out now, really good dude.
Yeah. It really shocked me when I heard all that too. Were they
still married at the time? Oh my gosh. Had no idea. He said, wow,
yeah. So, I mean, you go from Aaron tip, and, you know, you've
been, you were him with him for several years, yeah. And then
let me get, I know we're going back here, but I mean, a lot of
the was that kind of, like, the first gig of, like, you know,
pinch me. I can't believe I'm, you know, it's a, it's a
formidable country name,
right? And for me, yes, and I grew up listening to country
music, and my parents had radio on all the time, so I was
familiar with a lot of his stuff. So to get to play those
live was a lot of fun, you know,
I bet was that the first instance of, like, wow, you
know, yeah, like, I star struck in a way, right? Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, and it was just kind of, because at the
time, you know, I had never done anything like that, like, Can I
do this? Like, I feel like I can, but you've been able to do
it. And, you know, just the first experience was it was
really good. He's a great dude, yeah, he's a good band, a great
band leader. And so it was just a really good first gig for me.
Yeah.
So you also, during all of this time, you know you were at, you
were you're teaching percussion as a adjunct professor at Tsu
for 15 years, you had me and thank you, to do a drum clinic,
and then now you're over at Lipscomb, and you know, it
sounds like that's an amazing, amazing program,
yeah, and Lipscomb is really growing. They just added a
performance degree, whereas before, they just had either
they have a commercial program, but either singer songwriter or
production major. So with them adding the performance degree,
it opens the door up to more.
Yeah, more. How many serious kids you got over there this
semester?
I've got 11 students, and we started a percussion ensemble as
well. Nice. Just been good. So, yeah, really enjoy it. But that,
you know, prior to this past fall, I would have, I don't,
four or five students, so it wasn't as busy. And then in the
fall, you know, I was there two and a half days a week, and then
leave that night to go out with Easton, and then be gone and
then come back. And it was just kind of non stop, which was
great, but that's why I kind of took a step back from the road
for the time being. Just
Easton, you were there a good eight years, yeah, yeah. Nearly
eight years. Yeah, yeah, man, it was good, too. I enjoyed. Gonna
be cool to be like a professor at a university. It's like, very
like, you know? It's like, you're David du Coveney or
something. And, you know what? I mean, you you pull up and you
got your elbow patches, and it's just cool, you know, do you wear
elbow patch?
I don't have any. I need to, need to step up my game. I guess
you have a monocle. I don't
twist your what do you call the timing the railroad tracks must,
yeah.
Like, I mean, is there like, a, like, a faculty cafeteria, or
anything, or do you go and you're like, it's like, not like
on the TV shows, like, nothing like, where everyone's like,
cutting up and
no, is it like community? Like, what the TV show community, I've
never seen it,
really, that's what I'm thinking. Like, Chevy Chase, you
know?
Oh, very laid back. Yeah, yeah.
I like it. Really good. Faculty there are great. And actually,
the head of the music program. Now, I went to college with
where I was getting my Master's at UT. Oh, she's. Yeah,
relationships in action. And Rob is there? Rob bias, yeah, so he
had me come in and kind of give to tell the kids the cold
hard yeah. What is
the cold hard truth? Yeah, you know,
you must be present to win. You gotta treat it like a full time
job. You gotta have a firm handshake. You gotta all the
stuff, you know,
so you can't just do it the way I want to do it. How do you want
to do it as you know, whenever I feel like it,
you try. Yeah, I am.
I mean, at the heart of it, Jim's not working out. He's a
drummer. I mean, he is, like, he does a million other things,
but, I mean, he's just, like, a great, natural drummer,
like, well, I'm going to see your show
in May, no pressure. I think, I think you're like, I don't know
the sixth drummer that we've had on that we've told about this.
It's like, Yeah, I'm gonna have, like, all these really good,
seasoned people.
I'm gonna be there. I'm gonna get they make great pizzas
there, yeah? Nice selection of wine. Just like, gonna be great.
Really make a night of it city.
Well, it's a winery, yeah, I've never been there. So you get in
with Kelly Pickler. And her first hit was, what? Red high
heel. Yeah, very good. And that was her, I remember that music
video because, I mean, she was a looker man. She was hot. And she
came from good roots. She came from North Carolina, VA, VA,
voom, right, yeah. And so, I mean, 11 years with her, I would
imagine that she's just as down to earth as,
yeah, kind of like a sister growing up. Yeah, that's really
sweet. Yeah, good showers at our had our backs and right. Was fun
to work for. Got to do a lot of cool stuff, travel wise, and
different TV shows and uso stuff overseas and, yeah, yeah. A lot,
a lot of cool experiences with her. She
had, she had, like, a full time morning show hosting gig for a
while,
yeah. XM, yeah. But it was, yeah, she did that. And that's
kind of when is that Kelly and Kelly and Billy and Ben. So she
was doing that, and that's kind of when the Easton thing popped
up. So I was like, we can't. We kept we were getting slower and
slower each year. She was doing, she did a couple of Hallmark
Christmas movies, right? So she was kind of going that
direction, which is great, but it left, you know, fewer and
fewer shows each year. So the Eastern thing popped up. And
that's kind of when I Yeah, move forward.
Now. Speaking of her getting into acting, you were sort of an
actor on the television show national, you were the drummer
for Juliet Barnes, Hayden, Panetta Harris, it was a
lot of fun. Yeah. So I played a drummer.
Go figure. How did you guys get paid? Was it a SAG thing, or is
it non union rate? Kind of a thing through the Union. It was
through the AFM,
yeah? AFM, yep. And it was great. It was a really neat
experience just to to do it. And they were pretty adamant on
making sure you're playing the right parts, yeah, yeah. And was
there like a consultant, musical consultant, that was like,
You're not crashing, the crashes when you're supposed to.
No, no, no. That was not like that, but, but it
was like, a, a, you know, the the TV heads and the TV symbols,
right? Yeah,
yeah, the world thick. So you got to, like, lay into it to
make it look like, yeah, you're hitting them, like, Star Search,
yeah. But no, they but sometimes you wouldn't get the music
because they were recording the music pretty much as the show
was being taped. So sometimes you wouldn't get the music to,
like, the day before. It was just a rough mix. So you kind
of, you know,
yeah, scribble out a chart, yeah,
did national songwriters write all the tracks for that show?
That's a good question. I'm not really sure.
I mean, it's, you can make the case. I think it sounded like
it, yeah. But I mean that it was funny. When that show first came
on, I was still working at Jack FM, and, you know, instantly I
was like, why? You know, some of the more unrealistic elements of
the show were like, hey, you know, I'm having a bad day.
Let's go down to tootsies and get a drink. I'm like, No. And
nobody that lives here, especially if they're an A list
star, oh, let's just go down the tootsies. And that doesn't
happen. Made for a good state, meet me up on the pedestrian
bridge for a little No, it doesn't. No, that doesn't
happen. Yeah, right, yeah. I don't want to sing on the opry
stage. And she just happens to walk up to the stage, and
there's a spotlight, right? I'm just gonna bask in the globe. I
mean, it is a television show. Oh, be realistic about it, for
crying out loud, stretching reality a little bit, yeah, but
stretching it like beyond. But people were
ravenous. They loved the show. Do you get a couple years out of
that? Huh? I
did, I did the first season, and then maybe one or two episodes
of season two. Did you get to hang out with Connie? Not
really. She was in a couple of scenes I did, but yeah, she's
more with the Hayden character and Chip Eston, which I didn't
realize at the time. Whose Line is it? Anyway you remember that
show? Yeah, he was on that. Charles Eston, yeah. He was
also, like, the, you know, yeah, the off. Us, yeah,
he played a couple of, a couple of episodes in season three of
the office, and
then he ended up on that television show with all the
kids, and there's, like, pirates, and they're in the
Carolinas, and they're chasing each other. It's like
a, like, a, oh, oh, Outer
Banks. He's great in Outer
Banks. I didn't see, yeah, he turned out to be, I guess, the
bad guy.
He was the bad guy, that's right, I will say he was one
too, because he played guitar. And couple of the scenes, he was
wanting to get the part down, so he would ask the guitar player
that was hired, like, Hey, am I doing this right kind of thing?
Yeah, yeah. Because he is kind of, he's a musician. He is,
yeah, but he was wanting to actually look like he was
playing it, where some probably didn't really care. But Michael
Knox, you know, Jason's producer, got called to produce
a couple of tracks for each of some of these stars on that
television show. And of course, he calls us up, and he's like,
you know, are you guys? Of course, you want to do it. But
right now we're playing a county fair somewhere in the middle of
America, so I couldn't do it. But you know, there was no
flexibility on the date. It's like,
these things happen right when you're on the road, yeah, you
know, yeah, exactly. You can
phone it in now,
hey, you went, Uh, did some uso gigs. Yeah, I love those. I did,
been to about 1919, countries. You see some interesting things.
And you definitely feel the love, because they love you
being there, exactly, entertaining them, yeah, Kuwait,
Afghanistan, Turkey, Italy, Spain, England. Let me guess the
best food was in Italy.
Ah, you're probably right, Italy
or Spain, Italy. I mean, England is, you know, well, so
for some of those, like, uh, Kuwait and Afghanistan, we were
on a base, so we were eating cafeteria food, yeah. But the
the Italy, Spain, that we were doing a Chairman's tour, which
was like, we flew over in on Air Force Two, and then it was, it
was pretty nice, yeah, yes. Um, so there we got to experience
more of the, you know, food outside of the base.
Yes, don't they source the food from local or is it shipped over
as well? That's
a great question. I should have those guys. I don't know. I
mean, those guys eat pretty well, because an army runs on
its stomach, you know. So they do feed soldiers pretty well,
yeah, general Hall, yeah. And then you'd be working out. And
we were in, like, you know, I went to, like, Dubai and
Macedonia and Croatia, and you're, like, in the middle of
some desert in a tent, and there's, like, this makeshift
gym, and you're on the stairs master. And
we was a chrome gym equipment, like, from the 80s that was
pretty relatively
new, yeah, relatively and then we landed, like, on one of those
things on the aircraft carrier, and it catches you haven't been
able to do that, and then we worked out in the bowels the gym
was in the bowels of the ship. And you're like, you were on an
aircraft carrier, yeah, the USS Kennedy, really? We dined with
the captain and everything, wow.
So you actually landed on an aircraft. How do I not know
this? Oh, man, we did all that stuff with Rush low. That's
amazing. Oh, wow, yeah, we made very little money, but we had
great experiences. It's
like, you know, saving people from shrimp at a Vegas strip
club.
Exactly right. Dude,
unbelievable. So Greg, I gotta say, if you're, if you were, are
comfortable talking about it, you got a 12 year anniversary
coming up here in a week, this Sunday, this,
yeah, here in a few days. Yeah. So to me, this
seems like it was a thing that was probably very life changing
for you. Yeah, very and just the way you frame your life and see
life, and don't you even have a clinic. Now that's kind of kind
of wrapped around some of these concepts, yeah,
yeah. So it's Yeah. So I was in a wreck driving back to
Nashville, and got rear ended by a semi truck going about 50.
They Yeah, he was going 50. How fast, and
you were, well, I was either stopped or moving slow because
there was a bed wreck on the other side of the interstate,
like fiery wreck. And then, um, what were you driving a pickup
truck? Which, oh, okay, it was about that size. But then the
bed just kind of, yeah, big old crumple zone, yeah, oh, which,
that's what it's kind of designed to do, which is great.
Was anybody in front of you? Yes. So I hit the car in front
of them, and then I think they hit the car in front but I don't
remember anything. Wow, yeah. So yeah, my truck was pretty
mangled. Oh, but yeah, so that happened, and that was up up in
the hop up in Louisville for about three weeks, hospital for
two weeks, and then a rehab hospital next door for next door
for another week, and then went back to Nashville and did a
bunch of rehab stuff. Yeah, there's a lot of rehabbing.
Yeah, that would be very trying, like, on your patients, and
emotionally difficult, because you're, you're learning how to
do everything again,
yeah, so I lost all my strength, like I. Couldn't like when I
remember bits and pieces of the stuff when I was in hospital, I
remember walking with the walker, because I couldn't just
stand up on my own. Really, just lost all the strength, yeah, so,
but it just and that just slowly, you know, got back to it
and the rehab and, you know, physical therapy and all that.
But I had a TBI as well a traumatic brain injury, so my
memory, like I remember in the rehab hospital, I'd have
breakfast, and then by the end of the day, I couldn't tell you
what I had for breakfast. Oh, wow, yeah, it's pretty wild. But
so it took a while for the memory to get back. Earlier you
mentioned that
because I was like, yeah, how do you improve your memory?
Fish oil? Pills. Yeah, yeah.
But no, there's a there's a couple apps you can do, was it?
I forget the name of it, but I did that where they like not
gains, but they'll give you
no challenges, yeah, challenges, brain challenge, yeah.
But thankfully, it got better, but it's still like to this day,
I feel like it's not as good as it used to be, but, you know, I
can still function. Yeah, you know. But yeah, so did. That
broke my neck, and that was so that, and the brain, brain
injury were the main two
biggest issues. So it was a, so it wasn't a, obviously, you're
still able to move. You're not a quadriplegic
that broke c2 which is somebody hangs themselves. That's what
goes it could sever the spine. So I'm super lucky to still be
here and then not be paralyzed, you know. So it's one
of those things. I mean, even though we brought it up earlier
with Rick Allen, yeah, similar situation, all of a sudden,
everything, you know, it's 12 years ago, so that would be 2013
you're you've got some time in, you got some success. There's a
height of a career happening. And then it's like, you know, I
got a lot of things going, and then this happens, yeah, it's
like, Oh, my God, terrifying, right?
Like, what happens if I can't
play my because we wrap our whole life in our, our, our
definition of ourselves around this sure
and to withhold the brain injury. I didn't know, I know I
could rebuild the strength, and, you know, it took a while, but I
didn't know if it would still feel the same, you know,
because, you know, I may have come back and just sound it felt
different or not, you know, yeah, sounded real stiff or, you
know, but thankfully, I was able to
to put on that kind of blue record and just, Spang, bang. A
Lang it, man, you know,
what did you sit? Do you remember what you sat down to
play the first time? I
remember sit just at a practice because I had a neck brace on
for like, three months. So I just remember sitting at a
practice pad, just taking it slow, then sitting behind a kit
and just, you know, slowly working up grooves. And just as
a lot of it was strength.
What kept you going every day? I mean, it's easy in, in the short
term, term of going day to day, it's easy to be like, I just,
you know, you got to have the will. You had to dig deep out of
it.
Yeah, a lot of it was music because I wanted to get back on
the road. I want to get back to doing it, because that was my
motivation to to get back on the road. And Kelly, at the time,
was great. And she she said, Take as long as you need. Your
job. Will be here whenever you're ready, yeah, which meant
a lot, you
know, yeah. So I would imagine salary was involved at that
point, or,
uh, no, it was a show per show, per show, yeah. But she was
super nice. And like when my family from Illinois, but they
drive over, and she took care of hotel rooms for him to stay,
yeah? And then the drumming community did a benefit, which
Rich was at, yeah, so, and all that helped, you know, yeah, so,
yeah, it was definitely, I don't recommend doing it. I mean,
what happened to the semi driver is he? Like, what
was he? What caused the x was he? Was he? I think
was just distracted from the fiery wreck. I'm assuming. I
really don't know. I've never
talked so there was a wreck already on the road, yeah, on
the other side, on the other side. Oh, he was rubbernecking,
yeah.
So I think that's why I was either going very slow or
stopped, because all the traffic was kind of slowing down.
Should do the like a get a pi attorney involved at all, or
personal injury? Yeah,
I had to just Yeah, because I had to be life flighted and, my
god, yeah, so. But I was getting bills in the mail from that
company. Yeah, because insurance doesn't cover, I had health
insurance, but only covered up to 5000 for transportation,
right? And there's like, 25 grand for that Life Flight,
yeah, and I don't remember it.
So they're, they're, they're sending you bills at least,
like, Hey, can I make, can I make payments on this? Right?
So, but, but anyway, I changed your question. Yes. I had, had
to get an attorney involved to he kind of handled all that for
me, but I had to make a payment just to kind of shut them up.
And then everything got worked out between the trucking company
and everything you know, could you at least come out? A head,
if you want to call it a head. Well, I mean, you know finance,
yes, financially, yeah. So, I mean, more than likely I'll need
another surgery down the line, because the fusion, they did
fusion c2 to c3 and it puts pressure like c3 to c4 right? So
chances are down line, I'll need another one. So yeah,
my gosh, and you got to count on that financial Yeah. So I just
again, yeah,
so I just put it all the way and act like I don't have it, and
hopefully, hopefully I don't need it for
that. Yeah, interesting. That's really smart. But the craziest
thing though, mentioning the other wreck,
so there was already an ambulance, or more than one name
is on that go into that scene. But while they were in route.
They got diverted to mine. So they were only, you know, two to
three minutes from me when my accident happened. Oh, wow,
yeah. But they got they got diverted, though, because the
people in neither wreck didn't make it. Oh, really, yeah,
wow. That's, yeah, how far so Life Flight from where to where
I was, I think maybe 40 some miles south of Louisville. And
there was a, like a local is in Hardin County, a local community
hospital there. So they took me there, but then life led me from
that hospital up to Louisville. Okay, they had a trauma center
up there. 40 miles,
$25,000
Yeah, wow, it's not cheap,
dude. Medical stuff is insane. We're in the business.
Yeah? You know,
I got a little
arthritis in my neck. It's a beautiful gift for my mom and my
dad. So I went to physical therapy today. I'm trying to
figure out ways to Sure, yeah, move forward. And not, you know,
because you do the whole, like, all the, all that stuff,
cracking, yeah, the and the foam roller, different things you do
with the foam roller and and then some bands. And you put the
bands in the door, and what are they talking
they encourage any chiropractic that kind of situation,
no chiropracting is it's like a dark art. It's like, either like
it or you don't, kind of a thing, or you believe in it, or
you don't. I don't know. I'm on the fence.
It's always worked out for me in the past. So, yeah, gotta do it
on a regular
basis. I've never, never tried, and I'm very scared now, with my
neck in any kind of a, yeah, kind of, what were
some of the challenge like, what were noticeable losses, if any,
when you finally sat back down at the drums at a gig, or maybe
in rehearsal or anything like that, where
movement like, because I was at a neck brace for three months,
so when I got it taken off, I would still like, yeah, so it
took quite a while just to get the movement back. You know, so
kind of a funny story, Jay, a bass player, one of my best
friends, I got back on the road. I probably came back sooner than
I should have, but so my movement was still kind of
limited, very limited. So we're playing this, this venue, and
then had like a balcony around us, and he's like, dude, like,
look up that. Like, check out this chick, right? Yeah, so
you did the other do the batch move. It's like, this
five year old little girl, and he's just laugh. He just did the
mess with me, but I had to do this, that whole thing, and back
around. And he's just laughing. Which day is this? Jay Weaver,
Jay Gorman. Jay Gorman, so he was with Kelly the whole time,
and then actually played with Easton for a couple years, but
we were in a band together shortly after I moved to
Nashville.
Yeah, I hadn't seen him in a very long Yeah,
but no, he's great, but no, yeah, it was kind of funny. So I
guess getting back just the mobility and movement, and it
took a while just, you know, strength wise, playing a full
show to get back to where I felt really, really comfortable
again. You know, are
you kind of a dancer when it comes to playing, you say you
dance in the seat? I'm
not. I'm no, I'm pretty great. You're
Neil. Just serious, yeah, yeah.
She takes care of business. Yeah,
I don't have a lot of extra movement or motion, I guess. But
right? You're
not doing the ridiculous things that I'm doing and making the
ridiculous
phases. I should, maybe I should. Yeah, it's,
it's painful. You do kind of rub off. You know, I find myself
dancing a lot more when I play.
Well, whatever you got to do to get that feeling in
your body movements important, yeah, but mine's not really too
exaggerated. But, yeah, you're
not, you're you're not limited. You you can, like,
work out, yeah, yeah, I still my neck will stiffen up really,
really quick, yeah? But other than that, I'm, I feel like I'm
pretty good killer. Okay, good
for you, man. Massage is very thankful. Massages. No, here's
what anybody near his neck,
nowhere, nothing, don't, don't even look at it.
Yeah, don't, don't touch.
So happy that you're no, but the Nashville community was awesome,
yeah, because I lived by myself, so my family came afterwards,
you know? Which they stayed with me at the house for a while, but
I couldn't drive for months, you know. So I'd have rise to and
from physical therapy and at Vanderbilt, yeah, and then they
did the benefit. So the support kind of going back to your
initial question, like, with the clinic stuff, I make that a part
of it, you know, yeah, how you treat people? And, you know,
build my old band director. He has a book, right? Yeah, yeah,
things you wish you knew yesterday. That's great. Ah,
man, but he so going up, I had the same band director from
fifth grade through high school, so, because it's such a small
community, but looking back, and he was, he's the reason I
pursued music, really, he's got to be very proud of you, yeah,
well, he's passed away. No, he had pancreatic cancer, but,
yeah, but he's awesome. He wrote the book, but he's the one he
like. He calls it Personal Capital to where, if you act,
you know, like a decent person, treat people with respect, show
up on time, you gain this kind of Personal Capital like you
would with money in a bank, yeah? And then, you know, you
have a good relationship with the people. And so when you need
it, like after my accident, I feel like I had a good, you
know, without really realizing what I was doing, yeah,
yeah. So they did that benefit, and just it meant a
lot, tons of me. So were you aware of your own personal
capital at that point? No.
And then so after that, to where I kind of hit me, like, wow.
Because I always, you know, I don't try to be an idiot or,
you know, he was doing what comes naturally and common
sense, yeah.
So I didn't think about it or realize it. And then he came out
with that book after my like as a while, a few years after the
accident. And then I read as like, wow, this is all stuff I
learned. I feel like he's by Mr. Miyagi, where he's teaching me
stuff where I didn't realize right at the time. Yeah, wax on,
wax off, yeah.
Did it kind of strike a nerve, yeah, really, yeah, because you
weepy, yeah, a little bit.
But no, it's, it's, uh, it
doesn't take much to get me weepy these days. No, a wee bit.
The weirdest things
you get the Clint very
easily. Thanks, Mom.
You know it's you're just, you know, more in touch with your
feelings, yeah? But I feel like
that side of things is just as important as the drum. I mean,
the drumming is obviously got to be important, but the other side
is just as important,
yeah? I mean, the drumming gives us purpose, and it allows us to,
like, you know, affect people in this lifetime. But, um,
it's, it's not everything, no, you know, and that's why I like
the teaching so much, because it's, I like to take the
approach my old band director did. And it's not just about,
you know, a rudiment Ian, you it's more about the bigger,
bigger picture, yeah. But drumming is a way to, you know,
hopefully get to them. It's
a people business. And you even, if you even go to the Music City
drum show, check those guys out in July, the you can kind of get
a sense of the community easily, you know, it's just a really
even, you know, Courtney, my wife, was there with me last
year, and she noticed it. You know, she has every reason to
not want to be there. She was helping me out, and it's just a
cacophony in that building the entire weekend. And she kind of
enjoyed it. I'm like I said, that's the greatest thing about
is that you're gonna see, you know, your Greg Bissonnette,
walking through and mingling with people and just being cool
on down to people that just want to network. And sure, you know,
dare I say network, or what do you guys call it? Such a dirty
word, I know, but what's it called? Then, um,
kibitzing, um, mingling, crashing, party networking?
Maybe, I don't know,
yeah, but I feel like the drumming community in Nashville
is very open and hospitable and accommodating. Yeah, exactly.
And
it's not like, you know, I guess you're gonna get guys,
does it exist on the surface where, hey, man, I'm really
happy. I'm so championing you, and I love the fact you got that
gig, but internally, they're going, son of a
well, I mean, I think it's a polite it's a politely
competitive city, yeah, you know, lightly competitive,
interesting, a politely competitive, you know,
you've thought about this before, yeah?
I mean, because I've been in the other music
cities, you know, yeah, you lived in LA for Yeah, how was it
there? It's nice,
but it's like, it's just, you know, it's more spread out, and
see more cutthroat. It's, it does seem a little less
friendly. Yeah, you see, I came out of Danbury, Connecticut,
which was an hour and 10 minutes out of New York City. I never
really got, went down to New York and attempted to compete on
that level. But in Danbury, I was like, one of the guys, yeah,
you know,
to play my physical therapist from Shelton, Connecticut. Yeah.
He goes, Hey, where are you from? I was like, Connecticut.
He's like, I never meet people from Connecticut. Wow, but
that's
the funny thing is, I don't think you're like to. Greg's
point about Personal Capital. I'm not sure if you're really
aware of yours rich, because you have mentioned before in some
Well, if I die, I which hope you will at some point it's going to
happen. Yeah, just who knows when? I hope people show up to
the funeral.
I have no doubt, no doubt your funeral is going to be huge.
Well, hopefully it'll be a big party. I would like, I, I you
have to take audits of these things, and you wonder that,
man, I hope I have that kind of personal capital with people,
because I'm pretty sure I can be a dick sometimes,
but we all can. Jim, yeah, well, you
the thing about easiest to deal with, yeah,
but you, I have never noticed that. I mean, what? You have
boundaries. You know, you know how to put up boundaries, and
you're not a just a people pleaser layover. No, I can, I
could. I could be a people pleaser,
but you do it. I remember you once telling me it was when we
made the made the documentary, and you said that it always
stuck with me that I will remember everybody's name
because it's music to their ears. I try, you try and make an
attempt and try to use their name, which is something that
rubbed off on me, because if there's somebody who's wearing a
name tag, I'll use their name, yeah, and it earns you, you
know, favor, you know, love it. It's like beautiful
melody to their ears. It's music. People love their name,
and they love to talk about themselves. But
you were never opposed to like you said something that was so I
don't wanna say profound, but it had a lot of weight to it,
because
you never see anything profound,
Rich. I'm gonna remember the receptionist, the second
engineer, the first engineer, the janitor, he says, because
everybody in that studio wants to move up, and at some point in
life, I want them to remember that I treated them well.
And if the if the intern forgets your ketchup on your french
fries, for, God forbid, do not light them up, because they're
just doing the best they can. Yeah, and that is not worth
ruining a potential Yeah, lifelong relationship over
ketchup, because I've seen it happen.
We both have. But you never know where that intern is going to
end up, right? You may be working for him someday, you
know, yeah, in
five years. And people don't think about that. No, they
really don't like
the the Personal Capital thing. It just all adds up. It wouldn't
and hopefully you don't need to use it
as your, as your, as your reputation precedes you, because
it does. Our reputation totally precedes us, and we can ruin it
in one second. Yeah, takes 20 years to develop it and
two seconds to get rid of it. It's so
crazy.
Yeah, I'm not sure how true that is. What do you think you're
saying? You it depends on the severity of what you did to
ruin it. I mean, you can have a bad day. Yeah, everybody's got a
bad day. But if you
No, if you're dumping on people on a regular basis,
yeah, it's not good. No, it's not good. But
Greg didn't do that. No, he's no.
But I feel like I used all of it up because everybody was so
helpful. So I feel like I want to do more to help others now,
you know, yeah,
forward, yeah, we're in kind of, like, a give back chapter of our
lives, you know, which is great it is, we need to
start a nonprofit.
Maybe I should, yeah, about what I don't know,
like, you know, a fund of sorts. Maybe that there's, there's a
cut, you know, people contribute to and whenever somebody has a
situation like yours, yeah, I
did look into that, actually. And there's always already some
set up, and it's got to be different enough to make it
like a music character, yeah, exactly. Yeah. There's
some set up through the union, some through the Opry. There's
different organizations that do that, but it's to set up like a
501, c3, has got to be different enough to make it Yeah, make
sense, right? Then
you gotta have a board, yeah?
Because I'd love to have something, something music
education related, because, as we both know, it's disappearing
in the schools. Yeah. And you and I owe our much of our our
mindset, our skill set, our direction in life, from music
education, exactly,
definitely. It was very important for me, because
growing up in a small town, I didn't have that, like a lot of
guys will have that, not through high school, like the, you know,
a lot of music opportunities, ability, you know, abilities,
and, yeah, I didn't have really anything. So when I went to
college, that was my holy cow, you know, yeah, high opening.
But I think that
just baked into your DNA, you know? And I've just met you
today, and I can always tell you're just a chill dude and
you're gonna conduct your common sense, as opposed to somebody
else's common sense. I don't I think there's a flaw. Well, it's
common sense. No, it's not. It's subjective. Sure what comments
What is common sense to you, to another person, is vastly
different. So you coming in and you know, you rich had talked
about in the documentary as well working the dream,
Jim, you're such a promo sexual
you had mentioned how you've gone into situations and have
been vibed by people sure, you know. And it's, it's, it's akin
to, like I go back to the car business, where you have a
salesperson, because I was in the car business. And there's a,
there's a cycle that happens in that business, and probably
others as well, that you enter. It's, it's, it's a place you can
make a lot of money overnight. It is truly like an overnight
success type of thing. If you just hustle and grind and get in
front of people, you can make a good amount good living, sure,
but most of those guys in that role are kind of corralled by
managers who haze you. There's a hazing element to it in probably
95% of dealerships around the country. But these guys that
enter, well, they want to either they're going to be there for a
job or see it as a career. The guys for a job, they last for
maybe a couple months, and that's probably the reason why
the managers treat them as such. But the guys that do stand out,
and guys and girls, they go up the ranks and then, well, hey,
when I get to that position, I get to treat them the way I was
treated, instead of saying, You know what, I'm gonna break the
cycle, yes, like
the fraternity, sorority thing. I mean, like I, I was in FAMU
alpha or, okay, you know, it's a professional music organization,
and you have to, when you're a pledge, you have to do all these
crazy things, yeah, hazing, Oh, totally got hazed. But
I think ultimately, with the people who are vibing that your
experience that you had, not naming names, yeah? That
happened to them.
So I'm saying, yeah, it's always like they chose most of the new
kid on the session, right? You know what? I mean, somebody's
always going to be the new kid. We were the new kid, and we
proved our worth, and we kept showing up, and then we became
the old kid. And now there's going to be some new kid on the
session, and I'm going to go right up to that kid and be
like, Hey, man, what's your name? Where are you from? So
glad you're here. Let's have some fun today. You know what I
mean? Yeah, no, totally.
Have you ever had to get really, like, tough on somebody when
they're not pulling their weight? Or,
Oh, when I was, like, teaching drum lines and, you know, in
college, like, my last year of college, well, I was, like, the
drum I was the drum line guy in my high school, right? So I had
to, yeah, come on, guys, you're late. You guys are dirty. Come
on. I told you didn't look and then, and then in college, I did
the three years on the snare drum, and in the last year, I
wrote all the book. But did you Okay? And then I had got to wear
the university crest jacket, and I just bossed everybody around.
So I had to show up and be like, get in line, guys. All right,
let's cut it off. Whoa. You know you gotta, it's you gotta be
tough, but you were
the leader that they would take a bullet for. I don't know if
you wouldn't get killed in friendly fire.
Who knows? Yeah, at that time, I might have been a little bit
more of a jerk.
Don't make me get the hammer out.
Smash some hands.
Hey, uh, Yamaha snare drums. Yeah, Anton
Fig, you get to, you get to get some of those. Like, if you'd be
like, Hey, can I get one of those Anton Fig ones with the
wood hoops? Or can I get a Steve gad commemorative blah, blah,
blah, blah, because you're, well, they don't make them
anymore, though, because they're not laying around somewhere. And
I wish I'd
known those who went away when they went away. Otherwise I
would have gotten some of those. You could
get that's a good snare drum, that Anton fake snare drum with
the wood hoops, the Paul line
drums. I did get a Paul lime five and a half,
the Akira Jimbo, the Steve Jordan, the Bucha, the Roy
Haynes. You can find
all those drums, but you're gonna pay money an arm and a leg
for Yeah, yeah.
They're just not laying around at Yamaha, and you can just walk
around be like, Hey, you gonna use that? No, I wish. What's
your go to? Are you a metal snare guy or a wood snare guy?
Uh, metal for the most part too. Yeah, got so many metal stairs,
yeah, because you can get wood tones out of a metal snare Yeah.
I've got a my go to, like, I use quite a bit. Is a six and a half
by 14 aluminum, yeah, my new recording customer,
which is kind of like a acrolite,
yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I'm a brass over copper, not a copper brass,
copper over brass, Chrome over brass, Chrome over Yeah, what's
the black beauty?
The chrome over brass, yellow over brass, but it's a DW, yeah?
Oh, it's their version, Yamaha. Hey, you've been with
the children a long time too, right? Yeah,
well, I've played them my whole life, but I was with them. It
took a while to actually get on the roster, yes, but I. Just
kept playing them. And it finally happened, I was at a
basic and Sarah, at the time, was the Artist Relations lady,
and she's like, well, let's just make this official. Bam. And we
had a rise with Kelly, and we had a show in Indy during that
time at Butler University, and then when they're performing
arts center or whatever. And so she came out to the show, and,
yeah, nice, really cool. Yeah, those are good relationships,
man. Yeah. I don't wonder
what the true cost it is to make a symbol. I've always wondered
that,
yeah, I got to go check out the factory. Like, yeah. So cool
about Yeah, there
is it a lot smaller than you realize. No,
it was like, I didn't, didn't really know what to expect, but
it's pretty good size from
a business standpoint. It makes you want to kind of wonder how
they began in the Middle East, I guess in Turkey, because they
were, they're, what, 600 years old.
Yeah, it's like one of the oldest company, companies in us,
yeah, and,
but did they stand did they start out making symbols? What
was their you know, I'm going to start a business. Well, it's
gonna be, we're gonna make, you know, flatware, and then all of
a sudden it's metal plates. Well, hey, you know, I want to
use this metal
plate on this. It's interesting. I'm sure there's some books
floating around. Yeah, I probably should know more, some
coffee table books, yeah.
But it is great. And too, I mean, and that's, they'll, if I
crack one, they'll, like, melt it down and reuse the Yes, oh,
really, yeah,
that's nice. Interesting. It's
totally nice. Man, well, that's, that's great stuff. Hey, let's
do the Fave Five. What's your favorite
color? Man, uh, probably blue.
Wow. You've gotten so many blues out of like the seven. The last
seven or eight guests have said blue. Amazing. We
probably need to come up with new questions. Okay, how about
this favorite food or dish?
Ooh, that's a tough one. I like a bunch of different foods. You
mentioned burritos earlier. I'm a big burrito fan. Yeah, me too.
Baja burrito, here is one of my favorite places. You've been
there.
Baja burrito, oh yeah, right, in Berryhill, yeah, oh god, yeah.
It's a stable. Yeah, it is, yeah. It's been quite some time.
It's like
they got the trifecta of really good restaurants in that little
area. They got salmon, Zoe's, yeah, uh, Baja.
And it works out great for all the session players in Barry
Hill. And they go there and
well, and then when the Johnny Rab office was right there,
Calypso was there, yep, oh yeah, Calypso
has been affordably feeding somewhat healthy food to
musicians for 30 years. It's pretty dang healthy, pretty dang
healthy. That chicken is really it's really good, but I like the
island burger. I always go in and like, I've never getting
Island burgers left and and they're like, one left. I'm
like, what? And
it's the same people that have been there, what makes it an
island burger? Meatless? It's
actually just a hamburger, but it's, you know, they got the
island vibe in there, so they just call it the island
burger. Oh, so it's just a burger. Just a burger. It's
really lean meat, super lean. It's
almost by it's almost bison ish, yeah. And they put a nice big
hunk of a purple onion on there. Okay, yep.
Lovely onion. If you guys are coming to town in Nashville,
make sure you visit one of those three places. You're not going
to be let down.
Yeah, we should do a roll call one time and find out who's
really listening to the show. Who are our listeners? Are you
hobbyists? Are you professionals? How old are you
would you know? Comment below? Yeah, we should do that. What's
your favorite drink of the moment?
Going through a phase,
I'm a it's probably not the healthiest drink. But like Diet
Mountain Dew is my go to
some vodka in there too. Is x Tito Yes, Tito's and Diet
Mountain Dew? Yes, that looks like glows in the dark. Awesome.
Yes,
oh, I like that, but now I'm thirsty. That's good.
This is really tough. Jim, favorite song or favorite song
of the moment?
Ooh. How about
song? A song,
it'd be, it could be because is the track is from your favorite
drummer, or it could be on your movie favorite movie score,
um, probably something off of a sting, 10 summoners. Tail. Oh,
okay, that's one of my favorite records.
Inked.
Yeah, yeah, nice. But
as far as current, though, uh, actually, the students at
Lipscomb, are you familiar with the band? Lawrence, no, check
them out. It's a brother, sister duo. It's a horn band. Lawrence,
yeah, they're awesome, yeah, but yeah, um, their new record,
their uh, song called hip replacement. It's an homage to,
what is it? Oh,
wow, yeah. You check them out. So it's, so it's in this kind of
like, you could you hear
their their song, you'll think, what is hip? And that's, yeah,
does
it have the kind of like figures like that, huh? Nice? Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Check them out there. And I've seen them live a
few times. They're amazing live. They're not local. Here are they
out of New York? City, oh yeah, NYC. But they put up on their
website. They put up their stems to their songs. What? Yeah. So
you can go solo up the drum part, you can mute it, play
along to it. Oh, wow. And there's like little yellow dots,
and you can clip, click on them. And tells you this was a
combination of program and live drums. This is what we use to
get this bass sound
like, pop up. Video, it is. It's
super cool. Wow. Check them out.
That's a very interesting thing to put out there into the world.
It is.
But they, they kind of created their that platform. Yeah, they
came up with it, wow. Kind of like,
what's that app?
Moises. Moises, that's an amazing I use that for teaching
all the time.
Yeah, I bet because you could solve things up, add clicks.
Slow
it down. Speed it up. I mean, transpose nuts. It's amazing.
That's
really nuts. How about your favorite movie?
The wrong Missy of the of the moment? Yeah,
I would say My Cousin Vinny, oh my god, yeah, you blend,
you blend, yeah, you blend.
It was so great. So
it was actually on just not too long ago, and I watched part of
it, and it's still, it still
holds up. Man, yeah, it really does. She is so cute. She was
great in that movie.
She won an award for that too, yeah?
Like when she's when she says, because this and this and this,
yeah,
great. That's great. Joe Pesci,
totally great. Hey, Jim, Don't you usually have a question? I'm
gonna switch it up. Oh, and it's kind of in line with what we've
been talking about with Rick Allen and your experience. I'll
just, I'm going to put it out there. What body part would you
not mind losing?
Wow, I did not sanction this. I
want my arms and legs for sure. I want my ears. I like to be
able to see too,
like you got to go maybe teeth or something, right? If you had
to lose
this one tooth, I could just one tooth, yeah, yeah. Back,
back molar, or something like maybe a
toe or something or maybe a pinky. Would that throw off your
balance if you're missing a toe? Depends on what
toe, yeah, I think you need all of them, but
I think a pinky would be with a small toe, yeah, maybe a nipple,
nipple. We don't, we don't need them. I mean, I got three. So
okay, you too.
I say tooth,
that's great. Buddy like it? Yeah, coming up with new stuff.
Here's, here's another good one. All right, what would you name
your boat if you had one? Oh, nice. I a
good question. I don't know.
Usually boat names have a they got to be punny. Dad joke,
exactly. Punny thing. Like, yeah,
like Dexter, slice of life.
Actually, that's, I just started getting into Dexter. I'm really
so good. I'm late to the game on that one, but
that's okay. It's you're gonna you're in for a good time. The
knot.
Naughty hooker, yeah, not,
that's a good naughty hooker, not now, like,
yeah? Like, it's a fishing boat. Naughty hooker, yeah,
I made That's what she said. I'm a big office fan. You
watch the office, that's what she said. Yeah.
Big takeaway, yeah, T shirts everywhere. World's best boss.
Yeah, yeah. What's the most uncomfortable in that, in that
series, in your opinion? What's the most? Like, you want to
watch it, but you're like, oh, this.
Michael's an idiot.
He's he's brilliant. He is brilliant. Yeah, so the dinner
party episode, right at first, I was like, that's how I was, but
now I love it. It's, it's so it's very uncomfortable, but
it's,
you know, when they put that out, NBC didn't want to, like,
they had such second thoughts about putting it out because the
spousal abuse aspect of it was so tactile that they just did
not want to, like they were really worried about it, yeah,
but it was one of their biggest episodes,
yeah. And I think it was right around where the writers strike,
too, if I'm not mistaken, right, whether I think it just they
filmed it, maybe right after they came back or something,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was, I want to say, season four, yeah, yeah, season four.
But that was the other for me. It's Scott Stotz.
Oh yeah, that, yeah, that. It's
so I don't know if I've seen every episode obvious, like it's
on in a hotel room or something. I'll check it out. But it's not
like, I can say, like, King of Queens. I have seen every
episode 1015, times friends. Every episode 20 times easy.
Yeah, I'm like that with the office. Yeah, that's,
it's like visiting old friends. It is, right, and it's still
fun. Me, it doesn't get old. They they cast it. It's like the
Marvel franchise that was, you know, the Infinity saga,
perfectly cast. They had a really good culture on set, and
you could tell, yeah, you know, yeah. And just
watching the behind the scenes, like the deleted scenes, they're
all laughing, and they still
hang out with each other, yeah,
yeah, that's great. I think it was just film somewhere in some
little soundstage in North Hollywood, and they tried their
best to, like, hide the palm trees, right? You know? Well,
it's when they do the roof shots, and it's supposed to be
in Scranton. Yeah, you see the mountains in the background.
And, yeah, Scranton is mountainous. I have
been to Scranton, yeah, so my favorite
Pennsylvanians, Greg, I am so happy that you are here with us,
and you are making a massive difference. And I'm so happy for
you, and I'm super proud of you, man, I appreciate
that. It's an honor to be a part of the show. And
oh man, I hope you had a good time. I did. Yeah,
do you listen to it? I do. You're the one. Well, I think
Isn't
there one other one? We need to do a roll call. We definitely
need to do a roll call and find out who really our listeners
are. Yeah, crazy. Oh, it's great. I like it, but it's more
of like a a talk show than a
inside the actor studio kind of, yeah.
I like, that's conversational.
It is. Yeah, these were a bunch of guys hanging out. We've tried
to
do that thing I always wanted. I mean, the whole reason to do it
is just really to shine a light on my friends. You know what I
mean? Because you guys are all have so many great stories and,
well, you've had amazing guests over the years too, which is
cool. What's your favorite one? Well, you did
bill with a QE, yeah?
Bill Gibson, yeah, he was good. Yeah, nice cat.
Yeah, 70 years old, taking drum lessons. It's amazing. Yeah,
right. Just goes to show you enjoying his walks to the
mailbox to collect his royalty checks. Yeah,
I did get to see them live. One time I drove to Tunica. They're
playing, and this is before, because they don't play anymore
because of but I drove there and then drove back that night, and
I got to meet through the friend of mine got to meet Bill and
Huey and just say thanks, you know, for, you know, the
inspiration growing up and even,
like, Hey, we're fellow Yamaha artists, you know, right? I got
see him at the skirmor horn, which was very nice, because
lakes are so great. Oh, yeah, were they playing with the with
the horns and everything? Did they play just with their horns?
Okay, yeah. How long ago was that?
That was, um, probably, like, 2017 because I remember
you took, like, a picture with Bill in the back staircase, or
you had met him, yeah, yeah,
crazy, right? Yeah. Was a power. Power played a lot, yeah,
records saving lifetimes. Yeah.
Like, apparently he
they were ready to disband, or they were just trying to find
another gig, or, and he, he appreciated their work so much
that he added them to his band, I think at some point, yeah,
it's great, great, great
body of work. It is, yeah, and that was the first record you
were intrigued by, sports, Small World Sports. Yeah. Greg Lowman,
two G's on Greg, G, R, E, G, G, l, O, H man. Greg loman.com, and
you're on the Insta for the kids, yeah,
Instagram and Facebook, yeah, yeah. I don't do a whole lot of
posting, which I probably should do more. But yeah, you know,
yeah,
reach out. I get tired of it, you know, first thing in the
morning, get that coffee. I know I gotta knock it out. Yeah, it's
always something. It's crazy. Jim, do you have fun, bud? Yeah,
just one. I like your new questions. I
love it. Just pull them out of my keys. I love
it. Hey to all the listeners. We appreciate you tuning in. Be
sure to subscribe, share, rate and review and we will be here
next time we appreciate you listening. Thanks so
much, Greg, thank you rich. Really appreciate it. Thanks.
Jim, awesome.
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