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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. It's Friday, Friday. Yeah,

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Friday is a good day. Everybody
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except me. I love working so
much. I hate the idea of taking

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a weekend. Well, don't you
only work on Sundays? And yeah,

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as a pastor the rest of the
time, I just sleep under my desk

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that I hope nobody will under my
desk. That's so funny. Yeah,

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and so all through the years I
have actually had people joke about that,

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but I've actually had people legitimately say
yeah, oh, I think a huge

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number of people go they go,
what else do you do? Yeah,

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what else do you do besides preaching
on Sunday? That's hilarious. Yeah,

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because everything that happens on the weekend
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together this morning, Hey, what
should we talk about? Well, hey,

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how do we get three hundred and
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You know, it just it just
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magically, it's so funny. Okay, So today we are starting off even

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though it's Friday. We're not doing
what made Chris mad, because we do

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and we don't. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't. That makes me

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mad. Made Jeff mad today is
that we didn't do what what made Chris

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mad this week? Well, and
last week, didn't we do what made

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Chris happy? Some dumb thing.
Oh yeah, you're right into it turned

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into Chris mad. Okay, So
today we're doing a different segment and it's

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written in as stump the pastor okay, and by the way, uh,

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what do you think we just told
everybody what's going to happen in a couple

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of days. What do you mean
because they haven't heard the episode where you

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get mad about being happy? Oh
that's hilarious. Yeah, well already played.

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It would have already. Okay,
it already played. I'm getting messed

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released. You're right, they've already
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know consider to to talk about them. So today is written by Jeremy P.

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Jeremy and Jeremy writes this now an
avid hunter, yes, meaning apparently

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he wasn't before, Yes, is
now but now an avid hunter. Yes.

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I've been raised to enjoy the outdoors
and provide for my family through nature.

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Recently, I've been wondering about whether
Jesus a red meat or if he

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was a pescatarian? Is there any
evidence confirming either? Thanks my fiance,

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my fiancee Lindsay, and I love
the show. Oh well, thank you

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Jeremy P. For saying that at
the very end. Yeah, thank you

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pescatarian? And is somebody that eats
fish and vegetables? Fish and vegetables?

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Yep? Okay, So we know
Jesus did eat fish, of course,

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and we know that Jesus did eat
vegetables. Yes, but the question is

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so hey, by the way,
I'm an avid hunter also, Jeremy,

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So way to go, so good
question, So straight to it. The

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Bible talks a lot about Jesus serving
fish, and he lived around the Sea

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of Galilee. That's going to be
the easiest and cheapest and most easily replenished

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food source for the people around the
sea galley is going to be fish.

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Yeah, because red meat was a
delicacy. It was, it was a

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privilege, it was it was usually
reserved for special occasions. And oftentimes a

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man's wealth would not be in the
coins he owned, it would be in

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the sheep and the cows he owned. Right. So you and I we've

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worked in with the Pocots in northwest
Kenya, and they don't use cash,

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right, So a goat is worth
about thirty five US dollars, a cow

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is worth about five goats. A
camel is worth about five cows, right,

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So that's that's kind of how they
and so they would trade based on

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that. So you don't want your
you don't want to eat your money,

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right, Instead, you want your
money to keep multiplying. So as long

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as they can reproduce, they typically
won't kill their animals unless it's the fatted

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calf like Jesus told the story about, or they'd be fattening one up for

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a big family party, but the
rest they would they want them producing and

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reproducing until they can't, and then
it would be after that that they would

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eat them. So a lot of
the red meat that people would have eaten

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back in Jesus day would have been
fairly tough, unless it was that fatted

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calf that was being celebrated. So
that's part of it. But what we

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do know is that Jesus wholly and
completely celebrated passover, and their requirement in

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passover is roasted lamb. Yep,
right, so at least thirty times probably,

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so he died when he was thirty
three and a half roughly, as

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we estimate. And if that's the
case, let's say the first three years

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he didn't eat any meat, but
years he ate at least one time a

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year he was eating roasted lamb.
Yeah, and we know this because it

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was required. Yeah. And then
and not only that, but then Jesus

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also, you know, usually a
pescatarian would be somebody who wouldn't condone the

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eating of red meat, whereas Jesus
actually taught parables talking about like for instance,

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in Luke fifteen, you know,
slaying the fatted calf and then compared

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it to the Kingdom of Heaven,
saying that you know, those who come

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in and don't know God, there's
rejoicing and there's banquets, and there's feasts

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and things like that, and so
he so he often you know, use

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those in his illustrations, which means
he didn't, you know, speak against

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it. Yeah, he never never
spoke derogatorially about about red meat. And

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then you know, from those teachings, then Jesus would have only eaten clean

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red meat. So Jesus probably never
had a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich.

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Right, So he'd never had a
pork, uh, Right, those

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kinds of things probably never ate.
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seafood, he would eat fish,
but he would have never eaten shrimp or

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lobster or crawfish or anything like that, clams, oysters, right, And

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that was because he was Jewish,
right, because so within their law they

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didn't eat unclean foods, and those
are in the law. And then and

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then well what God said was unclean, right. And then, but the

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clean animals would be those that chew
the cud and have a split hoof,

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so they could eat the camel,
they could eat the the cow, they

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could eat the lamb or the you
know, the sheep, whatever, the

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goat, They could eat those things. So it's the camel. Yeah,

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yeah, I don't know can they
eat camel? I don't remember if they

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eat camel? And I I did
not know that last thing that you used

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to the cut. Oh yeah,
it's a split hoof. That's that's how

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they They had to do it.
So like a pig has a split hoof

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but doesn't choose his cut, and
so they couldn't eat it. But lamb

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or a sheep has a split hoof
and choose its cut, so you can

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eat that one. Or a cow
has a split hoof, but you can't

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eat a horse doesn't have split hoof. Well, I do know camels have

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split hoofs right right, okay,
yeah, but I don't know if they

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do. They chose the cut,
Yeah they do, it's not you,

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I think. So Anyways, what
I'm trying to say is there were these

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rules, and Jesus would have followed
the rules with regard to clean and unclean

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food, and that would have been
acceptable. We know that he passover at

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least would have had to have eaten
roasted lamb. That was acceptable. But

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there's a verse in Romans chapter fourteen, where Paul says in verses two and

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three, one man's faith allows him
to eat everything. Another man whose faith

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is weak, eats only vegetables.
The man who eats everything must not look

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down on him who does not,
And the man who does not eat everything

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must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Right

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and so, even back in the
Bible times, they were arguing over whether

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or not it would be better to
only eat be a vegetarian or only a

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pescataria, or it's perfectly fine to
eat red meat. And Paul is like,

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hey, don't fight about it,
right, whatever you do doing due

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for God. God gave permission for
all the things. But if you're gonna

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give about what's better, don't don't
pass judgment on the other person. Let

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them, let them do what they
want to do on it. And so

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and so so, my snarky self
would also add into it. And yet

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the Bible clearly says that He gave
permission for all things. Even that verse

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alone says, stop griping to me
for reading red meat, right, Like,

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stop stop making fun of me for
reading red meat. Yeah, yeah,

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but he's saying that the person who's
struggling a little bit with it,

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don't don't judge them, for they're
struggling. Go ahead and let them,

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you know, take a stricter rule, and that's the strict rule is perfectly

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fine. So the more he's endorsing
the idea that people are taking a stricter

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rule as an act of worship for
God, and that's perfectly fine. Don't

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judge them. So so what he's
really saying is is the people grip that

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you just love them? Yeah,
love them anyways. Yeah, don't fight

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about it, No need to fight, no need to fight. And pass

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the catch up. That's right,
that'st the catch up, right one.

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There you go, that's great.
Matthew twenty three. Okay, so today

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Jesus is warning against the religious leaders, right, and this is very significant.

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Now in Matthew chapter twenty three,
verses one through twelve, it goes,

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then Jesus said to the crowds into
his disciples, the teachers of religious

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law and the Pharisees are the official
interpreters of the law of Moses. So

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practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don't follow their example, for

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they don't practice what they teach they
crush people with unbearable religious demands, and

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never lift a finger to ease the
burden. Everything they do is for show

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on their arms. They wear extra
wide prayer boxes with scripture verses inside,

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and they wear rows with extra long
tassels. And they love to sit at

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the head table at banquets and in
the seats of honor in the synagogues.

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And they love to receive respectful greetings
as they walk in the marketplaces, and

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to be called rabbi. Don't let
anyone call you rabbi, for you have

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only one teacher, and all of
you are equal as brothers and sisters.

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And don't address anyone here on earth
as father, for only God in Heaven

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is your spiritual father. Don't let
anyone call you teacher. You only one

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teacher, the Messiah. The greatest
among you must be a servant. But

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those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be

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exalted. The same idea in Mark
chapter twelve, verse thirty eight. Jesus

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also taught be where the teachers of
religious law, for like to prate around

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and flowing robes and receive respectful greetings
as they walk in the marketplaces, and

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how they love the seats in the
marketplace, the seats of honor in the

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synagogues, and in the head table
at banquets. Yet they shamelessly cheat widows

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out of their property and then pretend
to be pious by making long prayers in

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public. Because of this, they'll
be more severely punished. And then in

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Luke chapter twenty, verse forty five, it says, then with the crowds

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listening, he turned to his disciples
and said, be where these teachers are

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religious law for the like to parade
around in flowing robes and love to receive

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respectful greetings as they walk in the
marketplaces, and how they love the seats

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of honor in the synagogues and the
head table at banquets. Yet they shamelessly

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cheat widows out of their property and
then pretend to be pious by making long

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prayers in public. Because of this, they will be severely Yeah. Wow,

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so so you know where my mind
goes to. What am I going

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to say? Do you know what
I'm going to say? Immediately? Oh,

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you're going to be grumpy about fake
leaders? Yes, of course.

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Well, and by the way,
not not in today's day and age,

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Because I mean, I'm certainly grumpy
about those people, but I'm talking about

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just the Pharisees so in the Bible, because so many times when I gripe

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against the Pharisees, you come to
their defense in some ways and say,

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but they were trying or whatever,
And I think what happens is the tendency

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is for you to give them way
more credit than I do, right.

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And what I'm saying is like,
now, this is the example that says

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they don't deserve anything, right,
because it says it says number one,

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they don't follow their example, and
then it says they don't practice what they

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preach, they crush people, and
then he says this definitive statement, everything

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they do is for show everything right, And so that's why I give them

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no credit. So all the times
where you've swayed me into giving them credit,

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I renounce all of it. You
renounce it, I renounce it.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm
like, I'm like, they're just a

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bunch of religious manipulators. Well that's
what they thought religion was. Yes,

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they thought religion was the show,
yes, right, the piety of it.

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And that's what I'm saying. I
don't know that anybody got recruited to,

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you know, Pharisee college to be
a bad guy, right, Right.

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They were inspired in the same way
that people other people who might not

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be real followers of Christ or whatever
are inspired to go to seminary or to

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become a priest or whatever. A
lot of times it's they're inspired by the

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goodness of that to perceived good.
So you're saying that they actually, in

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their own hearts, thought that they
were trying to be good. Yeah,

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I think so, and see and
yet Jesus otherwise, why would you waste

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your time on this? Right?
It's an impressive life, but it's an

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oppressive lifestyle, right, And so
that's what I'm saying. I think they

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thought that's how you please God because
their religion was only laws. And look

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how good they were at their laws. They never saw the heart. So

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what Jesus is flipping upside down and
the people are so amazed by is God's

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looking at the heart. The heart
is what's important. He does tell them,

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go ahead and do it. They
practice and obey whatever they tell you.

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Oh, I shoot, you're saying
You're saying, you're saying that the

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idea of the heart is such a
revolutionary idea that Jesus revolutionary. Yeah,

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okay, all right, all right, right, which I did know that,

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But this is an application to the
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they thought their religion was the show. The show is the religion. So

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in other words, like, it
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widows out of their house, because
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Yeah, as long as it's within
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heart is I'm greedy. I'm not
this obeying God because right, because I'm

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not this obeying a law. Yeah, right, And you're saying in that

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way, that's right, they consider
themselves righteous, that's right, that's right.

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That's all I'm saying is so I
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I think they were bad guys.
I don't think they knew they were

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bad guys, all of them,
all right. I'm willing to receive some

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of that, yeah, But on
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the fact that it says everything they
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Jesus isn't giving them any credit none
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And he does give them a credit
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guys tithe on your mint and your
human and your table spices, which you

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should, right, but just don't
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justice and mercy. You neglect the
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neglect the most important things. Even
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whatever they tell you. H But
he's also implying just don't do what they

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do because they neglect the most important
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lifestyle matters, whether or not you're
obeying God matters, But they leave it

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at that point. Don't overlook the
fact that he says for they don't practice

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what they teach. Is that's exactly
right. Right. So that means that

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even the law that they teach,
they don't they don't follow. Yeah,

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unless it's unless you're taking it.
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a person, it's the same as
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teach because they didn't kill anybody.
But man, they walk around hate in

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their heart. They didn't sleep with
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they walk around lust in their heart
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be, which, by the way, side note, that's the reason why

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Jesus said those things right, right, And in the in the in the

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Sermon on the Mount, what he
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to say to you, let me
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lust is. What he's saying as
you think you're righteous because you didn't murder

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anybody. But I'm telling you that
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him fool, it's the same as
it's it's the same sin's yeah, it's

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the same sin, right, the
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it's hatred that leads you to that
point. Right. And what he's

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saying is you're guilty of breaking the
law. That's that's right. But Jesus

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so in this one he ends it
with and you're stealing old widow's houses,

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right, which I think he's dealing
with coveteousness there, greed, right,

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That's what he's doing is is just
because you did it legally, your heart

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is still greedy, which makes it
bad. Right. You can do the

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right thing the wrong way and it's
wrong, yeah, right, And that's

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what he's talking. I think here
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You do not do the things that
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lifestyle, because he commends them a
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very holy lives. Their heart is
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you're like white at septics. On
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pretty. Everything you do is the
right thing, but inside you're full of

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dead men's bones. You know.
I think I just, in this very

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moment, connected some dots in my
own life how I'm wired for the very

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first time in my entire life.
I just connected some dots right now in

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this moment. Wow. So it
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that. Like, you know,
like we always make a joke and say

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what makes Chris mad today, right, which is appropriate that today is Friday.

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But one of the things that I
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don't get mad for you, you
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But the reality is that it is
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So like, and my kids and
my wife will verify this all the

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time. So if I'm in a
restaurant there's bad service, I don't get

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mad because I receive bad service.
The thing that I harp on and they'll

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tell you this all the time.
I'm irate for the owner of that restaurant.

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I'm angry for the owner. I'm
like, I can't believe that that

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teenager is ruining this guy's business,
right, And that's what I do,

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is that's the way I'm wired.
I'm wired that way constantly. You're a

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champion of the people, Chris.
I don't know why, but you joke,

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but that's actually true. I'm actually, in some ways a champion.

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You are you are, thank you. Okay, So listen, reason the

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reason why that's right, The reason
why I'm so angry at the equivalence of

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Pharisees today, right, So you
because I mean, I make no I

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didn't make no apology about how much
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or they murmur they you know,
and I just and you've probably would you

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definitively say there's no one who dislikes
it more than me that you've met in

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your lifetime. Yeah, you're very
vocal about it. Yeah, and so

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but the point is is I've just
here's the dots I've connected in my life.

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I'm not necessarily mad about me because
I survived it, right, I

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could have been derailed from it,
right, you know, like all the

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people in my life could have derailed
me, sure, right, but they

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didn't. I'm mad for the damage
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I've said that before, I loud, but I've never connected that the dots

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that in the same way. The
reason why I'm so mad about it is

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not and on behalf of me.
It's it's it's the same category as what

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made Chris mad. I think I
think you did damage to you, and

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you tend to project and say if
it did damage to me, thank god

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I survived it, But it's doing
damage to others, right, And so

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I think that it's a dual thing. There's a resentment of how dumb a

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lot of that stuff was in your
life and how frustrating it was for you,

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but you navigated through it, and
then your assumption is that lots of

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others didn't, and so it's their
fault. But in my mind, and

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obviously that's true, right, A
psychologist would definitely confirm that, But in

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my mind, it's like ninety ten. Oh sure, right, so it's

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like ten percent. Yeah, there's
damage to me, but it's ninety percent,

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Like I do this for a living. I'm a pastor, right,

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and so I would say there was
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I just don't beat that drum all
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you carry it heavily, which is
fine. I think that it keeps you

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constantly making sure that, Hey,
I want to be the guy that doesn't

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just say it but lives it.
Sure, I want to be the guy

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that tries to create a place that
is more imbalanced with Jesus. Because Jesus

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say, hey, you should live
a good life. He says, practice

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and obey what they're telling you.
So he's not saying the words they say

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are bad or the system that they're
trying to manage it they're saying. He's

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saying they're taking advantage of you,
and they're hurting you because they think religion

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is the point. And what I
want is the relationship. I want the

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heart. And he also says they
crush people. Jesus says they crush people,

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And that's that's my point. My
point is is that my heart goes

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out to those who've been crushed by
the church, because there's people that are

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wounded all the time from you know, the church, and I meet people

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all the time. Oh I just
I gave up on church a long time

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ago, and I always say,
I get it right, and I get

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it. So my heart goes out
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And so then he says, he
talks about how you can kind of

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tell who they are by how they're
living their life with regard to the expectation

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for the title that you give them, what place at the party they get

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to set, what kind of recognition
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the wearing their clothes just right,
they have their verses literally on their sleeve,

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all that kind of stuff. And
he's trying to say, listen,

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any pastor that you see, any
religious leader that you see who's parading through

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the streets or walking through the lobby, and they've got this entourage around them,

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and they're wearing just the right clothes, and they're expecting you to kiss

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the ring and they're expecting you to
respect them with the right words. And

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he's like, dude, these titles
just don't matter. It doesn't matter.

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People don't need to call your rabbi. They don't need to call you a

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teacher. Let's be honest, there's
only one rabbi. Let's be honest.

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There's only one real teacher, right
right. So it's not wrong for people

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to be respectful. It's wrong for
you and me and anybody that's in a

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religious leadership role to expect somebody to
treat us any differently than just you know,

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respect as a human which is why
he said, because your servants,

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that's right, You're servants of the
people, right right, Yeah, which

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is great. Those who exalt themselves
will be humbled, but those who humble

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themselves will be exalted. Yeah,
there's that parents. That is great for

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all of us all day, every
day at school, everything. Yeah.

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And so I would just say,
because I obviously capitalize on this aspect of

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the podcast, I would just say, hey, if you're somebody out there

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who maybe you're like, I'm sort
of relating to it because I'm a person

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that's been crushed by church politics and
I stop going to church, but I

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listen to podcasts like this. I
read my Bible, I have a personal

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faith, and I would just say, hey, listen, just understand as

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long as you keep it in perspective. God is perfect, God is sinless,

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God is worthy of our service.
Right, Like the church is going

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to let you down, but it's
only because the people inside the church are

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imperfect. Right, So don't let
that keep you from God. Don't let

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it keep you from your faith.
Don't let it keep you from still believing

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in your faith just as strongly.
So survive it, get over it,

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right, Don't get over it because
those people are worthy of your forgiveness.

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Get over it because they're not defining
your faith. Right. You don't have

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to follow a bad teacher or somebody
who's self centered, but we do need

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people who are ahead of us spiritually. Find somebody, Find somebody who's a

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little further down the line than you
spiritually that you can go on this journey

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with, that you can respect and
that does show on and respect to others

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and serve other people. If you
can do that, then hey, it's

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it's way better to go together than
to go alone. Yeah, that's great,

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that's a great word. Well,
hey, that's our time, and

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so hopefully we'll see you on Monday
on the Bible guys. M