1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,770 Kevin Jeffers: And so I prepared myself 2 00:00:01,810 --> 00:00:02,900 to take my life. 3 00:00:04,310 --> 00:00:06,880 And as I was about to engage in this process that would 4 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,990 have been a termination of me, my body, I was 5 00:00:10,990 --> 00:00:12,390 yanked out of my body. 6 00:00:13,345 --> 00:00:15,705 Some part of me, some essential part was yanked 7 00:00:15,705 --> 00:00:19,455 out, and I went right into this portal of light. 8 00:00:24,505 --> 00:00:26,955 Rod Bland: My guest today is Kevin Jeffers. 9 00:00:26,955 --> 00:00:28,035 Welcome to the show, Kevin. 10 00:00:28,035 --> 00:00:28,515 How are you? 11 00:00:29,380 --> 00:00:30,000 Kevin Jeffers: Hey, Rod. 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,540 Thanks for having me be here. 13 00:00:32,485 --> 00:00:33,835 Rod Bland: Well, it's my pleasure and thanks 14 00:00:33,835 --> 00:00:35,195 for reaching out too. 15 00:00:35,195 --> 00:00:38,305 So I understand that you had an NDE some time ago and 16 00:00:38,305 --> 00:00:41,205 you've had a number of other, uh, experiences as well. 17 00:00:41,215 --> 00:00:43,555 So would you like to give us a little bit of background 18 00:00:43,695 --> 00:00:45,025 and tell us what happened? 19 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,030 Kevin Jeffers: Before I jump into the, uh, near death 20 00:00:48,030 --> 00:00:52,430 experience, I would say that I've been experiencing 21 00:00:52,430 --> 00:00:54,800 unusual things ever since I was a young child. 22 00:00:56,525 --> 00:01:01,185 And that regard, I was, uh, I would see energy forms when 23 00:01:01,185 --> 00:01:04,705 I was, I remember, I have a remembrance when I was five 24 00:01:05,215 --> 00:01:09,805 of seeing, uh, very colorful geometric forms shaping in 25 00:01:09,805 --> 00:01:12,945 front of me when I would go to sleep at night, just 26 00:01:12,955 --> 00:01:17,975 before I just, just before I went to sleep and it was 27 00:01:17,975 --> 00:01:20,615 entertaining as a five year old, just move your hands 28 00:01:20,615 --> 00:01:23,115 around and everything, all these, uh, yeah. 29 00:01:24,220 --> 00:01:28,220 Geometric shapes would take whatever form that I was, 30 00:01:28,340 --> 00:01:30,390 uh, doing with my hand. 31 00:01:31,270 --> 00:01:33,530 Then I realized that something unusual was 32 00:01:33,530 --> 00:01:35,360 going, but I didn't know that until I got older. 33 00:01:37,350 --> 00:01:38,790 You know, when you're young, you just don't 34 00:01:38,820 --> 00:01:39,820 think about these things. 35 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,410 They occur, and then that's that. 36 00:01:43,035 --> 00:01:43,225 Rod Bland: Yeah. 37 00:01:43,225 --> 00:01:45,005 You think everything's normal when you're young, don't you? 38 00:01:45,005 --> 00:01:46,485 Like it doesn't matter what it is cause you've got 39 00:01:46,485 --> 00:01:47,495 nothing to compare it to. 40 00:01:48,230 --> 00:01:49,850 Kevin Jeffers: You don't think it's not normal. 41 00:01:50,890 --> 00:01:53,330 Plus, it had the benefit of keeping me quiet so 42 00:01:53,330 --> 00:01:54,520 my mom didn't yell at me. 43 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,680 So this, this went on for a while, 44 00:01:59,710 --> 00:02:02,280 and then it's like I hit a pause. 45 00:02:02,670 --> 00:02:07,310 In seeing energy, I call it seeing energy in hindsight, 46 00:02:07,310 --> 00:02:08,590 looking back over my life. 47 00:02:08,590 --> 00:02:11,010 I said, well, definitely you were seeing energy shapes. 48 00:02:11,210 --> 00:02:12,260 You were seeing energy. 49 00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:15,860 I took a pause as I went through, uh, you 50 00:02:15,860 --> 00:02:19,090 know, elementary school, high school, and. 51 00:02:21,650 --> 00:02:22,600 it started again. 52 00:02:23,590 --> 00:02:26,470 When I was in college, I started seeing these 53 00:02:27,110 --> 00:02:29,820 forms again, but they were more articulated. 54 00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:32,730 I'd be talking to one of somebody, a friend or an 55 00:02:32,730 --> 00:02:36,400 instructor, and a massive cloud of color would 56 00:02:37,010 --> 00:02:41,870 come between us and as I experienced this more and 57 00:02:41,870 --> 00:02:44,450 more, I began to realize that the color had significance 58 00:02:44,540 --> 00:02:47,040 and meaning and was Later, I found out, well, that's 59 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,930 an aura, but in the, but at that time, I just said, wow, 60 00:02:50,930 --> 00:02:52,040 that's really a cool color. 61 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,380 And I went to art school, so I would draw all this 62 00:02:54,390 --> 00:02:56,910 stuff out and add color and do this and do that. 63 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,444 that went on, then I joined a group called the ARE, the 64 00:03:02,444 --> 00:03:05,343 Association of Research and Enlightenment out of Virginia 65 00:03:05,343 --> 00:03:07,100 Beach, the Edgar Cayce people. 66 00:03:07,780 --> 00:03:10,880 And we had, uh, meditations, weekly meditations, 67 00:03:10,970 --> 00:03:14,050 discussions about, uh, extraordinary things. 68 00:03:15,185 --> 00:03:18,895 And I met a guy who was doing past life regressions. 69 00:03:20,315 --> 00:03:23,265 Now in those days, there were no past life 70 00:03:23,265 --> 00:03:24,725 regression hypnotists. 71 00:03:26,265 --> 00:03:30,305 There were hypnotists who tried to have people 72 00:03:30,305 --> 00:03:32,325 experience a past life, but they were, they were 73 00:03:32,325 --> 00:03:33,565 very much in the minority. 74 00:03:34,365 --> 00:03:35,875 So I thought that was very interesting. 75 00:03:35,875 --> 00:03:36,545 That was good. 76 00:03:37,540 --> 00:03:40,040 And then I went to visit him, laid down on his 77 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,630 couch, and he went into his, uh, hypnotic routine, 78 00:03:44,790 --> 00:03:48,820 which in his version was a countdown backwards from 100. 79 00:03:50,350 --> 00:03:53,240 I was going 100, 99, 98, and by the time 80 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,050 I hit 92, I was gone. 81 00:03:56,970 --> 00:03:59,350 I felt myself lifting out of my body, went through 82 00:03:59,350 --> 00:04:03,290 the, his roof, the ceiling and out through the roof. 83 00:04:04,165 --> 00:04:08,505 And then fast forwarded to a location that I thought, well, 84 00:04:08,575 --> 00:04:12,175 this is just interesting, but then suddenly I was in, 85 00:04:12,735 --> 00:04:19,125 I was on a ship and the ship was full of Vikings and the 86 00:04:19,125 --> 00:04:21,995 Vikings were approaching a battle with more Vikings. 87 00:04:21,995 --> 00:04:24,225 And then you probably know from history, Vikings 88 00:04:24,225 --> 00:04:28,955 were not a, not a very sociable, nonviolent society. 89 00:04:28,955 --> 00:04:32,445 Everything was about plunder and so on and so on. 90 00:04:33,195 --> 00:04:33,975 But I was very young. 91 00:04:33,975 --> 00:04:35,355 I was about 17 years old. 92 00:04:35,355 --> 00:04:37,195 I knew that at the time I was very young and my 93 00:04:37,195 --> 00:04:40,155 brother was the captain of the ship, my current brother. 94 00:04:41,715 --> 00:04:43,405 So he sent me on top of the mast. 95 00:04:45,265 --> 00:04:46,825 Uh, he said, well, be the lookout. 96 00:04:46,825 --> 00:04:49,565 But you know, I understood that it was stay out of 97 00:04:49,565 --> 00:04:51,265 trouble and get out of the way, go up the mast, 98 00:04:52,105 --> 00:04:54,425 no one's going to split your skull up there. 99 00:04:55,545 --> 00:04:57,895 So I was watching the battle and having a great time. 100 00:04:58,095 --> 00:05:00,595 And remember, this is all in the regression. 101 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,880 And I'm experiencing this vivid, extraordinary time. 102 00:05:07,730 --> 00:05:09,370 And then I felt a thump in my chest 103 00:05:10,010 --> 00:05:10,880 and it was a spear. 104 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,310 And I looked over and I said, that's a problem and died. 105 00:05:18,020 --> 00:05:20,970 So I've always had a birthmark on my chest 106 00:05:22,230 --> 00:05:24,260 and I went to the hospital and I said, now, 107 00:05:24,260 --> 00:05:26,610 is this a birthmark or is this an indication 108 00:05:26,610 --> 00:05:27,610 of a bigger problem? 109 00:05:28,030 --> 00:05:29,950 And the doctor was very concerned because it had 110 00:05:29,950 --> 00:05:32,520 some kind of shape or color or whatever they look at. 111 00:05:33,205 --> 00:05:34,335 He said, let's take an x ray. 112 00:05:34,335 --> 00:05:36,355 And they went in and we did a male mammogram. 113 00:05:37,005 --> 00:05:38,235 In those days, it was x rays. 114 00:05:38,235 --> 00:05:40,595 There were no, there was nothing else. 115 00:05:42,545 --> 00:05:45,665 uh, he said, no, that's a birthmark. 116 00:05:47,635 --> 00:05:49,015 Don't worry, you don't have cancer. 117 00:05:49,465 --> 00:05:50,555 So I had the birthmark. 118 00:05:50,555 --> 00:05:51,315 I still have it. 119 00:05:51,645 --> 00:05:54,645 It's exactly in that spot where I recreated 120 00:05:54,645 --> 00:05:56,595 that life or experienced that life, depending 121 00:05:56,595 --> 00:05:57,345 on how you look at it. 122 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:02,495 And, uh, I use that for myself as a bit of evidence. 123 00:06:04,195 --> 00:06:07,375 That either I dreamed up this extraordinary event, 124 00:06:07,405 --> 00:06:10,305 remember it's the first time I've done this, so I was in 125 00:06:10,305 --> 00:06:13,955 a high state of doubt, and then I just kind of settled 126 00:06:13,955 --> 00:06:16,295 into it and I said, okay, well, that's a past life. 127 00:06:18,185 --> 00:06:19,805 And then I went back to see the hypnotist 128 00:06:20,065 --> 00:06:20,905 a couple of times. 129 00:06:20,905 --> 00:06:23,505 I experienced different things, different lifetimes. 130 00:06:24,515 --> 00:06:28,505 Uh, one time I went with a girlfriend and it turned out 131 00:06:28,505 --> 00:06:31,875 we had had this wild, hot relationship in the French 132 00:06:31,885 --> 00:06:32,795 period during the 1700s. 133 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:36,050 She liked that. 134 00:06:36,050 --> 00:06:40,500 I thought it was a little too much, but anyhow, this, this 135 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:41,920 would continue and continue. 136 00:06:41,980 --> 00:06:45,710 And then took a trip. 137 00:06:46,180 --> 00:06:49,240 I just felt this impulse, 18 years old, you, you don't want 138 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,480 to hang out around the house. 139 00:06:51,230 --> 00:06:56,140 So I went to Greece and I felt a strong attraction to 140 00:06:56,180 --> 00:06:58,000 Crete, the island of Crete. 141 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,850 while I was there, I looked around and saw things. 142 00:07:01,850 --> 00:07:04,240 And then I, I felt this impulse to go to this place 143 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,540 that I always knew was called. 144 00:07:06,415 --> 00:07:07,295 The Prince's Palace. 145 00:07:09,015 --> 00:07:10,965 And I didn't even know there was a Prince's Palace. 146 00:07:11,005 --> 00:07:12,975 But sure enough, I had someone, I talked to 147 00:07:12,975 --> 00:07:14,925 someone and said, yeah, it's down the road there. 148 00:07:15,425 --> 00:07:17,555 So I walked down the road, it was a couple hour walk, 149 00:07:17,605 --> 00:07:21,265 and I was walking with a friend of mine, and trying 150 00:07:21,265 --> 00:07:22,905 to figure out how I'm going to find this place. 151 00:07:22,945 --> 00:07:23,915 Because I know it's there. 152 00:07:24,545 --> 00:07:28,965 The closer I get to it, the more I become aware of having 153 00:07:28,965 --> 00:07:30,365 an affinity for that place. 154 00:07:32,865 --> 00:07:36,155 And we get to a split in the road. 155 00:07:36,215 --> 00:07:38,045 One road goes straight to the left. 156 00:07:38,045 --> 00:07:40,095 The other one is a zigzag up the mountain. 157 00:07:40,455 --> 00:07:45,015 And I just transitioned to a different place where I was 158 00:07:45,015 --> 00:07:48,325 a child in a cart driven by an ox with my grandfather. 159 00:07:49,075 --> 00:07:52,525 And we were going to the city and the city was up the hill. 160 00:07:53,034 --> 00:07:55,465 So I said to my friend, I said, let's go up the hill. 161 00:07:55,465 --> 00:07:57,015 He said, no, no, no, that's not the way. 162 00:07:57,235 --> 00:07:58,765 I said, I'll tell you what, I'll meet you there. 163 00:07:59,895 --> 00:08:02,265 So I went to this switchback road, went to the over 164 00:08:02,275 --> 00:08:04,885 the hill and there was the ruins of the city. 165 00:08:06,705 --> 00:08:10,295 And I explored it and a lot of emotions running 166 00:08:10,295 --> 00:08:11,505 through me at the time. 167 00:08:13,045 --> 00:08:16,445 And I went to the, the Queen's Chamber. 168 00:08:16,494 --> 00:08:19,465 It's there, it's made out of alabaster, it has 169 00:08:19,495 --> 00:08:22,925 some, some artwork, some frescoes up on the wall. 170 00:08:24,395 --> 00:08:29,600 And I felt very sad and I took a piece of rock And put 171 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,650 it in my backpack I wouldn't do that these days, but in 172 00:08:33,650 --> 00:08:36,190 those days, I was just 17, 18. 173 00:08:36,230 --> 00:08:37,210 I didn't know any better. 174 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:39,050 It's just a little piece, throw it in the backpack, 175 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,270 took it back home after many more months of travel through 176 00:08:43,270 --> 00:08:47,250 Turkey and experiencing these incredible memories. 177 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,950 I went back home, home was in Chicago. 178 00:08:51,780 --> 00:08:53,500 I was living with my mother at the time. 179 00:08:53,510 --> 00:08:54,380 My sister was there. 180 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,270 My brother was there. 181 00:08:55,270 --> 00:08:58,470 My sister introduced the mother of a friend of hers 182 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:59,500 who said she was a psychic. 183 00:09:01,375 --> 00:09:03,035 And I had never met a psychic. 184 00:09:03,035 --> 00:09:04,235 I didn't know what a psychic was. 185 00:09:04,235 --> 00:09:06,385 I, you know, they just like got transmissions from 186 00:09:06,425 --> 00:09:07,505 somewhere and new stuff. 187 00:09:08,545 --> 00:09:10,275 So I thought that was fascinating. 188 00:09:11,125 --> 00:09:12,754 So we're sitting, she came over. 189 00:09:12,755 --> 00:09:16,335 She wanted to speak with me because she had her, 190 00:09:16,745 --> 00:09:17,615 she had her reasons. 191 00:09:17,615 --> 00:09:18,484 I didn't know what they were. 192 00:09:18,494 --> 00:09:21,245 She said, Oh, I heard you have a rock from Greece. 193 00:09:22,495 --> 00:09:24,105 I said, yeah, I have one of those. 194 00:09:25,505 --> 00:09:27,155 So I went out and I got it and I brought it back. 195 00:09:27,155 --> 00:09:28,795 And it's this white alabaster. 196 00:09:28,795 --> 00:09:29,185 It's really a. 197 00:09:30,435 --> 00:09:32,335 Non script white stone. 198 00:09:33,905 --> 00:09:37,065 And she said, Do you mind if I do a psychometric reading? 199 00:09:38,545 --> 00:09:40,325 So I looked at her and I said, Come on, what's 200 00:09:40,325 --> 00:09:41,475 a psychometric reading? 201 00:09:42,045 --> 00:09:45,865 She said, it's when you hold a stone and it starts you 202 00:09:45,865 --> 00:09:49,135 pick up the vibrations and now it's getting strange for me. 203 00:09:49,135 --> 00:09:51,605 I mean, I could see energy, but I didn't know about 204 00:09:51,605 --> 00:09:52,675 this vibration stuff. 205 00:09:53,585 --> 00:09:56,995 So she was holding the rock and we were all quiet 206 00:09:57,035 --> 00:09:59,795 waiting for stuff to happen and stuff did happen. 207 00:10:01,350 --> 00:10:03,580 We're in the kitchen, in Chicago, they have the 208 00:10:03,580 --> 00:10:06,910 double doors because it snows a lot there, very cold. 209 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,550 The outer door opened, and it's one of these sprocket 210 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:13,850 doors that's supposed to stay closed, but it 211 00:10:14,330 --> 00:10:15,530 opened and it stayed open. 212 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,480 And then the inside door, which had been locked, 213 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:20,420 that opened up too. 214 00:10:21,464 --> 00:10:21,835 Rod Bland: Oh. 215 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:25,530 Kevin Jeffers: There were like five people in shock. 216 00:10:26,150 --> 00:10:27,430 How did that door open? 217 00:10:27,510 --> 00:10:28,800 Two doors that opened up. 218 00:10:29,845 --> 00:10:34,845 And then this cloud came in and it was just extraordinary 219 00:10:34,845 --> 00:10:36,965 because you knew a presence was in that room. 220 00:10:38,285 --> 00:10:42,055 then the psychic is kind of like concentrating. 221 00:10:43,614 --> 00:10:45,795 He said, I'm talking to her and I said, who's her? 222 00:10:46,555 --> 00:10:50,315 This woman came with the rock to ask your forgiveness. 223 00:10:51,945 --> 00:10:53,635 I said, I don't know any ghosts. 224 00:10:54,935 --> 00:10:57,135 She said, no, you had a relationship with this 225 00:10:57,185 --> 00:11:01,525 person when the prince's palace burnt down. 226 00:11:02,205 --> 00:11:04,755 of what she was responsible for the fire, you went 227 00:11:04,755 --> 00:11:05,935 to retrieve her and died. 228 00:11:07,175 --> 00:11:10,805 So she's come back to ask you for forgiveness. 229 00:11:13,445 --> 00:11:16,105 And I'm a little bit of shocked myself. 230 00:11:16,335 --> 00:11:17,725 So I said, okay, forgiven. 231 00:11:18,525 --> 00:11:19,064 Let's go. 232 00:11:19,734 --> 00:11:20,864 You know, enough is enough. 233 00:11:21,495 --> 00:11:23,995 And then suddenly this, the smell of lilac 234 00:11:24,005 --> 00:11:24,805 came into the room. 235 00:11:24,805 --> 00:11:28,155 It was incredibly dense and intense. 236 00:11:29,775 --> 00:11:31,435 And I said, okay. 237 00:11:32,435 --> 00:11:34,115 I mean, I really felt bad about this. 238 00:11:34,175 --> 00:11:36,275 If this was a true story, I said, I felt bad about it. 239 00:11:36,275 --> 00:11:37,565 I said, okay, you're forgiven. 240 00:11:37,585 --> 00:11:38,135 Let it go. 241 00:11:38,515 --> 00:11:38,825 Go. 242 00:11:40,115 --> 00:11:45,015 And then the presence went out of the room and the inside 243 00:11:45,015 --> 00:11:47,735 door slam closed and the outside door slam closed and 244 00:11:47,945 --> 00:11:51,215 we're like back to normal, except for this lilac smell. 245 00:11:53,195 --> 00:11:54,845 So I looked at everyone and I said, you know, I'm 246 00:11:54,845 --> 00:11:56,255 smelling lilacs right now. 247 00:11:56,255 --> 00:11:58,095 And they said, yeah, we can smell that too. 248 00:11:59,095 --> 00:12:00,665 There were no lilacs in the room. 249 00:12:00,685 --> 00:12:01,545 It's in the middle of the winter. 250 00:12:01,545 --> 00:12:03,464 There's no like lilac plants. 251 00:12:05,315 --> 00:12:07,125 And that smell continued in the house for 252 00:12:07,125 --> 00:12:08,215 about a week for me. 253 00:12:09,635 --> 00:12:11,815 And I would go to this place in the house, 254 00:12:12,205 --> 00:12:13,435 it would follow me. 255 00:12:13,435 --> 00:12:15,244 And then I'd go to the next one and the 256 00:12:15,245 --> 00:12:16,265 smell would follow me. 257 00:12:17,854 --> 00:12:20,255 And being young and kind of embarrassed 258 00:12:20,255 --> 00:12:20,955 about these things. 259 00:12:20,955 --> 00:12:23,724 One time I was going to the bathroom and 260 00:12:23,725 --> 00:12:24,515 the smell came in. 261 00:12:24,515 --> 00:12:28,064 I said, okay, okay, you're, forgiven. 262 00:12:28,405 --> 00:12:29,365 Everything is good. 263 00:12:30,055 --> 00:12:32,465 I want some privacy when I go to the restroom. 264 00:12:34,180 --> 00:12:36,030 Can you just go? 265 00:12:37,140 --> 00:12:40,060 And it was kind of like a sigh, and then the smell 266 00:12:40,060 --> 00:12:42,430 was gone, the presence was gone, and I never had 267 00:12:42,430 --> 00:12:43,590 that experience again. 268 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,380 So that's like a wake up call. 269 00:12:47,859 --> 00:12:50,980 This is really, real intense stuff. 270 00:12:53,830 --> 00:12:57,920 Then after that, I just started not so much hearing 271 00:12:57,979 --> 00:12:59,409 things, but knowing things. 272 00:12:59,420 --> 00:13:03,810 It was like, uh, something would run through my mind, 273 00:13:04,890 --> 00:13:07,590 and I started hearing things. 274 00:13:09,010 --> 00:13:12,700 that was interesting because, don't know, maybe at that age 275 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:13,810 everything is interesting. 276 00:13:15,130 --> 00:13:20,200 And that went on for a while, and um, The lady who I'd 277 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,380 met who did the, who was the psychic, did the psychometric 278 00:13:23,390 --> 00:13:24,700 readings, was a healer. 279 00:13:24,850 --> 00:13:26,790 A traditional healer, Christian healer. 280 00:13:28,110 --> 00:13:30,690 And she wanted to teach me how to heal, and I thought 281 00:13:30,690 --> 00:13:33,850 that was a good deal because people benefit from a healing. 282 00:13:33,850 --> 00:13:36,190 If it actually occurred, I was good for it. 283 00:13:37,020 --> 00:13:40,520 So she spent a couple of years training me on healing, inflow 284 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:46,040 of energy, using spiritual energy to heal a person. 285 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:49,270 She taught me how that worked, and then I went out and I 286 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,720 started doing that myself. 287 00:13:51,890 --> 00:13:56,890 And, um, finally just ended up giving classes. 288 00:13:57,550 --> 00:14:00,260 I think I was about 30, 31 years old and I was having a 289 00:14:00,260 --> 00:14:02,210 class with 30, 40, 50 people. 290 00:14:02,710 --> 00:14:04,760 We would talk about these kinds of things, we'd 291 00:14:04,820 --> 00:14:06,950 talk about healing, and it was all interesting. 292 00:14:07,935 --> 00:14:10,915 And until finally I just decided it was 293 00:14:10,915 --> 00:14:11,985 interfering with my life. 294 00:14:11,985 --> 00:14:13,695 So I cut the classes out and I thought that 295 00:14:13,695 --> 00:14:14,475 was the end of it. 296 00:14:14,645 --> 00:14:15,855 Well, it wasn't the end of it. 297 00:14:18,065 --> 00:14:21,315 I'm, I've always been kind of a business minded person. 298 00:14:22,194 --> 00:14:25,305 Um, I own a number of companies that I started. 299 00:14:25,505 --> 00:14:28,635 I'm inclined in that direction, but all my degrees 300 00:14:28,635 --> 00:14:32,025 are in art and sculpture and painting and drawing and 301 00:14:32,025 --> 00:14:33,095 all these kinds of things. 302 00:14:34,625 --> 00:14:37,085 So it was kind of like a balance, a big reader. 303 00:14:37,085 --> 00:14:38,704 And I started reading more and more about. 304 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:44,070 Spiritual things, psychic things, uh, the old, uh, like 305 00:14:44,070 --> 00:14:49,040 the Theosophics, Theosophical Society, Rudolf Steiner, 306 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,630 um, Andrew, Andrew Ford. 307 00:14:53,790 --> 00:14:55,650 And it was just like an accumulation of data and 308 00:14:55,650 --> 00:14:56,709 it went on and on and on. 309 00:14:58,070 --> 00:15:00,930 And then one of my businesses failed and it was 310 00:15:00,930 --> 00:15:02,010 actually my key business. 311 00:15:02,010 --> 00:15:06,340 And like overnight I was broke and I had a family and 312 00:15:06,340 --> 00:15:09,900 I had kids and I got just depressed and more depressed. 313 00:15:10,030 --> 00:15:10,650 And it was like. 314 00:15:11,635 --> 00:15:13,755 That circumstance was pointing to me and 315 00:15:13,805 --> 00:15:15,195 saying, you're a failure. 316 00:15:16,225 --> 00:15:16,995 You're terrible. 317 00:15:17,015 --> 00:15:18,205 You lost all your money. 318 00:15:18,865 --> 00:15:21,165 And I was feeling worse and worse and worse. 319 00:15:21,185 --> 00:15:25,865 And I really didn't understand the, the effects 320 00:15:25,865 --> 00:15:30,735 of depression on your self confidence and your life view. 321 00:15:32,504 --> 00:15:33,675 And I wanted to end it. 322 00:15:34,825 --> 00:15:35,925 I wanted to end my life. 323 00:15:35,975 --> 00:15:37,305 I was tired of the depression. 324 00:15:37,315 --> 00:15:39,194 It was just, it was too much. 325 00:15:40,485 --> 00:15:43,465 So I got to the point where I was going to 326 00:15:43,465 --> 00:15:45,075 end it, end my life. 327 00:15:46,335 --> 00:15:48,745 And I think when you're in a, when you're in 328 00:15:48,745 --> 00:15:51,155 that stage of depression, you're really not thinking 329 00:15:51,155 --> 00:15:52,265 things through clearly. 330 00:15:52,275 --> 00:15:54,535 You're just enough is enough. 331 00:15:54,975 --> 00:15:56,365 And I did have medication. 332 00:15:56,365 --> 00:15:58,284 We didn't know about medication at that time. 333 00:15:59,294 --> 00:16:02,195 And so I prepared myself to take my life. 334 00:16:03,605 --> 00:16:06,175 And as I was about to engage in this process that would 335 00:16:06,175 --> 00:16:10,284 have been a termination of me, my body, I was 336 00:16:10,285 --> 00:16:11,685 yanked out of my body. 337 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,000 Some part of me, some essential part was yanked 338 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,750 out, and I went right into this portal of light. 339 00:16:20,770 --> 00:16:24,980 And in those days, there were no tunnels, and there were no 340 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:27,720 entryways, and there, at least for me, there was nothing. 341 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,040 It was just a portal of light. 342 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:34,830 And I got right up and got to look inside what's on 343 00:16:34,830 --> 00:16:35,960 the other side of the light. 344 00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:40,390 And it was beautiful, colorful, vibrant. 345 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,190 were having a good time. 346 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,920 I was not having a good time, but they were 347 00:16:44,930 --> 00:16:45,670 having a good time. 348 00:16:47,025 --> 00:16:50,735 And then this bright white figure stepped 349 00:16:50,735 --> 00:16:53,555 in front of me and held up, held out her hand. 350 00:16:53,565 --> 00:16:56,744 It was, it was a she, a female, held out her hand. 351 00:16:57,585 --> 00:17:01,365 It kind of pushed me on the chest and I went slant 352 00:17:01,365 --> 00:17:02,495 right back into my body. 353 00:17:03,475 --> 00:17:07,505 Now, the interesting effect of that was the depression 354 00:17:07,505 --> 00:17:11,795 was gone, the self doubt was gone, the resolution 355 00:17:11,795 --> 00:17:13,165 to continue was there, 356 00:17:13,665 --> 00:17:15,485 and I never had that experience again. 357 00:17:16,445 --> 00:17:16,745 Rod Bland: Wow. 358 00:17:17,905 --> 00:17:20,055 Kevin Jeffers: It terminated it right there on the spot. 359 00:17:21,805 --> 00:17:23,915 So even in the worst circumstances and the most 360 00:17:23,915 --> 00:17:27,915 difficult in my business and my personal life, I never had 361 00:17:27,915 --> 00:17:29,645 that depression come back. 362 00:17:32,305 --> 00:17:36,045 Which was a relief because it's, it's not, it's not good. 363 00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:37,255 Depression is not good. 364 00:17:39,115 --> 00:17:41,815 And I have no interest in doing anything as radical 365 00:17:41,815 --> 00:17:42,865 as ending my own life. 366 00:17:42,865 --> 00:17:45,925 That just went out the door and never came back again. 367 00:17:48,135 --> 00:17:50,195 So my life went on and I just. 368 00:17:50,465 --> 00:17:56,385 The intensity of the healings and the seeing things and the 369 00:17:56,385 --> 00:17:58,665 experiencing things increased. 370 00:18:00,615 --> 00:18:03,475 And I'd be, I'd feel this impulse to go to some city 371 00:18:03,495 --> 00:18:05,005 like Rome is a good example. 372 00:18:05,545 --> 00:18:08,405 I just knew that I had died in the Colosseum as 373 00:18:08,405 --> 00:18:09,475 a, as an early Christian. 374 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,640 And I went there and I could see it all again. 375 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:15,910 I could see what had happened. 376 00:18:15,910 --> 00:18:18,320 I could see people being killed. 377 00:18:18,810 --> 00:18:21,580 I could, and then I reached the point where I saw myself 378 00:18:21,580 --> 00:18:22,920 being killed by a lion. 379 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,020 And I was with my sister, my current sister, who 380 00:18:28,020 --> 00:18:29,220 got scooped up with me. 381 00:18:30,260 --> 00:18:34,690 And she died and I died and, um, it's just all 382 00:18:34,690 --> 00:18:37,320 very, very emotional, very dramatic thing. 383 00:18:37,330 --> 00:18:40,570 But then the impulse was released when I re 384 00:18:40,570 --> 00:18:42,230 experienced the event. 385 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,200 And I've traveled all over the world many, many times, 386 00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:51,110 um, spent a lot of time in Asia, 30 some years in Asia. 387 00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:55,410 And everywhere that I would go, I'd feel this 388 00:18:55,460 --> 00:18:57,770 impulse to go was like what I would call... 389 00:18:58,645 --> 00:19:02,915 A recovery is some aspect of myself, and I didn't know 390 00:19:02,915 --> 00:19:07,125 what that was about, but now I know that when we die, we pass 391 00:19:07,195 --> 00:19:11,145 on, we leave an energy, we leave some part of ourselves 392 00:19:11,145 --> 00:19:13,275 behind in our physical bodies. 393 00:19:15,735 --> 00:19:20,115 And I would collect that missing part, and I would pull 394 00:19:20,115 --> 00:19:21,925 it back into my energy field. 395 00:19:23,175 --> 00:19:25,915 And every time I did that, the impulse to go 396 00:19:25,915 --> 00:19:27,475 that place was ended. 397 00:19:28,035 --> 00:19:33,425 But then I would feel myself more complete and I've done 398 00:19:33,435 --> 00:19:37,335 this for a long, long time, been to many places and, um, 399 00:19:38,525 --> 00:19:41,575 now I'm kind of at the end of the road and I'm realizing, 400 00:19:41,575 --> 00:19:44,005 well, I pretty much have gone everywhere I wanted to go. 401 00:19:44,005 --> 00:19:46,284 I've got a couple more places I want to go, but that's it. 402 00:19:47,595 --> 00:19:49,475 And I wrote that into the book, some of 403 00:19:49,475 --> 00:19:50,495 those experiences. 404 00:19:51,255 --> 00:19:53,625 I wrote a healing experience into the book. 405 00:19:54,885 --> 00:19:57,145 Um, initially it started out with this thing I call 406 00:19:57,155 --> 00:20:02,025 the pattern, which is, An experience of higher 407 00:20:02,025 --> 00:20:03,335 levels of consciousness. 408 00:20:05,675 --> 00:20:09,525 And it's, in a sense, somewhat boring because 409 00:20:09,525 --> 00:20:10,345 everything is good. 410 00:20:12,775 --> 00:20:14,345 The spiritual life is a good life. 411 00:20:14,385 --> 00:20:17,555 The spiritual life is an all knowing present moment of now. 412 00:20:18,555 --> 00:20:21,105 So my editor said to me, Well, Kevin, you better put in some 413 00:20:21,105 --> 00:20:22,935 of your personal experiences or people are going to read 414 00:20:22,935 --> 00:20:23,965 your book and fall asleep. 415 00:20:26,765 --> 00:20:27,525 I said, okay. 416 00:20:27,785 --> 00:20:29,835 And then remembering and writing it down was 417 00:20:29,835 --> 00:20:31,135 very difficult for me because I don't like 418 00:20:31,145 --> 00:20:32,295 talking about myself. 419 00:20:32,725 --> 00:20:33,465 I learned to. 420 00:20:34,210 --> 00:20:37,890 So I wrote down, I just went back to my notes, things 421 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:42,250 that I've experienced, meditations, energetic 422 00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:45,310 exchanges, and started putting them into the book, a couple 423 00:20:45,310 --> 00:20:46,580 of healing experiences. 424 00:20:48,190 --> 00:20:50,540 That's pretty much a rough draft of what 425 00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:52,830 I've gone through for the last 50 some years. 426 00:20:55,390 --> 00:20:58,140 Rod Bland: So I wanted to ask you about the, when you, 427 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,560 before you were planning to take your life and you 428 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,570 popped out of your body, that presence there, um, 429 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:07,310 who do you think that was? 430 00:21:07,330 --> 00:21:11,810 Was that like a, a, a guide or your higher self 431 00:21:11,810 --> 00:21:13,320 or have you got an inkling of who that might've been? 432 00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:15,860 Kevin Jeffers: I don't know. 433 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,030 I think there was, I didn't care at that point. 434 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,200 As I was out of my body and it was like, I'm 435 00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:24,460 talking with you now. 436 00:21:24,460 --> 00:21:25,370 It was that real. 437 00:21:25,710 --> 00:21:26,040 Rod Bland: Hmm. 438 00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:28,150 Kevin Jeffers: Then when this figure put their hand 439 00:21:28,150 --> 00:21:30,570 out and stopped me from entering into the light, 440 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,910 I was very disappointed. 441 00:21:32,700 --> 00:21:34,890 Very distressed about that because I liked that place. 442 00:21:35,010 --> 00:21:35,770 It was gorgeous. 443 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,620 It was like, you know, getting a first class 444 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:39,730 trip for a couple bucks. 445 00:21:41,685 --> 00:21:44,245 And, um, so no, I never identified who that was. 446 00:21:44,245 --> 00:21:45,175 I didn't have a guide. 447 00:21:45,175 --> 00:21:47,875 I didn't have like an angel next to me guiding 448 00:21:47,875 --> 00:21:48,685 me into the light. 449 00:21:48,685 --> 00:21:52,435 I just, I went, and it was just a thought 450 00:21:52,865 --> 00:21:53,725 and I was there. 451 00:21:54,985 --> 00:21:57,145 But what I did notice, and this took a while for 452 00:21:57,155 --> 00:21:59,465 me to put this together, was that when I touched 453 00:21:59,555 --> 00:22:01,705 the light, it changed me. 454 00:22:03,105 --> 00:22:05,765 The connection with that figure who touched me 455 00:22:05,775 --> 00:22:08,205 and the light changed. 456 00:22:08,865 --> 00:22:12,035 Shifted my reality to a greater understanding 457 00:22:12,035 --> 00:22:15,235 and a, and a greater awareness of energy and 458 00:22:15,435 --> 00:22:17,415 compassion and love. 459 00:22:18,074 --> 00:22:21,615 And hence the increase of the efficacy of my 460 00:22:21,615 --> 00:22:24,645 healings was because I would go into people and 461 00:22:24,655 --> 00:22:26,175 be with them and heal them. 462 00:22:27,205 --> 00:22:30,804 And I think all of that and knowing things, all of that 463 00:22:30,925 --> 00:22:33,305 was related to that experience of going into the light. 464 00:22:34,865 --> 00:22:37,145 I'd had experiences of traveling out of body 465 00:22:37,185 --> 00:22:39,345 before that, but they were more mundane. 466 00:22:40,890 --> 00:22:44,590 Just go out of the house, look around, go to this 467 00:22:44,610 --> 00:22:47,810 place, go to that place, meet some interesting souls. 468 00:22:48,910 --> 00:22:51,260 But going into the light expanded the whole game. 469 00:22:51,260 --> 00:22:54,400 It was, it was a shift into higher consciousness, a 470 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,940 higher consciousness than I had ever experienced before. 471 00:22:57,770 --> 00:23:00,139 And therefore, it's like a domino effect. 472 00:23:00,140 --> 00:23:04,050 It impacted my life for the rest of my life. 473 00:23:04,940 --> 00:23:06,450 Now I've been back many times. 474 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,970 Now I go into the light and it's not so dramatic. 475 00:23:12,540 --> 00:23:15,110 I don't have to do things to myself to get there. 476 00:23:15,410 --> 00:23:17,700 I don't have anyone stopping me from going there. 477 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,880 And it's now a deeper familiarity with the 478 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,710 light, which is spirit. 479 00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:30,470 The light is a high frequency spiritual expression. 480 00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:35,920 And I've met people that belong to my soul group, as 481 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,440 I call it, my total self. 482 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,050 And it all started with that, you know, the higher 483 00:23:43,050 --> 00:23:45,350 experience, the more impactful experience. 484 00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:48,970 Started when I went to the light, and I can't say I went 485 00:23:48,990 --> 00:23:52,110 into the light, as many people with NDE's have said, you 486 00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:55,140 know, I went into the light, I met the family, I met my 487 00:23:55,140 --> 00:23:58,720 spirit guides, they showed me what a screw up I was in life. 488 00:23:59,300 --> 00:24:00,420 No, I didn't have that. 489 00:24:01,070 --> 00:24:02,370 I just was kicked out. 490 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,190 Rod Bland: Yeah, I've spoken to a few people that kind of, 491 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:10,410 it's almost like a threshold, you know, for them, that was 492 00:24:10,410 --> 00:24:12,880 as far as they were ever going to go, was to be able to see. 493 00:24:13,220 --> 00:24:16,570 But not actually enter, and for others, you 494 00:24:16,570 --> 00:24:17,290 know, there's an entry 495 00:24:17,295 --> 00:24:20,145 Kevin Jeffers: No, it's like on Star Trek and they 496 00:24:20,295 --> 00:24:23,515 put aliens into this room and you can see through it. 497 00:24:24,295 --> 00:24:26,475 It buzzes when they touch it and they can't get out. 498 00:24:26,505 --> 00:24:30,575 There was a, there was a barrier between me now 499 00:24:30,645 --> 00:24:34,545 and me there, me here, me there, I call it. 500 00:24:35,735 --> 00:24:38,415 I differentiate between the me here and the me 501 00:24:38,455 --> 00:24:40,695 there because it's a different, it's a different 502 00:24:40,695 --> 00:24:41,755 expression of energy. 503 00:24:43,115 --> 00:24:45,895 I'm not at the point in my life and I don't, I 504 00:24:45,975 --> 00:24:47,665 have a feeling I'm never going to achieve it. 505 00:24:48,095 --> 00:24:51,385 Where I am in a constant state of spiritual reality. 506 00:24:53,055 --> 00:24:56,985 It's like a, it's like the ocean and the waves and it 507 00:24:56,985 --> 00:25:00,175 flows, it hits highs and it hits lows and it hits highs. 508 00:25:00,655 --> 00:25:03,265 And depending on how much wind there is or a storm 509 00:25:03,805 --> 00:25:05,345 affects that experience. 510 00:25:06,930 --> 00:25:09,870 Rod Bland: After your first sort of encounter with 511 00:25:09,870 --> 00:25:13,920 the light, did that impact on how effective you were 512 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,220 as a healer after that? 513 00:25:15,545 --> 00:25:16,445 Kevin Jeffers: Oh, absolutely. 514 00:25:17,705 --> 00:25:22,045 Because then I could see what I was feeling. 515 00:25:22,535 --> 00:25:24,215 I could see what I was experiencing. 516 00:25:24,215 --> 00:25:26,205 It wasn't like sticking your finger in a little 517 00:25:26,205 --> 00:25:27,945 vibrator and you know, you start buzzing. 518 00:25:28,755 --> 00:25:29,095 No. 519 00:25:29,670 --> 00:25:33,640 I was, I would see the energy, I would see 520 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,730 what was happening, and that was the difference. 521 00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:41,390 So when I would work into a healing with someone, 522 00:25:41,470 --> 00:25:44,310 I, the energy would come through me, out of my hands 523 00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:47,230 and into their body, and I could see the effect that 524 00:25:47,230 --> 00:25:49,930 it was having, or no effect. 525 00:25:50,610 --> 00:25:52,280 Not everyone can be healed. 526 00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:56,020 There are restraints on the healing process, and 527 00:25:57,250 --> 00:25:59,100 would chalk it up to karma. 528 00:25:59,630 --> 00:26:01,770 It's not your time to be healed, you're not 529 00:26:01,770 --> 00:26:02,700 allowed to be healed. 530 00:26:03,390 --> 00:26:05,290 Or you're there to learn something. 531 00:26:05,420 --> 00:26:06,550 It's all about learning. 532 00:26:08,290 --> 00:26:11,520 When I've gone back again into the light, my, and I 533 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,030 finally did find a spiritual guide, which I was relieved 534 00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:17,210 because everyone was talking about it, would look at me 535 00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:19,580 and say, what did you learn? 536 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,750 At every stage of my life, when I've encountered 537 00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:26,020 a spiritual being, the spiritual being wants to 538 00:26:26,020 --> 00:26:27,400 know, what did you learn? 539 00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:30,390 And it's, there's nothing else. 540 00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:31,510 There's no shame. 541 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,300 There's no guilt. 542 00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:33,630 There's no. 543 00:26:35,965 --> 00:26:38,905 accusation of any kind of behavior because spirit 544 00:26:38,905 --> 00:26:40,985 understands we come back and we come back and we 545 00:26:40,985 --> 00:26:44,185 come back and we are many things for the purpose of 546 00:26:44,185 --> 00:26:45,695 learning and experiencing. 547 00:26:46,235 --> 00:26:47,095 What did you learn? 548 00:26:48,855 --> 00:26:51,245 And I've talked with people that have had the NDE and 549 00:26:51,245 --> 00:26:54,675 they said that's pretty much essentially their experiences 550 00:26:55,485 --> 00:26:57,695 after all of the things that they go through in their 551 00:26:57,695 --> 00:27:01,045 heads, looking at their lives, seeing, seeing reels. 552 00:27:02,195 --> 00:27:04,725 Seeing movies of their past lives and their current 553 00:27:04,725 --> 00:27:09,875 life is that the individual or the group wants to 554 00:27:09,875 --> 00:27:10,875 know what did you learn? 555 00:27:11,735 --> 00:27:13,005 What are you bringing back to them? 556 00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:16,430 Rod Bland: So I've been reading the book, the Book of 557 00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:20,390 Ra series of books, uh, over the last couple of months. 558 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:21,760 It's, it's pretty heavy going. 559 00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:24,910 And I think it was in book three, they were 560 00:27:24,910 --> 00:27:29,070 talking about healing in particular, and that a 561 00:27:29,070 --> 00:27:34,020 healer, really is, doesn't actually do the healing. 562 00:27:34,350 --> 00:27:36,400 It's, it's kind of like an interface for somebody 563 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,720 to allow themselves to be healed, which I thought 564 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,760 was an interesting idea. 565 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,790 And what do you think about that? 566 00:27:41,745 --> 00:27:42,525 Kevin Jeffers: I totally agree. 567 00:27:43,215 --> 00:27:46,285 When we have an innate core of energy that we can 568 00:27:46,285 --> 00:27:48,375 use to do some healing. 569 00:27:49,095 --> 00:27:51,405 But it's the more, it's the more simple 570 00:27:51,415 --> 00:27:52,455 version of healing. 571 00:27:54,315 --> 00:27:56,545 I've dealt with people that have had some very 572 00:27:56,555 --> 00:27:59,905 bad life threatening experiences that I could 573 00:27:59,905 --> 00:28:02,135 feel this spiritual energy. 574 00:28:02,135 --> 00:28:03,475 I like to call it spiritual energy. 575 00:28:03,475 --> 00:28:07,375 I really can't describe it as anything else, but it's energy 576 00:28:07,385 --> 00:28:08,195 and it comes through me. 577 00:28:08,625 --> 00:28:10,425 Moving into a person and healing them. 578 00:28:11,215 --> 00:28:14,335 And I take no credit or responsibility other 579 00:28:14,335 --> 00:28:16,785 than to be the available channel for that energy. 580 00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:22,400 Rod Bland: So speaking of channeling, um, have you, 581 00:28:23,150 --> 00:28:26,640 uh, has channeling something from the other side, either 582 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,340 messages or input, has that ever occurred with you? 583 00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:32,580 Is that something that you've explored in your life? 584 00:28:36,475 --> 00:28:38,965 Kevin Jeffers: I've gotten not messages 585 00:28:38,975 --> 00:28:40,275 like we're talking now. 586 00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:42,005 Some people say, well, you know, someone was 587 00:28:42,005 --> 00:28:43,675 whispering in her and telling them things. 588 00:28:43,675 --> 00:28:44,565 No, not like that. 589 00:28:44,955 --> 00:28:45,865 I just know things. 590 00:28:47,835 --> 00:28:50,855 I see the shape of energy and the knowing of the thing. 591 00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:53,340 But I'm not being talked to. 592 00:28:53,950 --> 00:28:57,040 I'm not having some spirit lean over my 593 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,320 shoulder and whisper the secrets of the universe. 594 00:29:00,250 --> 00:29:03,170 I just know when things in my life are happening and 595 00:29:03,170 --> 00:29:05,330 I tend to know how things are going to turn out. 596 00:29:08,150 --> 00:29:09,680 It makes for some interesting betting. 597 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,340 Rod Bland: You, um, my understanding is that there 598 00:29:17,340 --> 00:29:22,400 is, everything's possibility, like there isn't, uh, and 599 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,310 there's a, there's a certain amount of momentum that gets 600 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,850 going towards Certain outcomes and the more, uh, if we talk 601 00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:33,750 about sort of outcomes for humanity, the more sort of 602 00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:36,150 momentum, the more people that are sort of behind that, 603 00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:38,480 that particular outcome, then the more likely it is 604 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,590 for it to occur, uh, rather than it being, well, this 605 00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:44,760 is actually a definite set in stone thing that occurs. 606 00:29:44,830 --> 00:29:46,530 Is that, is that how you view it as well? 607 00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:48,780 Kevin Jeffers: My view is a little bit different. 608 00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:54,790 Everything in my experience comes out of imagination. 609 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,660 If you can imagine it, you can do it because 610 00:30:01,660 --> 00:30:05,110 you have a shape and an energy to the imagination. 611 00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:07,990 And there are two things that are coupled together. 612 00:30:08,730 --> 00:30:11,930 One is the imagination, you can imagine it, and the 613 00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:13,110 other one is the intention. 614 00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:21,090 A powerful intention, guided by imagination, will help 615 00:30:21,090 --> 00:30:23,310 things occur in your life that you want to occur. 616 00:30:24,580 --> 00:30:29,200 And another example of that is that you want more money. 617 00:30:30,170 --> 00:30:31,750 You gotta pay the bills, you're broke, you don't know 618 00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:33,770 what to do, the kids are sick, you need some food. 619 00:30:35,650 --> 00:30:38,470 I've discovered that through intention, directed 620 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:41,820 intention generated or powered by the imagination 621 00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:43,620 is that I can create that. 622 00:30:45,940 --> 00:30:49,090 And I wasn't quite sure that that was reality or my wishful 623 00:30:49,090 --> 00:30:52,040 thinking, but over the years it's proved to be the reality. 624 00:30:53,540 --> 00:30:56,360 When I'm healing, I intend for healing to occur. 625 00:30:56,380 --> 00:30:59,820 When I want to have some success in a venture, I 626 00:30:59,820 --> 00:31:01,820 intend for that to occur. 627 00:31:03,420 --> 00:31:05,950 I might feel after I've gone through this 628 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,110 process of imagining and intending that it's not 629 00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:11,410 going to happen because it's not right to happen. 630 00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:15,540 The guiding principle of our experience is 631 00:31:15,540 --> 00:31:17,200 what we know as karma. 632 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,750 You're here to learn. 633 00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:21,430 You're not here to have a joyride. 634 00:31:23,195 --> 00:31:25,815 Rod Bland: Is it for some people, um, in terms 635 00:31:25,815 --> 00:31:27,895 of learning, like we come here to learn and 636 00:31:27,895 --> 00:31:29,135 I, I agree with that. 637 00:31:29,725 --> 00:31:34,715 And why is it that some people seem to have 638 00:31:34,725 --> 00:31:38,185 particularly, I don't know, brutal is the right term, 639 00:31:38,235 --> 00:31:41,405 but particularly difficult lives, whereas others seem 640 00:31:41,405 --> 00:31:43,385 to have a easier time of it. 641 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,750 Kevin Jeffers: Well, look at it this way. 642 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,280 You're an eternal spirit. 643 00:31:48,490 --> 00:31:49,250 You never die. 644 00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:50,010 You're immortal. 645 00:31:50,050 --> 00:31:52,960 And you're a spirit, which implies not having 646 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,670 one of these things. 647 00:31:55,140 --> 00:31:59,460 And you decide you want to be born, you want to experience 648 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,730 something, you want to balance the scales of karma, you want 649 00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:04,240 to contribute to society. 650 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,030 I mean, you want to do something, but then the 651 00:32:08,030 --> 00:32:14,560 deciding portion of entering into the physical life is what 652 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,850 is going to be your skill set? 653 00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:20,000 What is going to be your access to energy? 654 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:26,180 How difficult or easy is your life in relationship 655 00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:27,230 to what you need to learn? 656 00:32:29,805 --> 00:32:31,915 So some people, many, many people have a very 657 00:32:31,915 --> 00:32:34,205 difficult life, but then I step back and I look at 658 00:32:34,205 --> 00:32:37,715 what I see and I realize that they chose that life. 659 00:32:37,995 --> 00:32:40,835 They chose that level of difficulty. 660 00:32:40,835 --> 00:32:43,815 It's like when you go into the masters or the pros, 661 00:32:44,035 --> 00:32:47,715 the level of difficulty increases proportionally. 662 00:32:49,425 --> 00:32:51,505 You're not in the backyard playing baseball, you're 663 00:32:51,515 --> 00:32:52,415 in the big leagues. 664 00:32:52,415 --> 00:32:54,345 You are playing baseball with professionals. 665 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,380 It demands more skill, more attention, and 666 00:32:59,950 --> 00:33:00,690 that's what life is. 667 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,320 decide to come in with a set amount of skills 668 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,370 and energy and talent to accomplish your goals. 669 00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:12,710 And maybe you want to accomplish greater goals, but 670 00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:14,540 you have limited resources. 671 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,450 How do you accomplish a greater goal with 672 00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:18,430 limited resources? 673 00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:20,200 You stress. 674 00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:22,090 You push. 675 00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:27,340 You intend to accomplish those goals because those 676 00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:29,790 goals that you want to accomplish are built as like 677 00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:31,270 a blueprint for your life. 678 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,100 Your current life is a blueprint for 679 00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:35,600 accomplishing something. 680 00:33:37,650 --> 00:33:43,040 And maybe what you need to accomplish is to be poor or 681 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,130 to be starving in a big city or to be a victim of violence. 682 00:33:46,180 --> 00:33:47,180 That's what you need. 683 00:33:48,430 --> 00:33:50,650 And that's kind of a brutal look at people scratch 684 00:33:50,650 --> 00:33:52,320 your head and say, well, how can you say that? 685 00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:54,220 And I said, it's simple because you're 686 00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:55,110 an immortal being. 687 00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:57,550 Your soul is forever. 688 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,230 When you go into the higher, higher levels of 689 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,400 consciousness, nothing can touch you because 690 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,410 you're a creator. 691 00:34:07,030 --> 00:34:08,520 And then when you come to earth, you're not 692 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,300 a creator anymore. 693 00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,730 You've just entered into the predator world. 694 00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:14,290 You have to survive. 695 00:34:14,290 --> 00:34:17,030 You have to eat, you have to find shelter. 696 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,370 There's a lot that you have to do when you 697 00:34:20,410 --> 00:34:21,350 come to this earth. 698 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,570 And it's true of every form of consciousness. 699 00:34:24,305 --> 00:34:28,625 Whether it's an animal or a frog or a plant, even 700 00:34:28,625 --> 00:34:31,305 rocks have consciousness, but they have their own 701 00:34:31,315 --> 00:34:32,545 battles of consciousness. 702 00:34:32,615 --> 00:34:35,725 It's all about the uplift of consciousness on the 703 00:34:35,725 --> 00:34:38,985 planet earth to bring us to the next level of reality. 704 00:34:40,965 --> 00:34:48,915 We're working hand in glove with everything to accomplish 705 00:34:48,975 --> 00:34:50,775 that uplift of consciousness. 706 00:34:50,955 --> 00:34:52,555 And that's what, in my view. 707 00:34:53,205 --> 00:34:54,935 What we're going through now is a shifting in 708 00:34:54,935 --> 00:34:57,075 our realities and the uplift of consciousness. 709 00:34:57,645 --> 00:34:59,875 We're seeing a lot, a lot of crazy stuff. 710 00:35:01,515 --> 00:35:03,505 And we're also seeing a lot of good stuff. 711 00:35:04,625 --> 00:35:07,655 Then, you know, the, they did the, constantly in the news 712 00:35:07,655 --> 00:35:12,245 is this polarization that's occurring between the people 713 00:35:12,245 --> 00:35:15,415 who want to be in charge and the people who want to be left 714 00:35:15,415 --> 00:35:16,625 alone and live their lives. 715 00:35:18,945 --> 00:35:22,335 Or the rights and wrong, or the righteous and 716 00:35:22,335 --> 00:35:22,985 the not righteous. 717 00:35:24,655 --> 00:35:28,355 This polarization that I'm seeing in the world these days 718 00:35:28,415 --> 00:35:32,375 is nothing more than man's struggle to lift consciousness 719 00:35:32,865 --> 00:35:35,375 above what he came into. 720 00:35:36,755 --> 00:35:41,615 If you project yourself out, this is not surprising at all. 721 00:35:42,735 --> 00:35:45,975 But if everything is gauged and tested in the immediacy 722 00:35:45,975 --> 00:35:48,965 of your reality, your life now, It makes no sense. 723 00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:53,510 Rod Bland: Yeah, you have to take that alternative 724 00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:54,270 viewpoint, isn't it? 725 00:35:54,270 --> 00:35:56,790 Rather than sort of saying, okay, this, looking at the 726 00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:59,860 totality of your experiences this particular lifetime, 727 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,060 when you look at that in the context of, well, it's one of 728 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,060 many, many lifetimes, it does, it does take on a different 729 00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:07,260 colour, the experiences 730 00:36:07,305 --> 00:36:07,575 Kevin Jeffers: Sure. 731 00:36:07,585 --> 00:36:09,345 When you people that are suffering, you say, 732 00:36:09,345 --> 00:36:10,175 why are they suffering? 733 00:36:10,175 --> 00:36:10,995 And I'm not suffering. 734 00:36:10,995 --> 00:36:13,255 You know, it's just like, you want to suffer with them or 735 00:36:13,845 --> 00:36:16,285 have some level of compassion in their experience. 736 00:36:17,135 --> 00:36:17,815 And it makes no sense. 737 00:36:19,455 --> 00:36:22,255 Why am I, why am I sitting good and looking good? 738 00:36:22,255 --> 00:36:24,485 And they're looking bad and they're not in a good place. 739 00:36:27,645 --> 00:36:31,045 It's really, in my view, a function of what they chose to 740 00:36:31,045 --> 00:36:32,675 encounter when they were born. 741 00:36:33,285 --> 00:36:35,905 The parents, the relatives, the city. 742 00:36:35,995 --> 00:36:40,325 The social economic influences, the political 743 00:36:40,325 --> 00:36:42,815 influences, they know that this is the place they need 744 00:36:42,825 --> 00:36:46,155 to be to experience what they should experience, what 745 00:36:46,155 --> 00:36:47,425 they chose to experience. 746 00:36:48,105 --> 00:36:49,855 Then when you die, you're out of it. 747 00:36:51,755 --> 00:36:53,655 You go into the light, you're out of it. 748 00:36:53,685 --> 00:36:55,935 And then you meet all of your old buddies that have 749 00:36:55,935 --> 00:36:59,005 been around for hundreds of thousands of years and you 750 00:36:59,015 --> 00:37:02,015 hang out and have the angelic equivalent of a beer and 751 00:37:02,015 --> 00:37:03,285 talk about your experiences. 752 00:37:04,869 --> 00:37:06,459 Rod Bland: I find the, the idea of being able 753 00:37:06,459 --> 00:37:08,909 to access past lives fascinating and always have. 754 00:37:08,989 --> 00:37:11,089 I've never actually done any sort of regression myself, 755 00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:15,859 but given that we come here and the, the forgetting of our 756 00:37:16,009 --> 00:37:18,599 previous lives seems to kind of part of that experience. 757 00:37:18,969 --> 00:37:23,759 Why is it then that we do, some of us are able to recall 758 00:37:23,769 --> 00:37:25,129 what those past lives were. 759 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,789 It sort of seems like, well, why forget if we've actually 760 00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:29,649 can, can get access to that. 761 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:32,809 Kevin Jeffers: Well, that goes back to what 762 00:37:32,809 --> 00:37:33,769 I had mentioned before. 763 00:37:33,769 --> 00:37:38,159 You come in with a blank page and everyone has a 764 00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:40,859 different skill set and everyone has a different 765 00:37:40,859 --> 00:37:43,069 agenda, a different reality. 766 00:37:45,809 --> 00:37:50,329 And many people come in choosing to find 767 00:37:51,019 --> 00:37:55,509 themselves, find their spirit, find the light. 768 00:37:56,409 --> 00:37:57,419 That's their struggle. 769 00:37:57,829 --> 00:38:00,219 That's what they chose to have. 770 00:38:01,484 --> 00:38:03,574 And once again, some people come in and they've got 771 00:38:03,594 --> 00:38:05,524 all that part handled and they've got to take care 772 00:38:05,524 --> 00:38:10,344 of another part, maybe a physical handicap, maybe a, 773 00:38:10,504 --> 00:38:15,284 a mental disability, that the list goes on of things 774 00:38:15,284 --> 00:38:19,244 that are occurring in life now that are on the outside, 775 00:38:19,464 --> 00:38:21,434 horrendous, terrible. 776 00:38:24,494 --> 00:38:26,824 But an, an interesting thing is that people with 777 00:38:26,824 --> 00:38:29,524 hand, with that kind of challenges, I call them 778 00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:31,554 challenges because they're challenging themselves. 779 00:38:32,224 --> 00:38:34,644 Tend to be more open, more compassionate, more 780 00:38:34,644 --> 00:38:36,844 loving than people that have everything together. 781 00:38:38,454 --> 00:38:40,564 If I ever run across anyone who says they have it all 782 00:38:40,564 --> 00:38:44,734 together, the radar, the radar starts working over time. 783 00:38:45,154 --> 00:38:47,534 Watch that person, see what's going on there. 784 00:38:47,794 --> 00:38:49,204 Because no one has it together. 785 00:38:51,914 --> 00:38:56,534 We build our life constructing ourselves, our bodies, 786 00:38:56,534 --> 00:38:59,694 our appearances, uh, how we present ourselves. 787 00:39:00,749 --> 00:39:03,349 It's all a construct, a belief system that we 788 00:39:03,409 --> 00:39:06,419 pull into ourselves ever since we're little babies. 789 00:39:07,169 --> 00:39:10,749 What mom and dad said, and what siblings said, and 790 00:39:10,759 --> 00:39:13,609 then what the school said, and then what society says. 791 00:39:15,089 --> 00:39:16,209 We construct ourselves. 792 00:39:16,839 --> 00:39:20,109 But then when we die, when we pass, we 793 00:39:20,109 --> 00:39:21,449 release the construct. 794 00:39:22,829 --> 00:39:24,759 But what's left is the knowledge. 795 00:39:26,749 --> 00:39:30,255 Rod Bland: So for those who are wanting to explore 796 00:39:30,285 --> 00:39:32,885 their own spiritual path or get in touch with what 797 00:39:32,885 --> 00:39:34,475 their spiritual path, I'm one of those people. 798 00:39:35,095 --> 00:39:37,665 What advice do you have for those people? 799 00:39:39,135 --> 00:39:39,735 Kevin Jeffers: Don't quit. 800 00:39:44,805 --> 00:39:46,105 Rod Bland: So when you say, when you say don't 801 00:39:46,105 --> 00:39:48,085 quit, you mean like don't give up on life or don't 802 00:39:48,125 --> 00:39:50,545 give up on that, that things can actually improve 803 00:39:50,565 --> 00:39:52,125 Kevin Jeffers: Don't give up on the things that 804 00:39:52,125 --> 00:39:53,685 you feel you need to do. 805 00:39:55,755 --> 00:39:57,845 Don't give up on life because you're just going 806 00:39:57,845 --> 00:39:59,165 to be slammed back again. 807 00:40:01,865 --> 00:40:05,785 Um, many psychics have said they've talked to people 808 00:40:05,785 --> 00:40:08,615 that have committed suicide and the, and the, then the 809 00:40:08,625 --> 00:40:15,105 theme is regret and a very light spanking by spirit. 810 00:40:15,275 --> 00:40:18,495 We gave you the body, we gave you the life, we gave you the 811 00:40:18,495 --> 00:40:23,665 opportunity to be more than your impulse and you blew it. 812 00:40:25,345 --> 00:40:27,835 Now you have to go back and the game is 813 00:40:27,835 --> 00:40:28,895 going to be up for you. 814 00:40:30,690 --> 00:40:34,240 It doesn't get better, it gets worse, until you reach 815 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:37,100 that point where you're just going to live your 816 00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:39,330 life in a righteous fashion. 817 00:40:41,650 --> 00:40:44,660 And some people commit suicide for righteous reasons. 818 00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:49,000 Not everyone is, is a bad person. 819 00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:52,940 Many people suicide out of the righteousness of their life. 820 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,220 And that's more understandable than someone who just takes 821 00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:59,300 their life because things aren't going well and they're 822 00:40:59,330 --> 00:41:01,810 feeling bad about themselves or they're experiencing. 823 00:41:02,885 --> 00:41:04,605 Some level of depression or sadness. 824 00:41:04,605 --> 00:41:10,905 So I would say to people that want to, want to experience 825 00:41:10,905 --> 00:41:14,215 these things and learn these things, is that it starts 826 00:41:14,315 --> 00:41:15,925 with an interior discipline. 827 00:41:17,115 --> 00:41:19,025 And usually that looks like meditation. 828 00:41:20,725 --> 00:41:22,895 Sitting in a, I have a meditation chair. 829 00:41:22,895 --> 00:41:24,985 It's a, it's a gray colored lazy boy. 830 00:41:25,025 --> 00:41:27,685 That's where you'll pull the handle and the legs swing up. 831 00:41:27,895 --> 00:41:28,155 Rod Bland: Yep. 832 00:41:29,065 --> 00:41:30,265 Kevin Jeffers: And I've been using it for years 833 00:41:30,265 --> 00:41:31,745 and years and years. 834 00:41:35,470 --> 00:41:37,000 I would not have gone in this direction. 835 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,640 I went and the experiences I've had without that 836 00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:42,880 discipline of meditation, because that's when 837 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,120 I quiet my life. 838 00:41:44,610 --> 00:41:46,060 I quiet myself. 839 00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:50,790 I put aside my worries and concerns, and I'm available 840 00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:52,470 to the experience of spirit. 841 00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:56,100 So be available. 842 00:41:58,610 --> 00:42:02,070 I would say, this is going to sound a little strange, but... 843 00:42:02,515 --> 00:42:04,855 Pulling spirit into your life is almost 844 00:42:04,855 --> 00:42:05,855 like a beauty contest. 845 00:42:05,925 --> 00:42:06,945 You want to look good. 846 00:42:08,165 --> 00:42:09,295 You want to be attractive. 847 00:42:09,295 --> 00:42:10,405 You want to be worthy. 848 00:42:11,715 --> 00:42:14,155 Spirit will go into the open hand. 849 00:42:14,965 --> 00:42:19,475 It's not going to batter on your door usually and 850 00:42:19,475 --> 00:42:21,335 say, come on, come on, wake up, wake up, come on 851 00:42:21,335 --> 00:42:23,835 out, you know, do your, no, it doesn't work that way. 852 00:42:24,705 --> 00:42:28,125 We need to draw a spirit into our life to experience these 853 00:42:28,235 --> 00:42:30,195 incredible spiritual things. 854 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,150 And the denser we are, and I was one of those guys 855 00:42:36,190 --> 00:42:37,250 who was just very dense. 856 00:42:38,530 --> 00:42:43,010 It took a lot of shaping and reshaping and creating 857 00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:44,410 an attraction to spirit. 858 00:42:45,110 --> 00:42:47,010 And then one day it was a whisper in my ear. 859 00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:51,970 Hi, I'm here for you. 860 00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:55,790 I think I was 21, 22, something like that. 861 00:42:58,390 --> 00:43:00,330 And then that awareness just never left. 862 00:43:00,330 --> 00:43:02,490 Even in the moments where I doubted myself and 863 00:43:02,570 --> 00:43:03,810 doubted everyone around me. 864 00:43:03,825 --> 00:43:07,725 That presence never left. 865 00:43:10,855 --> 00:43:13,145 So now when I travel, I call it traveling. 866 00:43:14,195 --> 00:43:16,215 Um, that presence is with me. 867 00:43:16,495 --> 00:43:18,295 It's kind of like a guide. 868 00:43:18,945 --> 00:43:22,375 I think the term guide is very appropriate when it's 869 00:43:22,375 --> 00:43:23,715 a true spiritual guide. 870 00:43:24,655 --> 00:43:27,795 Then there's pointers on where to go. 871 00:43:30,605 --> 00:43:32,015 You're presented with a puzzle. 872 00:43:32,675 --> 00:43:34,385 And it's up to you to figure it out. 873 00:43:34,495 --> 00:43:36,165 So you looked at your guide and your guide 874 00:43:36,165 --> 00:43:38,485 said, Well, maybe you want to consider this. 875 00:43:38,485 --> 00:43:40,685 And maybe you don't want to do that. 876 00:43:40,825 --> 00:43:43,525 Well, there's kind of a, uh, tussle that goes on. 877 00:43:43,995 --> 00:43:46,565 And then finally you follow the guide and things work out. 878 00:43:49,405 --> 00:43:51,085 Rod Bland: So the guys don't tell us what to do, but 879 00:43:51,085 --> 00:43:54,185 they do help us find the answers out for ourselves. 880 00:43:55,215 --> 00:43:56,655 Kevin Jeffers: Yeah, they provide clues. 881 00:43:59,545 --> 00:44:01,775 Like that clue game where there are so many people in 882 00:44:01,775 --> 00:44:03,895 a room and someone killed somebody and they're trying 883 00:44:03,895 --> 00:44:06,035 to figure out who it is and you have to collect the clues. 884 00:44:06,605 --> 00:44:07,125 It's your life. 885 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,700 Your life is about collecting the clues to find the 886 00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:14,530 direction you need to go, and in the process, you 887 00:44:14,530 --> 00:44:17,860 expand your potentiality, expand your energetic field. 888 00:44:19,865 --> 00:44:22,655 Rod Bland: Kevin, so if people want to ask you questions, 889 00:44:22,675 --> 00:44:24,775 is, uh, is that something you'd be open to and what's 890 00:44:24,775 --> 00:44:26,395 the best way for them to get in touch with you? 891 00:44:26,395 --> 00:44:28,585 And if you've got anything, what else have you got 892 00:44:28,625 --> 00:44:30,265 going on that people 893 00:44:30,340 --> 00:44:31,670 Kevin Jeffers: Well, I have a website. 894 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:38,250 It's info at the pattern, T H E, pattern, P A 895 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,520 T T E R N, dot P U B. 896 00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:43,050 P U B is short for publisher. 897 00:44:44,670 --> 00:44:46,990 So, info at the pattern dot... 898 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,390 And then I look at all of the, I look at 899 00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:53,720 everything that comes in. 900 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,610 I have some other folks that work with me. 901 00:44:55,610 --> 00:44:56,820 They look at what's coming in. 902 00:44:57,550 --> 00:45:00,030 And we make an earnest effort to reply to questions. 903 00:45:02,845 --> 00:45:03,155 Rod Bland: Great. 904 00:45:03,785 --> 00:45:06,755 And, um, do you have any other programs or anything 905 00:45:06,755 --> 00:45:10,515 people, like if they're wanting to, you know, do 906 00:45:10,515 --> 00:45:12,335 something further or learn something further, have 907 00:45:12,335 --> 00:45:13,285 you got anything like that? 908 00:45:14,445 --> 00:45:19,355 Kevin Jeffers: No, I have a website called the pattern. 909 00:45:19,605 --> 00:45:27,005 pub and the website has podcasts, it has interviews, 910 00:45:29,235 --> 00:45:31,705 postings, things that I've written out of the book. 911 00:45:32,735 --> 00:45:36,965 And from my point of view, it's interesting because when 912 00:45:36,965 --> 00:45:39,305 I was writing that book 30 years ago that I culminated 913 00:45:39,505 --> 00:45:43,055 in publishing it last year, A lot of the times I didn't even 914 00:45:43,055 --> 00:45:44,195 understand what I was writing. 915 00:45:48,415 --> 00:45:50,275 I do now, mostly. 916 00:45:52,375 --> 00:45:54,075 Rod Bland: Was it the act of writing it out actually 917 00:45:54,075 --> 00:45:54,885 helped you understand it? 918 00:45:54,915 --> 00:45:55,485 Is that what you mean? 919 00:45:56,445 --> 00:45:58,575 Kevin Jeffers: Yeah, some of it was like a 920 00:45:58,755 --> 00:46:02,175 transmission that it would almost unconscious. 921 00:46:02,265 --> 00:46:04,965 I would sit down and I would write or they didn't have 922 00:46:04,965 --> 00:46:07,225 computers in those days, so everything was typewritten. 923 00:46:07,655 --> 00:46:10,615 But still now I've trained myself to be receptive to a 924 00:46:10,635 --> 00:46:13,665 communication and that I get my telephone out and I go to 925 00:46:14,165 --> 00:46:16,065 messages, you know, dictation. 926 00:46:16,215 --> 00:46:16,875 I dictate it. 927 00:46:16,895 --> 00:46:19,415 I wish I'd had that 30 years ago, man. 928 00:46:21,985 --> 00:46:23,405 Rod Bland: I can't remember the name of the author. 929 00:46:23,435 --> 00:46:25,465 It was, uh, he wrote The War of Art. 930 00:46:25,605 --> 00:46:27,315 I think it was like the reverse of The Art of War. 931 00:46:27,365 --> 00:46:28,055 The War of Art. 932 00:46:28,105 --> 00:46:28,195 Kevin Jeffers: hmm. 933 00:46:28,195 --> 00:46:28,575 Trans do. 934 00:46:28,845 --> 00:46:29,175 Yeah. 935 00:46:29,355 --> 00:46:31,875 Rod Bland: Yeah, I forget what, um, but he was an 936 00:46:31,885 --> 00:46:34,535 author who wrote this book and, and in his view, 937 00:46:34,715 --> 00:46:36,535 that was what writing was. 938 00:46:36,575 --> 00:46:40,385 It was, it was really didn't come from him. 939 00:46:40,385 --> 00:46:42,105 He kind of like was a conduit for what it 940 00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:43,405 was he was writing. 941 00:46:44,405 --> 00:46:46,245 Kevin Jeffers: when you're available as a conduit, 942 00:46:46,245 --> 00:46:48,835 it's a heck of a lot more interesting than if it's 943 00:46:48,835 --> 00:46:52,155 coming from here, but when it's coming in through here, 944 00:46:52,195 --> 00:46:53,125 it gets really interesting. 945 00:46:53,595 --> 00:46:53,975 Rod Bland: Hmm. 946 00:46:54,185 --> 00:46:54,495 Hmm. 947 00:46:54,815 --> 00:46:57,385 Kevin Jeffers: Because you're really not blocking 948 00:46:57,385 --> 00:46:58,635 anything at that point. 949 00:46:58,775 --> 00:46:59,565 You're available. 950 00:46:59,565 --> 00:47:03,445 It's just transmissions or messages, they come in because 951 00:47:03,445 --> 00:47:04,305 you're not blocking it. 952 00:47:05,610 --> 00:47:07,030 when you're sitting there with a piece of paper in 953 00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:09,240 front of you and you try to remember a conversation 954 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:13,230 or create a dialogue or some kind of action, it 955 00:47:13,230 --> 00:47:14,150 can be very difficult. 956 00:47:15,215 --> 00:47:15,575 Rod Bland: Yeah. 957 00:47:16,580 --> 00:47:19,410 Uh, Steven, Steven Pressman was the one I was thinking of. 958 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:20,520 That was the author. 959 00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:24,560 Yeah, he was, he was writing about his experience of 960 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,300 writing and how he went like 20, 30, he was a very, very 961 00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:30,470 successful author now, but he went through a space of 962 00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:31,970 25 years where he was just... 963 00:47:32,430 --> 00:47:33,040 Hopeless. 964 00:47:33,070 --> 00:47:35,890 And, and finally he's going to kind of realize, 965 00:47:35,890 --> 00:47:38,390 well, to stop trying to produce it, just allow it 966 00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:39,580 to sort of flow through. 967 00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:41,570 So I try to, I try to, I've always 968 00:47:41,570 --> 00:47:42,280 remembered that message. 969 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,370 And it's something I always, I try not to prepare too 970 00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:46,600 much or try to sort of control things too much. 971 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,260 Just kind of let them flow. 972 00:47:48,260 --> 00:47:50,860 It doesn't always work, but yeah, I'll find it's 973 00:47:50,905 --> 00:47:52,585 Kevin Jeffers: it probably works sometimes 974 00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:53,480 Rod Bland: Oh yeah. 975 00:47:53,515 --> 00:47:55,215 Kevin Jeffers: it's probably more interesting than if 976 00:47:55,215 --> 00:47:56,305 you were making it up. 977 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:56,980 Rod Bland: Yeah. 978 00:47:57,310 --> 00:48:00,070 Yeah, and it's much more enjoyable too, being in 979 00:48:00,130 --> 00:48:01,510 that sort of state of flow. 980 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,800 Um, alright, have you got any final message that 981 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,070 you wanted to leave people with before we wrap our 982 00:48:07,070 --> 00:48:08,480 conversation up today, Kevin? 983 00:48:10,555 --> 00:48:12,465 Kevin Jeffers: And the message that I've been developing and 984 00:48:12,475 --> 00:48:17,585 having these talks is that the first one is don't quit, 985 00:48:18,285 --> 00:48:22,475 never, never quit in your effort to seek out spirit 986 00:48:23,015 --> 00:48:26,565 and the second thing is that life is interesting, 987 00:48:27,305 --> 00:48:28,245 it's not boring. 988 00:48:29,875 --> 00:48:32,335 If you have, if you have a boring life, or what you 989 00:48:32,335 --> 00:48:37,595 consider boring, then probably it's time to remap your life. 990 00:48:39,685 --> 00:48:42,235 Because unfortunately we have so many years in which 991 00:48:42,235 --> 00:48:46,745 to fully express ourselves, and learn, and move on, and 992 00:48:46,745 --> 00:48:47,705 then it comes to an end. 993 00:48:49,015 --> 00:48:51,335 So while you're here, and if you have an impulse 994 00:48:51,945 --> 00:48:57,055 to heal, or you want to get, become a transmedium, 995 00:48:57,275 --> 00:49:00,375 whatever it is that appeals to you, be available to that. 996 00:49:01,905 --> 00:49:04,525 Because closing that door closes off who you are. 997 00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:10,210 You're a spiritual being encased or inside 998 00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:11,390 of a physical body. 999 00:49:11,980 --> 00:49:12,900 This is the vehicle. 1000 00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:13,550 This is the tool. 1001 00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:14,220 That's all it is. 1002 00:49:15,020 --> 00:49:16,310 You are not a nothing. 1003 00:49:17,770 --> 00:49:20,060 You're not impervious to spiritual influence. 1004 00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:22,010 So don't ever quit trying. 1005 00:49:24,645 --> 00:49:26,435 You are more than who you think you are. 1006 00:49:27,415 --> 00:49:28,325 That's another piece. 1007 00:49:29,075 --> 00:49:30,775 You're more than who you think you are. 1008 00:49:34,030 --> 00:49:35,920 Rod Bland: thoroughly enjoyed our conversation today, Kevin. 1009 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:36,640 This was really good. 1010 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:37,490 I feel like there was... 1011 00:49:37,740 --> 00:49:39,450 Sometimes I have these conversations and they're 1012 00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:40,980 just like, they were just made just for me. 1013 00:49:41,140 --> 00:49:42,790 But I think a lot of other people get something 1014 00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:44,010 out of what you've said today as well. 1015 00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:46,300 So, I appreciate you coming on the show. 1016 00:49:47,385 --> 00:49:48,175 Kevin Jeffers: Well, thank you. 1017 00:49:48,275 --> 00:49:48,605 Thank you. 1018 00:49:48,605 --> 00:49:51,245 I enjoy talking about these things sometimes. 1019 00:49:54,835 --> 00:49:57,785 You created an environment for me to discuss these 1020 00:49:57,865 --> 00:50:02,205 things, which is very safe, and I appreciate that. 1021 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,750 Rod Bland: It's been my pleasure.