Kevin Jeffers: And so I prepared myself
to take my life.
And as I was about to engage in this process that would
have been a termination of me, my body, I was
yanked out of my body.
Some part of me, some essential part was yanked
out, and I went right into this portal of light.
Rod Bland: My guest today is Kevin Jeffers.
Welcome to the show, Kevin.
How are you?
Kevin Jeffers: Hey, Rod.
Thanks for having me be here.
Rod Bland: Well, it's my pleasure and thanks
for reaching out too.
So I understand that you had an NDE some time ago and
you've had a number of other, uh, experiences as well.
So would you like to give us a little bit of background
and tell us what happened?
Kevin Jeffers: Before I jump into the, uh, near death
experience, I would say that I've been experiencing
unusual things ever since I was a young child.
And that regard, I was, uh, I would see energy forms when
I was, I remember, I have a remembrance when I was five
of seeing, uh, very colorful geometric forms shaping in
front of me when I would go to sleep at night, just
before I just, just before I went to sleep and it was
entertaining as a five year old, just move your hands
around and everything, all these, uh, yeah.
Geometric shapes would take whatever form that I was,
uh, doing with my hand.
Then I realized that something unusual was
going, but I didn't know that until I got older.
You know, when you're young, you just don't
think about these things.
They occur, and then that's that.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
You think everything's normal when you're young, don't you?
Like it doesn't matter what it is cause you've got
nothing to compare it to.
Kevin Jeffers: You don't think it's not normal.
Plus, it had the benefit of keeping me quiet so
my mom didn't yell at me.
So this, this went on for a while,
and then it's like I hit a pause.
In seeing energy, I call it seeing energy in hindsight,
looking back over my life.
I said, well, definitely you were seeing energy shapes.
You were seeing energy.
I took a pause as I went through, uh, you
know, elementary school, high school, and.
it started again.
When I was in college, I started seeing these
forms again, but they were more articulated.
I'd be talking to one of somebody, a friend or an
instructor, and a massive cloud of color would
come between us and as I experienced this more and
more, I began to realize that the color had significance
and meaning and was Later, I found out, well, that's
an aura, but in the, but at that time, I just said, wow,
that's really a cool color.
And I went to art school, so I would draw all this
stuff out and add color and do this and do that.
that went on, then I joined a group called the ARE, the
Association of Research and Enlightenment out of Virginia
Beach, the Edgar Cayce people.
And we had, uh, meditations, weekly meditations,
discussions about, uh, extraordinary things.
And I met a guy who was doing past life regressions.
Now in those days, there were no past life
regression hypnotists.
There were hypnotists who tried to have people
experience a past life, but they were, they were
very much in the minority.
So I thought that was very interesting.
That was good.
And then I went to visit him, laid down on his
couch, and he went into his, uh, hypnotic routine,
which in his version was a countdown backwards from 100.
I was going 100, 99, 98, and by the time
I hit 92, I was gone.
I felt myself lifting out of my body, went through
the, his roof, the ceiling and out through the roof.
And then fast forwarded to a location that I thought, well,
this is just interesting, but then suddenly I was in,
I was on a ship and the ship was full of Vikings and the
Vikings were approaching a battle with more Vikings.
And then you probably know from history, Vikings
were not a, not a very sociable, nonviolent society.
Everything was about plunder and so on and so on.
But I was very young.
I was about 17 years old.
I knew that at the time I was very young and my
brother was the captain of the ship, my current brother.
So he sent me on top of the mast.
Uh, he said, well, be the lookout.
But you know, I understood that it was stay out of
trouble and get out of the way, go up the mast,
no one's going to split your skull up there.
So I was watching the battle and having a great time.
And remember, this is all in the regression.
And I'm experiencing this vivid, extraordinary time.
And then I felt a thump in my chest
and it was a spear.
And I looked over and I said, that's a problem and died.
So I've always had a birthmark on my chest
and I went to the hospital and I said, now,
is this a birthmark or is this an indication
of a bigger problem?
And the doctor was very concerned because it had
some kind of shape or color or whatever they look at.
He said, let's take an x ray.
And they went in and we did a male mammogram.
In those days, it was x rays.
There were no, there was nothing else.
uh, he said, no, that's a birthmark.
Don't worry, you don't have cancer.
So I had the birthmark.
I still have it.
It's exactly in that spot where I recreated
that life or experienced that life, depending
on how you look at it.
And, uh, I use that for myself as a bit of evidence.
That either I dreamed up this extraordinary event,
remember it's the first time I've done this, so I was in
a high state of doubt, and then I just kind of settled
into it and I said, okay, well, that's a past life.
And then I went back to see the hypnotist
a couple of times.
I experienced different things, different lifetimes.
Uh, one time I went with a girlfriend and it turned out
we had had this wild, hot relationship in the French
period during the 1700s.
She liked that.
I thought it was a little too much, but anyhow, this, this
would continue and continue.
And then took a trip.
I just felt this impulse, 18 years old, you, you don't want
to hang out around the house.
So I went to Greece and I felt a strong attraction to
Crete, the island of Crete.
while I was there, I looked around and saw things.
And then I, I felt this impulse to go to this place
that I always knew was called.
The Prince's Palace.
And I didn't even know there was a Prince's Palace.
But sure enough, I had someone, I talked to
someone and said, yeah, it's down the road there.
So I walked down the road, it was a couple hour walk,
and I was walking with a friend of mine, and trying
to figure out how I'm going to find this place.
Because I know it's there.
The closer I get to it, the more I become aware of having
an affinity for that place.
And we get to a split in the road.
One road goes straight to the left.
The other one is a zigzag up the mountain.
And I just transitioned to a different place where I was
a child in a cart driven by an ox with my grandfather.
And we were going to the city and the city was up the hill.
So I said to my friend, I said, let's go up the hill.
He said, no, no, no, that's not the way.
I said, I'll tell you what, I'll meet you there.
So I went to this switchback road, went to the over
the hill and there was the ruins of the city.
And I explored it and a lot of emotions running
through me at the time.
And I went to the, the Queen's Chamber.
It's there, it's made out of alabaster, it has
some, some artwork, some frescoes up on the wall.
And I felt very sad and I took a piece of rock And put
it in my backpack I wouldn't do that these days, but in
those days, I was just 17, 18.
I didn't know any better.
It's just a little piece, throw it in the backpack,
took it back home after many more months of travel through
Turkey and experiencing these incredible memories.
I went back home, home was in Chicago.
I was living with my mother at the time.
My sister was there.
My brother was there.
My sister introduced the mother of a friend of hers
who said she was a psychic.
And I had never met a psychic.
I didn't know what a psychic was.
I, you know, they just like got transmissions from
somewhere and new stuff.
So I thought that was fascinating.
So we're sitting, she came over.
She wanted to speak with me because she had her,
she had her reasons.
I didn't know what they were.
She said, Oh, I heard you have a rock from Greece.
I said, yeah, I have one of those.
So I went out and I got it and I brought it back.
And it's this white alabaster.
It's really a.
Non script white stone.
And she said, Do you mind if I do a psychometric reading?
So I looked at her and I said, Come on, what's
a psychometric reading?
She said, it's when you hold a stone and it starts you
pick up the vibrations and now it's getting strange for me.
I mean, I could see energy, but I didn't know about
this vibration stuff.
So she was holding the rock and we were all quiet
waiting for stuff to happen and stuff did happen.
We're in the kitchen, in Chicago, they have the
double doors because it snows a lot there, very cold.
The outer door opened, and it's one of these sprocket
doors that's supposed to stay closed, but it
opened and it stayed open.
And then the inside door, which had been locked,
that opened up too.
Rod Bland: Oh.
Kevin Jeffers: There were like five people in shock.
How did that door open?
Two doors that opened up.
And then this cloud came in and it was just extraordinary
because you knew a presence was in that room.
then the psychic is kind of like concentrating.
He said, I'm talking to her and I said, who's her?
This woman came with the rock to ask your forgiveness.
I said, I don't know any ghosts.
She said, no, you had a relationship with this
person when the prince's palace burnt down.
of what she was responsible for the fire, you went
to retrieve her and died.
So she's come back to ask you for forgiveness.
And I'm a little bit of shocked myself.
So I said, okay, forgiven.
Let's go.
You know, enough is enough.
And then suddenly this, the smell of lilac
came into the room.
It was incredibly dense and intense.
And I said, okay.
I mean, I really felt bad about this.
If this was a true story, I said, I felt bad about it.
I said, okay, you're forgiven.
Let it go.
Go.
And then the presence went out of the room and the inside
door slam closed and the outside door slam closed and
we're like back to normal, except for this lilac smell.
So I looked at everyone and I said, you know, I'm
smelling lilacs right now.
And they said, yeah, we can smell that too.
There were no lilacs in the room.
It's in the middle of the winter.
There's no like lilac plants.
And that smell continued in the house for
about a week for me.
And I would go to this place in the house,
it would follow me.
And then I'd go to the next one and the
smell would follow me.
And being young and kind of embarrassed
about these things.
One time I was going to the bathroom and
the smell came in.
I said, okay, okay, you're, forgiven.
Everything is good.
I want some privacy when I go to the restroom.
Can you just go?
And it was kind of like a sigh, and then the smell
was gone, the presence was gone, and I never had
that experience again.
So that's like a wake up call.
This is really, real intense stuff.
Then after that, I just started not so much hearing
things, but knowing things.
It was like, uh, something would run through my mind,
and I started hearing things.
that was interesting because, don't know, maybe at that age
everything is interesting.
And that went on for a while, and um, The lady who I'd
met who did the, who was the psychic, did the psychometric
readings, was a healer.
A traditional healer, Christian healer.
And she wanted to teach me how to heal, and I thought
that was a good deal because people benefit from a healing.
If it actually occurred, I was good for it.
So she spent a couple of years training me on healing, inflow
of energy, using spiritual energy to heal a person.
She taught me how that worked, and then I went out and I
started doing that myself.
And, um, finally just ended up giving classes.
I think I was about 30, 31 years old and I was having a
class with 30, 40, 50 people.
We would talk about these kinds of things, we'd
talk about healing, and it was all interesting.
And until finally I just decided it was
interfering with my life.
So I cut the classes out and I thought that
was the end of it.
Well, it wasn't the end of it.
I'm, I've always been kind of a business minded person.
Um, I own a number of companies that I started.
I'm inclined in that direction, but all my degrees
are in art and sculpture and painting and drawing and
all these kinds of things.
So it was kind of like a balance, a big reader.
And I started reading more and more about.
Spiritual things, psychic things, uh, the old, uh, like
the Theosophics, Theosophical Society, Rudolf Steiner,
um, Andrew, Andrew Ford.
And it was just like an accumulation of data and
it went on and on and on.
And then one of my businesses failed and it was
actually my key business.
And like overnight I was broke and I had a family and
I had kids and I got just depressed and more depressed.
And it was like.
That circumstance was pointing to me and
saying, you're a failure.
You're terrible.
You lost all your money.
And I was feeling worse and worse and worse.
And I really didn't understand the, the effects
of depression on your self confidence and your life view.
And I wanted to end it.
I wanted to end my life.
I was tired of the depression.
It was just, it was too much.
So I got to the point where I was going to
end it, end my life.
And I think when you're in a, when you're in
that stage of depression, you're really not thinking
things through clearly.
You're just enough is enough.
And I did have medication.
We didn't know about medication at that time.
And so I prepared myself to take my life.
And as I was about to engage in this process that would
have been a termination of me, my body, I was
yanked out of my body.
Some part of me, some essential part was yanked
out, and I went right into this portal of light.
And in those days, there were no tunnels, and there were no
entryways, and there, at least for me, there was nothing.
It was just a portal of light.
And I got right up and got to look inside what's on
the other side of the light.
And it was beautiful, colorful, vibrant.
were having a good time.
I was not having a good time, but they were
having a good time.
And then this bright white figure stepped
in front of me and held up, held out her hand.
It was, it was a she, a female, held out her hand.
It kind of pushed me on the chest and I went slant
right back into my body.
Now, the interesting effect of that was the depression
was gone, the self doubt was gone, the resolution
to continue was there,
and I never had that experience again.
Rod Bland: Wow.
Kevin Jeffers: It terminated it right there on the spot.
So even in the worst circumstances and the most
difficult in my business and my personal life, I never had
that depression come back.
Which was a relief because it's, it's not, it's not good.
Depression is not good.
And I have no interest in doing anything as radical
as ending my own life.
That just went out the door and never came back again.
So my life went on and I just.
The intensity of the healings and the seeing things and the
experiencing things increased.
And I'd be, I'd feel this impulse to go to some city
like Rome is a good example.
I just knew that I had died in the Colosseum as
a, as an early Christian.
And I went there and I could see it all again.
I could see what had happened.
I could see people being killed.
I could, and then I reached the point where I saw myself
being killed by a lion.
And I was with my sister, my current sister, who
got scooped up with me.
And she died and I died and, um, it's just all
very, very emotional, very dramatic thing.
But then the impulse was released when I re
experienced the event.
And I've traveled all over the world many, many times,
um, spent a lot of time in Asia, 30 some years in Asia.
And everywhere that I would go, I'd feel this
impulse to go was like what I would call...
A recovery is some aspect of myself, and I didn't know
what that was about, but now I know that when we die, we pass
on, we leave an energy, we leave some part of ourselves
behind in our physical bodies.
And I would collect that missing part, and I would pull
it back into my energy field.
And every time I did that, the impulse to go
that place was ended.
But then I would feel myself more complete and I've done
this for a long, long time, been to many places and, um,
now I'm kind of at the end of the road and I'm realizing,
well, I pretty much have gone everywhere I wanted to go.
I've got a couple more places I want to go, but that's it.
And I wrote that into the book, some of
those experiences.
I wrote a healing experience into the book.
Um, initially it started out with this thing I call
the pattern, which is, An experience of higher
levels of consciousness.
And it's, in a sense, somewhat boring because
everything is good.
The spiritual life is a good life.
The spiritual life is an all knowing present moment of now.
So my editor said to me, Well, Kevin, you better put in some
of your personal experiences or people are going to read
your book and fall asleep.
I said, okay.
And then remembering and writing it down was
very difficult for me because I don't like
talking about myself.
I learned to.
So I wrote down, I just went back to my notes, things
that I've experienced, meditations, energetic
exchanges, and started putting them into the book, a couple
of healing experiences.
That's pretty much a rough draft of what
I've gone through for the last 50 some years.
Rod Bland: So I wanted to ask you about the, when you,
before you were planning to take your life and you
popped out of your body, that presence there, um,
who do you think that was?
Was that like a, a, a guide or your higher self
or have you got an inkling of who that might've been?
Kevin Jeffers: I don't know.
I think there was, I didn't care at that point.
As I was out of my body and it was like, I'm
talking with you now.
It was that real.
Rod Bland: Hmm.
Kevin Jeffers: Then when this figure put their hand
out and stopped me from entering into the light,
I was very disappointed.
Very distressed about that because I liked that place.
It was gorgeous.
It was like, you know, getting a first class
trip for a couple bucks.
And, um, so no, I never identified who that was.
I didn't have a guide.
I didn't have like an angel next to me guiding
me into the light.
I just, I went, and it was just a thought
and I was there.
But what I did notice, and this took a while for
me to put this together, was that when I touched
the light, it changed me.
The connection with that figure who touched me
and the light changed.
Shifted my reality to a greater understanding
and a, and a greater awareness of energy and
compassion and love.
And hence the increase of the efficacy of my
healings was because I would go into people and
be with them and heal them.
And I think all of that and knowing things, all of that
was related to that experience of going into the light.
I'd had experiences of traveling out of body
before that, but they were more mundane.
Just go out of the house, look around, go to this
place, go to that place, meet some interesting souls.
But going into the light expanded the whole game.
It was, it was a shift into higher consciousness, a
higher consciousness than I had ever experienced before.
And therefore, it's like a domino effect.
It impacted my life for the rest of my life.
Now I've been back many times.
Now I go into the light and it's not so dramatic.
I don't have to do things to myself to get there.
I don't have anyone stopping me from going there.
And it's now a deeper familiarity with the
light, which is spirit.
The light is a high frequency spiritual expression.
And I've met people that belong to my soul group, as
I call it, my total self.
And it all started with that, you know, the higher
experience, the more impactful experience.
Started when I went to the light, and I can't say I went
into the light, as many people with NDE's have said, you
know, I went into the light, I met the family, I met my
spirit guides, they showed me what a screw up I was in life.
No, I didn't have that.
I just was kicked out.
Rod Bland: Yeah, I've spoken to a few people that kind of,
it's almost like a threshold, you know, for them, that was
as far as they were ever going to go, was to be able to see.
But not actually enter, and for others, you
know, there's an entry
Kevin Jeffers: No, it's like on Star Trek and they
put aliens into this room and you can see through it.
It buzzes when they touch it and they can't get out.
There was a, there was a barrier between me now
and me there, me here, me there, I call it.
I differentiate between the me here and the me
there because it's a different, it's a different
expression of energy.
I'm not at the point in my life and I don't, I
have a feeling I'm never going to achieve it.
Where I am in a constant state of spiritual reality.
It's like a, it's like the ocean and the waves and it
flows, it hits highs and it hits lows and it hits highs.
And depending on how much wind there is or a storm
affects that experience.
Rod Bland: After your first sort of encounter with
the light, did that impact on how effective you were
as a healer after that?
Kevin Jeffers: Oh, absolutely.
Because then I could see what I was feeling.
I could see what I was experiencing.
It wasn't like sticking your finger in a little
vibrator and you know, you start buzzing.
No.
I was, I would see the energy, I would see
what was happening, and that was the difference.
So when I would work into a healing with someone,
I, the energy would come through me, out of my hands
and into their body, and I could see the effect that
it was having, or no effect.
Not everyone can be healed.
There are restraints on the healing process, and
would chalk it up to karma.
It's not your time to be healed, you're not
allowed to be healed.
Or you're there to learn something.
It's all about learning.
When I've gone back again into the light, my, and I
finally did find a spiritual guide, which I was relieved
because everyone was talking about it, would look at me
and say, what did you learn?
At every stage of my life, when I've encountered
a spiritual being, the spiritual being wants to
know, what did you learn?
And it's, there's nothing else.
There's no shame.
There's no guilt.
There's no.
accusation of any kind of behavior because spirit
understands we come back and we come back and we
come back and we are many things for the purpose of
learning and experiencing.
What did you learn?
And I've talked with people that have had the NDE and
they said that's pretty much essentially their experiences
after all of the things that they go through in their
heads, looking at their lives, seeing, seeing reels.
Seeing movies of their past lives and their current
life is that the individual or the group wants to
know what did you learn?
What are you bringing back to them?
Rod Bland: So I've been reading the book, the Book of
Ra series of books, uh, over the last couple of months.
It's, it's pretty heavy going.
And I think it was in book three, they were
talking about healing in particular, and that a
healer, really is, doesn't actually do the healing.
It's, it's kind of like an interface for somebody
to allow themselves to be healed, which I thought
was an interesting idea.
And what do you think about that?
Kevin Jeffers: I totally agree.
When we have an innate core of energy that we can
use to do some healing.
But it's the more, it's the more simple
version of healing.
I've dealt with people that have had some very
bad life threatening experiences that I could
feel this spiritual energy.
I like to call it spiritual energy.
I really can't describe it as anything else, but it's energy
and it comes through me.
Moving into a person and healing them.
And I take no credit or responsibility other
than to be the available channel for that energy.
Rod Bland: So speaking of channeling, um, have you,
uh, has channeling something from the other side, either
messages or input, has that ever occurred with you?
Is that something that you've explored in your life?
Kevin Jeffers: I've gotten not messages
like we're talking now.
Some people say, well, you know, someone was
whispering in her and telling them things.
No, not like that.
I just know things.
I see the shape of energy and the knowing of the thing.
But I'm not being talked to.
I'm not having some spirit lean over my
shoulder and whisper the secrets of the universe.
I just know when things in my life are happening and
I tend to know how things are going to turn out.
It makes for some interesting betting.
Rod Bland: You, um, my understanding is that there
is, everything's possibility, like there isn't, uh, and
there's a, there's a certain amount of momentum that gets
going towards Certain outcomes and the more, uh, if we talk
about sort of outcomes for humanity, the more sort of
momentum, the more people that are sort of behind that,
that particular outcome, then the more likely it is
for it to occur, uh, rather than it being, well, this
is actually a definite set in stone thing that occurs.
Is that, is that how you view it as well?
Kevin Jeffers: My view is a little bit different.
Everything in my experience comes out of imagination.
If you can imagine it, you can do it because
you have a shape and an energy to the imagination.
And there are two things that are coupled together.
One is the imagination, you can imagine it, and the
other one is the intention.
A powerful intention, guided by imagination, will help
things occur in your life that you want to occur.
And another example of that is that you want more money.
You gotta pay the bills, you're broke, you don't know
what to do, the kids are sick, you need some food.
I've discovered that through intention, directed
intention generated or powered by the imagination
is that I can create that.
And I wasn't quite sure that that was reality or my wishful
thinking, but over the years it's proved to be the reality.
When I'm healing, I intend for healing to occur.
When I want to have some success in a venture, I
intend for that to occur.
I might feel after I've gone through this
process of imagining and intending that it's not
going to happen because it's not right to happen.
The guiding principle of our experience is
what we know as karma.
You're here to learn.
You're not here to have a joyride.
Rod Bland: Is it for some people, um, in terms
of learning, like we come here to learn and
I, I agree with that.
And why is it that some people seem to have
particularly, I don't know, brutal is the right term,
but particularly difficult lives, whereas others seem
to have a easier time of it.
Kevin Jeffers: Well, look at it this way.
You're an eternal spirit.
You never die.
You're immortal.
And you're a spirit, which implies not having
one of these things.
And you decide you want to be born, you want to experience
something, you want to balance the scales of karma, you want
to contribute to society.
I mean, you want to do something, but then the
deciding portion of entering into the physical life is what
is going to be your skill set?
What is going to be your access to energy?
How difficult or easy is your life in relationship
to what you need to learn?
So some people, many, many people have a very
difficult life, but then I step back and I look at
what I see and I realize that they chose that life.
They chose that level of difficulty.
It's like when you go into the masters or the pros,
the level of difficulty increases proportionally.
You're not in the backyard playing baseball, you're
in the big leagues.
You are playing baseball with professionals.
It demands more skill, more attention, and
that's what life is.
decide to come in with a set amount of skills
and energy and talent to accomplish your goals.
And maybe you want to accomplish greater goals, but
you have limited resources.
How do you accomplish a greater goal with
limited resources?
You stress.
You push.
You intend to accomplish those goals because those
goals that you want to accomplish are built as like
a blueprint for your life.
Your current life is a blueprint for
accomplishing something.
And maybe what you need to accomplish is to be poor or
to be starving in a big city or to be a victim of violence.
That's what you need.
And that's kind of a brutal look at people scratch
your head and say, well, how can you say that?
And I said, it's simple because you're
an immortal being.
Your soul is forever.
When you go into the higher, higher levels of
consciousness, nothing can touch you because
you're a creator.
And then when you come to earth, you're not
a creator anymore.
You've just entered into the predator world.
You have to survive.
You have to eat, you have to find shelter.
There's a lot that you have to do when you
come to this earth.
And it's true of every form of consciousness.
Whether it's an animal or a frog or a plant, even
rocks have consciousness, but they have their own
battles of consciousness.
It's all about the uplift of consciousness on the
planet earth to bring us to the next level of reality.
We're working hand in glove with everything to accomplish
that uplift of consciousness.
And that's what, in my view.
What we're going through now is a shifting in
our realities and the uplift of consciousness.
We're seeing a lot, a lot of crazy stuff.
And we're also seeing a lot of good stuff.
Then, you know, the, they did the, constantly in the news
is this polarization that's occurring between the people
who want to be in charge and the people who want to be left
alone and live their lives.
Or the rights and wrong, or the righteous and
the not righteous.
This polarization that I'm seeing in the world these days
is nothing more than man's struggle to lift consciousness
above what he came into.
If you project yourself out, this is not surprising at all.
But if everything is gauged and tested in the immediacy
of your reality, your life now, It makes no sense.
Rod Bland: Yeah, you have to take that alternative
viewpoint, isn't it?
Rather than sort of saying, okay, this, looking at the
totality of your experiences this particular lifetime,
when you look at that in the context of, well, it's one of
many, many lifetimes, it does, it does take on a different
colour, the experiences
Kevin Jeffers: Sure.
When you people that are suffering, you say,
why are they suffering?
And I'm not suffering.
You know, it's just like, you want to suffer with them or
have some level of compassion in their experience.
And it makes no sense.
Why am I, why am I sitting good and looking good?
And they're looking bad and they're not in a good place.
It's really, in my view, a function of what they chose to
encounter when they were born.
The parents, the relatives, the city.
The social economic influences, the political
influences, they know that this is the place they need
to be to experience what they should experience, what
they chose to experience.
Then when you die, you're out of it.
You go into the light, you're out of it.
And then you meet all of your old buddies that have
been around for hundreds of thousands of years and you
hang out and have the angelic equivalent of a beer and
talk about your experiences.
Rod Bland: I find the, the idea of being able
to access past lives fascinating and always have.
I've never actually done any sort of regression myself,
but given that we come here and the, the forgetting of our
previous lives seems to kind of part of that experience.
Why is it then that we do, some of us are able to recall
what those past lives were.
It sort of seems like, well, why forget if we've actually
can, can get access to that.
Kevin Jeffers: Well, that goes back to what
I had mentioned before.
You come in with a blank page and everyone has a
different skill set and everyone has a different
agenda, a different reality.
And many people come in choosing to find
themselves, find their spirit, find the light.
That's their struggle.
That's what they chose to have.
And once again, some people come in and they've got
all that part handled and they've got to take care
of another part, maybe a physical handicap, maybe a,
a mental disability, that the list goes on of things
that are occurring in life now that are on the outside,
horrendous, terrible.
But an, an interesting thing is that people with
hand, with that kind of challenges, I call them
challenges because they're challenging themselves.
Tend to be more open, more compassionate, more
loving than people that have everything together.
If I ever run across anyone who says they have it all
together, the radar, the radar starts working over time.
Watch that person, see what's going on there.
Because no one has it together.
We build our life constructing ourselves, our bodies,
our appearances, uh, how we present ourselves.
It's all a construct, a belief system that we
pull into ourselves ever since we're little babies.
What mom and dad said, and what siblings said, and
then what the school said, and then what society says.
We construct ourselves.
But then when we die, when we pass, we
release the construct.
But what's left is the knowledge.
Rod Bland: So for those who are wanting to explore
their own spiritual path or get in touch with what
their spiritual path, I'm one of those people.
What advice do you have for those people?
Kevin Jeffers: Don't quit.
Rod Bland: So when you say, when you say don't
quit, you mean like don't give up on life or don't
give up on that, that things can actually improve
Kevin Jeffers: Don't give up on the things that
you feel you need to do.
Don't give up on life because you're just going
to be slammed back again.
Um, many psychics have said they've talked to people
that have committed suicide and the, and the, then the
theme is regret and a very light spanking by spirit.
We gave you the body, we gave you the life, we gave you the
opportunity to be more than your impulse and you blew it.
Now you have to go back and the game is
going to be up for you.
It doesn't get better, it gets worse, until you reach
that point where you're just going to live your
life in a righteous fashion.
And some people commit suicide for righteous reasons.
Not everyone is, is a bad person.
Many people suicide out of the righteousness of their life.
And that's more understandable than someone who just takes
their life because things aren't going well and they're
feeling bad about themselves or they're experiencing.
Some level of depression or sadness.
So I would say to people that want to, want to experience
these things and learn these things, is that it starts
with an interior discipline.
And usually that looks like meditation.
Sitting in a, I have a meditation chair.
It's a, it's a gray colored lazy boy.
That's where you'll pull the handle and the legs swing up.
Rod Bland: Yep.
Kevin Jeffers: And I've been using it for years
and years and years.
I would not have gone in this direction.
I went and the experiences I've had without that
discipline of meditation, because that's when
I quiet my life.
I quiet myself.
I put aside my worries and concerns, and I'm available
to the experience of spirit.
So be available.
I would say, this is going to sound a little strange, but...
Pulling spirit into your life is almost
like a beauty contest.
You want to look good.
You want to be attractive.
You want to be worthy.
Spirit will go into the open hand.
It's not going to batter on your door usually and
say, come on, come on, wake up, wake up, come on
out, you know, do your, no, it doesn't work that way.
We need to draw a spirit into our life to experience these
incredible spiritual things.
And the denser we are, and I was one of those guys
who was just very dense.
It took a lot of shaping and reshaping and creating
an attraction to spirit.
And then one day it was a whisper in my ear.
Hi, I'm here for you.
I think I was 21, 22, something like that.
And then that awareness just never left.
Even in the moments where I doubted myself and
doubted everyone around me.
That presence never left.
So now when I travel, I call it traveling.
Um, that presence is with me.
It's kind of like a guide.
I think the term guide is very appropriate when it's
a true spiritual guide.
Then there's pointers on where to go.
You're presented with a puzzle.
And it's up to you to figure it out.
So you looked at your guide and your guide
said, Well, maybe you want to consider this.
And maybe you don't want to do that.
Well, there's kind of a, uh, tussle that goes on.
And then finally you follow the guide and things work out.
Rod Bland: So the guys don't tell us what to do, but
they do help us find the answers out for ourselves.
Kevin Jeffers: Yeah, they provide clues.
Like that clue game where there are so many people in
a room and someone killed somebody and they're trying
to figure out who it is and you have to collect the clues.
It's your life.
Your life is about collecting the clues to find the
direction you need to go, and in the process, you
expand your potentiality, expand your energetic field.
Rod Bland: Kevin, so if people want to ask you questions,
is, uh, is that something you'd be open to and what's
the best way for them to get in touch with you?
And if you've got anything, what else have you got
going on that people
Kevin Jeffers: Well, I have a website.
It's info at the pattern, T H E, pattern, P A
T T E R N, dot P U B.
P U B is short for publisher.
So, info at the pattern dot...
And then I look at all of the, I look at
everything that comes in.
I have some other folks that work with me.
They look at what's coming in.
And we make an earnest effort to reply to questions.
Rod Bland: Great.
And, um, do you have any other programs or anything
people, like if they're wanting to, you know, do
something further or learn something further, have
you got anything like that?
Kevin Jeffers: No, I have a website called the pattern.
pub and the website has podcasts, it has interviews,
postings, things that I've written out of the book.
And from my point of view, it's interesting because when
I was writing that book 30 years ago that I culminated
in publishing it last year, A lot of the times I didn't even
understand what I was writing.
I do now, mostly.
Rod Bland: Was it the act of writing it out actually
helped you understand it?
Is that what you mean?
Kevin Jeffers: Yeah, some of it was like a
transmission that it would almost unconscious.
I would sit down and I would write or they didn't have
computers in those days, so everything was typewritten.
But still now I've trained myself to be receptive to a
communication and that I get my telephone out and I go to
messages, you know, dictation.
I dictate it.
I wish I'd had that 30 years ago, man.
Rod Bland: I can't remember the name of the author.
It was, uh, he wrote The War of Art.
I think it was like the reverse of The Art of War.
The War of Art.
Kevin Jeffers: hmm.
Trans do.
Yeah.
Rod Bland: Yeah, I forget what, um, but he was an
author who wrote this book and, and in his view,
that was what writing was.
It was, it was really didn't come from him.
He kind of like was a conduit for what it
was he was writing.
Kevin Jeffers: when you're available as a conduit,
it's a heck of a lot more interesting than if it's
coming from here, but when it's coming in through here,
it gets really interesting.
Rod Bland: Hmm.
Hmm.
Kevin Jeffers: Because you're really not blocking
anything at that point.
You're available.
It's just transmissions or messages, they come in because
you're not blocking it.
when you're sitting there with a piece of paper in
front of you and you try to remember a conversation
or create a dialogue or some kind of action, it
can be very difficult.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Uh, Steven, Steven Pressman was the one I was thinking of.
That was the author.
Yeah, he was, he was writing about his experience of
writing and how he went like 20, 30, he was a very, very
successful author now, but he went through a space of
25 years where he was just...
Hopeless.
And, and finally he's going to kind of realize,
well, to stop trying to produce it, just allow it
to sort of flow through.
So I try to, I try to, I've always
remembered that message.
And it's something I always, I try not to prepare too
much or try to sort of control things too much.
Just kind of let them flow.
It doesn't always work, but yeah, I'll find it's
Kevin Jeffers: it probably works sometimes
Rod Bland: Oh yeah.
Kevin Jeffers: it's probably more interesting than if
you were making it up.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Yeah, and it's much more enjoyable too, being in
that sort of state of flow.
Um, alright, have you got any final message that
you wanted to leave people with before we wrap our
conversation up today, Kevin?
Kevin Jeffers: And the message that I've been developing and
having these talks is that the first one is don't quit,
never, never quit in your effort to seek out spirit
and the second thing is that life is interesting,
it's not boring.
If you have, if you have a boring life, or what you
consider boring, then probably it's time to remap your life.
Because unfortunately we have so many years in which
to fully express ourselves, and learn, and move on, and
then it comes to an end.
So while you're here, and if you have an impulse
to heal, or you want to get, become a transmedium,
whatever it is that appeals to you, be available to that.
Because closing that door closes off who you are.
You're a spiritual being encased or inside
of a physical body.
This is the vehicle.
This is the tool.
That's all it is.
You are not a nothing.
You're not impervious to spiritual influence.
So don't ever quit trying.
You are more than who you think you are.
That's another piece.
You're more than who you think you are.
Rod Bland: thoroughly enjoyed our conversation today, Kevin.
This was really good.
I feel like there was...
Sometimes I have these conversations and they're
just like, they were just made just for me.
But I think a lot of other people get something
out of what you've said today as well.
So, I appreciate you coming on the show.
Kevin Jeffers: Well, thank you.
Thank you.
I enjoy talking about these things sometimes.
You created an environment for me to discuss these
things, which is very safe, and I appreciate that.
Rod Bland: It's been my pleasure.