1 00:00:01,500 --> 00:00:04,800 Jethro Jones: Welcome to a Vision for Learning on the Be Podcast Network. 2 00:00:05,100 --> 00:00:06,930 I am your host, Jethro Jones. 3 00:00:07,230 --> 00:00:10,170 You can learn more about all the great shows on the Be Podcast 4 00:00:10,170 --> 00:00:12,750 network@bepodcast.network. 5 00:00:13,710 --> 00:00:16,890 And if you'd like to, you can download the top 10 learning apps for Apple 6 00:00:16,895 --> 00:00:20,280 Vision Pro at a vision for learning.com. 7 00:00:20,970 --> 00:00:21,810 Thanks for tuning in. 8 00:00:21,810 --> 00:00:27,420 Today we're gonna discuss my experience of using the Apple Vision Pro after one week. 9 00:00:28,410 --> 00:00:29,280 So let's go. 10 00:00:33,525 --> 00:00:36,285 There are a few things that I want to go over in this episode. 11 00:00:37,004 --> 00:00:39,855 So if you look in your podcast player, I've got some chapters 12 00:00:39,855 --> 00:00:42,315 in there to help you navigate. 13 00:00:42,974 --> 00:00:46,515 So first we're gonna talk about comfort number one. 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:46,920 I. 15 00:00:46,934 --> 00:00:49,665 It's surprisingly not uncomfortable. 16 00:00:49,934 --> 00:00:53,684 Having a pound and a half on your face I thought would be more 17 00:00:53,684 --> 00:00:57,495 uncomfortable, but I have found that it's actually not that uncomfortable. 18 00:00:58,155 --> 00:01:01,035 A lot of people are gonna have different issues with the comfort, 19 00:01:01,095 --> 00:01:04,305 and so your mileage may vary. 20 00:01:05,414 --> 00:01:09,825 I will say, as I mentioned in one of my previous episodes, that. 21 00:01:10,620 --> 00:01:13,740 This is not designed for people with small heads. 22 00:01:13,770 --> 00:01:17,880 So if your head is small, it's, there's a limit to how tight you 23 00:01:17,885 --> 00:01:20,730 can make the tightening strap on it. 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:21,870 So be aware of that. 25 00:01:23,370 --> 00:01:25,110 This is somewhat related to comfort. 26 00:01:25,410 --> 00:01:30,090 My eyes got tired after watching videos, and so I didn't really 27 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:35,380 notice, Fatigue or anything except when I was watching videos and that's 28 00:01:35,380 --> 00:01:37,330 where I started to experience that. 29 00:01:38,260 --> 00:01:39,730 I'm not sure exactly what's going on. 30 00:01:39,735 --> 00:01:45,070 Somebody mentioned something online about the focal depth being 1.3 meters or 31 00:01:45,070 --> 00:01:50,290 something like that, which is about four feet or so, and that if something is not 32 00:01:50,290 --> 00:01:52,090 in that right range, then it might be. 33 00:01:52,630 --> 00:01:54,100 Fatiguing to your eyes. 34 00:01:54,670 --> 00:01:56,410 So I'm not totally sure about that. 35 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,300 but that's something else. 36 00:01:58,910 --> 00:01:59,690 Number three. 37 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:05,240 Sometimes it feels like there were suction cups on my face, around 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,710 my eyes, after I take it off. 39 00:02:07,899 --> 00:02:10,869 and sometimes it looks like I've got really bad bags under 40 00:02:10,869 --> 00:02:12,969 my eyes after wearing it. 41 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:15,429 That is definitely a concern. 42 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,549 And again, your mileage may vary. 43 00:02:18,609 --> 00:02:21,549 Maybe I'm putting it on too tight, I don't know, but that's 44 00:02:21,549 --> 00:02:24,069 something that I have noticed. 45 00:02:24,249 --> 00:02:27,309 So those are a couple pieces around comfort. 46 00:02:28,129 --> 00:02:28,669 LLL 47 00:02:29,132 --> 00:02:31,052 Next, I wanna talk about productivity. 48 00:02:31,682 --> 00:02:35,282 The productivity aspect of this is incredible. 49 00:02:35,822 --> 00:02:39,572 I talked about it in the productivity episode that I did, but I'll also just 50 00:02:39,572 --> 00:02:41,822 reiterate here, this idea of locking in. 51 00:02:42,317 --> 00:02:43,907 Is really powerful. 52 00:02:43,997 --> 00:02:48,527 I'm really appreciating that because when I put it on, I know that I'm going 53 00:02:48,527 --> 00:02:53,927 into work mode and that just makes it easier to stay focused and harder to be 54 00:02:53,932 --> 00:02:56,267 distracted, which is really powerful. 55 00:02:57,197 --> 00:03:03,887 The other part about this is having the Mac virtual display is really incredible. 56 00:03:04,307 --> 00:03:04,997 I love that. 57 00:03:05,027 --> 00:03:08,837 I took the Apple Vision Pro with my laptop to. 58 00:03:09,707 --> 00:03:15,407 The library this week, and that was just great because I could 59 00:03:15,407 --> 00:03:22,247 have my whole home set up at the library instead of just at my home. 60 00:03:22,667 --> 00:03:24,047 So I had a huge monitor. 61 00:03:24,257 --> 00:03:25,517 I had windows around. 62 00:03:25,577 --> 00:03:27,107 I had a Pomodoro timer. 63 00:03:27,617 --> 00:03:30,527 All kinds of great stuff that really helped make it 64 00:03:30,527 --> 00:03:32,507 a better working experience. 65 00:03:33,527 --> 00:03:37,507 One funny little challenge with that is that, I was sitting across the table 66 00:03:37,507 --> 00:03:42,877 from someone and because I had the sensing people thing turned on, that 67 00:03:42,882 --> 00:03:47,292 person's face was sticking through my display, and that made it a little 68 00:03:47,292 --> 00:03:51,492 difficult to get work done 'cause there was a big face in the middle of it. 69 00:03:51,792 --> 00:03:54,342 So be thinking about those kinds of things. 70 00:03:56,517 --> 00:04:01,587 One of the things that people complain about is the guest mode, and I think 71 00:04:01,587 --> 00:04:04,877 the issue there is that people thought that having a guest mode meant that 72 00:04:04,877 --> 00:04:06,767 this could be a multi-user device. 73 00:04:06,887 --> 00:04:09,497 I've never seen it as a multi-user device. 74 00:04:09,497 --> 00:04:18,347 I've seen it as a person's device that if you're lucky, other people could use now. 75 00:04:19,902 --> 00:04:23,762 Having that perspective in a school setting, I think this is actually 76 00:04:23,762 --> 00:04:27,062 really good because you don't have to set up an individual profile for 77 00:04:27,062 --> 00:04:29,342 each student who might be using it. 78 00:04:29,882 --> 00:04:32,432 You can say, here's the app I want you to use. 79 00:04:32,492 --> 00:04:33,692 This is all you can do. 80 00:04:33,812 --> 00:04:38,072 And then boom, you give it to 'em, and then the next kid comes and you have 81 00:04:38,072 --> 00:04:39,452 to set up something different for them. 82 00:04:40,442 --> 00:04:42,002 I don't think that is a drawback. 83 00:04:42,002 --> 00:04:44,132 I think that is actually really nice. 84 00:04:44,137 --> 00:04:45,182 I like that idea. 85 00:04:45,962 --> 00:04:47,492 Would I like more users? 86 00:04:47,882 --> 00:04:54,062 Yeah, I would love it if I could have my wife on there and she could 87 00:04:54,062 --> 00:04:57,572 say, all right, I'm gonna use Apple Vision Pro and have it connect 88 00:04:57,572 --> 00:05:01,592 to her Mac and be able to do the things that she wants to do with it. 89 00:05:01,592 --> 00:05:07,712 I think that would be really great, but I didn't expect that would be the case. 90 00:05:07,742 --> 00:05:13,622 So the guess mode seems very nice to me to be able to use it in that way. 91 00:05:15,062 --> 00:05:18,062 I can also say, I don't need to worry about somebody else using this. 92 00:05:18,062 --> 00:05:19,412 I just know that this is mine. 93 00:05:19,682 --> 00:05:22,382 They can try out the apps that I give them permission to try 94 00:05:22,382 --> 00:05:23,642 when I give them the guest mode. 95 00:05:24,152 --> 00:05:28,082 And to me, this is a feature, not a bug. 96 00:05:28,087 --> 00:05:32,462 And being able to set it up individually for each kid that needs to use it. 97 00:05:33,152 --> 00:05:34,352 That makes sense. 98 00:05:34,952 --> 00:05:37,082 Sometimes I think having a non. 99 00:05:38,147 --> 00:05:42,677 User account would be even better because then somebody can just 100 00:05:42,677 --> 00:05:43,817 put it on and start using it. 101 00:05:43,817 --> 00:05:48,287 But I think the way the Apple is designing this is for everybody 102 00:05:48,287 --> 00:05:52,787 to have a personalized experience, which that was the other piece 103 00:05:52,787 --> 00:05:54,407 that I talked about, the ecosystem. 104 00:05:54,527 --> 00:05:58,127 If you already have all these iPad apps, they're already there. 105 00:05:58,187 --> 00:06:01,457 You already have access to these things that you've already been using and 106 00:06:01,457 --> 00:06:05,657 know how to use, and that is really powerful and I don't really know of 107 00:06:05,662 --> 00:06:09,827 a good way to do that, that isn't tying it to your Apple ID account. 108 00:06:10,367 --> 00:06:16,917 So I think that this guest mode is pretty good and considering what it is, I 109 00:06:16,922 --> 00:06:18,627 think it's pretty well thought out also. 110 00:06:20,472 --> 00:06:21,762 So the next piece I think is funny. 111 00:06:21,762 --> 00:06:24,102 This ties into the MAC Virtual display. 112 00:06:25,392 --> 00:06:29,682 The Apple Studio display came out a while ago and it was a super 113 00:06:29,682 --> 00:06:34,332 expensive monitor, $1,500 and really nice, certainly high quality. 114 00:06:34,332 --> 00:06:36,792 Definitely a beautiful display. 115 00:06:37,392 --> 00:06:41,652 However, I and many others said, that's too much to pay for a monitor. 116 00:06:42,082 --> 00:06:47,542 the joke's on me because I've paid $3,500 for another monitor, which 117 00:06:47,542 --> 00:06:52,192 is the Apple Vision Pro, and that is the way that I have used it the most 118 00:06:52,252 --> 00:06:54,082 as another monitor for my computer. 119 00:06:54,922 --> 00:06:57,502 And that doesn't mean that it's terrible. 120 00:06:57,962 --> 00:06:58,862 it is amazing. 121 00:06:59,162 --> 00:07:01,892 I get a big, huge display and then I can have multiple Apple 122 00:07:01,892 --> 00:07:06,182 Vision apps running around that display and that is really nice. 123 00:07:06,242 --> 00:07:10,202 I think there's a lot of good things about that. 124 00:07:10,492 --> 00:07:13,312 I just think that it's funny that I thought that one was too expensive 125 00:07:13,312 --> 00:07:18,592 and I paid a lot more for this one, and that's how I've used it the most.. 126 00:07:19,612 --> 00:07:25,732 The tapping your two fingers together and touching things that are on the screen. 127 00:07:26,947 --> 00:07:31,087 I say screen, but it's like a heads up display is what I should say. 128 00:07:31,537 --> 00:07:33,397 Tapping things that are on the heads up display. 129 00:07:33,697 --> 00:07:37,297 When I say heads up display, I'm thinking about the things that 130 00:07:37,297 --> 00:07:38,557 pop up that you can literally. 131 00:07:38,557 --> 00:07:41,557 not literally, but figuratively touch that are right in front of you as 132 00:07:41,557 --> 00:07:44,857 opposed to tapping your two fingers together to cause interaction. 133 00:07:44,907 --> 00:07:49,107 if you're responding to a text message, a keyboard pops up close to you that you can 134 00:07:49,112 --> 00:07:53,847 reach out and touch, which looks strange if you're not wearing the Vision Pro. 135 00:07:54,207 --> 00:07:59,877 But if you are feels and looks very natural and very comfortable, 136 00:08:00,927 --> 00:08:02,607 except typing is not that great. 137 00:08:03,867 --> 00:08:09,807 Some VR headsets use controllers to help navigate where your hands 138 00:08:09,807 --> 00:08:11,517 are and what you want them to do. 139 00:08:12,117 --> 00:08:17,727 In my experience using those, they're still not that great and I find 140 00:08:17,727 --> 00:08:20,967 that my experience using the hands. 141 00:08:21,507 --> 00:08:25,527 Just my hands is most of the time perfectly suitable. 142 00:08:26,007 --> 00:08:30,837 There are a couple things I've mista unintentionally because I don't 143 00:08:30,837 --> 00:08:36,597 usually think about what my fingers are doing, and so for example, I was 144 00:08:36,807 --> 00:08:39,988 watching a YouTube video while I was folding laundry the other day, which 145 00:08:40,472 --> 00:08:45,687 was awesome because my whole wall was this YouTube video and my laundry. 146 00:08:45,687 --> 00:08:46,557 I could still see it. 147 00:08:46,562 --> 00:08:47,607 It was there in front of me. 148 00:08:48,867 --> 00:08:53,247 Really cool that I could do that, but every time I'd bring my fingers together 149 00:08:53,247 --> 00:09:00,627 to fold a piece of laundry, then I would have a tap happen, and so it was causing 150 00:09:00,627 --> 00:09:02,397 me to sometimes jump around the video. 151 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:06,237 It was causing me to skip forward, pause or hit the share button. 152 00:09:06,687 --> 00:09:10,767 Those kinds of things are definitely annoying. 153 00:09:11,187 --> 00:09:13,257 Again, some of that is user error. 154 00:09:13,287 --> 00:09:14,457 Some of that is. 155 00:09:14,802 --> 00:09:15,762 How it's designed. 156 00:09:16,392 --> 00:09:21,942 Some of that is, is just the nature of using your fingers to control 157 00:09:21,942 --> 00:09:23,592 it instead of using controllers. 158 00:09:24,582 --> 00:09:28,212 If I were using controllers in that situation, I could set the controllers 159 00:09:28,212 --> 00:09:32,023 down and then I could fold my laundry and it wouldn't never do anything because 160 00:09:32,952 --> 00:09:34,872 my fingers are not an input device. 161 00:09:35,232 --> 00:09:36,312 But in this, they are. 162 00:09:36,852 --> 00:09:39,342 That being said, I do believe that multi-touch is going 163 00:09:39,342 --> 00:09:41,232 to come to it because the. 164 00:09:41,712 --> 00:09:45,162 Vision Pro does such a good job at looking at your fingers 165 00:09:45,222 --> 00:09:47,052 and knowing where they're at. 166 00:09:47,472 --> 00:09:52,152 Even in immersive environments, I can be typing on my keyboard and 167 00:09:52,157 --> 00:09:56,652 not see any of the keys below my fingers, but see all 10 of my fingers, 168 00:09:57,282 --> 00:09:59,292 which is really amazing as well. 169 00:10:00,627 --> 00:10:04,257 So there have been a lot of times where I've unintentionally tapped 170 00:10:04,557 --> 00:10:07,857 again, I need to learn how to interact better and it will get 171 00:10:07,857 --> 00:10:10,167 better over time at managing that. 172 00:10:10,677 --> 00:10:13,767 I'm looking forward to multi-touch with 10 Fingers. 173 00:10:14,217 --> 00:10:15,837 I think that it's gonna happen eventually. 174 00:10:16,047 --> 00:10:20,187 I think it has to happen eventually, and I think that it's gonna be 175 00:10:20,187 --> 00:10:22,437 pretty cool when it finally does. 176 00:10:22,437 --> 00:10:26,817 That ties into the lack of apps that are specifically designed. 177 00:10:27,237 --> 00:10:31,737 For the Apple Vision Pro, that is definitely an early adopter 178 00:10:31,797 --> 00:10:36,657 problem that those who are buying this early on are gonna face. 179 00:10:37,197 --> 00:10:39,447 There's a lot of iPad apps that do work. 180 00:10:39,452 --> 00:10:41,427 There's a lot of iPad apps that don't work. 181 00:10:41,757 --> 00:10:44,857 For example, I use an app called, Hey Calendar. 182 00:10:46,117 --> 00:10:51,407 And that one is not available, at all, and that's a bummer, that's all right. 183 00:10:51,497 --> 00:10:54,617 It is an iPad app, but it's not available for the Apple Vision Pro. 184 00:10:56,177 --> 00:11:02,062 one of the things that I, about the apps is, it is relatively weak. 185 00:11:02,422 --> 00:11:04,552 So let's talk about the apps for a moment. 186 00:11:05,557 --> 00:11:09,757 Immersive virtual reality apps are really neat. 187 00:11:10,747 --> 00:11:17,317 However, sometimes those are not the best thing and you don't necessarily want that. 188 00:11:17,827 --> 00:11:22,597 So if you want to watch a movie in a side window, being 189 00:11:22,597 --> 00:11:25,267 immersive in that is not really. 190 00:11:25,762 --> 00:11:28,042 Effective thing because when you're immersive, that is the 191 00:11:28,042 --> 00:11:29,782 only thing that is a single focus. 192 00:11:29,782 --> 00:11:30,682 That's all you can do. 193 00:11:31,162 --> 00:11:34,762 You can't have multiple windows open because the immersion 194 00:11:34,762 --> 00:11:35,962 takes over everything. 195 00:11:36,862 --> 00:11:39,332 I'm sure that is how it's designed and that's the point. 196 00:11:39,752 --> 00:11:43,652 But as developers are making apps, they need to be thinking about, is 197 00:11:43,652 --> 00:11:48,272 this an app that we want to take over the whole entire screen, or is it not? 198 00:11:48,272 --> 00:11:57,412 for example, with Microsoft Word, so does that really need to be a Vision Pro app? 199 00:11:57,932 --> 00:12:00,842 it's great that it is because the tap targets are better. 200 00:12:01,262 --> 00:12:03,902 It's designed better for the Vision Pro, and that's all great. 201 00:12:03,902 --> 00:12:11,492 So it's certainly better than an iPad app, but it is not bringing very much new. 202 00:12:12,167 --> 00:12:12,917 To the table. 203 00:12:13,337 --> 00:12:14,957 I don't know that there is anything new. 204 00:12:14,957 --> 00:12:17,567 I'm not a big user of Microsoft Word myself. 205 00:12:18,917 --> 00:12:23,357 Keynote, for example, gives you an opportunity to present and practice your 206 00:12:23,357 --> 00:12:26,567 presentation in an immersive environment. 207 00:12:26,687 --> 00:12:29,417 In that situation, that's more beneficial. 208 00:12:29,507 --> 00:12:34,792 That's cool, but just editing a regular keynote, you don't want that to be an 209 00:12:34,792 --> 00:12:38,332 immersive experience because you're probably gonna have other windows that 210 00:12:38,332 --> 00:12:40,857 you're gonna wanna have open to be able to access the things that you're doing. 211 00:12:41,297 --> 00:12:41,417 I. 212 00:12:42,982 --> 00:12:49,312 Something like MindNode, for example, seems like a great app for an 213 00:12:49,312 --> 00:12:53,122 immersive experience because you have 214 00:12:53,647 --> 00:12:58,687 these mind maps that are can be huge, and it would be great to 215 00:12:58,687 --> 00:13:01,297 see those things all in one place. 216 00:13:01,657 --> 00:13:05,977 However, the way that it's implemented right now is that it is stuck 217 00:13:05,982 --> 00:13:08,017 inside an iPad window, basically. 218 00:13:08,677 --> 00:13:11,677 That window can be big, so you can zoom in and everything, and that's 219 00:13:11,677 --> 00:13:17,227 great, but it's not as good as a fully immersive app, in my opinion. 220 00:13:17,587 --> 00:13:21,337 That would allow you to see the whole entire mind map all at once. 221 00:13:21,877 --> 00:13:24,067 I would love to see something like that. 222 00:13:25,220 --> 00:13:28,880 Here's an example of an app that has worked really great. 223 00:13:29,330 --> 00:13:33,410 It's called Timer Pomodoro, and it puts a timer in your physical space around you 224 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:39,650 and it counts down and you can put it in front of you, you can move it behind you 225 00:13:39,710 --> 00:13:40,940 so that you have turn around to look. 226 00:13:41,705 --> 00:13:43,025 This is really nice. 227 00:13:43,055 --> 00:13:46,505 You don't want that to be an immersive app because you don't wanna take 228 00:13:46,505 --> 00:13:50,585 up all of your real estate and have it be taken by this immersive app. 229 00:13:51,095 --> 00:13:54,515 There are some like mindfulness things where you do want that immersive 230 00:13:54,515 --> 00:13:59,165 experience so that you can stay focused and not be distracted by other things. 231 00:14:00,455 --> 00:14:03,095 And so looking through the apps that are available for Apple Vision 232 00:14:03,095 --> 00:14:06,245 Pro, you can see how many are. 233 00:14:06,515 --> 00:14:10,715 Are immersive and how many are just iPad windows. 234 00:14:11,105 --> 00:14:16,085 And being able to discern which is going to be best for each of those 235 00:14:16,085 --> 00:14:19,830 situations, is definitely something that developers are gonna have to do. 236 00:14:21,510 --> 00:14:24,300 One tool that I really like is called Crouton. 237 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:29,010 It's an app that I use every week to plan meals and use recipes, and 238 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:32,310 I really like it a lot and it's beautifully designed for the Apple 239 00:14:32,315 --> 00:14:36,120 Vision Pro and really just a great app. 240 00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:39,360 Looks wonderful, has lots of customization that you can do. 241 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,550 but do I want that to be immersive? 242 00:14:42,420 --> 00:14:43,500 No, I don't think I do. 243 00:14:44,220 --> 00:14:46,260 If I'm gonna use it while I'm cooking, which. 244 00:14:46,860 --> 00:14:50,910 I, I tried just for fun, but I don't think that's really a great experience. 245 00:14:52,540 --> 00:14:56,230 that's not, you don't want that to be immersive 'cause you need to be 246 00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:59,020 able to see your surroundings and be involved in your surroundings. 247 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:04,120 That one's definitely better as a window, especially because you can create timers 248 00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:08,230 for each individual dish that you're cooking and put those on top of where 249 00:15:08,230 --> 00:15:10,465 those dishes are, which is really cool. 250 00:15:13,985 --> 00:15:18,335 So this is a question that developers need to take time thinking about 251 00:15:18,335 --> 00:15:21,815 and answering about what is going to be best for their particular app. 252 00:15:22,355 --> 00:15:25,835 Is it going to be better as an immersive app or is it going to 253 00:15:25,835 --> 00:15:28,805 be better as a, as a windowed app? 254 00:15:29,645 --> 00:15:33,515 Which I think this is a really exciting question to be asking 255 00:15:33,515 --> 00:15:35,285 and a really exciting place to go. 256 00:15:35,855 --> 00:15:36,485 Right now. 257 00:15:36,545 --> 00:15:40,895 So I'm really excited about the opportunities that are available there 258 00:15:40,895 --> 00:15:45,170 as I've been talking about some of these apps, if you wanna see the 10 best. 259 00:15:46,020 --> 00:15:47,580 Apps for the Vision Pro. 260 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,160 Go to a vision for learning.com. 261 00:15:50,490 --> 00:15:55,050 Put in your email address and I'll send you a PDF with those apps, with links 262 00:15:55,050 --> 00:15:57,090 to the apps that I think are great. 263 00:15:57,630 --> 00:16:01,360 If you think there are some apps that are wonderful and you want to, share them 264 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,290 with me, please feel free to get that email and then reply and say, Jethro. 265 00:16:05,290 --> 00:16:06,940 Here's one that I think is really great. 266 00:16:06,940 --> 00:16:07,750 You should check out. 267 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,730 I'm at Jethro, Jones on all the socials, and while you're in there. 268 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,210 Why don't you take a moment and go leave a five star rating and review. 269 00:16:17,540 --> 00:16:20,240 If you're enjoying this show, remember, if you can't say anything 270 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,560 nice, don't say anything at all. 271 00:16:21,770 --> 00:16:25,070 I would, but I would love some five star ratings, some positive reviews. 272 00:16:25,310 --> 00:16:27,590 Let me just read a couple real quick. 273 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:33,050 a Hurston said I'd give more than five stars if that were possible. 274 00:16:33,380 --> 00:16:35,090 Thank you, aters, and I appreciate it. 275 00:16:36,429 --> 00:16:39,129 Dumont said Jethro has really nailed it with this podcast. 276 00:16:39,129 --> 00:16:42,549 His description of the practical use of the Apple Vision Pro is insightful. 277 00:16:42,849 --> 00:16:45,849 I'm excited to hear his thoughts for the application and personal 278 00:16:45,849 --> 00:16:48,279 learning and education in general. 279 00:16:48,754 --> 00:16:52,504 So thank you Katie Mont for that one and for everybody else who has 280 00:16:52,504 --> 00:16:56,824 left ratings and reviews, I really appreciate it and it helps this show 281 00:16:56,824 --> 00:17:00,064 get seen by other people as well. 282 00:17:00,454 --> 00:17:03,654 And in the short time that I've been doing this, according to listen notes, 283 00:17:03,654 --> 00:17:06,564 this show is already in the top 10%. 284 00:17:06,654 --> 00:17:11,754 So thank you to everyone who has shared it, who has appreciated it, who has left 285 00:17:11,754 --> 00:17:14,544 ratings and reviews and downloaded it. 286 00:17:14,544 --> 00:17:15,384 Thank you so much. 287 00:17:15,384 --> 00:17:16,464 That means the world to me. 288 00:17:16,984 --> 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