1 00:00:01,275 --> 00:00:04,683 Welcome to Plans Are Booked, a podcast for every reader. 2 00:00:04,683 --> 00:00:06,209 I'm Molly Geller. 3 00:00:06,893 --> 00:00:08,330 I'm Stephanie Blackburn. 4 00:00:08,814 --> 00:00:10,014 And I'm Caitlin Madison. 5 00:00:10,014 --> 00:00:23,774 Welcome to chapter 39, which is the age that I am right now, which feels kind of fun, even though I haven't really had that much fun as a 39 year old, to be honest with you, but 6 00:00:23,774 --> 00:00:26,044 we're only four months into me being 39. 7 00:00:26,044 --> 00:00:28,411 So maybe it will get better. 8 00:00:28,411 --> 00:00:36,295 I was gonna say I'm 39 also and I just have like two months left to go in this year and it's been pretty fucking awesome. 9 00:00:36,526 --> 00:00:37,386 I'm glad. 10 00:00:37,386 --> 00:00:38,006 I'm glad. 11 00:00:38,006 --> 00:00:46,126 think I'm just, I just like, I turned 39 and I've just been like house hunting since I turned 39. 12 00:00:46,126 --> 00:00:53,526 And also I left my teaching job in like a very like bitter, not pleasant way. 13 00:00:53,686 --> 00:00:57,566 So it just like hasn't really been that good, but, but I have a lot left. 14 00:00:57,566 --> 00:00:58,726 have a lot left. 15 00:00:58,726 --> 00:00:59,926 So here we 16 00:00:59,926 --> 00:01:01,717 There's still time to improve it. 17 00:01:01,757 --> 00:01:03,138 We're happy to be back with all of you. 18 00:01:03,138 --> 00:01:06,931 It's been quite a while since the three of us sat down to record together. 19 00:01:06,931 --> 00:01:12,345 We sometimes pre -record stuff so that you guys don't have an interruption in your listening schedule. 20 00:01:12,345 --> 00:01:16,558 But this is the first time we're around the table again in about two weeks. 21 00:01:16,558 --> 00:01:18,800 Definitely. 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:19,850 Yes, Steph. 23 00:01:20,431 --> 00:01:22,752 I was about to say reorgd, but I don't think that's right. 24 00:01:22,752 --> 00:01:24,752 like reoriented. 25 00:01:26,033 --> 00:01:30,585 Yes, Steph anxiety rearranged her dining room and her bedroom and her bed. 26 00:01:30,585 --> 00:01:37,838 I actually just went to use the bathroom before we were going to start and I like did a double take and I was like, wait, is your bed on a different wall? 27 00:01:37,838 --> 00:01:41,349 And sure enough it was, but she somehow moved the bed by herself. 28 00:01:41,389 --> 00:01:43,489 and it's a steel bed. 29 00:01:43,489 --> 00:01:46,394 is probably 800 pounds. 30 00:01:46,394 --> 00:01:47,774 Yeah, I'm not sure. 31 00:01:47,774 --> 00:01:50,079 I can definitely do a different chart myself. 32 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:51,239 pretty much it. 33 00:01:52,461 --> 00:01:56,804 So we've all been like bouncing around and doing a million things over the last two weeks. 34 00:01:57,165 --> 00:01:58,597 I'll start with my travels. 35 00:01:58,597 --> 00:02:06,273 So I was up in New Hampshire at Lake Winnipesaukee with my cousins, which is this annual tradition we've had for the last seven or eight years. 36 00:02:06,354 --> 00:02:12,859 We got a great weather week, which really everyone from New England or who grew up in New England knows the weather makes or breaks the 37 00:02:13,152 --> 00:02:16,626 You to have sun, know, and you reach Lake Cool. 38 00:02:16,626 --> 00:02:20,670 So we checked off and all that, the kids have been amazing time. 39 00:02:20,670 --> 00:02:24,194 I had never seen a water out of season, only like campfire which was a delight. 40 00:02:24,194 --> 00:02:26,036 Scout was an amazing, great guy. 41 00:02:26,036 --> 00:02:28,559 He loved the cabin life, was like nothing. 42 00:02:28,559 --> 00:02:30,601 Hardly anything he said. 43 00:02:30,601 --> 00:02:33,774 was just like, no, he was not a good person. 44 00:02:35,173 --> 00:02:37,235 I love the town of Wolfboro, New Hampshire. 45 00:02:37,235 --> 00:02:40,767 If you're thinking about like a New England getaway, I'll give you listeners. 46 00:02:40,767 --> 00:02:42,383 Anyone who wants my short list 47 00:02:42,383 --> 00:02:45,299 of restaurant list sites to see here. 48 00:02:45,521 --> 00:02:47,017 Just so you can look up that. 49 00:02:47,017 --> 00:02:48,008 Wolf Bar on New Hampshire. 50 00:02:48,008 --> 00:02:49,479 Just like classic. 51 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:53,761 And then I came back and I've been hosting my fam. 52 00:02:53,761 --> 00:02:57,083 As listeners may know, my parents arrived July 15th. 53 00:02:57,083 --> 00:03:02,506 They've been with me for a while now, but my sister and brother -in and niece and nephew came, which was great. 54 00:03:02,667 --> 00:03:09,070 Little kids running around on the beach is the best, especially the like, let's chase the seagulls age is just like pure joy. 55 00:03:10,285 --> 00:03:16,407 So now I'm back in Watertown for a couple of days and glad to be back at the table. 56 00:03:19,246 --> 00:03:22,226 I have had a staycation week. 57 00:03:22,226 --> 00:03:24,886 Well, it started off going places. 58 00:03:25,206 --> 00:03:31,646 I went to Newport Folkfest and I stayed with my college friend, Kerwin, for a couple days. 59 00:03:31,646 --> 00:03:41,646 And I saw some really good music and the weather was like 81 with like one single Ben and Jerry's cloud in the sky. 60 00:03:41,646 --> 00:03:47,446 And like, it was the best weather we've probably had since pre -pandemic for the Folkfest. 61 00:03:47,706 --> 00:03:49,006 And 62 00:03:50,801 --> 00:04:00,957 Sassy bands that I've seen before, Sassy New bands, which was really nice that the leader was a new band, Sir Woman was a new band, but then I saw like Kulture and Black Krumas and 63 00:04:00,957 --> 00:04:02,157 got started. 64 00:04:02,157 --> 00:04:05,739 So was like a nice balance of new and old. 65 00:04:05,900 --> 00:04:09,602 And ate some delicious food. 66 00:04:09,602 --> 00:04:17,786 And then I went down to the Cape because my mom had a new history of sergillating, I had to down to Cape for all of the babies. 67 00:04:18,046 --> 00:04:18,844 And then. 68 00:04:18,844 --> 00:04:20,134 I came 69 00:04:20,352 --> 00:04:24,464 I came back and it's just been like very hot. 70 00:04:24,464 --> 00:04:35,501 I've had like a bunch of plans like get canceled and kind of like, you know, people are sick or people like overbook themselves or double book themselves. 71 00:04:35,501 --> 00:04:42,604 And I've looked at a couple of houses and it's been a lot of Olympics watching. 72 00:04:43,215 --> 00:04:48,908 so it's been pretty laid back, I would say the Newport Cape Cod. 73 00:04:49,030 --> 00:04:50,659 that like four days was 74 00:04:50,659 --> 00:04:53,410 a lot of like traveling in the car and like. 75 00:04:53,802 --> 00:04:55,844 you know, being outside and whatever. 76 00:04:55,844 --> 00:05:00,047 And then since I came back on Monday, it's been like pretty low key. 77 00:05:00,168 --> 00:05:04,871 My brother's in France, so I've been checking on his cat. 78 00:05:05,311 --> 00:05:13,519 It's been, it's been, it's been nice to like not be in the office, but I am kind of feeling like I need a little routine. 79 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:17,652 Like I need some routine back in my life because my sleep schedule is like a joke. 80 00:05:18,092 --> 00:05:19,903 inside and out. 81 00:05:19,903 --> 00:05:30,229 And I was just saying like today's August 2nd and I'm go run a check this morning because I didn't analyze what the date was yesterday because I haven't been at work. 82 00:05:30,684 --> 00:05:36,548 So it's just like things like that that I need like to know what day of the week it is a little bit better probably. 83 00:05:36,548 --> 00:05:44,834 So I don't want to say I'm looking forward to going back to my desk job, but I am looking forward to knowing what the hell, day of the week it is. 84 00:05:46,857 --> 00:05:48,668 I've done some more dog sitting. 85 00:05:48,668 --> 00:05:53,255 I think I have been dog sitting every single weekend since June. 86 00:05:53,255 --> 00:05:55,947 Yeah. 87 00:05:56,068 --> 00:05:59,771 And this weekend again, I will be dog sitting, just keeping up the streak. 88 00:06:01,894 --> 00:06:05,018 Other than that, I have started writing a new book. 89 00:06:05,018 --> 00:06:08,171 I'm not very far into it, but done a lot of planning. 90 00:06:08,599 --> 00:06:10,211 feeling excited about that. 91 00:06:10,211 --> 00:06:12,696 then yesterday I had a day at the barn. 92 00:06:12,696 --> 00:06:15,560 I got bitten by a horse fly, which has never happened to me before. 93 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,722 I have a welt on my knee. 94 00:06:19,346 --> 00:06:22,070 Almost thought I had been stung by like a yellow jacket for a bit. 95 00:06:22,070 --> 00:06:23,363 It was like a fun sting. 96 00:06:23,363 --> 00:06:28,534 They used to like swarm our pool because we lived in Carlisle in the woods. 97 00:06:28,534 --> 00:06:34,881 And like, I can't tell you how many times I would duck under the pool to avoid them because they hurt so bad. 98 00:06:34,881 --> 00:06:45,165 Well, one of the other volunteers got stung first on her hand, but I didn't even like feel it touch me until it had actually bitten. 99 00:06:46,266 --> 00:06:48,547 No, it's too hot to wear pants. 100 00:06:48,547 --> 00:06:52,469 I mean, if I was riding, I'd be wearing pants, but since I'm just walking around, I wear shorts. 101 00:06:52,749 --> 00:06:53,549 So that was fun. 102 00:06:53,549 --> 00:07:01,773 And then at the end of the day, after I had washed Monty, all the little kiddos were loading the trailer for a horse show. 103 00:07:02,247 --> 00:07:03,988 three of the ponies had already gotten on. 104 00:07:03,988 --> 00:07:05,519 One of them had fallen. 105 00:07:05,519 --> 00:07:09,060 And then as they're watching, I had walked Monty around. 106 00:07:09,060 --> 00:07:12,581 So was probably like a hundred yards away, but I could see through the woods. 107 00:07:12,721 --> 00:07:15,602 The loudest crash I have ever heard. 108 00:07:15,603 --> 00:07:23,496 And I look over and there is a horse on the ground and there is a girl on the ground and all the horses started winning, like checking in with each other. 109 00:07:24,686 --> 00:07:28,828 when I left, they were sort of checking to see if the horse was okay. 110 00:07:28,828 --> 00:07:31,769 The girl had a knee brace on cause I think she has a history 111 00:07:32,034 --> 00:07:33,015 issues with her knee. 112 00:07:33,015 --> 00:07:39,561 It was always sort of a frightening end, but then when I got, I just need to tell you, Monty is this behemoth of a horse. 113 00:07:39,561 --> 00:07:40,382 He, 114 00:07:41,315 --> 00:07:43,176 That's such a good animal name. 115 00:07:43,176 --> 00:07:45,360 It's like such a good animal name. 116 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:58,881 He so he's black and white he's like a painted horse He has to be I would say probably 16 hands, which is like he's high He's the slowest horse I have ever worked with he was I 117 00:07:58,881 --> 00:08:06,701 think the 2022 Hippo therapy horse of the year just to like 118 00:08:10,259 --> 00:08:18,883 That's one that's amazing, but two did you just describe how many hands tall he was is that a horse thing because No 119 00:08:22,523 --> 00:08:31,951 That's how you, that's how you, it's to their shoulder and it's, I don't know what the inches is, but that's how you tell how high a horse is, however many hands they are from 120 00:08:31,951 --> 00:08:33,472 hoof to shoulder. 121 00:08:34,453 --> 00:08:35,834 If you can picture. 122 00:08:37,676 --> 00:08:41,008 Probably because back in the day we didn't have like feet and inches. 123 00:08:41,008 --> 00:08:42,119 I don't know. 124 00:08:43,420 --> 00:08:44,146 Because it 125 00:08:44,146 --> 00:08:51,666 you tell me that the horse is 12 Stephanie hands high, I need to know how many feet that is. 126 00:08:52,246 --> 00:08:57,326 And also, did you know that they describe Hello Kitty as being like six apples tall? 127 00:08:57,386 --> 00:08:59,219 That's like her tagline. 128 00:08:59,219 --> 00:09:05,868 did just actually recently learn that because I was listening to a different podcast where they were talking about how Hello Kitty is not a cat. 129 00:09:05,868 --> 00:09:08,142 she's not a cat and she's six apples tall. 130 00:09:08,142 --> 00:09:11,036 She's an Asian girl apparently is what she's supposed to be. 131 00:09:11,036 --> 00:09:14,089 But the ears, but the ears. 132 00:09:14,951 --> 00:09:15,472 Okay. 133 00:09:15,472 --> 00:09:16,757 So hands. 134 00:09:16,757 --> 00:09:17,057 Yes. 135 00:09:17,057 --> 00:09:17,418 Okay. 136 00:09:17,418 --> 00:09:24,083 So I would say that I can, I can touch the back of his, his back. 137 00:09:24,744 --> 00:09:28,486 I can see slightly over it, but not by much if that helps. 138 00:09:28,927 --> 00:09:29,278 Okay. 139 00:09:29,278 --> 00:09:30,849 So he's bit, he's just very big. 140 00:09:30,849 --> 00:09:36,073 Also his, his head is like, might as well be a dinosaur head, but anyways, he's a slow poke. 141 00:09:36,073 --> 00:09:39,056 He's just like the chillest slowest dude. 142 00:09:39,056 --> 00:09:45,591 So his, his field that he hangs out in is like, you have to walk through the woods to get to 143 00:09:45,591 --> 00:09:48,582 So I'm returning him to his field at the end of the day. 144 00:09:48,582 --> 00:09:52,623 And I also need to preface, his owner has four horses at this barn. 145 00:09:52,803 --> 00:09:55,304 One is a mini pony and his name is Bernie. 146 00:09:55,304 --> 00:09:59,325 And Monty and Bernie are like two peas in a pod. 147 00:09:59,325 --> 00:10:01,646 So Monty and I are coming through the woods. 148 00:10:01,646 --> 00:10:09,328 You can't see the paddock and Bernie just starts screaming because he knows his buddy is coming back to him, which is just hysterical. 149 00:10:09,328 --> 00:10:10,499 I think I got a video of it. 150 00:10:10,499 --> 00:10:11,629 I'd have to check. 151 00:10:12,609 --> 00:10:18,432 but then I bring him back in and Bernie is thrilled, but Bernie is more thrilled that I am now in the pen with him. 152 00:10:18,432 --> 00:10:21,934 And that means I have to spend five minutes giving him scratches. 153 00:10:21,934 --> 00:10:24,676 And they didn't catch the first five minutes of the video. 154 00:10:24,676 --> 00:10:31,159 They only caught the end, but he apparently was just like making the most ridiculous faces because I hit like the spot on him. 155 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,661 There were highs and lows, but it ended on a good note. 156 00:10:36,622 --> 00:10:48,762 I love that you picked like one of the hottest summers on record to be like, let me go prance around in a barn with these huge animals that are, you know, 20 hands tall and 157 00:10:48,762 --> 00:10:50,125 heads of dinosaurs. 158 00:10:50,125 --> 00:10:53,045 Well, when I started in April, it was like chilly. 159 00:10:53,045 --> 00:10:54,725 I had like a jacket on. 160 00:10:54,725 --> 00:10:55,705 Sometimes it was rainy. 161 00:10:55,705 --> 00:10:59,065 I think the fall is going to be glorious. 162 00:10:59,745 --> 00:11:01,705 And also they did cancel. 163 00:11:01,705 --> 00:11:05,085 There was at least one week that they canceled because it was like 97 degrees. 164 00:11:05,085 --> 00:11:05,815 That's too hot. 165 00:11:05,815 --> 00:11:10,465 I mean, these kiddos are also hot and the horses and us. 166 00:11:10,525 --> 00:11:13,927 We almost canceled our whole lives today because it is too hot. 167 00:11:15,970 --> 00:11:17,754 The damn humidity. 168 00:11:19,101 --> 00:11:21,277 And you didn't mention how much Olympics you've been watching. 169 00:11:21,277 --> 00:11:22,652 You're like the Olympic queen. 170 00:11:22,652 --> 00:11:28,953 Well, to tell you, I got up at 6 a the first Sunday to watch Qualifiers for Gymnastics. 171 00:11:29,473 --> 00:11:32,923 Basically, when I get up at 7 a I turn the TV on. 172 00:11:32,923 --> 00:11:33,513 I watch. 173 00:11:33,513 --> 00:11:40,453 I at least have it on the background the entire day until it's done with live coverage at like five. 174 00:11:40,993 --> 00:11:42,253 It's been fantastic. 175 00:11:42,253 --> 00:11:49,203 I have watched the usuals, gymnastics, show jumping, dressage, swimming. 176 00:11:49,203 --> 00:11:50,253 I don't watch. 177 00:11:50,253 --> 00:11:59,996 cross -country it terrifies me they almost always have to disqualify one horse because it gets hurt so I just don't watch that. 178 00:12:00,697 --> 00:12:03,058 Did you watch the triathlon? 179 00:12:04,318 --> 00:12:05,459 The women? 180 00:12:06,199 --> 00:12:11,130 not that one the women at least no one was puking but I just I saw 181 00:12:11,130 --> 00:12:11,780 were puking. 182 00:12:11,780 --> 00:12:14,492 You just didn't see it because I was reading articles. 183 00:12:14,492 --> 00:12:19,350 There were women quoted saying we saw things in the water we should never see again. 184 00:12:19,350 --> 00:12:21,849 Well, they kept repeating the words. 185 00:12:21,849 --> 00:12:22,863 stuff off. 186 00:12:22,863 --> 00:12:23,755 the rain. 187 00:12:23,755 --> 00:12:30,114 And I'm like, no, it's because there's poop and trash in there and probably cigarette butts. 188 00:12:32,359 --> 00:12:35,281 Can we just go back to the horse bit for one second? 189 00:12:35,602 --> 00:12:38,464 Sorry, not the barn, the Olympic equestrian. 190 00:12:38,464 --> 00:12:43,427 So, because my family's been around, haven't been able to watch as much TV as I normally would. 191 00:12:43,427 --> 00:12:54,436 I don't, Steph keeps me updated on what's happening, but I was scrolling through Instagram this morning and I saw one of the team USA athletes is Carl Cook. 192 00:12:54,436 --> 00:12:57,357 Is that the Carl Cook that was married to Kaylee Cuoco? 193 00:12:57,978 --> 00:12:58,859 Okay. 194 00:13:05,099 --> 00:13:11,001 What's interesting about that is, so I followed her Instagram for a very long time, mostly for her animal stuff. 195 00:13:11,001 --> 00:13:15,552 When they were married, she was posting horse stuff multiple times a day. 196 00:13:15,552 --> 00:13:20,304 And since she's been with her new partner, she never posts horse stuff. 197 00:13:20,304 --> 00:13:25,305 And I sort of don't follow, I mean, I still follow it, but I don't actively look at it because 198 00:13:25,334 --> 00:13:28,346 she hasn't seen an athlete, but obviously it's very less. 199 00:13:28,346 --> 00:13:33,559 We have like many bodies that she rescued from Kentucky and everything. 200 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,180 And she never put them anywhere. 201 00:13:35,180 --> 00:13:41,484 And I don't think it's like too close to the heart because it's really into the language she had with him. 202 00:13:41,484 --> 00:13:44,926 But yeah, he is a professional illustrator. 203 00:13:45,337 --> 00:13:47,575 and now as another Olympic medal. 204 00:13:50,062 --> 00:13:55,002 I feel like the Olympics have been really scandalous this year, like more so than other Olympics. 205 00:13:56,102 --> 00:14:06,122 Okay, so there was a 19 year old Japanese female gymnast who was the captain of the Japanese team and she got caught drinking. 206 00:14:06,122 --> 00:14:16,258 And so she was uninvited to the Olympics, which I feel like maybe she doesn't get to be the captain anymore, but 207 00:14:16,258 --> 00:14:20,914 uninvited by whom her home country 208 00:14:20,914 --> 00:14:21,854 Correct. 209 00:14:21,854 --> 00:14:23,734 No, it wasn't the Olympic committee. 210 00:14:23,734 --> 00:14:27,134 Because I think that would have just been a little tap on the wrist. 211 00:14:27,134 --> 00:14:32,794 I'm pretty sure Japan said you're out, which I understand not making her the team captain anymore. 212 00:14:32,794 --> 00:14:41,294 to be like, she's 19 years old to make like one little mistake like that, which like everybody does in their lives. 213 00:14:41,294 --> 00:14:46,174 And then to be like, sorry, like four years of work is out the window now that 214 00:14:46,206 --> 00:14:57,486 so insane to me and not appropriate in my opinion, especially when the Dutch have a child predator on their volleyball team. 215 00:14:59,438 --> 00:15:05,458 He went to prison because he raped a 12 year old girl and he's just hanging out at the Olympics. 216 00:15:05,458 --> 00:15:09,958 Do you have any idea how many children are at the freaking Olympics? 217 00:15:10,378 --> 00:15:12,044 I was stunned. 218 00:15:12,462 --> 00:15:18,307 And then there was something else that I read about and I was like, can everybody just calm down for like a minute? 219 00:15:18,307 --> 00:15:25,455 I have to say my favorite part so far is, and I'm going to misremember what country he is representing. 220 00:15:25,455 --> 00:15:26,586 I want to say Norway. 221 00:15:26,586 --> 00:15:32,782 He is obsessed with the double chocolate muffins from the cafeteria and his posts are so good. 222 00:15:32,782 --> 00:15:35,405 He, it's bananas. 223 00:15:35,405 --> 00:15:39,439 It's like he's doing like romance videos with chocolate muffins. 224 00:15:39,439 --> 00:15:41,009 It is so good. 225 00:15:41,009 --> 00:15:51,748 Okay, I haven't seen any of that content so you'll have to send it to me I was also gonna say I'm very obsessed with Steven from Worcester, Massachusetts from team USA who was on 226 00:15:51,748 --> 00:16:01,285 the gymnastics men's team only to do the pommel horse and the memes that have come out of the photo of him with his head sort of like tilted back against the wall eyes closed some 227 00:16:01,285 --> 00:16:04,147 people's memes are acting like he's focusing 228 00:16:05,727 --> 00:16:08,271 Obviously he had to wait a long time for his moment. 229 00:16:08,271 --> 00:16:14,084 They said he gets really anxious, so he was trying to tune out everything until it was time to do his 230 00:16:14,167 --> 00:16:15,007 total sense. 231 00:16:15,007 --> 00:16:15,587 love him. 232 00:16:15,587 --> 00:16:17,427 I've watched like 17 interviews with him. 233 00:16:17,427 --> 00:16:18,757 He is so nerdy. 234 00:16:18,757 --> 00:16:21,227 There have been a lot of like Clark Kent comparisons. 235 00:16:21,227 --> 00:16:22,226 That's really generous. 236 00:16:22,226 --> 00:16:24,624 He's like a mega nerd, like a like 237 00:16:24,624 --> 00:16:27,187 he can do a Rubik's Cube in like nine seconds. 238 00:16:27,187 --> 00:16:29,078 Yeah, anyway, I love him. 239 00:16:29,078 --> 00:16:30,550 I also love Frederick. 240 00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:31,360 Frederick flips. 241 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,362 I have started following so many new people on Instagram. 242 00:16:33,362 --> 00:16:34,612 It's unbelievable. 243 00:16:34,913 --> 00:16:37,074 Yes, he's also from Massachusetts. 244 00:16:37,074 --> 00:16:43,459 And then I can't believe either of you haven't mentioned Ilona from the women's rugby team. 245 00:16:43,739 --> 00:16:56,368 when people who are like kind -hearted get the spotlight on them because the amount of videos she has made about like body positivity, self -acceptance, believing in yourself. 246 00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:58,270 Unbelievable. 247 00:16:58,270 --> 00:17:00,352 I admittedly had never heard of her. 248 00:17:00,352 --> 00:17:08,578 And then she started, you know, making all these funny videos that were getting served to me on Instagram and all of the stuff she's talking about even before they got their medal. 249 00:17:08,888 --> 00:17:10,821 about everybody is an athletic body. 250 00:17:10,821 --> 00:17:12,961 was like, yes, where have you been? 251 00:17:13,368 --> 00:17:18,342 Did you see that Jason Kelsey wore a Hawaiian shirt with her face on it? 252 00:17:18,342 --> 00:17:19,203 Sure did. 253 00:17:19,203 --> 00:17:21,756 What is a more I've made it moment than that? 254 00:17:21,756 --> 00:17:31,206 he, so he and Travis talk about rugby pretty often on the podcast because they're like, it's such a bad sport and they like, don't wear any pads or equipment and it's like, you 255 00:17:31,206 --> 00:17:32,356 know, tough. 256 00:17:32,357 --> 00:17:36,221 And they talk about how like, they would not make it in a rugby league like at 257 00:17:36,329 --> 00:17:43,972 I saw a split screen video where Alona is speaking to a you know, sideline reporter about her college coach. 258 00:17:43,972 --> 00:17:51,135 And then there's the split screen of the coach just sobbing, watching the video of her talking about how much she means to her as she went to Quinnipiac. 259 00:17:51,496 --> 00:17:56,218 And I don't know, there's just so many wonderful New England athletes that are like crushing it. 260 00:17:56,218 --> 00:17:57,228 And I love 261 00:17:59,637 --> 00:18:00,978 It's pretty sweet. 262 00:18:02,459 --> 00:18:09,845 Well, we're going to segue into the book that we're talking about, which is called Yellow Face by R .F. 263 00:18:09,845 --> 00:18:11,065 Kwong. 264 00:18:11,446 --> 00:18:17,991 And this book was on one million lists. 265 00:18:17,991 --> 00:18:20,833 It was like nominated for a bunch of things. 266 00:18:20,833 --> 00:18:23,505 was like every book club's book. 267 00:18:23,505 --> 00:18:25,817 was, you know, 268 00:18:26,066 --> 00:18:31,329 praised by everybody from Benetton and The Weekly to Kirkus Reviews. 269 00:18:31,329 --> 00:18:34,991 just was a book that popped up everywhere. 270 00:18:35,272 --> 00:18:41,886 And I didn't read it on purpose for a long time. 271 00:18:42,164 --> 00:18:53,512 the premise sounded like it was going to be excruciating and cringy and difficult to wade through because it is about 272 00:18:53,512 --> 00:19:01,958 because it's about one woman stealing another woman's writing and making it her own. 273 00:19:02,259 --> 00:19:03,239 So... 274 00:19:03,842 --> 00:19:11,126 I don't think that this like really gives anything away or it's you're going to know this from reading like any blurb probably. 275 00:19:12,668 --> 00:19:19,872 basically this woman, has a frenemy, I guess I would call them. 276 00:19:19,872 --> 00:19:21,074 Would you call them frenemies? 277 00:19:21,074 --> 00:19:22,275 they're frenemies. 278 00:19:23,076 --> 00:19:24,157 Rivals. 279 00:19:24,157 --> 00:19:25,470 Frenemies, rivals. 280 00:19:25,470 --> 00:19:33,575 So June and Athena go to school together and Athena's star rises very rapidly. 281 00:19:33,615 --> 00:19:35,977 She gets publishing deals right away. 282 00:19:35,977 --> 00:19:42,341 She's like celebrating that her book is being turned into like a Netflix movie or series. 283 00:19:42,882 --> 00:19:47,245 And June is kind of like a long further ride. 284 00:19:47,245 --> 00:19:54,066 And June would not call Athena one of her good friends, but I think Athena would call June one of her good friends. 285 00:19:54,066 --> 00:20:05,578 because we find out pretty quickly that Athena was like a pretty molt -based writer and she was having a lot of success because she was just like shut out all of her connections 286 00:20:05,578 --> 00:20:08,000 and just was like grinding it out. 287 00:20:08,173 --> 00:20:15,813 And within the first 30 pages of the book, June and Athena are celebrating this Netflix deal. 288 00:20:15,873 --> 00:20:21,833 And I won't get into all of the details, but Athena dies that night while June is there. 289 00:20:21,833 --> 00:20:23,440 And June... 290 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:29,240 takes a finished, typewritten manuscript from her apartment. 291 00:20:29,341 --> 00:20:34,161 which is insane because like her friend has just died in front of her face. 292 00:20:34,161 --> 00:20:40,001 But she takes this manuscript and then she decides to give it to her editor and say that it's hers. 293 00:20:40,041 --> 00:20:42,271 And that's within the first 30 pages of the book. 294 00:20:42,271 --> 00:20:50,641 And then the rest of the book is June doing more and more abhorrent, horrible things. 295 00:20:51,001 --> 00:20:53,471 And you just watch this woman 296 00:20:53,471 --> 00:21:04,175 basically convince herself that what she's done is okay and all the success and athletes that she's gotten from doing this other woman's work is totally fine. 297 00:21:04,175 --> 00:21:06,136 Like it's like no problem. 298 00:21:06,256 --> 00:21:12,789 And as we further into the book, you really, really dislike June because there are many players to it. 299 00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:16,200 She is a white woman that we know as the Asian woman. 300 00:21:16,524 --> 00:21:21,648 The book that's being published is about Asian history and 301 00:21:23,367 --> 00:21:32,026 She just somehow manages to convince herself that what she's doing isn't that bad. 302 00:21:32,026 --> 00:21:45,960 And every time she's asked to speak somewhere or sign books or provide whatever, she just digs herself deeper and deeper and there just is not a lot of remorse or reflection on it. 303 00:21:48,171 --> 00:21:50,743 You you don't like, you hate June basically. 304 00:21:50,743 --> 00:21:57,688 Like you think she's just a total garbage person and you're like just waiting for everything to go up in flames the entire time you're reading it. 305 00:21:57,688 --> 00:22:00,310 And yet you can't put it down. 306 00:22:00,310 --> 00:22:05,204 Like that was the most shocking part for me was like, I read this in like three days. 307 00:22:05,204 --> 00:22:07,505 I just like could not put it down. 308 00:22:07,505 --> 00:22:08,846 The writing was so good. 309 00:22:08,846 --> 00:22:10,037 It was so fresh. 310 00:22:10,037 --> 00:22:12,869 It's not overly like wordy. 311 00:22:12,869 --> 00:22:15,681 I thought that it just like really packed a punch. 312 00:22:16,065 --> 00:22:18,130 And at certain points I felt like 313 00:22:18,130 --> 00:22:29,444 like almost reading a thriller because of the pacing and because like you felt this momentum building of like, wow, she has just made her entire life a dumpster fire and 314 00:22:29,444 --> 00:22:32,655 you're just like waiting for it to just unfold. 315 00:22:33,096 --> 00:22:35,515 And so then naturally I made Molly and Steph read it. 316 00:22:35,515 --> 00:22:36,315 all. 317 00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:37,686 I did 318 00:22:37,686 --> 00:22:44,500 not race through it because it made me so uncomfortable that I had to force myself to sit down and read it. 319 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:48,662 And that is not to say that it's not a fantastic book because it is. 320 00:22:50,284 --> 00:22:52,035 There's something so uncomfortable. 321 00:22:52,035 --> 00:22:53,666 mean, it's like multi -layered. 322 00:22:53,666 --> 00:23:01,710 It's so uncomfortable that a person can steal someone who she claims is more than an acquaintance. 323 00:23:01,710 --> 00:23:04,852 Her work, pass it off. 324 00:23:04,958 --> 00:23:07,700 and not feel any remorse about that. 325 00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:17,208 But then there's the other level of cringe of changing your name as an author to sound ambiguously Asian. 326 00:23:17,208 --> 00:23:23,393 So that way it's even a little bit less bad that you're pawning this work off as your own. 327 00:23:23,393 --> 00:23:26,836 It just, there were no right steps. 328 00:23:26,836 --> 00:23:32,541 And I kept hoping, you know, I like to think that there's a little bit of good in everyone. 329 00:23:32,541 --> 00:23:34,312 And I just kept waiting. 330 00:23:34,462 --> 00:23:42,087 for her to have some sort of remorse or something to happen where she would realize how wrong she was. 331 00:23:42,087 --> 00:23:47,471 And it hurt me to read this, but I'm glad that I did. 332 00:23:47,471 --> 00:23:49,502 I'm glad that you made me. 333 00:23:50,163 --> 00:23:57,298 I would definitely read anything else by RF Quang, but yeah, it made me incredibly uncomfortable. 334 00:23:57,936 --> 00:24:01,067 First, I want to say I would never steal either of your manuscripts. 335 00:24:01,307 --> 00:24:03,028 Just know that. 336 00:24:04,249 --> 00:24:08,810 This is a book, kind of like what Caitlin was saying, I had known about for a while. 337 00:24:09,111 --> 00:24:12,832 At my last PR agency, there was a book club and they did it as book club. 338 00:24:13,333 --> 00:24:18,154 I just couldn't, the schedule wasn't right for me to read it in time, so I didn't get to join the discussion. 339 00:24:18,195 --> 00:24:21,096 I saw in the Slack channel some of the musings afterward. 340 00:24:21,096 --> 00:24:22,897 And I was like, I really should probably get to that. 341 00:24:22,897 --> 00:24:24,898 But I did know that it was going to be kind of cringe. 342 00:24:24,898 --> 00:24:26,328 People sort of said 343 00:24:27,006 --> 00:24:38,106 I noted a few things I just wanted to mention, which is, Caitlin said this plot point already, but the opening sentence of this book is, night I watch Athena Lou die, we're 344 00:24:38,106 --> 00:24:40,557 celebrating her TV deal with Netflix. 345 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:43,380 Like, what a fricking opener. 346 00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:46,683 You're just right away like, what is this gonna be? 347 00:24:46,924 --> 00:24:53,469 And both of you have kind of already said this, but I just felt like this is about a person with no moral compass. 348 00:24:53,469 --> 00:24:54,650 Like she... 349 00:24:54,970 --> 00:25:02,222 did so many deplorable, disgusting things and found new ways to justify it to herself just over and over and over again. 350 00:25:02,222 --> 00:25:08,964 And every time you thought she'd hit rock bottom in terms of like the most deceitful things she could do, that was yet another layer. 351 00:25:08,964 --> 00:25:17,376 And I circled this little bit that said, she's talking about a summer course that she's teaching. 352 00:25:17,376 --> 00:25:23,608 This is kind of after the first like burst of fame from the book being published and she's kind of. 353 00:25:23,608 --> 00:25:24,374 cringe in this. 354 00:25:24,374 --> 00:25:32,522 right, so it says, I used to think that mean teachers were a special kind of monster, but it turns out that cruelty comes naturally. 355 00:25:32,522 --> 00:25:34,284 Also, it's fun. 356 00:25:34,284 --> 00:25:38,668 Teenagers, after all, are unformed identities with undeveloped brains. 357 00:25:38,668 --> 00:25:45,444 No matter how clever they are, they still don't know much about anything, and it's easy to embarrass them for their ill -prepared remarks. 358 00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:49,987 Can I tell you what that section I read and I was like, she's going to redeem herself. 359 00:25:49,987 --> 00:25:53,412 She's going to have like, she's going to be this amazing mentor. 360 00:25:54,542 --> 00:25:55,602 Yes, I know. 361 00:25:55,602 --> 00:26:00,654 So that was one of the ones where sometimes I felt like this book was like reaching out from the page and punching me in the face. 362 00:26:00,654 --> 00:26:09,947 Like the things were so brutal and so unbelievable and things she was making excuses for that just like I could never... 363 00:26:10,667 --> 00:26:14,988 You can't really sympathize with her ever and any move that she's making, which is hard. 364 00:26:15,088 --> 00:26:19,850 And then just the last bit, as everyone who listens regularly knows, I'm obsessed with the acknowledgments. 365 00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:20,850 always read 366 00:26:21,018 --> 00:26:31,032 Her opening bit in the acknowledgement says, Yellowface is in large part a horror story about loneliness and a fiercely competitive industry. 367 00:26:31,795 --> 00:26:34,468 I kind of wish I had read that sentence first. 368 00:26:35,005 --> 00:26:40,708 I, before I read the acknowledgement, I was like, this is coming full circle. 369 00:26:40,708 --> 00:26:51,173 Like she made fun of Athena for like not having any friends and like thinking like that June was her friend and that they should like go out celebrating and June's like happy to 370 00:26:51,173 --> 00:26:55,896 like have Athena pay the tab on all these drinks and like they're celebrating and whatnot, what have you. 371 00:26:55,896 --> 00:26:58,497 And then it comes full circle. 372 00:26:58,697 --> 00:27:07,785 And I think the big one of the big takeaways for me was yes, writing can be lonely, depending on how you set yourself up to do it. 373 00:27:08,146 --> 00:27:18,734 But in addition to that, June, the reason she was such a monster and a huge freaking bitch this entire book is because who was holding her accountable? 374 00:27:19,235 --> 00:27:21,037 She had no friends. 375 00:27:21,037 --> 00:27:26,061 There wasn't really anybody that she had to do a lot of lying to other than her editors. 376 00:27:26,597 --> 00:27:37,360 And in the few interactions there are with her parents, her parents basically like poo poo writing as a career, even when she's having this like super successful book that's not 377 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,761 hers, but they don't know that. 378 00:27:39,761 --> 00:27:46,482 And so she really doesn't have anyone in her life that would even raise an eyebrow at any of this. 379 00:27:46,903 --> 00:27:55,819 And she doesn't have to put in a lot of time or effort in lying or making up a sequence of lies that make sense and adhering to it. 380 00:27:55,819 --> 00:27:59,972 because there isn't anybody calling her out on her crap. 381 00:27:59,993 --> 00:28:04,837 Probably because she's not a very good person, so she hasn't really had any good friends. 382 00:28:04,837 --> 00:28:11,083 But I just thought it was really rich that she was making fun of Athena for not having anyone at the beginning of the book. 383 00:28:11,083 --> 00:28:15,487 then throughout the rest of the book, you're like, you know what, June? 384 00:28:15,487 --> 00:28:22,483 Take a look in the mirror, because you're basically the same, except you're not as talented, and you're a liar. 385 00:28:22,924 --> 00:28:30,524 What's interesting is when I looked up RF Kuang's timeline is she was published, I think, for the first time at 22. 386 00:28:30,524 --> 00:28:38,664 So I wonder if maybe this has been slightly taken pieces of Athena's life from her own life. 387 00:28:38,664 --> 00:28:41,754 Although who knows if anyone stole anything from her. 388 00:28:41,754 --> 00:28:43,705 But you have to wonder. 389 00:28:43,705 --> 00:28:50,107 but I feel like there were certain elements about the trajectory to get published that were so hyper -specific. 390 00:28:50,107 --> 00:28:57,689 It felt like it must be from personal experience and also the way she described how this book got sort of like the star treatment. 391 00:28:57,689 --> 00:29:07,121 And we know this because we're big readers and we follow this stuff closely, but like everything from how you get on the New York Times bestseller list and how that, you know, 392 00:29:07,121 --> 00:29:09,442 gets sustained or doesn't over time. 393 00:29:09,558 --> 00:29:14,080 the most prestigious speaking opportunities, the book tours, like all of those different elements. 394 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:20,402 I did feel like she must be pulling from what she experienced herself. 395 00:29:20,402 --> 00:29:29,486 And also, I'm sure that jealousy feeling comes to every author at some point doesn't make you a bad person to see that other people are soaring and feeling like, God, I wish I had 396 00:29:29,486 --> 00:29:30,106 that. 397 00:29:30,106 --> 00:29:36,129 But there was like a, I don't even know what word to use, like brutal is just the one I keep coming back to. 398 00:29:36,129 --> 00:29:39,320 There's this like brutal nature to the way that 399 00:29:39,398 --> 00:29:43,728 She was letting all these accolades roll in, knowing that it was all in a lie. 400 00:29:43,728 --> 00:29:46,298 That was just disgusting. 401 00:29:46,398 --> 00:29:53,658 And I think books like this can be hard to stick with because it feels so wrong. 402 00:29:53,658 --> 00:30:00,198 And you're like, am I going to do 200 more pages of just wrong and immoral and unethical? 403 00:30:00,198 --> 00:30:03,918 But I think the reason it works is because the writing is so good. 404 00:30:03,918 --> 00:30:07,190 And it feels like every word choice is intentional. 405 00:30:07,554 --> 00:30:10,736 Every inner monologue or dialogue moment serves a purpose. 406 00:30:10,736 --> 00:30:15,278 There's nothing superfluous in this book at all at any point. 407 00:30:15,379 --> 00:30:23,323 And even when there's, I don't know if it's right to say decline, but slow down is happening after the first burst of fame for the book and you're kind of like, where is 408 00:30:23,323 --> 00:30:24,004 this going? 409 00:30:24,004 --> 00:30:24,954 Is she gonna get caught? 410 00:30:24,954 --> 00:30:26,545 Is she not gonna get caught? 411 00:30:27,086 --> 00:30:34,750 Even then, it's still felt kind of heart -pounding because you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop and. 412 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:42,681 I felt like for such a almost serious topic, it didn't feel very like adrenaline -y in a way that you wouldn't 413 00:30:44,065 --> 00:30:50,630 There's only like, I would say one moment where she like really sweats about it. 414 00:30:50,630 --> 00:31:00,135 And I'm not going to say what the moment is because it's like a pretty pivotal part of the book, but there's really only one moment where she is like actually sweating and like 415 00:31:00,135 --> 00:31:02,918 actually considering what the consequences are. 416 00:31:02,918 --> 00:31:07,901 And at that moment I was like, she's a psychopath. 417 00:31:09,162 --> 00:31:10,953 Like it took until that moment. 418 00:31:10,953 --> 00:31:13,407 And I'll tell you when we're off air, what it is, but 419 00:31:13,407 --> 00:31:26,148 It took until that I was like, we're dealing with somebody who, or maybe borderline personality disorder, something where people don't really comprehend consequences in a 420 00:31:26,148 --> 00:31:32,113 normal way, or if they do comprehend consequences, they don't really care about them. 421 00:31:32,113 --> 00:31:35,476 Because at no point is she like, this isn't worth it. 422 00:31:35,476 --> 00:31:36,917 I'm stressing myself out. 423 00:31:36,917 --> 00:31:38,588 She's not losing sleep over this. 424 00:31:38,588 --> 00:31:41,440 That's the really disturbing part about it. 425 00:31:41,597 --> 00:31:44,815 And that just like propels you to wanna like read more. 426 00:31:44,815 --> 00:31:47,657 I was like, I've never met a lady like this. 427 00:31:47,657 --> 00:31:53,121 I need to know more about this psycho, because that's really what she is. 428 00:31:53,121 --> 00:31:58,345 It's really psychotic behavior, and she has nobody calling her out on anything. 429 00:31:58,983 --> 00:32:04,988 As someone currently outside of the publishing industry, it made me a little terrified of it. 430 00:32:05,348 --> 00:32:15,136 And I mean, obviously this could be caricatures of life in it, but like the editor, the publicist, all of that, I was like, is 431 00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:25,646 what it's really like inside the publishing industry because it doesn't sound like, you know, you read so many acknowledgments because we have read so many books in the past 432 00:32:25,646 --> 00:32:34,101 couple years and it sounds like everyone is so supportive and loving and just welcoming and then you read a book like this and you're like, what's actually happening in the 433 00:32:34,101 --> 00:32:35,582 publishing industry? 434 00:32:36,479 --> 00:32:40,623 Yeah, it sounds pretty vapid if the book has any reality to it. 435 00:32:40,623 --> 00:32:43,454 But I also think it depends on... 436 00:32:45,477 --> 00:32:46,818 This is like a huge assumption. 437 00:32:46,818 --> 00:32:58,448 This is not like factor research based, but like, I think if you're writing literary fiction, you are with some real elitist snobs in terms of the publishing industry. 438 00:32:58,448 --> 00:33:05,025 Like you're with like the upper echelon, like you're brushing shoulders with people that are like, you 439 00:33:05,025 --> 00:33:13,790 Booker nominated, Nobel nominated, like elite pompous, know, Alice Monroe types, if you will. 440 00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:21,395 And I think that that's like what RF is like getting to in her book. 441 00:33:21,395 --> 00:33:31,541 And I think that if you maybe do like romance novels or you like write collections of essays or like you're a humorist or, know, 442 00:33:31,681 --> 00:33:39,103 then you probably have like, better opportunities to share with other people. 443 00:33:39,103 --> 00:33:42,395 books than that because... 444 00:33:43,567 --> 00:33:51,832 think that you attract the people that are like, I'd like to think that you attract the type of people that are the characters in your books. 445 00:33:51,932 --> 00:33:57,675 And so I have a feeling like when you're in the literary fiction circles, it can get a bleak, cold. 446 00:34:02,123 --> 00:34:10,627 you know, very, I would say it's probably the equivalent of just like being like a social climber, like wanting to have the accolades and all of that. 447 00:34:10,627 --> 00:34:12,888 And it's not about like the fans and the writing. 448 00:34:12,888 --> 00:34:14,949 It's about like the numbers and the awards. 449 00:34:14,949 --> 00:34:17,700 And it gets a little gross. 450 00:34:17,721 --> 00:34:18,931 That's my hope anyway. 451 00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:21,042 Like I said, not fact based. 452 00:34:21,042 --> 00:34:27,425 These are assumptions, but this is, I feel like that is maybe how it goes. 453 00:34:27,511 --> 00:34:35,708 The other thing that I was thinking about when I got to the end of this is oftentimes I finish something and right away my first thought is like, my God, I hope this becomes like 454 00:34:35,708 --> 00:34:37,259 a TV show or a movie. 455 00:34:37,259 --> 00:34:40,842 And with this, I was like, I don't think I could handle this. 456 00:34:42,464 --> 00:34:45,476 I think it would be nearly impossible. 457 00:34:45,518 --> 00:34:55,087 And I also wonder if taking it into the visual medium might somehow soften her villainess in a way that like shouldn't happen. 458 00:34:55,588 --> 00:35:00,563 And I rarely am like, done with this, but I just, I don't know. 459 00:35:00,563 --> 00:35:05,607 There was something about how much it like shook me that I was like, I don't think this should come to the screen. 460 00:35:05,607 --> 00:35:08,910 I was picturing when I was reading it, I was 461 00:35:11,869 --> 00:35:13,189 what is her name? 462 00:35:13,690 --> 00:35:17,030 She was just in that movie, book to movie. 463 00:35:17,331 --> 00:35:19,471 my God, married to Ashton Kutcher. 464 00:35:20,212 --> 00:35:21,572 Mila Kutniss. 465 00:35:21,672 --> 00:35:38,397 I was thinking of her in Lucky is Girl Alive, where she's like just a beast, like one setting of like, I'm gonna work out, my clothes are gonna be pristine. 466 00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:40,410 I'm going to be like super fancy. 467 00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:42,310 I'm going to like shun my past. 468 00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:47,752 I don't want to, you know, she makes a whole new persona for herself in that book and in that movie. 469 00:35:47,752 --> 00:35:53,733 And the new persona is like kind of like a caddy bitch, if I'm, if I might. 470 00:35:53,733 --> 00:35:59,315 And I just kept picturing June being like that. 471 00:35:59,515 --> 00:36:07,338 Not necessarily like looking like her, but just that like really determined, like fierce, like get out of my way, bitch mode kind of stuff. 472 00:36:07,338 --> 00:36:09,269 And I don't want that. 473 00:36:09,269 --> 00:36:11,571 I know it is not me, but I'm saying that I'm just going to keep it. 474 00:36:11,571 --> 00:36:18,105 It was probably a good thing, but I think that it would probably be a good thing. 475 00:36:18,726 --> 00:36:25,110 What's also interesting, you just made me realize that it, her attacks are always through email. 476 00:36:25,110 --> 00:36:27,904 They're like never face to face throughout this 477 00:36:27,904 --> 00:36:31,207 which is so easy to do when you're not face to face with someone. 478 00:36:31,207 --> 00:36:41,817 And then, for example, when she goes to, I forget what the event is for, there's a woman who meets her at the train station to take her to this event. 479 00:36:41,817 --> 00:36:51,286 And that's like the first face to face where she just wants to high tail it out of there because she's realizing she can't go through with, well, she's not realizing that, she's 480 00:36:51,286 --> 00:36:53,047 realizing she doesn't want to. 481 00:36:55,008 --> 00:37:01,313 But I feel like she's not as fierce as the character in Luckiest Girl Live because everything she does is like an attack through email. 482 00:37:01,354 --> 00:37:06,677 You know, it's not like she's actually going out there facing the person, having the altercation. 483 00:37:06,677 --> 00:37:09,539 to the loneliness, right? 484 00:37:09,959 --> 00:37:13,091 After that happens in the book, she's like, I don't want to do anymore. 485 00:37:13,091 --> 00:37:15,413 I don't want to do a publicity tour. 486 00:37:15,413 --> 00:37:18,214 I don't want to go kiss babies and sign books. 487 00:37:18,214 --> 00:37:19,765 I don't want to do any of that. 488 00:37:19,825 --> 00:37:21,386 And she just kind of holds up. 489 00:37:21,386 --> 00:37:31,412 And I think that, I think if you don't have a thick skin and you can't handle any criticism, then like that, that's going to happen pretty quickly because you're writing 490 00:37:31,412 --> 00:37:33,643 something that's going out into the universe. 491 00:37:34,763 --> 00:37:37,095 Whether or not that's a good thing, I don't know. 492 00:37:37,095 --> 00:37:45,241 I was kind of glad about it because I wanted to see her squirm because she didn't really squirm very often in the book. 493 00:37:46,082 --> 00:37:47,213 I thought it was really good. 494 00:37:47,213 --> 00:37:48,774 I would recommend it to a lot of people. 495 00:37:48,774 --> 00:37:50,265 I thought it was really fast paced. 496 00:37:50,265 --> 00:37:51,586 I thought it was well written. 497 00:37:51,586 --> 00:37:53,667 It made me think a lot. 498 00:37:54,188 --> 00:37:59,912 If everything about the publishing industry is true in that book, then I've learned a lot of things too. 499 00:37:59,978 --> 00:38:01,058 too. 500 00:38:01,379 --> 00:38:03,240 yeah, it was good. 501 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,662 Ellie actually read it in her teacher book club. 502 00:38:06,783 --> 00:38:12,177 And when I said that people are it and we were doing an episode about it, she was like, wow, that book is intense. 503 00:38:12,177 --> 00:38:13,057 That's how she described it. 504 00:38:13,057 --> 00:38:14,198 She goes, it's intense. 505 00:38:14,198 --> 00:38:16,409 That's all it is. 506 00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:19,615 And she was right. 507 00:38:19,615 --> 00:38:20,976 about what we're reading? 508 00:38:21,136 --> 00:38:21,706 I can start. 509 00:38:21,706 --> 00:38:28,781 I am reading a book called Margo's Got Money Troubles, which is by Rufy Thorpe. 510 00:38:28,781 --> 00:38:31,042 I'm not mispronouncing this, R -U -F -I. 511 00:38:31,303 --> 00:38:33,545 And I have seen this book everywhere. 512 00:38:33,545 --> 00:38:41,830 I've seen it on like best new releases, best summer reading, and then also many friends whose book taste I really like and respect started reading it on 513 00:38:42,834 --> 00:38:47,247 so when I was up in New Hampshire, there's a independent bookstore there called the country bookseller that I love. 514 00:38:47,247 --> 00:38:49,588 And I always try to make at least some purchases while I'm there. 515 00:38:49,588 --> 00:38:50,959 So I decided to get it. 516 00:38:52,260 --> 00:39:03,786 This book, I was telling Steph this yesterday is just so singular that I cannot even come up really with another book to compare it to the main character. 517 00:39:03,786 --> 00:39:06,858 Margot has an affair with her English professor. 518 00:39:06,858 --> 00:39:08,008 This is not giving anything away. 519 00:39:08,008 --> 00:39:11,200 is on page one and she gets pregnant. 520 00:39:11,398 --> 00:39:14,098 And she has to figure out what to do. 521 00:39:14,098 --> 00:39:19,438 That premise is one that's been told a million times about young person gets pregnant trying to figure out what to do. 522 00:39:19,438 --> 00:39:28,568 But the next things that happen are so specific and strange that it's just like a universe that I didn't know could exist. 523 00:39:28,568 --> 00:39:37,758 For example, her dad is like a famous WWE wrestler and comes back into her life to help her raise this baby. 524 00:39:37,758 --> 00:39:41,278 So she's 20 with a newborn with this 525 00:39:41,822 --> 00:39:42,282 money. 526 00:39:42,282 --> 00:39:46,902 WWE star living with her like making bottles and burping the baby. 527 00:39:47,322 --> 00:39:52,742 She also decides to make money to start an OnlyFans account. 528 00:39:53,162 --> 00:40:01,922 Which I'm always surprised when authors like add something to the plot that's so specific to a certain period of time because who knows how long that site will be around or if 10 529 00:40:01,922 --> 00:40:04,482 years from now people even remember what it is. 530 00:40:04,482 --> 00:40:08,432 But there's so much detail around like how that website works. 531 00:40:08,432 --> 00:40:10,423 how you get people to become your subscribers. 532 00:40:10,423 --> 00:40:21,998 It's just the world that she's created for this character is so unusual that I'm enthralled because like it's all foreign to me and I'm just trying to understand how 533 00:40:21,998 --> 00:40:23,469 everything works. 534 00:40:23,929 --> 00:40:26,750 Her writing is really strong. 535 00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:29,931 The inner monologue of Margo is great. 536 00:40:30,052 --> 00:40:31,733 And I have no idea where it's going. 537 00:40:31,733 --> 00:40:32,393 Like at all. 538 00:40:32,393 --> 00:40:33,984 I can't tell where we're headed. 539 00:40:33,984 --> 00:40:35,294 I can't tell. 540 00:40:36,102 --> 00:40:37,702 what's going to happen next. 541 00:40:37,702 --> 00:40:49,282 I'm on page like 210 out of like 350 and I'm just in like this weird land where I want to understand what is going to happen to this strange set of characters. 542 00:40:49,282 --> 00:40:59,062 And I think it's amazing that a book that's about a pretty like unhappy topic, unwanted motherhood, is like climbing all these lists. 543 00:41:00,543 --> 00:41:10,936 So a couple years ago on TikTok, I follow this woman named Tara on TikTok and she's like an influencer. 544 00:41:11,036 --> 00:41:19,799 She lives in LA, she's from Rhode Island and I stumbled upon her because she's a Harry Styles super fan. 545 00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:27,961 And when he did his residency in LA, she went to every single show and was buying pit tickets. 546 00:41:28,439 --> 00:41:29,370 for every single show. 547 00:41:29,370 --> 00:41:33,301 I don't know if you've seen the meme that's like, I'm gonna be in the pit. 548 00:41:33,742 --> 00:41:34,524 Okay, well, 549 00:41:34,524 --> 00:41:35,804 that's this girl. 550 00:41:36,685 --> 00:41:38,866 So she starts blowing up on TikTok. 551 00:41:38,866 --> 00:41:42,548 She gets into my algorithm via Harry Styles. 552 00:41:43,548 --> 00:41:50,752 She posts a video that TikTok then bans and I'm following her on Instagram at this point too. 553 00:41:51,092 --> 00:41:53,013 And I'm like, what's going on? 554 00:41:53,353 --> 00:42:03,022 Essentially, she said on her TikTok, like before all these brands started being interested in me, like around the Harry Styles content and everything, because she's posting all 555 00:42:03,022 --> 00:42:07,086 these videos like at the Harry, you know, and like her numbers are just blowing up. 556 00:42:07,086 --> 00:42:11,900 So then brands start approaching her and now she's an influencer, et cetera, et cetera. 557 00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:18,696 And she had gone on TikTok and said, like, I, my profession is I'm a sex worker on OnlyFans. 558 00:42:19,117 --> 00:42:19,967 And 559 00:42:19,967 --> 00:42:30,426 Tick up banned the video and so she then had to like put it on her YouTube channel and put it on Instagram like all these places and she has to very sneakily talk about her OF stuff 560 00:42:30,426 --> 00:42:43,338 now but she rents out like one of those bungalows at the Beverly Hills Hotel to like film content because some of her subscribers are like they get 561 00:42:43,338 --> 00:42:46,039 personal made videos. 562 00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:47,981 like, and she's not 563 00:42:47,981 --> 00:42:49,231 She's like a sex worker. 564 00:42:49,231 --> 00:42:52,871 She's basically like a paid, like a really well -paid stripper. 565 00:42:52,871 --> 00:42:57,641 Like she's not necessarily doing stuff with other people from what I know. 566 00:42:57,981 --> 00:43:01,871 And she just bought like a $3 million house in LA. 567 00:43:01,871 --> 00:43:03,721 Like she makes so much money. 568 00:43:03,721 --> 00:43:11,941 And now it's because she has these brand deals too, but these brands know that she makes most of her living off of only fans. 569 00:43:11,941 --> 00:43:13,241 And they're like, yeah, okay, whatever. 570 00:43:13,241 --> 00:43:15,541 One of them's bloom nutrition. 571 00:43:15,627 --> 00:43:22,541 like there's a bunch of like yoga and feature -wear which you wear, it's like all sorts of different stuff. 572 00:43:22,541 --> 00:43:25,152 It's like, how sweet is this? 573 00:43:25,652 --> 00:43:30,084 Yeah, excuse me, like one sort of thing. 574 00:43:30,084 --> 00:43:37,268 So I found out about that book because Jimmy Fallon had it as one of his picks for his book book, which did get picked later. 575 00:43:37,268 --> 00:43:41,540 The God of the Woods, which was the home of the... 576 00:43:41,904 --> 00:43:42,885 it's her second book. 577 00:43:42,885 --> 00:43:44,005 She wrote. 578 00:43:45,619 --> 00:43:49,692 It was a mystery about a sister who... 579 00:43:50,292 --> 00:43:52,994 It's a mystery about a sister whose... 580 00:43:54,115 --> 00:44:00,780 It's two sisters in Philly and one of the sisters is a cop and the other sister goes missing. 581 00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:02,310 Bright River, something. 582 00:44:02,310 --> 00:44:04,327 I own, don't I own that in hardcover actually? 583 00:44:04,327 --> 00:44:05,491 I think so. 584 00:44:05,491 --> 00:44:07,082 That was a fantastic book. 585 00:44:07,082 --> 00:44:11,870 is the woman's second book, and that's what got voted for Fallon's book club. 586 00:44:12,762 --> 00:44:16,973 Long Bright River by Liz Moore. 587 00:44:17,076 --> 00:44:21,136 Yeah, I would recommend that to anyone listening if you like sort of like mysteries. 588 00:44:21,136 --> 00:44:22,588 It's fantastic. 589 00:44:23,371 --> 00:44:23,801 Yeah. 590 00:44:23,801 --> 00:44:24,441 would describe it. 591 00:44:24,441 --> 00:44:25,322 That was really good. 592 00:44:25,322 --> 00:44:33,355 So Jimmy Fallon, if you are interested in following his book club at all, he does a reading schedule. 593 00:44:33,396 --> 00:44:39,038 So he says, we're going to be talking about pages such and such to such and such on this Friday's episode. 594 00:44:39,038 --> 00:44:44,761 then so if you finish it by August 18th, you'll be on schedule with 595 00:44:44,843 --> 00:44:52,279 which I haven't bought that book yet because it's kind of a tome and it's hardcover and I'm really trying not to buy hard covers even though the book I'm about to talk about is a 596 00:44:52,279 --> 00:44:53,230 hard cover. 597 00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:54,500 Weird. 598 00:44:54,761 --> 00:44:59,104 So I'm reading The Faculty Lounge by Jennifer Matieu. 599 00:44:59,145 --> 00:45:00,585 Matieu. 600 00:45:01,086 --> 00:45:02,087 Me too. 601 00:45:02,087 --> 00:45:03,488 Matieu. 602 00:45:04,049 --> 00:45:05,950 My French is not so hot. 603 00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:07,631 Matieu I'm going to go with. 604 00:45:07,631 --> 00:45:08,973 Or Mateu. 605 00:45:08,973 --> 00:45:09,993 Don't know. 606 00:45:10,143 --> 00:45:13,036 -A -T -H -I -E -U. 607 00:45:13,036 --> 00:45:14,412 Sorry, Jennifer. 608 00:45:14,412 --> 00:45:15,653 we phone a friend? 609 00:45:16,462 --> 00:45:18,774 I should have maybe done a little Googling. 610 00:45:18,774 --> 00:45:26,830 Anyway, she wrote the book Moxie, which was turned into a Netflix movie and produced by Amy Poehler. 611 00:45:27,131 --> 00:45:32,255 She has written four five other YA books and this is her first adult book. 612 00:45:32,796 --> 00:45:34,777 She is a teacher. 613 00:45:34,797 --> 00:45:39,461 She has written and published six books and has not stopped being a teacher. 614 00:45:39,461 --> 00:45:42,944 My best guess is she likes having health insurance paid for. 615 00:45:43,983 --> 00:45:49,485 she is both a book and a The faculty lunch. 616 00:45:49,785 --> 00:45:53,727 I read the description of this. 617 00:45:53,727 --> 00:45:54,627 could think of it. 618 00:45:54,627 --> 00:45:55,978 I could read it. 619 00:45:55,978 --> 00:45:57,428 was like new. 620 00:45:57,428 --> 00:46:00,549 New books coming out this office. 621 00:46:00,750 --> 00:46:01,193 And I... 622 00:46:01,193 --> 00:46:06,633 I immediately like gravitated towards it because the premise is so good. 623 00:46:06,653 --> 00:46:12,641 The premise is there's an 82 year old retired teacher at this Houston. 624 00:46:12,845 --> 00:46:17,125 public high school, 4 ,000 students, Baldwin High School is the name of it. 625 00:46:17,125 --> 00:46:20,535 He's retired from the school and he comes back to substitute teach. 626 00:46:20,535 --> 00:46:22,225 I know a million people like this. 627 00:46:22,225 --> 00:46:30,805 Everybody wants the former teachers to be their subs because they mean business and like work will get done in your absence. 628 00:46:31,565 --> 00:46:36,239 He sits down on the couch in the faculty lounge, kills over and dies. 629 00:46:37,786 --> 00:46:49,045 that happens within the first pages of So then, they have to wait for the quarantine office to come and they to put a shoe in head that and all the faculty and staff have to 630 00:46:49,045 --> 00:47:01,324 come to the front door and say please don't go the front door, there's something It's so funny, but also so dark and so something that would happen. 631 00:47:01,324 --> 00:47:04,145 I was thinking that there was a car, but there was nobody tied up. 632 00:47:04,145 --> 00:47:05,055 at the high school. 633 00:47:05,055 --> 00:47:06,045 Probably. 634 00:47:06,146 --> 00:47:09,068 Like, if I know that it was next summer, did anyone die there? 635 00:47:09,813 --> 00:47:18,157 And each chapter kind of shows a different perspective of a, of a different teacher at the school. 636 00:47:18,157 --> 00:47:22,909 So you've got like the seasoned salty veteran teachers that have been there a million years. 637 00:47:22,909 --> 00:47:28,301 You've got the new principal that's like trying to keep things organized. 638 00:47:28,417 --> 00:47:29,427 and up and down. 639 00:47:29,427 --> 00:47:34,990 And then you've got two new teachers that like, fall in a closet during the lockdown period. 640 00:47:34,990 --> 00:47:39,684 And they're like, just walking towards the door, are you gonna take care of it? 641 00:47:39,684 --> 00:47:41,676 think this is like your lifelong career? 642 00:47:41,676 --> 00:47:43,427 And the other one's like, probably not. 643 00:47:43,427 --> 00:47:44,608 But like, what else am I going to do? 644 00:47:44,608 --> 00:47:47,100 Like, it's so real. 645 00:47:47,140 --> 00:47:48,531 And it's so funny. 646 00:47:48,531 --> 00:47:53,145 But it's like, every other paragraph I'm nodding along like, yep, that happened to me. 647 00:47:53,145 --> 00:47:54,396 That also happened to me. 648 00:47:54,396 --> 00:47:57,369 Yep, that would that totally would happen to me. 649 00:47:57,369 --> 00:47:58,059 And 650 00:47:58,059 --> 00:48:01,111 The next page I'm like laughing so hard I'm crying. 651 00:48:01,111 --> 00:48:04,243 And then the next page I'm like, I feel bad for these people. 652 00:48:04,243 --> 00:48:06,184 Like, been there, done that. 653 00:48:06,184 --> 00:48:08,326 And like, that is not a pleasant thing to go through. 654 00:48:08,326 --> 00:48:19,944 And it's just like, you're going to read it and you're going to be like, we should be paying teachers a million dollars a year because you just like, in like a very concise, 655 00:48:19,944 --> 00:48:21,505 well -written way. 656 00:48:22,871 --> 00:48:29,489 this author has like completely captured what it's like to be in public school because in public school you get everybody. 657 00:48:29,489 --> 00:48:33,873 You have to deal with every kind of person, every kind of kid, their parents. 658 00:48:33,954 --> 00:48:40,873 You're dealing with older teachers, younger teachers, teachers that think they know everything, teachers that probably shouldn't be there anymore. 659 00:48:40,873 --> 00:48:42,324 It's just... 660 00:48:43,371 --> 00:48:45,034 I've been telling everybody to read it. 661 00:48:45,034 --> 00:48:51,947 I'm only halfway through it I'm like, I don't even care how this ends because each chapter could be like a standalone short story almost. 662 00:48:51,947 --> 00:48:53,120 It's so good. 663 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,221 I'm loving 664 00:48:55,737 --> 00:49:01,789 Okay, I read earlier this week, We Don't Swim Here by Vincent Tirado. 665 00:49:01,789 --> 00:49:04,137 I think Belmont Books 666 00:49:04,137 --> 00:49:05,740 I think I'll go. 667 00:49:06,474 --> 00:49:14,136 I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that they had this in their employee recommendation section a while ago. 668 00:49:14,136 --> 00:49:20,938 it is, I guess I would describe it as like a YA ghost story almost. 669 00:49:20,938 --> 00:49:34,832 It's about this young girl, Bronwyn, whose family ends up moving, they say for a year, to the small town that her father grew up in because her grandmother is in an old folks home 670 00:49:34,832 --> 00:49:36,392 and is not doing well. 671 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:42,342 But in the meantime, he's not been speaking to his brother who still lives in the town. 672 00:49:42,342 --> 00:49:45,864 So Bronwyn has a cousin there, but they aren't really close. 673 00:49:46,064 --> 00:49:49,325 And the town motto is we don't swim here. 674 00:49:49,325 --> 00:49:51,756 And no one will tell Bronwyn why. 675 00:49:51,756 --> 00:49:52,706 And she's a swimmer. 676 00:49:52,706 --> 00:49:56,408 So she's like, what do mean there's no water in the pool at the gym? 677 00:49:56,689 --> 00:49:59,009 What do you mean I'm not supposed to swim at the lake? 678 00:50:00,450 --> 00:50:05,052 So I don't know how to really get into this without. 679 00:50:05,482 --> 00:50:05,972 ruining it. 680 00:50:05,972 --> 00:50:08,954 But basically there are a lot of rules in this town. 681 00:50:09,095 --> 00:50:10,366 Everyone knows about them. 682 00:50:10,366 --> 00:50:11,587 Everyone abides by them. 683 00:50:11,587 --> 00:50:19,744 Because if you don't, there is a chance that the ghost who lives in the lake will come out and drag you back into the lake with her type thing. 684 00:50:19,744 --> 00:50:28,100 But you don't really know for most of the story if this is just like some stupid thing that parents have told their children just to like keep them in line. 685 00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:33,535 You know, like go to bed at the time you're going to say and like don't have parties and that sort of thing. 686 00:50:33,535 --> 00:50:35,148 Or if it's actually 687 00:50:35,148 --> 00:50:36,828 a true thing. 688 00:50:37,348 --> 00:50:40,988 I would say like half the book you're sort of like, is this real? 689 00:50:40,988 --> 00:50:43,568 Or is it just parents keeping kids in line? 690 00:50:43,568 --> 00:50:45,968 Because the kids don't really talk to the parents about it. 691 00:50:45,968 --> 00:50:50,828 It's just sort of like the kids talk amongst themselves about certain rules. 692 00:50:51,468 --> 00:50:58,708 And every, think it's 10 years or so, a body basically has been claimed and ended up in the lake. 693 00:50:58,988 --> 00:51:00,650 this... 694 00:51:00,650 --> 00:51:12,003 journalism student from college comes to the town and Bronwyn meets her at the library and is sort of like researching how did all these people die in the last however many years. 695 00:51:12,543 --> 00:51:17,235 And that's how Bronwyn, since no one will tell her the rules, because they're like, you're just living here for a year. 696 00:51:17,235 --> 00:51:18,495 You don't need to know what the rules are. 697 00:51:18,495 --> 00:51:21,126 Just keep to yourself. 698 00:51:21,346 --> 00:51:25,287 So she starts understanding what the heck is going on in this town. 699 00:51:25,287 --> 00:51:29,288 And then it becomes more of a ghost story as you go on. 700 00:51:29,448 --> 00:51:30,549 It was fast -paced. 701 00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:32,569 was fantastically written. 702 00:51:33,630 --> 00:51:36,471 don't know if Vincent has written another book. 703 00:51:36,471 --> 00:51:38,412 no, Vincent does have one more book. 704 00:51:39,133 --> 00:51:42,004 But I hope there are many more because this was like a fun why. 705 00:51:42,004 --> 00:51:43,855 I mean, it did actually freak me out a little bit. 706 00:51:43,855 --> 00:51:46,866 I was reading it at night time, but it was great. 707 00:51:47,590 --> 00:51:51,770 Also, just while we're on the YA subject, I don't think I had a chance to tell either of you this. 708 00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:54,150 So my cousin Lila's 13. 709 00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:57,590 She's a huge reader, was a huge Harry Potter fan. 710 00:51:57,590 --> 00:52:07,190 I found out while we were in New Hampshire that she read the whole Divergent series, the whole Hunger Games series, and she had just finished Delirium. 711 00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:11,102 And I was like, we did this episode about Lauren Oliver. 712 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:16,364 So when we all parted ways at the end of the vacation, she texted me, thanks so much for the book recommendations. 713 00:52:16,364 --> 00:52:18,134 I just started panic. 714 00:52:19,276 --> 00:52:21,136 It was so cool. 715 00:52:21,958 --> 00:52:27,920 Honestly though, it was so cool to like hear that she's reading books that we read and loved as adults. 716 00:52:28,022 --> 00:52:32,995 And it makes me feel like as she continues to get older, I'll be able to make like more and more sophisticated recommendations. 717 00:52:32,995 --> 00:52:37,768 But I never read YA until you two started encouraging me to do that. 718 00:52:37,768 --> 00:52:39,650 And I feel like now I have this common ground with her. 719 00:52:39,650 --> 00:52:40,450 That's 720 00:52:43,089 --> 00:52:44,649 so yes, stuff. 721 00:52:44,649 --> 00:52:58,309 I understand what you're saying about it being like a little old for a 13 year old, but also 13 year olds have social media and watch a lot of shows and you know, things that we 722 00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:59,089 did. 723 00:52:59,209 --> 00:53:08,689 And like, I think about my 13 year old self and like, was watching Dawson's Creek and 90210 and all these things that like, I may or may not have, should have been watching and 724 00:53:08,689 --> 00:53:09,889 I lived. 725 00:53:10,424 --> 00:53:15,477 Also her favorite show right now is the original full house, which just like cracks me up. 726 00:53:18,179 --> 00:53:22,141 I think it's just like, I think the laugh track is just like soothing. 727 00:53:22,405 --> 00:53:25,245 Yeah, that's probably that's probably true. 728 00:53:25,445 --> 00:53:32,093 If I was gonna like tell a 13 year old right now to like go and watch an old show, I think I'd go say by the bell. 729 00:53:32,671 --> 00:53:33,344 -hmm. 730 00:53:33,344 --> 00:53:35,489 feel like Boy Meets World is kind of a classic. 731 00:53:35,489 --> 00:53:37,069 That is a classic. 732 00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:38,551 That is a classic. 733 00:53:38,551 --> 00:53:47,595 And every year I show the Wonder Years because every year that I have taught middle school, there has been a coming of age unit because that's just how Massachusetts rolls. 734 00:53:47,635 --> 00:53:57,420 And every year I show the original Wonder Years and every year I have at least five kids be like, I finished the whole series because that series just still resonates. 735 00:53:58,361 --> 00:53:59,561 It's so good. 736 00:53:59,644 --> 00:54:01,265 so good. 737 00:54:01,265 --> 00:54:10,490 If you want to follow along with all our favorite things, books, TV shows, movies, things from our youth, you can give us a follow on Instagram at PlansAreBooked. 738 00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:18,574 If you have an idea for a future episode or just want to share feedback on anything that you heard, you can write to us at plansarebooked at gmail 739 00:54:19,743 --> 00:54:23,242 And until next time, our plans are booked.