WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:02.488 --> 00:00:02.518 Tey: Oh, 00:00:12.595 --> 00:00:17.375 I don't know how far in advance I'm listening to episodes. 00:00:17.615 --> 00:00:20.195 So, am I the first guest? 00:00:20.195 --> 00:00:21.018 Alison : You're the first guest. 00:00:21.018 --> 00:00:22.218 You're the first guest. 00:00:23.418 --> 00:00:24.415 Tey: I'm of gonna cry! 00:00:25.368 --> 00:00:26.791 That's that's beautiful. 00:00:28.005 --> 00:00:28.845 Matt Start: Hi Alison. 00:00:28.875 --> 00:00:29.595 Hi, Alison. 00:00:29.880 --> 00:00:30.360 Alison : Hi Matt. 00:00:30.360 --> 00:00:30.810 Hi Matt. 00:00:30.815 --> 00:00:31.470 I'm so excited. 00:00:32.040 --> 00:00:34.110 Matt Start: I know we're super psyched today because... 00:00:34.623 --> 00:00:37.813 ... Alison : we have our very first guest for ADHd20! 00:00:37.813 --> 00:00:38.423 Matt Start: Doooooh! 00:00:38.883 --> 00:00:39.663 That's amazing. 00:00:39.993 --> 00:00:46.833 Yeah, it's our very first guest and he's someone that we both respect so, so much. 00:00:46.886 --> 00:00:48.147 He's an inspiration to us. 00:00:48.147 --> 00:00:52.821 He is, a kind of a full time, game master for you every Thursday night. 00:00:52.821 --> 00:00:54.186 Alison : Living the dream. 00:00:54.416 --> 00:00:58.745 That GMing for me is the dream, but like being a full time game master. 00:00:58.937 --> 00:00:59.519 Tey: It is. 00:00:59.589 --> 00:01:02.399 Matt Start: Yes, is, it is., 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:05.367 Tey: That's how I, that's how I'll introduce my voice. 00:01:05.397 --> 00:01:06.957 Hi everyone. 00:01:07.197 --> 00:01:08.787 I'm Alejandro Tey. 00:01:08.897 --> 00:01:16.057 I use he/him pronouns and I am living the dream of being Alison's GM every Thursday. 00:01:16.060 --> 00:01:16.870 That is the dream. 00:01:17.030 --> 00:01:18.430 Matt Start: That's the perfect intro. 00:01:18.460 --> 00:01:22.552 Alison : So, you guys have heard me talk about Tabletale Games, 00:01:22.552 --> 00:01:24.035 I feel like in most episodes. 00:01:24.035 --> 00:01:27.785 Because Thursdays, they're the days that I get to play with the Tabletale crew. 00:01:28.265 --> 00:01:30.465 They're my favorite days of the week now, because of that. 00:01:30.529 --> 00:01:31.039 So yeah. 00:01:31.072 --> 00:01:32.723 Give us, give us a little introduction. 00:01:32.728 --> 00:01:35.003 Tell us about yourself and then tell us about Tabletale. 00:01:35.613 --> 00:01:37.423 Tey: Bwawm!! 00:01:37.983 --> 00:01:41.613 The year is 2020. 00:01:41.685 --> 00:01:42.745 It is January. 00:01:43.965 --> 00:01:49.785 Everything is going great in the life of this sweet little theater nerd. 00:01:49.859 --> 00:01:56.734 I'm getting ready to, start a workshop production of my play, The 00:01:56.734 --> 00:02:03.280 Isle of Sugar, which is a tabletop RPG slash theater experience, that 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:08.020 is also based in my grandparents' experience with the Cuban revolution. 00:02:08.440 --> 00:02:09.400 So yeah. 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:10.030 Oh my gosh. 00:02:10.030 --> 00:02:10.990 We should talk about this. 00:02:11.140 --> 00:02:11.500 Yeah. 00:02:11.530 --> 00:02:14.410 So how to take an uninitiated audience member, cuz that's 00:02:14.410 --> 00:02:15.640 the thing with RPGs, right? 00:02:15.640 --> 00:02:16.069 Is like. 00:02:16.069 --> 00:02:20.912 you go in knowing I'm gonna play an RPG, even if you don't know the rules, someone 00:02:20.912 --> 00:02:23.782 has said here's what you need to know about the rules, or don't worry, I'll 00:02:23.782 --> 00:02:26.662 walk you through the rules, but you know you're gonna go into play in an RPG. 00:02:26.992 --> 00:02:30.363 So, so the question there was, how do you take an uninitiated audience 00:02:30.363 --> 00:02:34.533 member, an audience member who's maybe just like I'm coming in to do a play. 00:02:34.563 --> 00:02:36.393 Maybe I've heard there's some participation. 00:02:36.398 --> 00:02:37.383 That's all I know. 00:02:37.863 --> 00:02:41.823 And then secretly we're gonna play an RPG also, it's based 00:02:41.823 --> 00:02:43.983 into docudrama also, yeah. 00:02:44.493 --> 00:02:44.783 Yeah. 00:02:44.788 --> 00:02:45.513 So this is very cool. 00:02:45.723 --> 00:02:47.043 So I'm getting ready to do that. 00:02:47.107 --> 00:02:50.275 Um, me and my wife are like going on our honeymoon. 00:02:50.275 --> 00:02:55.675 I'm like running games online for strangers that, you know, I convince 00:02:55.680 --> 00:03:02.747 myself this is research for my play uh, but maybe it's also just for me? 00:03:02.818 --> 00:03:03.898 So I'm doing all of that. 00:03:04.693 --> 00:03:06.373 Nothing could possibly go wrong. 00:03:06.463 --> 00:03:07.813 We have an extension. 00:03:07.832 --> 00:03:10.142 The run of the show does fantastic. 00:03:10.142 --> 00:03:11.162 It gets extended. 00:03:11.582 --> 00:03:15.498 We're gonna go into March in like a new space and everything. 00:03:16.108 --> 00:03:19.849 And then something happened that y'all might have heard of, or might be aware of. 00:03:20.292 --> 00:03:21.072 Alison : Oh, my. 00:03:21.229 --> 00:03:23.449 Tey: And everything shut down. 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:26.929 And all of the gigs that I had been doing, even beyond Isle of Sugar, like 00:03:26.929 --> 00:03:30.799 all my theater work and all my teaching work just vanished into the wind. 00:03:31.204 --> 00:03:31.374 (breath) 00:03:31.881 --> 00:03:39.276 And then, uh, I said to the internet, Hey, there, I'm a dear sweet theater 00:03:39.276 --> 00:03:44.464 nerd who just lost all my foreseeable employment for who knows how long, Uh, 00:03:44.464 --> 00:03:46.894 I'm gonna be running some games online. 00:03:47.554 --> 00:03:51.214 Maybe you want to play, and maybe you wanna toss a coin or two to your Witcher. 00:03:53.104 --> 00:03:54.184 And it went really well. 00:03:54.189 --> 00:03:54.904 It went really well. 00:03:54.904 --> 00:03:59.045 I did that for a couple weeks and, and there was such a massive 00:03:59.955 --> 00:04:05.125 need at that time for connection. 00:04:05.192 --> 00:04:08.057 'Cause you know, we were all, we all had to quarantine. 00:04:08.057 --> 00:04:10.667 We all had to be away from each other and 00:04:10.667 --> 00:04:11.947 Alison : For just six weeks, right? 00:04:12.367 --> 00:04:14.057 Tey: For only six weeks, I mean that's right. 00:04:14.107 --> 00:04:15.674 You know, we're gonna flatten the curve. 00:04:15.824 --> 00:04:18.794 This is gonna boost me until we get through the other side and then we'll 00:04:18.794 --> 00:04:20.114 pick up the pieces and see what's left. 00:04:20.155 --> 00:04:25.178 And so when that did not happen, my, my friend and player from my home game, 00:04:25.248 --> 00:04:30.039 Zack Berinstein, called me up and was like, Hey, I see what you've been doing. 00:04:30.039 --> 00:04:31.209 It's a great idea. 00:04:31.359 --> 00:04:32.199 But A. 00:04:32.289 --> 00:04:33.939 You are charging way too little. 00:04:34.209 --> 00:04:35.109 And B. 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:37.539 Would you like to take this more seriously as a business? 00:04:37.659 --> 00:04:39.849 And I said yes to both of those things. 00:04:40.179 --> 00:04:45.417 And then we went on a two year journey into Tabletale Games. 00:04:45.597 --> 00:04:46.527 Um, yeah. 00:04:46.617 --> 00:04:47.247 Yeah. 00:04:47.432 --> 00:04:48.062 Yeah. 00:04:48.325 --> 00:04:50.065 Matt Start: I did not know that origin story. 00:04:50.115 --> 00:04:53.163 I am heartbroken that I missed Isle of Sugar. 00:04:53.269 --> 00:04:55.519 Tey: You didn't, it's gonna, it's gonna come back around. 00:04:55.555 --> 00:04:57.265 I'm going to find some way to do it. 00:04:57.265 --> 00:05:01.129 you might have to go to another state to experience it, but it'll live somehow. 00:05:01.646 --> 00:05:06.866 Alison : I also don't think I realized that we got to play with you so close 00:05:06.866 --> 00:05:10.076 to the beginning of all of it, because I think our first game was June. 00:05:10.144 --> 00:05:14.344 We bought Matt as a birthday gift cuz of our mutual friend Corinne had, when 00:05:14.344 --> 00:05:14.511 Tey: Yeah. 00:05:14.649 --> 00:05:17.615 Alison : started up said, look at the cool thing that my friends are doing. 00:05:17.915 --> 00:05:21.905 And so we just kind of on a lark, we were like, this would be a cool birthday gift. 00:05:22.205 --> 00:05:24.473 So we did a private session with you. 00:05:24.631 --> 00:05:27.481 Tey: And y'all are some of my favorite players. 00:05:27.541 --> 00:05:29.990 Like that's the thing, like I wanna keep playing with y'all 00:05:29.990 --> 00:05:32.060 as long as I possibly can, too. 00:05:32.226 --> 00:05:33.036 Matt Start: Oh, okay. 00:05:33.621 --> 00:05:34.161 Alison : Yeah. 00:05:34.791 --> 00:05:35.751 Twist our arms. 00:05:35.751 --> 00:05:36.441 We will. 00:05:36.501 --> 00:05:36.741 Yeah. 00:05:36.741 --> 00:05:41.287 So With Matt and Evan and Fitz, we have played several one shots, a four shot 00:05:41.292 --> 00:05:43.220 series that we've talked about before, to 00:05:43.340 --> 00:05:47.123 Tey: Sharp-eared listeners will recall that I murdered Alison's first character. 00:05:47.133 --> 00:05:48.173 Alison : You murdered Lav. 00:05:48.813 --> 00:05:49.143 Yep. 00:05:49.330 --> 00:05:55.360 Tey: And I listened, I listened to that episode and, had a little minor 00:05:55.570 --> 00:06:00.245 anxiety attack where I was like, oh God, I've caused real life pain! 00:06:00.296 --> 00:06:01.736 Alison : You elevated a story. 00:06:01.736 --> 00:06:07.256 That's the whole point of that is that you gave something made up, fantasy, right? 00:06:07.286 --> 00:06:09.747 Meaning and stakes and that's, that's beautiful. 00:06:09.747 --> 00:06:14.170 Tey: But like a really interesting thing to talk about with these games because, 00:06:14.170 --> 00:06:16.699 and I feel it especially being a GM. 00:06:17.349 --> 00:06:25.289 You have to have such care to the humans involved because we invest so deeply. 00:06:25.779 --> 00:06:29.889 And like you all have talked about before there is a piece of you in 00:06:29.889 --> 00:06:36.459 these characters and being aware of that and being respectful of that. 00:06:36.549 --> 00:06:45.159 And also allowing those pieces of you to rise to heroic challenges is 00:06:45.159 --> 00:06:46.659 sort of what the game is all about. 00:06:46.659 --> 00:06:48.613 Like, you can't leave the kid gloves on. 00:06:48.823 --> 00:06:55.500 But at the same time, you know, there are people for whom I know that GMing is 00:06:55.500 --> 00:07:03.054 like a power trip and I am just here to be able to express some kind of control 00:07:03.054 --> 00:07:04.374 maybe that I don't have in my life. 00:07:04.764 --> 00:07:09.250 Alison : And it's a very dangerous place to be in because you have such power 00:07:09.370 --> 00:07:12.550 and you need to wield it responsibly. 00:07:13.540 --> 00:07:15.180 That's my soapbox moment. 00:07:15.180 --> 00:07:16.650 I'm not blowing smoke. 00:07:16.740 --> 00:07:20.688 I'm staring at two of my favorite GMs to play with, Matt and Tey. 00:07:21.138 --> 00:07:22.878 And I don't feel that way about either of you. 00:07:23.058 --> 00:07:26.253 I mean, you're, you both are very good at challenging and pushing on players. 00:07:26.258 --> 00:07:27.600 We have to play at our level. 00:07:27.660 --> 00:07:31.998 But I, yeah, I don't, I've never felt a power trip situation, so 00:07:32.020 --> 00:07:32.410 Matt Start: Thank you. 00:07:32.470 --> 00:07:32.873 Thank you. 00:07:32.883 --> 00:07:40.653 We are kind of supporting the players and yet Lav's death made it onto a 00:07:40.793 --> 00:07:42.483 podcast, it was such a big event. 00:07:42.513 --> 00:07:45.213 It was so important and it's so necessary to do. 00:07:45.359 --> 00:07:51.629 Alison : Of all of the ways for Lav to go and all of the NPCs to kill her, the fact 00:07:51.629 --> 00:07:55.709 that it was Vecna and everything going on with Stranger Things and Vecna is. 00:07:55.979 --> 00:07:58.499 I've had so many friends now because I had told them that 00:07:58.499 --> 00:08:00.029 Vecna is who killed my character. 00:08:00.029 --> 00:08:01.059 See, I didn't say Tey. 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:01.749 I said Vecna.. 00:08:02.337 --> 00:08:03.967 Becca, um, And they now have watched Stranger Things. 00:08:03.967 --> 00:08:08.707 They're like, that's the same one that killed you and, well, yes and 00:08:08.712 --> 00:08:10.777 no, not really, but yet, but yeah. 00:08:10.777 --> 00:08:11.047 So 00:08:11.075 --> 00:08:12.645 Tey: It's a big multiverse out there. 00:08:12.938 --> 00:08:15.727 Matt Start: I would also like to point out that, that Vecna killed 00:08:15.787 --> 00:08:19.117 us before Season Four 4 premiered. 00:08:19.117 --> 00:08:19.304 Tey: True. 00:08:19.454 --> 00:08:20.774 It had not announced. 00:08:20.774 --> 00:08:20.864 And, 00:08:20.977 --> 00:08:24.854 Matt Start: I think you were ahead of the curve there, as Vecna the killing machine. 00:08:26.301 --> 00:08:30.398 Tey: We were doing multiverse shenanigans before, before Dr. 00:08:30.398 --> 00:08:33.068 Strange, before Everything Everywhere All At Once. 00:08:33.608 --> 00:08:34.868 Big plug for that movie. 00:08:34.868 --> 00:08:35.678 Go see that movie. 00:08:35.678 --> 00:08:36.368 It's so good. 00:08:36.368 --> 00:08:37.218 Matt Start: I gotta see it, I gotta see it. 00:08:37.238 --> 00:08:38.108 Tey: It's so good. 00:08:38.499 --> 00:08:38.949 Yeah. 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.749 Matt Start: Oh, speaking of which side note, apparently, 00:08:43.096 --> 00:08:44.311 I have not seen the movie yet. 00:08:44.316 --> 00:08:45.421 I'm dying to see it. 00:08:45.421 --> 00:08:46.871 Tey: Oh, Everything Everywhere All At Once? 00:08:46.894 --> 00:08:47.184 Matt Start: Yeah. 00:08:47.189 --> 00:08:47.274 Yeah. 00:08:47.274 --> 00:08:47.544 Sorry. 00:08:47.544 --> 00:08:48.834 Everything Everywhere All At Once. 00:08:48.834 --> 00:08:50.404 The directors during that 00:08:51.484 --> 00:08:51.994 Tey: The Davids. 00:08:51.994 --> 00:08:52.444 Matt Start: Thank you. 00:08:52.474 --> 00:08:53.434 I think it's the Davids. 00:08:53.524 --> 00:08:57.816 There was some, some aspect of the movie that, kind of speaks to the, the 00:08:57.816 --> 00:09:00.636 mindset of someone with ADHD in some way. 00:09:00.696 --> 00:09:04.496 And he discovered during the filming of that, that he does in fact have ADHD. 00:09:04.553 --> 00:09:05.651 He's like, oh, wow. 00:09:05.681 --> 00:09:06.071 Okay. 00:09:06.165 --> 00:09:06.915 That makes sense. 00:09:06.920 --> 00:09:08.145 That's why I wanted to go there. 00:09:08.145 --> 00:09:09.135 And that's what it is. 00:09:09.135 --> 00:09:09.375 So. 00:09:09.472 --> 00:09:12.322 Tey: There's something so fascinating about that because so those 00:09:12.352 --> 00:09:17.198 directors, I would characterize their style as like sensory overload. 00:09:17.308 --> 00:09:21.268 Like it's like constant sensory stimulus and input, but there's 00:09:21.268 --> 00:09:22.618 something really interesting. 00:09:22.618 --> 00:09:26.183 And I think over the course of their career, you see them honing it and 00:09:26.183 --> 00:09:30.143 defining it, cuz Everything Everywhere All At Once definitely has a sensory overload. 00:09:30.533 --> 00:09:31.373 But I don't know. 00:09:31.436 --> 00:09:32.756 I felt carried in it. 00:09:32.756 --> 00:09:33.986 I felt buoyed. 00:09:34.436 --> 00:09:38.622 Like I could make my way through the movie, even if it was a lot 00:09:38.622 --> 00:09:42.045 happening, it was never like, oh, whoa. 00:09:42.050 --> 00:09:44.080 I'm just totally lost and shutting down. 00:09:45.170 --> 00:09:45.620 I don't know. 00:09:45.620 --> 00:09:51.020 There was like, there was such a clear, cohesive through line and like a pull 00:09:51.391 --> 00:09:55.081 that's not just we slapped a bunch of stuff on the wall and now it's all there. 00:09:55.081 --> 00:09:56.941 Now you sift through it, you know? 00:09:57.141 --> 00:10:00.189 Matt Start: Um, Alison, you, you do have some topics cuz otherwise 00:10:00.189 --> 00:10:02.469 we'll just, we could just tangent for 00:10:03.019 --> 00:10:04.989 Alison : Would be on brand and I wouldn't mind. 00:10:05.169 --> 00:10:10.441 Um, so in preparation for Tey coming, one thing I have gotten to know 00:10:10.441 --> 00:10:13.321 is that Tey loves a D100 table. 00:10:13.345 --> 00:10:17.426 There are tables in all that we do .Your wild magic surge table 00:10:17.426 --> 00:10:19.719 is a thing of art and beauty. 00:10:19.735 --> 00:10:23.275 So in that same spirit, this is actually something that I've been meaning to do 00:10:23.365 --> 00:10:27.445 pretty much since we started this, I have finally put together a D100 table, 00:10:27.445 --> 00:10:32.235 an ADHD100 table that will become, you know, just like the outline, the thing 00:10:32.235 --> 00:10:35.805 we'll probably forget about half the time, but, you know, keep us honest. 00:10:36.615 --> 00:10:41.172 And in the spirit of my ADHD, naturally it is not finished. 00:10:42.132 --> 00:10:44.562 Cause why would I have finished something I started? 00:10:44.802 --> 00:10:49.662 So I'm hoping that maybe you could help with a, like a couple of questions to 00:10:49.662 --> 00:10:51.722 like cherry on the top of the sundae. 00:10:51.912 --> 00:10:54.442 But I'd also like for, to also go ahead and roll some D100s so 00:10:54.442 --> 00:10:55.132 we can break open this table. 00:10:56.046 --> 00:10:58.346 Tey: I'm so I am so happy. 00:10:58.384 --> 00:11:00.184 I am kid in a candy store right now. 00:11:00.357 --> 00:11:04.927 Because the, Okay, so right before we get into this, the reason why I 00:11:05.287 --> 00:11:13.357 love random tables is because to me, that's, that is the third element of 00:11:13.357 --> 00:11:19.267 what makes a tabletop game so good. 00:11:19.267 --> 00:11:24.504 And so juicy is you, have, your players each coming to the table, 00:11:25.204 --> 00:11:31.444 you have a mechanics system of some kind that allows for, you know, 00:11:31.444 --> 00:11:35.734 resolution of these narratives, strings and conflicts or whatever. 00:11:36.244 --> 00:11:41.063 And then you have random chance, just random ass chance and the way 00:11:41.139 --> 00:11:46.714 that can spur creativity and allow stories to take new directions that 00:11:46.714 --> 00:11:48.994 you did not conceive of in your mind. 00:11:49.804 --> 00:11:50.835 It's fantastic. 00:11:50.835 --> 00:11:55.597 Especially if you're in the GM chair, you are naturally always 00:11:55.602 --> 00:11:57.097 thinking a couple of steps ahead. 00:11:57.102 --> 00:12:00.087 You're always thinking of like, Okay, well, if they do this, 00:12:00.087 --> 00:12:01.167 then probably will do this. 00:12:01.217 --> 00:12:05.200 Even if you're a very fly by the seat of your pants, improvisational 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.850 GM, which I am like, I do not don't script anything ahead of time. 00:12:10.348 --> 00:12:13.678 Even if you have that, you already have in your mind, maybe like the next 00:12:13.678 --> 00:12:19.348 five or six moves at least, but when you roll it on a table, you can't plan 00:12:19.348 --> 00:12:21.538 for that and you just have to react. 00:12:21.538 --> 00:12:26.128 And that state of being of just reacting is my favorite thing. 00:12:26.248 --> 00:12:28.408 So that's a very long way of saying I'm ready to roll. 00:12:28.441 --> 00:12:28.681 Alison : All right. 00:12:28.778 --> 00:12:29.738 Tey: What, what order are we? 00:12:29.768 --> 00:12:29.978 What 00:12:30.211 --> 00:12:31.531 Alison : Well, why don't we roll initiatives? 00:12:34.838 --> 00:12:35.678 Tey: Oh, dang. 00:12:35.678 --> 00:12:35.680 Oh, dang. 00:12:35.685 --> 00:12:36.068 Okay. 00:12:38.198 --> 00:12:39.998 Oh, seven. 00:12:40.263 --> 00:12:41.025 Alison : I rolled a four, 00:12:41.745 --> 00:12:42.675 Matt Start: Twelve. 00:12:42.725 --> 00:12:42.885 Alison : Matty! 00:12:42.905 --> 00:12:43.025 Tey: Matt. 00:12:43.185 --> 00:12:46.545 Alison : The big winner today, Matt, what was your D100 role? 00:12:47.224 --> 00:12:50.194 Matt Start: My D100 role is 79. 00:12:50.569 --> 00:12:51.529 Alison : This is so exciting. 00:12:51.529 --> 00:12:53.839 This is our first ADHD100 read. 00:12:53.839 --> 00:12:54.379 I love it. 00:12:54.529 --> 00:12:55.219 I'm so happy. 00:12:56.389 --> 00:12:56.689 All right. 00:12:56.689 --> 00:12:57.529 79. 00:12:58.398 --> 00:13:01.518 What advice do you have for someone recently diagnosed with ADHD? 00:13:02.472 --> 00:13:08.682 Matt Start: My advice, for besides listen to this podcast, because I think you could 00:13:08.982 --> 00:13:15.158 both learn about ADHD & D&D at the same time, maybe something you're not, you 00:13:15.158 --> 00:13:16.478 know, doing currently, which you should. 00:13:16.802 --> 00:13:21.362 Definitely I feel like number one, congratulations. 00:13:21.422 --> 00:13:22.262 Like you're lucky. 00:13:22.349 --> 00:13:27.091 I think that before I was diagnosed with ADHD before I kind of started to put all 00:13:27.091 --> 00:13:32.470 of these pieces together, there was loss, there was depression, there was confusion. 00:13:32.470 --> 00:13:39.411 There was just beating the shit outta myself, because I didn't understand that 00:13:39.741 --> 00:13:44.991 it is my brain that's working differently and that's totally okay, right. 00:13:45.051 --> 00:13:46.161 You're born with what you get. 00:13:46.311 --> 00:13:48.471 And so the first thing I would say is. 00:13:48.824 --> 00:13:50.024 You wanna have coffee? 00:13:50.174 --> 00:13:51.044 Let's talk about it. 00:13:51.134 --> 00:13:51.584 Seriously. 00:13:51.584 --> 00:13:53.129 Let us, let's just talk. 00:13:53.129 --> 00:13:54.839 Let's just, what questions do you have? 00:13:54.869 --> 00:13:58.469 And do that with everybody that you can possibly find 00:13:58.474 --> 00:14:00.362 that knows that they have ADHD. 00:14:00.455 --> 00:14:03.682 And, yeah, just find that community that instantly exists, right? 00:14:03.750 --> 00:14:09.300 Find your crew and hang out with them as much as you can, because you're not alone. 00:14:09.305 --> 00:14:11.983 That's the main thing it's like, The joy definitely is. 00:14:12.133 --> 00:14:13.753 Oh, thank God, you're not alone. 00:14:14.083 --> 00:14:14.803 So that's what I would do. 00:14:15.703 --> 00:14:17.453 Call me up, is what I would say. 00:14:17.503 --> 00:14:18.793 Tey: That's really beautiful. 00:14:18.853 --> 00:14:20.263 Can I ask a follow up? 00:14:20.353 --> 00:14:23.230 May I just grab the wheel of y'all's podcast for a second? 00:14:23.723 --> 00:14:26.843 what, What is involved in a diagnosis? 00:14:26.848 --> 00:14:30.043 Like people talk about diagnosed, not diagnosed, et cetera, like for 00:14:30.043 --> 00:14:31.973 y'all what was that process like? 00:14:31.978 --> 00:14:33.203 What did that look like? 00:14:33.402 --> 00:14:34.842 Do they poke you with a needle? 00:14:34.842 --> 00:14:35.892 Like, I don't know. 00:14:35.892 --> 00:14:36.522 I hope not. 00:14:37.161 --> 00:14:39.164 Matt Start: And that's a funny thing, because that was 20 years 00:14:39.164 --> 00:14:44.291 ago that I got that diagnosis and I wonder now what it would be like. 00:14:44.551 --> 00:14:48.075 Um, It seems to still be just a list of questions. 00:14:48.099 --> 00:14:51.769 Alison : I was diagnosed seven years ago, so yeah, it, I 00:14:51.856 --> 00:14:52.366 Tey: With a list. 00:14:52.426 --> 00:14:52.982 It's a list of 00:14:52.982 --> 00:14:53.386 Alison : Mm-hmm 00:14:53.932 --> 00:14:54.632 Matt Start: Can confirm. 00:14:54.773 --> 00:14:55.193 Alison : Mm-hmm 00:14:55.739 --> 00:14:55.979 Tey: Questions? 00:14:56.056 --> 00:14:57.675 Like like a, like a, Like a quiz? 00:14:57.675 --> 00:14:58.056 Like, 00:14:58.123 --> 00:14:58.173 Matt Start: Yeah. 00:14:58.713 --> 00:15:01.226 Alison : I'm sure it's different for children, teens. 00:15:01.290 --> 00:15:04.234 because I basically walked into the doctor's office and 00:15:04.234 --> 00:15:06.084 said, I know I have ADHD. 00:15:06.151 --> 00:15:07.618 I've always had ADHD. 00:15:08.278 --> 00:15:09.658 What are we gonna kind of do about it? 00:15:09.658 --> 00:15:13.904 but even, Once I got officially diagnosed in my doctor's office, I 00:15:13.904 --> 00:15:16.004 didn't do anything about it for years. 00:15:16.064 --> 00:15:20.174 I, I was 37 before I started any kind of therapy practice for it. 00:15:20.354 --> 00:15:24.734 I've only just now tried medication for it in the last six months. 00:15:25.364 --> 00:15:27.844 So the diagnosis then was, was oh, okay, cool. 00:15:27.891 --> 00:15:30.403 There's There's a label for this I'm part of something. 00:15:31.281 --> 00:15:36.447 This whole time, society has been making me feel lazy, unmotivated, you know, like 00:15:36.447 --> 00:15:39.897 something's wrong with me for not being able to finish projects that I start. 00:15:40.557 --> 00:15:44.797 For being anxious about things that the rest of the world deems dumb. 00:15:44.797 --> 00:15:48.898 I've had many, many people in the past tell me you're being really 00:15:48.898 --> 00:15:51.448 dramatic about something stupid. 00:15:51.552 --> 00:15:54.552 Matt Start: I will say though that, because that does sound 00:15:54.552 --> 00:15:56.104 super confusing and it is true. 00:15:56.173 --> 00:15:58.386 it's just a, I think it's just a questionnaire. 00:15:58.806 --> 00:16:02.579 And so yes, there are lots of people who kind of just walk and say, I have ADHD 00:16:02.579 --> 00:16:04.469 and I, you know, so I need some Adderall. 00:16:04.619 --> 00:16:08.099 I think there's probably tons of people that do that, which, you know, makes 00:16:08.099 --> 00:16:09.789 getting Adderall more complicated. 00:16:09.789 --> 00:16:15.585 But I think that when I was diagnosed and it's many times in the last 20 years, I 00:16:15.585 --> 00:16:18.615 have not believed it or believed in it. 00:16:18.975 --> 00:16:23.558 But more recently, as people are speaking out about it and talking about it there's 00:16:23.563 --> 00:16:29.244 no question that I do now, but it, but it isn't, I wouldn't say that one 00:16:29.724 --> 00:16:33.474 questionnaire just 100% pegged me, right. 00:16:33.474 --> 00:16:37.384 Like I think it did enough for the doctor to say, okay, yep. 00:16:37.384 --> 00:16:38.314 That sounds about right. 00:16:38.464 --> 00:16:42.334 Because there are some things, that someone who doesn't know that they 00:16:42.334 --> 00:16:48.574 have ADHD takes as granted or takes as neurotypical, that aren't, right? 00:16:48.574 --> 00:16:53.646 So I think, I think that maybe a good therapist can go in and say, okay, 00:16:53.796 --> 00:16:56.886 based on how they're acting, what they're doing, are they stemming? 00:16:56.976 --> 00:16:59.736 Are they like, you know, are they playing with their hair 00:16:59.736 --> 00:17:00.936 or do they have a little thing? 00:17:00.936 --> 00:17:06.486 Are they, and all of it together with these, you know, 20 questions or whatever 00:17:06.846 --> 00:17:12.756 it's I think they can kind of make it more qualified, but yeah, it's totally random. 00:17:12.756 --> 00:17:16.296 And they're now of course discovering, is it related to autism? 00:17:16.296 --> 00:17:20.316 Is it related to all these other things? 00:17:20.316 --> 00:17:24.246 So I don't know if there'll ever be a, like a blood test, maybe. 00:17:24.246 --> 00:17:24.756 I dunno. 00:17:25.123 --> 00:17:30.707 Tey: That's really fascinating to me because I, as I imagine, probably many 00:17:30.712 --> 00:17:32.567 of your listeners do, I, I hope so. 00:17:32.572 --> 00:17:36.467 I don't wanna be alone, but I certainly would listen to y'all 00:17:36.467 --> 00:17:38.611 tell stories and go, oh wow. 00:17:38.637 --> 00:17:39.927 I really identify with that. 00:17:39.957 --> 00:17:41.307 Oh, I'm totally different than that. 00:17:41.337 --> 00:17:41.907 Oh, wow. 00:17:41.907 --> 00:17:43.407 That sounds like something that happened to me. 00:17:43.557 --> 00:17:43.797 Right? 00:17:43.807 --> 00:17:47.314 Like I'm basing some of my own memories and experiences off of 00:17:47.314 --> 00:17:50.716 what y'all are bringing up and going like, do I need to look into this 00:17:50.716 --> 00:17:54.727 further or do I just really like these people and wanna be in their club? 00:17:54.789 --> 00:17:56.529 Like What is happening right now? 00:17:56.859 --> 00:17:57.729 What is happening? 00:17:57.840 --> 00:17:58.320 Matt Start: Both. 00:17:58.740 --> 00:17:58.920 Alison : We 00:17:59.045 --> 00:17:59.355 Matt Start: kidding. 00:17:59.355 --> 00:18:00.805 Alison : We welcome you in either sense. 00:18:00.805 --> 00:18:01.045 Matt Start: Either way. 00:18:01.560 --> 00:18:02.482 however, However 00:18:03.269 --> 00:18:03.749 Alison : Um, 00:18:03.809 --> 00:18:07.043 Great tangent, you guys, Tey, what did you role on your 00:18:07.155 --> 00:18:09.065 Tey: uh, Well, I rolled 81. 00:18:09.276 --> 00:18:11.169 Alison : Tey, you and I both rolled an 81! 00:18:11.416 --> 00:18:11.866 Tey: Oh my gosh. 00:18:11.866 --> 00:18:12.326 It's perfect. 00:18:13.096 --> 00:18:13.786 It's perfect. 00:18:14.026 --> 00:18:14.446 Okay, 00:18:14.787 --> 00:18:15.297 Alison : So, yeah. 00:18:15.302 --> 00:18:18.836 So the question that you will now answer is What about your life 00:18:18.836 --> 00:18:22.466 right now would a younger version of yourself find hardest to believe? 00:18:23.011 --> 00:18:35.011 Tey: I think my younger self didn't actually have a whole lot of ambitions. 00:18:35.631 --> 00:18:36.601 I don't know. 00:18:36.601 --> 00:18:43.711 I think I have generally gone through my life with a plucky optimism that 00:18:43.711 --> 00:18:50.841 like infuriates my partners, um, that, no, but honestly that like what's right 00:18:50.841 --> 00:18:52.551 in front of me, it's what I'm doing. 00:18:52.624 --> 00:18:59.849 My dreams as a kid were like, I want to be making theater, 00:18:59.849 --> 00:19:02.759 I think, with people I like. 00:19:02.932 --> 00:19:07.502 And I knew more about what I didn't want to do than what I did want to do. 00:19:07.502 --> 00:19:14.739 I knew that I did not want to go to LA because it sounded like a place 00:19:14.739 --> 00:19:21.629 that was all about like image and who, you know, and playing, like a social 00:19:21.999 --> 00:19:24.279 climbing game to further your career. 00:19:24.688 --> 00:19:25.708 Spoiler alert. 00:19:25.708 --> 00:19:30.538 It's always that everywhere you go, it doesn't matter if you're on the West Coast 00:19:30.638 --> 00:19:33.216 or not, so that didn't really pan out. 00:19:33.266 --> 00:19:37.581 But beyond that, I didn't really know what form or shape my life would take 00:19:37.581 --> 00:19:39.051 or what I would, get interested in. 00:19:39.051 --> 00:19:42.891 But I left a lot of room open to get interested in things. 00:19:43.311 --> 00:19:49.161 And what I found, what I discovered through living my life was that the 00:19:49.161 --> 00:19:56.751 thing that really got me fired up was this idea of participatory theater. 00:19:56.751 --> 00:20:03.201 It's what led me to RPGs, but I was doing it way before I ever played an RPG. 00:20:03.771 --> 00:20:10.617 I made these weird shows in college that were, shout out to Ned 00:20:10.617 --> 00:20:13.187 Baker my like, partner in crime. 00:20:13.277 --> 00:20:19.106 We would make these shows that were, like stage combat stunt spectaculars that 00:20:19.106 --> 00:20:24.236 would range all across campus where the audience would have like points where 00:20:24.241 --> 00:20:25.916 they would decide what would happen next. 00:20:25.961 --> 00:20:28.236 It was very choose your own adventure. 00:20:28.269 --> 00:20:30.279 So there's always been that desire, that interest. 00:20:30.284 --> 00:20:34.629 And I think it's about that specific relationship to audience, being someone 00:20:34.629 --> 00:20:38.439 who like, I have a thing prepared for you, I have an experience prepared for 00:20:38.439 --> 00:20:44.604 you, but I need you in order to do it or to figure out how it ends or to figure 00:20:44.604 --> 00:20:46.614 out how the middle is filled, right? 00:20:46.614 --> 00:20:49.164 Like I need the audience for that reason. 00:20:49.164 --> 00:20:53.424 And that relationship is what artistically fires me up. 00:20:53.754 --> 00:20:55.494 And that's exactly what I'm doing now. 00:20:55.494 --> 00:20:59.574 So I think the that's the longest way of saying my younger self would take a 00:20:59.574 --> 00:21:02.364 stock of my current life and go, huh. 00:21:02.664 --> 00:21:03.804 That's all right. 00:21:03.804 --> 00:21:04.524 Yeah, I get it. 00:21:04.704 --> 00:21:05.244 I get it. 00:21:05.364 --> 00:21:05.574 You know? 00:21:05.627 --> 00:21:05.987 Alison : Yeah. 00:21:06.587 --> 00:21:12.647 It also tracks why you are such a good and I presumably also love GMing if 00:21:12.647 --> 00:21:14.087 Tey: I love GMing. 00:21:14.259 --> 00:21:15.039 Oh my gosh. 00:21:15.069 --> 00:21:15.429 Yeah. 00:21:15.459 --> 00:21:15.849 Yes. 00:21:15.865 --> 00:21:22.787 For that exact reason, I am so ready to tell a story that is also me finding the 00:21:22.787 --> 00:21:25.037 story and discovering the story as I go. 00:21:25.062 --> 00:21:26.502 And that's exactly what GMing is. 00:21:26.502 --> 00:21:29.502 You're the storyteller, but you have no idea how it's gonna go. 00:21:31.015 --> 00:21:32.035 Alison.. 00:21:32.082 --> 00:21:33.742 So question 81. 00:21:33.905 --> 00:21:35.465 Alison : yeah, question 81 00:21:35.522 --> 00:21:36.632 Tey: What about 99? 00:21:36.692 --> 00:21:38.252 What's 99 doing for you? 00:21:38.252 --> 00:21:40.082 If I just rolled 99. 00:21:40.972 --> 00:21:43.282 Matt End: could you, do you have one that you might want to 00:21:43.282 --> 00:21:44.262 throw out to Alison 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:44.909 Tey: I do. 00:21:44.909 --> 00:21:45.299 I do. 00:21:45.299 --> 00:21:47.639 I've been thinking about this one a lot as I've been listening. 00:21:48.299 --> 00:21:53.601 So Alison, um, this is more of a, more of a D&D related question, 00:21:54.411 --> 00:22:00.765 but, what is it about D&D for you? 00:22:00.876 --> 00:22:06.249 Emotionally, what draws you in and what keeps you wanting to play this game? 00:22:06.827 --> 00:22:11.387 Alison : Hilarious that the person who like pushes all my buttons in game is 00:22:11.387 --> 00:22:14.477 now pushing my buttons on my own podcast. 00:22:16.779 --> 00:22:19.479 Tey: You think you're an agent of chaos, but you have seen 00:22:19.479 --> 00:22:22.329 nothing of chaos, you know, not 00:22:26.147 --> 00:22:28.067 Alison : That's really why we wanted Tey here, for the voices. 00:22:28.072 --> 00:22:32.087 I could just sit here and listen to the many voices of Tey all day long. 00:22:32.507 --> 00:22:34.817 How do you put feelings into words? 00:22:34.822 --> 00:22:38.797 I know that's like the age old question and that's gonna come off as such a cop 00:22:38.797 --> 00:22:41.407 out, but I don't have words for this. 00:22:41.407 --> 00:22:46.027 It's bigger than that because all I know is the very first time I 00:22:46.027 --> 00:22:50.617 played my very first session, it was suddenly all I wanted to do. 00:22:50.677 --> 00:22:54.004 Tey: Well, let, let me see, let me see if I can get at it 00:22:54.004 --> 00:22:55.384 by like stripping stuff away. 00:22:55.429 --> 00:23:01.849 If it was D&D, but it was not anything to do with any fantasy genre. 00:23:01.854 --> 00:23:04.069 There's no silly names. 00:23:04.069 --> 00:23:08.209 There's no magic, but it's still a character and it's still in 00:23:08.209 --> 00:23:09.919 another world that's not our own. 00:23:10.309 --> 00:23:13.399 Would it be something that you're still like, oh yeah, I wanna do that. 00:23:13.722 --> 00:23:15.102 Alison : I think you're already finding something. 00:23:15.328 --> 00:23:19.348 I like the, even when I think about the characters I build, I tend to 00:23:19.618 --> 00:23:21.118 almost always wanna be a caster. 00:23:21.178 --> 00:23:24.088 You know, I built a rogue and as soon as Matt would let me, 00:23:24.308 --> 00:23:25.508 multi-classed her into Bard. 00:23:25.518 --> 00:23:26.448 I've tried fighter. 00:23:26.448 --> 00:23:27.288 It didn't work. 00:23:27.377 --> 00:23:27.677 Tey: Okay. 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:29.259 So there's something about magic. 00:23:29.899 --> 00:23:30.939 That is important. 00:23:31.369 --> 00:23:31.939 Okay. 00:23:31.939 --> 00:23:32.581 Let me try this. 00:23:32.581 --> 00:23:38.561 What if I told you that we could play without any dice rolls? 00:23:38.961 --> 00:23:44.671 We're still sharing that was immediate. 00:23:44.671 --> 00:23:44.672 Immediate. 00:23:44.677 --> 00:23:45.211 Okay. 00:23:45.391 --> 00:23:45.571 Okay. 00:23:45.961 --> 00:23:49.861 So that aspect of it, what if I was like, what if I was like, yeah, there are dice 00:23:49.861 --> 00:23:55.110 rolls, but we're gonna play a game that has, that has no combat in it at all. 00:23:55.110 --> 00:24:00.389 That it's just magic people in a magic world putting together a, a magic fair, 00:24:00.389 --> 00:24:03.479 like they have to put on a magic carnival and we're not gonna have any combat. 00:24:03.667 --> 00:24:04.807 Alison : No, I would not like that. 00:24:04.949 --> 00:24:05.669 Tey: No, not good. 00:24:05.669 --> 00:24:06.089 Okay. 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:06.539 See that. 00:24:06.569 --> 00:24:07.589 We're getting to the bottom of it. 00:24:07.647 --> 00:24:08.710 I tell you that. 00:24:11.350 --> 00:24:11.710 Okay. 00:24:11.860 --> 00:24:13.120 Well, well, what if I told you this? 00:24:13.120 --> 00:24:17.776 What if I said, we're gonna do, I wanna run a game that is like a gauntlet game. 00:24:18.016 --> 00:24:21.608 You're a magic caster with your friends, but it's literally just, 00:24:21.654 --> 00:24:26.285 it's, it's a gauntlet of a dungeon one level, one boss fight, and we make our 00:24:26.285 --> 00:24:28.775 way down and that's the whole game. 00:24:29.863 --> 00:24:34.650 Alison : I would wanna play that it, and it's interesting though, but, I think 00:24:34.650 --> 00:24:36.580 2020 Alison would've been all about that. 00:24:36.910 --> 00:24:39.723 Whereas now, like the evolution that has happened is like, well, 00:24:39.723 --> 00:24:41.013 no, but I'd missed the role playing. 00:24:41.013 --> 00:24:45.753 You know, Matt has pushed on my buttons in one of our games where he 00:24:45.753 --> 00:24:47.643 has introduced a love story into it. 00:24:47.643 --> 00:24:51.213 And at first I shut that shit down faster than anything else I 00:24:51.213 --> 00:24:52.713 wanted nothing to do with that. 00:24:53.088 --> 00:24:53.808 Matt End: Which is fair. 00:24:53.808 --> 00:24:54.318 Of course. 00:24:54.318 --> 00:24:54.828 It's fair. 00:24:54.978 --> 00:24:56.661 You know, you should be allowed to shut 00:24:57.246 --> 00:24:57.726 Alison : Yeah. 00:24:57.816 --> 00:24:58.326 Yeah. 00:24:58.536 --> 00:25:01.596 It was very weird and very like alien for me to try. 00:25:01.596 --> 00:25:04.686 And I was like, N no, first of all, like we're not here for that. 00:25:04.730 --> 00:25:05.930 We're here to mash baddies. 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:11.141 Um, And now, like that has become something that both I and my 00:25:11.141 --> 00:25:14.287 character get excited about is now like that, that is out in the open 00:25:14.287 --> 00:25:16.249 and feelings have been confessed. 00:25:16.254 --> 00:25:19.188 Tey: I think I've just discovered what I set out to discover, which is 00:25:19.188 --> 00:25:21.408 that you and I are the polar opposite. 00:25:21.791 --> 00:25:22.481 Alison : Interesting. 00:25:22.511 --> 00:25:23.171 Tell me more. 00:25:24.138 --> 00:25:29.628 Tey: I don't care if it's fantasy or if it's magic, I don't care 00:25:29.658 --> 00:25:31.708 if we're doing combats or not. 00:25:31.711 --> 00:25:34.081 I could care less about the system. 00:25:34.471 --> 00:25:35.521 I don't care. 00:25:35.611 --> 00:25:39.159 Honestly, even if they're a dice, like I said earlier, like I love dice as 00:25:39.159 --> 00:25:44.929 like a randomizing kind of force, but there don't need to be dice to do that. 00:25:44.929 --> 00:25:46.540 That can happen in many other ways. 00:25:46.540 --> 00:25:49.674 And it could just be as long as there's a story. 00:25:50.394 --> 00:25:53.724 As long as there's a narrative, as long as there's something, 00:25:53.934 --> 00:25:58.554 some kind of role playing or story to figure out there doesn't even 00:25:58.554 --> 00:25:59.694 need to be role playing there. 00:25:59.694 --> 00:26:03.526 There are games out there like I've played, you know, A Quiet Year and 00:26:03.526 --> 00:26:06.586 Microscope where it's literally just me and my friends sitting 00:26:06.586 --> 00:26:08.716 around deciding what the story is. 00:26:08.716 --> 00:26:12.676 We're not even playing characters, we're just bouncing ideas off of each other 00:26:12.676 --> 00:26:17.956 and like creating a story together, like almost like a writer's room. 00:26:17.956 --> 00:26:20.986 And I'm like, that is a fulfilling RPG experience for me. 00:26:21.354 --> 00:26:23.934 Alison : And that's why you and Matt get along so well, as I think 00:26:23.934 --> 00:26:26.161 Matt End: We might, we might be the same person 00:26:26.453 --> 00:26:26.603 Tey: Love it. 00:26:27.816 --> 00:26:28.296 Matt End: We might be 00:26:28.296 --> 00:26:28.416 the 00:26:28.446 --> 00:26:28.536 Alison : is, 00:26:29.187 --> 00:26:31.677 This is Matt over the course of the last year with this world that 00:26:31.677 --> 00:26:35.517 he's now built for us, that we debuted Castle Birthday Weekend. 00:26:35.617 --> 00:26:37.127 Like, that was so fun for Matt. 00:26:37.132 --> 00:26:37.877 And I was like, plug me in. 00:26:37.877 --> 00:26:38.387 I wanna play. 00:26:38.445 --> 00:26:40.545 I'll answer a question if you need it, but I 00:26:40.657 --> 00:26:40.807 Tey: Wow. 00:26:40.815 --> 00:26:42.255 Alison : Wanna play in the world that you've built. 00:26:42.343 --> 00:26:42.913 So yay. 00:26:42.918 --> 00:26:44.863 I'm sitting here talking to two of the same people. 00:26:44.913 --> 00:26:46.053 Wonderful. 00:26:46.253 --> 00:26:50.141 Matt End: So, so to, to go back a little bit about, about, you know, pushing you 00:26:50.141 --> 00:26:54.521 were not supposed to, or should ever push someone into an uncomfortable situation. 00:26:54.821 --> 00:26:59.951 It's just, that Ireena fell in love with AK's character, period. 00:27:00.131 --> 00:27:05.111 Because of the things that, that the character was doing and helping 00:27:05.111 --> 00:27:09.335 and and that's all Alison, that was all like, I did not set out 00:27:09.545 --> 00:27:11.930 to create a romance, for anybody, 00:27:11.930 --> 00:27:12.140 Tey: Yeah. 00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:15.129 Most, Most of my characters are like asexual, explicitly. 00:27:15.134 --> 00:27:15.549 Yeah. 00:27:16.082 --> 00:27:16.772 Matt End: Yeah, of course. 00:27:16.816 --> 00:27:18.983 I think that's probably the most, the safer 00:27:19.163 --> 00:27:21.581 Tey: Maybe a healthy rule to have as a GM. 00:27:21.581 --> 00:27:21.821 Yeah. 00:27:22.174 --> 00:27:24.930 Matt End: Also healthy, but I just, as Alison became more 00:27:24.930 --> 00:27:28.380 comfortable and you got to know the character it just happened one day. 00:27:28.408 --> 00:27:30.732 You made that decision in my mind, right? 00:27:30.901 --> 00:27:34.639 Tey: Let, Let me ask you Matt, because this is how I have thought about it. 00:27:34.698 --> 00:27:36.618 And I speak it in these terms. 00:27:37.248 --> 00:27:42.459 I think of when I'm running, I think of myself as I am the engine of a video game. 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:45.619 I only render the things you look at. 00:27:45.648 --> 00:27:48.678 If you don't get invested in this thing, I'm not gonna 00:27:48.678 --> 00:27:50.088 spend any mental space on it. 00:27:50.088 --> 00:27:53.748 But if you spend a lot of time on that thing, I'm gonna learn things about 00:27:53.748 --> 00:27:55.398 it, that I didn't know, were there. 00:27:55.762 --> 00:27:56.819 Matt End: 1000%. 00:27:56.869 --> 00:28:02.389 I was gonna say that to the point where I, you know, I tell my wife she's like 00:28:02.419 --> 00:28:04.909 D&D today, so you'll be done at three. 00:28:05.019 --> 00:28:09.689 But I always forget the hour or so that I have to spend making notes on what 00:28:09.689 --> 00:28:13.589 they have changed that they have already built in that three hours, four hours. 00:28:13.739 --> 00:28:17.039 Like I have to, I was like, oh my gosh, I just, you just invented 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:21.082 your dad and you didn't know it, but now I know where the dad was. 00:28:23.624 --> 00:28:25.629 Tey: Matthew, uh, yep. 00:28:25.629 --> 00:28:27.819 Copy paste, except it's at midnight. 00:28:27.872 --> 00:28:30.865 And y'all talked about you've talked on a previous episode about like our 00:28:30.865 --> 00:28:34.345 Thursday game being done at midnight and then having to like decompress from it. 00:28:34.675 --> 00:28:38.790 But yes, I am like, we're done at midnight and now I am like writing 00:28:38.790 --> 00:28:43.237 frantic furious notes of like, whoa, not even what happened this session, 00:28:43.237 --> 00:28:45.262 but like, what are the implications? 00:28:45.267 --> 00:28:48.682 What are the consequences of what just happened this session? 00:28:48.682 --> 00:28:51.442 What does this mean for like our ongoing threads? 00:28:52.102 --> 00:28:54.420 And then I've gotta decompress from that. 00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:56.191 Alison : It it's all changed my mind about it. 00:28:56.191 --> 00:28:57.751 I will say like seeing the 00:28:57.983 --> 00:28:58.343 Tey: Well, 00:28:58.381 --> 00:28:58.891 Alison : play into it. 00:28:59.423 --> 00:29:01.613 Tey: Let me do a follow up to that question then. 00:29:01.823 --> 00:29:06.303 What keeps you invested so deeply in Critical Role? 00:29:06.303 --> 00:29:11.013 And is it the same things or not as a viewer, as opposed to a player? 00:29:11.176 --> 00:29:12.731 Alison : I have a confession, you guys 00:29:12.813 --> 00:29:13.033 Tey: Oh, 00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.304 Alison : I've failed out of both seasons one and three. 00:29:16.304 --> 00:29:17.504 So I'm back to two. 00:29:18.586 --> 00:29:18.876 Tey: What? 00:29:19.796 --> 00:29:20.396 I don't get it. 00:29:20.396 --> 00:29:20.397 Oh, 00:29:22.797 --> 00:29:27.737 Alison : I it too much, I just had to go back to my security blanket! 00:29:29.767 --> 00:29:30.037 Matt End: Yep. 00:29:30.037 --> 00:29:30.497 Tey: that's 00:29:31.816 --> 00:29:34.358 Alison : Because now I'm watching it again and I'm picking up all the 00:29:34.358 --> 00:29:37.748 delicious little breadcrumbs that they had dropped us the whole time. 00:29:37.753 --> 00:29:42.488 That of course, you know, watching it, I didn't realize you can see the depth. 00:29:42.488 --> 00:29:46.208 So now I'm watching it as a player to better understand the relationship 00:29:46.208 --> 00:29:48.128 between player and game master. 00:29:48.458 --> 00:29:51.878 And so now that I know how it's all gonna shake out, it's really cool to watch like 00:29:51.878 --> 00:29:56.708 how they started to set those stories up dozens of episodes, like there's stuff 00:29:56.708 --> 00:30:00.008 going on in episode four that we aren't gonna find out about until the eighties. 00:30:00.527 --> 00:30:02.997 And so I guess that's the answer to the question is that like you could 00:30:02.997 --> 00:30:07.238 watch this a million times and find nuances every single version through. 00:30:07.238 --> 00:30:07.598 Matt End: Okay. 00:30:07.598 --> 00:30:10.718 So I have a question for Tey then along those lines. 00:30:10.797 --> 00:30:15.597 Are you, would you consider yourself a careful person meaning Alison 00:30:15.602 --> 00:30:18.496 goes back and she watches things over and over and over and over and 00:30:18.496 --> 00:30:21.466 picks up on those juicy details. 00:30:21.906 --> 00:30:23.166 That can be torturous to me. 00:30:23.196 --> 00:30:28.151 I have a few things that I revisit, but that is just not my freaking jam. 00:30:28.161 --> 00:30:30.261 Tey: I'm so glad that you clarified because when you 00:30:30.261 --> 00:30:32.124 said, are you a careful person? 00:30:32.124 --> 00:30:32.887 I thought you meant just like. 00:30:32.887 --> 00:30:36.170 like in life, like carrying dishes, like going, you know, whatever. 00:30:36.170 --> 00:30:40.290 I'm like, no, the answer is no, the answer is yes, I am a klutz. 00:30:40.310 --> 00:30:41.810 No, I am not a careful person. 00:30:41.810 --> 00:30:43.820 And I'm not a terribly careful watcher either. 00:30:43.820 --> 00:30:50.471 I also very rarely if ever go back to rewatch something, I can probably 00:30:50.471 --> 00:30:55.121 count on both hands, the number of movies that I have rewatched. 00:30:55.822 --> 00:31:00.459 And I would say that like toot my own horn here, I think it has made 00:31:00.459 --> 00:31:06.159 me a more close watcher because I know I'm like one and done. 00:31:07.149 --> 00:31:09.819 Or something else, something that I will do actually. 00:31:10.569 --> 00:31:13.165 And this is kind of a dirty little secret. 00:31:13.231 --> 00:31:17.971 I don't really like to lead with this, but I will often give myself spoilers 00:31:17.971 --> 00:31:19.201 for something I'm about to watch. 00:31:19.206 --> 00:31:24.511 Like I will go onto Wikipedia and I will get the general plot breakdown before I 00:31:24.511 --> 00:31:28.441 watch it so that I can pick up on all of the things when I watch it through the 00:31:28.441 --> 00:31:30.451 first time and not have to see it again. 00:31:30.784 --> 00:31:34.667 Alison : You just broke my brain and explained something to me about myself. 00:31:35.094 --> 00:31:35.274 Tey: Oh! 00:31:35.687 --> 00:31:39.437 Alison : The reason that I watch things over and over again is because I don't 00:31:39.437 --> 00:31:41.777 pay attention the first 47 times. 00:31:42.167 --> 00:31:43.457 And I don't want to! 00:31:44.172 --> 00:31:48.162 I don't want to, like, I want to be playing on my phone or, 00:31:48.162 --> 00:31:51.392 you know, washing the dishes cuz that's how my brain functions. 00:31:51.632 --> 00:31:54.902 But that's probably why for the two of you who, because I feel like 00:31:54.902 --> 00:31:56.312 Matt's obviously more in your camp. 00:31:56.312 --> 00:31:58.389 No, I, I, I, I love this. 00:31:58.389 --> 00:32:00.669 Matt End: Well is there something that would wrap all of this 00:32:00.739 --> 00:32:03.055 this beautiful ADHD jam up? 00:32:04.543 --> 00:32:05.833 Do we wanna give Tey one more? 00:32:06.048 --> 00:32:08.414 Tey: I'm getting, I'm getting my dice tray up to the mic so we can 00:32:08.414 --> 00:32:10.284 get some sweet clickety clack sounds. 00:32:10.717 --> 00:32:11.227 Alison : Yes. 00:32:13.027 --> 00:32:13.567 Oh, 00:32:13.664 --> 00:32:15.074 Tey: 71. 00:32:15.299 --> 00:32:18.480 Alison : What is the, the most likely thing to distract you during 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.460 combat when it isn't your turn? 00:32:20.610 --> 00:32:23.010 So I need to ask you that as a player, obviously not a GM. 00:32:24.270 --> 00:32:25.729 Tey: Almost anything. 00:32:25.787 --> 00:32:29.540 I have, I have a really hard time being a player for this reason. 00:32:29.870 --> 00:32:36.211 Combat specifically sometimes can be torturously boring to me. 00:32:36.229 --> 00:32:38.329 I can't sit through other people's turns. 00:32:38.479 --> 00:32:42.340 If you're the GM, you're always going, you are active, active, 00:32:42.369 --> 00:32:45.189 active, cuz you must always be thinking and reacting and responding. 00:32:45.194 --> 00:32:49.135 And every single moment is firing on all cylinders and it feels the 00:32:49.135 --> 00:32:51.670 way that I think combat should feel. 00:32:51.670 --> 00:32:53.929 Like, the way that I hope combats do feel. 00:32:53.957 --> 00:32:57.953 I've never had, I've never had the, the gumption or the verve 00:32:57.953 --> 00:33:00.233 to try the Angry GM technique. 00:33:00.233 --> 00:33:01.193 Have y'all heard of this? 00:33:01.463 --> 00:33:03.123 So Angry GM is a blog. 00:33:03.123 --> 00:33:07.199 They have, a technique that is doing combat, like a dolphin where you 00:33:07.199 --> 00:33:09.599 don't give people any time to respond. 00:33:09.719 --> 00:33:14.219 If you don't start speaking and saying what your action is within, like the 00:33:14.219 --> 00:33:18.849 first two seconds you've passed turn and you've lost your turn to indecision. 00:33:18.868 --> 00:33:23.420 And it's a thing that like, I have always wanted to try, but I'm, I'm not 00:33:23.420 --> 00:33:28.100 like firm or mean, and I'm so I'm, so pat I'm like, whatever y'all wanna do 00:33:28.100 --> 00:33:31.490 is great by me is like my general ethos. 00:33:31.700 --> 00:33:35.000 So I can't ever get it in me to do that, but it's the way that 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.370 I think combat should feel. 00:33:38.300 --> 00:33:41.159 And I never get that experience as a player. 00:33:41.219 --> 00:33:42.359 And I've had some great GMs. 00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.289 I've had some great GMs, but anytime you have to sit and wait for 00:33:46.289 --> 00:33:47.525 your turn to come around, is bad. 00:33:47.525 --> 00:33:51.455 Alison : So I literally yesterday edited the podcast episode 00:33:51.475 --> 00:33:52.525 that will be out tomorrow. 00:33:53.365 --> 00:33:57.625 And it's hilarious that you brought this up because the biggest chunk 00:33:57.630 --> 00:34:01.945 of what we talk about in that episode is Matt's feeling vexed 00:34:01.945 --> 00:34:03.865 about combat taking too long. 00:34:04.337 --> 00:34:05.357 Tey: Oh, what? 00:34:05.575 --> 00:34:06.055 Alison : And 00:34:06.125 --> 00:34:06.245 I. 00:34:07.135 --> 00:34:08.223 You are like it's 00:34:08.751 --> 00:34:09.764 Matt End: I know, I 00:34:09.824 --> 00:34:13.334 Alison : need to just, I need to just leave and just let you two bro it out. 00:34:13.349 --> 00:34:13.559 Matt End: Yeah. 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:14.639 Don't ever leave. 00:34:15.036 --> 00:34:15.241 Tey: No, 00:34:15.301 --> 00:34:16.050 No, no, no. 00:34:16.078 --> 00:34:18.222 We need, we need you here as the balancing force. 00:34:18.222 --> 00:34:21.472 Otherwise the engine will just, and then explode off into space. 00:34:21.592 --> 00:34:25.939 Alison : Well, and in that episode I say that I have never experienced a 00:34:25.939 --> 00:34:27.619 combat that I think takes too long. 00:34:27.649 --> 00:34:30.854 Cuz I think combat is, I know, I know like I'm now like 00:34:30.893 --> 00:34:32.288 Tey: Shocked faces, shocked 00:34:32.288 --> 00:34:33.868 Matt End: I was stunned, I was stunned when she said that. 00:34:33.868 --> 00:34:35.007 Alison : That it was yeah. 00:34:35.057 --> 00:34:39.047 When a Critical Role episode that the entire episode is combat, I am here for. 00:34:39.347 --> 00:34:41.567 One of our games where the entire thing is combat. 00:34:41.567 --> 00:34:42.377 I am here for. 00:34:42.827 --> 00:34:43.902 So hilarious. 00:34:43.902 --> 00:34:44.722 Tey: What are you doing? 00:34:44.739 --> 00:34:46.782 What are you doing with all your downtime? 00:34:48.035 --> 00:34:49.025 Alison : Prepping for my turn. 00:34:49.025 --> 00:34:52.715 So that way, if I ever do encounter an Angry GM I'm, you know, so like I'm 00:34:52.720 --> 00:34:54.305 listening to what other people are doing. 00:34:54.305 --> 00:34:57.423 So what is, and isn't working, I'm going through my spell sheet, like, 00:34:57.432 --> 00:35:03.462 what is the like baddest possible move I could make, especially 00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:05.959 Tey: That's why you're a great player, but I'm also shocked. 00:35:06.502 --> 00:35:07.132 Alison : And I love it. 00:35:07.132 --> 00:35:08.902 I live for that. 00:35:09.262 --> 00:35:11.602 It is the most fun thing in the world 00:35:11.849 --> 00:35:13.786 Tey: well, and I live for your joy. 00:35:13.846 --> 00:35:14.416 That's 00:35:14.604 --> 00:35:16.704 Matt End: It makes me happy to hear this. 00:35:16.704 --> 00:35:19.794 I mean, I, it I'm stunned, but it really makes I'm glad. 00:35:19.884 --> 00:35:20.274 I'm glad 00:35:20.589 --> 00:35:23.409 Alison : I was stunned when I heard that, like the reason Matt was trying 00:35:23.409 --> 00:35:26.769 to play with some home brew rules and make some different, you know, 00:35:26.769 --> 00:35:31.029 combat configurations was because Matt thought combat took too long. 00:35:31.089 --> 00:35:32.229 That shocked me. 00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:35.769 So we're just all in here, shocking each other. 00:35:35.869 --> 00:35:37.996 Matt End: And also, because I think that it should be deadlier. 00:35:38.566 --> 00:35:41.086 That's yes. 00:35:41.296 --> 00:35:44.086 Faster and deadlier combat. 00:35:44.311 --> 00:35:46.861 Alison : I will say I hear you both on. 00:35:47.671 --> 00:35:51.061 Because my immediate knee jerk reaction to what you just shared about the angry GM 00:35:51.061 --> 00:35:54.241 was no, but I hear you both on the stakes. 00:35:54.321 --> 00:35:55.251 It's gotta matter. 00:35:55.256 --> 00:35:59.511 And if you're too loving and you know, oh, whatever experience 00:35:59.511 --> 00:36:01.131 you want today, like that's dumb. 00:36:01.588 --> 00:36:04.438 Tey: A lot of, but a lot of players are really into. 00:36:04.903 --> 00:36:08.088 Playing it like, like a board game where you can just sit and 00:36:08.088 --> 00:36:09.948 think and tactically talk it out. 00:36:10.398 --> 00:36:12.438 And I'm not here to crush their joy. 00:36:12.438 --> 00:36:17.958 And my true kryptonite as a GM is like a player's puppy eyes. 00:36:17.976 --> 00:36:20.582 Like all they have to do is be like, but can we? 00:36:20.587 --> 00:36:23.088 And I'm like, yes, of course you can do whatever you want. 00:36:23.328 --> 00:36:25.373 Like I'm so permissive in that way. 00:36:25.503 --> 00:36:29.617 Alison : I will say, as you guys share the things that you like crunch on 00:36:29.622 --> 00:36:33.637 your soul in game, the way apparently com like combat taking too long does. 00:36:34.057 --> 00:36:38.407 That's why I feel the way I feel about shopping episodes and strategy episodes 00:36:38.407 --> 00:36:42.307 when we spend entire, because it's all, it's everything we've been saying in 00:36:42.307 --> 00:36:44.107 this episode, it's all gonna go to shit. 00:36:44.107 --> 00:36:48.517 So why are we gonna spend two hours pouring over like, how 00:36:48.517 --> 00:36:49.837 are we gonna open this door? 00:36:50.017 --> 00:36:51.217 Just kick it open. 00:36:51.217 --> 00:36:53.693 We'll figure out the other side on the other side. 00:36:53.743 --> 00:36:56.269 That's, when I get like, this is taking too long, when we go through 00:36:56.269 --> 00:37:01.270 like every possible multiverse option for walking through that door. 00:37:01.270 --> 00:37:03.310 So players beware. 00:37:03.310 --> 00:37:06.430 If you're playing with me and you take two hours to come up with 00:37:06.430 --> 00:37:08.590 a strategy, I'm gonna get mad. 00:37:09.272 --> 00:37:11.732 Tey: Well, and it's all tempered and it all has to be balanced. 00:37:11.732 --> 00:37:15.392 And if there's anything that two straight years of running for, 00:37:15.397 --> 00:37:18.513 like dozens and dozens of strangers on the internet has taught me. 00:37:18.933 --> 00:37:23.163 It's just that everyone has their own version of fun. 00:37:23.673 --> 00:37:28.509 And trying to get all of that in a game is quite a feat, and respect 00:37:28.509 --> 00:37:33.099 everyone's version of fun and let everyone have a bit of what they want. 00:37:33.149 --> 00:37:35.819 But that's also the experience of being human. 00:37:35.819 --> 00:37:37.443 So it's also my favorite. 00:37:38.611 --> 00:37:39.031 Matt End: Wow. 00:37:39.034 --> 00:37:39.552 that's it? 00:37:39.972 --> 00:37:40.482 Bravo. 00:37:41.832 --> 00:37:42.192 That's it. 00:37:42.282 --> 00:37:43.262 That's the end of the podcast. 00:37:43.489 --> 00:37:43.949 Alison : I'm already. 00:37:43.999 --> 00:37:45.979 preparing for the next time Tey comes on. 00:37:45.979 --> 00:37:48.679 I'm already preparing to be the first listener and number one fan 00:37:48.684 --> 00:37:50.389 of y'all's forthcoming podcast. 00:37:51.979 --> 00:37:53.269 Tey: I'm so thrilled. 00:37:53.797 --> 00:37:58.493 Alison : So, thank you for being on a part of this and it's just always so 00:37:58.493 --> 00:38:00.693 great to listen to you, talk and share. 00:38:01.293 --> 00:38:01.553 Tey: Thanks. 00:38:01.553 --> 00:38:02.013 Matt End: Period. 00:38:02.293 --> 00:38:02.723 Yeah. 00:38:02.813 --> 00:38:04.643 This is, this has been amazing. 00:38:04.703 --> 00:38:05.863 Thank you so much Tey. 00:38:06.345 --> 00:38:08.685 Tey: Thank you for having me, y'all are my favorites. 00:38:09.175 --> 00:38:10.015 Matt End: You're our favorite.