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Mostly I give softballs to our audience,
but I feel like you can deal with a hard

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ball, no pun intended.

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athletes get hurt, right?

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This is a difficult part of the journey.

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But there's also a silver lining here.

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Tell us more about your perspective about
injuries.

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I think with injuries, it really gives you
a chance to develop skills that you never

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believed you had.

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when I fractured my hip, just, I had to
change up everything, my approach to

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everything.

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I couldn't really do cross country or
track after that.

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it helped me besides just physical
therapy, it helped me really focus on

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flexibility.

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And I felt like I could take that to other
sports.

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And I was always big on agility and

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strength but flexibility plays such a huge
aspect into agility and I just felt like

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that injuries always kind of helped me
understand, wow, I can't use this part of

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my body.

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I didn't realize how vital that actually
is to this sport or to my everyday life.

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mean, filling a cup of water with a broken
shoulder, it's not fun.

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And I mean, I need water to stay healthy
and alive.

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So I got an appreciation for the fact that
my body

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really important, even though I don't
treat it like it is all the time.

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I think that's so funny how, from a human
condition perspective, we don't always

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appreciate the things that we have until
we lose them.

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Sometimes temporarily, but sometimes
permanently, That's so interesting.

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And when you say agility, is it mental or
physical or maybe both?

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yeah, so that's a great point.

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I think when you start off, feels like
it's trying to grasp what you're doing.

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It feels like a mental agility, but then
once you develop those skills enough

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physically, it becomes muscle memory.

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So you never really think about it.

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So I feel like it's, it's physical
agility, but then once you hurt something,

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like when I hurt my hamstrings, then it's
that mental agility all over again.

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It's just the fear of, I do this again?

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And then trying to get back into it is

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It can be a nightmare because you second
guess yourself and you question, can I do

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any of this?

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So it's building up everything

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And it's not just yourself who have gone
through these injuries.

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Your athletes get

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Absolutely.

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Well, I think with youth, the danger of it
is you feel unstoppable no matter what,

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but that's not how the human body works.

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well, I shouldn't say unstoppable.

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You feel invincible.

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growing up as a Jackie Chan fan, like I
proved he wasn't invincible, but he was

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unstoppable.

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He would take the shots and he would keep
moving and he would find a way to

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persevere.

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physical endurance is just so important.

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So when I see a kid injured, just try to,
a kid or I mean, an adult, I mean, when I

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coach adults, especially, I feel like they
have a better grasp of it.

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But I try to slow them down, take it step
by step because when you get injured,

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sometimes that adrenaline is so high, you
just, you don't even feel it and you just

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want to continue playing.

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And I think it's just so important to, to
not stop cold turkey, but slow down.

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And you know, if you slow down, you're
still moving.

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And that's really what's most

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That's funny.

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One of the reasons you mentioned Jackie
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when people say Jackie Chan, immediately
the thing that I think about is how he

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punches somebody.

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And then the next thing is like, he's
like, my hand hurts.

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that, I mean, that sense of humor, and
humanity in, know, no, I'm not, you know,

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invulnerable.

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Tell us about what that looks like as a
youth coach.

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Kind of what's your day -to -day look like
and let's talk about competitions as well

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and events.

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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as a youth coach, mean, you really have to
make it so engaging for the kids.

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it feels like your day, you're always
adapting your own day.

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you never make a set schedule for yourself
because kids can lose interest in any

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sport very quickly.

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And you just want to remind them that they
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offer and that they can also develop.

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And we try to bring it in those games.

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it's a lot

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introductions into new games that they've
never heard of, even new games that maybe

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I heard of a week ago.

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And it's, what I like about coaching too.

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I mean, it makes you a better athlete
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well enough to teach them to kids.

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speaking to kids as a group, I try to
teach them.

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It's so important to work as a team, but I
want them to know that there's a focus on

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them individually.

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I think with,

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being a youth coach, it's just trying to
factor in not just everyone's needs but

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everyone's desires because you're playing
sports because you want to not just

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because you need to and you know, it's
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What does that look like?

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How do you balance the teamwork and
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I think to bring the balance to it is just
to help the kids realize that, you know,

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they're complementing each other.

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So that's the individual aspect.

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It's like, they're not countering each
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And it's like, this accomplishment is for
the team.

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It's not just for you.

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let's drive it home.

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Let's work together.

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I think that's really

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what's most important to me because I want
these kids to feel like one student offers

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something different from the other
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It's so important to have that individual
style to any sport you play.

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I I think about the athletes I love,
they're much different.

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They might have different struggles, they
might have different strengths.

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I mean, my oldest brother, he's very
flashy with hockey.

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My younger brother, he's more about the
defensive end, but when they play

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together,

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I mean, it's like they're unstoppable.

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I feel like I'm Pavel Datsuk and Phil
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I just think it's really important to
remind the kids that don't get too caught

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up in yourself because it's so important
to focus on your team because your team is

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going to be looking out for you when you
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And you know, talking about feeling down,
kids are real people, as us all, and have

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real lives, and sometimes things aren't
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When real life spills into sports, what
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the team or the individuals,

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sports kind of epitomize just the
difficulty of life.

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And I'm grateful that right now with
coaching, the Olympics are going on

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because I feel like that's a showcase of
just how difficult life can be and what

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they endure.

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It's just so easy to get discouraged, but
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losing in life, it's so hard to focus on
your sport, even though that's where you

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want to be most because it's your safe
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If you lose a step, it doesn't mean that
you're done for it.

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It doesn't mean that you, can't bounce
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can't roll with the punches.

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So I think that, I try to offer that
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More often than not, see it with adults
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It's just, you just feel like you, you've
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can no longer do it for you just because
your life is in a very unpredictably

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confusing time.

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And I think it's just, you know, we all
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we can pick up, can, we can increase.

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And I think it's just reminding yourself
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beyond just the drive, it's like you've
dedicated so much time.

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There's the skills will always be there.

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That muscle memory will always be there.

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And sometimes you just need to clear mind.

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Have you seen this additional aspect of
her life, sports?

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Have you seen that actually help them get
through difficult times?

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I've had friends that I've worked with
where it's like if they have addiction

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issues or it's just they're going through
depression,

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be having that camaraderie.

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It's that's just so special about
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mean, it's friendship, but it's a
connection on a deeper level where those

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people will always understand what you're
going through.

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And, you know, your struggles in the
sport, you feel heard without even having

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to say a word to those people who are on
your team in that sport, because they

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suffer the same struggles and you
overcome, you overcome them together.

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I was facing debt issues and it was, I
could see with my own life that just

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signing up for Jiu Jitsu and taking on
that challenge just really, it helped me

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face a lot of fears

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and insecurities because I mean, with my
dad, felt like I, it's just, it was a

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constant struggle and I felt like I
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I mean, everything kind of felt terrifying
and I felt like being in these situations

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where you're physically and mentally
tested, it's, and I mean, it's a sport

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that can be expensive, but really all you
need is just another training partner.

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You don't need a ball, you don't need a
net, you don't

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the gi that looks like a pajama suit.

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mean, really you can train with whatever
you need.

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And I think that just, that helped me out
so much because it just felt like, I could

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apply this to anything.

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And I feel like I can overcome anything
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And losing, you constantly lose when you
start in that sport.

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And it's just such a great learning curve.

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At least I believe so.

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mean, just constantly losing,

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dealing with even more so a constant
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with.

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It keeps you going, keeps you so
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I see children that lose their shit when
they quote unquote fail.

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But that's not what happens when we see
these martial artists kind of go through

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that process.

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You're losing all the time.

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You can't lose your shit.

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And in fact, I would argue you learn
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just feel like there's just such a great
level of calmness where it's like the

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calmness

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It brings such a confidence with no
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And I love seeing that.

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I mean, I feel like when you lose to that
degree, you don't feel like you're losing.

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It's just on a physical level where you're
being tested, but you don't feel like

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you're being broken.

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And I think it's just so important to feel
it because mentally you just always feel

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like you're overcoming.

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I feel like with, with children, it's a
little more personal.

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I've noticed, mean,

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I was coaching Jiu Jitsu and I mean, if
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the world.

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If they lose to someone their own age,
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III or something.

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But I mean, it's just, I feel like on an
adult level, it's just so much that the

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adults get out of it.

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I mean, I've lost to men much older than
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all the people I look up to, all the
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sports and acting world, they're the old
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It's kind of like the fear of the old men
in a world where men die young.

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mean, even the fictional characters like
Indiana Jones and Batman, they're breaking

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everything, but they're also kicking butt
everywhere they go.

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it's just being a young guy losing to the
older guys, it's just, it's so helpful.

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It's so inspiring.

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And I think just the wisdom you get from

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the older gents, it's something so special
and they've been through it and they walk

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you through it and they just, they
understand where you are because they were

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once in that position and it's just, I
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I've never really felt that with any other
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Is there, when you're on the mattress,
right, Randori, is there a, is it just

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everybody on their own trying to win?

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Or is there a sense of learning together
or almost mentorship on the mat?

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What does that look

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it's nice

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put yourself in a tough spot right off the
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And I love that with a Jiu -Jitsu.

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And I think that's just, we can get that
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You can just constantly put yourself in
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My instructor does that to me all the
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He'll give me so many advantages and he's
developing his game and he's reminding me

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why he's much better than I am because I
always think I'm going to win from those

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spots, but then I lose very quickly and

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The intense roles are so important too.

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And I think it's just, it's just so
important to, to go through all those sort

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of, modes, every, every class you're there
if you can.

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And I mean, sometimes if you're, if your
body's hurt, that's what's so helpful

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about the flow rollers.

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You, can relax a bit.

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And then if you're feeling on top of your
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you'll have the intense roles.

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I try to get all of that in with every
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Such a rewarding experience.

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I love this concept that you're talking
about of kind of learning self -control

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and a sense of calmness through martial
arts, which might be counterintuitive to

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some people because hold on, this is a
form of violence one might argue,

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incorrectly I would say, but through it
you gain mastery and self -control.

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who do we say are the most dangerous
people on the

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I used to be one of those dangerous white
belts.

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So it's funny because that's saying which
is I've noticed everybody has it almost,

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but it's exactly that, right?

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It's the people who have the least amount
of self -control that, you know, I've gone

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into Randovri or fights, so to speak,
with, you know, black belts or brown

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belts.

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I've never been afraid.

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I've never been afraid that I'm going to
get hurt.

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But going into

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White belt?

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I'm on my guard.

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I'm like, this is basically, know, I might
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gangster, like this is real.

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So that, that, that sense of self control
actually is incredibly important.

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And, and I would argue that you can see
that transition, right?

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You start off as a white belt and as you
progress, you gain more and more self

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control.

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And I would even argue that that self
control transitions into real life.

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And I've seen that happen with my son.

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throughout his journey, which I think is
quite incredible.

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I wanna shift to a little bit of a topic.

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When you look at your students and
yourself, what's the proudest moment that

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you've seen your students overcome in
their athlete journey?

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when their egos just diminish rapidly.

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I love seeing that because it's, I love
when kids are confident.

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I do love it.

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just love when a kid kind of starts to
find their place and they build true

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confidence, not the insecurity that comes
with cockiness.

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I think it's just destroying those egos.

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It's just something so amazing to see.

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And then I feel like for the more

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humble students, which fortunately I have
many humble students, it's just seeing

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them fall and get right back up.

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mean, it's, I don't know anyone who likes
falling.

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I don't even think stunt doubles like
falling and that's what they get paid for.

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So it's, I love seeing that, that
perseverance.

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It's just so special to see and at such a
young age and I really try to encourage

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them that, you know, it's okay to be hurt.

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They're tough and I know that they can get
back up.

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there is a difference between true
confidence that office often comes with

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humility.

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And I don't have to call it fake
confidence, which is actually maybe

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overconfidence, which actually sometimes
is a symptom of lack of skill and lack of

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ability.

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We see it so often and again at the adult
level, especially in a martial art

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jujitsu, it's so common.

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mean, we will see young men walk onto the
mats feeling unstoppable and then just

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It feels like they're full of rage, ready
to hurt someone.

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then they get stopped with these.

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And I think it's just such, it's an
invaluable lesson for them.

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And just that calmness, really, to me, the
calmness, it's almost like something you

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see an expression on their face.

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It's just that they have that experience.

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They've endured, they still endure.

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they not only are they used to it, but
they, they brace themselves for it.

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It's, it's just amazing to me.

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So I agree with

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I remember my many, many, years ago, my
one of my first white belt experiences,

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and we were practicing basically grips and
throws.

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And I was that white belt and I came into
it, know, zero to 60 and 3 .5.

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And I landed on my backs, you know, like,
like it threw the air out of your chest,

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right?

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You know, you know that.

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And I was sure this guy was going down.

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didn't think it was going to be

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And when I caught my breath and he gave me
my hand, helped me get up, he said, hold

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me like this.

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And then he said, put your leg over there
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And instead of it becoming ego, it became
this like, this almost mentorable,

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teachable moment where he showed me what
to do.

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And this kind of ego of, you can't, like,
you lost, as opposed

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No, here's how you get better.

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That was such a pivotal point for me
because it taught me how you can be in

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this environment of so -called very
energetic conflict, almost violence.

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But you have a very soft and kind
mentoring relationship where both sides

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are improving the other.

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And that was such a mindset change for me.

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So I kind of changed something in how I
saw the world at that

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I love that.

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you coach, you do martial arts, but you
also do marketing.

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you actually,

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when When I started

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with the coaching background, my boss
learned more and more about my interests

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and my background in school because as I
spoke with you, being a huge fan of Jackie

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Chan, you, I mean, it just drove me to
sports.

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It drove me to mastering the fall and film
is an art, just like sports are an art, I

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mean, film, it's that visual art that
always drove me.

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And I felt like if I could combine sports
and that visual art, I'd be complete.

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So I think with that marketing background,
I went to school for communication with

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video production and another background, a
minor in graphic design.

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I think just trying to really, you know,
I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket,

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but trying to be ambitious about
everything that really sparked my

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interest.

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I feel like

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That's so important to me.

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I never wanted to be one of those
individuals who's just so drawn towards

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one thing because I feel like when that
starts to calm down or slow down or you

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lose interest, you feel lost because
you've never searched for all your other

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loves.

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I think that marketing background, I love
being able

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to do the marketing.

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I mean, I say that until I have a tight
deadline, then it's not so fun.

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And then I kind of wish I could get back
to the sports.

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but it's just such a fun.

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else but this right now.

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You know, we had that when I was studying
many, many, many, many, many years ago and

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you're crunching for a test.

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You're like, I will do, I will wash the
floors right now.

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I don't want to do that.

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Look, I think it's kind of inspiring that
people, that you have found two passions

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to chase.

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And I used to tell people when I was young
and stupid that, you need to know what

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your plan is.

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Like you have to have a plan.

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You need to know what you're doing.

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But as I matured, I figured out that that
isn't necessarily true, that there are so

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many amazing people that didn't have a
plan and had this incredibly amazing

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journey.

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So I've learned that there's many ways to
reach whatever are the goals that you're

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searching for.

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Let me ask you one last question for both
athletes and young adults and children.

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Based on everything that you've learned
and done throughout your career, what is

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the one piece of advice that you would
give to our audience?

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never underestimate people.

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I feel like it's so important with sports.

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I mean, I just feel like in life, I always
hear the term.

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competitive.

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I don't like how it's abused now.

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It's like, it's competitive in the
workforce.

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It's competitive to get this job.

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It's competitive to get on this team.

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It's a team.

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You're there to work together.

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It shouldn't be competitive.

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You're working together.

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You're collaborating with each other.

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So I feel like we're trying to establish
camaraderie, not competition.

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I know competition is important and it can
be a driving force for anyone.

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That's, I mean, that's just how you
establish this unhealthy mindset of

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winning.

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And I feel like it's just, don't
underestimate people.

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I mean, on a personal level, when, when I
was, I mean, all throughout middle school

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and high school, I was, I was a pretty
thin kid.

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mean, people thought I was fast, but they
didn't think I had any strength.

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They didn't really believe that I, you
know, I could offer much to sports.

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And I feel

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all they were doing was giving me an
advantage because they got so on their

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heads that I couldn't accomplish anything
that it makes you a sleeper because once

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you make one basic play, one simple play,
it messes with everyone's mindset.

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like, whoa, he can actually catch it.

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He has thumbs.

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I mean, they just question everything.

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it's, you just, you're ruining your,

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self, if you're underestimating people and
you're also kind of, you're completely

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insulting them.

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And I think it's just so important with
sports and with life, encourage people.

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not going to tell someone who's never ran,
you want to do a marathon?

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Yeah, do it tomorrow.

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You'll have a lot of fun.

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mean, obviously you have to work towards
it, but if you want to do that, I think

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it's so important to just encourage
people.

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The human body is amazing.

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the mind is even more incredible and what
people can overcome, people can achieve.

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think it's just so important to remind
that and we're all starting somewhere.

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don't factor in your age.

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Don't over push your durability.

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Don't over exert yourself.

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I really think that's the big issue.

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mean, with age, you might slow down, but
that's not always the case.

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Tyrell Owens is

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schooling 17 year olds on routes.

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I mean, he's 50.

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So it's just important to remember to not
over exert yourself.

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If you're tired, take care of yourself,
but believe that you can do it and bring

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that sort of belief to everyone else.

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It's so important.

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Never underestimate anyone.

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Don't view them as competition.

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That would be my advice.

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Thank you so much.

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What an absolute delight.

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And the subtext is that I think a lot of
the advice and the journeys that you've

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spoke about today, they're applicable to
everyone, not just to athletes.

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And I think everybody listening can hear
that and can speak to them in their own

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journey.

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Wonderful.

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What a pleasure.