WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.688 --> 00:00:27.068 Anke: Hello and welcome, Peter. 00:00:27.348 --> 00:00:28.908 I'm absolutely delighted to have 00:00:28.908 --> 00:00:29.508 Peter: you here today. 00:00:30.798 --> 00:00:35.268 Thank you very much, Anke, for inviting me for a wonderful chat with you. 00:00:35.628 --> 00:00:37.158 It's an absolute pleasure. 00:00:37.198 --> 00:00:37.688 Thank you. 00:00:38.008 --> 00:00:38.148 Well, 00:00:38.148 --> 00:00:38.548 Anke: thank you. 00:00:38.548 --> 00:00:42.768 I'm really looking forward to it because you bring something that I can 00:00:43.098 --> 00:00:48.283 comfortably and confidently say that listeners you have not seen before. 00:00:49.783 --> 00:00:50.593 Peter: That's very true. 00:00:51.763 --> 00:00:52.693 That's very true. 00:00:53.833 --> 00:00:58.123 . Anke: So before we go there, why don't you share where you are based and, 00:00:58.123 --> 00:00:59.653 uh, you know, what's your business? 00:01:00.093 --> 00:01:00.573 Well, my 00:01:00.573 --> 00:01:05.583 Peter: name's Peter Antonio and I'm the inventor and CEO of Dog 00:01:05.583 --> 00:01:07.863 Fender, uh, based in the uk. 00:01:08.343 --> 00:01:11.483 Um, and it's a product quick. 00:01:11.978 --> 00:01:16.028 Preview is a product that actually defends your dog from an attack. 00:01:16.548 --> 00:01:21.118 So, and that's really, it's very basic, um, description. 00:01:21.289 --> 00:01:22.678 I, yeah, 00:01:23.258 --> 00:01:25.848 Anke: I just, when I first heard about it, I was like, Oh my God, I 00:01:25.848 --> 00:01:31.558 wish I'd had that, uh, that horrible day back in the day with Leo. 00:01:31.758 --> 00:01:36.178 So how did you come to creating that? 00:01:36.188 --> 00:01:37.898 Like, what was the story for you there? 00:01:38.308 --> 00:01:40.028 Peter: Well, it happened five years ago. 00:01:40.048 --> 00:01:46.188 So back in 2018, when you know, it was just a walk that Murphy and myself would 00:01:46.188 --> 00:01:50.118 do, you know, and it's a regular walk. 00:01:50.118 --> 00:01:54.808 And but this day was very different, you know, I suspected something was going 00:01:54.808 --> 00:01:59.618 on with another dog approaching Murphy, and I tried to get in between them both. 00:01:59.998 --> 00:02:05.083 And to protect Murphy without You know, putting myself in danger. 00:02:05.433 --> 00:02:09.153 However, this dog grabbed Murphy by the throat, pinned him to the ground and, 00:02:09.153 --> 00:02:12.233 um, I had little option but to intervene. 00:02:12.483 --> 00:02:16.243 Through intervening, um, I did save Murphy's life that day but, you 00:02:16.243 --> 00:02:21.003 know, he was, he suffered severe wounds to the throat and neck and 00:02:21.003 --> 00:02:26.143 I also, um, uh, had severe cuts and, uh, and bites to my hands. 00:02:26.593 --> 00:02:31.688 Um, I did manage to get the dog off and, um, You know, we rushed 00:02:31.688 --> 00:02:36.418 Murphy, um, to the vets and I was persuaded to go to hospital. 00:02:36.419 --> 00:02:41.348 It was quite a traumatic day for me, you know, uh, lots of things happened, you 00:02:41.348 --> 00:02:47.228 know, on that day, um, the screaming and the shouting and, and the dog's owner. 00:02:47.828 --> 00:02:53.068 You know, hitting on me while I was trying to save Murphy from his dog. 00:02:53.288 --> 00:02:57.538 It was quite a surreal situation and something that really affected me. 00:02:57.898 --> 00:03:02.408 And, you know, the after effects of Murphy, you know, from that attack was 00:03:02.838 --> 00:03:08.558 Very, very visible and, um, he suffered from trauma, anxiety, stress, and he 00:03:08.558 --> 00:03:11.618 really didn't want to go out at all, I had to carry him for quite a long 00:03:11.618 --> 00:03:16.478 time, and I vowed while he was getting better that I would make something for 00:03:16.478 --> 00:03:22.438 him that would, so no doc could ever do that again to him, and, um, I really 00:03:22.468 --> 00:03:27.778 didn't know what I was going to make, and some very strange, um, events happened 00:03:27.788 --> 00:03:32.123 which led me to make my prototype out, um, using, um, Anke Herrmann. 00:03:32.523 --> 00:03:38.383 An electrical fly squat, my grandson's remote control car, some drawing 00:03:38.423 --> 00:03:44.023 pins, uh, and, you know, uh, earbud casings, uh, you know, a case, and 00:03:44.023 --> 00:03:47.743 I put it all together never thinking that this was going to work, you 00:03:47.743 --> 00:03:51.083 know, six months later, Murphy had it. 00:03:51.243 --> 00:03:54.963 Basically started to get back to normal, but still showing 00:03:54.963 --> 00:03:56.683 signs of anxiety and stress. 00:03:57.433 --> 00:04:02.913 But he had my, my homemade collar on, um, which at the time 00:04:02.913 --> 00:04:04.433 was called the Murphy Collar. 00:04:04.703 --> 00:04:07.643 And it was only made for Murphy, and I really didn't think it was 00:04:07.643 --> 00:04:10.833 ever going to work, and I didn't ever think that I would ever use it. 00:04:11.013 --> 00:04:12.093 That was the thing. 00:04:12.423 --> 00:04:16.643 I made something, only because I promised Murphy I would make something, but I 00:04:16.653 --> 00:04:18.823 didn't believe that I would ever use it. 00:04:19.558 --> 00:04:24.788 Six months later, we was out in the park again, and he was attacked 00:04:25.898 --> 00:04:27.578 by another dog, a large dog. 00:04:27.628 --> 00:04:31.528 I pressed the remote control, praying that the dog friend that, you know, 00:04:31.528 --> 00:04:33.748 the, the Murphy collar would activate. 00:04:33.818 --> 00:04:35.238 It saved Murphy's life. 00:04:35.438 --> 00:04:40.308 And from that day, five years ago, I have been devoted. 00:04:41.113 --> 00:04:47.443 In bringing the Dog Fender collar to market to hopefully 00:04:47.933 --> 00:04:53.523 help owners defend their dogs safely without them intervening. 00:04:53.983 --> 00:04:58.513 Um, and doing this in a very effective, efficient way. 00:04:59.193 --> 00:05:00.943 I love it, I love it. 00:05:00.943 --> 00:05:01.243 I 00:05:01.293 --> 00:05:03.453 Anke: just kind of imagine Murphy collar, Murphy collar. 00:05:03.454 --> 00:05:08.443 So basically explain to people how it works. 00:05:08.444 --> 00:05:09.903 So you've got 00:05:09.903 --> 00:05:10.877 Peter: the collar. 00:05:10.877 --> 00:05:13.813 So, okay, so let me just turn this off. 00:05:13.873 --> 00:05:16.413 So I have to swipe it to turn it off so we can see. 00:05:16.413 --> 00:05:20.093 So basically, um, once this is on your dog. 00:05:20.988 --> 00:05:24.408 Using the remote control, which we call the key because you need this as a 00:05:24.408 --> 00:05:26.268 safety feature because it's child proof. 00:05:26.528 --> 00:05:29.768 There's no button so you can't turn it on accidentally, which is great. 00:05:30.208 --> 00:05:34.168 So using the key, using the key you swipe across the face of the dog 00:05:34.168 --> 00:05:38.988 fender collar and the green LEDs will indicate battery reserves within 00:05:38.998 --> 00:05:43.348 the collar, and then it will go to amber solid LEDs, which indicates now 00:05:43.348 --> 00:05:46.388 that the collar is in standby mode. 00:05:46.588 --> 00:05:49.838 So you, it's, it's basically a collar, you've got your lead on. 00:05:49.898 --> 00:05:51.548 That's what you do before you go out with your dog. 00:05:51.548 --> 00:05:52.238 That's correct. 00:05:52.268 --> 00:05:53.548 So you've now prepared. 00:05:54.463 --> 00:06:00.003 So now what the collar is doing is waiting for a command from the remote control. 00:06:00.323 --> 00:06:03.173 So let's go through the very quick part first. 00:06:03.183 --> 00:06:05.913 So you've, you've obviously got the night lights, which are 00:06:06.053 --> 00:06:08.213 operated via remote control. 00:06:08.413 --> 00:06:09.893 Very, very convenient. 00:06:10.173 --> 00:06:12.453 How many times have I lost my dog at night? 00:06:12.803 --> 00:06:17.033 I mean, I don't, I mean, it's so bright. 00:06:17.053 --> 00:06:18.693 I mean, sometimes I used to laugh. 00:06:19.798 --> 00:06:21.358 Now I see you, now I don't. 00:06:21.588 --> 00:06:22.958 Now I see you, where are you? 00:06:22.958 --> 00:06:24.808 And he'd be over there, and then he'd be over there. 00:06:25.038 --> 00:06:26.958 And I'd be turning this off and on, and it'd be quite 00:06:26.958 --> 00:06:28.728 funny because it's so bright. 00:06:29.288 --> 00:06:32.928 So that's a wonderful feature to have, and it really does help. 00:06:33.508 --> 00:06:37.248 However, the main feature of the Dog Fender Collar is to defend 00:06:37.248 --> 00:06:40.888 your dog, and to do this in a very practical, user friendly way. 00:06:41.588 --> 00:06:46.488 And how you do this is, you have a defense button, which if you press once... 00:06:47.268 --> 00:06:51.938 It will indicate with one LED on the remote control, and now the Dog Fender 00:06:51.938 --> 00:06:57.038 Collar is Indicating red flashing LEDs. 00:06:57.418 --> 00:07:00.418 So, and this is indicating to me that it's in defense level one. 00:07:00.608 --> 00:07:02.428 You have three defense levels. 00:07:02.548 --> 00:07:07.058 So if I press it a second time, defense level two for medium sized dog 00:07:07.058 --> 00:07:12.148 aggression, defense level Three for large dog or extra large dog aggression. 00:07:12.358 --> 00:07:13.738 Now, how does this work? 00:07:13.738 --> 00:07:15.688 So let's put it back to defense level one. 00:07:16.048 --> 00:07:19.288 'cause sometimes when I'm talking about the collar, I actually touch it. 00:07:21.688 --> 00:07:22.978 , . Uh, I've had enough of that. 00:07:23.158 --> 00:07:26.338 Uh, I've, I've touched this collar possibly about a thousand times 00:07:26.343 --> 00:07:28.288 while I've been prototyping it. 00:07:28.288 --> 00:07:30.418 So now it's in defense level one. 00:07:30.418 --> 00:07:31.648 So what exactly is it? 00:07:31.648 --> 00:07:32.638 The, what is it doing? 00:07:32.968 --> 00:07:37.288 It's actually creating a static barrier, a shield. 00:07:37.483 --> 00:07:38.923 around your dog's throat. 00:07:39.563 --> 00:07:44.223 And the throat is the most instinctive attacking part of your dog's body. 00:07:44.383 --> 00:07:49.853 So if a dog is really seriously and inflicting serious injury or death to 00:07:49.853 --> 00:07:51.553 your dog, it will go for the throat. 00:07:52.103 --> 00:07:57.073 And what will happen if there is any mouth contact to any part of the collar 00:07:57.253 --> 00:08:03.783 by the aggressor, The Dog Fender Collar will release a stimulant and directly into 00:08:03.783 --> 00:08:08.863 the aggressor's mouth and only into the aggressor's mouth and it's although the 00:08:08.923 --> 00:08:16.573 stimulant is very low in voltage, it has a very, very potent response to that so 00:08:16.573 --> 00:08:21.153 you can actually see it's actually gone to standby mode because as a safety feature, 00:08:21.703 --> 00:08:27.343 we have added a 60 second timer so if you forget to turn Like, I would forget 00:08:27.343 --> 00:08:31.803 because I talk to dog owners, we all talk to dog owners, sometimes if you've got 00:08:31.803 --> 00:08:36.453 it into the defense mode and, you know, we don't want to keep it in defense mode 00:08:36.453 --> 00:08:39.443 so it automatically deactivates itself. 00:08:39.843 --> 00:08:44.883 However, if it's in a defense mode, you can deactivate the collar at any time, any 00:08:44.893 --> 00:08:47.473 time by pressing the deactivate button. 00:08:47.503 --> 00:08:51.228 So, you know, That's basically in a nutshell, really. 00:08:51.478 --> 00:08:54.388 Anke: Yeah, so it's almost like, you know, we were talking before and it sort 00:08:54.388 --> 00:08:59.168 of reminds me of those, uh, collars for Spanish masters that have the kind of 00:09:00.258 --> 00:09:02.958 picture, like the spikes on the outside. 00:09:03.208 --> 00:09:03.648 Yes. 00:09:03.728 --> 00:09:05.148 Basically a more sophisticated 00:09:05.548 --> 00:09:05.858 Peter: version of that. 00:09:05.858 --> 00:09:06.338 Yes! 00:09:06.838 --> 00:09:11.998 Yes, you know, those collars were actually being, you know, people did have those 00:09:12.028 --> 00:09:13.568 collars, you know, a few years back. 00:09:13.828 --> 00:09:15.478 I don't see many dogs with those now. 00:09:15.478 --> 00:09:18.838 I think a lot of people now carry pepper sprays. 00:09:19.138 --> 00:09:23.518 Um, and however, you know, the pepper sprays work for certain things. 00:09:24.028 --> 00:09:24.878 I'm a bike rider. 00:09:25.278 --> 00:09:29.028 I've been chased by a dog many a times, you know, uh, you know, so, you 00:09:29.028 --> 00:09:33.718 know, spray a pepper spray as you're driving your bike, not a big deal. 00:09:33.758 --> 00:09:37.308 But however, if your dog is attacked by the time you've reached for 00:09:37.308 --> 00:09:42.428 your pepper spray, sort it where you're pointing it and spraying 00:09:42.458 --> 00:09:44.103 your, you know, the pepper spray. 00:09:44.333 --> 00:09:49.943 It would actually spray your dog as well and everybody else that's around so and 00:09:49.943 --> 00:09:55.963 the after effects are seven to eight hours of really a painful experience. 00:09:55.973 --> 00:10:01.683 So it's, it's, it's a long, it's a, it, the last, it would last, the 00:10:01.683 --> 00:10:03.093 effects would last for a long time. 00:10:03.263 --> 00:10:05.493 Whereas Dog Fender lasts for a long time. 00:10:05.953 --> 00:10:10.433 a second and that's enough to get that dog off and not want to go back again. 00:10:10.433 --> 00:10:13.663 So very practical dog fender is very clean. 00:10:13.813 --> 00:10:15.193 It's it's precise. 00:10:15.333 --> 00:10:16.633 It works precisely. 00:10:16.823 --> 00:10:18.973 And it's very easy to press buttons very quick. 00:10:18.973 --> 00:10:19.313 And 00:10:19.913 --> 00:10:20.583 Anke: it doesn't. 00:10:20.803 --> 00:10:25.933 And you were saying the even like when it's in standby, you know, I think, I 00:10:25.933 --> 00:10:31.998 think what I'm most love about it is is that peace of mind for the owner, right? 00:10:32.058 --> 00:10:36.088 It's that like knowing that your dog's got this on, you know, 00:10:37.278 --> 00:10:38.808 there's the two, there's two pieces. 00:10:38.808 --> 00:10:46.888 I mean, you explained that dogs perceive even the standby sort of probably deters 00:10:46.908 --> 00:10:48.568 Peter: them from even getting close to 00:10:48.588 --> 00:10:53.583 Anke: your dog, you know, and the owner would be I mean, I certainly would feel 00:10:53.583 --> 00:10:58.653 more confident and more relaxed, like knowing that that like we're protected, 00:10:58.673 --> 00:11:03.293 you know, so, and so that means my presence would change, which would also 00:11:03.693 --> 00:11:04.563 Peter: Absolutely. 00:11:04.883 --> 00:11:09.293 And we know that the dogs feed off your own personal, you know, your own feelings. 00:11:09.313 --> 00:11:12.943 So if you're walking around, you know, with the dog on your 00:11:12.943 --> 00:11:14.013 collar and you're stressed. 00:11:14.388 --> 00:11:15.368 out of your mind. 00:11:15.388 --> 00:11:18.528 Well, the dog's also going to be stressed out of their mind as well. 00:11:18.528 --> 00:11:22.208 So it does, you know, I've sold the dog Fender Collar to a lot of people. 00:11:22.208 --> 00:11:24.158 People bought it from all over the world. 00:11:24.478 --> 00:11:27.508 And you know, the reviews say it does give them peace of mind. 00:11:27.858 --> 00:11:30.078 I'm not saying don't be vigilant anymore. 00:11:30.088 --> 00:11:32.528 I'm not saying don't be, you know, looking around. 00:11:32.658 --> 00:11:35.698 You have to still be a responsible owner. 00:11:35.953 --> 00:11:39.483 The Dog Fender Collar is merely the last resort. 00:11:39.663 --> 00:11:41.523 It's the last line of defense. 00:11:41.743 --> 00:11:44.563 You still got to be a responsible dog owner. 00:11:44.573 --> 00:11:49.733 However, if a dog does approach your dog and you're, you're, you're, you're feeling 00:11:49.733 --> 00:11:53.643 uncomfortable with the situation, just put it into a defense mode, whether it's 00:11:53.643 --> 00:11:57.043 a small dog, a medium or a large dog. 00:11:57.688 --> 00:11:59.068 You know, it's very simple. 00:11:59.088 --> 00:12:00.168 It's that simple. 00:12:00.408 --> 00:12:02.478 And it does give you peace of mind. 00:12:02.758 --> 00:12:07.448 I've been told that by a lot of people and have by, by giving you 00:12:07.448 --> 00:12:11.988 peace of mind, it gives you a better outside walking experience as well. 00:12:12.238 --> 00:12:16.958 And it also gives the dog a better experience as well, because you can 00:12:16.968 --> 00:12:21.878 now leave your dog off the lead and not worry so much because you have help. 00:12:22.288 --> 00:12:25.688 I've been in that situation Anke, as I know you have as well. 00:12:25.978 --> 00:12:28.598 It's a very lonely situation to be in. 00:12:28.848 --> 00:12:31.978 When your dog is attacked, no one's going to offer to help. 00:12:31.979 --> 00:12:36.518 It takes a second to kill your dog. 00:12:36.588 --> 00:12:37.338 A second. 00:12:37.708 --> 00:12:42.418 You know, so people are always going to be nervous of their dog, but with the Dog 00:12:42.418 --> 00:12:44.008 Fender Collie, you know, you've got... 00:12:44.823 --> 00:12:47.893 I call it basically an angel on your shoulder, really. 00:12:47.893 --> 00:12:48.893 I mean, you've got help. 00:12:49.313 --> 00:12:50.053 You've got help. 00:12:50.593 --> 00:12:52.103 You're not out there on your own. 00:12:52.103 --> 00:12:53.143 You've got some help. 00:12:53.423 --> 00:12:56.553 And that's what, which is lovely, which is lovely. 00:12:57.203 --> 00:13:01.053 Anke: So where can people go find out more about you, get in touch with you? 00:13:01.543 --> 00:13:03.923 You know, get on the waiting list for the next batch. 00:13:04.993 --> 00:13:08.433 Peter: Well, you know, we didn't really know that the first batch 00:13:08.433 --> 00:13:10.803 would be sold so, so quickly. 00:13:11.153 --> 00:13:15.803 Um, we've done very minimal, um, you know, um, advertising. 00:13:15.813 --> 00:13:18.473 And in actual fact, all we've done is organic posts. 00:13:18.913 --> 00:13:19.463 Um. 00:13:19.748 --> 00:13:25.028 So we, we were really caught off guard, really caught off guard, and I thought it 00:13:25.028 --> 00:13:29.188 was going to take a long time to sell a couple of thousand units, but it didn't. 00:13:29.488 --> 00:13:34.948 They sold very, very quickly and we've had some great response 00:13:34.948 --> 00:13:36.478 from those people as well. 00:13:36.838 --> 00:13:41.958 And our next batch, unfortunately, is about eight weeks now for them 00:13:41.958 --> 00:13:43.638 to come into the UK, which is... 00:13:45.208 --> 00:13:48.178 You know, I'm sorry to say, but that's just the time people are listening 00:13:48.178 --> 00:13:50.038 Anke: to this, it's going to be a little less than that. 00:13:50.128 --> 00:13:52.278 So where are we going to send them? 00:13:54.288 --> 00:13:57.488 Peter: Well, I mean, DogFenders is available worldwide. 00:13:57.508 --> 00:14:00.758 You know, we've, we've got our fulfillers in America now. 00:14:00.788 --> 00:14:04.638 Our own personal fulfillment company in America and Australia 00:14:04.638 --> 00:14:08.108 as well, because we've had so much interest from America and Australia. 00:14:08.128 --> 00:14:09.448 So, um. 00:14:09.768 --> 00:14:12.108 Hopefully we'll get them sooner than eight weeks. 00:14:12.108 --> 00:14:16.118 But you know, you know, it's, it's something that it's a new product. 00:14:16.338 --> 00:14:17.778 It's a new company. 00:14:18.048 --> 00:14:19.088 It's a new setup. 00:14:19.728 --> 00:14:24.178 You know, we need time to sort of get things going and moving. 00:14:24.178 --> 00:14:27.498 But you know, the response has been just Unbelievable. 00:14:27.688 --> 00:14:28.148 I love it. 00:14:28.178 --> 00:14:28.388 So 00:14:28.428 --> 00:14:29.238 Anke: dogfender. 00:14:29.268 --> 00:14:30.438 com is the place, right? 00:14:30.838 --> 00:14:31.568 Peter: dogfender. 00:14:31.608 --> 00:14:31.768 co. 00:14:31.768 --> 00:14:32.468 uk. 00:14:32.678 --> 00:14:32.838 dogfender. 00:14:32.888 --> 00:14:32.988 co. 00:14:32.988 --> 00:14:33.718 uk. 00:14:34.258 --> 00:14:34.658 Absolutely. 00:14:35.518 --> 00:14:40.118 If you want any information about DogFender, please visit dogfender. 00:14:40.119 --> 00:14:41.038 co. 00:14:41.038 --> 00:14:41.288 uk. 00:14:41.548 --> 00:14:43.458 It's got loads of information on there. 00:14:43.668 --> 00:14:45.288 There's a phone number on there as well. 00:14:45.288 --> 00:14:48.448 And there's always someone there to give you some advice or help 00:14:48.448 --> 00:14:52.178 or, you know, explain to you the products in further detail. 00:14:52.523 --> 00:14:52.633 I 00:14:52.633 --> 00:14:53.003 Anke: love it. 00:14:53.073 --> 00:14:53.273 Love it. 00:14:53.293 --> 00:14:56.103 So obviously, if you're listening on the podcast, it's on the show notes. 00:14:56.343 --> 00:14:59.133 If you're watching, then obviously it's on the page that 00:14:59.133 --> 00:15:00.403 you're, you're watching this. 00:15:00.653 --> 00:15:02.053 So thank you so much, Peter. 00:15:02.363 --> 00:15:05.523 Um, yeah, I hope you sell loads and loads of those. 00:15:06.113 --> 00:15:06.143 It's 00:15:08.503 --> 00:15:12.233 Peter: just great to know that there are dogs out there being protected. 00:15:12.283 --> 00:15:13.583 That's all that matters to me. 00:15:14.113 --> 00:15:15.333 The dogs are being protected. 00:15:15.678 --> 00:15:20.668 Owners are being protected, um, and the dogs that are attacking also will 00:15:20.678 --> 00:15:23.878 have a chance that, you know, that they, you know, that they don't have 00:15:23.878 --> 00:15:28.428 to be so wrongfully euthanized, which is terrible because we all know in the 00:15:28.428 --> 00:15:31.118 majority of the time it's the owner's fault, it's not the dog's fault. 00:15:31.658 --> 00:15:33.458 So I'm just happy to help. 00:15:34.678 --> 00:15:35.008 Love it. 00:15:35.158 --> 00:15:35.668 Thank you. 00:15:36.268 --> 00:15:37.268 Thank you very much. 00:15:39.036 --> 00:15:40.266 Thanks so much for listening. 00:15:40.786 --> 00:15:45.086 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:15:45.186 --> 00:15:46.966 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:15:47.756 --> 00:15:51.246 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:15:51.676 --> 00:15:57.246 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:15:57.346 --> 00:15:59.716 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:15:59.717 --> 00:16:03.446 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:16:03.866 --> 00:16:05.006 I'd love an introduction. 00:16:05.486 --> 00:16:07.316 Email me at Anke. 00:16:07.586 --> 00:16:11.821 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.