Leo Dion (home): Welcome to another episode of Empower Apps.
I'm your host Leo Dion.
Today I'm joined by Evan Stone.
Hey Evan, thank you again for coming on for this very special episode.
Evan Stone (guest): Thanks for having me on, Leo.
Appreciate it.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
Before we begin, I'll let you go ahead and introduce yourself.
Evan Stone (guest): Okay, yeah, I'm Evan Stone and I live in California and I'm
an iOS developer for MartianCraft and I also have a podcast called iOS Dev Break
and I'm also working on a A community, a virtual co working community for
iOS, Swift, Mac developers, etc.
Called Swift Remote Studio.
And that is still going well.
And so, yeah that's pretty much about me right now.
I have some side projects and things going on too, but mostly what I've
been focusing on is those other things and the jobby job work.
Wonderlust,
Leo Dion (home): Cool.
We had you on previously.
Was it last year to talk about UI kit?
So I'm really happy to have you back on.
You've been an awesome guest and we have a very special episode today
to talk about the Apple event.
So what are your like overall thoughts on how it went?
Evan Stone (guest): let's see I thought it went, I thought it went really well.
Actually, it's funny, my reactions afterwards were that
I wasn't really, the things that impressed me about it were not
the things that I was expecting.
So, they threw some curves in there that I thought were pretty cool.
And so I thought it was a great event, actually.
It went way better than I was expecting, because I thought it was going to be
ho hum, like, I don't know what they can really, what can they beat from
last year and what can they, Do that will be more impressive than the vision
pro, which they announced at WWDC.
So, but I think they, they did a pretty good job.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah, I think it was not what I, it was
what I expected and not what I expected both at the same time.
What you're saying.
And like you said, I was impressed by things that I didn't think I
was going to be impressed with.
And I think we talked offline about like my plans as far as purchasing
and now I'm like, okay, I was wrong.
Evan Stone (guest): Right?
Me too.
Me
Leo Dion (home): there was something I was holding out for
that was like, unless I have that, I wouldn't buy a brand new one.
Now I'm like, yeah, okay, now I got to buy a brand new
one and we'll get into it.
But yeah, this was the year I was planning on spending some money,
so I'd already saved up for it.
And, yeah, so we'll start
Evan Stone (guest): was smart.
Leo Dion (home): we'll start off talking about let's start off
talking about the the Apple watch.
Let's go with that.
So I had been holding out for an Apple watch for quite a while
because quite frankly there really hasn't been anything new in like
the three or four years, like other than a bigger size screen.
It's really been boring.
Are you in how involved of an Apple watch user are you?
Evan Stone (guest): I'm, there are probably different levels,
right, of Apple Watch usage.
I use it all the time for my fitness stuff.
I have the watch on all the time.
And I am currently rocking a Series 4.
And, what I, what yeah, and with the Apple event coming up...
My plans were originally, see what the Ultra would offer.
But probably I would go with the series nine whatever that was, whatever,
beforehand, I had mostly just because I wanted to get something that, if I could
just replace the straight up, with the series nine the wider 45 millimeter or
whatever, then I would probably be okay.
The thing that was really troubling to me recently, and
this happened just within the last maybe two weeks, is that my.
Battery levels, it just started dropping like plummeting.
It's almost like it knew that
Leo Dion (home): you're not on the beta or anything.
Evan Stone (guest): It started before the beta and then I switched to
the beta and it seemed to improve a little bit and then it went Back
Leo Dion (home): Okay.
Okay.
Evan Stone (guest): the way it was before I think it's just from age,
because you know It's a series four.
So that's what four or five years ago, you know that I got it.
So
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
Evan Stone (guest): So yeah, so I was really looking forward to seeing
what the options were for this year,
Leo Dion (home): So what did you end up going with, Evan?
Evan Stone (guest): I haven't made any purchases yet, but the problem is
Leo Dion (home): some people.
Evan Stone (guest): yeah, unlike some people so I really feel like
I want to go with the ultra too.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah,
Evan Stone (guest): I'm sure we can talk about what those, the features are,
But I w I was already leaning towards an ultra.
But, before this, and so now yeah, I don't know, there were some
things there that made me think, okay, I'm gonna do the Ultra 2.
I, I, the reason I didn't do an Ultra last year was because I tend to shy away
from whatever the V1 version of a thing
Leo Dion (home): Same here.
Same here.
Evan Stone (guest): having said that, Vision Pro is probably a V1 thing that
would be advantageous to take a look at.
But But, so I thought I'll just wait for the Ultra 2, and then, I don't know.
So, my current thinking is, if I can swing it somehow I'll go for
the Apple Watch Ultra 2, I think.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
So I think I was leaning.
So I was definitely going to buy a new watch this year
because this is the first year where we have a brand new chip.
Finally.
Every like 6, 7, 8 have all been the same chip and it's
like totally been disappointing.
That they haven't really updated the processor at all.
I was leaning more towards the Ultra as somebody who develops apps for
the watch, as well as the fact, just surprised how many people have Ultras.
And it's like, okay, like this is actually
Evan Stone (guest): the wild,
Leo Dion (home): People like it, people find it useful.
So for me, it's like.
Yeah, this is actually a reasonable device to buy because
everybody else is buying it.
Totally not, I'm not going to be an avid outdoorsman.
I'm not going to go deep sea diving.
But, like, I really like the Apple Watch and I wanna take it to the next level.
Let's do this.
So, the thing that I was really impressed with on Ultra 2, honestly, was
that watch face that they showed off.
Most of the new watch faces that come out are garbage, quite frankly.
And they're a little bit novelty acts with like, okay, I like Peanuts
just as much as the next guy,
Evan Stone (guest): right
Leo Dion (home): come on.
Like,
How much Toy Story, like, it's just like...
Yeah, but like this new watch face looks fantastic.
It's exactly what I want, is I want a watch face digital clock on it.
I can read an analog clock, but when I flip my wrist, I don't want
to do it, like, I don't want to have to think about it, right?
And it has like a ton of information out there, and I'm just like,
this is exactly what I want.
This is what I want, like, this is the watch face I want, and I'm
like, yeah, I'm, I was already leaning towards an Ultra but that
kind of sealed the deal for me.
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, I was I do Well, I haven't recently
because I got a new bike accident last year, but I was doing a lot
of You know gearing up towards doing more mountain biking stuff.
And so the ultra was really appealing to me But then I had that accident
It was at the beginning of last year and so I just thought I just
I'll wait and but now I'm starting to gear back up, no pun intended.
And so I am thinking more in terms of more fitness oriented
activities and having a more durable watch to take on those.
And
Leo Dion (home): life!
The battery
Evan Stone (guest): battery life.
That's exactly what I was just going to say is the battery life.
Yeah
Leo Dion (home): two, like the other thing, yeah, I do running,
I've done a half marathon, so I'm hoping to get back into running
so, well, that would be super helpful for me what was I gonna say?
Oh, I was just gonna say, like, yeah, you're never gonna see an ad
of somebody sitting on the crapper playing what's a good, what's a
really horrible game that people play where it has, like, all the gambling
Evan Stone (guest): Oh, I don't know.
Leo Dion (home): What's a jewel?
There's like a
gem
Evan Stone (guest): Oh, yeah.
Bejewel.
That way.
And that's the classic one.
I don't know what they do now.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah, you're never gonna see one of those ads.
Cause that ad in the beginning was all like people getting their
lives saved by having an iPhone.
It's all this inspirational stuff, and then, like, very
little of it is like, oh.
I love the iPhone 14 because it lets me doom scroll on x.
com.
Like you're just never going to see that in an ad.
So it's funny, just like reality and like their ads in the beginning.
Sorry.
That was a total sideline, but yeah,
Evan Stone (guest): it's true.
I'm looking at the screenshots I took of that initial thing.
And yeah, it's very, yeah.
The inspirational videos that they have at the beginning about how Apple
watch and iPhone save these people.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
Evan Stone (guest): yeah.
Very Apple.
Leo Dion (home): And of course, like, all the games, they're
all like these fancy 3D games.
It's not like, Oh, this game really helped us catch the whale and we made
a ton of money with these addictive...
It's like, no.
It's like, let's do, let's talk about really fancy games and stuff, so.
Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it, so the iPhone, you can order the Apple
Watch Ultra now, probably the Series 9 now, and it will be available on
the 22nd, so, yeah, anything else you want to mention about the Apple Watch?
Evan Stone (guest): So yeah, they have the new processor.
So that's awesome.
But it's not only on the ultra, but also the series nine they're
claiming all day battery life, which I mean, I was getting really good
battery life before before, before my watch started taking a nosedive.
I thought that was interesting that you can do name drop with the watch.
Maybe that was something they mentioned at WWDC that I missed.
Leo Dion (home): Think so.
That goes into the whole new ultra wideband,
Evan Stone (guest): Yes.
Leo Dion (home): think.
So the ultra wideband chip was introduced on iPhone 11, so now
we're getting a new version of that.
And I think, so A, you get better find my phone, right?
And then on top of it, like, I think the name drop on the
watch is a new thing as well.
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
Cause they, they're
Leo Dion (home): believe you need the new hardware or possibly
their soft, they're only going to allow it almost either way.
Like I think namedrop was definitely an iOS 17 thing, but as far as
like, whether it's something like on the new hardware for the Apple
watch, I'm not sure about that.
Yeah.
Evan Stone (guest): evidently, or at least assisted by it,
because they did mention Series 9 has the ultra wideband in it.
So,
Leo Dion (home): they'll, I assume it's part of the SOC.
I would assume.
Evan Stone (guest): so I wasn't, yeah, I wasn't sure if that was completely
new, if, I'm assuming it was new with the new S9 system on a chip thing.
So, so that's cool.
That's, yeah and so you get that benefit whether you're on the 9 or
the Ultra, which is Pretty cool.
Leo Dion (home): No new se this year.
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, I thought that was interesting.
And what do you think of the double tap?
Leo Dion (home): so I was gonna,
Evan Stone (guest): that's supported on both.
Leo Dion (home): I put a link in the notes because this sounds a lot like
something that they've introduced.
That they've been talking about for the last year or so.
And there's this, like, Assistive touch stuff,
Evan Stone (guest): right.
Leo Dion (home): they have briefly touched upon and had some videos on.
And I'm curious about like how it's related to assistive touch.
Double tap is awesome.
Like I wish there was more stuff like that.
As far as like, just allowing you to do more gestures similar to what they're
doing with the vision pro, right.
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, it's a, it's exactly like it.
It's the same gesture.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
And I wish there was more stuff like that because.
I just wish, I think I mentioned it in the Slack.
Like I wish I could do double tap, so I don't have to take
the call and it just goes away.
I would do the opposite thing.
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
Can we have double
Leo Dion (home): I'm in the middle of something right now.
Can I not answer this call?
Like,
Evan Stone (guest): Dismiss the call.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah, exactly.
Have you looked at any of that assistive touch stuff?
Evan Stone (guest): haven't, but I thought it was very interesting
when it, when they announced it, because like you said, I think
that was a year ago or two years.
I don't, I'm not sure how long ago, but but yeah, it's it's
amazing that they can track that.
On with the watch, you know what you're doing with your hand and
that it that they have sensors in there that can actually do that.
That's remarkable to me and I don't do any, watch development, but it
would be interesting to see what options are available for that.
If you can tap into that, what you can do with it
Leo Dion (home): let's see what else I had in my notes.
Evan Stone (guest): That's an accessibility option that even
Leo Dion (home): Yeah, it is.
Evan Stone (guest): average watch developer can tap into and do cool stuff
with, it'd be pretty, pretty impressive.
Leo Dion (home): Do you want to talk about the environment stuff?
It was a cool skit.
I liked the
Evan Stone (guest): we could, yeah.
That's what I would love.
I, yeah, I thought that video was the the environmental video was was fun.
I'm not, I think it's good that Apple is doing all of these environmental things.
It's not necessarily a reason for me to buy Apple products
because of that, but I think it's great that they're doing that.
And and that video with Octavia Spencer was that was.
That was great.
I, in fact, I want to watch it again just to see that because it was so
entertaining And it made you think about things like, huh, I wouldn't, it's
interesting that they're doing these environmental things like the carbon
footprint elimination Going carbon neutral with Apple Watch Both of the
Series 9 and the Ultra Depending on what band you get and those kinds of things
are they're interesting and it's great that they're being very conscientious
about that and it makes you think a little bit more i think about the things
that we do and you know do we find that important i you know i think it's
really cool that they're not only making these amazing products but they're
also doing those initiatives as well
Leo Dion (home): Two things.
One is I usually get the Nike watch and
Evan Stone (guest): oh do you okay
Leo Dion (home): looks awesome.
Evan Stone (guest): yeah
Leo Dion (home): it's too bad I will not be getting a Nike watch,
but I liked the little speckle of recycled material in the band.
I thought that looked really cool.
And then the other, what's that?
Evan Stone (guest): The Nike faces?
I think did I miss I think I looked away for a second and they showed
some of the Nike faces and then the last one that they showed in that
video, I was like, what is that?
Oh, it's a Nike face.
I won't be getting a Nike watch, so I won't have access
to that, I don't think.
Unless there's a way to get the access to those faces.
I didn't, I don't
Leo Dion (home): I think they're, even though they're software,
I think they're locked out of
Evan Stone (guest): Right.
Like, it knows what type of watch it
Leo Dion (home): Sorry, you spent too much money on a watch.
You can't get the
Evan Stone (guest): Right.
Leo Dion (home): And then, yeah, I I always wonder, and I don't know if you
know the answer to this or if anybody else does, feel free to chime in,
but how does the environmental stuff affect, like, the fact that Apple
like they assemble a lot of stuff, but they don't really make a lot of stuff.
If you know what I mean?
Like the screen comes from Samsung, the chip comes from Foxconn.
Like how does that carry down their environmental initiatives when it
comes to the actual, like whatever you
Evan Stone (guest): Their third party folks that they work
Leo Dion (home): or whatever.
Yeah.
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, I don't know.
It's a good question.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
That's a good question.
But Hey.
Evan Stone (guest): Apple strikes me as the type to be able to use their
influence, to motivate the people they work with to go in that direction.
Whether they would or not, or whether they do or not, I don't know.
But throw a little more money at the problem, maybe that
would help, or I don't know.
It's an interesting question, though.
Leo Dion (home): IPhone 15.
Are you buying an iPhone 15?
Evan Stone (guest): It was not on my list.
Until I saw two things.
Even the USB C was not really enough to motivate me.
I thought that's great.
I love the convenience of now my iPad Pro and my, the
phone would have the same.
And even the AirPods Pro.
I thought that was great too.
They converted that as well.
But so iPhone 15, I was not planning on it.
Until I saw a, the titanium
Leo Dion (home): Well, that's a pro that's a pro.
Let's just talk about the
Evan Stone (guest): Oh 15.
Okay.
15.
Regular.
No, it's not on my radar.
Leo Dion (home): My initial thought was like, I'd rather get an iPhone
14 Pro that has a bunch of other bells and whistles attached to it,
than get an iPhone 15 at this point.
Because it's like, yeah, you save 100.
I want to try out the Dynamic Island.
Like, that's the thing, is I have an old enough phone now that, and
going back to what you said, like, the V1 is never like, I'd rather
get the V2 of something, and Dynamic Island is a classic example of that.
So it was like, I'm either going to get a 14 or a 15.
So, yeah, so like, I just don't like you get so many features with the 14
pro over the 15, like the promotion always on screen, probably like it
just, and probably the cameras honestly, probably better, even though there
might be some more fancy machine learning in the 15, I would assume
you get a better camera on the 14 pro.
So it's like, yeah, I don't know.
That's my thinking.
Evan Stone (guest): I got the sense that it's, it felt like
the camera from the 14 pro.
Was in the 15, but I could be wrong about that.
I'm not a, camera photography guy So I don't keep track of,
excuse me, I don't keep track of all of those details, super
Leo Dion (home): the 15 Pro has three lenses as opposed to the 14,
er, 15 has only two lenses, the 14 Pro always has the three lens.
So, you, I don't see how you would ever get a better camera, technically.
So, yeah, right.
Evan Stone (guest): No, that's probably a good strategy If you're
trying, if you're just deciding between those two options, like,
at this point 14 Pro would probably still be a better option than a 15 Or
Leo Dion (home): yeah, so,
Evan Stone (guest): the 15 plus I totally forgot about
the 15 plus, you know that
Leo Dion (home): do you like, are you a big screen person
or a small screen person?
Evan Stone (guest): yeah, I'm I've always had ever since the
six plus I've gone with the oh, I'm sorry I take that back.
I did get an iPhone 10, but the next phone after the iPhone 10 I
was back to the large displays.
So So, yeah I have a 14 pro max right now, and I think I'm gonna stick with
that even though every once in a while I, like if I go, if I ask my wife for
her phone, she has a 12 PRO, and I go this is actually not a bad form factor
So, I
Leo Dion (home): What do you feel like you gain out of I have a Max as well,
like, and I don't know if I'd go Max, say, with Max or go with regular Pro.
What do you like, what's your feeling on it?
Evan Stone (guest): I just, I like the larger screen.
I feel like it.
It makes things, yeah, there's just more to it, right, and it has a
slightly better camera, also, I think,
Leo Dion (home): right, yeah, that's true, that is true, right, right.
So let's get
Evan Stone (guest): about that, but,
Leo Dion (home): yeah, let's get into the Pro so why what
entices you about a 15 Pro?
Evan Stone (guest): Okay, yeah, so the 15 Pro, for me, that, that
material, that titanium, having a, it's stronger, lighter, thinner borders.
Made out of the same stuff the Mars Rover is made out of.
No, that's not really a selling point for me.
But the brush texture, it's a really awesome looking phone.
Even though, I put mine in a case, so I probably wouldn't even see that.
But but having a lighter phone would be nice.
Yeah,
Leo Dion (home): Yeah so, yeah.
Evan Stone (guest): then also the other feature for the pros for me was
the Camera, and I don't know what do we want to do the spoiler thing with
the spatial camera So doing spatial video for me that was the one Thing
that I saw that I thought oh now I have to upgrade at least I think I do
Leo Dion (home): I think that was the thing that I was like,
well, it sounds like they're not going to even have that this year.
That I'm like, I'll just get the 14 Pro.
And then when they announced that today, I was just like...
Yeah, I have to get the 15 pro.
Is it only on the max or is it on both?
Evan Stone (guest): I think it's on both
Leo Dion (home): Okay.
Okay.
But the fifth,
Evan Stone (guest): That's my understanding.
Leo Dion (home): the max is the one that has the six X
optical zoom, is that correct?
Evan Stone (guest): I think so.
Leo Dion (home): Okay.
This is what happens when you record right after the event.
Let me look real quick.
Evan Stone (guest): looking at the
Leo Dion (home): Come on, camera, pro camera,
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, where is the camera?
Leo Dion (home): digital zoom, optical zoom on the pro is only 3x
optical zoom on the max is 5x 3x
Evan Stone (guest): Three X on the pro.
And then,
Leo Dion (home): and no 3d sensor shift optical image
stabilization and autofocus.
I assume that 3d thing is probably for spatial video.
I'm gonna assume that and I could totally be wrong and
somebody can call me out on it.
But my, my my thinking is, I think you can only do
spatial video on the Pro Max.
Cause I don't see spatial...
Spatial audio, but they don't say anything about spatial video.
Evan Stone (guest): oh, that's not even on the tech specs.
Leo Dion (home): yeah, that's what I'm looking at.
Because I assume that's a software thing, probably, that will be in 17.
2 at this point.
So, yeah.
Spatial video.
It's on the first part.
So, because that's a software thing that isn't available yet.
Evan Stone (guest): I bet if we went back into the event video and checked
Leo Dion (home): Take spatial videos on the 15 Pro and relive them on the Apple.
So maybe that is on either one.
Evan Stone (guest): I would hope so.
Leo Dion (home): But you like the bigger phone anyway, what do you care?
Evan Stone (guest): I know.
I know.
though I've been thinking of, okay.
So.
Yes, I like the bigger phone, but having tried the smaller one, I've also
liked, it's an interesting form factor.
For me, it would feel like a little bit downsizing, but it could play
into the strategy of buying this year's smaller phone and then being
a, doing the thing where, I could pass on the pro from this year.
To my wife who prefers a smaller phone next year, and then just
do that kind of cycle where
Leo Dion (home): Gotcha and then that way you and your
wife are on the same size and
Evan Stone (guest): Exactly.
Yeah.
I've been toying around with that idea.
I've also been thinking about doing the upgrade program,
if that's a thing still.
I don't I thought it was
Leo Dion (home): so how often do you buy a new phone?
Evan Stone (guest): I don't really buy a phone all that often.
But with an upgrade program like that, I don't know, I might be
inclined to, to do that every year.
I don't
Leo Dion (home): Okay.
Evan Stone (guest): I want to see how that all works.
I've every every year I well not every year, but whenever I am
going to search for a phone, I look at the specs or the details
of that and I think not this time.
So,
Leo Dion (home): yeah, I think last year, so the iPhone 11
pro max was my last phone.
And I actually bought that used.
That's my current phone.
I actually bought it used the year of the iPhone 12 because I just was not
impressed with anything on the 12th.
And I was like, I want dark.
So I had a I had a 10 S before that.
Evan Stone (guest): Oh, okay.
Leo Dion (home): And that I had bought brand new.
And then before that I bought the eight plus brand new.
I did not buy a 10 cause I wanted to save some money.
I didn't really care about.
Face ID and all that stuff.
But the iPhone 11 pro, I was like, I had to get that because I really
wanted the dark at night photos.
And then everything since then, other than maybe the dynamic Island, there
really hasn't been anything that's like enticed me and then just the battery.
Gotten worse.
It's a five year old phone, as you might imagine.
And like, I wanted something with a dynamic island and I figured there's
been enough upgrades in the last three or four years, that's worth it.
And it's like, okay, so this year it's either 14 pro or 15 pro.
And like you said, spatial video.
That's it.
Like that does it for me.
Evan Stone (guest): Yep.
Leo Dion (home): the, there's a bunch of other stuff that I liked about the
pro, but really that spatial video thing is the thing I was waiting on.
I was like, I'll buy a 14 and the next year they'll come out
with spatial video, but now they already have it out this year.
So like now I'm like, I gotta get it.
I gotta get the new one.
So yeah.
How much space do you usually get?
Evan Stone (guest): Typically I think I've been edging up, I
think I have a 512 right now.
I, but I think I probably could have got a 2 56 and not, I would've, I
would be creeping up to, filling it up, but, or maybe I am over it.
Anyway, so I'm happy with the five 12.
I think that was the right decision on this last one.
Leo Dion (home): price
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
So
Leo Dion (home): 1TB, unless I could get all my photos on there, which I
can't because I have too many photos, like, I think I'm just gonna stick
with 512 again and it's perfectly fine.
Evan Stone (guest): yeah.
And if, yeah.
Well then we have the spatial video thing of like how dense is that?
I don't know.
Leo Dion (home): Well, I don't know if you know this, but Apple likes
to make money off of services, and they offered a new service this year,
Evan Stone (guest): Yes.
Leo Dion (home): the 6TB plan.
So, yeah, I think they know exactly what they're doing here,
Evan Stone (guest): I was really happy about that.
Leo Dion (home): No, I'm happy about it too, because I'm sick
Evan Stone (guest): so
Leo Dion (home): out of space.
Evan Stone (guest): right?
So all our, all my family is on a two terabyte and I've, I just
checked, maybe I want to say maybe a month ago or whatever.
And I was concerned that.
Oh, no two terabytes, the limit and
Leo Dion (home): How many people are we talking here?
Evan Stone (guest): and it's just three of us, but my daughter takes
a lot of video and she shares a lot of videos and gets a lot of, so a
lot of her video stuff ends up in in iCloud and I have quite a bit too.
So, so the fact that they're introducing new plans.
is such a welcome change.
I'm really glad that they're doing that.
Leo Dion (home): So the two older daughters have now devices of their own.
And by devices, an old iPhone and an old Apple watch.
So we're not quite at a point where we are.
Taking up a lot of space.
However yeah, I don't, they, do they, what's the max right now on
the number of people in your family?
As you might, as I have a lot of people in my family, so that's why I asked
Evan Stone (guest): Right.
I don't know.
Is
Leo Dion (home): But luckily they're youngins, so they
don't really have accounts.
I can see.
In a few years that becoming an issue.
I'll have to file a feedback back item for that.
We'll see.
But yeah, if you have a daughter who takes a lot of Video?
That's, yeah, I could see that eat away.
Especially spatial video in the next year or two.
Yeah.
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
And unfortunately, they haven't changed the iCloud plus information.
So if you go to apple.
com iCloud, it still says it has two terabytes as the top end.
So.
Leo Dion (home): So did they, explain again, do they up everybody's to six?
Or do you have to pay more for six?
Evan Stone (guest): Oh, that is a really good question.
Let me, let's see if I have that screenshot.
I got the cents that we had to pay.
Leo Dion (home): I would assume Apple would not.
Evan Stone (guest): I would, yeah, I'd assume that we just
have to pay more for the 6 and 12.
Leo Dion (home): I would assume so as well.
Evan Stone (guest): So, but, I'm, oh, I'm glad that they didn't do, yeah,
so it's, yeah, it's, so they still have the 2 and then there's 6 and 12.
They don't mention any prices there.
But my assumption is that you just pay more and you get more space.
I'm glad they didn't do 2, 4, 6.
So now we have a lot more space here.
This is great.
Leo Dion (home): Right.
Evan Stone (guest): Of course, I haven't seen the prices yet, so I
may not be that great, ultimately.
Leo Dion (home): Anything else you want to talk about
concerning the event today?
Evan Stone (guest): Let's see.
I didn't know if, did we want to talk about the A 17 at all?
I don't have much to...
Leo Dion (home): the same.
Evan Stone (guest): Talk about it other than, oh, it's, we
haven't, it's a new processor and
Leo Dion (home): the three millimeter one?
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, three nanometer.
So that's a, that's a big.
A big deal.
No.
I'm not one of these processor spec type people who watches that, but
the smaller that gets, the more they can fit and it makes it, they
can do more, they can be faster, more cores and that kind of stuff.
And so it looks like they're still trying to push the envelope on that.
It sounds like they did some really good stuff with the GPU
higher frame rates, ray tracing.
The ray tracing demo was pretty impressive.
I'm not a real gamer, so I don't I didn't really have much to compare
against, but it looked cool, and I was thinking in terms of Vision Pro.
Like, maybe that's something that is a byproduct of that work too.
Leo Dion (home): Well, the Vision Pro is an
Evan Stone (guest): Vision Pro's gonna be, yeah, M2, yeah.
Leo Dion (home): Or M2, yeah, right.
Evan Stone (guest): yeah, so, but, at this point they're all cousins,
so they probably share ideas and design and that kind of stuff.
But, Oh, we, you know what we didn't talk about?
We didn't talk about the action.
We didn't talk about the action button.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
Evan Stone (guest): and the phone.
And so what do you think about that?
Leo Dion (home): It's nice.
It's good that we moved it.
Like, let's be honest.
Most people silence their phones and never, like, Unless you're people
who don't silence their phones tend to be not very technically savvy.
So it's nice to see that you can add, like, now you have an action
button that you can customize.
Like there's a, there's definitely a lot of great ideas that they talked about.
And then, I assume that their shortcut implementation as well.
What did you think about it?
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
So I'm thinking the same line of thought that you were just talking
about, which is that at first I thought, well, why would I want that?
I really like having the hardware silence button, but then I thought.
I like literally never turn it off.
I always have it silenced.
So, so then I started thinking, well, actually that
makes a lot of sense to me.
I would be happy to have that.
In my control center, I would, silencing, if I could have that
in my control center, just pull down silence, I'm fine with that.
And then have the side button be used for other things.
I think that's great.
Like the photo, using it for it to take pictures or the shortcut thing.
I'm not, I'm, again, I'm not a huge shortcut and I'm not a power
user with shortcuts, but it could be cool, I guess to to use that.
Leo Dion (home): and I'm curious if you can like customize it to be like.
One tap does this, long tap does that, double tap does this,
triple tap does this, like, I don't know, I would assume so.
So, yeah, I, we're both, we're getting two action buttons.
Assuming you get an ultra, like, so,
Evan Stone (guest): thinking the same thing about the ultra.
Leo Dion (home): So, yeah there's a lot you could do with ultra.
Or the action
Evan Stone (guest): accessible to us as developers is the action button
accessible to us on Apple watch ultra?
Okay, so that's cool.
So maybe it would be available to us as well.
This is the action button on iPhone 15 Pro So, it opens up
some interesting possibilities.
Again, that's, it's not really a selling point to me.
It's cool and it'll be interesting to see.
And it, by default, it acts as a silent button.
So that's fine.
Leo Dion (home): I think it's I think it's good that we don't
have a hardware switch that may be allowing damage to an iPhone.
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
Leo Dion (home): in kind of the same way that we got rid of a hardware
switch that Hardware home button and switch that to in between getting rid
of the home button, we switch that to software button, so I think like that
to me, like, Hey, if it reduces water damage or anything else, go for it.
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
Yeah.
It makes a lot of sense.
Leo Dion (home): People don't buy ringtones anymore.
So if you wanted to buy a ringtone, unfortunately you can't really
have a ringtone for iPhone 15 pro.
So, yeah.
Evan Stone (guest): We didn't really discuss the USB C stuff, did we?
Or,
Leo Dion (home): We did it!
Thank you, Evan.
Because everybody has been talking about it for weeks beforehand,
so it's like, it totally was like, yeah, we know it's USB C.
So, iPhone 15 gets USB C, but it's USB 2 speeds, I believe.
So it's basically no faster than what you get in a
Evan Stone (guest): Oh, I see.
Okay.
Leo Dion (home): The Pro, you can get a Thunderbolt
cable, and then now you can...
It'll actually, like, be Thunderbolt speeds, which is, I think, a thousand
times faster than what USB 2 is.
I, that was something that interested me based on the rumors, because I
would be curious to see if it's a lot faster to debug on an iPhone
Pro with a Thunderbolt cable.
And also, as Apple watch developer it's better, but still could
be even more, more better.
So I'd be curious about that.
But yeah, yeah.
What do you think?
Evan Stone (guest): I didn't catch the thing about the Thunderbolt,
but now that totally makes sense.
I thought it was just USB 3, but if it's Thunderbolt, then that would make
their sales pitch about the, doing video straight to an external drive.
Like an external SSD or whatever, that would make a lot of sense
being able to and with that high,
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
The extra external SSD or external hard drive is amazing.
That's going to be
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah.
Yeah, that, no that's really cool.
Not that I would ever use it, but for people who are doing
video that's pretty cool.
And so USB C would enable that.
You can't do it with lightning.
The, I thought just on practical terms having, I guess we did
mention this before but AirPods Pro 2, the new version also is USB
C and I thought interesting too.
They're the the cabled AirPods.
They're having a USB C version of that too but that makes sense because
Leo Dion (home): does that come with the iPhone?
Evan Stone (guest): one.
No, I don't think it comes anymore.
No.
Yeah, you'd have to buy it separately.
Leo Dion (home): So finally you can get external storage for your iPhone.
Take that Android.
Evan Stone (guest): that's right.
Leo Dion (home): No ringtones, but we have external storage now.
Yay!
Evan Stone (guest): Ha.
Right.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
You could have massive thunderbolt storage.
Leo Dion (home): Could you just imagine like 12 south or like
one of these companies coming out with like New hard drive case
for the iPhone just what is it?
Just like a external power battery thing you have now external hard
drive and then that's your phone Maybe make it look like it one of those
nice satellite phones from the 80s.
Yeah.
Evan Stone (guest): Exactly.
Yeah, totally.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah, do you want to talk about Swift Remote Studio?
Evan Stone (guest): Sure yeah, we can talk about that for a little bit,
because the last time we chatted, I think we did talk about it, and at
that point, it was things went a little bonkers, and I wasn't sure I wanted
to continue with it, right, so I I was all, there was all this buildup.
I got like 141 people joined to V1 of Swift Remote Studio.
And then then it really turned out that nobody wants that as a service, right?
Nobody wants to pay for that, for co working virtual service.
So I thought, well, okay, let's just go back and fall back and see
what makes the most sense for today.
And what people would join.
And so I thought, well, maybe not a coworking service, but what
about just a coworking community?
And so that's where we're at now.
And it just has been building up.
We're almost.
Back to a hundred a hundred members.
I think as far as active members are concerned, I want to say somewhere
like 10%, like maybe 10, that we see on a regular basis today was.
Awesome for the viewing party that we did.
You were there, which was great.
Thank you for coming we had a bunch of other folks some of the regulars
they're like three or four regulars that we see at most of the other events
but then new people showed up too.
So it was really great.
I think we had I want to say There was probably about nine
or ten of us there, right?
Leo Dion (home): it was a good crowd.
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, so, so and then there was a lot of chatter
on the, in the slack, in the Apple events slack about it today,
people posting comments about it.
So I thought today was probably the most successful.
event that we've had in a long time with Swift and Road Studio.
And and it's just been in growing and it's, I've noticed that it's really
taken off just within the last, I want to say two to three months or so.
Because it went from, I was looking at the numbers and and Josh Rock
of DoMarkz, he's been, with me since the start on this project
and and I was telling him that just commenting to him about the the
fact that it was like, what, 40?
And then 60 and then 80 and then just this last week it was like 95 and so
we were just having this discussion and it's remarkable to see that it's
really taken off and it's great to see and people seem to really enjoy it.
We have The two weekly things that we do are the just a kind of a coffee meetup.
We call it Swift Remote Coffee.
And that happens on Wednesdays at 9 a.
m.
Pacific.
And then we do a goal setting meeting on Fridays.
And that happens at 12.
30 p.
m.
Pacific.
And the the coffee thing is just everybody on zoom chatting, yeah, chit
chat, what's happening, usually we get into the swift developer kind of
topics like frustrations with swift UI or whatever the latest thing, or
actually lately it's been swift data has been, and all the new beta stuff
that we've gotten from WWDC then on Fridays, the goal setting meeting.
Has been really useful because usually it's pretty lightly attended.
I want to say usually four or five of us.
And then but we talk about we set goals and then the next meeting you
say, well, what of those goals that you set, did you achieve those?
Or not, and then.
What you plan to do for the next week.
And so, and if you keep that cycle up then it really helps you to keep on
track with side projects or whatever.
Some people use it for education, so they have educational goals.
So they're keeping those.
And somewhere along the line, we started posting those in Slack too.
So to keep a little more accountability and it helps you too, because if you
post it there, then you can refer to it, the following week, like what
did I say that I was going to do?
And so.
Yeah, it seems to be helping.
A lot of folks are achieving their goals.
So it's turned out to be a nice program
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
Sounds awesome.
I love it.
We'll post links in the show notes so people can take a look and join.
Yeah, it's fantastic.
I think people should definitely get involved.
So, was there anything else you wanted to mention before we close out?
Evan Stone (guest): I don't think so.
I
Leo Dion (home): Are you doing an Apple vision pro lab?
Evan Stone (guest): I did one in August.
Leo Dion (home): Awesome.
Evan Stone (guest): yeah, in the middle of all, yeah, it was
awesome and I can't talk about it.
So, no what I no, what I can say, what I can say is there was on developer.
apple.
com.
There was this article and I can dig up the link but it had
Michael Simmons and it had Dave Smith underscore Dave Smith on.
Listed in there.
A couple other developers too about their reactions
to the Apple Vision Pro Lab.
And what I can say is, everything that they say is exactly the way that I felt.
The only...
Leo Dion (home): just drive there, right?
Cause you're in California.
Evan Stone (guest): Yes, I theoretically I could, and if I do another round of
this, then I will go, I'll do the dawn patrol, I'll probably have to leave here
at like 5am to get there, well enough in time, if there's a traffic and that
kind of stuff in the Silicon Valley.
But but what I did was I stayed over the night before.
And just went directly there and it was a really nice experience.
Everybody's super friendly, super helpful.
They had what was nice was they had the mix of staff that there's going
to be staff on hand to help you.
So what was great is they had a kind of a mix of folks that could help
based on any issues that came up.
But yeah, and especially the thing that, that, That impacted me the most
was the thing that David Smith talks about in his comments on that article.
Which is that the audible gasp that happens because it, it does.
It's like, it's a breathtaking experience the first time you
try it and it's nothing like doing it on the simulator.
Leo Dion (home): Yeah.
I would
Evan Stone (guest): it's a, it's vastly different.
Yeah.
Highly recommend.
If there's any way you can get to, unfortunately, they
didn't have too many locations.
I, Cupertino is the only one in the US, right?
So, yeah that's unfortunate.
Yeah,
Leo Dion (home): did you, I don't know if you're going to answer this.
Did you come away with it with like a, Oh yeah, moment where you're
like, okay, now I see I have an app idea that makes total sense here.
Where it was before you were just like, eh, like, I'm
not sure this is a good fit.
Evan Stone (guest): The, what I had was the opposite effect.
I went in with at least one or two ideas of what I wanted to do.
And as it turns out the things that I wanted to do are
not possible to do with it.
And it's all, that's all public because the, if you look
on the privacy information.
Document that they have in the documentation for vision pro, there's
an article on the privacy protection, which they specifically say in there
that you do not have access to cameras.
So the idea that I had involves using cameras for like an AR kind of purpose.
And as per that document the ideas that I had were actually.
Negated.
So it turns out that I came up with less ideas, but I definitely
came away realizing that the experience is much more than what
on the simulator, and it definitely gets the juices flowing, right?
And you start thinking, well, okay, if I can't do this, what can I do?
And so for that, I'm hoping I can get another opportunity to go back because
the other issue that I ran into, and this is what everybody knows, is that I
went when Xcode beta six was released.
And if you had a Swift data application, you could not
deploy that to any hardware.
I couldn't deploy it to my phone.
If I tried to run it, yeah.
And so.
So I wasn't able to deploy that to any devices.
Hint.
So So even though I can't talk about my experience you could gather
from that if I can't deploy it to a phone You can by extension see
think of what other devices I could
Leo Dion (home): This is not something I'm aware of as a person who's been
doing Mac development on Xcode 15.
So I did not know you couldn't do that.
That's that
Evan Stone (guest): No, so so it was literally just The beta it was beta
5 and beta 6 I believe definitely beta 6 the What happened was they
released an iOS Release that had a different beta interface or not
beta interface, but the binary
Leo Dion (home): what you mean.
Shared
Evan Stone (guest): for for Swift data.
Yeah they were, they didn't align.
And so, and they knew about it, they copped to it.
So they agreed that it was a problem.
So it was resolved in beta seven, but by that time I had already been to the lab.
So it was hopefully I can get another shot at it.
So, so we'll see.
Anyway, but it was a great experience.
I highly recommend if anyone, if you're close to Apple Park, or if you can just,
if you can finagle making it there, I highly recommend going to a lab.
It's worth it.
Leo Dion (home): Thank you, Evan, so much for coming on the show.
Where can people
Evan Stone (guest): you, Leo.
You can find where, can you find me?
Gosh, I think well, I'm, there's swift remote studio.com.
There is the U R L for that.
And then on Mastodon you can find me.
I'm on let's see, Evan case stone at iOS dev space.
So, that's my preferred.
I, I stick to Mastodon now.
I'm not doing much with Twitter or x or whatever it is.
And any of the other things, I just it doesn't interest me that much right now.
Maybe it'll settle down to the point where where it will, I'm on Blue Sky and
I'm on threads and and still on Twitter, but I don't ever check those things.
So it's pretty much just masked it on at this point.
Leo Dion (home): Thank you again, Evan, for coming on the show.
It's good to talk about this fun stuff.
Evan Stone (guest): Yeah, it was great.
Leo Dion (home): people can find me on Twitter.
X, whatever.
At LeoGDion and Massadonim at LeoGDion dot C at C dot IM.
My website.
Company websites break digit.
So take a look at there for all past episodes and other articles
and stuff We've got some good stuff on there thank you so much.
If you're watching this on youtube, please like and subscribe if you're
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You want to say something?
Evan Stone (guest): Could I make a plug also for iOS death break, the podcast
Leo Dion (home): absolutely.
Yeah, and we're ios dev break.
We'll put a link in the show notes to that how often do you put out episodes?
Evan Stone (guest): Very rarely, but I just put one out today.
Actually, I recorded yesterday, put it out today.
So, and the last one I did was like right before depth up,
so, but I'm really trying to pick up the cadence on that.
Doing
Leo Dion (home): that as well.
Evan Stone (guest): iOS dev break.com.
You can find it there.
Leo Dion (home): awesome.
Everybody have a good week.
Don't spend too much money.
I will talk to you later.
Have a good one.
Bye everyone.