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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun in practical
ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to

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the Bible Guys. I am Chris
and I'm Jeff, and we together make

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up the Bible Guys man, and
we talk about the Bible and fun and

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practical ways. There you go.
You know, who, how clever?

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There are people who actually don't believe
that the Bible is fun. But actually

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that's us were the Bible guys.
I don't believe we're fun. No,

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but seriously, don't you believe that
Jesus was fun? Sure? Yeah,

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I do think I believe he laughed. I believe he cut up with his

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disciples absolutely. Yeah. So anyway, so we are fun as well.

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And today we're going to start off
with a very fun segment. And what

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is the segment? Yeah, this
segment is who said it? It says

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Chris. You're going to read these
quotes from the Bible and see if Jeff

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can correctly guess who said each quote. So you want to race. That's

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going to make me look so bad? Well, you know it is?

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Okay, okay, is this going
to be? Is this going to be

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like a listener race. Yeah,
let's try that. So I'm gonna time.

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Don't skip on the points, dude, last time. You're going to

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give like a thousand points. No, no, no, there's going to

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be one hundred thousand points. Whoa. This is a big game per question

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game. So if they get the
answer before I do or okay, or

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if they just get the answer and
you don't and I don't, Yes,

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okay, one hundred thousand points.
Okay, So who's who said this?

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Aready? You have to understand the
character? Character? How can a man

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be born when he is old?
Can he enter a second time into his

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mother's womb? That's Nicodemus three?
Yes, so I guess a thousand points?

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Well guess what you finished before I
was even done with the quote.

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I know that's a good. Well, I'm trying to get these points.

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Yeah that's really good. Hopefully Uh
well, I was going to say hopefully,

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but no, I bet you know
what he beat you out there?

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Here we go. Number two?
What have I done to you that you

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have struck me these three times?
Bal donkey? Yes, yes, yes,

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that's really good. And I don't
remember what passage that is. Judge

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judges yes, that's what I thought. How about this one? I think

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maybe you ready? Huh? This
is John whom I beheaded. He has

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been raised from the dead Herod,
Herod. Yes, that is correct,

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King, King, King Herod.
I like to finally call him, Yes,

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oh kingly forever. Number four.
This is the one that's kind of

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tough. Look you have mocked me
and told me lies what. Look you

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have mocked me and told me lies
man alive. That sounds like Delilah.

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It is Delilah? Is it?
And ironically his girlfriend? Ironically, I

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just wrote this message last night.
I was writing for upcoming message in a

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couple of weeks and I just finished
this writing about Samson and Delilah, and

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so I literally just read this first
last night. Pretty crazy, okay.

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And then finally I have nothing to
do with that man, for I have

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suffered many things today in a dream
because of him. Uh A pilot's wife.

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Pilot's wife. You are five for
five for five five thousand points.

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That might be the most points ever
won in any in a game on the

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Bible. Guys. Yes, wow, so we're making history today. I'd

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like to thank everybody in my life
that's helped me get to this point,

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however, there's probably somebody out there
that got Delilah before you, because you

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took along till I took a long
time on Pilot too. Well, Pilot's

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wife not as long as Delilah.
Yeah, okay, both of those you

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get very good. Five for five. I'll take five hundred thousand points.

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Well, we are gonna is there
like a trophy or something? Am I

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gonna get a T shirt? Hang
on? Can I get like hanger saying

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how we go? Okay? I
was hoping maybe there'd be like a gift

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certificate to Golden Corral or something.
Golden Corral. Wow, you pulled that

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out of the eighties. Yeah,
there you go. A sizzler Ponderosa.

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Oh I love Ponderosa. When I
was a kid, I loved ponder Yeah.

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Okay, well, hey that makes
me happy. So I keep my

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Bible guys. Uh hang official Bible
cla Bible Guys fan club card. Hang

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on, Bennigan's Steak and Ale.
Yeah I remember Benigans. I don't remember.

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I never went to Steak and Ale, I don't think. But yeah,

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let's try to think of other ones
that were gone. Okay, so

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hey, we're launching a Genesis chapter
sixteen, verses one through sixteen. We're

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in our series called Milestones of the
Old Testament. Do we rest on milestones?

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I think so? Yeah, Okay, that feels good to me today.

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It does. That's what we're calling
it today. Okay, So in

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we're going to talk about Abraham and
Sarah. Are Abram and SARAHI and the

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birth of their first son? Okay, Now you remember we talked a couple

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days ago about how Abram was nervous
and he lied to the Pharaoh and about

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his wife. Yes, but then
you know, God said, hey,

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you know, Abram, I'm going
to make you a great man. I'm

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going to make your family great,
and I'm from your family. I'm going

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to bless the world. But at
this point they didn't have any kids,

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right, so no kids, and
he's old and he's getting older, and

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so the chances of Abram and Sarah
having babies is in their minds almost gone.

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And so here's what it says in
Genesis sixteen. This is really a

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weird story to be in the Bible. That's one of the reasons why you

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know the Bible's true, because if
you were making up a religion, you

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wouldn't write stuff like this right.
So here's what says. Now. Sarah,

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Abram's wife had not been able to
bear children for him, but she

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had an Egyptian servant named Hagar.
So Sarah I said to Abram, the

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Lord has prevented me from having children, Go and sleep with my servant.

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Perhaps I can have children through her. And Abram agreed with Sarah's proposal.

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So Sarah, Abram's wife took Hagar, the Egyptian servant, and gave her

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to Abram as a wife. This
happened ten years after Abram had settled in

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the land of Canaan. So Abram
had sexual relations with Hagar. She became

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pregnant, but when Hagar knew she
was pregnant, she began to treat her

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mistress Sarah with contempt. Then Sarah
I said to Abram, this is all

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your fault. I put my servant
into your arms, but now that she's

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pregnant, she treats me with contempt. The Lord will show who's wrong,

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you or me. Abram replied,
look, she's your servant, so deal

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with her as you see fit.
Then Sarah I treated Hagar so harshly that

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she finally ran away. The angel
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water in the wilderness along the road
to shore. The angel said to her,

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Hagar, Sarah's servant, where have
you come from? Where are you

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going? I'm running away from my
mistress Sarah, she replied. The Angel

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of the Lord said to her,
return to your mistress, submit to her

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authority. And then he added,
I will give you more descendants than you

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can count. And the angel also
said, you are now pregnant and will

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give birth to a son, and
you are to name him Ishmael, which

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means God hears. For the Lord
has heard your cry of distress. The

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son of yours will be a wild
man, as untamed as a wild donkey.

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He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him.

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Yes, he will live in open
hostility against all his relatives. Therefore,

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Hagar used another name to refer to
the Lord who has spoken to her.

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She said, you are the god
who sees me. She also said,

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have I truly seen the one who
sees me? So that well was

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named beer lehai Roi, which means
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He can still be found near Kadish
and burried. So Hagar gave Abraham

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a son, and Abram named him
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when Ishmael was born. Wow,
well there you go. So we all

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know it's the god of Abraham,
the god of Isaac, and the god

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of jail Jacob. So the famous
name is Isaac. But here some people

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that I've met and had conversations with, they really don't realize that Abram's firstborn

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is Ishmael. That's correct. Now, what's really interesting about this is,

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you know, when I went over
to Israel and when I went into Bethlene

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Bible College, and we sat down
and we sat down with both Palestinians and

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also with Jews, and they were
giving their perspective of their modern day conflict,

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right, and they tied it all
the way back. And what's really

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interesting is is that over there you
sort of learn, you know, you're

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in the middle also of the world
of Muslims. Right. So Jerusalem,

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for a lot of people who don't
know, it is the capital. It

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is the epicenter of three of the
major world religions, right right of Judaism,

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you know, Jews City Jews.
It's the capital of the three monotheistic

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religions. Oh yeah, monotheistic.
Yeah, yeah, that's right. So

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Judaism, so all the Jews that
live there, they don't believe in Jesus,

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they believe in the Old Testament.
And then Christianity, which is,

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you know, the Christians who believed
that Jesus was the Messiah who showed up

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and obviously you know, lived and
died in Jewusalem. And then about what

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fifteen hundred years later, fourteen six
hundred, six hundred years, six hundred

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and thirty something years after Jesus,
okay, was Islam. Yeah, yeah,

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Mohammed, Mohammed, So the prophet
Mohammed. Muslims believed that the prophet

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Muhammad was directly related to Ishmael Ishmael. Yeah, And of course Judaism,

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the Jewish lineage is traced back directly
to Isaac, and so does Christianity then

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for Jesus, right, and so
this conflict has been going on. These

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two brothers, Ishmael and Isaac have
been fighting for well now four thousand years,

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four thousand years. Yeah. Yeah, it's so unbelievably simple if if

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you look at it that way,
it's like, look look at this promise

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from the Angel who says he's going
to be a wild man, and he's

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going to be openly aggressive for his
neighbors, to all his neighbors. And

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then, and if you look at
Muslims and Jews in the same you know,

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fighting over the same capital, right, the same piece of real estate

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Jerusalem and Jerusalem in fact, isn't
the Dome of the Rock exactly where the

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Temple it sits on the same foundation
as the Temple? Yeah, yeah,

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So the Temple Mount was a giant
complex where the Holy of Holies would have

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sat. Is maybe just off from
where the Dome of the Rock sits,

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but yeah, it's all in that
same complex where the Temple was. Yeah.

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And so in history, the Muslims
took advantage of the fact that the

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Temple was destroyed and they sort of
took over the land and they yeah,

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it was at the end of the
Crusades that they take in that spot and

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and uh, and then and then
took advantage of that and and and have

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the rightful claim of of of that
piece of land. Actually, that's really

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the big debate is they currently they
currently control it. Well, I was

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going to say they believe they have
the rightful less sure, sure, but

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Ishmael was not the father of Islam. Right, Ishmael was the father of

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most of those Arabic nations right in
the Middle East, and then out of

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that came eventually one of his ancestors, about six hundred years after Jesus,

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the prophet Muhammad that founded Islam.
So yeah, this is really astounding that

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that God, that the Angel of
the Lord had said to Hagar, listen,

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you know, he's going to be
a wild man. He's going to

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be constantly in battle. But man, there's going to be a big family

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that comes from him. And it's
true in the same way that God had

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said, there'll be a big family
that comes from the one, you know,

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from Abram and Sarah's child. So
here you have a lack of faith

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right right in SARAHI And they own
a person. She's Egyptian, probably came

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from when Pharaoh gave them wealth and
servants and all this kind of stuff.

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But Sarah felt like she owned Hagar
to the point that she that if Hagar

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had a baby, it was Sarah's
baby. Right. That's kind of the

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and and that concept has existed in
human history for thousands of years. Anyways,

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the idea of a servant, you
know, being a surrogate mother for

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a person. But anyways, the
Bible doesn't say it's right. The Bible

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just tells it the way it is
right, right, and that's what happened.

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But this lack of faith in this
moment has changed human history, right,

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right. You think how many social
conflicts, how many political conflicts,

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how many wars have been fought between
Ishmael and Isaac, right and for thousands

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of years, and it's all all
goes back to this one sinful moment,

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right. And you know it's interesting
too because so there's a lot of people

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that I know who you know,
they trust in God's promises. They they

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want you know, blessings, they
want results, They pray for a result.

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And sometimes it's not unreasonable requests,
you know, like hey, God,

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just please supply me a job.
You know, God, please please

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just you know, help me to
do this or this or that. Hey

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I pray for this person to accept
Christ, you know, I mean,

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these are not unreasonable requests. And
sometimes when circumstances build up and time goes

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on and there's distance and time,
people start to get discouraged and they say

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God hasn't spoken, God hasn't worked, God is not there, God doesn't

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care and these are all emotions,
right, I mean we're talking years here.

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The reason why Sarah I believed that
God hasn't given her children, or

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that your the Lord has prevented her
having children is because she was old.

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She was old at this point and
she's like, well, there's just no

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way. And so, you know, not realizing that God trumps all odds,

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right, right, God, God
is able to do whatever, regardless

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of circumstances. She realized that it
was going to still be another thirteen more

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years before God actually did it right. Right, God was just waiting until

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it was only God that could have
done this, right, that's what he's

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doing. God was going to get
all the glory for this miracle. And

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she was impatient in waiting, and
so is Abram. I mean, you

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have to say they both were,
because if Abram really believed God, he

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wouldn't have gone down that path either. So they both kind of they just

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took it into, you know,
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sometimes, you know, we just
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so contrary to our nature, especially
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so quickly. This is funny,
uh, I got I started found myself

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getting frustrated. You ever have one
of those days where you just feel like

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you're probably gonna have a bad day. Have you ever have you just woke

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up knowing this is probably going to
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I just kind of had this.
I don't know if I woke up

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on the wrong side of the bed
whatever. So you know my morning habit.

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I like to pull in and grab
a sausage MG muffin or a sausage

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biscuit or something and McDonald's And so
I pull in and I could just see

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the lady in front of me as
she's pulling up to the drive through is

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driving a little too slow. And
then have you ever gotten behind somebody in

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the drive through? And they look
at the menu like it's the first time

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they've ever been to McDonald's, rights, as if anybody another menu vasure.

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She says, Oh, gee,
I wonder what they serve? Right?

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So she's looking, hello, can
I take your welcome McDonald's? Can I

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take your order? Right? And
she's like, hang on just a minute,

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I'm thinking, and she's just looking, Okay, it's various versions of

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eggs, bread, and two meats, three meats, right if you take

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the Canadian bacon. That's it.
It's not super complex, and they're gonna

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give you a fried potato out the
window, so just pick one, right,

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And so she took so long,
and I just feel myself like almost

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saying bad words under my breath.
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upset. The other lane was blocked
off. Finally she pulls up. I

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pull up and I looked at my
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minutes. It just felt like forever. It felt so long, it was.

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poor old lady, you know.
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think, to drive up to the
window. She was just probably shouldn't have

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been driving, but you know,
just just been moving and instead of me

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being patients and patients in three minutes, I kind of started losing my temper

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three minutes, right, and I
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I can't just wait? And so
then when I find myself praying for a

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thing, you know, praying for
somebody, praying for God to intervene in

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a way, and I don't get
my answer in three days, I start

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getting impatient. If I don't get
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I just you know, and hear
Abram was waiting for decades, decades

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for this promise to come, And
so it's easy for us to look down

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on them. This idea of a
servant having a baby for her mistress was

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a culturally acceptable thing. It's not
morally acceptable, but it was culturally acceptable.

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You can understand how they would have
done that kind of thing. But

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they were waiting for decades for an
answer to prayer. And I can't wait

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three minutes to drive up for my
order in McDonald's. So it's hard for

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me to judge him, to judge
either one of them too hard on this

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one, even though it was wrong
what they did, certainly. And here

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the world suffers on an almost monthly
basis, there's some kind of violence happening

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in the Middle East between Abraham's sons. Yeah. And by the way,

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that reminds me of I. I
went to the ATM yesterday and I had

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two transactions. I put my card
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you know, you know how long
it takes to do a transaction. It's

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probably a couple of minutes. Yeah, sure, And then the car comes

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back out, But then I had
another account that I had to put something

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in, so I put my second
card in, and then the car behind

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me beaped, pulled, pulled out
and screamed, pulled out and went around

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the bank to the walk up teller
to the walk up because there's a drive

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through a walk up and they just
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That's right, there's a I was
just like, dude, come on,

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we should do a segment what made
the person behind Chris mad this week?

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Right? Right? Because I was
like, I was like, good gravy.

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I mean, like, there's no
more live tellers anymore. Yeah,

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right, we have to do our
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So yeah, so here they are. Sometimes God answered. God's expectation is

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that we wait. It's not that
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not yet, and He has his
purposes. And so if we can just

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accept that when God chooses to answer, it'll be at the best time,

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with the best solution for his purposes. And if we can understand that it's

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not about us, it's about him, then you know, we can have

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a lot more peace in it.
There's so many times like I think in

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the Book of Psalms, the Bible
says, be still and know that I

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am God right, And there's so
many of those moments. Wait on the

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Lord in the deuce season, He'll
lift you up. There's there's so many

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things like that that you know.
There's another sermon in here altogether about the

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creation of you know, it says
that Abram had sexual relations with Hagar and

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you know, and then all of
a sudden what ends up happening is the

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feelings begin to change. Right,
So there's something in there that tells us

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that that's how we know that that
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as much as people try to detach
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physical act and not like a soul
to soul act, right, the reason

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why there was a treating of contempt
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like, oh, I'm a servant, I'm going to provide a child and

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that's the end of it. No, there was an intimate relationship. There

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was a connection with you know,
the way that God designed man and woman

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to have children together. And then
and therefore there's you know, there's like

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an attraction, there's a there's a
loyalty, there's feelings, there's jealousy,

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there's all sorts of things that are
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the sermon is is that, hello, it's because that none of that was

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meant to be a physical transaction,
and it's certainly not meant to be a

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monetary transaction. That's exactly right,
right it is. It is designed for

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those feelings, It is designed for
those interactions. And the reason why you

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watch so many movies, and there's
movies built on this. In fact,

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I just read an article this morning
about it. Uh you know, uh

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uh it was a movie with Justin
Timberlake and Male Cunis, uh, just

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friends with benefits and and uh and
at the time it broke up their marriage,

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or it broke it broke them up
for a time. Jessica Biel she

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she actually wanted to read for that
part because she didn't want her husband to

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be or maybe it was the boyfriend
at the time, you know, to

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to to play in that movie with
somebody because they were gonna they were gonna

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have feelings for each other, and
of course they did. And what's so

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interesting is is that ironically the movie
itself was a movie about somebody who wanted

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it to be platonic, but they
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Right, and so it's like it's
like, it's because guys, let's

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wake up here. It's because God
designed it for marriage, for relationships for

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all time. Right, we can't
get around it, That's right. And

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then I think one of the beautiful
things is even as a result of the

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sin, God eventually shows back up
with Abram, but he meets Hagar in

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her distress, and she recognizes,
hey, God sees me, even this

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woman that committed sin with some guy
that wasn't her husband and she's carrying a

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child that was not the promised one. God says, hey, I haven't

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forgot about you. And she recognized
that that this Holy One sees me.

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Well, imagine, if you're Hagar
or Hagar or whoever you want to say

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it, imagine if you're heard,
you probably lived your whole entire life without

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feeling seen. Oh sure, right, and then and all of a sudden,

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you know you're the one now who
has Abram's child, and that's a

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pretty big deal. And then and
then you're thinking, Hey, why are

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you still treating me like this?
Lowly servant who's not being seen. All

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these emotions and then God reaches out
and understands and sees her. It's no

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wonder why she thought that the baby
would make her be seen. That was

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what was causing trouble in the tent, you know, in Abram's house,

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and instead it was her distress that
God shows up, and that's when she

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finally really felt seen. I think
we try to use all kinds of things

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in our life to to give us
what we're really wanting, and what she

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wanted was to be seen by God
and then she finally was right. So

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that's awesome. Well, hey,
that's a that's a some good applications there.

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So hopefully we will see you next
time as we pick up the series

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on the Bible guys. H m
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