WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:01.740 --> 00:00:04.540 A key component of the modern world economy, the chemical 00:00:04.540 --> 00:00:07.990 industry delivers products and innovations to enhance everyday life. 00:00:08.605 --> 00:00:12.594 It is also an industry in transformation where chemical executives and 00:00:12.594 --> 00:00:16.215 workers are delivering growth and industry changing advancements while 00:00:16.215 --> 00:00:19.974 responding to pressures from investors, regulators, and public opinion. 00:00:20.515 --> 00:00:23.445 Discover how leading companies are approaching these challenges 00:00:23.455 --> 00:00:25.064 here on the chemical show. 00:00:25.524 --> 00:00:28.875 Join Victoria Meyer, president of Progressio Global and 00:00:28.885 --> 00:00:30.305 host of the chemical show. 00:00:30.575 --> 00:00:34.775 As she speaks with executives across the industry and learns how they are leading 00:00:34.775 --> 00:00:40.374 their companies to grow, transform, and push industry boundaries on all frontiers. 00:00:40.695 --> 00:00:42.944 Here's your host, Victoria Meyer. 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:46.220 Victoria: Hi, this is Victoria Meyer. 00:00:46.460 --> 00:00:49.780 Welcome back to the Chemical Show, where chemicals means business. 00:00:50.230 --> 00:00:55.499 Today, I am at HCPA, the Household and Consumer Products Association, and I am 00:00:55.499 --> 00:01:01.966 speaking with Greg Adamson, who is the Senior VP of Government Affairs, Product 00:01:01.966 --> 00:01:04.866 Stewardship, and Sustainability at Jvaden. 00:01:05.336 --> 00:01:08.491 Um, And we're going to just be talking about Javadin. 00:01:09.041 --> 00:01:10.621 We're going to talk about Greg and we're going to talk 00:01:10.631 --> 00:01:12.331 about their role here at HCPA. 00:01:12.861 --> 00:01:13.841 Thanks for joining me today. 00:01:13.921 --> 00:01:14.551 Greg: It's a pleasure. 00:01:14.881 --> 00:01:18.851 Victoria: So tell me a little bit about yourself and how you got 00:01:18.871 --> 00:01:24.751 into this world of regulations and product stewardship and more. 00:01:25.051 --> 00:01:27.691 Greg: you know, I'd like to tell you that it was a conscious choice from 00:01:27.691 --> 00:01:30.421 when I was a baby, but I'd be lying. 00:01:30.871 --> 00:01:32.251 Um, so a little bit about me. 00:01:32.251 --> 00:01:35.971 I'm a, by training, I'm a toxicologist, so I'm. 00:01:36.406 --> 00:01:41.326 trained in the art of the science of poisons and preventing adverse effects 00:01:41.336 --> 00:01:43.516 of drugs, chemicals, and other things. 00:01:43.886 --> 00:01:48.746 Started out in Australia working and training and somebody said to me, I 00:01:48.746 --> 00:01:52.056 should come to the United States to get some experience on the industrial side. 00:01:52.056 --> 00:01:55.646 So I came over here and I started in the biotech industry in 00:01:55.706 --> 00:01:58.036 San Francisco, with Genentech. 00:01:58.176 --> 00:01:58.606 And. 00:01:58.666 --> 00:02:04.606 Um, but it was a short term contract, and things were going well, things didn't 00:02:04.606 --> 00:02:10.046 seem to be quite as interesting back in my homeland, and I went to P& G, they picked 00:02:10.046 --> 00:02:15.556 me up, worked for them for 10 years in varying degrees of different roles, and 00:02:15.556 --> 00:02:20.276 I at that point was starting to get into more regulatory, but a lot of toxicology, 00:02:21.006 --> 00:02:26.961 and I realized that I wanted to broaden my horizons, because What I do in 00:02:26.961 --> 00:02:31.421 toxicology underlies all of the regulatory things that we have to maintain. 00:02:32.181 --> 00:02:32.631 Victoria: Awesome. 00:02:32.631 --> 00:02:36.001 Greg: So I thought it was a good build, and at that point Avon 00:02:36.001 --> 00:02:39.391 Products asked me to run their regulatory and product safety= 00:02:39.391 --> 00:02:41.621 globally for their R& D organization. 00:02:42.381 --> 00:02:46.211 So I moved to the east coast which is where I've, you know, been and 00:02:46.211 --> 00:02:48.011 then finally I moved to Giverdon. 00:02:48.671 --> 00:02:52.611 Um, and, uh, spent three years in Europe with them and then came 00:02:52.611 --> 00:02:56.291 back, um, as the global head of regulatory and product safety here. 00:02:57.191 --> 00:02:59.591 Victoria: tell us a little bit about Givaudan because people 00:02:59.591 --> 00:03:00.901 may not be fully familiar. 00:03:01.471 --> 00:03:02.181 Greg: Yes, so Givadon 00:03:02.181 --> 00:03:02.271 Victoria: Nice. 00:03:02.271 --> 00:03:04.291 Greg: Yeah so Givedon has two main product areas. 00:03:04.291 --> 00:03:10.351 We make flavors and taste solutions for all types of foods, beverages, 00:03:14.861 --> 00:03:15.611 snacks. 00:03:16.311 --> 00:03:22.886 And then we have a fragrance division which designs all of the 00:03:22.886 --> 00:03:24.486 fragrances that you might like. 00:03:24.856 --> 00:03:29.456 We like to say that you've probably experienced us 29 times today already 00:03:29.456 --> 00:03:34.336 and you didn't know it because we make all the fragrances that go into those 00:03:34.336 --> 00:03:37.006 iconic products that everybody loves. 00:03:37.326 --> 00:03:40.896 So you think of fine fragrances like J'adore and Chanel No. 00:03:40.896 --> 00:03:44.696 5, but that's actually only a small part of what we do. 00:03:45.041 --> 00:03:50.001 We make, um, fragrances that go into the detergents, the cleaners, the air 00:03:50.001 --> 00:03:54.211 care products that make the home smell nice, hygienic, the, the cleaning 00:03:54.211 --> 00:03:59.021 products, those types of things, and then we also make cosmetic ingredients. 00:03:59.171 --> 00:04:03.371 So, and we're based out of Geneva, global company, we're nudging 00:04:03.381 --> 00:04:05.641 almost 8 billion now, Swiss francs. 00:04:06.001 --> 00:04:09.431 So, uh, it's a pretty, it's been a pretty fun ride, and I've 00:04:09.431 --> 00:04:11.231 been there for 18 odd years. 00:04:11.281 --> 00:04:12.581 Victoria: Yeah, that's wild. 00:04:12.891 --> 00:04:17.901 Um, and, and actually eight, almost 8 billion, uh, Swiss francs, I 00:04:17.901 --> 00:04:19.141 guess, is, is where you're at. 00:04:20.226 --> 00:04:25.296 on products that are probably tiny in the final finished product. 00:04:25.536 --> 00:04:25.866 that true? 00:04:25.866 --> 00:04:26.196 Greg: Yes. 00:04:26.526 --> 00:04:29.546 You know, one of the things that people don't understand when you can taste 00:04:29.556 --> 00:04:34.946 something or smell something, you think that there's a lot of it, um, in the food. 00:04:34.946 --> 00:04:39.946 So a classic, uh, classic story is we make the, uh, the chicken 00:04:39.956 --> 00:04:42.206 flavor for chicken noodle soup. 00:04:42.841 --> 00:04:44.491 We've done that for many, many years. 00:04:44.491 --> 00:04:48.021 I think there was actually a 60 minutes, uh, story about it. 00:04:48.371 --> 00:04:53.221 But the amount of flavor in the chicken noodle soup is microscopic compared 00:04:53.221 --> 00:04:55.761 to the rest of, so it's maybe 0. 00:04:55.761 --> 00:04:58.801 1 percent or less in the chicken noodle soup. 00:04:58.831 --> 00:05:02.301 And it's the same for fragrance because the materials we use are 00:05:02.301 --> 00:05:07.011 extremely strong and so we don't need much of them to give that benefit. 00:05:07.011 --> 00:05:07.531 (V) Interesting. 00:05:07.531 --> 00:05:08.261 So then what your tie to HCPA? 00:05:08.261 --> 00:05:13.786 V So why 00:05:13.958 --> 00:05:14.307 Victoria: we 00:05:14.396 --> 00:05:14.996 Greg: we been at H. 00:05:15.006 --> 00:05:15.186 C. 00:05:15.186 --> 00:05:15.436 P. 00:05:15.436 --> 00:05:15.546 A. 00:05:15.546 --> 00:05:20.756 In fact, jive it on around the world is member of trade associations all over the 00:05:20.756 --> 00:05:25.786 world because we we need to be involved in the evolution of regulations and 00:05:25.786 --> 00:05:31.206 managing the changes that we see that that are constantly striving to make 00:05:31.206 --> 00:05:32.946 sure our industry is safe and effective. 00:05:32.961 --> 00:05:35.491 Um, so we have two missions. 00:05:35.491 --> 00:05:41.111 One is to be a good industrial steward to make sure that we continue to make 00:05:41.111 --> 00:05:47.431 our industry as well as ourselves a strong citizen of the industry, um, 00:05:47.861 --> 00:05:52.351 to make sure products are safe to help the industry maintain that reputation. 00:05:52.351 --> 00:05:53.121 So H. 00:05:53.121 --> 00:05:53.281 C. 00:05:53.281 --> 00:05:53.481 P. 00:05:53.481 --> 00:05:53.551 A. 00:05:53.551 --> 00:05:56.921 is one vehicle to do that, but importantly, it's also a vehicle 00:05:57.321 --> 00:06:00.551 to help us with the rest of the industry when we need to. 00:06:01.376 --> 00:06:04.526 I would say influence in a positive direction, things that 00:06:04.526 --> 00:06:07.986 are happening to make sure we have viable industry going forward. 00:06:08.776 --> 00:06:08.816 sense. 00:06:09.616 --> 00:06:10.357 Um, and 00:06:10.606 --> 00:06:11.966 Victoria: you think about H. 00:06:11.976 --> 00:06:12.106 C. 00:06:12.106 --> 00:06:12.356 P. 00:06:12.356 --> 00:06:12.476 A. 00:06:12.506 --> 00:06:15.946 We've I've been having conversations and have been, uh, you know, sitting 00:06:15.946 --> 00:06:18.836 in in some of the sessions and having conversations which will be going out on 00:06:18.836 --> 00:06:24.736 the chemical show, how does, what are the priorities that are critical to Jevedon, 00:06:24.826 --> 00:06:26.106 Greg: the priorities for us. 00:06:26.176 --> 00:06:28.916 Um, I think for specifically for H. 00:06:28.916 --> 00:06:29.086 C. 00:06:29.086 --> 00:06:29.316 P. 00:06:29.316 --> 00:06:29.526 A. 00:06:29.896 --> 00:06:33.006 Um, really trying to get the E. 00:06:33.006 --> 00:06:33.296 P. 00:06:33.296 --> 00:06:33.546 A. 00:06:33.576 --> 00:06:36.506 And new chemicals into a better shape. 00:06:36.506 --> 00:06:42.296 It really is at a point where we see that there is an inhibition of innovation. 00:06:42.536 --> 00:06:46.891 Uh, that's resulted from a very, I would say, um, poorly 00:06:46.891 --> 00:06:49.921 operating, uh, regulatory area. 00:06:50.401 --> 00:06:53.941 Um, and we've been trying to work with the EPA on reforms to 00:06:53.951 --> 00:06:56.541 help make that more productive. 00:06:56.841 --> 00:06:58.261 So that is one priority. 00:06:58.261 --> 00:07:00.841 And it's it's a long range priority in the fragrance area. 00:07:00.841 --> 00:07:04.131 We have a specific discussion with the EPA about that as well. 00:07:04.531 --> 00:07:06.211 So that's one key priority. 00:07:06.211 --> 00:07:10.511 But I would say the bigger priority is overall product stewardship of chemicals. 00:07:10.831 --> 00:07:16.811 And we see because of what has happened over many years, there's gridlock in D. 00:07:16.811 --> 00:07:17.211 C. 00:07:17.701 --> 00:07:22.481 Uh, part of why we see this change of administration now, but we see a big 00:07:22.491 --> 00:07:28.961 increase in state based legislation and activity, which is not helpful 00:07:28.991 --> 00:07:32.361 because it's a patchwork quilt of different things, making it very 00:07:32.361 --> 00:07:37.201 complex for industry to manage very difficult to administer, and overall 00:07:37.211 --> 00:07:39.061 raises the cost of doing business. 00:07:39.071 --> 00:07:43.111 So that's our other priority is really to help try and strive for 00:07:43.111 --> 00:07:48.066 national standardized regulations to, to enable states to feel comfortable 00:07:48.096 --> 00:07:49.346 and not have to do their own thing. 00:07:50.051 --> 00:07:50.951 Victoria: and I think that's important. 00:07:50.951 --> 00:07:55.811 And I think about Jividen as a global company, you're navigating 00:07:55.841 --> 00:07:58.291 a lot of global regulations. 00:07:58.291 --> 00:08:03.971 So, uh, there is a certain ease if we had just a single regulation across the U. 00:08:03.971 --> 00:08:04.141 S. 00:08:04.151 --> 00:08:06.371 And I know we're doing a lot of things, as you've already pointed 00:08:06.371 --> 00:08:08.011 out, patchwork and state by state. 00:08:08.291 --> 00:08:11.551 But how does, how does, uh, Jividen think about this globally? 00:08:11.566 --> 00:08:11.926 So, 00:08:12.146 --> 00:08:15.836 Greg: So at a global level, I would say what we see is that there is 00:08:15.836 --> 00:08:19.596 a tendency to, to be moving to the most restrictive standard. 00:08:20.156 --> 00:08:25.166 Europe has been on a long running, uh, very sort of sustainable platform 00:08:25.166 --> 00:08:27.406 called the Green Deal for chemicals. 00:08:27.746 --> 00:08:33.476 Um, which is not necessarily, uh, The way it's being executed, and we see that 00:08:33.496 --> 00:08:38.836 we see that migrating into regulators and legislators offices here in the U. 00:08:38.836 --> 00:08:39.146 S. 00:08:39.566 --> 00:08:44.416 Um, because if people view it as a gold standard, then why not bring it here? 00:08:44.816 --> 00:08:46.126 Same in other countries. 00:08:46.196 --> 00:08:48.666 Other countries are also setting up their own. 00:08:49.086 --> 00:08:52.826 Policies what we would like to see is commonality across the globe. 00:08:53.226 --> 00:08:57.426 Um, we recognize there's a need for control and good regulation But 00:08:57.486 --> 00:09:02.016 having everything done differently is tremendously complicated And 00:09:02.016 --> 00:09:03.546 today it's a very complex world. 00:09:03.546 --> 00:09:07.616 So we're in each of the countries that we operate in Doing the same 00:09:07.616 --> 00:09:11.246 thing trying to make sure legislators understand what's really needed 00:09:11.596 --> 00:09:15.516 showing that industry is under good control Not getting disproportionate 00:09:15.516 --> 00:09:21.131 regulation And trying to make it better As uniform as we can around the world. 00:09:21.341 --> 00:09:21.651 Right. 00:09:21.836 --> 00:09:24.226 Victoria: And obviously that uniformity. 00:09:24.626 --> 00:09:28.856 It creates more reliability, creates simplicity, it becomes easier to 00:09:28.856 --> 00:09:33.916 produce the right products, um, and it also simplifies business in many 00:09:34.089 --> 00:09:34.780 Greg: you know, 00:09:34.906 --> 00:09:38.396 Victoria: so, that may be a bit of nirvana, because I think a lot of people 00:09:38.396 --> 00:09:42.656 are hoping for that, but, you know, the which standard to follow is a tricky one. 00:09:42.666 --> 00:09:43.236 Greg: That's right. 00:09:43.256 --> 00:09:45.986 And if it weren't that, you probably wouldn't be talking to 00:09:45.986 --> 00:09:49.826 me because companies wouldn't need to manage the complexity with 00:09:50.216 --> 00:09:52.076 people who are doing what I do 00:09:52.201 --> 00:09:53.731 Victoria: So there's a bit of job security 00:09:53.956 --> 00:09:54.596 Greg: Could be. 00:09:54.646 --> 00:09:55.266 Could be. 00:09:55.271 --> 00:09:59.711 Victoria: So you talked about the microscopic quantities of, of your 00:09:59.711 --> 00:10:01.881 products that go into final formulations. 00:10:02.241 --> 00:10:07.101 And what strikes me with this is navigating this is a challenge, right? 00:10:07.101 --> 00:10:10.571 Because often, and this is a conversation we've, I've had, throughout the 00:10:10.571 --> 00:10:16.751 years, the recognition of hazard versus risk is not well understood. 00:10:17.121 --> 00:10:24.051 Um, the impacts of of dividends products at these microscopic levels are not 00:10:24.051 --> 00:10:27.871 the same as it would be if they were going in a much larger qualities. 00:10:28.151 --> 00:10:30.461 How do you, how do you navigate through that? 00:10:30.461 --> 00:10:34.686 Mhm. 00:10:35.526 --> 00:10:39.716 Greg: and the second one is, is demonstrating the safe, the safe use. 00:10:40.196 --> 00:10:43.356 Um, in the, particularly in the fragrance space, but also in, in 00:10:43.356 --> 00:10:47.376 the, the taste and flavor space, most of the materials that we use 00:10:47.376 --> 00:10:51.076 and produce, uh, coming from nature. 00:10:51.466 --> 00:10:58.656 So we will find those natural materials in foods, in plants, and we will copy them. 00:10:59.221 --> 00:11:02.891 So we can mass produce them for the use in fragrance and flavor 00:11:03.111 --> 00:11:08.041 without destroying crops, you know, um, native heritage and so on. 00:11:08.551 --> 00:11:14.791 So educating regulators, educating stakeholders in understanding, first 00:11:14.791 --> 00:11:17.961 of all, what we're doing, which is quite unique in the, I would say, the 00:11:17.961 --> 00:11:22.591 chemical space is these are, a lot of these materials are, Uh, in your 00:11:22.611 --> 00:11:27.581 everyday lives without us, if you like smelling plants, if you if you have pot 00:11:27.591 --> 00:11:32.481 plants, if you have a garden, if you like flowers, you're already getting exposed. 00:11:32.481 --> 00:11:35.531 If you're eating fruits and vegetables, you're already getting exposed. 00:11:35.531 --> 00:11:36.871 So educating people. 00:11:37.746 --> 00:11:41.696 That in fact we're not doing much different to what they already have. 00:11:42.376 --> 00:11:46.746 Then it comes down to how is it being used and what data do we have. 00:11:46.766 --> 00:11:48.916 And as you say, we use very low levels. 00:11:49.306 --> 00:11:55.476 And those tiny levels present no risk for consumers in the, in the 00:11:55.476 --> 00:11:58.496 way they're intended to be used in the products that they're being used. 00:11:58.786 --> 00:12:02.586 However, when it comes to hazard versus risk. 00:12:03.441 --> 00:12:07.781 Hazard means that you define that something could be 00:12:10.111 --> 00:12:16.041 at some level, but you never talk about how it's being used or at what level. 00:12:16.111 --> 00:12:18.021 It's simply, well, it's toxic. 00:12:18.021 --> 00:12:21.671 It's a little bit like the lion could eat you. 00:12:22.381 --> 00:12:25.331 But what's the chance of the lion eating you if there is no lion 00:12:25.331 --> 00:12:28.481 in the room, or if the lion is in the room but it's in a cage? 00:12:28.791 --> 00:12:31.881 There is no chance of being injured by the lion. 00:12:33.006 --> 00:12:35.946 You've got to get the practical understanding of how the 00:12:35.946 --> 00:12:39.386 product's being used, not just, oh, well, it could eat you. 00:12:39.651 --> 00:12:40.021 Victoria: Right. 00:12:40.021 --> 00:12:43.971 Yeah. 00:12:44.146 --> 00:12:46.866 Greg: and stakeholders understand that. 00:12:47.256 --> 00:12:51.296 as toxicologists, which is my, you know, and there's thousands of people like me 00:12:51.296 --> 00:12:53.426 who dedicate their lives to that science. 00:12:54.006 --> 00:12:57.886 That's the goal is to make sure we are not killing our consumers. 00:12:57.886 --> 00:13:01.006 There's no benefit to killing a consumer because they won't 00:13:01.006 --> 00:13:02.306 buy more of our product. 00:13:02.706 --> 00:13:06.426 So you want to make sure they're healthy and happy and, and using, 00:13:06.641 --> 00:13:07.771 Chemicals in the right way. 00:13:08.011 --> 00:13:11.231 Yes, in the past, certainly we've, you know, we've developed science 00:13:11.231 --> 00:13:12.711 and, you know, things have evolved. 00:13:12.741 --> 00:13:16.521 But today I would say we're very sophisticated, very capable to do that. 00:13:16.771 --> 00:13:20.431 But we have to educate people to show them we really have a good foundation. 00:13:21.421 --> 00:13:21.811 Well, one 00:13:21.861 --> 00:13:25.171 Victoria: the analogies I always, I use with people when they start talking about 00:13:25.181 --> 00:13:28.161 hazards, I'm like, water is hazardous. 00:13:28.741 --> 00:13:29.571 And yet. 00:13:29.991 --> 00:13:31.261 We need to consume water. 00:13:31.651 --> 00:13:33.301 We can bathe in water safely. 00:13:33.301 --> 00:13:36.711 We can go swimming in water and yet you can also drown in water, right? 00:13:36.711 --> 00:13:41.201 So understanding the appropriate use the safeguards around that becomes 00:13:41.201 --> 00:13:46.521 really critical Yeah, let's talk about leadership You've obviously you 00:13:46.521 --> 00:13:50.681 work with a lot of great leaders you yourself have achieved a great level 00:13:50.681 --> 00:13:54.781 of leadership in your career What do you find to be critical if somebody 00:13:54.781 --> 00:13:56.511 was going to replicate your success? 00:13:56.541 --> 00:13:57.481 What advice do you have? 00:13:57.546 --> 00:13:58.426 So I 00:13:58.856 --> 00:14:02.046 Greg: So, I would say the, the biggest thing about leadership 00:14:02.056 --> 00:14:04.966 for me is leadership is not a job. 00:14:05.006 --> 00:14:06.036 It's a lifestyle. 00:14:06.566 --> 00:14:13.236 Um, leadership is about, A passionate engagement that is authentic and that 00:14:13.236 --> 00:14:19.246 you, you spend a lot of time with your organization and people to understand 00:14:19.246 --> 00:14:24.466 what they need, understand also where the organization and the business is 00:14:24.466 --> 00:14:31.026 going and that you are able to, from a visionary perspective, Take them on 00:14:31.026 --> 00:14:35.796 a journey that is hopefully aligned with the organization, but doing 00:14:35.796 --> 00:14:37.496 it in a way that's very supportive. 00:14:37.906 --> 00:14:43.186 In our area of regulatory affairs, often we can be perceived as a break or a, 00:14:43.236 --> 00:14:47.976 you know, a policeman, kind of the old, the old analogy of regulatory affairs. 00:14:47.976 --> 00:14:53.106 Today, we're an enabler and we're a partner to the business to, to help 00:14:53.106 --> 00:14:58.076 them navigate into new product areas, Open up new markets, put product and 00:14:58.306 --> 00:15:01.166 licenses to give access to markets. 00:15:01.386 --> 00:15:05.526 So we're very, very strategically aligned with the business. 00:15:05.546 --> 00:15:09.886 And, and for those companies that use regulatory affairs in that way, we'll 00:15:09.886 --> 00:15:11.646 be very successful in the future. 00:15:12.136 --> 00:15:13.756 So, you know, I think that's where. 00:15:14.671 --> 00:15:18.121 That's where it's, you know, it takes strong leadership, 00:15:18.441 --> 00:15:20.201 which is about communicating. 00:15:20.211 --> 00:15:24.921 It's about, it's about relating to the environment you're in learning, not to 00:15:24.921 --> 00:15:28.491 just be a toxicologist, but learning to be a businessman, learning to be a 00:15:28.491 --> 00:15:33.281 salesman, learning to be a marketer, talking in that language, helping people 00:15:33.301 --> 00:15:37.761 understand and translate what we do into something that's of value to them. 00:15:37.821 --> 00:15:38.638 That's great. 00:15:38.638 --> 00:15:40.272 for joining me today. 00:15:40.272 --> 00:15:40.680 I 00:15:40.956 --> 00:15:41.806 Victoria: for joining me today. 00:15:41.806 --> 00:15:42.679 I appreciate it. 00:15:42.722 --> 00:15:43.947 Greg: was a pleasure. 00:15:43.947 --> 00:15:44.356 Absolutely. 00:15:44.376 --> 00:15:44.836 Victoria: Absolutely. 00:15:44.836 --> 00:15:47.686 And thanks everyone for joining us today on The Chemical Show. 00:15:47.686 --> 00:15:50.406 Keep listening, keep following, keep sharing, and we will 00:15:50.406 --> 00:15:51.736 talk with you again soon. 00:15:51.736 --> 00:15:51.786 Thanks.