WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.640 --> 00:00:08.190 You know, welcome to this special edition of the Hot Dish. I'm Joel Highcamp. 2 00:00:08.310 --> 00:00:11.510 And I'm Heidi Heikemp. Today we're going to talk about last night's 3 00:00:11.550 --> 00:00:15.070 presidential debate. With us today to join us in this 4 00:00:15.110 --> 00:00:18.278 conversation is former congressman, senator, 5 00:00:18.414 --> 00:00:21.982 ambassador. In other words, he's a little bit of everything. Joe Donnelly, 6 00:00:22.046 --> 00:00:25.662 thanks for being with us today. Ambassador, how you been? Thank 7 00:00:25.686 --> 00:00:29.084 you. Good. How about you? He can't keep a job. That's 8 00:00:29.132 --> 00:00:32.868 exactly right. That's what I tell people. It's wonderful to 9 00:00:32.884 --> 00:00:36.260 be back home. Or he's so good at it, they keep promoting him. How's 10 00:00:36.300 --> 00:00:40.092 that? He's not going to give 11 00:00:40.116 --> 00:00:43.636 you a job or pay you any money, so you don't need that. 12 00:00:43.788 --> 00:00:47.420 You know, to be honest with you, working at the Vatican, I never 13 00:00:47.460 --> 00:00:50.532 really thought I had a shot. I'm not going to lie to you. Well, on 14 00:00:50.556 --> 00:00:53.788 my last, on my next to last day, I asked the number two at the 15 00:00:53.804 --> 00:00:57.474 Vatican, they said, I've been here two and a half years. Like, when 16 00:00:57.522 --> 00:01:00.938 my final time comes, is this going to count 17 00:01:01.034 --> 00:01:04.882 to help me move along into the upper regions? And 18 00:01:04.906 --> 00:01:08.306 he looked at me very seriously and goes, no, no, I don't think 19 00:01:08.338 --> 00:01:08.910 so. 20 00:01:12.610 --> 00:01:15.670 I was like, well, that was a waste of two and a half years. 21 00:01:18.090 --> 00:01:21.744 Well, Heidi, I know you got some things to say about the debate last night. 22 00:01:21.882 --> 00:01:25.516 Well, I mean, I think the Republicans are shocked. They're shocked because 23 00:01:25.588 --> 00:01:28.800 guess who showed up last night? Donald Trump. I mean, 24 00:01:29.460 --> 00:01:33.148 people are like, oh, could you? People who are analyzing how I behave, 25 00:01:33.204 --> 00:01:36.740 that's exactly who he is. I mean, they're mad because their guy 26 00:01:36.780 --> 00:01:40.492 showed up and he was who he was and he did not look happy 27 00:01:40.516 --> 00:01:43.920 to be there. And I, you know me, Joel, I always think that 28 00:01:44.260 --> 00:01:47.556 you turn off the sound and watch the expressions, and 29 00:01:47.708 --> 00:01:51.420 joyful always wins over crabby. And that guy was one crabby 30 00:01:51.460 --> 00:01:55.148 guy last night. And that he said really absurd 31 00:01:55.204 --> 00:01:58.852 things like, you know, people eating cats and dogs, and 32 00:01:58.876 --> 00:02:02.500 he went off on a tirade about crowd sizes, and he took 33 00:02:02.580 --> 00:02:06.260 every, every bit of chum she threw in the water. He 34 00:02:06.300 --> 00:02:09.852 gobbled up. And, you know, I think, I 35 00:02:09.876 --> 00:02:13.612 think it's just who he is because, you know, in debate prep, they 36 00:02:13.636 --> 00:02:17.276 just told him, don't do it. Don't do it. Ambassador, I'm going to take you 37 00:02:17.308 --> 00:02:21.044 up on your offer to call you Joe. Okay. We've all known each other. 38 00:02:21.172 --> 00:02:24.212 I'd love that. So, Joe, when you 39 00:02:24.276 --> 00:02:28.116 watched, what did you think? I thought that the 40 00:02:28.148 --> 00:02:31.788 rest of the country could finally see the Donald Trump 41 00:02:31.844 --> 00:02:35.196 that Heidi and I have known for years just what Heidi was 42 00:02:35.228 --> 00:02:39.060 saying, that this is the guy we dealt with in meetings. This 43 00:02:39.100 --> 00:02:42.922 is the guy we dealt with on a regular basis in the 44 00:02:42.946 --> 00:02:46.698 legislature. And so what was 45 00:02:46.754 --> 00:02:50.338 so incredible was the plan. 46 00:02:50.394 --> 00:02:53.630 Kamala had to bring it out. And 47 00:02:54.130 --> 00:02:57.978 truly, what you just said, like, if she was going fishing, she filled up the 48 00:02:57.994 --> 00:03:01.738 boat. It was a 49 00:03:01.754 --> 00:03:05.490 reflection. That's who Donald Trump is. And, like, the things he 50 00:03:05.530 --> 00:03:09.236 said actually did not surprise me because we've seen 51 00:03:09.268 --> 00:03:11.920 them before. She definitely caught her limit. 52 00:03:14.940 --> 00:03:18.100 I would argue that if the game wardens stopped by, she was over 53 00:03:18.140 --> 00:03:20.480 limit. That's a whole other issue. 54 00:03:21.740 --> 00:03:25.548 Both you guys know, I refereed college and high school football for a 55 00:03:25.564 --> 00:03:28.916 lot of years. And in high school football in North Dakota, we have a thing 56 00:03:28.948 --> 00:03:32.460 called the mercy rule, where if a team gets ahead by 57 00:03:32.500 --> 00:03:36.288 35 points in the second half, that's it. We're done playing ball. And 58 00:03:36.304 --> 00:03:39.992 I kept thinking, vice president Harris, that's 59 00:03:40.016 --> 00:03:43.600 enough. I mean, quit pilot on. They're going to start feeling 60 00:03:43.640 --> 00:03:47.048 sorry for the guy. But it was that bad, Joel. I mean, it really was 61 00:03:47.064 --> 00:03:49.740 that bad. And what was amazing, too, was 62 00:03:51.880 --> 00:03:55.584 we've been watching this performance for 63 00:03:55.632 --> 00:03:59.088 nine years now. And so the first thing he does, 64 00:03:59.264 --> 00:04:02.990 he knows he didn't do very well, I think. And he runs out 65 00:04:03.030 --> 00:04:06.782 into the spin room and starts talking about all these polls he 66 00:04:06.806 --> 00:04:10.622 has that shows he had 90% was for him and 10% 67 00:04:10.686 --> 00:04:14.422 for Harris. And it's like, you know, 68 00:04:14.606 --> 00:04:18.326 it never ends. It reminds me of the early days of our country, the folks 69 00:04:18.358 --> 00:04:21.774 who were the guy who was selling the fake 70 00:04:21.822 --> 00:04:25.406 medicine all across the west, it was always the 71 00:04:25.438 --> 00:04:29.184 same kind of thing. Whatever you heard is different the next 72 00:04:29.232 --> 00:04:32.680 hour or the next day. And when they talked 73 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:36.248 about Vice President Harris saying that 74 00:04:36.344 --> 00:04:39.976 her position had changed a little bit on this one issue, I thought 75 00:04:40.008 --> 00:04:43.656 about how his positions have changed on every issue. He talks 76 00:04:43.688 --> 00:04:47.536 about love for the police, and then in the debate, 77 00:04:47.688 --> 00:04:51.112 he talks about the January 6 insurrectionist 78 00:04:51.256 --> 00:04:54.984 that he was a part of getting this whole 79 00:04:55.032 --> 00:04:58.856 thing going. And we saw a policeman who died the next 80 00:04:58.888 --> 00:05:02.672 few days because of the attacks. And it's like, who are you? Are you the 81 00:05:02.696 --> 00:05:06.472 guy who says he loves police or the guy who helps incite 82 00:05:06.576 --> 00:05:10.240 an attack against the police? And so this 83 00:05:10.280 --> 00:05:13.920 is. This is just who he is. It's chaos. Heidi, you've been all 84 00:05:13.960 --> 00:05:17.744 over national media. I mean, they've been calling on you for. For 85 00:05:17.792 --> 00:05:21.542 your opinion big time. What are you hearing from some of the. Some of the 86 00:05:21.566 --> 00:05:25.254 people you're on with? You know, I. They basically have 87 00:05:25.302 --> 00:05:28.606 pivoted because we were all really honest when Joe 88 00:05:28.638 --> 00:05:32.294 Biden turned in a bad performance, at least I was. I mean, you know, 89 00:05:32.382 --> 00:05:36.166 we just kind of said, this is bad, and we need to rethink 90 00:05:36.198 --> 00:05:40.006 this. Their reaction is, yeah, it was bad, but 91 00:05:40.038 --> 00:05:43.810 who cares? It's not gonna change numbers. It's not gonna, 92 00:05:44.230 --> 00:05:48.022 you know, have any impact. And so they immediately, the smart ones 93 00:05:48.046 --> 00:05:51.268 that I've been on, Republicans immediately 94 00:05:51.324 --> 00:05:55.068 pivoted to the so what? Because they didn't want 95 00:05:55.084 --> 00:05:58.596 to defend what got said. They didn't want to defend the 96 00:05:58.628 --> 00:06:01.636 performance. They knew that he had lost. And then 97 00:06:01.828 --> 00:06:05.372 immediately it's the so what? And, and that's a legitimate 98 00:06:05.436 --> 00:06:09.228 question, and I would be interested. Joel, you 99 00:06:09.244 --> 00:06:12.644 were on the radio this morning. What was, what was the people's 100 00:06:12.692 --> 00:06:16.374 response? You know, just people calling you. We played a lot of sound 101 00:06:16.422 --> 00:06:19.694 cuts, and that wasn't hard to do because he gave us a lot of sound 102 00:06:19.742 --> 00:06:23.206 cuts and he gave she, you know, 103 00:06:23.238 --> 00:06:26.878 Kamala gave us a lot of sound cuts as well. But, I mean, here was 104 00:06:26.934 --> 00:06:30.646 their reaction. I had some people call in that were going to vote for Donald 105 00:06:30.678 --> 00:06:34.446 Trump that said we're not. I had some people that called in that 106 00:06:34.478 --> 00:06:38.110 said, I really had doubts of whether or not she's up to this. I'm 107 00:06:38.150 --> 00:06:41.446 not doubting that anymore. I had people call in and say, 108 00:06:41.598 --> 00:06:45.406 look, this was three on one. ABC piled on that. It 109 00:06:45.438 --> 00:06:49.126 shouldn't have been that way. Then I was ready with the sound of, 110 00:06:49.238 --> 00:06:53.086 hey, you lied. They're not eating dogs in Springfield, Ohio. 111 00:06:53.158 --> 00:06:56.886 You know they're not. And it was abs job, ABC's 112 00:06:56.918 --> 00:06:59.970 job, to call bullshit on that. And so, you know, 113 00:07:00.390 --> 00:07:03.758 it went that way. You know, I was broadcasting 114 00:07:03.814 --> 00:07:07.238 from a farm show, and I ended up with 115 00:07:07.294 --> 00:07:11.046 people outside my studio window just taking it 116 00:07:11.078 --> 00:07:14.926 in. I mean, Joe, these people are starting to 117 00:07:14.958 --> 00:07:18.350 get it. I'm not saying it's going to move the numbers. I'm just 118 00:07:18.390 --> 00:07:22.062 saying they know what's going on. Yeah, I was just going 119 00:07:22.086 --> 00:07:25.838 to follow up to what you were saying, joel, by saying people 120 00:07:25.894 --> 00:07:28.250 know who he is now. They know. 121 00:07:29.710 --> 00:07:33.510 They've seen this act for so long, and there's been so 122 00:07:33.550 --> 00:07:37.004 many excuses for it, but they know. 123 00:07:37.172 --> 00:07:40.956 They know who he is, what he stands 124 00:07:40.988 --> 00:07:44.692 for, and are 125 00:07:44.756 --> 00:07:48.580 just besides themselves that this is the Republicans choice 126 00:07:48.620 --> 00:07:51.988 for president. Well, a question for you, Heidi. 127 00:07:52.164 --> 00:07:55.852 Last time you mentioned Joe Biden, and I called for 128 00:07:55.876 --> 00:07:59.556 Biden to get out of the race after the last performance. I called for 129 00:07:59.588 --> 00:08:02.840 both of them. I said 80 year old men shouldn't be running this country 130 00:08:03.820 --> 00:08:07.652 had about 20 calls into the show from 80 year old men who agreed with, 131 00:08:07.796 --> 00:08:11.404 you know, but, you know, I, we 132 00:08:11.452 --> 00:08:15.100 were honest about Joe Biden. I mean, we were. But the 133 00:08:15.140 --> 00:08:18.532 way he acted last night, you know, 134 00:08:18.716 --> 00:08:22.516 you guys know him. But I think it was at a whole different 135 00:08:22.588 --> 00:08:26.420 level. I think that he looked old, he 136 00:08:26.460 --> 00:08:30.062 sounded older, he sounded confused. 137 00:08:30.236 --> 00:08:33.738 I mean, I'm not saying that he was as bad as Biden was, but he 138 00:08:33.754 --> 00:08:37.530 sure wasn't too far behind. Heidi. Yeah, it was interesting because she's 139 00:08:37.570 --> 00:08:40.722 never met him. And Joe and I have spent a lot of time, when we 140 00:08:40.746 --> 00:08:43.426 were in the Senate, we spent a lot of time with him. And he was 141 00:08:43.458 --> 00:08:47.178 usually on kind of a charm offensive until he knew he couldn't move us and 142 00:08:47.194 --> 00:08:50.986 then he was done with us. You're dismissed. Get out. Then he threw 143 00:08:51.018 --> 00:08:54.810 us in the wood chipper. But he 144 00:08:54.850 --> 00:08:58.638 knew how to be charming. He knew how to and sit across the desk and 145 00:08:58.734 --> 00:09:02.446 make small talk and, you know, and, and I 146 00:09:02.478 --> 00:09:06.134 just think, just like, I think Biden came on the stage, didn't feel 147 00:09:06.182 --> 00:09:09.606 well, was not, you know, I mean, was cloudy and 148 00:09:09.638 --> 00:09:13.294 fuzzy about what he thought. Donald Trump came to that 149 00:09:13.342 --> 00:09:17.174 stage last night angry. He was told, there's going to 150 00:09:17.182 --> 00:09:20.662 be a split screen. Do not overreact to what she says. So the 151 00:09:20.686 --> 00:09:24.420 beginning, he was pretty contained until she 152 00:09:24.880 --> 00:09:28.592 kept turning the knife and he took the bait. 153 00:09:28.656 --> 00:09:32.072 And the more that happened, the more he 154 00:09:32.256 --> 00:09:36.096 kind of lost the 155 00:09:36.128 --> 00:09:39.976 attention and the ability to present 156 00:09:40.048 --> 00:09:43.304 a presidential kind of visual. 157 00:09:43.432 --> 00:09:47.024 But I want to defend ABC, and for full 158 00:09:47.072 --> 00:09:50.920 disclosure, I have a contract with ABC. I know these folks really well. They're 159 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.712 really good journalists. They are not biased. But I 160 00:09:54.736 --> 00:09:58.580 think that they made a decision that things were going to get said 161 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:02.400 that were not correct. They let a lot of stuff go 162 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:06.280 by. Let's just point that out. And then only hit the most 163 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:09.928 egregious kinds of misstatements. But my point is, 164 00:10:09.984 --> 00:10:13.760 every fact checker out there, including the ones for Fox, have 165 00:10:13.800 --> 00:10:17.592 fact checked the former president and said there 166 00:10:17.656 --> 00:10:21.330 just isn't even a comparison between the fibbing and 167 00:10:21.370 --> 00:10:24.610 the prevarication. That's a nice way of saying lying 168 00:10:24.730 --> 00:10:28.082 between Trump and Harris. I mean, Harris may have been 169 00:10:28.106 --> 00:10:31.750 vague, but she was purposeful in her vagueness and 170 00:10:33.290 --> 00:10:36.650 didn't get herself in trouble on fact checking. I 171 00:10:36.690 --> 00:10:40.522 actually thought during the debate, it showed 172 00:10:40.546 --> 00:10:44.298 that he talked for about five minutes more than the vice president did. 173 00:10:44.434 --> 00:10:48.080 And I thought that ABC actually gave him, like, 174 00:10:48.740 --> 00:10:52.196 opportunities that were not supposed to be part of it, 175 00:10:52.228 --> 00:10:55.880 where he just kind of broke in and said, I got to talk about this, 176 00:10:56.540 --> 00:11:00.052 and they let him. And so I thought it was 177 00:11:00.236 --> 00:11:03.804 done in an extraordinarily fair way by ABC. I thought 178 00:11:03.852 --> 00:11:07.580 actually they were very serious, very focused. They did a good 179 00:11:07.620 --> 00:11:11.340 job. But to your point, Joel, the thought that kept 180 00:11:11.380 --> 00:11:15.186 striking me, watching that last night, Washington, boy, he looks 181 00:11:15.258 --> 00:11:18.826 old and tired. And 182 00:11:18.858 --> 00:11:22.386 yesterday, it was like 183 00:11:22.498 --> 00:11:25.350 someone who has a record player with a 45, 184 00:11:26.250 --> 00:11:29.794 and it just keeps playing the song 185 00:11:29.882 --> 00:11:33.514 over and over and over, and 186 00:11:33.602 --> 00:11:37.362 everybody's looking going, I'm 187 00:11:37.386 --> 00:11:40.836 done with this now. I can't do this anymore. 188 00:11:41.028 --> 00:11:43.960 Yeah, he's always shot about 189 00:11:44.500 --> 00:11:47.996 105 when he says he golfs around an 80 something. 190 00:11:48.068 --> 00:11:51.756 And I'd be willing to bet now he's golfing about a 120. I mean, 191 00:11:51.788 --> 00:11:55.508 he's looking old. But, guys, I've been making 192 00:11:55.564 --> 00:11:59.268 this argument to Heidi, and I'm really curious what you think about it, Joe, 193 00:11:59.324 --> 00:12:02.820 that he gauges everything by 194 00:12:02.860 --> 00:12:06.692 crowd size, because of the apprentice, because of ratings, and 195 00:12:06.716 --> 00:12:10.558 he didn't like getting fired. And when she told him he got fired last 196 00:12:10.614 --> 00:12:14.462 night, it hit him. He knows what Barack Obama did to 197 00:12:14.486 --> 00:12:18.022 him at that convention, and he knows the jokes that followed 198 00:12:18.046 --> 00:12:21.790 it. And so when she brought that up, his 199 00:12:21.830 --> 00:12:25.622 crowd, the fact that the crowds leave, they get bored. 200 00:12:25.806 --> 00:12:29.086 I don't think you could have planned for or done 201 00:12:29.278 --> 00:12:32.730 anything, Joe, that would hurt him more than what that did. 202 00:12:33.350 --> 00:12:36.670 That's his whole ego wrapped up in one, in one 203 00:12:36.710 --> 00:12:40.524 bow, is, I'm always the best. 204 00:12:40.572 --> 00:12:43.440 I'm always the biggest. I'm always the loudest. I'm always 205 00:12:44.620 --> 00:12:48.436 the most visible. And she, in 206 00:12:48.468 --> 00:12:52.204 such a smart way, said, you know, you're so boring. People 207 00:12:52.252 --> 00:12:55.900 just walked out. It's like, that's as bad as it 208 00:12:55.940 --> 00:12:59.520 gets, that you were putting people to sleep. 209 00:13:00.860 --> 00:13:04.556 And then I did laugh one time, Heidi, I actually didn't laugh. My 210 00:13:04.588 --> 00:13:08.366 wife laughed when he said, they told me if 211 00:13:08.398 --> 00:13:12.118 I got 73 million, I won. And Jill looked at 212 00:13:12.134 --> 00:13:15.886 me and she said, they told you if you got 1.1 million, you were 213 00:13:15.918 --> 00:13:19.486 going to win? Oh, yeah. No, I mean, you know, 214 00:13:19.518 --> 00:13:22.974 we, Claire and you and I all got our vote to reelect 215 00:13:23.022 --> 00:13:26.166 number. We hit our numbers and exceeded our number. We all get our numbers. Guess 216 00:13:26.198 --> 00:13:29.930 what? We didn't win, and we're not telling people that we did. Right. 217 00:13:31.380 --> 00:13:34.760 The important thing, I think, for her is 218 00:13:35.060 --> 00:13:38.676 she now needs to capitalize on this. She needs to do some more 219 00:13:38.708 --> 00:13:42.220 interviews. She needs to be and not have Tim 220 00:13:42.260 --> 00:13:45.596 walls with her. I love Tim, but, you know, she needs to 221 00:13:45.748 --> 00:13:49.556 now occupy the media space, and, 222 00:13:49.668 --> 00:13:52.580 you know, she will not win this by playing 223 00:13:52.740 --> 00:13:56.450 defense. And she played offense really well last night. 224 00:13:56.580 --> 00:14:00.422 She's got to keep that up. This is a hard 225 00:14:00.566 --> 00:14:04.350 battle to the end that's going to be very close. And 226 00:14:04.390 --> 00:14:07.650 I think, you know what I've always thought about 227 00:14:07.950 --> 00:14:11.010 the swing states and how important they are. But 228 00:14:11.870 --> 00:14:15.126 Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania have always been in a 229 00:14:15.158 --> 00:14:17.650 different section for me in that 230 00:14:18.950 --> 00:14:22.710 if you win those, you win. And if we can get 231 00:14:22.750 --> 00:14:26.316 some of the others, that is extraordinarily phenomenal. 232 00:14:26.478 --> 00:14:30.312 But if you don't get the core, you're probably not going to 233 00:14:30.336 --> 00:14:33.992 wind up winning. And I think in Wisconsin and Michigan, 234 00:14:34.176 --> 00:14:37.696 we've gotten to be in a little bit better shape. 235 00:14:37.848 --> 00:14:41.000 And I think this may be coming down to Pennsylvania. 236 00:14:41.160 --> 00:14:43.740 And that's why they were talking about 237 00:14:44.160 --> 00:14:47.888 800,000 people of polish descent in Pennsylvania last 238 00:14:47.944 --> 00:14:51.416 night. That's why they were talking fracking so much. And why there was such 239 00:14:51.448 --> 00:14:54.816 a, such a tussle back and forth is because they 240 00:14:54.848 --> 00:14:58.480 know how that goes is probably going to determine 241 00:14:58.520 --> 00:15:02.200 who's in the office. I'm curious what you both as people who 242 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:05.872 served with her and who know her much better than, than 243 00:15:05.936 --> 00:15:09.544 what our listening audience does. And so I'm curious 244 00:15:09.592 --> 00:15:13.424 about this. Everybody thought last night that they were afraid 245 00:15:13.472 --> 00:15:17.192 she would be intimidated by Donald Trump. Clearly she wasn't. Okay, 246 00:15:17.216 --> 00:15:20.840 that was my last thought. That never has been 247 00:15:20.880 --> 00:15:24.700 anything. No, no, no. I'm talking about you, you folks that know 248 00:15:24.740 --> 00:15:28.348 her. But I'm talking about the general public. I think that the general public 249 00:15:28.444 --> 00:15:32.148 going into that debate thought she's got to be tough enough 250 00:15:32.204 --> 00:15:35.480 to take him on. And, and I think he tried 251 00:15:35.780 --> 00:15:39.364 to intimidate her, too, and it didn't work. And, and I think 252 00:15:39.452 --> 00:15:43.204 it started, it all started with the, the kind of, 253 00:15:43.332 --> 00:15:47.132 you know what, when he, she walked over and introduced 254 00:15:47.196 --> 00:15:50.460 herself and actually said her name, way you pronounce 255 00:15:50.500 --> 00:15:54.292 it, you know, I, I think he was on his 256 00:15:54.316 --> 00:15:57.588 heels right away, you guys. Well, can I make this point? 257 00:15:57.644 --> 00:16:01.284 I've known Kamala longer than Joe has because she was an attorney 258 00:16:01.332 --> 00:16:05.100 general in California. And so I knew her back 259 00:16:05.140 --> 00:16:08.668 when she was a state official. She literally has been in 260 00:16:08.764 --> 00:16:12.364 courtrooms with Cartel. She's been in courtrooms with people, 261 00:16:12.412 --> 00:16:15.988 with mobsters and organized crime, and she's been with some of 262 00:16:16.044 --> 00:16:19.732 the worst, you know, kind of characters who will look at 263 00:16:19.756 --> 00:16:23.148 you, try and intimidate you, try and get you to back off as a 264 00:16:23.164 --> 00:16:26.764 prosecutor. She's not going to be afraid of, of an 265 00:16:26.812 --> 00:16:30.364 80 year old guy. She was never going to be intimidated by Donald Trump. 266 00:16:30.412 --> 00:16:34.036 Speaker one. Okay, then let me ask you this, Joe, because I agree with both 267 00:16:34.068 --> 00:16:37.444 of you. We learned that last night. But the poll 268 00:16:37.492 --> 00:16:41.164 numbers did not move even when Joe Biden had a 269 00:16:41.212 --> 00:16:44.628 very, very bad performance. You didn't see the poll numbers move 270 00:16:44.764 --> 00:16:48.596 that much in the Biden heads up against head 271 00:16:48.628 --> 00:16:52.428 to head with Trump. And so we didn't see that 272 00:16:52.484 --> 00:16:56.308 convention balance the way people thought how great the democratic convention 273 00:16:56.364 --> 00:16:59.996 was. Well, this matter, 274 00:17:00.108 --> 00:17:03.748 Joe. I think the reset came before 275 00:17:03.804 --> 00:17:07.484 the convention, and so 276 00:17:07.572 --> 00:17:11.246 it's close a couple of points either way, Joel. I think it stays that 277 00:17:11.278 --> 00:17:14.846 way. And I think that's why the 278 00:17:14.878 --> 00:17:18.718 knocking on the doors, the phone calls, the organization, the data analytics, all 279 00:17:18.734 --> 00:17:22.294 of that is so absolutely critical because 280 00:17:22.462 --> 00:17:26.118 it could come down to one county. And that's why 281 00:17:26.254 --> 00:17:29.894 he is sowing the seeds, has been sowing the seeds for 282 00:17:29.942 --> 00:17:33.574 four years now, trying to gain an edge. 283 00:17:33.702 --> 00:17:37.090 When this starts, you're going to see 284 00:17:38.180 --> 00:17:41.812 almost unlimited efforts to try and denigrate the 285 00:17:41.836 --> 00:17:45.436 vote, discredit the vote, all of those things. I think we're in for a rough 286 00:17:45.468 --> 00:17:49.220 ride. I got another question for both of you. 287 00:17:49.340 --> 00:17:52.972 I'm going to put you in a position where you now are Kamala 288 00:17:52.996 --> 00:17:56.200 Harris's campaign manager. You said Heidi earlier, 289 00:17:56.660 --> 00:17:59.996 don't do everything with Tim walls. Get out there, speak to the 290 00:18:00.028 --> 00:18:03.792 public. If you could tell her, Heidi, 291 00:18:03.856 --> 00:18:07.568 one thing, just one thing, to win this race, what would it 292 00:18:07.584 --> 00:18:10.768 be? I think that it would be stay focused 293 00:18:10.824 --> 00:18:14.208 on the issues that swing voters. By that, I mean 294 00:18:14.264 --> 00:18:17.824 suburban women and women who care about choice, stay on those, 295 00:18:17.872 --> 00:18:21.432 but, but also understand that they care about economic issues. 296 00:18:21.616 --> 00:18:24.940 Hone heard economic arguments much more 297 00:18:25.320 --> 00:18:28.916 carefully, and I would say just, 298 00:18:29.048 --> 00:18:32.612 just continue to do what you're doing in terms of 299 00:18:32.796 --> 00:18:36.492 looking like you're having fun and looking youthful and 300 00:18:36.516 --> 00:18:40.036 so, but you can't do that by doing 301 00:18:40.148 --> 00:18:43.348 set events. I mean, call the talk 302 00:18:43.404 --> 00:18:47.004 radio in Pennsylvania. Call 303 00:18:47.052 --> 00:18:50.892 talk radio. Let people ask you a question 304 00:18:50.956 --> 00:18:54.426 about fracking. How did you change your mind? What caused you to change your mind? 305 00:18:54.548 --> 00:18:58.350 She proved last night that she can take all incoming and so just 306 00:18:58.390 --> 00:19:02.006 go do it. And I think that the media hype 307 00:19:02.038 --> 00:19:05.862 about. Oh, she does. She's all programmed and doesn't want to take all this. She 308 00:19:05.886 --> 00:19:09.070 could dispel that in a week by doing a lot of 309 00:19:09.110 --> 00:19:12.570 unscheduled, unplanned kinds of media events. But 310 00:19:12.950 --> 00:19:16.766 I tell you, here at one country, we believe the world vote 311 00:19:16.798 --> 00:19:20.446 matters. That's why we do the work that we do. We think that 312 00:19:20.478 --> 00:19:24.242 the Democratic Party needs to do better in rural America. She could 313 00:19:24.266 --> 00:19:28.058 be out there not just relying on Tim Wells, but out there speaking to rural 314 00:19:28.114 --> 00:19:31.746 voters, especially if you had her here. Yeah. Can I just make this 315 00:19:31.778 --> 00:19:34.906 point? Well, that was more than one thing, Heidi. I just want to point out, 316 00:19:35.018 --> 00:19:37.550 I'm the moderator of the debate. Ok. 317 00:19:40.570 --> 00:19:43.826 But I want to, I want to ask Joe, because Joe had a 318 00:19:43.858 --> 00:19:47.658 demographic that was a little different than ours with a 319 00:19:47.674 --> 00:19:51.098 lot of small manufacturers, supply chain manufacturers, you 320 00:19:51.114 --> 00:19:54.770 know. You know, even though agriculture is huge in 321 00:19:54.810 --> 00:19:58.466 Indiana, rural America includes a lot of 322 00:19:58.498 --> 00:20:02.242 union workers in Indiana. Joel, how does she get 323 00:20:02.266 --> 00:20:06.066 the union workers that you were so successful with? 324 00:20:06.138 --> 00:20:09.554 How does she get them to take. A second look by showing 325 00:20:09.602 --> 00:20:13.130 up at all of their events, you know, in the swing 326 00:20:13.170 --> 00:20:16.390 states and talking to them about how pro union 327 00:20:17.020 --> 00:20:20.772 she and the president have been, that they worked to 328 00:20:20.796 --> 00:20:23.852 protect the pensions, that they worked to make sure 329 00:20:23.996 --> 00:20:27.732 that with the legislation that was passed, there's 330 00:20:27.756 --> 00:20:31.460 an incredible amount of work for everybody. Heidi, all the union 331 00:20:31.500 --> 00:20:35.060 workers are working right now. The pensions are protected. The 332 00:20:35.100 --> 00:20:38.684 salaries are tremendous. They're in probably the best 333 00:20:38.732 --> 00:20:42.374 shape they've been in their lives. And so 334 00:20:42.422 --> 00:20:46.250 they just, look, if there's a steelworkers meeting in 335 00:20:47.070 --> 00:20:50.478 Oshkosh, Wisconsin, Tim Walz ought to be there. 336 00:20:50.654 --> 00:20:53.702 If there's an ironworkers meeting 337 00:20:53.886 --> 00:20:57.286 in Pittsburgh, Kamala needs to be 338 00:20:57.318 --> 00:21:00.654 there. I'll never, ever forget, one of the greatest 339 00:21:00.702 --> 00:21:04.134 lessons was that Secretary 340 00:21:04.182 --> 00:21:07.250 Clinton was never in Wisconsin 341 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:11.552 and lost by 10,000 votes that year. And I 342 00:21:11.576 --> 00:21:15.344 thought, you know, you really have to stick to your knitting. 343 00:21:15.432 --> 00:21:18.752 And if you have a spare moment, great. But until you 344 00:21:18.776 --> 00:21:22.512 do, you've got to be where you're meeting the voters who are going to make 345 00:21:22.536 --> 00:21:26.264 the decision, and those union workers. She can be at foreign progress 346 00:21:26.312 --> 00:21:30.096 shows just like you talked about, walking around answering questions from 347 00:21:30.128 --> 00:21:33.968 people. And she can answer any question from anybody. 348 00:21:34.144 --> 00:21:37.832 And so what I think is just what you were 349 00:21:37.856 --> 00:21:40.620 saying, Joel. She needs to talk about 350 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:44.776 jobs, education. She 351 00:21:44.808 --> 00:21:48.408 needs to talk about women's issues. She's going to have to talk about the 352 00:21:48.424 --> 00:21:52.056 border and talk about how Trump killed the bill and that 353 00:21:52.208 --> 00:21:55.776 border crossings are at their lowest now than they've been in an 354 00:21:55.808 --> 00:21:59.424 incredibly long amount of time, that they care 355 00:21:59.472 --> 00:22:03.186 about the border, that, you know, what I always used to say is, I said, 356 00:22:03.218 --> 00:22:07.066 look, I am a compassionate person, but there 357 00:22:07.098 --> 00:22:10.850 are laws in place from the United States and the laws are to be 358 00:22:10.930 --> 00:22:14.390 obeyed. That's not complicated. So 359 00:22:14.930 --> 00:22:18.666 I'm at that farm show, you two today, and there was 360 00:22:18.698 --> 00:22:22.378 a gentleman, and I'm guessing he's over 70, like a typical 361 00:22:22.434 --> 00:22:26.226 farmer now in one country country. He's also probably rich at this 362 00:22:26.258 --> 00:22:29.736 point. Too. He's not doing badlandhouse, but he's walking 363 00:22:29.768 --> 00:22:33.280 around with a Harris walls t shirt. Wow. 364 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:37.184 And. And, guys, they would have done that a couple of years 365 00:22:37.192 --> 00:22:40.896 ago. You just didn't do that. Yeah. Even if 366 00:22:40.928 --> 00:22:44.736 they supported the democratic ticket, they were not telling their neighbors they 367 00:22:44.768 --> 00:22:48.512 did. Exactly. And this is the one thing that people. And 368 00:22:48.576 --> 00:22:52.224 we've been talking a lot about that this on the podcast, because 369 00:22:52.352 --> 00:22:55.610 a lot of our listeners, they aren't. They aren't driving 370 00:22:55.770 --> 00:22:59.578 the county roads, Joel and Joe. They 371 00:22:59.594 --> 00:23:03.090 aren't out there looking, and they don't have the comparison. 372 00:23:03.170 --> 00:23:06.970 Right. So I knew Hillary was in trouble. When I saw what was 373 00:23:07.010 --> 00:23:10.578 happening in western Minnesota and western. And 374 00:23:10.634 --> 00:23:14.418 western Pennsylvania, I knew she was in trouble. Places where you would 375 00:23:14.474 --> 00:23:18.050 never have seen a republican sign were flying the flags 376 00:23:18.170 --> 00:23:21.740 then in 20, same kind of like, in fact, we had 377 00:23:21.780 --> 00:23:25.476 pop up merch stores in small rural communities selling 378 00:23:25.548 --> 00:23:29.268 Trump merch. Joel, have you seen one of those? Have you seen a lot 379 00:23:29.284 --> 00:23:32.548 of. No. I mean. And I'm sure you aren't seeing it in rural 380 00:23:32.604 --> 00:23:36.196 Indiana the same way. Yeah. And you're not seeing the 381 00:23:36.228 --> 00:23:39.884 signs over in lake country. You know, we've got an area, Joe, 382 00:23:39.932 --> 00:23:43.396 over here that's kind of the high end. You know, that they all go from 383 00:23:43.428 --> 00:23:47.140 North Dakota to Minnesota and have pretty high end lake homes. Yeah, there's. 384 00:23:47.180 --> 00:23:50.916 There's no signs. I took my harley and wrote it over there. Just poked 385 00:23:50.948 --> 00:23:54.796 around to see nothing. I've got a really weird question for both 386 00:23:54.828 --> 00:23:58.124 of you, too, though, by the way. Just. Just. I think they want some 387 00:23:58.172 --> 00:24:01.180 peace, and they want some stability. They're 388 00:24:01.300 --> 00:24:05.012 insanity. They're worn out. They're worn out. I'm curious what you 389 00:24:05.036 --> 00:24:08.412 two think, because my producer is 27 years 390 00:24:08.436 --> 00:24:11.852 old. She is of a whole different generation than I 391 00:24:11.876 --> 00:24:15.320 am. She was so excited about Taylor 392 00:24:15.360 --> 00:24:19.184 Swift supporting the Kamala Harris, 393 00:24:19.232 --> 00:24:22.848 and she pulled up the data for me. How many shares? 394 00:24:22.904 --> 00:24:26.664 What's happening? I'm gonna throw it to you first, Joe. I 395 00:24:26.672 --> 00:24:30.312 mean, how big of a deal is that endorsement? I think it's a 396 00:24:30.336 --> 00:24:33.420 monstrous deal. I know my niece. 397 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:37.384 My niece, when she got tickets to the concert, 398 00:24:37.552 --> 00:24:41.362 broke down in tears, and I was thinking. All I was 399 00:24:41.386 --> 00:24:44.470 thinking was, I'm probably gonna have to drive her. You know, 400 00:24:47.090 --> 00:24:50.746 I was rooting against the tickets for that reason. But, 401 00:24:50.818 --> 00:24:54.310 I mean, this is a big part of who they are, 402 00:24:55.570 --> 00:24:59.070 and this is someone who they relate to, 403 00:24:59.490 --> 00:25:03.150 who they look up to, and it's a big deal. 404 00:25:03.970 --> 00:25:07.574 Heidi, you know, I was with a young woman last 405 00:25:07.622 --> 00:25:11.318 night. I did ABC radio, and she works there. And 406 00:25:11.454 --> 00:25:15.030 she came running at me to let me know that. Cause she had gotten the 407 00:25:15.070 --> 00:25:18.406 tweet first that Taylor, or the Instagram first that Taylor 408 00:25:18.438 --> 00:25:22.006 Swift had endorsed or had said she's gonna vote for 409 00:25:22.118 --> 00:25:25.766 Kamala Harris and encouraged her people to register. And she 410 00:25:25.798 --> 00:25:29.438 started telling me, I mean, she said she was an african, young african 411 00:25:29.494 --> 00:25:32.860 american woman. She said, I am a swifty. 412 00:25:33.760 --> 00:25:37.576 I can't tell you how big this is, how big this is. And 413 00:25:37.608 --> 00:25:41.408 the thing is that enthusiasm, if she 414 00:25:41.424 --> 00:25:45.216 gets it registered, and then from that registration, you get people voting, 415 00:25:45.328 --> 00:25:48.720 that's probably a 70% to 75% voting 416 00:25:48.760 --> 00:25:52.544 block for Kamala. And 417 00:25:52.672 --> 00:25:55.300 if they show up in those swing states, 418 00:25:56.320 --> 00:26:00.110 assume she's got a. I. The young woman told me it's like 419 00:26:00.150 --> 00:26:03.290 something like multimillion dollar followers, 420 00:26:04.150 --> 00:26:07.774 million followers. Millions and millions and millions. Almost 421 00:26:07.822 --> 00:26:11.262 40 million. I mean, it was like a huge number. And you think if you 422 00:26:11.286 --> 00:26:15.086 just motivate 10% of them in those swing states to show 423 00:26:15.118 --> 00:26:18.886 up and vote, and they vote the way young people are voting 424 00:26:18.918 --> 00:26:22.590 now, just take the demographics and understand it. This 425 00:26:22.630 --> 00:26:26.260 is. This could swing the election. And I think 426 00:26:26.300 --> 00:26:30.020 she has to continue to stay on this. This can't be just a 427 00:26:30.060 --> 00:26:33.804 one tweak deal. But I think what you'll 428 00:26:33.852 --> 00:26:37.580 see is just what you're talking about, Heidi. The biggest 429 00:26:37.620 --> 00:26:41.236 difference, I think, might be people who probably weren't going to 430 00:26:41.268 --> 00:26:44.716 vote, but now will. Yep, 431 00:26:44.868 --> 00:26:48.532 that's a great point. And that's what Abby said. That's what my 432 00:26:48.556 --> 00:26:51.960 producer said. She goes, there was a lot of people, she said, especially 433 00:26:52.350 --> 00:26:55.770 when it was Biden against Trump, that just simply weren't going to vote. 434 00:26:56.110 --> 00:26:59.582 They weren't excited. They felt left out. And she said, 435 00:26:59.646 --> 00:27:03.414 now there are going to be a lot of people that register to vote 436 00:27:03.462 --> 00:27:06.462 and vote. You got that look, hide. They can't see it on the radio. But 437 00:27:06.486 --> 00:27:10.006 I just have to laugh because Trump's reaction was, well, I have misses 438 00:27:10.038 --> 00:27:13.382 Mahomes. Number one. They probably didn't even know her first 439 00:27:13.446 --> 00:27:16.214 name, Brittany. And I'm like, 440 00:27:16.302 --> 00:27:19.670 hunter, you might not have her husband 441 00:27:19.710 --> 00:27:23.046 either. He's got Tommy Dorsey in the big jazz 442 00:27:23.078 --> 00:27:26.686 band. Hey, you guys, I've got one for you. So 443 00:27:26.758 --> 00:27:30.478 at this farm show, Lee Greenwood 444 00:27:30.574 --> 00:27:34.382 is performing. And I came home from the democratic convention. I 445 00:27:34.406 --> 00:27:38.086 said, well, if you want to see the difference between the two, we 446 00:27:38.118 --> 00:27:41.486 had pink, we had the chicks, and they had Lee 447 00:27:41.518 --> 00:27:45.172 Greenwood. And so my. My FM crew at the 448 00:27:45.196 --> 00:27:48.780 radio station, Joe, got a poster sign from Lee 449 00:27:48.820 --> 00:27:52.596 Greenwood, and they put it on my desk with a note that said, we 450 00:27:52.628 --> 00:27:56.468 know you're a big fan. I thought you were 451 00:27:56.484 --> 00:27:59.240 going to tell me it said something else on there from where you. 452 00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:04.852 I know we're running out of time. I just have to ask you this, and 453 00:28:04.876 --> 00:28:08.628 you're not going to like it. Who wins this thing, Heidi, if you 454 00:28:08.644 --> 00:28:12.094 ran it today, who wins? Um. If you run it today, I think she 455 00:28:12.142 --> 00:28:15.990 wins. But I am. But this is going to be razor thin. And my 456 00:28:16.030 --> 00:28:19.862 big concern and, you know, been doing a lot of work on election security, 457 00:28:20.046 --> 00:28:23.862 trying to prepare for what could happen if Trump decides he's going to 458 00:28:23.886 --> 00:28:26.718 stir the pot again. You know, think of 15, 459 00:28:26.814 --> 00:28:30.582 1600 people in jail because he told them the 460 00:28:30.606 --> 00:28:34.126 big lie that he had had one and that it was their job as 461 00:28:34.158 --> 00:28:37.520 patriots to defend him. He admits it was not 462 00:28:37.560 --> 00:28:41.112 sarcastic. He admits he lost. He will not. And 463 00:28:41.136 --> 00:28:44.656 now, now that he's been called out on that, he will not go 464 00:28:44.688 --> 00:28:48.416 quietly into the night. And so I think she wins. But 465 00:28:48.448 --> 00:28:51.744 I think we have to be prepared to protect democracy against 466 00:28:51.912 --> 00:28:55.660 another attempt to steal an election 467 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.192 speaker one. Joe, I think it comes down to Pennsylvania. If 468 00:29:00.216 --> 00:29:04.030 it was today, I think she wins by maybe a point or two. 469 00:29:05.090 --> 00:29:08.922 But what Heidi was saying, if somebody tells you who they are, believe 470 00:29:08.986 --> 00:29:12.430 them, and he intends, 471 00:29:13.330 --> 00:29:17.178 he would rather shut 472 00:29:17.234 --> 00:29:20.470 down the government, have the capital go up, 473 00:29:21.330 --> 00:29:24.826 than give this up, because remember, 474 00:29:24.978 --> 00:29:28.754 he's also facing criminal charges. I was saying the stakes are even 475 00:29:28.802 --> 00:29:32.648 higher, Joe. The stakes are even higher. And this is not going 476 00:29:32.664 --> 00:29:36.448 to be an easy road we have ahead, but we all have to stay strong. 477 00:29:36.584 --> 00:29:40.216 Yeah. And, and I will tell you this from my perspective 478 00:29:40.288 --> 00:29:44.112 as a radio talk show host, I'm not going to lie. I 479 00:29:44.136 --> 00:29:47.904 want her to win. I'm going to vote for Kamala. But as a talk show 480 00:29:47.952 --> 00:29:51.744 host, losing Donald Trump in the public eye, my ratings are going 481 00:29:51.792 --> 00:29:55.512 down. You guys. You know, I want to 482 00:29:55.536 --> 00:29:59.154 thank you so much for joining us today, Joe. We appreciate your thoughts, 483 00:29:59.242 --> 00:30:01.706 and we're going to do this more with you whether you like it or not. 484 00:30:01.738 --> 00:30:05.210 We got your cell phone. And I want to thank all those listeners out there 485 00:30:05.250 --> 00:30:09.098 for their support and their interest. Get out and vote. Talk to 486 00:30:09.114 --> 00:30:12.906 your friends. Knock on doors, make phone calls. This is going to be a little 487 00:30:12.938 --> 00:30:16.090 bit of everything. And, you know, I want you to learn about what we're doing 488 00:30:16.130 --> 00:30:17.586 at one country by going to 489 00:30:17.618 --> 00:30:21.202 onecountryproject.com. thank you, 490 00:30:21.226 --> 00:30:24.874 too. I got to see this one. Heidi, next time you. Okay. 491 00:30:24.962 --> 00:30:28.610 Okay. All right. Thanks, you guys. Thanks for listening on one 492 00:30:28.650 --> 00:30:29.230 country. 493 00:30:40.770 --> 00:30:41.690 Last topic of.