00;00;00;07 - 00;00;29;11 Sarah Hey, maniacs, just a note before we get started. This episode does mention suicide. We're not going to focus on it or spend too much time on it, but we want you to know just in case you need to be careful while listening on with the show. Hey, maniac. 00;00;29;11 - 00;00;30;16 Mark Hey, Maniac. 00;00;30;27 - 00;00;31;18 Mark Oh, my. 00;00;31;18 - 00;00;49;21 Mark Gosh. Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Each week we dig in to an episode of a show, including the Murders, Man, movies and everything else we love this Week. Murder Mysteries Season one Episode five. Till Death Do US Part. 00;00;49;22 - 00;00;51;27 Mark Yes. I'm Mark. 00;00;51;28 - 00;00;55;20 Sarah I'm Sarah. And what a week it's been. Spring break. It's supposed to be a break, right? 00;00;55;22 - 00;00;57;02 Mark It's a crazy week. All right. 00;00;57;03 - 00;00;58;14 Sarah It's not. There's no break. 00;00;58;14 - 00;00;58;20 Mark Here. 00;01;00;02 - 00;01;02;08 Mark Luckily, we don't get a break till May. 00;01;02;17 - 00;01;03;10 Mark Yes. 00;01;04;22 - 00;01;09;06 Sarah But, you know, you have time off work and you look forward to it. And you think Sarah. 00;01;09;06 - 00;01;09;18 Mark Had time. 00;01;09;18 - 00;01;23;15 Sarah Off? I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. And then I wound up working a couple of days instead. And then I did all the things I wanted to do, jam packed, and now that's over. And I'm looking around the house going, There's stuff I probably should have done instead. 00;01;23;18 - 00;01;30;02 Sarah It just but I'll be damned if I'm going to spend three days off work cleaning house. I'm just not going to do it. I don't know when I'm going to do it, but I'm not going to do it. 00;01;30;07 - 00;01;31;25 Mark Plus, we have children. They should be. 00;01;31;25 - 00;01;34;12 Mark Cleaning the house. I know, shouldn't they? 00;01;34;13 - 00;01;35;00 Mark They should. 00;01;35;08 - 00;01;35;22 Mark Yeah, they. 00;01;35;28 - 00;01;38;09 Sarah Oh, my gosh. Somebody crocheted a psycho box. 00;01;38;11 - 00;01;39;00 Mark Yes. 00;01;40;11 - 00;01;41;23 Mark So amazing. 00;01;41;24 - 00;01;43;21 Mark It is amazing. 00;01;43;21 - 00;01;58;21 Mark I can please, whenever you do anything related to the podcast, like get merge or crochet a psycho fox or make an ice sculpture, please call us and send us pictures. It makes our day. 00;01;58;23 - 00;02;02;09 Mark Let's share it. It's so fun. Yeah, it's so fun. 00;02;02;10 - 00;02;05;26 Sarah We even got a message from your brother saying, Hey, save me a back and read T-shirt. 00;02;06;08 - 00;02;09;19 Mark Yeah. My brother's a maniac now. Totally. 00;02;10;02 - 00;02;11;08 Mark We got him. Yeah, got. 00;02;11;08 - 00;02;22;00 Sarah Him. Oh, boy. So just a reminder. Speaking of merch, all the proceeds will go to Target ovarian cancer now until the end of May. So head on over and pick something. 00;02;22;03 - 00;02;22;15 Mark Up. 00;02;22;23 - 00;02;26;22 Mark As well as we'll have some new designs coming up. We have a couple ideas. 00;02;26;25 - 00;02;28;10 Mark Yeah. Yeah, that's fun stuff. 00;02;28;14 - 00;02;36;07 Mark This episode is, of course, the spoiler podcast. And if you let your kids go to the tennis club, they should be allowed to listen to this episode. 00;02;36;07 - 00;02;39;17 Sarah Depends how old they are and when they go to the tennis, I guess. 00;02;40;26 - 00;02;41;01 Mark Yes. 00;02;41;08 - 00;02;49;15 Sarah Yes, we are going to ruin it. We're going to give it away. If you haven't seen til death do us part. Pause right now. Go watch it. Come back. Yes. Or we're going to mess it up for you. 00;02;49;17 - 00;02;58;23 Mark Original Air Date February 17, 2008. Don MC Mcbrearty is directed this and Janet McLellan wrote it. 00;02;58;25 - 00;03;07;14 Sarah This is one in a long line of mystery shows where either the bride or groom get killed on the wedding day. 00;03;07;16 - 00;03;10;14 Mark Yes, midsummer is a classic example of this. 00;03;10;15 - 00;03;24;12 Sarah Oh, do not get married in Midsummer Globe. Come back. Don't tell anybody until it's over or you'll get shot right outside the church or poisoned or whatever. I mean, this is this is not so bloody. 00;03;24;17 - 00;03;24;29 Mark Yeah. 00;03;25;06 - 00;03;33;21 Sarah That the midsummer where it happens, it's like slo mo bride smiling and waving, coming out of the church and then she gets shot. 00;03;33;22 - 00;03;34;10 Mark Well, and. 00;03;34;10 - 00;03;38;24 Mark Then in midsummer, there's the bridesmaid who gets run through with the spear. 00;03;38;24 - 00;03;40;19 Sarah Oh, yeah, there's that, too. 00;03;40;26 - 00;03;42;12 Mark It's a very great show. By. 00;03;42;23 - 00;03;50;13 Sarah Weddings are dangerous. Yes. This is what we know. I mean, you don't have to watch Game of Thrones Red Wedding episode. No, no, Weddings are dangerous. 00;03;50;13 - 00;03;51;20 Mark Weddings certainly are dates. 00;03;51;20 - 00;04;01;05 Sarah And so they are in Toronto in 1895, too, because Wendell gets smacked upside the head with a big cross on his wedding day before he can even get married. 00;04;01;05 - 00;04;11;29 Mark Everybody's going into the church. The bride's getting ready when those in the ante room getting nervous, getting the cold feet. Well, there's a reason why. 00;04;11;29 - 00;04;12;28 Mark He's getting cold feet. 00;04;12;28 - 00;04;30;27 Sarah And this is a time in history when weddings weren't necessarily big like they were important. But you might only have like ten people at your wedding. And that was perfectly fine, unless it was a big society, like two wealthy families getting married. It might only be like your closest relatives, and that's. 00;04;30;28 - 00;04;32;28 Mark People from the church at this wedding. 00;04;33;08 - 00;04;37;05 Sarah Yeah. Aren't there, like, always old ladies who will show up for, like, anything? 00;04;37;07 - 00;04;41;19 Mark I would think so. So this church is completely fascinating. 00;04;41;19 - 00;04;43;06 Mark It's beautiful. Yes. 00;04;43;07 - 00;04;47;01 Sarah Did you find out what church it actually is? Yes. It's not a set, that's for sure. 00;04;47;02 - 00;04;53;12 Mark No, no, no, no. This church is located in Hamilton, Ontario. 00;04;53;13 - 00;04;56;21 Sarah It is. Is Hamilton, like a suburb of Toronto? 00;04;56;21 - 00;05;05;12 Mark Kind of. It's far enough away that it's there. There are a lot of people who live in Hamilton who work in Toronto. Okay. But it's like an hour and a half away. 00;05;05;13 - 00;05;06;03 Sarah Oh, okay. 00;05;06;05 - 00;05;08;19 Mark It's kind of right at the end of the lake. 00;05;08;24 - 00;05;10;00 Sarah That's a long commute. 00;05;10;01 - 00;05;14;04 Mark Yeah, well, do you have you seen housing prices in Toronto lately? 00;05;14;08 - 00;05;15;03 Mark It's good. Yeah. 00;05;15;12 - 00;05;22;29 Mark And plus, they have this thing in Canada called public transportation that allows you to get places easily and cheaply. 00;05;23;01 - 00;05;23;16 Mark Yes. 00;05;24;03 - 00;05;26;16 Sarah Quickly. Okay. So it's a church in Hamilton. 00;05;26;16 - 00;05;48;13 Mark So there's about a 500 to 800000 people. It's about that size. And it's the St Paul's Presbyterian Church right downtown. And in Hamilton. It is a gorgeous church. Who actually has a fairly robust online presence, including a YouTube channel. And they got the talk and everything. 00;05;48;13 - 00;05;49;29 Sarah And a church on tik-tok. Yep. 00;05;50;07 - 00;06;05;08 Mark The press they're also part of. I think that makes me proud of Canadians. They are taking in Serbian refugees and helping them find places to live, and that's great. The whole thing about it's beautiful. 00;06;05;13 - 00;06;07;22 Sarah Yeah, it's so, so pretty inside that church. 00;06;07;25 - 00;06;11;11 Mark It is. And there's a plaque. There's a time traveling plaque. 00;06;12;09 - 00;06;15;15 Sarah That big brass plaque on the back wall that you can't miss. 00;06;15;25 - 00;06;19;02 Mark James GILBEY A and p. 00;06;19;03 - 00;06;20;02 Mark P. 00;06;20;02 - 00;06;30;06 Mark A. D. I'm not sure what that is paid. No, no, it's. It's like it's part of his B.A. It's a B PD. 00;06;30;06 - 00;06;31;17 Sarah But his last name is. 00;06;31;26 - 00;06;32;14 Mark Gill. 00;06;32;17 - 00;06;41;00 Sarah Oh, I thought Gill was his middle name. I thought it was James Gill B.a.p baby. And his last name was Pede. 00;06;41;08 - 00;06;46;01 Mark No, no, no, no, no, no. Yo, Jimmy. Pete, How you doing? 00;06;46;04 - 00;06;48;17 Mark No, it's not Jimmy B, it's Jimmy. 00;06;48;17 - 00;06;49;20 Mark Gill. Okay. 00;06;49;24 - 00;06;53;05 Mark At first, when I looked at it, I thought it was Gilley's, which. 00;06;53;14 - 00;06;54;14 Mark If you watch what. 00;06;54;22 - 00;06;56;01 Sarah You watched Murdoch. Yeah. 00;06;56;03 - 00;07;14;14 Mark And his birthdate is 1864, which he could have had a plaque in the church. 1895 is a 19 year old. 21 year old. But he died in 1939 and listed on their. So the time traveling member of St Paul's for 39 years. 00;07;14;14 - 00;07;20;06 Sarah Well, I'm sure when they film someplace like this, they're just simply not allowed to do anything. 00;07;20;08 - 00;07;29;15 Mark Yeah, he was. He was the superintendent of the Sunday school for 15 years and clerk of the session for 38 years. Wow. He was very involved in this. 00;07;29;17 - 00;07;31;04 Sarah He deserves a plaque now. 00;07;31;04 - 00;07;31;16 Mark A plaque? 00;07;31;18 - 00;07;55;09 Mark One thing I don't know if you noticed that in this gorgeous church is one thing where the director must have loved when they walked in. Not only the gorgeous stained glass. The stained glass is beautiful, the doorways are beautiful. All that is beautiful. But there is a union jack flag on the wall. Did you notice that? Which would have been time appropriate for this? 00;07;55;10 - 00;07;55;22 Sarah Yeah. 00;07;55;26 - 00;07;58;29 Mark So they must have looked at that and been like, Oh, this is perfect. 00;07;59;04 - 00;08;00;07 Sarah Maybe that's why they chose it. 00;08;00;07 - 00;08;06;23 Mark Yeah, it's a it's a big antique union. Jack Now, then they showed the keyboard, the. 00;08;07;01 - 00;08;07;17 Sarah Organ. 00;08;07;17 - 00;08;10;04 Mark And I was like, That is not a period organ. 00;08;10;07 - 00;08;10;24 Sarah It's not. 00;08;11;03 - 00;08;11;14 Mark No. 00;08;11;15 - 00;08;14;09 Sarah 1895 organs didn't have a swell section. 00;08;14;18 - 00;08;18;05 Mark According according. 00;08;18;14 - 00;08;20;28 Sarah You know, we do have to get to the plot at some point. Right. 00;08;21;00 - 00;08;23;12 Mark To the pipe organ database. 00;08;23;20 - 00;08;24;24 Mark Oh, boy. 00;08;25;24 - 00;08;33;14 Sarah You know, I bet you the organ that's here at Indiana University is on their database. We have a humongous organ. And that's not just bragging. 00;08;33;21 - 00;08;42;28 Mark I have a bill. I have a belief is it's a canned Casavant phrase, limited, installed organ that was installed in 1959. 00;08;43;03 - 00;08;44;29 Sarah Time traveling organ. 00;08;45;01 - 00;08;54;27 Mark It has 50 ranks, 2922 pipes, four divisions, four manual stops, 44 manuals, 45 stops in 43 registers. 00;08;55;18 - 00;08;56;27 Sarah So it can make a lot of sounds. 00;08;56;29 - 00;09;05;24 Mark It's listed on the pipe organ database as incomplete in terms of minutes of its entry. 00;09;05;24 - 00;09;08;21 Sarah Oh, the entries incomplete. Yes. The organs not included. 00;09;08;22 - 00;09;10;08 Mark Have all that information. 00;09;10;08 - 00;09;11;07 Sarah And there's still more. 00;09;11;21 - 00;09;12;03 Mark About it. 00;09;12;04 - 00;09;13;06 Mark More to say about. 00;09;13;07 - 00;09;15;27 Sarah Nobody mentioned the swell section on the keyboard. 00;09;15;27 - 00;09;19;08 Mark No, no, no. It's. Well, it's what it says. Not. Wow. 00;09;19;09 - 00;09;39;12 Mark It's not the largest one in Canada. I looked up the largest pipe organ in Canada. It is the Kimball Theater pipe organ in Kingston, Ontario, which was built by the Chicago Kimball Pipe Organ Company in 1928 for installation in the Youngstown, Ohio Theater to accompany silent movies. And then the Kimball Theater in Kingston bought it. 00;09;40;03 - 00;09;41;17 Sarah So it went to Ohio and then came back. 00;09;41;17 - 00;09;44;27 Mark Can you imagine moving a pipe organ across the border? 00;09;45;07 - 00;09;46;16 Sarah It'd be a lot of pieces. 00;09;46;16 - 00;09;53;27 Mark Would be a lot of pieces, but some of them have. Like they got to be treated like you can't just throw all those pipes on a truck. 00;09;53;28 - 00;09;56;22 Mark No, no. 00;09;56;22 - 00;10;01;20 Sarah I just imagine some really uptight organists, like riding along with it. It's okay, baby. 00;10;02;01 - 00;10;03;23 Mark It's okay. Okay. We're going to go. 00;10;03;23 - 00;10;04;10 Sarah To the United. 00;10;04;10 - 00;10;07;06 Mark States. It's all right. You'll be swell. 00;10;07;25 - 00;10;09;24 Sarah So the Merrick, the family? 00;10;09;24 - 00;10;10;10 Mark Yes. 00;10;10;19 - 00;10;13;11 Sarah The mother and her two. 00;10;13;11 - 00;10;16;26 Mark She's only referred to as the mother. And she's never happy. 00;10;16;26 - 00;10;18;12 Sarah She's Mrs. Merrick? 00;10;18;12 - 00;10;18;26 Mark Yes. 00;10;19;03 - 00;10;26;15 Sarah And her sons, Wendell, the groom, and Thomas, the younger son? Yes. And he's marrying Eunice McGinty? 00;10;26;17 - 00;10;28;17 Mark Yes, Eunice. 00;10;28;28 - 00;10;32;06 Sarah And give your name is Eunice. You have to wear wire framed glasses. 00;10;32;06 - 00;10;38;20 Mark It's. It's. And she's pinching her cheeks. She feels she doesn't. She's not as good looking as she needs to be. 00;10;38;21 - 00;10;44;07 Sarah Well, nobody feel I mean, you want to be as pretty as you can. I'm your wedding day. It's important. 00;10;44;07 - 00;10;48;21 Mark But then the brother finds his brother Wendell dead. 00;10;48;29 - 00;10;51;01 Mark Don't. Don't Don. 00;10;51;05 - 00;10;52;24 Mark Insert commercial break. 00;10;53;04 - 00;11;02;20 Sarah Well, you know, they don't have a very good relationship because his brother isn't his best man. His best friend Laurence's. No, Dad, No. And Eunice's maid of honor is Daisy. 00;11;02;24 - 00;11;04;22 Mark Daisy. Daisy Hanson? Yeah. 00;11;04;26 - 00;11;07;09 Sarah She of the blond poodle do. 00;11;07;10 - 00;11;07;18 Mark Yeah. 00;11;07;18 - 00;11;08;04 Sarah In the front. 00;11;08;04 - 00;11;12;10 Mark So Murdoch arrives with his brand new murder bag. Second appearance of the murder bag? 00;11;12;11 - 00;11;20;10 Sarah Yeah. He's got his murder bag on his bike. And, like, you don't want Murdoch showing up with his murder bag to your place. It's a bad sign, right? 00;11;20;10 - 00;11;31;26 Mark No, there's a weird shot here. Did you notice it? It's a doctor, Organ, Ogden and Murdoch talking, and the Bible is in the front in the foreground. It's like over the Bible. 00;11;31;28 - 00;11;34;11 Sarah No, but I did see Wendell's fingers move. 00;11;34;15 - 00;11;37;23 Mark Oh, he did? Aha. Oh, that's not good. 00;11;37;29 - 00;11;39;10 Mark Bad corpse acting. 00;11;39;17 - 00;11;43;16 Mark No. And they find out that the maze of God. 00;11;43;26 - 00;11;44;20 Mark What is that. 00;11;44;20 - 00;11;50;02 Mark Thing? So what that is because I've used one before not to. 00;11;50;20 - 00;11;52;14 Mark Say who are you whacking with it. 00;11;52;14 - 00;11;56;07 Mark But the procession that leads into the church sometimes and. 00;11;56;10 - 00;11;57;12 Sarah How you carry. 00;11;57;15 - 00;11;58;21 Mark A carry across like. 00;11;58;21 - 00;12;04;19 Sarah That. Even in a Presbyterian church. Yeah. I didn't know they had so much pomp. I thought that was the Catholic thing. 00;12;04;19 - 00;12;11;07 Mark Again, all Canadian Protestant religions are. We're not Catholic, but we're everything else. 00;12;11;29 - 00;12;19;05 Sarah So the daily map is that the Merricks own some kind of business that is doing well and they're wealthy. 00;12;19;15 - 00;12;20;00 Mark Something. 00;12;20;05 - 00;12;33;15 Sarah And Wendell, the older brother, would not inherit his half of the business unless he got married. Apparently, Thomas is trusted enough to have inherited his half. We don't know if he's married or not. I assume he's not given how the episode ends. 00;12;33;15 - 00;12;40;12 Mark He's trustworthy, though. He like he we talked about this. He totally looks like frat boy. 00;12;40;12 - 00;12;45;05 Sarah Yes. He comes across as a country club Izod wearing guy. 00;12;45;05 - 00;12;48;00 Mark The actor does not look comfortable and gentlemanly. 00;12;48;09 - 00;12;49;00 Mark Would you. 00;12;49;12 - 00;12;51;05 Sarah Entails and a top half a. 00;12;51;05 - 00;12;52;21 Mark Little more than him I would hope. 00;12;52;24 - 00;12;53;21 Mark Oh, I don't. 00;12;53;21 - 00;12;59;22 Sarah Know if anybody's comfortable in that. But apparently Wendell is a spender and quite wild. 00;13;00;07 - 00;13;02;17 Mark I got about there's. 00;13;02;17 - 00;13;05;25 Mark Quite a few names hurled at the poor brother in. 00;13;05;25 - 00;13;06;07 Mark This. 00;13;06;20 - 00;13;10;02 Sarah I think he wasn't wild. I think he was gay. 00;13;10;13 - 00;13;12;27 Mark He is anyway, homosexual. 00;13;12;28 - 00;13;27;07 Sarah So apparently dad in his will, because the family kind of knew that Wendell was gay, was like, oh, I'm not having anybody who out of the gay inherit house my company, you got to get married and pretend to be straight. So Eunice is his beard, basically. 00;13;27;07 - 00;13;28;20 Mark Basically, she's his beard. 00;13;28;21 - 00;13;29;02 Sarah Yeah. 00;13;29;02 - 00;13;31;11 Mark And it comes out later that she knew. 00;13;31;11 - 00;13;46;15 Sarah She kind of knows that. Yeah. Just like Lawrence, his wife knows. And that was probably totally common. Yeah. In the time where there was an understanding because a lot of people got married for reasons other than being crazy about each other. Yes. Not like us, baby. 00;13;46;15 - 00;13;47;19 Mark No. Oh. 00;13;48;02 - 00;13;58;10 Sarah Eunice's pretending to be a bit backward and mousy and wearing fake glasses and pension, her cheeks and everything else. But it doesn't matter because they're not going to get married. Because Wendell's been whacked. 00;13;58;18 - 00;14;00;22 Mark Yes. While he gets double worked. 00;14;00;26 - 00;14;03;06 Mark Yeah, he's. 00;14;03;09 - 00;14;18;23 Sarah Yeah. So he's dead in the church. And mother, of course, has to go home right away. Yes, I'm sure she's not handling it. I'm sorry that they don't show her and her reaction to it, because I'm kind of curious whether she would be like, oh, no, my oldest son is dead. I loved him. Or she'd be. 00;14;18;23 - 00;14;24;12 Mark Like, this is just the kind of thing he would go, you know, like, got about going to go die on his wedding. 00;14;24;12 - 00;14;28;23 Mark Day. Strangely enough, weddings can be filled with so much tension that it. 00;14;29;02 - 00;14;29;29 Sarah You never know how they. 00;14;30;06 - 00;14;38;23 Mark Interact. The best kind of wedding is to go do is one that you have absolutely no involvement with. So you see all this craziness go on your. 00;14;38;23 - 00;14;39;06 Sarah Train, your. 00;14;39;06 - 00;14;39;17 Mark Wedding. 00;14;39;29 - 00;14;41;23 Sarah Strange, crashing, strange, your wedding. 00;14;41;23 - 00;14;51;04 Mark No, no, I did this and I did, I. I went with a friend of mine one time to a wedding. She asked me to go with her because she didn't want questions asked about her. 00;14;51;04 - 00;14;52;16 Mark And you were her beard. 00;14;52;24 - 00;14;54;23 Mark You know, she wasn't gay. 00;14;55;11 - 00;14;55;18 Sarah But. 00;14;56;01 - 00;15;00;19 Mark But I was kind of her beard. But there was this also. 00;15;01;09 - 00;15;02;13 Mark That's an awesome wedding. 00;15;02;13 - 00;15;03;12 Mark Yeah, it was awesome. 00;15;03;18 - 00;15;20;07 Sarah To be there as a stranger, not as a member of the family, I'm sure. Yeah, well, Mrs. Merrick may be freaking out, but Eunice is doing just fine because Daisy gives her a big ol dose of heroin. It's a wonder drug. Just put her right out. Yeah, I bet it did. 00;15;21;07 - 00;15;21;14 Mark Like. 00;15;21;25 - 00;15;28;01 Sarah How long did it take them to realize that just selling heroin in drugstores is not a good idea? Just. They were. 00;15;28;01 - 00;15;29;13 Mark Doing heroin and cocaine at. 00;15;29;13 - 00;15;34;10 Sarah This time. And opium. Yeah. Yeah, it was. I mean, just give her a shot of whiskey. 00;15;34;10 - 00;15;37;21 Mark Vs casual use of heroin in this episode. 00;15;37;21 - 00;15;40;10 Sarah Yeah, she sent a little bottle and she just puts on the shelf now. 00;15;40;12 - 00;16;08;29 Mark Which is another a total Murdoch thing where they're like, So Murdoch, any good science fiction? I'm not saying that Murdoch is science fiction, though. It is sometimes is a representation of current things at different it's anachronistic. Yeah, in a fantasy environment, not anachronistic. I think they were probably doing heroin then. Yeah, but it's a little nod to we had no idea the heroin was so bad, so it's okay that we beat up the gay people. 00;16;09;03 - 00;16;15;04 Sarah It's one of those moments where it's kind of a wink and a nod to the audience. But we know better now, don't we? 00;16;15;18 - 00;16;17;08 Mark This episode is full of them. 00;16;17;08 - 00;16;20;10 Sarah Yes, full of it. Eunice pretends to be all upset. 00;16;20;22 - 00;16;22;11 Mark She's not upset. She's not. 00;16;22;13 - 00;16;24;19 Sarah She's spoiler. And then we get to go to the morgue. 00;16;24;26 - 00;16;25;07 Mark Yeah. 00;16;25;11 - 00;16;26;26 Sarah And the brain is just. 00;16;27;11 - 00;16;28;13 Mark There, right? 00;16;28;14 - 00;16;29;16 Mark I love Julia. 00;16;29;16 - 00;16;37;25 Sarah I like. And here's a brain. Did you see her chalkboard? No. She's got a diagram of the brain with a big scribbling mark over where it's bonked. 00;16;38;01 - 00;16;38;20 Mark Oh, wow. 00;16;38;20 - 00;16;40;02 Sarah Where the hematoma is. 00;16;40;02 - 00;16;40;18 Mark Wow. 00;16;40;27 - 00;16;48;07 Sarah When? By the way, as a side note, my mom was a nurse, and so she would sometimes use medical terminology for things at home. 00;16;48;08 - 00;16;48;19 Mark Yes. 00;16;49;00 - 00;17;01;08 Sarah So as a kid, I bruise and our house was a hematoma. Yeah, right. Sometimes Not all the time. It sometimes, but when I was little, really little like kindergarten and younger, I thought it was keep it tomada. 00;17;01;24 - 00;17;02;20 Mark Be put to me. 00;17;02;20 - 00;17;04;18 Mark Though. Yes. That you had a. 00;17;04;18 - 00;17;05;19 Sarah Heap of tomato on your. 00;17;05;19 - 00;17;06;16 Mark Like. Wow. 00;17;07;05 - 00;17;09;21 Mark So is that what discolored your leg. 00;17;09;23 - 00;17;12;03 Mark I, I don't know. I thought that, but. 00;17;12;03 - 00;17;13;17 Sarah That's what I thought the word was was. 00;17;14;03 - 00;17;15;03 Mark Great. That's a great. 00;17;15;20 - 00;17;20;18 Sarah Hematoma. Maybe that's why I don't like tomatoes. Maybe because I thought that's what grew under your skin when. 00;17;20;18 - 00;17;22;06 Mark You had a bruise right. 00;17;22;24 - 00;17;26;27 Mark There. I love how matter of fact, Julia is about that. 00;17;26;27 - 00;17;27;24 Sarah He had had sex. 00;17;27;24 - 00;17;35;26 Mark He had the big gay sex, like, 20 minutes before this. Yeah. So, okay, She said that he had sex earlier in the day. 00;17;35;28 - 00;17;36;10 Mark Mm hmm. 00;17;36;17 - 00;17;39;13 Mark So did he have sex with Lawrence earlier in the day? 00;17;39;23 - 00;17;44;20 Sarah I would assume so, but not at church, surely. Before church, somewhere else. 00;17;44;20 - 00;17;46;24 Mark It seems they have a lot on that day, that. 00;17;46;24 - 00;17;50;03 Sarah Maybe busy day, especially since people got married in the morning, then. 00;17;50;03 - 00;17;50;29 Mark Yeah, it. 00;17;50;29 - 00;17;58;18 Sarah Was fairly common for people to get married in the morning and then have a wedding breakfast like that was a thing that people did. So they, they got up early and. 00;17;58;20 - 00;17;59;17 Mark Here we have. 00;18;00;06 - 00;18;01;03 Mark More ways than one. 00;18;01;06 - 00;18;10;08 Mark Thing they did. They got to Here we have one of our favorite tropes of the show, which is the wide eyed Murdoch. 00;18;10;09 - 00;18;12;00 Sarah Murdoch learns a lesson. 00;18;12;00 - 00;18;12;17 Mark Yes. 00;18;13;09 - 00;18;24;06 Sarah I suddenly we get to see how naive Murdoch is, how his lack of worldly awareness and Julia is usually his guide. 00;18;24;06 - 00;18;25;07 Mark To What the hell are. 00;18;25;07 - 00;18;26;28 Sarah You thinking, Murdoch? Come on. 00;18;27;14 - 00;18;27;21 Mark Up. 00;18;28;10 - 00;18;41;21 Mark And and she does that role here that we see in later episodes that I wish she had had done in the last episode with the couple in the boxing episode, with the couple who were so openly swingers. 00;18;41;21 - 00;18;42;04 Mark Yeah. 00;18;42;11 - 00;18;49;00 Sarah Like she doesn't say, Well, they're not hurting anybody. Get over it. Yeah. William But she does a good job of calling them out on it. 00;18;49;02 - 00;18;49;12 Mark Yeah. 00;18;49;19 - 00;18;55;15 Sarah And he doesn't necessarily accept it right away, but I think she doesn't in a way that gets through to him anyway. 00;18;55;24 - 00;19;06;13 Mark And I think he is innocent and naive here because of his upbringing. And but, but he was also like a uniform for five years. Yeah. 00;19;06;13 - 00;19;19;00 Sarah He didn't fall out of the sky is attractive. Do you think he would be a little bit more worldly and he wasn't a detective in some little podunk place either? No. Right. Of course. Bracken Reid has every slur. Right. Ready to go. 00;19;19;14 - 00;19;20;01 Mark Wow. 00;19;20;01 - 00;19;37;29 Sarah Oh, on the tip of his tongue. And I'm not even going to repeat them. No, but see, Bracken Reed is already a more complex character because though he is clearly I don't think he's homophobic phobic. He's not afraid of them, but he definitely thinks less of them. 00;19;37;29 - 00;19;39;00 Mark He thinks they're funny. 00;19;39;00 - 00;19;48;28 Sarah And wants to make fun of them. But while well, he thinks that he's also willing to concede things will probably change. But right now we have to work in the system we've got. 00;19;48;29 - 00;20;00;27 Mark Yes, right. And he also says probably the most misogynistic thing he's ever said, which is it's like the like a woman scorned and a man without an attitude to get things done. 00;20;01;01 - 00;20;02;11 Mark Yeah. Yeah. 00;20;02;11 - 00;20;09;01 Sarah It's like, yeah, thanks, Brooke and Reed. And then Oh, yeah, one of my favorite scenes, the episodes, which is Constable Perkins. 00;20;09;03 - 00;20;11;17 Mark Oh, my gosh. What do Perkins do? 00;20;11;25 - 00;20;14;20 Sarah He's in Brock and Reid's office records. I'm like. 00;20;14;25 - 00;20;15;20 Mark Please excuse me. 00;20;15;20 - 00;20;22;16 Sarah Murdoch. I got some business. Said, Yeah. So Murdoch goes off and talks to Crabtree and poor Constable Perkins has to go into. 00;20;22;16 - 00;20;27;01 Mark Brady's screams at Perkins first. Like, get in here. 00;20;27;01 - 00;20;30;03 Sarah Yeah. And Perkins is just standing there at attention so. 00;20;30;03 - 00;20;30;16 Mark Perkins. 00;20;30;16 - 00;20;31;22 Sarah Taking it. Whatever. 00;20;31;23 - 00;20;33;11 Mark Constable. 00;20;33;11 - 00;20;34;17 Sarah Constable Perkins. 00;20;34;18 - 00;20;35;22 Mark What did he do? 00;20;35;26 - 00;20;37;04 Sarah Something real bad. 00;20;37;04 - 00;20;40;03 Mark I think he took Braxton Reed. Oh. Whiskey. 00;20;40;12 - 00;20;44;06 Sarah Oh. I think he'd get fired for that. Yeah. No, I think maybe. 00;20;45;09 - 00;20;47;09 Mark He said something about Braxton Reed's wife. 00;20;47;15 - 00;20;49;22 Sarah Again. I think you just get fired or punched. 00;20;49;26 - 00;20;50;15 Mark Punched for. 00;20;50;15 - 00;21;05;07 Sarah That. You get fired and then beat up in the alley. It must have been something on duty. Like he let a girl where is bad for fun or something, you know, because whatever it is, he knows it was wrong because he's not arguing his case whatsoever. He's just. 00;21;05;08 - 00;21;06;18 Mark Taking out a part time job. 00;21;06;18 - 00;21;07;05 Mark Somewhere else. 00;21;07;06 - 00;21;14;08 Sarah But I also like the way Bracken Reed has a little bit of zeal and his I like he's looking forward to ripping him a new one, like, pardon me. 00;21;14;08 - 00;21;16;18 Mark I'm going to teach this whippersnapper a. 00;21;16;18 - 00;21;21;07 Mark Lesson. Yeah, yeah. And we got old Dan all day. 00;21;21;13 - 00;21;44;05 Sarah The homeless guy outside the church begging for pennies. Totally a character. He's probably the best known actor of all the the the episodes Pacific actors. In this episode, he's played by Doug McGrath. He was in The Outlaw Josey Wales. Yeah, he was in Pale Rider, which is another Clint Eastwood movie, and he was in John Carpenter's Ghost of Mars. 00;21;44;05 - 00;21;45;24 Mark Yes. What you asked me about. All right. 00;21;45;26 - 00;21;49;27 Sarah Which has Ice Cube, Pam Grier and Jason Statham in. 00;21;49;28 - 00;21;52;11 Mark RiffTrax movie. 00;21;52;11 - 00;21;55;04 Sarah He does not play old Dan in any of those movie. 00;21;56;15 - 00;21;57;13 Mark He's not like. 00;21;57;20 - 00;21;58;19 Sarah The Mars hobo. 00;21;58;19 - 00;22;01;10 Mark Or anything wandering. 00;22;01;10 - 00;22;06;28 Sarah Around asking for space pennies when he's on screen. He's great, but he's absolutely underused as an actor. 00;22;06;29 - 00;22;08;02 Mark Oh, he's way and. 00;22;08;03 - 00;22;10;17 Sarah He's been around for a really long time and he's played a lot. 00;22;10;18 - 00;22;13;25 Mark They were like, We need a hobo. We know this guy. 00;22;14;03 - 00;22;15;12 Mark Yeah, Doug will do it. Yeah. 00;22;15;13 - 00;22;18;27 Sarah Doug Fun. Yeah. I think grew a beard recently. We can have him do it. 00;22;18;28 - 00;22;19;10 Mark Yeah. 00;22;20;04 - 00;22;31;27 Mark And there there is. So they're trying to figure out, according to Murdoch's murder map, if the priest could hear the argument in his chambers. 00;22;31;27 - 00;22;32;24 Sarah The reverend? 00;22;32;24 - 00;22;35;11 Mark Yes. So not a priest, Reverend, That's important. 00;22;35;11 - 00;22;38;04 Mark Yes. The reverend could hear the argument in. 00;22;38;04 - 00;22;43;06 Sarah His head because he says Laurence and and Wendell were arguing in the meeting room that. 00;22;43;06 - 00;22;43;14 Mark What, they. 00;22;43;14 - 00;22;44;29 Mark Called. Yeah, yeah. 00;22;45;08 - 00;23;00;20 Sarah That's what he calls it. But they were arguing. Yeah, in the meeting room. But that he couldn't hear exactly what they were saying. But Murdoch doubts that, right. So he puts Crabtree in the meeting room and has him yell and he hangs out in the reverend's office to see if he can make out the word. 00;23;00;20 - 00;23;05;24 Mark And poor Crabtree. So, like, he doesn't want to offend anybody. He doesn't like to yell. 00;23;06;01 - 00;23;07;29 Sarah Yeah, well, what would you feel about? 00;23;08;09 - 00;23;10;14 Mark I don't know. Some nerve. 00;23;11;17 - 00;23;13;02 Sarah You probably yell song lyrics. 00;23;13;02 - 00;23;14;03 Mark Or something like. 00;23;14;03 - 00;23;16;02 Mark That. But Crabtree. 00;23;16;02 - 00;23;18;27 Sarah Chooses to do his Bracken Reed impersonation. 00;23;18;27 - 00;23;19;22 Mark Instead, which. 00;23;19;22 - 00;23;24;15 Mark Is the whole reason why the Perkins thing is there. It's actually nice. 00;23;24;20 - 00;23;27;15 Mark And do you think that's what Perkins was doing? 00;23;27;23 - 00;23;28;23 Sarah That's when he got in trouble. 00;23;28;23 - 00;23;29;08 Mark So you. 00;23;29;14 - 00;23;38;07 Mark Know. No, I think I think it's a payoff of a joke in the middle of an episode instead of at the end, which I like because. 00;23;38;07 - 00;23;42;06 Sarah Because Crabtree is repeating some of the things that he heard Bracken Reed say. 00;23;42;17 - 00;23;47;08 Mark Like I have you on doorknob rattling duty. If I didn't think they'd outsmart you. 00;23;47;16 - 00;23;53;05 Mark It was just a fantastic insult. But then Crabtree gets a little too comfortable. 00;23;53;05 - 00;23;56;25 Sarah He runs out of material, so he just starts making fun of his accent. 00;23;57;13 - 00;24;01;24 Mark He make fun. I'm from Sheffield. I can't say my hands. Bloody l bloody. 00;24;01;25 - 00;24;04;14 Sarah And he wouldn't be saying bloody hell in church. 00;24;04;22 - 00;24;06;01 Mark No, I hope not. 00;24;06;18 - 00;24;09;23 Sarah Especially not loud enough for everybody now birds. 00;24;09;26 - 00;24;12;09 Mark It's a fantastic George Crabtree performance. 00;24;12;22 - 00;24;14;19 Mark I can't pronounce my bloody l. 00;24;15;15 - 00;24;17;16 Sarah And then the minister has to admit. 00;24;17;17 - 00;24;18;07 Mark Yes, that. 00;24;18;14 - 00;24;19;16 Mark He knew. 00;24;19;17 - 00;24;34;09 Sarah He heard exactly what the argument was about and knew that Wendell was gay and had had counseled him about it in the past, thereby making himself suspicious because maybe he was Wendell's lover, not Lawrence. 00;24;34;09 - 00;24;35;21 Mark Yes, Well, okay. 00;24;35;22 - 00;24;38;00 Sarah Because there's only three men in Toronto who. 00;24;38;00 - 00;24;41;17 Mark Puts the who puts the reverend in the frame. Eunice. 00;24;41;17 - 00;24;42;02 Sarah Yeah. 00;24;42;07 - 00;24;44;02 Mark So she's clearly lying. 00;24;44;16 - 00;24;55;23 Sarah Yeah. Once you know that Eunice is is the killer basically sort of killer, you go back and you see how she's laying the foundation to put the suspicion. So there are people. 00;24;55;23 - 00;25;01;15 Mark I don't I think the Reverend is understanding. I don't know if he's gay. 00;25;01;16 - 00;25;05;00 Sarah Because Eunice claims that she saw the Reverend and Wendell kissing. 00;25;05;02 - 00;25;07;09 Mark Yes. Which is pretty clear. 00;25;07;18 - 00;25;10;01 Mark Like would you not. Okay. At this time. 00;25;10;01 - 00;25;10;23 Mark Wouldn't you go. 00;25;10;23 - 00;25;11;16 Mark As a what's. 00;25;11;16 - 00;25;13;01 Mark Going on? Yeah. 00;25;13;06 - 00;25;19;22 Sarah You wouldn't just slip away in your wedding dress and wait for him like, I guess we'll just get married anyway. 00;25;19;24 - 00;25;20;26 Mark Wait, what? 00;25;21;10 - 00;25;27;10 Sarah That means going to marry you like he's going to perform your wedding, and he was just kissing your husband. I think you'd say something. 00;25;27;10 - 00;25;32;27 Mark So then the priest says he was kissing him in a friendly manner. I'm like, We. 00;25;33;07 - 00;25;33;15 Mark Got. 00;25;34;04 - 00;25;39;02 Mark It if we take it because he appears to be lying when he says that. 00;25;39;07 - 00;25;40;03 Sarah But it's not. 00;25;40;07 - 00;25;46;08 Mark He's not. Lawrence was ready to get it on with everybody. 00;25;46;08 - 00;26;03;17 Sarah No, I think I don't know about the reverend, but I don't think they were kissing. I think. I don't think so. I think he hugged Wendell. Yeah. And I don't even think he gave him a kiss on the cheek. I just don't think he knows whether he did or not. But he probably didn't. I think Eunice is a complete and utter liar. 00;26;03;18 - 00;26;03;29 Sarah Yes. 00;26;04;13 - 00;26;15;27 Mark Obviously, if only there was a way that we could get Murdoch's thoughts in an interior monologue about this. That wasn't an interior monologue. Oh, wait, he's Catholic confession. 00;26;16;04 - 00;26;16;19 Mark Yes. 00;26;16;19 - 00;26;19;12 Sarah So we can hear what struggles he's having in his head. 00;26;19;12 - 00;26;27;14 Mark Yes, it is a trope of many, many, many shows. I was just offering. Saw him solace with my lips. 00;26;28;21 - 00;26;36;15 Sarah Well, he says that the reverend says that Wendell was going to cancel the wedding. Yeah, right. So he was having a major crisis. 00;26;36;22 - 00;26;46;07 Mark Which doesn't make sense in this structure and social time. It Murdoch's right later on that this is almost a perfect situation. 00;26;46;09 - 00;26;52;00 Sarah Yeah like if he had gone ahead and married Eunice, he and Lawrence could have still had their thing. 00;26;52;00 - 00;26;57;04 Mark I think he found out about either Eunice and his brother or Eunice. 00;26;57;04 - 00;27;07;22 Sarah Yeah, maybe because, see, I don't know, maybe Eunice says that she saw them kissing as a way to excuse just in case somebody saw her in that room. 00;27;07;22 - 00;27;08;21 Mark I think so. 00;27;08;26 - 00;27;11;04 Sarah Go. Go to the room where Wendell lives. 00;27;11;29 - 00;27;22;19 Mark It's right at the front of the church, and there's not many people know. No, Murdock is the murder map, but it doesn't really do a good job of checking people and where they are. 00;27;22;22 - 00;27;33;17 Sarah No, because in the in the murder map, wouldn't. Wouldn't you have to. To go from the reverend's office to the meeting room? Wouldn't you have to walk across the altar? Yes. Or maybe behind it. Maybe you can walk behind it. 00;27;33;18 - 00;27;36;03 Mark Maybe a special altar secret door. 00;27;36;05 - 00;27;42;07 Sarah It would make sense that there was a path behind it. Yeah, right. So people could come out from both sides back there. 00;27;43;16 - 00;27;43;28 Mark But wouldn't. 00;27;44;09 - 00;27;47;00 Sarah Yeah, because her room should be at the at the front of the church. 00;27;47;06 - 00;27;48;11 Mark Her rooms at the front of. 00;27;48;11 - 00;27;57;21 Sarah The well I'm sorry at the back of the church. It should be near the door. Yes. Right. Because she's got to walk from there. Yeah. And he should be in a room up near the altar. Yes. So that makes sense. 00;27;57;24 - 00;27;58;07 Mark Yeah. 00;27;59;00 - 00;28;01;21 Sarah The boy. 00;28;01;21 - 00;28;01;25 Mark Well. 00;28;02;02 - 00;28;05;18 Mark We decided as much about this episode as the person who drew that murder. 00;28;05;18 - 00;28;06;20 Mark Now, Well. 00;28;06;20 - 00;28;20;13 Sarah If they're going to find out if Lawrence is, they think that Lawrence was not Wendell's lover and the reverend wasn't, then who was? And the only way they're going to find out is for Murdock to insinuate himself in gay culture in Toronto. 00;28;20;13 - 00;28;31;28 Mark Yes, they have their own societies down at Cherry Beach now. Okay. Cherry Beach is a quite well known area of ill repute. 00;28;31;28 - 00;28;33;06 Mark Yeah, okay. 00;28;33;06 - 00;28;34;25 Sarah My general ill repute. 00;28;34;25 - 00;28;37;24 Mark Specifically gay but jock era. 00;28;37;29 - 00;28;42;06 Sarah And was. And they're saying that it was way back then, too. Yes. Okay. 00;28;42;11 - 00;28;46;14 Mark Though it's a very nice area now. 00;28;46;14 - 00;28;50;05 Sarah Yeah. Because Murdock says, was he going to go down and beat the bushes or something. 00;28;50;05 - 00;28;50;27 Mark Well, it was. 00;28;50;29 - 00;28;51;14 Mark It's like a hook. 00;28;51;14 - 00;29;13;09 Mark It's well known as a hookup spot. It's also well known as a place in which police had sort of fascistic rule down there. There's a song by a band in Canada called Pukka Orchestra called Cherry Beach Express about go and get picked up by the cops and basically be in the crap beat out. 00;29;13;09 - 00;29;14;28 Mark Of you because they're paddy wagons. 00;29;14;28 - 00;29;21;10 Mark They nightsticks swinging in Cherry Beach. Wow. I remember the first time I went to Cherry Beach. I was like, Indonesia. 00;29;21;16 - 00;29;23;05 Mark Yeah. What are they talking about? 00;29;23;05 - 00;29;29;17 Sarah What's going on? Yeah, I think you're probably there at the wrong time of day. Probably, unless you were there late at night, creeping around in the bushes and I. 00;29;29;17 - 00;29;30;09 Mark Don't know about it. 00;29;30;12 - 00;29;33;16 Mark Well, they also have literary appreciations, so. 00;29;33;29 - 00;29;42;13 Sarah Yeah, it's like in the Terry Pratchett Discworld books, the brothels are called They're there, they're not prostitutes, they're seamstresses. 00;29;42;15 - 00;29;43;00 Mark Oh. 00;29;43;11 - 00;29;47;19 Sarah But they hardly ever use any fabric or thread. But that's what they are. They're seamstresses, right? 00;29;47;19 - 00;29;48;08 Mark They do. 00;29;48;09 - 00;29;51;01 Sarah Yeah. So you have to have your little covers for things. 00;29;51;12 - 00;29;54;08 Mark And Higgins has a cousin who's a left footer. 00;29;54;08 - 00;29;54;18 Mark Yeah. 00;29;55;04 - 00;30;06;19 Sarah I realize that a lot of this could, could strike people as being extremely homophobic on behalf of the writers of Murdoch rather than as the characters. This scene. 00;30;06;19 - 00;30;11;11 Mark Is to point out the fact that the police had no idea what was really going. 00;30;11;15 - 00;30;35;06 Sarah Nun They didn't know what gay culture was like. They didn't know what these men were actually doing, that what they did when they spent their time together, who they, what they were like, as people know, and they prove that by dressing Murdoch up as some kind of military dandy, Oscar Wilde rejected a weird hat because that's what they think gay men dress like. 00;30;35;06 - 00;30;39;01 Sarah Yeah, wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to arrest them if they all looked like that? 00;30;39;01 - 00;30;43;23 Mark It would in fact be Now, where do you think they got the accouterments? 00;30;43;23 - 00;31;04;23 Sarah That's a good question, because in the snap of a finger, Murdoch is dressed up. Yes, right. There's no shopping montage, no. So either somebody already had these clothes in their own wardrobe and brought them in, which would be suspicious. Right. Or they've got a dress up closet. 00;31;04;27 - 00;31;21;06 Mark They don't have a dress up. Cross it. I know exactly what they have. What they have. Mr. Dress Up, a Canadian children's performer who was influenced by Fred Rogers immensely. He had a trunk that was full of dress up items in which he called his tickle trunk. 00;31;21;11 - 00;31;24;04 Mark Oh, wow. 00;31;24;04 - 00;31;25;17 Sarah That's troublesome. 00;31;26;18 - 00;31;27;03 Mark What was in. 00;31;27;03 - 00;31;31;12 Sarah The tickle trunk besides this outfit? Oh, we know they didn't have a white dress. 00;31;31;12 - 00;31;36;00 Mark Station for tickle trunk. 00;31;36;00 - 00;31;39;00 Sarah The white dress is in there now with the UN spatters. 00;31;39;00 - 00;31;42;07 Mark The blood splattered white dress and the shirt from the pig. 00;31;42;07 - 00;31;44;24 Sarah Right. The pigs t shirt. Yeah, that would be in there. 00;31;44;24 - 00;31;47;14 Mark Black and Reid's hat from the last episode? 00;31;47;14 - 00;31;51;18 Sarah Yeah. What else would they have in there? They probably have at least one nun costume. 00;31;51;25 - 00;31;53;29 Mark In costume, in old lady costumes. 00;31;54;00 - 00;31;57;21 Sarah Oh, yeah. They've got to dress up as old ladies sometimes, you know, to catch. 00;31;57;21 - 00;31;58;03 Mark People. 00;31;58;03 - 00;31;59;09 Mark Yeah, absolutely. 00;31;59;09 - 00;32;02;04 Sarah What else would they have? Maybe like a. 00;32;02;06 - 00;32;06;21 Mark Bigfoot? Yeah, like a Sasquatch crotch. 00;32;06;21 - 00;32;12;22 Mark That's what Perkins did wrong. You didn't put the Bigfoot costume back in the back of trailer. 00;32;12;22 - 00;32;16;00 Mark You didn't clean the Sasquatch costume. 00;32;16;00 - 00;32;20;08 Mark Perkins, you're in charge of the tickle trunk. You got to take better care of the tickle trunk. 00;32;20;13 - 00;32;22;22 Mark It just don't fart. 00;32;22;22 - 00;32;24;08 Mark It's unacceptable. 00;32;24;26 - 00;32;26;09 Sarah Perkins The concept of the tickle. 00;32;26;09 - 00;32;36;17 Mark Trunk, where do you think they keep? They got to keep it upstairs. They keep it by the chicken in the drag show. 00;32;36;17 - 00;32;38;08 Mark That's. Sleep it. Sorry. Sorry. 00;32;38;08 - 00;32;38;29 Mark Different sex. 00;32;38;29 - 00;32;40;00 Mark Friendly giant. 00;32;40;00 - 00;32;56;02 Sarah I know there's all these scenes, especially with and Reid and Murdock walking down the stairs and in station four they walk down the stairs and Murdock's office is right there. And then the common areas there in back, and Reid's office is over to the side. Right. What is upstairs? 00;32;57;01 - 00;32;59;00 Mark Apparently, the tickled star. 00;33;00;11 - 00;33;01;03 Mark I mean, I. 00;33;01;09 - 00;33;05;16 Sarah Guess maybe the interrogation room is upstairs. Maybe, but I doubt it. 00;33;05;16 - 00;33;05;25 Mark I don't. 00;33;05;25 - 00;33;10;12 Sarah Think. I don't think so. Yeah. So that must be where they keep it. 00;33;10;18 - 00;33;19;29 Mark Here's a completely Canadian specific joke that maybe Perkins's first name is crazy, but for people who are from Canada, forget that. 00;33;20;15 - 00;33;22;11 Sarah Okay, I'll take your word on that. 00;33;22;11 - 00;33;27;03 Mark Mr. Dress up. I met him. Very nice guy. Absolutely fantastic individual. 00;33;27;03 - 00;33;40;09 Sarah So not only does he have on the jacket with the frogs on the front. Yes. Right. That's what you call those closures, by the way. Yes. You know, frogs. Frogs in a velvet collar. Yes. And the hat, the feather is too much. 00;33;40;09 - 00;33;41;21 Mark It is. It is. 00;33;41;21 - 00;33;45;14 Sarah It's too much. Yeah. And the and the flower on his lapel. 00;33;45;14 - 00;33;51;02 Mark Well, if they're going to have stereotypical costumes in the cultural, they probably should have like an Indian outfit. 00;33;51;10 - 00;33;52;14 Mark Like with a headdress. 00;33;52;14 - 00;33;53;20 Mark And American outfit. 00;33;53;20 - 00;33;53;29 Mark Yeah. 00;33;54;07 - 00;33;58;02 Sarah This is. And the cowboy outfit. Right? Yes, the American Cossacks. 00;33;58;03 - 00;34;00;17 Mark The American costume is a cowboy cowboy outfit. 00;34;00;24 - 00;34;01;15 Mark Yee ha! 00;34;01;15 - 00;34;04;18 Sarah But did you notice Murdock's footwear? 00;34;04;20 - 00;34;06;26 Mark No. What does he have on his. 00;34;07;03 - 00;34;15;17 Sarah We only get a tiny glimpse of it. Okay? Because when he's sitting with Jeffrey at the tennis club, Jeffrey puts his hand on Murdock's knee. 00;34;15;17 - 00;34;16;16 Mark Yes, he does. 00;34;16;19 - 00;34;26;16 Sarah There's a hint for you. We can see his footwear from his knee because he is wearing knee high black leather boots. That lace up the front. 00;34;26;18 - 00;34;26;27 Mark Oh. 00;34;27;13 - 00;34;32;02 Mark So he goes to the tennis club and he sticks out like a sore thumb. 00;34;32;02 - 00;34;33;00 Sarah Oh, my gosh. 00;34;33;03 - 00;34;33;24 Mark They surprised. 00;34;33;24 - 00;34;35;17 Sarah They don't just turn and laugh at him. 00;34;35;17 - 00;34;43;14 Mark They do such a good job of making the gay culture appear normal and accepting and welcoming. 00;34;43;14 - 00;34;45;21 Sarah Welcome. Though in reality, they would be like. 00;34;45;27 - 00;34;49;12 Mark You get out of here. Yeah, dude, they would, because. 00;34;49;12 - 00;34;54;22 Sarah You are completely unacceptable and you are going to give us away. Yeah, and that is dangerous. 00;34;54;22 - 00;34;55;11 Mark I'm George. 00;34;55;11 - 00;34;56;26 Mark So, Oscar Wilde. 00;34;56;26 - 00;34;57;25 Sarah Get out of here. 00;34;57;29 - 00;35;00;28 Mark George. Montreal. George. 00;35;00;28 - 00;35;05;12 Sarah His name wouldn't have a Quebec accent if he was from Montreal necessarily. 00;35;05;12 - 00;35;06;28 Mark There's an English area in Quebec. 00;35;07;04 - 00;35;08;19 Sarah Okay? He drinks wine. 00;35;08;26 - 00;35;10;09 Mark He does eat. 00;35;10;28 - 00;35;12;07 Mark Myrtle Murdoch later, drinks. 00;35;12;14 - 00;35;22;01 Mark Later on. Barack and Reid offers him a drink and goes, Of course not. Meanwhile, Murdock's at the gay tennis club down in Marlow. 00;35;22;01 - 00;35;27;20 Sarah Now he takes one drink and you know why? It's not an anachronism for his character. Why Communion? 00;35;27;22 - 00;35;29;11 Mark Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00;35;29;12 - 00;35;34;13 Sarah Right. So he. I think he'd be okay with a sip of red wine, but that's it. 00;35;34;13 - 00;35;35;04 Mark Maybe. 00;35;35;04 - 00;35;39;07 Sarah And that's all he does. I thought he was going to pretend to drink it. He drinks. 00;35;39;07 - 00;35;40;10 Mark It? No, he does. 00;35;40;11 - 00;35;41;10 Sarah He takes a log of it. 00;35;41;19 - 00;35;44;18 Mark And then totally screws over. 00;35;44;22 - 00;35;45;18 Sarah Poor Jeffrey. 00;35;45;21 - 00;35;46;09 Mark Jeffrey. 00;35;46;14 - 00;35;47;22 Mark Yeah. They. 00;35;48;02 - 00;35;52;00 Sarah He lures them away. He was very welcoming and kind to him. 00;35;52;00 - 00;35;52;23 Mark He was. 00;35;52;27 - 00;36;01;07 Sarah And they take him to the station. I don't like that Murdoch likes Bratton read roughing up. I think he should have stopped him. 00;36;01;12 - 00;36;10;02 Mark I think this is I hope this is the last time Bracken Reed roughs up a gay guy for being gay because he feels shame at the end of it. 00;36;10;04 - 00;36;14;17 Sarah Yeah. Yeah, I think he does. So then they go to Lawrence's house and. 00;36;14;17 - 00;36;18;02 Mark Oh, wait. Jeffrey says the reverend is also gay. 00;36;18;02 - 00;36;18;16 Mark Yes. 00;36;18;21 - 00;36;22;03 Mark So there's there's cross triangulation. 00;36;22;04 - 00;36;30;12 Sarah There's a community there. Yeah, right. But he says that Lawrence was Wendell's lover. Yes, Right. So they go back to Lawrence's house. 00;36;30;18 - 00;36;33;20 Mark What is up with the top of Lourdes? His house? 00;36;33;27 - 00;36;34;27 Sarah I do not know. 00;36;34;28 - 00;36;40;02 Mark Okay. Lawrence is dead. He killed himself. It's sad. It's upsetting. We're not here to talk about suicide. 00;36;40;02 - 00;36;40;11 Sarah No. 00;36;40;20 - 00;36;40;25 Mark Okay. 00;36;40;29 - 00;36;42;01 Sarah We're here to talk about. 00;36;42;01 - 00;36;43;04 Mark The battle walls. 00;36;43;06 - 00;36;44;07 Mark In that bedroom. 00;36;44;11 - 00;36;45;18 Mark What is up with that? 00;36;45;19 - 00;36;46;10 Mark Oh, my. 00;36;46;10 - 00;37;11;03 Sarah God. Down stairs of their house on the outside look completely respectable and period with the time. And I'm like, I'm an upper middle class family, But their bedroom is from, like, Anne Boleyn's bedroom or something. It is. It's gotten way too much like Tudor area era woodwork. Yeah, on the ceiling. And the walls look like they're made out of unfinished drywall. 00;37;11;06 - 00;37;14;24 Mark It looks like unfinished. Finished attic. 00;37;14;24 - 00;37;17;10 Sarah It's a garret. Yeah, it's a garret room. 00;37;17;10 - 00;37;19;22 Mark But there are pictures on the walls. 00;37;19;22 - 00;37;20;05 Mark Yeah. 00;37;20;16 - 00;37;23;28 Mark And beefcake pictures in the desk. 00;37;23;28 - 00;37;29;08 Sarah But there's also, like, a shelf around the top. It's got, like, old knickknacks and dusty junk. 00;37;29;18 - 00;37;31;14 Mark It's a very weird room. 00;37;31;27 - 00;37;42;20 Sarah It. And you know, I mean, I assumed that this was he into SEAL's bedroom, but maybe it's not. Yeah, maybe it's his, like, upstairs office spare room. 00;37;43;01 - 00;37;46;00 Mark In the room like that where he plays sodomy in. 00;37;46;00 - 00;37;48;05 Mark Chess. No. 00;37;48;16 - 00;37;50;12 Sarah That's. That's not the man. 00;37;50;12 - 00;37;51;17 Mark That's the parlor. 00;37;51;17 - 00;37;52;25 Sarah This is the man room. 00;37;52;26 - 00;37;54;24 Mark The man room. Like the man picture. 00;37;54;24 - 00;38;02;16 Sarah Like the box room. Okay. Right. Yeah. So this isn't their bedroom? No, it is in the attic. That would explain everything. 00;38;02;16 - 00;38;03;29 Mark And this is where. 00;38;03;29 - 00;38;06;05 Sarah There's a milk canned next to the bed. Yeah. 00;38;06;29 - 00;38;11;12 Mark Why would you tell me? They might have had bedpans back then. 00;38;11;12 - 00;38;17;12 Sarah Maybe. Maybe, but no, certainly not a milk. How much do you pee in the night that. 00;38;17;12 - 00;38;23;11 Mark You need a milk can next to your bed? That's a lot. Wow. You know, a. 00;38;23;11 - 00;38;26;18 Sarah Bedpan just doesn't do it. I need a milk and just really. 00;38;26;18 - 00;38;27;15 Mark Just get up and go. 00;38;27;15 - 00;38;32;25 Mark That sounds like five gallons. That's a lot of pee. Wow. 00;38;32;25 - 00;38;37;05 Mark Plus right by the bed. 00;38;37;05 - 00;38;37;18 Mark Well, it. 00;38;37;18 - 00;38;41;16 Sarah Is a garret, attic, bedroom. That's where we put Uncle pee. When he. 00;38;41;16 - 00;38;43;20 Mark Visits, we make him stay. 00;38;43;20 - 00;38;43;27 Sarah In the. 00;38;43;27 - 00;38;52;22 Mark Box. Feet peed, baby, baby peed. So that's. 00;38;52;22 - 00;38;55;03 Sarah What that guy in the church is Got those honorifics. 00;38;55;03 - 00;38;57;15 Mark For you can be five gallon circular. 00;38;57;18 - 00;39;01;13 Mark Garage with all her brand new notion. 00;39;01;25 - 00;39;03;28 Sarah Yeah she's a modern woman. 00;39;04;01 - 00;39;15;21 Mark This is what I was talking about I think we talked about in the last episode but certainly where we see this show going, Murdoch is confronted with the reality in the world. Yes, there are gay people. 00;39;15;21 - 00;39;16;06 Mark Yes. 00;39;16;16 - 00;39;21;16 Mark That challenges some moralistic truth that he has clung to until this point. 00;39;21;16 - 00;39;22;00 Sarah Yes. 00;39;23;03 - 00;39;28;16 Mark He goes to seek solace from Julia, who goes, what are you talking about, you old fuddy duddy. 00;39;28;18 - 00;39;30;27 Sarah You're stupid and snap out of it. 00;39;31;04 - 00;39;38;10 Mark So combined with the reality of there are gay people and the fact that the girl that he loves is like her. 00;39;38;24 - 00;39;40;07 Sarah You need to get over yourself, you. 00;39;40;07 - 00;39;46;01 Mark Need to get over yourself. He that institutes and creates change in young William Murdoch. 00;39;46;01 - 00;39;48;10 Sarah Yes he has to grow. 00;39;48;13 - 00;39;48;29 Mark Yes. 00;39;49;05 - 00;39;53;29 Sarah And adapt. But he doesn't have to get rid of that creepy face mask on the wall of his office. 00;39;53;29 - 00;39;59;08 Mark What is that phrase? I don't know. Oh, I looked and looked and. 00;39;59;08 - 00;40;07;01 Sarah Looked at it and I thought, is it a theater mask? I guess. Is it a mike? You know, the happy, sad masks? Yeah, the drama masks. No. 00;40;07;04 - 00;40;09;18 Mark And there's a drama episode up. But it's not. 00;40;09;18 - 00;40;21;20 Sarah Not that. No. And it's not a Janus mask. It doesn't look like it's not classical. It doesn't have two faces. No, but it does look kind of Greco-Roman where we got a picture of it for the real on the show notes. We'll put it up. 00;40;22;11 - 00;40;41;09 Mark But I love the writers do such a good job here of presenting multiple sides to the argument in a way that isn't. We totally fall on this side of the argument, right? Like the Murdoch brings up points that not ignorant or. 00;40;41;09 - 00;40;42;28 Sarah Oh no, no, are. 00;40;43;18 - 00;40;45;03 Mark Like homophobic. 00;40;45;04 - 00;40;46;07 Sarah They're not hateful. 00;40;46;14 - 00;40;47;05 Mark They're not. 00;40;47;07 - 00;40;47;28 Sarah They're completely. 00;40;47;28 - 00;40;48;15 Mark Based. 00;40;48;15 - 00;40;52;03 Mark Their moral quandary because of the. 00;40;52;05 - 00;40;53;22 Sarah The rules of his face. Yeah. 00;40;53;22 - 00;40;54;25 Mark The rules of his faith. 00;40;54;25 - 00;41;01;11 Sarah Was he's which he's been taught are true. Yeah. Right. And they don't bend just because you want to bend them. 00;41;01;17 - 00;41;02;00 Mark Yes. 00;41;02;08 - 00;41;17;04 Sarah And that's he has to confront that right. Yeah. So Daisy knew Wendell a long, long time. Yeah. Right. She's known Wendell Thomas a long, long time. The brothers Thomas introduces Daisy to Eunice at the Strawberry Social at church? 00;41;17;04 - 00;41;27;21 Mark Yes. Now, going back to Midsomer Murders, I sometimes forget how the episodes end. And I also forgot how this episode end. Yeah. So at this point in time, I'm like, it's dating the murder. 00;41;29;00 - 00;41;29;28 Mark Did Daisy kill him. 00;41;29;28 - 00;41;35;11 Sarah Because she wanted to burn cells like she introduced? 00;41;35;11 - 00;41;37;00 Mark She loves him because. 00;41;37;02 - 00;41;49;06 Sarah She introduced Eunice to Wendell, but she really loved Wendell. Is that what you're thinking? Yeah, because. Because nowhere in the universe does Daisy have any romantic interest. Like, why doesn't she marry Wendell? 00;41;49;06 - 00;41;50;03 Mark I don't know. 00;41;50;06 - 00;41;52;26 Sarah If she's known him. Why doesn't she marry Thomas? 00;41;52;26 - 00;41;54;01 Mark I do not know. 00;41;54;05 - 00;41;56;01 Sarah They don't mention that she's married. 00;41;56;02 - 00;41;56;15 Mark No. 00;41;56;15 - 00;42;07;15 Sarah Right. So, yeah, I can see why you would wonder that. So when Daisy meets Eunice, she goes, Oh, you're perfect for Wendell, right? Because Thomas has coached her. 00;42;07;16 - 00;42;07;29 Mark Yes. 00;42;08;10 - 00;42;12;10 Sarah To how to present herself as the perfect wife for Wendell? 00;42;12;10 - 00;42;18;17 Mark Yes. Because apparently Wendell and Lawrence and Eunice were an item before this. 00;42;18;19 - 00;42;19;15 Sarah You mean Thomas? 00;42;19;15 - 00;42;19;29 Mark Thomas. 00;42;20;03 - 00;42;32;08 Sarah Thomas and Eunice? Yes. Thomas and Eunice. And now Murdock has got to get on a train and go to Niagara to find out about you and his coach and coach, which means he's sitting on a wooden bench for how long? 00;42;32;20 - 00;42;33;22 Mark Two and a half hours. 00;42;33;28 - 00;42;36;10 Sarah That's a long time on a wooden Bendel. 00;42;36;21 - 00;42;38;03 Mark Trains went 50 miles. 00;42;38;23 - 00;42;40;04 Mark But that's true. 00;42;40;19 - 00;42;42;06 Mark Ride your bike. You get there quicker. 00;42;42;08 - 00;42;51;13 Sarah At least they were close. Talked by then. Yeah. You know, 30 or 40 years earlier in England they were open topped goods, trains. You just sat there and got bugs in your teeth. 00;42;51;14 - 00;42;52;04 Mark The train. 00;42;52;04 - 00;42;52;26 Mark Because you paid. 00;42;53;00 - 00;42;56;27 Sarah Cheap prices. You sat in somebody's lap for 3 hours. 00;42;56;27 - 00;43;00;06 Mark Insert shot of the falls. Yes. 00;43;00;06 - 00;43;01;23 Sarah Because it snag. 00;43;02;01 - 00;43;03;23 Mark Because now we're in Niagara. 00;43;03;24 - 00;43;06;03 Sarah Yes. Has several A's in it. I learned. 00;43;06;03 - 00;43;10;04 Mark Earlier that three days in that Guyra. 00;43;10;13 - 00;43;16;02 Sarah Mrs. Schreyer, who was Eunice's former employer, has the worst best hat. 00;43;16;04 - 00;43;17;23 Mark Oh, it's horrible. 00;43;17;24 - 00;43;22;15 Sarah It's pretty. And then you look at it, and the more you look at it, the grosser it is. 00;43;22;21 - 00;43;23;19 Mark Yeah, it's. 00;43;23;19 - 00;43;31;09 Sarah Like straw, but like quilted straw and it's all like, bundled up sort of in like brain pattern. 00;43;31;09 - 00;43;34;02 Mark Yeah, it's all smooshed head on. 00;43;34;08 - 00;43;36;04 Sarah It's like a peacock, but not. 00;43;36;09 - 00;43;36;22 Mark Yeah. 00;43;36;25 - 00;43;43;23 Sarah Mrs. Schreyer refers to Eunice in the past tense, and you're like, Huh? And then she's like, You didn't know she died six months ago. 00;43;43;24 - 00;43;46;07 Mark And Murdoch, like, Murdoch does. 00;43;46;21 - 00;43;49;01 Sarah Know Murdoch gets a big lightbulb above his head. 00;43;49;05 - 00;43;55;26 Mark To being like, Ha ha, he's got the scent. Yeah, let the dog see the rabbit, as Griffin Reid would say. Yeah. 00;43;56;03 - 00;44;04;06 Sarah And we learn that Eunice and Bridget. Yes. Were together when Eunice died. 00;44;04;10 - 00;44;05;22 Mark Hmm. 00;44;06;04 - 00;44;12;24 Mark Now, at this point in time, I thought maybe Eunice went to visit Laurence and killed him. 00;44;13;09 - 00;44;19;14 Sarah Hmm. Well, hold on to that thought. Yeah, because we need to talk about the real Eunice death. 00;44;19;19 - 00;44;20;22 Mark Yes. Okay. 00;44;21;02 - 00;44;40;09 Sarah Because Eunice and Bridget both worked for Mrs. Shier, right? Yeah. So Eunice and the real Eunice and Bridget both worked for Mrs. Shriver. Yeah, right. And they go to Niagara Falls together. Yeah. And Eunice dies, which she commits suicide with Bridget next to her. 00;44;40;09 - 00;44;51;09 Mark Why? If you. If you've never been to Niagara Falls, you might think, how is that even possible? First of all, it would be incredibly easy to. 00;44;51;09 - 00;44;51;20 Mark Do. 00;44;51;22 - 00;44;52;28 Sarah Especially back then. 00;44;53;03 - 00;44;58;21 Mark Even back then, there there isn't a lot of huge amount of protection. 00;44;59;03 - 00;45;13;24 Sarah I mean, there's rails and stuff, right? Yeah, but they're not like insurmountable if you want to go over them. Hence why there were so many people going over Niagara Falls and barrels and all kinds of stuff back then, there wasn't a whole lot to stop you now. You weren't going to accidentally fall in. 00;45;13;24 - 00;45;19;27 Mark Like, like most things in Canada, you go up the river like a mile and it's just open to the road. 00;45;20;18 - 00;45;21;13 Mark Right? Yeah. 00;45;21;22 - 00;45;39;25 Sarah So they're on the Canadian side of the falls, right? And how does that happen, though? Like, are they standing at the rail next to each other? And and Bridget says to Eunice, like, Hey, look down there. No, you got to bend over more, more, more, and then just grabs your petticoat and tips her over. I think she was suicidal. 00;45;39;25 - 00;45;40;08 Mark Yep. 00;45;40;24 - 00;45;42;15 Mark No one no saw either. 00;45;42;15 - 00;45;43;25 Mark Yeah. Or Oh. 00;45;43;25 - 00;45;46;28 Sarah I drop my handkerchief. Can you reach it? Reach a little further. 00;45;47;00 - 00;45;49;04 Mark Reach a little further. I went. 00;45;49;04 - 00;45;49;15 Sarah Over. 00;45;49;16 - 00;46;01;01 Mark Probably because whenever any Canadian mentions the falls, they always mention how bad the American version of the falls is. So they were probably like. Isn't that horrible over there. Those Americans. 00;46;01;04 - 00;46;01;28 Sarah Can you see it? 00;46;02;04 - 00;46;03;13 Mark Can you see it bend over? 00;46;03;18 - 00;46;14;23 Sarah You have to you have to like lean over a little bit more and then you can really see. Yeah, or maybe they were out on the Maid of the mist. They were out on that boat that goes to the bottom of the falls and she shoved her. 00;46;15;09 - 00;46;21;15 Mark I did. What condition the boat would be left in dead. 00;46;21;15 - 00;46;22;13 Mark It would be like. 00;46;22;29 - 00;46;24;19 Sarah Logs strapped together. 00;46;24;19 - 00;46;26;26 Mark You know, and you just have to hold on real tight. 00;46;27;11 - 00;46;28;22 Sarah They wouldn't even give you a poncho. 00;46;28;22 - 00;46;30;07 Mark Never got on the maid of mess. 00;46;30;08 - 00;46;30;23 Sarah Oh, really? 00;46;30;23 - 00;46;33;02 Mark Nope. Never gone in the Maid in the Mist. 00;46;33;11 - 00;46;43;19 Sarah I haven't either. But everybody else I know who's been to Niagara Falls did it. You and I didn't. The one time we were there together. And actually, like, visited. Not she drove through. It was way. 00;46;43;19 - 00;46;44;29 Mark Too cold to. 00;46;44;29 - 00;46;46;00 Sarah Consider doing. 00;46;46;00 - 00;46;46;05 Mark That. 00;46;46;05 - 00;47;01;06 Sarah Definitely there was ice. Yeah. There's no way we would have done it, but it looks like it would be fine if or to even like at least go down to that platform at the base. Yeah. There are episodes later in Murdoc that we may or may not cover about people going over and barrels. 00;47;01;16 - 00;47;03;02 Mark A woman gets her barrels stolen. 00;47;03;02 - 00;47;13;03 Sarah Yes. And about other famous things about Niagara Falls. But there's nothing as far as I can remember in a later episode about weddings at Niagara Falls. 00;47;13;11 - 00;47;13;28 Mark No. 00;47;13;28 - 00;47;23;15 Sarah So since this episode is about a wedding and mentions Niagara Falls, I was like, it just occurred to me that I wanted to know why it was known as a place to get married. 00;47;23;16 - 00;47;27;15 Mark Like the Poconos or Reno. It's known as a place to get married. 00;47;27;26 - 00;47;29;00 Sarah Or at least honeymoon. 00;47;29;04 - 00;47;33;02 Mark Now my brother married and went to Niagara Falls. 00;47;33;06 - 00;47;41;14 Sarah It's a beautiful place to go. And it it's it's built as a destination now. Yes, but do you know how that got started? 00;47;41;14 - 00;47;42;06 Mark No, I don't. 00;47;42;11 - 00;47;44;07 Sarah I do. Do you want to know? Yes. 00;47;45;16 - 00;47;47;09 Mark I'm not going as I am. 00;47;47;09 - 00;47;48;00 Mark Maniac. 00;47;48;05 - 00;47;50;13 Mark It's long before this. Okay. 00;47;50;26 - 00;48;09;12 Sarah So in 1801. Okay, so 94 years before this, Murdoch, do you dosha and Joseph Alston? Theodosia was Aaron Burr's daughter, Aaron Burr, who was later vice president of the United States. Yes, they were. They were not poor. 00;48;09;12 - 00;48;10;28 Mark People and involved in the. 00;48;11;06 - 00;48;12;05 Mark Duel. Yes. 00;48;12;06 - 00;48;12;28 Mark Very famous. 00;48;13;02 - 00;48;27;16 Sarah Yes. Yeah. But she was quite the socialite. And when they got married, they took this big wagon trip, their honeymoon. Yeah. North and went to the Falls. And then it was, you know, everybody was talking about, oh, they went to the falls and she's very rich and special. 00;48;27;16 - 00;48;30;07 Mark And there I want to I want to be just like utopia. 00;48;30;18 - 00;48;37;22 Sarah So in 1804, Jerome Bonaparte, who is Napoleon's little brother, Jerome Bonaparte. 00;48;37;22 - 00;48;39;04 Mark Jerome Jerome. 00;48;39;04 - 00;48;43;06 Sarah Because, you know, you name your first kid, Napoleon, and your second one, Jerome. 00;48;43;06 - 00;48;43;28 Mark Jerome. 00;48;44;08 - 00;49;04;15 Sarah It does not work anyway. Jerry Jerry Bonaparte and his bride went there on their honeymoon, and he was a Bonaparte. So that was a really big deal. Yeah. And then it just became like something that people of money did. And then because they were doing that, then services popped up and then hotels popped up and then more people went. 00;49;04;15 - 00;49;09;01 Sarah And now it's a honeymoon spot. Yeah, but it started with Theodosia Burr. 00;49;09;01 - 00;49;12;01 Mark It's really kind of Las Vegas scene now. 00;49;12;02 - 00;49;17;10 Sarah Now? Yeah. Yeah. Which side do you think is more Vegas? See the American or the Canadian side? 00;49;17;10 - 00;49;28;22 Mark Oh, the American side is a hell on earth. It's not. It's not very Vegas, see at all. There's a like a mall of an outlet mall and kind of that's not about it. 00;49;28;25 - 00;49;36;16 Sarah So all the good stuff's on the Canadian something good stuff because I don't really remember which side we were on when we were there. All the good it was where there was like a wax museum. 00;49;36;16 - 00;49;37;02 Mark That's all. 00;49;37;12 - 00;49;41;05 Sarah That was. The Canadian side. Yeah. So that's one cool thing Canadians have. 00;49;41;28 - 00;49;45;08 Mark I, we also I've been tickled drunk. 00;49;45;08 - 00;49;51;02 Mark Yes. I said, Wow. So. 00;49;51;11 - 00;49;52;02 Sarah Bridget, should. 00;49;52;02 - 00;49;52;15 Mark We pull. 00;49;52;15 - 00;49;56;21 Mark Up to the border the next time the border guard will be like, according to this episode? 00;49;56;24 - 00;50;00;16 Sarah Mark, you can come in. Sarah, you got to stay. Sorry. You got to stay home. 00;50;00;16 - 00;50;04;19 Mark Got a mr. Maniac just got sucker punched each other. 00;50;04;19 - 00;50;06;04 Mark We had Sarah written on it. 00;50;06;04 - 00;50;14;28 Sarah And Marker under his uniform. So Bridget goes over the thought. No, I'm sorry. Eunice goes over the falls, and then Bridget takes over her Eunice's idea. 00;50;14;28 - 00;50;16;10 Mark Which is crazy at this. 00;50;16;10 - 00;50;16;29 Sarah Point. Oh, my. 00;50;16;29 - 00;50;18;07 Mark It must have happened all the time. 00;50;18;07 - 00;50;21;13 Mark You just showed up calling yourself whatever you want in person. 00;50;21;13 - 00;50;25;02 Mark Now, there's no photos, like there's no photo IDs or any. 00;50;25;16 - 00;50;43;29 Sarah One of the most famous con con women of this time is a woman who claims to be Andrew Carnegie's illegitimate daughter. And she does it by having some cards printed up that, say basically her name. And Andrew Carnegie's daughter. Yes. And gives them to people. And they believed her. 00;50;45;10 - 00;50;46;06 Mark For the people. 00;50;46;07 - 00;50;46;22 Mark And it wasn't. 00;50;46;22 - 00;50;47;26 Sarah Even her real name. 00;50;47;27 - 00;50;52;09 Mark Yep. For the people who've watched future episodes of Murdoch, we know that this is a plot point. 00;50;52;24 - 00;51;02;21 Sarah Later. Yes. At 40 minutes and 15 seconds, we get another transition with the weird old timey black and white photo of Toronto that's been colorized. 00;51;02;21 - 00;51;09;16 Mark Yes, with the people walking in it, walking weird. They do walk weird. I noticed them right away. 00;51;09;22 - 00;51;15;12 Sarah There were there's like a tiny man and a tiny woman. Yeah. And they're walking on top of a photograph. 00;51;15;16 - 00;51;15;25 Mark Yes. 00;51;15;25 - 00;51;18;15 Sarah Down the sidewalk. And it's like they're hovering. 00;51;18;21 - 00;51;21;23 Mark Yeah. And they move super fast. Did you see the. 00;51;21;23 - 00;51;29;01 Sarah Little guy on the left? Yeah, the little individual guy. Yeah. Yeah. He moves weird to that. And then there's two wagons moving real slow. 00;51;29;06 - 00;51;31;09 Mark Yep, it is. It is. 00;51;31;17 - 00;51;32;25 Mark Why did they do that? 00;51;32;25 - 00;51;33;12 Mark I don't. 00;51;33;12 - 00;51;33;20 Mark Know. 00;51;33;20 - 00;51;37;22 Sarah They have the B-roll of the people on the street. They don't need to use that photograph. 00;51;37;22 - 00;51;41;20 Mark What I don't understand is they went to it again and again. 00;51;41;25 - 00;51;57;18 Sarah Yeah. If. If you didn't notice it when you watched it first favor. Go back to like the 40 minute mark and watch for this little transition and look at the sidewalk on the bottom kind of right quarter of the photo and watch the the hovering people. 00;51;57;18 - 00;52;00;02 Mark Who moved really fast down the sidewalk. 00;52;01;21 - 00;52;04;11 Sarah It's kind of funny. It's kind of Monty Python looking. 00;52;04;14 - 00;52;04;25 Mark Yeah. 00;52;04;25 - 00;52;05;24 Sarah When you really stop. 00;52;05;24 - 00;52;06;20 Mark And look at it. 00;52;06;29 - 00;52;14;27 Mark Now, Murdoch gets the name of the woman in Niagara Falls from Geoffrey. They have a moment where Murdoch. 00;52;15;02 - 00;52;18;15 Sarah Says, sorry, that shouldn't be strong, but we can still fix this for when. 00;52;18;15 - 00;52;19;11 Mark We can fix this. 00;52;19;11 - 00;52;19;29 Mark For Randall. 00;52;20;13 - 00;52;25;07 Mark So we begin to see the beginnings of transformation of Murdoch. 00;52;25;07 - 00;52;29;13 Sarah Yeah, right. Because he sees the Jeffrey as a black eye. 00;52;29;15 - 00;52;31;25 Mark Yeah. And Jeffrey's, like, right up. 00;52;31;25 - 00;52;35;24 Sarah Front, and that's a result of Murdoch turning his back. Yeah, I'm walking away. 00;52;35;25 - 00;52;36;22 Mark Yes, it is. 00;52;36;25 - 00;52;39;21 Sarah Because he could have stopped him. He could stop Barack and he didn't. 00;52;39;25 - 00;52;42;16 Mark Candy girl fix herself up? Well, no, not. 00;52;42;20 - 00;52;46;14 Mark Whoa, whoa, girl. Completely different person. Well, Mark. 00;52;46;14 - 00;52;49;21 Sarah All you have to do is take your glasses off and put on lip gloss, and you're. 00;52;49;21 - 00;52;50;09 Mark Beautiful. 00;52;50;09 - 00;52;51;01 Mark That's what I. 00;52;51;01 - 00;52;58;20 Sarah Do. Nobody will notice that you're pretty if you have glasses on me. She didn't take her hair down and, like, shake it. 00;52;58;26 - 00;53;01;10 Mark Like, Oh, Mrs.. What's your face like. 00;53;01;12 - 00;53;02;07 Mark On Star Trek? 00;53;02;08 - 00;53;05;07 Mark You're a completely different person. Yes. What? 00;53;05;15 - 00;53;12;12 Sarah Oh, gosh. What am I thinking of? It's in a Dobie song. Why? Why? Mrs. What's her face? You're beautiful. 00;53;12;14 - 00;53;12;28 Mark Yes. 00;53;12;28 - 00;53;17;20 Sarah You know what I'm talking about in that Thomas Dobie song. It's because she takes her glasses off and lets her hair down. 00;53;17;20 - 00;53;21;26 Mark Yes, Well, eighties video weren't really the height of metaphor. 00;53;21;27 - 00;53;23;19 Mark I would never recognize you. 00;53;24;09 - 00;53;30;10 Sarah If only we could get away with that. If I could put my hair up and put glasses on like I do every day and nobody would know who I am. 00;53;30;10 - 00;53;32;19 Mark Mrs. Kline is a con artist. 00;53;32;19 - 00;53;36;28 Sarah Yes. She's one in Windsor, London and Cambridge, which are all in Canada. 00;53;36;28 - 00;53;41;09 Mark Which I appreciate. They're all not only all in Canada. 00;53;41;09 - 00;53;44;00 Sarah Which has no original names for places unless they're native. 00;53;44;00 - 00;53;45;09 Mark They're all in the right order. 00;53;45;09 - 00;53;46;20 Sarah They're all English places. 00;53;46;22 - 00;53;52;06 Mark They're all in the right order from south to north towards Niagara Falls and Toronto. 00;53;52;07 - 00;53;56;21 Sarah Okay. So she made her way from Niagara Falls to Toronto, committing crimes along the way. 00;53;56;29 - 00;54;09;27 Mark She made her way from Windsor to London to Cambridge to Niagara Falls to Toronto. Oh, okay. That is the correct order, which means she obviously came from the place further south of Windsor. 00;54;09;29 - 00;54;12;07 Mark You think she's from the United States? 00;54;12;07 - 00;54;13;28 Sarah You think she came over from Detroit? 00;54;14;10 - 00;54;15;09 Mark She's a Detroit. 00;54;15;09 - 00;54;15;22 Mark Girl. 00;54;16;26 - 00;54;34;25 Sarah I'll give you that. Maybe she came from Detroit. So the deal was that Eunice and Thomas had hooked up. Yeah, right. So she was supposed to marry Wendell, and then, oops, he fell over the falls on the honeymoon. So then she could marry Thomas. And together they owned the whole company. 00;54;35;00 - 00;54;39;06 Mark And by the way, we don't want to make it like there are people jumping off the ball. 00;54;39;26 - 00;54;42;13 Sarah Oh, no. They're just accidentally being pushed. 00;54;42;13 - 00;54;45;10 Mark Oops. 00;54;45;10 - 00;54;47;10 Sarah So poor Wendell was going to get it anyway. 00;54;47;10 - 00;54;50;07 Mark Yeah, right. He was. He was bound to get it. 00;54;50;19 - 00;55;05;01 Sarah But Eunice's mistake is she hooked her wagon to an idiot. Yeah, because Thomas is not too smart. He's supposed to kill him after the wedding, not before it. But he gets upset and whacks him with the big stick of glory or whatever it is. 00;55;05;01 - 00;55;06;23 Mark This is what she says? 00;55;06;28 - 00;55;07;17 Mark Yes. 00;55;07;17 - 00;55;15;28 Mark I'm not sure he did anything. I think maybe she did it. And she's blaming him because she thinks that she's killed him with the heroin. 00;55;16;02 - 00;55;25;03 Sarah So when he. But he doesn't die. So you think when he wakes up, he's going to call her out on it? But. But he was in on it. Yes, but he didn't him with the big cross. 00;55;25;09 - 00;55;25;22 Mark No. 00;55;26;01 - 00;55;31;20 Sarah But why would Eunice have done that? That would have been stupid for her to kill Wendell before they got married. I don't. 00;55;31;20 - 00;55;32;03 Mark Know. 00;55;32;07 - 00;55;36;26 Sarah But. But she, she makes Thomas out to be an idiot, and he doesn't contradict that. 00;55;36;27 - 00;55;41;15 Mark There's no immediate inciting incident other than what happens with Thomas. 00;55;41;15 - 00;55;47;16 Sarah He was going to cancel the wedding. Yeah, And he has to get married. Then Thomas, instead of convincing him to get married. 00;55;47;17 - 00;55;48;14 Mark Just beat them to. 00;55;48;14 - 00;55;49;26 Sarah Death. Well, I'm just going to hit you. 00;55;50;01 - 00;55;51;02 Mark That makes no sense. 00;55;51;02 - 00;55;53;01 Sarah Why doesn't Thomas just marry Eunice? 00;55;53;11 - 00;55;57;05 Mark Because they wouldn't get Lawrence as part of the company. No. 00;55;57;05 - 00;55;57;26 Sarah Okay. No. 00;55;58;19 - 00;55;59;11 Mark They wouldn't get it. 00;55;59;13 - 00;56;02;07 Sarah And you keep getting this name mixed up. Wendell is the dead guy. 00;56;02;07 - 00;56;05;10 Mark Yes. Okay. They wouldn't have Windows part of the company. 00;56;05;10 - 00;56;11;00 Sarah Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's true. But they're not going to get it by killing Harrison anyway. 00;56;11;00 - 00;56;14;12 Mark I don't think Wendell was really involved in the business. 00;56;14;12 - 00;56;16;26 Sarah He doesn't want to be. Yeah, he says he doesn't, so he. 00;56;16;26 - 00;56;18;03 Mark Kind of has it already. 00;56;18;03 - 00;56;24;26 Sarah Anyway, I want to do is like, give him an allowance or something. He'll probably stay out of the business anyway. Yeah, because he wants to just go to the tennis club. 00;56;24;26 - 00;56;25;05 Mark Yeah. 00;56;25;11 - 00;56;33;23 Sarah He doesn't want to be running a business because he's got about. Yes. Then Murdock has to admit to Father Connolly that he said nothing about the Reverend. 00;56;34;02 - 00;56;40;09 Mark Yeah, and this is a direct contradiction. To what? Like he's supposed to arrest him right then and there? 00;56;40;09 - 00;56;48;14 Sarah Yeah, but Father Connolly doesn't know. The man of cloth that Murdock is referring to is a Presbyterian reverend. He doesn't. 00;56;48;14 - 00;56;49;22 Mark Know. Yeah, because. 00;56;49;22 - 00;56;52;28 Sarah He just knows he's a man of the cloth. It could have been another priest. 00;56;52;28 - 00;57;03;18 Mark It would have sounded incredibly callous if Father Connolly. Good said. Well, is he Catholic or Protestant? Get my hands like, you. 00;57;04;12 - 00;57;04;23 Mark Know. 00;57;04;23 - 00;57;09;27 Sarah If he's Catholic, cover it up. Maybe as a Protestant, arrest him. He can't say. 00;57;09;27 - 00;57;10;03 Mark That. 00;57;10;03 - 00;57;12;20 Mark Word says I can't follow blindly. 00;57;12;20 - 00;57;14;24 Mark Yeah, that's you. 00;57;14;24 - 00;57;16;16 Sarah That's a big deal. That's Murdock. 00;57;16;22 - 00;57;17;10 Mark Deal. 00;57;17;10 - 00;57;22;29 Sarah That's Murdock changing quite a bit. Yeah, but not as much as he changes with the taco truck. 00;57;22;29 - 00;57;28;20 Mark And Brack and. And Reed has a moment of of thought, too. 00;57;28;29 - 00;57;36;01 Sarah Yeah, Mike, maybe things do need to change, but they haven't changed yet. Yeah. So we have to deal with things the way with the hand that we're dealt. 00;57;36;01 - 00;57;42;29 Mark We have to also admit that this is a little pat on the back of is in things better now than the bad old days. 00;57;42;29 - 00;57;43;13 Mark Yes. 00;57;43;26 - 00;57;44;05 Sarah Right. 00;57;44;19 - 00;57;54;27 Mark Yes. It is wonderful How it is better now we're speaking in Canada. I'm not going to get into the silliness that's happening in the United States. Oh. 00;57;55;10 - 00;57;56;10 Sarah Okay. No, we're not. 00;57;56;19 - 00;58;02;03 Mark But this is a a little bit of Canadian back pat back patting self back patting. 00;58;02;04 - 00;58;04;09 Sarah Yeah. We got better. 00;58;04;20 - 00;58;21;14 Mark For the research for the episode. I was like, oh, research you know when Canadian early Canadian pioneers and early Canadian politicians and was incredibly sad. How much has changed in my lifetime. 00;58;21;14 - 00;58;29;01 Sarah Did you think that gay rights would have progressed more before, in the years before you were born than they did? Are you surprised at how late it happened? 00;58;29;01 - 00;58;31;13 Mark I was surprised how late it happened in Canada. 00;58;31;13 - 00;58;31;22 Mark Yeah. 00;58;32;00 - 00;58;34;05 Sarah And it happened too late everywhere. 00;58;34;05 - 00;58;57;17 Mark It happened too late everywhere. And it's a switch that's like, never again. Am I going to believe, even in America, that things can't change overnight because gay marriage, when I moved where I immigrated in 99, to think that gay marriage would happen in my lifetime in the United States, I didn't think it would happen. And then like five years later. 00;58;57;24 - 00;58;59;26 Sarah Unfortunately, things can switch the other way overnight. 00;58;59;26 - 00;59;12;17 Mark Two things switch still way overnight. Also, unless you're in the rest of the world that has seemed to have intelligence and, you know, compassion and things like that. Yes, we're kind of. 00;59;12;17 - 00;59;14;02 Mark Down on the U.S. today. 00;59;14;07 - 00;59;17;00 Sarah No, no. Just you don't get better. 00;59;17;03 - 00;59;17;17 Mark It'll get. 00;59;17;17 - 00;59;24;27 Sarah Better. But in the meantime, you know, we at least get to think that the characters in the show are more progressive than their time. 00;59;24;27 - 00;59;25;13 Mark Yes. 00;59;25;17 - 00;59;39;25 Sarah Right. And that the average person, if they are the average people, we're more more progressive and compassionate than the society as a whole was. Right. Individuals were more understanding. Yes. Than maybe society was. Yes. But still. 00;59;39;25 - 00;59;40;08 Mark The technology. 00;59;40;10 - 00;59;47;05 Mark And this, like Murdoch from the very beginning, deals with social issues and deals with them in a progressive way. 00;59;47;06 - 01;00;03;06 Sarah Always from the very beginning, very beginning. Yeah, from the very beginning. There's a nod going now. We know they were kind of backward back then, but we're not like that anymore, right? Yeah, right. Okay. And for us to like these characters, they have to be a little bit more like us than they would have been in reality. 01;00;03;07 - 01;00;03;20 Mark Yes. 01;00;04;01 - 01;00;05;00 Sarah For us to like them. 01;00;05;00 - 01;00;05;12 Mark Yes. 01;00;05;18 - 01;00;07;14 Sarah But we have to end this on a high note. 01;00;07;21 - 01;00;10;09 Mark Best corpse. 01;00;10;09 - 01;00;12;28 Sarah Wendell didn't get it because he can't keep his hands still. 01;00;12;29 - 01;00;14;14 Mark No, it's got to be Lawrence. 01;00;14;17 - 01;00;15;12 Mark I don't even know if. 01;00;15;12 - 01;00;16;00 Sarah You can count. 01;00;16;00 - 01;00;19;00 Mark Boris, which is a corpse. And it's got to be. 01;00;19;06 - 01;00;20;09 Sarah He's a pair of pants. 01;00;20;09 - 01;00;21;16 Mark It's got to be Wendell. 01;00;21;17 - 01;00;24;10 Sarah You know what? I'm giving it to the real Eunice. 01;00;24;16 - 01;00;25;03 Mark Oh, okay. 01;00;25;10 - 01;00;28;26 Mark Yeah, because I'm imagining her corpse, and it's. 01;00;28;26 - 01;00;29;20 Sarah Better than those. 01;00;29;21 - 01;00;30;05 Mark Still. 01;00;31;15 - 01;00;39;00 Sarah After the credits for Mrs. Merrick is more pissed off than ever with her son, because now she's got to run the whole damn company. 01;00;39;03 - 01;00;43;13 Mark Whatever business that is, she's running it by herself. She should hire Daisy. 01;00;43;19 - 01;00;44;14 Mark Yeah, Really? 01;00;44;19 - 01;00;55;13 Sarah She is in charge. Yeah, I think Father Frank's is going to be fine. Yeah, I think so. I think Eunice is definitely going to go to jail. Yeah, I think Thomas is probably going to go to jail, too. 01;00;55;14 - 01;00;56;21 Mark I think they're both. 01;00;56;21 - 01;00;58;20 Sarah Going once he wakes up from his heroin. 01;00;58;20 - 01;01;01;22 Mark Overdose. Wow. He's going to go to jail. 01;01;01;23 - 01;01;07;14 Sarah Old Dan is probably old Dan now and his stories lying about where he finds stuff. 01;01;07;14 - 01;01;14;07 Mark And Jeffrey goes on to find a partner that gives him nothing but happiness or a life that gives them nothing but happiness. 01;01;14;07 - 01;01;26;28 Sarah As they point out in the episode, The person I think feel most sorry for is Lawrence Braxton's wife, Cecile. Yeah, because she's now a single mother in an era where single mothers did not fare well. 01;01;26;29 - 01;01;27;25 Mark And unless. 01;01;27;25 - 01;01;28;06 Sarah You were her. 01;01;28;06 - 01;01;31;08 Mark Husband committed suicide. Yeah, everybody would have known that. 01;01;31;08 - 01;01;35;07 Sarah Yeah, unless you were incredibly wealthy. She is in trouble. 01;01;35;07 - 01;01;37;08 Mark She is the subject of whispers. 01;01;37;14 - 01;01;38;25 Sarah And has no money, has. 01;01;38;25 - 01;01;39;02 Mark No. 01;01;39;02 - 01;01;45;29 Sarah Money, no source of income. Unless she's got a family to go back to know she's in the in the worst spot. Yeah. Which is too. 01;01;45;29 - 01;01;47;00 Mark Bad. 01;01;47;00 - 01;01;49;12 Sarah We struggle struggling to end on a high note here. 01;01;49;13 - 01;01;51;14 Mark Horrible movie. I don't have any horrible movie. 01;01;51;14 - 01;01;57;11 Mark I have one for you. But yes, I cannot believe you missed this movie. 01;01;57;11 - 01;01;58;22 Mark Okay, so. 01;01;58;22 - 01;02;03;17 Mark This is a movie that has Lachlan Murdoch in it. So this is. 01;02;04;17 - 01;02;05;02 Sarah Henry. 01;02;05;02 - 01;02;08;00 Mark Henry, I cannot believe you missed this movie. 01;02;08;06 - 01;02;08;29 Mark Okay. 01;02;09;07 - 01;02;16;25 Mark So this is Henry's first acting credit. It received six out of ten on IMDB. 01;02;16;27 - 01;02;20;25 Sarah That's why I didn't do it, because I only do movies that are less than five. 01;02;21;04 - 01;02;21;20 Mark Okay? 01;02;21;21 - 01;02;23;01 Sarah Because that makes them horrible. 01;02;23;02 - 01;02;25;11 Mark Oh, this movie's horrible. 01;02;25;11 - 01;02;26;27 Sarah Apparently not that horrible. 01;02;27;13 - 01;02;27;19 Mark Oh. 01;02;28;11 - 01;02;35;08 Mark This movie, the the. The synopsis is a group of friends cheat their way through high school. 01;02;35;09 - 01;02;35;21 Sarah Okay. 01;02;36;05 - 01;02;39;20 Mark Lachlan Murdoch plays a character named Horny. 01;02;39;27 - 01;02;40;13 Mark Horny? 01;02;40;20 - 01;02;42;01 Sarah Yeah, Horny. Henry. 01;02;42;08 - 01;02;42;26 Mark No, no. 01;02;42;28 - 01;02;46;14 Sarah I know he's smart. He's Henry. In the show and he's horny in the movie. 01;02;47;02 - 01;03;01;22 Mark One person in their review of this movie said the the the title of the review is a banal rework of earlier, banal high school school. High school movies. 01;03;01;22 - 01;03;05;15 Sarah Wow So it's a bad version of bad movies. 01;03;05;15 - 01;03;12;25 Mark Yes. This review ends with the following sentence. One feels a sense of pity for his future wife, Jill. 01;03;13;25 - 01;03;17;12 Mark Oh, who's. 01;03;17;12 - 01;03;18;15 Sarah Going to marry horny? 01;03;18;21 - 01;03;20;07 Mark Wow. Nobody. 01;03;20;08 - 01;03;23;19 Sarah Nobody. And I'm supposed to guess the name of this movie? No. 01;03;23;20 - 01;03;24;28 Mark I know. You have no idea. 01;03;24;28 - 01;03;27;21 Sarah I have no idea. I. What's it called? This? Cheaters. 01;03;27;22 - 01;03;30;15 Mark It's called cheaters. Oh, I got it. 01;03;30;20 - 01;03;30;29 Mark Yeah, I. 01;03;30;29 - 01;03;31;20 Mark Played for. 01;03;31;20 - 01;03;36;08 Mark You. Got it. 01;03;36;08 - 01;03;38;23 Sarah It's not like last week's Blue Monkey about bugs. 01;03;39;03 - 01;03;40;13 Mark Which I had seen. 01;03;40;22 - 01;03;41;23 Sarah But you didn't remember. 01;03;41;23 - 01;03;45;18 Mark I don't remember. I stole the him story. I was like, Oh, yeah, I saw that. 01;03;45;22 - 01;03;46;28 Sarah Still a point for me. Yeah, it's. 01;03;46;28 - 01;03;55;04 Mark Still a play for you. But yeah, I went through Lachlan Murdoch filmography and I saw that he was named. 01;03;55;06 - 01;03;57;12 Mark Horny in a movie called. 01;03;57;12 - 01;04;01;04 Mark Cheaters. I watched the trailer. 01;04;01;05 - 01;04;03;08 Mark To see. 01;04;03;08 - 01;04;08;18 Mark Which I know you'll be surprised had trouble finding a theatrical release. 01;04;08;18 - 01;04;08;27 Mark Date. 01;04;09;05 - 01;04;12;04 Sarah Would you recommend people check out this trailer? 01;04;12;04 - 01;04;12;25 Mark No. 01;04;12;25 - 01;04;15;07 Mark Yeah, the trailer maybe. 01;04;15;15 - 01;04;16;04 Sarah Okay. 01;04;16;11 - 01;04;21;29 Mark It looks like both horrible and like, boring. 01;04;21;29 - 01;04;22;17 Mark It looks like. 01;04;23;02 - 01;04;26;18 Mark Had a bunch of high school students cheating and. 01;04;27;07 - 01;04;28;20 Sarah Like, being dumb. 01;04;28;23 - 01;04;31;25 Mark Yeah, like, Oh, it's just horrific. 01;04;31;25 - 01;04;33;01 Sarah So. Well, I got a point. 01;04;33;17 - 01;04;37;29 Mark You got a point? Oh, I brought a horrible movie back, man. 01;04;37;29 - 01;04;39;18 Sarah See? You thought you were going to get me. 01;04;39;19 - 01;04;40;10 Mark I did. 01;04;40;11 - 01;04;41;21 Sarah You didn't get me. I guess. 01;04;41;21 - 01;04;41;29 Mark To. 01;04;43;01 - 01;04;47;11 Mark See the cheaters, the A in the T in cheaters is a plus. 01;04;48;03 - 01;04;53;28 Mark Oh, so clever. Oh, it's all clever. Not not clever. 01;04;54;04 - 01;04;57;15 Sarah What's our next episode? Season one Episode six is. 01;04;57;15 - 01;05;01;12 Mark Let loose to the dogs where we find out some background about. 01;05;01;28 - 01;05;02;19 Mark Interest. 01;05;02;22 - 01;05;04;21 Mark His father makes an appearance. 01;05;04;21 - 01;05;09;02 Sarah Oh, interesting. Yeah. All right. Well, until then. 01;05;09;12 - 01;05;31;27 Mark You can find mystery maniacs on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and email. Don't forget, all merch sales are going to target ovarian cancer on an organization that has also been very helpful to us. Yeah, and very nice and very pleased that what we're doing. So we've already been in contact with them and they're super excited for what we're doing. 01;05;31;27 - 01;05;32;28 Mark So likewise. 01;05;32;28 - 01;05;37;08 Mark Yeah, YouTube like Subscribe Hit the Bell and Bye. 01;05;37;08 - 01;05;54;12 Sarah Maniacs. Bye Mania. 01;05;54;12 - 01;05;56;10 Mark Totally right down the middle of the hill. 01;05;56;24 - 01;05;58;09 Mark Nothing wrong with the sidewalk. He's it's. 01;05;58;09 - 01;06;01;02 Mark Good sidewalk.