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Unknown: I had to kill Phil's
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This we had an ego. This was

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a small one, but he he had Jack
Kemp on one time. And when he

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was running with Bob Dole, and I
was on the phone while they're

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trying to get jack, and they go,
now, Jack, this is the Phil

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Valentine show. It's nationwide,
and all sudden, here Jack Kemp

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go, and who is it? I said, Phil,
Valentine. Phil, who Valentine?

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Like Valentine's Day? And where
he's out of well, he's pretty

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much national, okay, later on in
the interview, as he's talking

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to Phil, all of a sudden, when
Phil asked him a question. Jack,

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of course, starts the answer,
Well, Phil, it's like you say on

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your show. And he said, I listen
to you dailies, and love the

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show. Oh, my God.

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Welcome to a podcast about music
and entertainment before it all

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goes down the disposal. This is
circling the drain.

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Welcome back to circling the
drain, the podcast that wants to

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keep the entertainment the music
world, keep it from going down

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the garbage disposal as we say,
Hi, my name is John E Bozeman,

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but you know me better as Johnny
B, along with Jay Harper, my co

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host. Hey, Johnny B, how you
doing my brother?

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Hey, always doing great. What
I'm with you

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and brother, Chris. Chris,

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yes, I'm Chris. I'll be brother
Chris. Brother Chris, I'll be

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brother Chris slash Jim.

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Jim McCarthy, no man, you're
just so used to having producers

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named Chris. I am. That's

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where it came from. Chris,
whatever you want me to be.

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Yeah. Brother Jim McCarthy here,
dude, that's happened to me too.

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Just call me Joe Biden.

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But anyway, welcome to circling
the drain podcast where we talk

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about everything entertainment,
everything music. But today we

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wanted to talk about some of our
favorite stories. And I know you

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guys will be interested in it
too, because radio is a very

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interesting business.

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We do that in lieu of the pay
yes experiences,

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and it's getting more
interesting, but for totally

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different reasons.

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Oh, yeah, that's the truth. It's
become, well, it's become so

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corporate. It used to be. I
remember the days in radio. It

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was not unlikely, like for
myself. I'll talk about myself

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where I might have, you know, a
cigarette while I'm on the air

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with all the equipment there
absolutely have a cigarette,

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maybe a pizza over here. You
know, there might be a girl in

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the room and she may have
clothes or may not, right? Those

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were the days. I mean, that was
what radio was like back in

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those days. I it was pretty

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wild. It was as close to being a
rock star as one could possibly

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get without the money, that's
right,

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and the glory,

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you know? And it was back when
being a jock on the air was kind

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of like a dance, a ballet. I
mean, you had all this different

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gear that you no longer use. You
had turntables going cart

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machine. You had cart machines.
And I know people, there are

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those. I will mention cart
machines to folks, and they,

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they got the puzzled look, those
same eight track, yeah. I mean,

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that's what people can relate
to. It's kind of like a one

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track, eight track, exactly. You
know, it's what a little but

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anyway, you'd have several of
those, you'd have a reel to

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reel, perhaps, going and keeping
all of that in sync. And it was,

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it was such a talent, you know,
and you had a, you know, what?

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The console in front of you? Of
course, today it's all slide

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pods, but back in the day, yeah,
income, so, yeah, now everything

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is in a computer, yes, and all
you do is key the mic and the

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computer does everything else.
And in some respects, it's kind

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of cool. But yes, I do miss the
the dance, if you will.

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And we also had the Q burn too.
Remember that you'd be playing

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vinyl, and had been played so
much that at the front of it

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you'd start the record,

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that'd be get to where you would
hear those songs on other

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stations. Yes, and it didn't
sound right because it didn't

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have the Cuber Exactly, exactly,

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but where's the Q burn at man,
wait a minute. It was very

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interesting too. There was an
artist, Deborah Allen, we both.

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She's an artist here in
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called baby. I

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lied. 1983 Yes. Got to number
four. Yes, it

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did. And it crossed over to see
their radio guy. But it also

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crossed over to pop too. And I
took a chance on the record and

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I got. But because we had to
answer to Nashville, I was

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working in Birmingham at the
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Nashville, and they were really
on me. They said, Why are you

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going with this record? She's
unknown, really. And I said, I'm

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telling you, this record is
going to be hit. And thank God

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it was, because otherwise,
that's what really been hot

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water.

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She was on RCA Records at the
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When she was gorgeous. Oh, that
too. And a fine songwriter. I

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mean, a great singer, right? She
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the time. She was also a fine
songwriter, yeah, so you know,

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she had some street cred,
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from a musician standpoint, yes,
she did the radio people, a lot

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of radio people didn't know who
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going to go anywhere, but I did.
And what really drove me crazy

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about that record was that at
the end, as it's fading out, she

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hits this great high note. And I
would, I would not talk until

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she hit that high note. I mean,
I would even crank up the volume

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because I thought, how stupid.
Why did they not, you know? Why

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did they not leave, leave that
in there, then fade out after

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that. But anyway, that's radio
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all those fun things,

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yeah. I mean, I remember, you
know, Deborah Allen came to the

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station I was working at at the
time with her, with her RCA rep.

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Jack Weston was the RCA guy. I
always wonder what happened to

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Jack, but he was a good dude
anyway, yeah, you know, they

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came we, you know, we did the
lunch thing and all that. And,

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you know, she, she's out there
again now. She just released new

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stuff. Oh yeah, yeah. And she's
got a big show coming up in

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Franklin,

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yeah, she does, which is right
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to speak, Franklin theater, I
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yeah, yeah, correct. So she's
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she's really good. But I just
remember stuff like that. I also

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remember, I don't know if you
guys ever went through this or

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not, but I'm on the air. It was
in Nashville, and I was doing

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the midday show, and it was
Steve Warner had just come out,

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and I think he had a song. I
think it was, I forget the song

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now, but anyway, I didn't know a
lot about Steve Warner, and all

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of a sudden, I'm told by the
music director, oh, my God,

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you're supposed to do an
interview with Steve Warner. And

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I said, really? I said, when she
goes, now I know nothing about

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Steve Warner, and she goes,
Well, we're just gonna have to

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wing it. And I got to meet Steve
after it's very interesting,

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because I've met more country
artists after doing talk radio

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than I did music radio. And I
met Steve, and I said, Man, I

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don't and he didn't remember the
interview, but I said I always

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felt embarrassed because I said
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The only thing I knew was that
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Barbara Mandrell, which is
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Christmas. And so I went with
that and started there, and just

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let him kind

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of Steve's the kind of guy, you
know, you say, Hey, how you

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doing? And he'll talk for 30
minutes. Oh, he was great, yeah.

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I mean, I first met him when I
was working radio, and he played

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a nightclub in town, and at the
time, I mean, you know, he was

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on RCA, and he had some hits,
lonely women make good lovers,

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so, yeah, Midnight fire and
which were all pretty good

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tunes, but didn't really know
much about him either. But then

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realized, when I saw him in
concert for the first time that

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he could just pick the hell out
of a guitar. He's just a

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fantastic guitarist. And I
remember, after the she was

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standing at the bar, and I went
up, you know, introduced myself

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with so and so radio, man, I
didn't realize, God, what a

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great guitar player you are.
Blah, blah, blah. Well, it was

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years, a few years later, when I
worked for MCA, and he was on

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MCA at the at that time, yeah,
and he remembered me, either

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that or he was real good BS or,
you know, I had mentioned Hey

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man, you know, I saw you at this
bar, and he said he remembered

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me, but Yeah, Steve got to be
one of those guys that that I

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kind of got to know a bit during
the MCA Records days. And you're

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right. I mean, not a and what's
so disgusting. I mean, Steve's

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like 70 now or so, and he still
looks like he's 12. Yeah, he

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does. He's got, he's always been
young, young looking. You know,

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when

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you're right about his playing.
It was very interesting, because

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when I when I worked with Phil
Valentine on talk radio, it was

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around Christmas, and I was
playing Christmas bumpers, and I

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was playing one by Steve, and to
me, and I said it on the air. I

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said, Man, this hauntingly
sounds like Chet Atkins, who had

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passed away by that time, Steve
called into the show and he

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said, Wow. He said, I. Was
sitting in traffic, and he said,

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I really shuttered, because when
Johnny said that, it reminded

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him of Chet Atkins. He said,
When I played that song in the

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studio, I'm playing a Chet
Atkins. I'm playing chet's

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guitar in that on that tune. And
so that was pretty

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wild, yeah. I mean, Chet Atkins
was a mentor of Warner's, and I

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think produced some of Steve
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he did. And you're talking about
memory, one of the best people

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I've ever talked to would talk
about a great memory, believe it

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or not, was Donald Trump Jr. He
was calling in to do an

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interview with Phil. It wasn't
his first, but it'd been a

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couple of years, and I'm
answering the hotline, and I get

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on it, and he said, Johnny B How
you doing? That's cool. And I

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went, Man, how do you remember
me? And he goes, I remember

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everything. He said. I remember
what we talked about last time,

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and he told me. And I went, my
gosh, this guy is phenomenal. So

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you talk about a memory that
dude that was impressive. I've

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never, I've never met anybody
like that, because I've heard a

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lot of BS with talk radio. In
fact, I felt bad because I I had

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to kill Phil's ego one time.

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This way on an ego. This was

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small one, but he he had Jack
Kemp on one time, and when he

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was running with Bob Dole, and I
was on the phone while they're

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trying to get Jack. And this is
how it went. On the phone, you

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know, Jack, they're talking to
Jack, and they go, now, Jack,

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this is the Phil Valentine show.
It's nationwide, and, you know

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they this is when we were
sending all sudden. Here Jack

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Kemp go. And who is it? I said,
Phil Valentine. Phil, who

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Valentine? Like Valentine's Day?
And where he's out of, well,

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he's pretty much national, okay,
later on in the interview, as

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he's talking to Phil, all of a
sudden, when Phil asked him a

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question, Jack, of course,
starts the answer, Well, Phil,

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it's like you say on your show.
And he said, I listen to you

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daily. He said, love the show.
Oh, my God. I hate,

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man, happened to me with Alan
thick? Really? Remember Alan? I

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remember America's dad, yes. So
he, actually, he wasn't doing an

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interview with the radio
station. It was in Las Vegas,

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and he, he came in to record
commercials for a timeshare

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because he was the guy they
hired as the spokesperson. And

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there was a whole bunch of other
actors, if you will, that came

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into the station and were trying
to play like the cast. So they

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wanted us to set up our talk
studio so they could all be

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around it and record the
commercial. I'm like, no

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production studio guys. This is
how we work. And they were so

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Prima Donna, I mean, they were
like, Well, I'm not sure how we

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can really get into character.
I'm like, Dude, it's a

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commercial for a flipping time
shift. And Alan thick is just

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like, Guys, let's just get, you
know, he's just up next to my

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mic, and he was like, let's just
get, Let's hammer it out. We'll

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get it. We'll get it taken care
of. So anyway, we get it done.

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All big hullabaloo and
everything, all like, I've never

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had to cater to people's egos,
not his. Yeah, there's like,

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Yeah, nobody knows who you guys
are, you know. So they all

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leave. He had to come back and
do some pickups. And I only

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maybe worked for them. Worked
with him for maybe 45 minutes

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during that day. So you know, he
was coming in again maybe a

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month later, and I get a call
from the downstairs, like, you

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know, your guest is here. Okay,
let me go down and get him, and

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I, you know, circle around, open
a door, and I'm like, Hey, Mr.

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Thick. He's like, hey Jim. I'm
like, Oh, wow. Oh, my good on

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you, man. You remembered me, and
a lot of what a great guy. See,

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I love people, like, they gotta
do. It restores your faith in

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humanity.

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Now, see, I'm bad because I I'm
bad with Nate. Yeah,

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you don't say.

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I think that's maybe why I lost
my last gig, the new PD, you

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know when you've been up for a
long time? Yeah, it was one of

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those mornings when I didn't get
enough sleep the night before,

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which is about every morning,
right? Yeah, and

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Paul is guy's name, real nice.
Yes, he is really nice guy. And

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I, you know, I felt bad for him.
He had to fire me because I

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don't think he really felt good
about doing it. But anyway, I

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Yeah, firing legends. I see him
one more,

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and I think I called him Dave.
Hey, Dave. Dave, Paul, you gotta

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forgive me.

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Oh, speaking of Miss. Miss, like
missing someone's name. This is

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actually a fair story, so I
can't I'm thinking of who the

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guy was. So he comes into the
studio and it. Was Colin Hay.

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Oh, yeah, from work. Men at
Work. Men at Work. Yeah. And

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we're gonna have him on another
show that we're producing on the

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side, live here at one time. I
guess so. Yeah, I guess so. So

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he comes in and I'm on the phone
with my wife, and I'm like, Hey,

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I gotta let you go. We're we're
about to do this podcast with

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the guest is here. She's like,
Oh, who is it? I'm like, oh,

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it's Colin Ray. And he's sitting
right across from and I'm going,

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oh, and I kind of look at him,
he starts laughing, like, kind

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of you see his shoulders moving,
and I'm like, did I totally oh

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my gosh, you're calling Hey. I
said, Come on, man, honest

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mistake here. I mean, I knew
kind of who you were. I know. Oh

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my gosh. Let me shut up. Let me
get the shoe out of my mouth.

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Gosh,

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oh man, it's tough. Hey, you
know it just is, it's just is.

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But, yeah, there's been a lot of
great radio stories. I think

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the, I think the the funniest
one I can remember involves my

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father and kind of me too, in a
roundabout way, because at the

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time I was it was during my sin
in day, there were a couple of

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us at the station that were
imbibing, you know, we, we

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smoked the devil's lettuce at
the time, and one of us was kind

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of stupid when it came to it. He
didn't use good common sense.

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But I was at family dinner one
time, and it was a Sunday, and

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dad had a habit on Sundays of
not ever getting out of, you

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know, like he'd always be
wearing the robe and his

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pajamas, and we're around the
dinner table, and all of a

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sudden the phone rings, and it's
a radio station, and the buddy

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of mine that's jocking that day
had the great idea that, man,

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I'll just nobody's here. I'll
just smoke a joint while I'm on

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the air. So to light the joint,
he uses a match, and the match

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he after he lit the joint, he
throws the match in the waste

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paper basket, which is
underneath the console. The

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match is not out. He thinks it
is, but it's not, and probably

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in the shape he's in, he doesn't
notice that it's smoldering.

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It's starting to smoke. The fire
got so bad that it fried the

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wires on the board knock the
station off the air. Oh, fun.

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And so we're we're all eating
dinner, and dad gets this, gets

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the news, and then he tells
everybody what's happened, and

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the whole family's eyes look at
me like I did it, and I'm

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thinking, I wasn't there. I was
right here. For once, it wasn't

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me, but they and even made a
book. This the program director,

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whose name was Don Keith, great
guy. He has been really

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successful with books. In fact,
one of his novels became a movie

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and starred Gerard Butler,
really, but, yeah, the guy, but

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he wrote a great book about
radio called Wizard of the wind.

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And in fact, I get a, I'm, uh, I
get a dedication amongst

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hundreds of other radio people
cool, which made me feel, in

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fact, my name was right next to
Jerry houses. And wow, yeah,

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that made me feel really good.
It's a big deal, man. But don

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tells the story in there, kind
of, and he said, he said he

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never forgot the image of my
father pulling up in the back

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lot, getting out of the car with
his robe and pajamas, running up

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to the station. And of course,
that guy ended up getting

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fired. Yeah, I would imagine.
So, I mean, how long did it take

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to get back on the other that's
a major, that's a major. I

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forget, it took a while. Yeah,
it took a while. And,

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yeah, that was probably back in
the days when you couldn't just

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shift everything over to a
production studio and operate

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out. Well, I think they may
have, yeah, they may have done

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that so, but, you know, talking
about the radio. So, you know,

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you go way back in radio, when
stations were mostly Mom and Pop

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owned, yes, before all of the,
you know, corporate conglomerate

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stuff, and those people, you
know, like your father, you you

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talked in another podcast about
having personal relationships

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with Jimmy Dean and Ron Clark
and all. Oh, yeah, you know,

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back then those Mom and Pop
owners, they had those

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relationships with with artists
and stuff. They would stay over

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at their houses and this kind of
thing. Uh. A guy that I worked

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for in Baton Rouge. He was came
from Mississippi Mom and Pop.

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Guy who bought that station. He
bought an am when am radio was

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big, but bought it like in the
late 50s, yeah, and that was the

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they were the king of the world
in radio. Then he put an FM on

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the air in 1969 that was, I
think, the second country FM in

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the nation at the time, because
that was, that was new kind of,

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you know, the FM radio to put a
country station on it. Most FM

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stations, you know, were, like,
beautiful, you know, that's

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Andre Castellon. It's another,
you know, all that beautiful

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music stuff. But, but anyway, in
the back in the 50s, he owned

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stations in Mississippi, and for
I think it was Elvis, like stood

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him up or something for a
concert that they were doing. So

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he consequently hated Elvis. And
if you played Elvis on the

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station, you would get a big
time reprimand because he hated

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Elvis, regardless of the fact
that Elvis was Elvis. Well,

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yeah, you know, but yeah, you
couldn't play Elvis because he

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was still, like, you know, 25
years later, still pissed at

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Elvis because he stood him up at
a concert or

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something. See, I never
understood that they when I

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lived in Wichita, there was a
big station. There was kfdi, may

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still be a big country. Oh yeah,
I used

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to promote that station. Mike

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oatman was the owner, and he Oh,
yes, I remember him. He did. A

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dad hated Yeah. And Mike hated
my dad because they were, they

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were really, I mean, they were,
they were basically fighting the

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radio wars. But anyway, Mike
Oakman really made me mad one

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day, because it was when Waylon
Jennings put out, are you ready

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for the country? And he's
playing the song on the air, are

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you ready for the country? And
it had a line in it, which I

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thought, Man, that's a great
line. Said talking to a

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preacher, said God was on his
side, talking to the pusher,

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they both were selling high. And
I thought, Man, that's a great

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line. Right after it plays, all
of a sudden you hear the record

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come off. Mike says, We're not
playing that crap on the air

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breaks the record on air. Said,
I don't care if it is Waylon

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Jennings, we're not promoting
that kind of crap on this radio

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station.

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Well, you know, there are a lot
of stations that wouldn't play

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John Denver's Rocky Mountain
High. It's true, because they

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were taking that as some drug
thing. Well, it may have been,

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yeah, you know, kind of, you
know, up for interpretation. I

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was kind

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of like Lucy in the Sky with
Diamonds, with the Beatles. The

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LSD was actually a, you know,
John Lennon's kid brought home

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this picture that he painted.
So, yeah,

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I just made that correlation. I
can see that.

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But you also we're talking about
meeting artists. I remember, as

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I worked at kz country. It was
in Nashville, on Music Row. It's

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where curb records is now, and
the studio that you broadcast

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out of looked directly into the
newsroom, which they sometimes

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use. As you know, they would do
celebrity interviews in there.

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And my sister at the time, who
was also working at the station,

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was doing a celebrity interview
for some I think syndicated

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radio show with a Judd and Naomi
and Wynonna were there, and

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Naomi was sitting right across
from me, where we could see each

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other. Now, she never really
looked over at me, but I was

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watching her, and the whole time
she and Winona had their

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sunglasses on, which I found
kind of funny. I kept thinking,

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why are you wearing sunglasses
inside? So I was wearing

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contacts at the time, so I had
shades. I had some Ray Bans, so

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I stuck my Ray Bans on and did
my show like that for a while,

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waiting on Naomi to and finally
she did. She was looking she

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looked over at me, and, I mean,
started smiling. I could tell

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she was laughing. And they ended
up coming into the studio, and

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she said, I had to come in and
introduce myself. She said, You

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really had me laughing putting
your son classes.

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I said, Well, I'm just having

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you're making fun of me.

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You know, the first time I met
her, I was working radio in

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Baton Rouge, and she and in
Winona. Know as the Judds.

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Nobody really knew who they were
just yet. I think they had just

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put out their first first tune,
but they were opening for Willie

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Nelson at a concert there and
and I was, I was emceeing the

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concert, but anyway, backstage,
and I didn't really know who the

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judge were either. Really. I'd
kind of heard of them from my

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record rep with RCA the jack
Weston, but Winona is riding a

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bicycle backstage in the halls.
Oh, wow. Of the LSU assembly

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center is where the show was
taking place. So she's riding a

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bicycle, and I see Winona
sitting in the dressing or,

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pardon me, Naomi sitting in the
dressing room by herself, no

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makeup on. And I was just struck
by how beautiful she was, very

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beautiful woman. And I kind of
stuck my head in the anyway, I

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sat and chatted with her. There
was nobody else in there, you

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know. Again, they're just
starting out. So I guess the

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entourage wasn't, you know,
quite there yet, right? You

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know. But, yeah, just had the
nicest, warmest talk. You know,

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Jim had mentioned, I believe
I'll tell that story, yeah, you

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know what? We were off, off air
here, I guess you would call it

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about his encounter with Naomi
and how nice she was. But, yeah,

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just so down to earth and
friendly and but again, I was

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just, I was like, I know my jaw
was dropping about how gorgeous

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she was, but not without a
stitch of makeup on, you know,

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yeah, natural beauty. Man, yeah,
yeah. But I'm guessing probably

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Winona was, probably was like,
she was like, 1819, when they

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started something like that. So,
yeah, pretty woman too. She was

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just, oh yeah, they're very
pretty women. So, you know, she

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was just a kid bouncing off the
walls, riding the bicycle

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backstage. Man, it's crazy. So

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tell us about your

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so after the after my life in
radio, I got into the car

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business. The funny thing about
the car business and radio,

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whenever you tell people what
you do, they're always

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fascinated. It's either a
fascination with what you do or

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a hatred for what you do. Yeah,
I found that commonality with

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both those Yes. You know what I
hate about car sales. Okay,

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yeah, I get it. But I was
working at Mercedes Benz and

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Cool Springs, and I had the
office right next to the side of

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the building. So it was a
beautiful spring day. We had the

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doors open, a nice breeze coming
through, and it wasn't uncommon

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for people to to kind of jaunt
in and with their pets, or dogs

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or something like that, on a
leash, you know, with

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consideration. So I'm sitting
there at my desk at my computer,

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looking, who else do I need to
call? I really, I really enjoyed

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that job. And I stay out of my
peripheral. I see a little dog

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walking in without a leash, and
I'm going, Are you kidding me?

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Come on, man, and, you know,
following the dog was a woman,

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and I'm looking at her, and I'm
tracking her, and she stops

424
00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:03,480
right in front of my desk, and
I'm going get I'm going, Gosh,

425
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,620
she looks so you look so
familiar. She about faces, and

426
00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:10,080
just turns right towards me, and
she goes, I'm looking for some

427
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,640
trucks. Okay, used pre owned,
you know, we got trucks. I mean,

428
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,200
Mercedes doesn't make trucks,
per se, we make SUVs. Yes, SUVs.

429
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,980
Okay, great. You know what? I
could be able to happy to help

430
00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:25,160
you. As she comes walking over,
extends her hand, she goes, I'm

431
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,820
Ashley, that's who you are.
Okay, now I know yours. Ashley

432
00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:32,720
Judd, yeah. And as we start
talking, and in walks Naomi and

433
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,600
her husband, whose name I get.
Remember, Larry street seems to

434
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,740
be the theme of the show today.

435
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,280
And she we went.

436
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,800
We went, we found a car, took a
test drive, and everything out

437
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,080
in the test drive, all four of
us went, and Naomi was just all

438
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,980
about me, just asking me, Well,
tell me about your family. Where

439
00:28:53,980 --> 00:28:56,260
are you from? How What's your
wife do? Tell me about your

440
00:28:56,260 --> 00:29:00,220
kids. How old are your kids?
Where do they go to? Just like

441
00:29:00,340 --> 00:29:04,500
salesmanship. 101, yes, like
someone trained her. But I think

442
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:07,140
it was just innate in her to
just be curious about other

443
00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:09,840
people, which I think made her
very endearing. And I think it

444
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,840
was a natural trait, yes, and
boy, what a what an impression

445
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,640
she made. And I'm like, I really
appreciate you. Ashley. Was

446
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,420
Ashley, uh, Naomi was was
amazing. Was absolutely amazing.

447
00:29:23,420 --> 00:29:26,600
She was amazing. She made you
just love her.

448
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,560
I think that's one reason they
became so big. It wasn't just

449
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,460
winona's talent, which was
phenomenal. I mean, yeah,

450
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,780
Wynonna is great singer,

451
00:29:36,499 --> 00:29:39,499
but you met Wynonna as well,
right? Yeah, I did. She's nice

452
00:29:39,499 --> 00:29:39,919
as well.

453
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,120
She was nice. She was not. She
was a little smart alec, which

454
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,460
was fine, because I am too. But
I remember somebody on the staff

455
00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:55,720
had put a penthouse. It was a
penthouse subscription card on

456
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:01,860
my console to be, you know,
smart a and I. I had forgotten

457
00:30:01,860 --> 00:30:04,560
about it being there when they
came into the studio. Of course

458
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,520
there was and why, no one looks
over goes, Oh, penthouse,

459
00:30:09,420 --> 00:30:13,620
yeah. Do you read it? Yeah? I
read it for the articles.

460
00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:17,280
Yeah, I just read Yeah. I like,
I like the I like the forum.

461
00:30:22,380 --> 00:30:23,660
But yeah, radio,

462
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:25,520
they're really huge articles.

463
00:30:25,580 --> 00:30:27,680
Yes, big, big old, big old,

464
00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:32,480
yeah. And I, yeah, I post those
I like, so I

465
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,500
like getting to the bottom of
the story. But anyway, you

466
00:30:36,499 --> 00:30:39,919
know, we were talking earlier in
another episode about deaths

467
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:44,019
that affected people, yes. And
again, Naomi, Naomi, Judge well.

468
00:30:44,019 --> 00:30:47,919
And again, the circumstances
that were indeed so

469
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:48,639
heartbreaking.

470
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,980
Well, suicide is always,

471
00:30:52,300 --> 00:31:00,040
you know, my mother was the same
way suicide, if people really

472
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,320
knew what, how it affect. I
mean, you're not, you're not

473
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:09,300
solving a problem. You're
creating even more problems. I

474
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:12,900
mean, that that's what's so sad
about suicide, in such a way,

475
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,900
the permanent solution to a
timid, temporary problem,

476
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:20,360
exactly. Thing, you know, the
Robin Williams, Oh, yeah. But

477
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,320
anyway,

478
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:26,420
what was the song, country song,
back in oh five, it was, it was

479
00:31:26,420 --> 00:31:29,000
kind of like a, I don't remember
the artist, but it was how it

480
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,300
was called, how do you get that
lonely? It was about suicide,

481
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:36,200
yeah, you know. But great song,
yeah, it was really good song.

482
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,260
And I can't remember the artist,
I'm sorry, guy names, yeah,

483
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:41,900
we're having a tough time today.
Yeah,

484
00:31:42,380 --> 00:31:45,640
you had mentioned, like the
breaking the records, yes, and

485
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,020
it reminded me of, like, once
upon a time, how radio had such

486
00:31:50,020 --> 00:31:53,260
power. It still does today. To a
certain extent, the record

487
00:31:53,260 --> 00:31:57,040
industry, the music business,
really does depend on spins, as

488
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,140
it were. You know, even though
there's definitely a diminishing

489
00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:04,620
audience and a fractured
attention span and listenership.

490
00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:07,800
It reminded me of when I was in
Vegas, actually, shortly short,

491
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,920
shortly before I went there, I
was really fascinated with it,

492
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,040
and, oddly enough, ended up
working out there. But a buddy

493
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,020
of mine was programming kxte,
one Oh, 7.5 extreme radio out in

494
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:22,820
Las Vegas at the time, in 2000
and I remember reading it in a

495
00:32:22,820 --> 00:32:25,760
trade papers this, this had come
out, and I think it even made

496
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,820
mainstream media when it came
out. Limp Bizkit was out

497
00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:32,720
promoting their latest album
called the chocolate starfish

498
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:39,500
and the hot dog flavored water
metaphors. Apparently, they

499
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:44,500
decided they had a 21 city tour
in the US and Canada, and before

500
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,680
they went off to Japan. So they
decided to not play Vegas,

501
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,140
because they had an opportunity
to play somewhere else for more

502
00:32:50,140 --> 00:32:55,240
money. So they basically flipped
off Vegas, yeah, when kxte

503
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,700
caught wind of it, and they
basically banned them from the

504
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:00,120
radio station because they
weren't they weren't going to

505
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,900
play Vegas and Dave Wellington,
who is the program director,

506
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:07,740
Beef Wellington, we call them,
yeah, he met, he made headlines.

507
00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:12,000
And like, like, listeners were
out, you know, rolling the the

508
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,360
discs over with steam rollers
and all sorts of stuff. And it

509
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,500
was a big spectacle. Is amazing.
Wow, just the black eye those

510
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:20,900
guys got because of that

511
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,700
the Dixie Chicks,

512
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,720
oh, yeah, that was a big Yeah,
and they blamed radio, but

513
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,740
really, they blame but it wasn't
so much radio decided to do

514
00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:35,300
that. It was the radio audience.
Yeah, because I was working at

515
00:33:35,540 --> 00:33:40,540
we worked for Clear Channel at
the time. We were in talk right,

516
00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:43,960
of course, with Phil and I
remember when that happened,

517
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,380
they were getting flooded
though. I mean, anytime they

518
00:33:47,380 --> 00:33:52,600
played a Dixie chick song, the
audience, mean they they did not

519
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,420
want it. So that's why a lot of
those songs got pulled. It

520
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:59,680
wasn't radio's decision just
because of something. She said,

521
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:04,440
it was because of the audience
backlash. I always said Natalie

522
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,280
mains would have been a lot
better off, and people probably

523
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,580
would have thought, you know,
it's a lot different. You know,

524
00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:15,360
if she had done that in Texas
somewhere, we people probably

525
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,620
go, man, that took some guts,

526
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:21,020
yeah? But you did it overseas.
They did it overseas.

527
00:34:21,019 --> 00:34:22,099
Springsteen just did

528
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:27,320
it. Yeah, stupid. Well, and the
thing with her, that whole

529
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,340
thing, was she, she was trying
to win the audience back,

530
00:34:31,340 --> 00:34:35,540
because the worst thing you can
do to a performer is boo. And

531
00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:39,200
she said something about them
being from Texas as from why I

532
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,340
understand the concert and the
audience in England started

533
00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:45,640
booing her, and that's when she
made that comment. And it was

534
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,900
like, you know, that was, um,
you didn't need to do that. You

535
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:55,360
did not need to do that. But
she, she paid for it, and the

536
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,240
and it's really a shame, because
the group was really good. I

537
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:02,100
thought I were Dixie Chicks. Put
out some great music. Same with

538
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,140
I love Steve Earl. He's one of
my favorite singer songwriters.

539
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:09,780
But sometimes that dude puts his

540
00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:13,620
Yeah, but he, you know again,
knowing Steve again, going back

541
00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:17,400
to my MCA Records days, he's one
of the artists I got to know

542
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,920
probably better than than
anyone. He's a likable guy. Oh,

543
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,060
Steve's a good dude, yeah, he
really is, you know, he has, he

544
00:35:26,060 --> 00:35:30,320
has very strong political
leanings, far social, far left,

545
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,160
yeah, you know. But that is
never, you know, that's just

546
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,600
hasn't been anything that's come
up in our relationship, you

547
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:44,560
know? Well, it's so, yeah, but
in terms of his, you know, his

548
00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:49,300
art, brilliant songwriter, you
know, admittedly, he can be kind

549
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:55,060
of an acquired taste, as far as
a performer goes, Yes, but Yeah,

550
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:58,660
but you're right. I mean, Steve
has said some things that I

551
00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:05,640
don't think if he were trying to
go mainstream country, then

552
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,480
maybe some of his comments would
would be an issue for him. But

553
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,580
that's that's never been Steve.
Well,

554
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:14,880
no, and I don't think Steve
really cares. No, no. I think, I

555
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,180
think Steve looks at it like,
you know, hey, you either like

556
00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:21,560
me or you don't, right if you
don't, yeah, I don't agree with

557
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,940
him. I don't even but I like a
lot of issues. Sure, I like his

558
00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:30,620
music. And you know, the only
thing that I got tired of, as

559
00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:38,060
far as is on stage stuff, was I
didn't mind the songs that, you

560
00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:41,200
know, that he had, like the
revolution starts now, whatever

561
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,360
that was he wrote against George
W Bush, you know that that

562
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:52,660
didn't bother me. What bothered
me were the constant political

563
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,140
talks that he would do on stage,
yeah, yeah. He was like, I

564
00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:59,380
didn't come to I want to escape
this. You know, he

565
00:36:59,380 --> 00:37:06,720
will get to rambling about that,
yeah, on stage and yeah, I, you

566
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:11,880
know, back again when we were
trying to break him at MCA, we

567
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:18,720
had the he had a little bit of
baggage in terms of his music,

568
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:22,040
Because epic Sony tried to make
him

569
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,640
a rockabilly Yes. In fact, I was
one of the first DJs to play him

570
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,080
in this town and that and

571
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,520
that. First of all, that wasn't
Steve, no. It just it was all

572
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,420
wrong. But you know, when he
came over to MCA in the guitar

573
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:39,680
town album, oh, what a brilliant
wreck. But boy, talk about a

574
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,540
bear trying to get that on
radio. And that surprised me,

575
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:47,140
though. Well, I was, as I say, I
think there was some baggage

576
00:37:47,140 --> 00:37:50,140
with that. Oh, that's that
rockabilly guy, right? And we

577
00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:51,880
don't play the rockabilly guy.

578
00:37:52,060 --> 00:37:56,140
Well, I gotta admit too when
that record came out, because

579
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,380
Steve had turned me off when I
first met him, because that was

580
00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:06,360
when he was on CBS. He was doing
the rockabilly stuff, and the

581
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,140
program director didn't want to
talk to him, and so he said,

582
00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:12,960
Would you mind doing I said, No,
I don't mind doing it, because I

583
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,460
like meeting new artists anyway,
and I really liked him at first.

584
00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:20,420
I mean, we were getting along.
He was, I think he was with John

585
00:38:20,420 --> 00:38:23,360
Lomax at the time. Yeah, that's
it. Was your manager. Yep, I

586
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,580
believe you're right. And they
were both real nice, and I

587
00:38:25,580 --> 00:38:30,200
really enjoyed talking to them.
But Steve's demeanor changed

588
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,640
when I said, Well, what are you
doing? What kind of music is

589
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,220
this? He's because I didn't hear
the record. He goes, Well, I'm

590
00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:41,800
doing rockabilly. And at the
time, I was, you know, trying to

591
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,860
be an artist, too. And they told
me that, oh, that sounds

592
00:38:44,860 --> 00:38:47,320
rockabilly. I said, Well, it's
interesting, because that's what

593
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,840
somebody said my record sounded
like. And for some reason that

594
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,620
turned him. He got, all of a
sudden, it just changed. He was

595
00:38:56,620 --> 00:39:00,700
real standoffish and acted like
he wanted to get out of there.

596
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:04,980
And I thought, Well, I'm sorry.
I said, So when my wife went to

597
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:09,840
get my wife, at the time, went
to go buy guitar town, I said,

598
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,180
Well, you're going on your own.
I said, I'm not going in there.

599
00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:16,020
I don't want to be seen buying
that. Because I remembered that.

600
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:18,780
Yeah, yeah. But then when she
brought it home, I was like,

601
00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:22,820
Man, this guy, this record is
phenomenal, yeah, and I really

602
00:39:22,820 --> 00:39:24,560
fell in love with his music.
Well,

603
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,460
hillbilly highway was the first
single off that album, and it

604
00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:31,040
didn't, I don't know. I think he
may have gotten to the 30s,

605
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,580
maybe, yeah, it

606
00:39:31,580 --> 00:39:35,660
didn't go far, yeah, which is a
shame. It's a great song.

607
00:39:35,779 --> 00:39:40,519
But then you know that, but
that, that fat Duane Eddy

608
00:39:40,939 --> 00:39:45,579
guitar, yeah, you know that. I
don't know if that was a Tony

609
00:39:45,579 --> 00:39:49,899
brown idea. Who produced that
album, but that was Richard

610
00:39:49,899 --> 00:39:53,139
Bennett, yeah. Richard Bennett,
yeah. I mean, he's the one that

611
00:39:53,139 --> 00:39:59,859
was playing that guitar, yeah,
but I was working non reporters.

612
00:39:59,999 --> 00:40:04,859
At the time, you know, back
then, you know, well, I say non

613
00:40:04,859 --> 00:40:09,479
reporters, stations that did not
report to billboard or R and R,

614
00:40:09,479 --> 00:40:12,539
which was radio and records,
which is no longer around. But

615
00:40:12,539 --> 00:40:13,439
if you were in R and

616
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,960
R, which meant, essentially a
radio station could pick its own

617
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,340
playlist, pretty much, yeah,

618
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,100
yeah. So R and R and billboard
reporters. I was, I was calling

619
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:28,760
at the time cash box and Gavin
report stations and big stations

620
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:34,460
that didn't report to anybody.
And I was starting the reporters

621
00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:38,060
at the time were just blowing
him off. They were not playing

622
00:40:38,060 --> 00:40:41,020
Steve Earle, right? But I
started getting traction with

623
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:46,660
those non reporters, the Gavins
that in the Rust Belt, in Ohio,

624
00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:53,380
in Pennsylvania, West Virginia.
And finally, the big stations

625
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,000
were telling their record rep,
their MCA guy that was calling

626
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:03,060
them, who was Bill catino At
that time, I'm getting calls for

627
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:07,920
this Steve Earl guy, who? So?
Who is he? Now, you know? So

628
00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:14,160
that is what started to get the
traction for guitar town, yeah.

629
00:41:14,220 --> 00:41:18,060
And ultimately, that was a
number one album. Oh, but boy,

630
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:21,380
it took a lot of work, a lot of
work to get

631
00:41:21,380 --> 00:41:24,680
there, unless you had people
that worked at that label,

632
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,120
unlike you, that were not behind
him at all. No,

633
00:41:30,619 --> 00:41:33,559
you know, that's a shame,
because it's not a priority in a

634
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:34,819
lot of people's minds.

635
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:41,080
See, to me, that record really,
I mean, I never wanted to pick

636
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,800
the guitar up again. I thought,
boy, this guy is phenomenal. And

637
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,940
in the next record, exit zero, I
really fell in love with I was

638
00:41:48,940 --> 00:41:52,900
working at a my father and I got
involved in a small station

639
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,160
happened to be in Fairview,
Tennessee, and I didn't know at

640
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,680
the time Steve lived there,
yeah, yes, right. And so I got,

641
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,380
really, got into that record.
And then he came out with

642
00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:10,260
Copperhead road, and I remember
I was the only one out of all of

643
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:14,400
us there that liked it.
Everybody else was, oh, man,

644
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,200
he's gone way too far now. And
my father and I had a bet. I

645
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,720
said, I bet you the album at
least, will go top 10 in the

646
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:30,140
country charts. He said, you're
on and and I said, if it wins, I

647
00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:34,400
want to play the album in its
entirety on the station, because

648
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,840
I love the guy so much. And sure
enough, it went to number seven.

649
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,240
Went to number seven. I went
into the girl that was playing

650
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:46,180
music, and I said, I want you to
play this album. It's an

651
00:42:46,180 --> 00:42:49,240
entirety. And she said, Really,
yes,

652
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:53,980
well, I have to tell you my
first experience in hearing

653
00:42:53,980 --> 00:42:59,320
Copperhead road by Steve Earle.
He was and I don't know who did

654
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:06,540
this or how it came about. But
he was asked, I guess, to

655
00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:12,960
perform at a meeting reception
party, whatever it was for Fifth

656
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:20,540
Third Bank downtown Nashville.
Perfect, Fifth Third Bank

657
00:43:20,540 --> 00:43:25,760
downtown Nashville. I went with
him to that. I helped him. I

658
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,240
mean, it was just him and his
guitar, yeah. And nobody really

659
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:33,920
knew, you know, right, who the
heck he was. But, yeah, here he

660
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:39,020
is playing for all these bankers
at this, you know, kind of

661
00:43:39,020 --> 00:43:45,040
hoity, toity. So the interest
rates are up 3.5 you know, like

662
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,180
that with their cocktail
glasses. Yeah, stuff. Well, you

663
00:43:49,180 --> 00:43:51,880
know, Steve's playing his stuff,
and nobody's really paying all

664
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,100
that much attention to him,
quite frankly, but he mentions,

665
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:59,980
well, here's a new tune that
I've not really played for

666
00:43:59,980 --> 00:44:02,820
anybody in public. But since
ain't, nobody paying any

667
00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:07,620
attention anyway, what the hell?
So he pulls out his mandolin,

668
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:14,760
yes, and starts playing that
intro to to Copperhead Road,

669
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,320
yes. And he is just really
starting to just, you could tell

670
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,940
he was kind of pissed. Anyway,
yeah. So he was really letting

671
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:26,360
out his angst and kind of
discuss for all of these

672
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,440
capitalists,

673
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,460
well, and plus, plus, the way he
played a mandolin. It wasn't

674
00:44:31,460 --> 00:44:34,700
like you hear with the real
gentle, no, no. He plays it more

675
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:36,860
percussive. I mean, absolutely,
yeah.

676
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,360
So he is just really starting to
get going. And, of course, he

677
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,320
wears those bandanas on his
wrist, yes, and the bandanas

678
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,600
were already kind of sweaty, so
there's just like sweat and spit

679
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:55,060
flying everywhere. And he's
just, well, my name's John Lee

680
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:59,320
patter, you know, just really
getting it going. And finally,

681
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:05,100
though, the. Those capitalist
bankers finally stopped and just

682
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:09,480
stood there and took notice,
yes, of the song. And I thought

683
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,420
it was such a great song. And,
of course, it is, I mean, the

684
00:45:12,420 --> 00:45:15,780
story that tells, oh, it's,
it's, I remember, just

685
00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:16,500
brilliant.

686
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,360
Well, the first time I heard it
was in, it was at Douglas corner

687
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,560
when it was still here, yeah,
and Steve was just by himself.

688
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,900
He was doing like an acoustic
show, and all of a sudden he

689
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:35,120
brings out this kick drum and
his mandolin and starts playing

690
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,740
this song. And I am mesmerized.
I'm thinking, Man, this is a

691
00:45:39,740 --> 00:45:43,900
great song. And then the next
time I hear it, he's doing a

692
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:48,820
show at War Memorial Auditorium
with Roseanne cash and Rodney

693
00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:53,680
Crowell and Steve was the
opener, and that was a big

694
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,940
mistake, I thought, because as
much as I love Rodney Crowell

695
00:45:57,940 --> 00:46:01,920
and Roseanne cash, Steve blew
them both off the stage, yeah,

696
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,640
and he did Copperhead road that
night, and it had not come out

697
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:11,580
yet, and it had the full band
this time. My gosh, the way that

698
00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:15,120
that place came alive with that
song. And I thought that song is

699
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:15,480
going to

700
00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:18,720
be huge. Well, after Steve did
it for those bankers, he

701
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,820
actually got applause, you know,
great song just kind of stopped

702
00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:25,520
and like, What's this guy doing?
You know, he got their

703
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,160
attention. Oh, yeah, it was a
cool moment.

704
00:46:28,699 --> 00:46:31,099
Well, I'll tell one more Steve
Earl story, because we don't

705
00:46:31,099 --> 00:46:35,839
want to make this the Steve
Earle hour, but Steve was on

706
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:39,319
Phil show one time, Bill
Valentine. Now, of course,

707
00:46:39,319 --> 00:46:44,079
they're, they're, they're
politically opposite,

708
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:48,519
metrically, except for one area.
Phil was not for the death

709
00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:51,999
penalty. And that's what Steve
was doing. He was doing a

710
00:46:51,999 --> 00:46:56,199
concert. It was an anti death
penalty concert, and I asked

711
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:59,019
Phil if he'd like to have him
on. He said, Well, you know, you

712
00:46:59,019 --> 00:47:02,519
like his music. I kind of dig
his music. He said, Yeah. He

713
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:07,739
said, Let's have him on. So
Steve gets to the station early,

714
00:47:09,179 --> 00:47:11,699
and I see him out in the lobby,
so I decided to go out and talk

715
00:47:11,699 --> 00:47:14,399
to him. And we had great talk.
We talked country music, we

716
00:47:14,399 --> 00:47:18,659
talked all kinds of stuff. And I
thought, well, this is going to

717
00:47:18,659 --> 00:47:21,439
be a great interview. And I
said, so I told Steve. I said,

718
00:47:21,439 --> 00:47:24,799
Well, I gotta get back in, get
ready for the show. But I said,

719
00:47:25,699 --> 00:47:29,899
even though you and Phil are
politically opposed, I said, you

720
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:35,179
do have a common, common theme
with this. I said he believes,

721
00:47:35,179 --> 00:47:40,159
as you do, not quite like you
do, but he's not for the death

722
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,939
penalty either. And he goes, Oh,
I know he's going to ambush me.

723
00:47:44,259 --> 00:47:47,679
I said, No, man, he's going to
be good to you. I said he didn't

724
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:53,559
ambush anybody. And that
interview started a real

725
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:57,519
contention between Phil
Valentine and Steve Earle. In

726
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:02,579
fact, Phil is in this movie that
this guy did on Steve Earle

727
00:48:02,579 --> 00:48:06,839
called just an American boy, and
they're talking about the it's

728
00:48:06,839 --> 00:48:11,999
all about when he had that song
out John Walker's blues. And

729
00:48:11,999 --> 00:48:15,779
there's a clip of Phil on Fox
News going it's the worst song

730
00:48:15,779 --> 00:48:20,239
I've ever heard. But when Steve
went into the interview, he was

731
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:25,519
very contentious with Phil, and
wasn't very nice, right? And

732
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:30,559
Phil was being really and after
that interview, Phil said, what

733
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:34,819
a butthole. He said, I'll never
be nice to him again, which is

734
00:48:34,819 --> 00:48:38,539
sad, because Steve's really a
good guy. He is, he is, and Phil

735
00:48:38,539 --> 00:48:42,819
was, too. It's a shame they
couldn't find a common ground,

736
00:48:42,819 --> 00:48:46,599
which there was, you know, so
that's right, I gotta tell you a

737
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,359
great Phil Valentine's story,
since we're telling radio

738
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:50,019
stories here,

739
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,500
but Excuse me, but Phil,

740
00:48:55,060 --> 00:49:00,600
when we started on W, L, A, C,
was notorious for coming in just

741
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,160
in time. Yeah, a lot of, lot of
guys like that. Well, he

742
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,400
usually, he would be coming in
as the theme music was playing.

743
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,900
This is how it usually went to
everything. The whole news part

744
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:17,760
was over. The weather was over.
All of a sudden it's pow done.

745
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,980
You know, the Eddie money song
they used another, I think, is

746
00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:25,400
what another day in LA, I think
was the name of the song. But

747
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,880
anyway, the song's going,
there's no Phil. All of a

748
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:35,000
sudden, in comes Phil Valentine.
He puts the briefcase down, pops

749
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,660
it open, gets his earphones out,
waves to me, how you doing? You

750
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:43,060
know, the program director is
going out of his mind cussing me

751
00:49:43,180 --> 00:49:48,220
out. Where is he? Where is he?
Puts the earphones on, boom,

752
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:51,880
there he is. And there's only
one time, and I think this, I

753
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,180
think this was the end of the
days when he would cut it so

754
00:49:55,180 --> 00:49:58,300
close. There was one day that
traffic was really bad and he

755
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:02,280
didn't make it in on time. And
he called me on the phone and

756
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:08,940
did part of the open on the
phone. Very cool, very cool.

757
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:09,600
Those

758
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,680
things happen in radio.

759
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,600
Yeah, they do. Radio is a I miss
the days of the old, you know

760
00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:19,080
when, when you were talking
about, like mom and pops? Yeah,

761
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,480
that was fun. I mean, you know

762
00:50:21,020 --> 00:50:23,900
the person, the family, or the
person, or whatever that owned

763
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:27,140
the place was in the corner
office. Oh, yeah, you saw them

764
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:30,380
every day. Yeah? Not like, now,
when you really don't know who

765
00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:33,500
the hell owns this, I don't
really know, yeah, well, it's

766
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:38,720
like, well, even the the general
managers, the general manager of

767
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,240
the last radio station I worked
at. I probably only saw her. I

768
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:46,240
can count on my hand, yeah,
probably how many times drew as

769
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,700
well. I've seen her in this
station, you know. Well, you

770
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:48,880
know,

771
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,780
back then, those stations had
staffs, you know, there were,

772
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,660
you know, there was somebody
that wrote the copy for the

773
00:50:55,660 --> 00:50:59,200
commercials. There was, you
know, two or three people that

774
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,680
were in the production
department, oh, yeah, news

775
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,440
department, you know, now
there's, you know, there's

776
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:04,800
nobody

777
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,440
there. Well, there was
camaraderie. I mean, I remember

778
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,300
we used to when I worked at
radio station here in Nashville.

779
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:17,160
It was in Madison. It used to
be, we know it, oh, W, J, R, B,

780
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:23,120
W, E, M, O, but we would go out,
and we'd go out drinking

781
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,240
together whatever, or have
dinner together. It's far

782
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:31,700
different now. It's more like
now, like in the last radio

783
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:36,560
station I was in, they, they,
you know, sales was downstairs,

784
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:37,340
programming was

785
00:51:37,340 --> 00:51:39,920
upstairs. You never see anybody,
no, well, you

786
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,320
know, that's probably a good
thing.

787
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,400
Well, I'll admit, you know,

788
00:51:46,659 --> 00:51:54,459
I'm with a station here in town
now, and I I been there three

789
00:51:54,459 --> 00:51:58,899
years, and, you know, I see
people in the hall is kind of

790
00:51:58,899 --> 00:52:02,519
like, Hi, how you doing? Right?
I have no idea who these people

791
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:07,199
are, that and I know their sales
or there's something I don't

792
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:10,139
know. Maybe it's incumbent upon
me to go, Hi, I'm Jay. And you

793
00:52:10,139 --> 00:52:10,559
know, maybe

794
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,460
are the sales staff still like
staffed to the fullest extent?

795
00:52:14,460 --> 00:52:15,540
Are they dwindling too?

796
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,620
That's a good question. That is
good question. I'm I don't

797
00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:23,660
really know. I do know that what
you know, the thing about radio

798
00:52:23,660 --> 00:52:29,240
now is, and you know, we've seen
the sales, the income results

799
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:34,700
for iHeart and cumulus just came
out here in the last week or so.

800
00:52:35,060 --> 00:52:41,800
And you know, radio revenue is
down, but digital revenue is up.

801
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,300
The podcasts are up. Yeah, as
these stations go to more of the

802
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:48,640
of the digital footprint,

803
00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:51,880
something they should have done
15 years ago, but whatever.

804
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:52,240
Yeah.

805
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:56,919
So, you know, these
conglomerates, I mean, they're

806
00:52:56,919 --> 00:53:00,839
they're catching on in realizing
that they're going to have to

807
00:53:00,839 --> 00:53:05,699
diversify their their platforms,
and not just rely on the

808
00:53:05,699 --> 00:53:06,479
transmitter.

809
00:53:06,660 --> 00:53:11,040
Well, you know, what's sad to
me, though, in a way, is that I

810
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,220
miss the old days of radio when
it was theater of the mind,

811
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:20,540
because I think a lot of I was
telling somebody in radio, this

812
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:26,420
may have been, you Jay, where I
said, you know, I know it was.

813
00:53:26,420 --> 00:53:29,240
It was producer of Michael del
giorno show,

814
00:53:30,619 --> 00:53:32,479
and was his name, Jim?

815
00:53:35,179 --> 00:53:39,859
Maybe Chris, no, Chris No, but
you know his name is Jeff. Great

816
00:53:39,859 --> 00:53:42,999
talent. Great radio talent,
actually. But I was telling

817
00:53:42,999 --> 00:53:47,199
Jeff, I said, you know, if, if
the Phil Valentine show had come

818
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:51,759
around now, I said, I doubt we'd
be able to do dancing in the

819
00:53:51,759 --> 00:53:57,639
booth, or, you know, the other
things like snowflake, or any of

820
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,599
the other thing, because Phil
was such a genius at theater of

821
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:03,899
the mind, and that's why I
really miss about radio today,

822
00:54:03,899 --> 00:54:07,199
is the theater of the mind
stuff, because now you're on

823
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:12,959
camera, and it's a lot
different. I mean, it's it's

824
00:54:12,959 --> 00:54:17,099
changed, and I'm not saying it's
changed for the worse. It's just

825
00:54:17,099 --> 00:54:21,379
for me, I miss that theater of
the mind when I didn't know who

826
00:54:21,379 --> 00:54:23,719
the guy I didn't know what the
guy looked like, I didn't know

827
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,439
what the girl looked like. You
know, there were times when

828
00:54:27,439 --> 00:54:31,279
you'd hear a girl on the radio
and you'd think, wow, I bet

829
00:54:31,279 --> 00:54:36,499
she's hot. And then you'd, well,
that's about anybody radio. We

830
00:54:36,619 --> 00:54:38,059
all had faces for radio.

831
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:42,100
Hey, we're gonna be live over
here at the Woolworth come meet

832
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:42,400
us.

833
00:54:43,780 --> 00:54:49,960
I met a guy at a function we had
at WT n, it was for a Dave

834
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,460
Ramsey, when Dave was on there.
And this guy comes up to me, and

835
00:54:54,460 --> 00:54:58,240
he goes, You're Johnny B I went,
Yes, sir, I am. He goes, You're

836
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:00,600
not what I expected. And I said,
well. You're not what I

837
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,840
expected, either. And he got
mad. I was like, well, you

838
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,000
started Italian radio

839
00:55:07,139 --> 00:55:09,539
people that are fascinated, or
they something they don't like

840
00:55:09,539 --> 00:55:10,499
about you. Or

841
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:13,680
there was a woman one time that
came up to me. It was at a UT

842
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:18,720
thing that WAC was doing, and
this woman comes up to me and

843
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:23,720
asks if it was me. And I said,
Yeah. She goes, Are you Johnny?

844
00:55:23,780 --> 00:55:25,880
I pictured you being fat like
Rush Limbaugh

845
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:28,400
I'm working on I

846
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:37,400
remember we had Dr Laura on our
station in Vegas, and you all I

847
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,880
ever saw of her were the
pictures we had on the walls and

848
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,000
stuff like that. So it was the
first time ever, I thought, time

849
00:55:43,060 --> 00:55:45,520
I ever I thought there was other
pictures that came out maybe,

850
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,360
but she came into the station to
do her show one time, and she

851
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,640
was walking down the hall and it
was like, oh my, wow. The

852
00:55:58,180 --> 00:56:01,920
Photoshop wasn't invented yet.
Like, that's a lot of Vaseline

853
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:08,220
on the lens. I mean, like a
leather handbag, yeah. I mean,

854
00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:10,860
my good and she was, she was
cordial, she was nice. And it's

855
00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:13,500
funny about these people when
you come across, especially like

856
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:17,160
talk show hosts, yes, Phil, I
think, was always on, you know,

857
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,440
I'm from what I know of him. He
was always kind of like, you

858
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,720
know, you knew more intimately.
But a lot of these people I met,

859
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,680
you know, I worked with Sean
Hannity and Dr Laura Tom Lycus

860
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,680
came in one time and did his
show off the air. They're

861
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,740
completely different. Well, I
always heard that about rush

862
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,880
Howard, the same thing. Yeah,
he's a very shy, introverted guy

863
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:41,380
and, you know, very appreciative
of people. But once that mic

864
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:43,600
turns on, he becomes the
character, yeah, the acerbic,

865
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:44,260
yeah.

866
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:48,220
I think that's way Rush was too.
I asked people that met rush

867
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,880
what he was like off, and they
said, man, very shy guy, yeah,

868
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,300
very kind of withdrawn. I'm
really disappointed in Howard

869
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:57,460
Stern. I used to really like how

870
00:56:57,460 --> 00:56:59,860
we're talking we're talking
about deaths in the previous

871
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,820
episode, and we forgot to
mention his, uh, career,

872
00:57:03,180 --> 00:57:05,220
yeah, it's, it's well. And what

873
00:57:06,540 --> 00:57:11,640
really turned me against him was
when Phil died of covid, with

874
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:15,420
every two other talk show hosts
died about the same time. And

875
00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:20,960
Howard Stern was asked about it,
and his reply was good. And I

876
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,980
thought, yeah, what a horrible,
what a horrible, yeah. I thought

877
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:28,700
you were better than that. And
ever since then, I just, and

878
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:31,340
then, when he went real woke, I
just thought

879
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:34,339
he became the exact kind of
person that he used to make fun

880
00:57:34,339 --> 00:57:35,419
of, yeah, yeah.

881
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,020
Well, I understand too, is, I
think they said, ever since he

882
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:40,040
married his new

883
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,300
he became bougie, yeah? Well,

884
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,960
they said he's also a lot of his
workers have said, the people

885
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:53,440
that work with him have said
that he really relishes being

886
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,100
fond over by celebrities. He
wants to be invited to celebrity

887
00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:00,900
parties, what he always wanted.
And that's what he's playing to

888
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:04,320
basically, totally and when you
do that, it's over. I mean, he

889
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,960
may as well if you're not
playing to that audience in

890
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:07,920
front of you. Yeah.

891
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,680
Well, you know, apparently he
and Donald Trump were big

892
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,880
buddies. There were times Trump
was on his show a lot

893
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,360
and, well, even David Letterman
and David Letterman used to have

894
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:19,260
Trump on all the

895
00:58:20,580 --> 00:58:24,440
time. Stick your flag in the
soil, man, and you draw a line

896
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,080
in the sand, that you're gonna
polarize people well.

897
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,600
And it's like we were talking
about Steve Earle, Dixie,

898
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,900
chicks, folks like that. You
know, if you get political, it's

899
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:37,160
like a, I had a an artist. Tell
me, I won't say who it was, but

900
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:42,100
they were working one of these
cruise ships, and they said

901
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,720
there was an artist that went on
stage and started blasting

902
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:52,720
Barack Obama, who was it
president at the time? And they

903
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:58,300
said the audience walked out on
the next night, another artist

904
00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:06,540
came on and was knocking Donald
Trump and said the audience once

905
00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:11,640
again walked out. You're either
going to, if you get, if you

906
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,960
step into the political fray, if
you're a recording artist, I

907
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,140
think you're going to end up,
you're going to lose half your

908
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:19,860
audience.

909
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,740
Well, you know, you look at what
Al Dean did with try that in a

910
00:59:24,740 --> 00:59:28,940
small town, he's unapologetic
about it, even to the point

911
00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:31,940
where it spurred off a podcast,
which is the one I produced.

912
00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:36,380
Yes, what drew me to that was I
know those guys. I know you

913
00:59:36,380 --> 00:59:41,020
know, Kurt and Tully through my
relationship with rich, but the

914
00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:43,960
other two guys, kalo and Neil,
who are their other songwriters,

915
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,760
are also legendary songwriters
here in town. But yeah, man, I

916
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,420
said I am really intrigued by
the fact that you guys are doing

917
00:59:52,420 --> 00:59:56,080
this because it's a risk. It's a
very left leaning town.

918
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,380
And yeah, well, especially now
that music business, and in

919
00:59:59,380 --> 01:00:03,240
fact, you have. Had when you
were on the radio, you had an

920
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,480
artist on that was talking about
how music row has changed. Yes,

921
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,660
not Darrell Worley, yeah, it's
not. It's not like Daryl Worley

922
01:00:09,660 --> 01:00:09,900
is a

923
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:13,560
great guy, yeah, with a podcast,
by the way, yeah, yes, he does,

924
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,340
yes, he does. Yeah. We're going
to try to game on. Yeah. I think

925
01:00:17,340 --> 01:00:18,000
we can get it.

926
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,100
I think so too. But I think
that's the, I mean, I don't mind

927
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:25,880
a song, you know, like I was
talking about Steve, I didn't

928
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,260
mind hearing songs in concert
that I could tell were left

929
01:00:30,260 --> 01:00:35,780
leaning. But it's the, it's the
when you start grandstand, when

930
01:00:35,780 --> 01:00:39,860
you start making speeches,
political speeches, on stage,

931
01:00:39,860 --> 01:00:43,240
and you're an artist. You mean,
it's done.

932
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:47,739
I mean, you know, you go back to
the Merle Haggard days, yes,

933
01:00:47,739 --> 01:00:51,579
during the Vietnam War, you
know, fight inside of me. Yeah,

934
01:00:51,579 --> 01:00:56,799
some of these that were deemed
to be okie from Muskogee deemed

935
01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:01,859
to be kind of almost right,
right wing, conservative but

936
01:01:01,859 --> 01:01:05,519
that's not who Haggard was. No,
he was not, you know, he was

937
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:09,839
more left leaning, yeah, he was
in in terms of his political

938
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:13,439
stance, yeah. But he certainly
had, you know, kind of made the,

939
01:01:13,919 --> 01:01:18,119
you know, planted his flag in
the sand, if you will, on on the

940
01:01:18,179 --> 01:01:19,799
kind of conservative side.

941
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,880
Well, even Johnny Cash. A lot of
people thought Johnny Cash was

942
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:28,040
conservative. He wasn't really.
He was very, very fact. He was

943
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:32,600
very Al Gore. He wanted Al Gore
to he Oh, yeah,

944
01:01:33,380 --> 01:01:38,360
but yeah. But, you know, you can
be patriotic, yes, without being

945
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,900
conservative. You know? I mean
the Johnny Cash with the rugged,

946
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:47,680
old flag, yeah, ragged old flag.
It old flag, yeah, you know, and

947
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,320
that, that is just a
masterpiece.

948
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,800
Well, if you've ever seen the
there's a, I think you can see

949
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:59,560
it on to be maybe, but it's a
highway men in concert, and

950
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,600
Johnny Cash does ragged, old
flag, and he said, he said, I'm

951
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:08,340
proud to be from a country that
will allow somebody to burn the

952
01:02:08,340 --> 01:02:12,120
flag. He said that, you know, in
the audience really didn't do

953
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,240
much to that, but he says, I'm
also proud to be from a country

954
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,360
that if you burn my flag, I've
got the right to shoot you.

955
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:26,600
That's right there. Joe, but,

956
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:33,260
yeah, radio, back to radio. It's
changed a lot. It had to. And in

957
01:02:33,260 --> 01:02:36,620
fact, as you pointed out, they
were late to the they were very

958
01:02:36,620 --> 01:02:36,980
late.

959
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:38,780
They're little, they're
laggards. I mean, it's, you

960
01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:42,400
know, and it's to be fair. You
know, you have to, obviously

961
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,280
nurture your revenue stream,
where it comes from, make sure

962
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,880
that's that's happening. But,
you know, it was kind of a catch

963
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,240
22 you know, to kind of be a
very, you know, devil's advocate

964
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:57,220
approach to this is, I we get
it, you know, you know where

965
01:02:57,220 --> 01:02:59,860
you're, where you're, where your
bills are being paid, right? But

966
01:02:59,860 --> 01:03:02,400
to kind of all of a sudden try
and pivot. But, I mean, I don't

967
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,420
think anybody could really see
how fast this pivoted. And I was

968
01:03:06,420 --> 01:03:09,780
actually gonna say maybe for
another episode, do a topic on a

969
01:03:09,780 --> 01:03:13,020
radio guys perspective on
podcasters. Yeah, really good

970
01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:18,660
topic, you know. But basically,
it's just amazing to me that

971
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,000
podcasting kind of did come up
right around Oh 708, and I think

972
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,960
podcasting is the big thorn in
the side of radio right now. It

973
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,300
certainly has been, you know,
with all the different digital

974
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:34,160
offerings in Oh 708, it kind of
it crested and then went away,

975
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,700
but it came back with a force
in, like, 2014 2015

976
01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:43,479
it did, you know, and you know,
I totally like in my situation.

977
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:46,599
I think I've even told you this
the time you interviewed me on

978
01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:52,839
your podcast, I totally got why
I was let go, and that's why I

979
01:03:52,839 --> 01:03:57,339
didn't take it as personally as
some people did. I understand

980
01:03:57,339 --> 01:04:00,359
there are still some audience
members that, oh yeah, yeah,

981
01:04:00,359 --> 01:04:03,299
which I appreciate. Don't get me
wrong, I appreciate that

982
01:04:03,299 --> 01:04:07,979
loyalty, but I totally got while
I because I think they were

983
01:04:07,979 --> 01:04:12,479
want, Phil is gone, the
station's going to have to

984
01:04:12,479 --> 01:04:18,419
change to stay alive. And I
totally got why they did what

985
01:04:18,419 --> 01:04:22,099
they did because they wanted.
That they have to change. You

986
01:04:22,099 --> 01:04:25,399
have to change or you're not
going to stay alive. And I

987
01:04:25,399 --> 01:04:28,399
totally got it. Didn't take it
personally. The only thing I

988
01:04:28,399 --> 01:04:32,659
took personally was the way they
did it, yeah, and that's, that's

989
01:04:32,839 --> 01:04:37,399
kind of I would have rather had
a face to face, yeah, you

990
01:04:37,399 --> 01:04:40,839
deserve that, rather than a
that's the only thing I had

991
01:04:40,839 --> 01:04:45,339
against the whole firing was the
was the, you know, doing it by

992
01:04:45,339 --> 01:04:50,019
computer on at home when I was
just there, just like an hour or

993
01:04:50,019 --> 01:04:53,499
two before, where you could have
called me into an office and

994
01:04:53,739 --> 01:04:57,819
said goodbye, and maybe they
were afraid. Maybe I have an

995
01:04:57,819 --> 01:05:01,559
image of, oh, he might, you
know, he'll. Will. He'll get

996
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:05,759
violent. He'll, oh, yeah, that's
you. You know, that's me, but,

997
01:05:05,819 --> 01:05:09,179
yeah, I wish it had been done
that way. But I have to say,

998
01:05:09,179 --> 01:05:13,739
though, the program director,
Paul, fantastic about it. I

999
01:05:13,739 --> 01:05:18,419
mean, he was a gentleman, and
even called me later, just check

1000
01:05:18,419 --> 01:05:21,379
on your Yeah, he did. He said, I
just want to make sure your

1001
01:05:21,379 --> 01:05:24,439
eyes, man, I'm cool. And he
said, Well, be sure to sign your

1002
01:05:24,919 --> 01:05:29,059
I said, signed and done. He
said, already that's yes, it's

1003
01:05:29,059 --> 01:05:29,479
done.

1004
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,800
John, you know, as you've told
me, yeah, you know that whole

1005
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,940
thing going down. Certainly,
while you don't take it

1006
01:05:37,940 --> 01:05:41,800
personally, it still hurts after
invest, sure, after investing a

1007
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,580
couple of decades, and your
passion, you know, but, but

1008
01:05:45,580 --> 01:05:49,240
you've told me that you've,
you've actually felt lighter,

1009
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,960
though, that it was a relief in
one respect. Well, it

1010
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:57,040
was, I remember the day it
happened, my wife, you know, we

1011
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:01,620
were on the front porch, and we
were talking about it, and she's

1012
01:06:01,620 --> 01:06:05,460
sitting there bawling, you know,
she's crying, and she goes, Why

1013
01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:10,620
are you not more upset? And I
said, Because I'm free. Yeah,

1014
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,520
you know, now I can, now I can
kind of do some things I've

1015
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:19,260
wanted to do. I'm I'm not. And
to be honest, as much as I love

1016
01:06:19,260 --> 01:06:22,580
Radio, I'm not a big fan of the
corporations that own them.

1017
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,120
That's nothing against those
corporations, but it's just not

1018
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,900
the radio that I grew to love,
right? That's not the radio that

1019
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:36,320
I love, and I have to tell you,
and I thank you for this, is

1020
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,300
that that's why I love this. I
love podcasting, Jim, because

1021
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:45,040
you're right. It's, it's, it's
the future. You're still needed,

1022
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:50,200
man. And the thing is, Phil
Valentine, before he died, I

1023
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,680
think Phil was going to leave
radio. I really do. I think he

1024
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,660
had had his fill of it, and he
had talked to me. He he wanted

1025
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,660
to, he wanted to start a podcast
network of his own. And I think

1026
01:07:03,660 --> 01:07:07,980
he wanted to, he said he wanted
me to do one on music. He said,

1027
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:11,100
I think he'd be great at that.
He said, that's your future. I

1028
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:14,460
think he wanted to do one for
Pamela fur. He really loved her

1029
01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:18,600
and believed in her. And so I
think that's the route he was

1030
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:23,840
going anyway. And so this just
seemed a logical way to go. And

1031
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,860
I appreciate you for for, you
know, inspiring me to do this.

1032
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,080
Very welcome. You know, it's
like when you believe in

1033
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,840
somewhat what somebody is doing.
That's the thing is that I think

1034
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,300
a lot of people see what I or
hear what I say. They think I'm

1035
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,300
throwing shade on on radio. I'm
not. I'm throwing, I'm throwing

1036
01:07:38,420 --> 01:07:40,700
shade on the ownership groups,
the people that didn't pivot

1037
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,980
hard enough. It's like you're
supposed to be a creative

1038
01:07:42,980 --> 01:07:45,220
supposed to be a creative
industry. Be creative. Yes,

1039
01:07:45,220 --> 01:07:49,180
that's what's missing. And, and,
you know, excuse me, you're

1040
01:07:49,180 --> 01:07:51,640
getting your butt kicked by
people that are in rooms like

1041
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:55,420
this, yes, that are building
massive audiences. Joe Rogan's

1042
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,860
audiences. You Who would have
thought that, right? Who would

1043
01:07:59,860 --> 01:08:02,400
have thought that? But he
started, no seven. Yeah, he did.

1044
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:03,660
He started podcast.

1045
01:08:03,659 --> 01:08:06,539
Yeah, he got in there early.
Well, I mean, I just saw where,

1046
01:08:07,079 --> 01:08:11,759
you know, Taylor Swift on the
podcast, new heights. What was

1047
01:08:11,759 --> 01:08:17,039
it? 10 million, 10 million
viewers on the podcast with the,

1048
01:08:18,059 --> 01:08:21,379
with the Kelsey folks. And
that's the new heights

1049
01:08:21,379 --> 01:08:25,999
broadcast, so, you know. And of
course, announcing her new

1050
01:08:25,999 --> 01:08:30,739
album, which is going crazy so
you know, she's not out there

1051
01:08:30,739 --> 01:08:35,599
promoting her album on radio.
She promotes it on a 10 million

1052
01:08:35,599 --> 01:08:39,979
viewed podcast. And that crazy
is that, of course, you know,

1053
01:08:39,979 --> 01:08:43,719
that's another level, you know,
but nonetheless, it does show

1054
01:08:43,719 --> 01:08:45,459
you the power, yeah,

1055
01:08:45,459 --> 01:08:47,079
how things are changing, right?

1056
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,800
And I think I'll make a
prediction a lot of the artists,

1057
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,100
especially, you know, there's,
you know, if you're an A list

1058
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:58,180
country artist, it's about a 20
year run, right, right? Some

1059
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people are the exception to the
rule. But I will make a

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prediction that a lot of the
artists that you know I've kind

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of done the thing that you know.
John Rich has done the thing

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right? He's toured, he's been an
artist and everything. He's more

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of a pontificator Now, political
commentator, they're gonna start

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turning towards podcasting. I
think you see a lot more artist

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driven podcasts, and when that
happens, it's your show.co. Is

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the place to go.

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Well, I gotta hand it to Dan
manges and Chris and it station.

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I used to work at WT, and
they've got a great podcast,

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right? And Matt Murphy and Matt
Murphy, Cam Smith, or Yes, so, I

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mean, so that's, that's what's
happening with your with your

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radio personalities now is that
they have their own

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podcast so we're not
broadcasters anymore. We're

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podcasters, and that's why we
want you to return to circling

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the drain, because it'll be back
and we'll have a great show

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lined up for you with Jay Harper
and, of course, old Chris. You.

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Here me. Chris. Jim McCarthy,

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Jimmy Chris McCarthy.

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Jimmy Z, now. Johnny B, we
appreciate you joining us on

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circling the DRE you.