WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.683 --> 00:00:27.193 Becky: Hello and welcome, Becky. 00:00:27.233 --> 00:00:28.953 I'm super happy to have you here today. 00:00:29.783 --> 00:00:31.733 Hello, thank you for having me. 00:00:32.063 --> 00:00:33.013 A little bit nervous. 00:00:33.533 --> 00:00:34.733 Oh, don't worry about that. 00:00:34.733 --> 00:00:36.200 What do we need 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:36.933 Anke: to know? 00:00:36.933 --> 00:00:37.923 I have treats here. 00:00:39.553 --> 00:00:40.203 Yeah, I've got treats. 00:00:41.813 --> 00:00:42.283 Just kidding. 00:00:45.443 --> 00:00:49.803 Let people know where you're based and so what's your business with dogs? 00:00:51.188 --> 00:00:57.108 Becky: Um, I'm based in the UK, in the middle of the UK, in a little town called 00:00:57.108 --> 00:00:59.078 Bromsgrove, which is in Worcestershire. 00:01:00.258 --> 00:01:06.588 And I left veterinary nursing after a 32 year career as I was becoming 00:01:06.588 --> 00:01:12.038 just a little bit disenchanted with the way veterinary was going and the 00:01:12.038 --> 00:01:15.358 corporate nature of it and whatever, and wondered what I could do. 00:01:15.368 --> 00:01:18.348 Well, I've been doing, uh, behaviour work. 00:01:18.778 --> 00:01:23.878 in house for 15 years, always, always had an interest in dog training 00:01:24.158 --> 00:01:26.408 and behavior of cats as well. 00:01:26.498 --> 00:01:29.428 So I've got a qualification in cat behavior as well, however, 00:01:31.378 --> 00:01:33.208 and made the decision to leave. 00:01:33.258 --> 00:01:37.358 And it was, I was getting into a little bad place in my head and 00:01:37.368 --> 00:01:39.438 you know, what does a veterinary nurse do when they leave? 00:01:39.528 --> 00:01:45.218 It's, it's been a passion, an absolute, um, vocation of mine all my life. 00:01:45.718 --> 00:01:46.228 So I 00:01:49.178 --> 00:01:49.978 investigated. 00:01:50.968 --> 00:01:52.178 The world of dog training. 00:01:52.618 --> 00:01:53.278 Could I do it? 00:01:53.278 --> 00:01:53.828 Could I do it? 00:01:53.828 --> 00:01:55.338 Well, I've been doing it for 15 years. 00:01:55.338 --> 00:01:56.178 I've done it with all my own. 00:01:56.818 --> 00:02:00.478 So I started doing courses, one thing and another, and set up Becky's 00:02:00.478 --> 00:02:04.498 Doggy Business, which is actually my initials, Becky Delibovey. 00:02:05.428 --> 00:02:08.688 So, yeah, it was kind of a bit of a, when you say Becky's Doggy 00:02:08.688 --> 00:02:10.538 Business, people go, uh huh. 00:02:10.748 --> 00:02:12.808 So I put, and cat care on the end as well. 00:02:12.928 --> 00:02:14.648 So I do pop in cat care appointments. 00:02:15.038 --> 00:02:16.578 So yes, I do one to ones. 00:02:16.578 --> 00:02:17.578 I don't do classes. 00:02:17.598 --> 00:02:18.398 I go around. 00:02:19.223 --> 00:02:23.720 And mainly for me, that's because I'd observed a lot of training classes, 00:02:23.720 --> 00:02:28.488 um, I used to go around and observe a lot of training classes before we 00:02:28.648 --> 00:02:34.308 would agree to recommend them from the veterinary surgery, and my word went. 00:02:34.338 --> 00:02:37.468 It was positive, reward based, or nothing kind of thing. 00:02:37.988 --> 00:02:40.238 And, um, hello, old girl. 00:02:40.308 --> 00:02:41.058 The old girl's coming. 00:02:42.228 --> 00:02:49.048 And so, um, Yeah, I took it from there, but I realized that on a one to one basis, 00:02:49.098 --> 00:02:55.818 people were getting a lot more bespoke, concentrated, and for them, rather than, 00:02:56.188 --> 00:03:00.578 and I'm not dissing classes, they have their place, certainly, but having watched 00:03:00.588 --> 00:03:06.413 them, you could see that in a room of ten people, clients with puppies that four or 00:03:06.413 --> 00:03:11.053 five of them were winging it, just getting through it, embarrassed, not doing stuff. 00:03:11.053 --> 00:03:13.563 So I used to run across and try and help those individually and then they'd 00:03:14.253 --> 00:03:17.463 leave knowing what to do type thing. 00:03:17.813 --> 00:03:23.033 Um, so yeah, I do one to ones and so I'll get, well, what people 00:03:23.033 --> 00:03:24.583 class as behavioural issues. 00:03:24.593 --> 00:03:28.083 Sometimes it's training and sometimes it is behaviour. 00:03:29.163 --> 00:03:30.553 Anke: So, so what's. 00:03:31.713 --> 00:03:34.763 Well, I mean, first of all, I'm always curious, like, when somebody leaves, 00:03:34.763 --> 00:03:38.403 like, a job to start their own thing, is it what you thought it would be, 00:03:38.413 --> 00:03:40.903 or is it better, harder, different? 00:03:41.453 --> 00:03:42.753 What's it like to be a boss? 00:03:42.763 --> 00:03:42.893 I 00:03:42.913 --> 00:03:48.763 Becky: definitely had a mourning, um, period of time, and I was missing it, 00:03:48.823 --> 00:03:54.833 but when, and one of these, I mean, my boss just said, there's always a job 00:03:54.883 --> 00:03:56.913 here, please come back, and I just went. 00:03:58.018 --> 00:04:02.938 I never go back, and I went, sorry, and I was all crying, you know, 00:04:02.938 --> 00:04:04.288 it was a big emotional thing. 00:04:05.018 --> 00:04:08.908 Um, so I made it work. 00:04:09.018 --> 00:04:13.698 It was hellishly stressful, because as we've already, um, 00:04:14.278 --> 00:04:15.488 sussed out, I'm not terribly tech. 00:04:17.318 --> 00:04:19.178 But me, you know, things like that. 00:04:19.333 --> 00:04:20.673 Setting up a Facebook page. 00:04:20.673 --> 00:04:22.803 People had to do it for me and whatever. 00:04:22.943 --> 00:04:26.573 Now I just click it, you know, Instagram, that kind of a thing. 00:04:27.323 --> 00:04:28.343 Online banking. 00:04:29.183 --> 00:04:33.623 God, it was just, it was, it was a massive, it was like a big learning curve. 00:04:34.113 --> 00:04:38.943 Um, and then things started to slot into place and I was absolutely astounded 00:04:39.023 --> 00:04:48.568 when people started asking me for my services and very humble, humbled by it. 00:04:48.968 --> 00:04:53.188 Um, in fact, the imposter syndrome, I think is something that affects a lot of 00:04:53.218 --> 00:04:56.368 people and I was heavily burdened with it. 00:04:56.648 --> 00:05:00.368 Less so now, it's just gone eight years in, you'd think. 00:05:00.788 --> 00:05:08.148 Um, but in 2019, I took part in, don't even ask me why I entered, because I 00:05:08.408 --> 00:05:11.238 trembled from the minute I pressed enter. 00:05:12.433 --> 00:05:17.203 Dog Trainer of the Year competition, which was held, yeah, at Battersea Dogs 00:05:17.213 --> 00:05:22.783 Home for a week, Monday to Friday, um, where we got given three dogs, well 00:05:22.783 --> 00:05:27.253 we picked out randomly three dogs, and I got, you know, a greyhound. 00:05:27.818 --> 00:05:28.948 You think they can't be trained? 00:05:29.068 --> 00:05:29.808 This one could. 00:05:29.888 --> 00:05:32.178 They didn't think it could be, but we made progress. 00:05:32.758 --> 00:05:38.158 A very, very sad little Westie had been separated from its sibling because it 00:05:38.158 --> 00:05:44.028 was just in season and had been placed at Battersea by the family of its owner. 00:05:44.028 --> 00:05:47.688 That owner had gone into hospital and that just absolutely nearly killed me. 00:05:47.688 --> 00:05:51.273 And she was almost like, Where, where, where's, where's Timmy? 00:05:51.273 --> 00:05:52.033 Where's my friend? 00:05:52.103 --> 00:05:52.883 Where's my friend? 00:05:52.993 --> 00:05:54.153 And I'm going, oh my god. 00:05:54.723 --> 00:05:58.493 And then a rampant little Paterdale Terrier who had got a cover 00:05:58.493 --> 00:05:59.683 across the front of the couch. 00:05:59.683 --> 00:06:02.266 She was absolutely reactive to the hilt. 00:06:02.266 --> 00:06:06.063 Um, got a special mention for her at the end of the competition 00:06:06.073 --> 00:06:07.753 saying she'd made the most progress. 00:06:08.033 --> 00:06:09.523 The cover wasn't on a thing now. 00:06:09.523 --> 00:06:11.513 She was sitting politely and whatever. 00:06:12.043 --> 00:06:15.693 And I came like, it was like a split decision second. 00:06:16.423 --> 00:06:22.273 Second, um, between me and another lovely, lovely trainer, who's a friend 00:06:22.283 --> 00:06:24.653 of mine now, because of that competition. 00:06:25.233 --> 00:06:29.033 Um, yeah, her dog had got moved from the main kennels to the 00:06:29.033 --> 00:06:30.373 homing section on the day. 00:06:31.083 --> 00:06:35.703 And she had to go and perform it in a new environment, so that added to criteria. 00:06:36.593 --> 00:06:37.833 And she got there and she won. 00:06:38.203 --> 00:06:39.313 And that was the difference. 00:06:39.343 --> 00:06:40.613 But yeah, it came second. 00:06:40.613 --> 00:06:43.203 So I kind of shed a few layers of imposter syndrome. 00:06:43.203 --> 00:06:43.913 I bet. 00:06:43.993 --> 00:06:44.433 I bet. 00:06:44.433 --> 00:06:45.083 That day. 00:06:45.083 --> 00:06:48.428 And, um, I asked the people who organised it, I am allowed to 00:06:48.428 --> 00:06:50.388 call myself a dog trainer or am I? 00:06:50.398 --> 00:06:54.168 And they went, well, if you effing can't, we effing can't. 00:06:54.168 --> 00:06:58.188 Both: So, 00:06:58.368 --> 00:07:03.728 Anke: so when you look at across sort of your clients, like what are their sort 00:07:03.728 --> 00:07:06.738 of typical things people struggle with? 00:07:06.768 --> 00:07:09.908 Is there something where you think, oh boy, I wish people knew this thing? 00:07:10.583 --> 00:07:11.913 Is there something you wish people knew? 00:07:13.423 --> 00:07:19.783 Becky: Relationship, bonding is the singular most important 00:07:19.843 --> 00:07:21.903 thing to have with your dog. 00:07:22.343 --> 00:07:26.693 A dog that wants to be with you, a dog that's looking at you, not 00:07:27.173 --> 00:07:32.123 looking at you, but looking at you, um, and that wants to be with you. 00:07:32.253 --> 00:07:36.133 You'll never have to teach a dog recall that wants to be with you. 00:07:38.943 --> 00:07:39.493 Simple. 00:07:40.153 --> 00:07:44.803 Um, but in terms of issues, the ones that people have is their 00:07:44.803 --> 00:07:47.093 dog barks at other dogs on lead. 00:07:47.233 --> 00:07:49.163 Um, do you ever let yours off the lead? 00:07:49.233 --> 00:07:50.633 I can't, it won't come back. 00:07:50.963 --> 00:07:51.963 Relationship. 00:07:53.383 --> 00:07:54.373 So how does one 00:07:54.373 --> 00:07:57.433 Anke: go and say, if I have a dog where I'm thinking, Oh, I 00:07:57.493 --> 00:07:59.683 don't trust you to be off lead. 00:08:00.063 --> 00:08:02.663 And I don't trust the relationship I have with you. 00:08:03.053 --> 00:08:07.813 So what's sort of the first step to, to build that or repair that? 00:08:07.823 --> 00:08:09.533 Or how, where do you even start? 00:08:09.533 --> 00:08:13.163 Because I think when somebody is at this place was like, Oh, I don't trust my dog. 00:08:13.163 --> 00:08:15.553 My dog, my dog doesn't trust me. 00:08:15.823 --> 00:08:17.763 You know, what's the first step to break through that? 00:08:19.083 --> 00:08:19.573 Becky: Um, yeah. 00:08:19.573 --> 00:08:22.903 So I always say about building up a relationship with a dog, 00:08:22.923 --> 00:08:26.433 it's, it's, it's a mutual, it's a mutual thing and it's trust. 00:08:26.433 --> 00:08:27.303 It's trust from them. 00:08:27.313 --> 00:08:32.313 And you can, you can take away from that trust account, or you can add to it. 00:08:32.593 --> 00:08:33.738 If I sit, I sit. 00:08:34.008 --> 00:08:36.658 If the dog sits, I go, yes, and give them their dinner. 00:08:36.898 --> 00:08:38.708 She just gone nuts because I said, yes, yes. 00:08:39.468 --> 00:08:40.428 She was like, where's my dinner? 00:08:41.698 --> 00:08:42.648 I'll just pay for it. 00:08:42.648 --> 00:08:43.958 There you go, sweetheart. 00:08:44.858 --> 00:08:50.008 So, um, so, and I always say, say it like, where's, I'll say that 00:08:50.068 --> 00:08:51.438 to people and then they go, yes. 00:08:51.578 --> 00:08:54.678 And I go, see the difference? 00:08:54.678 --> 00:08:55.478 Same word. 00:08:55.858 --> 00:08:57.818 Tone, pitch and inflection is massive. 00:08:58.128 --> 00:08:59.341 So I always go, Yes! 00:08:59.341 --> 00:08:59.990 Get it! 00:08:59.990 --> 00:09:00.639 Well done! 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:01.288 That's lovely. 00:09:01.288 --> 00:09:03.858 You can add all the good boys in and everything afterwards. 00:09:04.068 --> 00:09:06.078 And you see them, they're going, Did I please you? 00:09:06.148 --> 00:09:06.948 Did I please you? 00:09:07.208 --> 00:09:09.588 And then you just hold the food, they sit and you go, Yes! 00:09:10.008 --> 00:09:10.258 Get it! 00:09:11.318 --> 00:09:12.718 That, that's how I do it. 00:09:13.278 --> 00:09:17.238 Um, if I hold my hand like that and dogs are naturally curious and they come 00:09:17.238 --> 00:09:18.948 and do and they go, what have you got? 00:09:19.028 --> 00:09:20.488 As they do it, I'll say, touch. 00:09:20.488 --> 00:09:20.937 Yes! 00:09:20.937 --> 00:09:21.834 Nice work! 00:09:21.834 --> 00:09:23.180 You're so clever! 00:09:23.180 --> 00:09:26.418 And then I might add a little bit of movement into it so they want 00:09:26.568 --> 00:09:31.189 to touch it rather than going, touch it, touch it, touch it. 00:09:31.189 --> 00:09:34.145 What, what, what are you doing? 00:09:34.145 --> 00:09:34.638 Yeah? 00:09:34.638 --> 00:09:36.198 Um, house training. 00:09:37.398 --> 00:09:41.868 For example, people go, Pick him up and put him outside. 00:09:42.058 --> 00:09:44.838 How horrifically scary is that for a puppy? 00:09:45.448 --> 00:09:47.788 Whereas I'm just going to go, My mistake. 00:09:47.848 --> 00:09:49.258 Get the cloth, wipe it off. 00:09:50.118 --> 00:09:51.168 Absolutely nothing. 00:09:51.528 --> 00:09:56.768 But out there, when I've taken baby puppy out with the bladder the size 00:09:56.768 --> 00:10:00.338 of a pea, It's a word that needs to go that often and they get it right. 00:10:00.538 --> 00:10:01.268 I go, Wee wees! 00:10:01.838 --> 00:10:04.191 And just as they finish, Yes! 00:10:04.191 --> 00:10:05.439 Get it! 00:10:05.439 --> 00:10:06.064 Party! 00:10:06.064 --> 00:10:06.688 Party! 00:10:06.688 --> 00:10:09.018 And they go, Oh my God, this is amazing! 00:10:09.308 --> 00:10:12.988 So all of a sudden, well I say all of a sudden, Three or four weeks 00:10:12.988 --> 00:10:16.638 in that puppy's gonna be going, I'm stood by the back door, but action, 00:10:16.888 --> 00:10:19.468 thought and consequence is so powerful. 00:10:19.708 --> 00:10:22.908 Little at that point, there's no control there. 00:10:23.148 --> 00:10:26.688 If they do a pee by the back door, don't ever, ever tell them off. 00:10:27.188 --> 00:10:27.528 Both: They 00:10:27.528 --> 00:10:31.028 Becky: will go into the place where they knew that sparked you into excitement. 00:10:31.328 --> 00:10:34.998 All you're ever doing, if you tell them off, is taking 00:10:34.998 --> 00:10:36.328 away from that trust account. 00:10:36.588 --> 00:10:40.948 We need to add to it to the point where, you know, 00:10:43.613 --> 00:10:48.453 I reckon that I could practically stitch my dog up if she cut her foot, 00:10:48.763 --> 00:10:52.033 conscious, because she trusts me so much. 00:10:52.403 --> 00:10:52.863 Oh, I love 00:10:52.863 --> 00:10:53.073 Anke: that. 00:10:53.373 --> 00:10:56.473 Actually, it reminds me when my very first dog came, I said, like, you 00:10:56.473 --> 00:10:58.553 know, and he was found in the street. 00:10:58.933 --> 00:11:01.243 And I don't know, I didn't really know anything, but I 00:11:01.243 --> 00:11:03.323 did this kind of intuitively. 00:11:03.323 --> 00:11:06.253 I would always celebrate him when he did his business outside, 00:11:06.523 --> 00:11:09.553 you know, and it was hilarious because it literally took a week. 00:11:09.793 --> 00:11:11.493 Like, he got it, like, really quickly. 00:11:11.543 --> 00:11:12.563 And then when they're five, 00:11:12.573 --> 00:11:13.573 Becky: you're still going, Wee wee! 00:11:14.853 --> 00:11:16.913 Now, the thing was that what I remember is 00:11:17.043 --> 00:11:19.703 Anke: him kind of doing his business and then looking at me 00:11:19.703 --> 00:11:22.093 like, I did a great job, didn't I? 00:11:22.123 --> 00:11:25.543 Like, so the excitement in his little face was just like, look what I've 00:11:25.543 --> 00:11:27.383 just done, look what I've done! 00:11:27.383 --> 00:11:29.423 So funny, but it worked, it really worked. 00:11:30.233 --> 00:11:36.603 Becky: Docs repeat behaviors that for them have been reinforced, albeit 00:11:36.663 --> 00:11:39.328 intentionally, All unintentionally. 00:11:39.988 --> 00:11:43.748 And I've had, I went last week to somebody's house, well he's jumping up 00:11:43.838 --> 00:11:48.368 and he's jumping up, 18 week old working cocker, he's jumping up, people as we're 00:11:48.368 --> 00:11:54.728 going in the street and everything, the husband came back from And she's 00:11:54.738 --> 00:11:58.178 like, no, no, don't let him do it. 00:11:58.178 --> 00:11:59.368 And I'm like, 00:11:59.698 --> 00:12:00.528 Anke: there's your issue. 00:12:01.428 --> 00:12:01.698 Yeah. 00:12:03.118 --> 00:12:06.158 Well, I mean, is there something like, is there one or two people, 00:12:06.738 --> 00:12:09.628 what is something that people are reinforcing without knowing? 00:12:09.978 --> 00:12:12.258 Like, is there something like a part like the jumping off thing? 00:12:12.258 --> 00:12:12.788 It's like that. 00:12:12.838 --> 00:12:14.118 I can totally see it. 00:12:14.818 --> 00:12:15.238 Becky: Pulling. 00:12:15.908 --> 00:12:16.968 Pulling on the leash. 00:12:18.288 --> 00:12:19.158 Pulling on the lead. 00:12:19.958 --> 00:12:21.348 You know, it works. 00:12:21.558 --> 00:12:22.938 I pull, you follow. 00:12:22.938 --> 00:12:25.348 I try even harder, you work. 00:12:25.388 --> 00:12:26.368 Now if you just stop. 00:12:28.278 --> 00:12:31.768 I mustn't say, I shouldn't say this, but men are notoriously difficult 00:12:31.928 --> 00:12:33.878 because their patience isn't quite. 00:12:34.258 --> 00:12:37.458 People will just look at me and go, the patience you've got, I'm waiting 00:12:37.498 --> 00:12:39.708 for the dog to make the right decision. 00:12:40.398 --> 00:12:45.208 I'm not allowing them to make choices that are going to be detrimental to them. 00:12:46.413 --> 00:12:49.793 You've created, the dog has, pressure on the lead. 00:12:49.993 --> 00:12:51.343 That means that I stop. 00:12:51.573 --> 00:12:52.983 That's negative to the dog. 00:12:53.013 --> 00:12:54.373 So there is a consequence. 00:12:54.763 --> 00:12:58.513 So although I say, where anyone says they're reward based or force free, 00:12:58.853 --> 00:13:02.203 I'm not, all I've done is stop. 00:13:02.283 --> 00:13:03.283 That's the consequence. 00:13:03.313 --> 00:13:05.763 That's the punisher, okay? 00:13:06.143 --> 00:13:07.643 I stop, the dog goes, what? 00:13:07.983 --> 00:13:11.603 Why haven't we, as they look at me, I indicate, come back to my side. 00:13:11.653 --> 00:13:13.773 As they reach the side, I go, Yes! 00:13:14.143 --> 00:13:15.413 And start walking again. 00:13:15.413 --> 00:13:18.713 Then I reach in my treat pouch and I reward them at my left leg. 00:13:19.713 --> 00:13:22.523 Two seconds later, bang, they're at the end of the lead. 00:13:22.563 --> 00:13:27.443 They've got to get to the end of the lead to realise that that, or harness pressure, 00:13:27.603 --> 00:13:30.813 means she stops and I don't get anywhere. 00:13:31.343 --> 00:13:34.138 So, I'm Conversely, what do people do? 00:13:35.578 --> 00:13:39.798 The dog's under constant pressure, so that pressure anywhere means nothing 00:13:39.798 --> 00:13:42.318 to the dog other than I'm succeeding. 00:13:42.558 --> 00:13:43.818 And that's why they pull. 00:13:45.828 --> 00:13:48.318 Anke: I actually had, I had a puller that was like, I had one 00:13:48.318 --> 00:13:50.048 that was like really strong puller. 00:13:50.548 --> 00:13:57.558 And I noticed with him, like none of that worked until he was generally, a 00:13:57.558 --> 00:14:01.858 little more settled because where we were living, he was under like information 00:14:01.878 --> 00:14:05.838 overload, like, you know, in the historic part of town, smells, noises, 00:14:06.018 --> 00:14:07.578 bicycles, people, boom, boom, boom. 00:14:07.758 --> 00:14:12.798 He was like, his stress bucket was 99 percent full all of the time, you know, 00:14:12.798 --> 00:14:16.438 and it was almost like he wouldn't, I could stop and he'd be like pulling 00:14:16.438 --> 00:14:20.068 and like, didn't even like, this didn't even register, you know, so it 00:14:20.278 --> 00:14:24.058 was literally when we moved away and his, you know, the whole environment 00:14:24.068 --> 00:14:26.068 was calmer, he started to relax. 00:14:26.383 --> 00:14:29.643 All of a sudden he walked just fine, you know, so I thought his 00:14:29.643 --> 00:14:33.903 nervous system was calm enough to even take anything in, you know. 00:14:34.073 --> 00:14:35.123 So I think there's that. 00:14:35.123 --> 00:14:35.643 But 00:14:35.643 --> 00:14:39.473 Becky: if I lived in the middle of the town and I got to do that with 00:14:39.483 --> 00:14:43.163 my, I would, and I know it's almost like I do this and I do the other. 00:14:43.843 --> 00:14:48.323 In an ideal world, I'd get into the car and drive somewhere that was at the level 00:14:48.353 --> 00:14:50.783 that they could cope with and then walk. 00:14:51.143 --> 00:14:51.503 Both: Yeah. 00:14:51.633 --> 00:14:55.213 Becky: And then, you know, maybe get somebody to drop me off so as I can walk. 00:14:55.718 --> 00:14:56.978 Back and back. 00:14:57.048 --> 00:15:00.438 And by that time, the bucket, the energy level dissipated. 00:15:00.968 --> 00:15:03.498 So yes, there isn't one approach. 00:15:03.498 --> 00:15:07.488 This is why I say to people quite often, I like to be black and white 00:15:07.498 --> 00:15:12.228 to the dog, payoff or no payoff, consequence or no consequence. 00:15:12.278 --> 00:15:15.618 The consequence being you try and barge through a door, it shuts. 00:15:17.498 --> 00:15:19.078 You move away, it opens. 00:15:19.098 --> 00:15:20.928 You try and barge through, it shuts. 00:15:20.968 --> 00:15:24.908 You try, you sit there and wait, and I go, thank you, now let's go through. 00:15:25.098 --> 00:15:25.638 Yeah? 00:15:25.778 --> 00:15:29.248 So there's consequences, but I don't mean punitive or anything like that. 00:15:29.958 --> 00:15:32.578 Um, oh, where was I going with that? 00:15:33.788 --> 00:15:37.433 But I do, yeah, so black and white, Yes, and I rarely say no. 00:15:37.433 --> 00:15:39.773 And consistency, right? 00:15:39.773 --> 00:15:41.505 There's a lot of, because you were mentioning patience. 00:15:41.505 --> 00:15:43.189 But for owners it's not black and white. 00:15:43.189 --> 00:15:44.872 But for owners it's not black and white. 00:15:44.872 --> 00:15:49.043 Because we've got to take the dog's age into consideration. 00:15:49.263 --> 00:15:53.843 Whether they're teething, when they last had a poop, you know, are we taking them 00:15:53.843 --> 00:15:57.473 straight to training class when you've been out at work all day and you've 00:15:57.473 --> 00:15:58.793 just come back and it's going bad. 00:15:58.883 --> 00:15:59.353 Boom! 00:15:59.523 --> 00:16:01.253 You're not going to get much from that. 00:16:01.253 --> 00:16:04.873 You need to kind of set up the dog for success. 00:16:05.523 --> 00:16:09.423 So it isn't just, I would ever take, you know, people would say, Oh, 00:16:09.713 --> 00:16:11.363 isn't your, isn't your puppy good? 00:16:11.363 --> 00:16:14.893 And I went into an adult class when she was just four months old and 00:16:14.893 --> 00:16:16.233 we were already doing scent work. 00:16:16.673 --> 00:16:20.323 And all I wanted her to do was some scent work in the presence of other dogs. 00:16:20.973 --> 00:16:23.823 Um, But, I've taken her for a walk. 00:16:23.823 --> 00:16:25.193 She's only had half of her dinner. 00:16:25.233 --> 00:16:26.193 She's working for dinner. 00:16:26.343 --> 00:16:26.983 Do you know what I mean? 00:16:27.013 --> 00:16:29.733 I'm setting her up for success type thing. 00:16:30.053 --> 00:16:31.163 I'm not just taking her and fizzing. 00:16:32.263 --> 00:16:40.163 So, yeah, it's not always black and white to the um, novice dog owner. 00:16:40.958 --> 00:16:45.948 Really, but I love it when people get hooked and they want to learn 00:16:45.978 --> 00:16:47.568 more and they want to do it. 00:16:47.568 --> 00:16:50.478 Okay, right now I'm digging into my bag of tricks now. 00:16:50.948 --> 00:16:54.728 Anke: Yeah, and it's so, I mean, it's also so rewarding when you see the 00:16:54.728 --> 00:16:59.978 dog responds and then there's this And I think, do you find like playing 00:16:59.978 --> 00:17:03.558 together builds relationship when you just spend a lot of time with your dog? 00:17:03.788 --> 00:17:06.158 So what do people do when they're at work for a long time? 00:17:07.168 --> 00:17:08.158 What do people do? 00:17:08.468 --> 00:17:12.578 Yeah, I mean, you know, how do you build, like, if what I'm getting at is, 00:17:12.638 --> 00:17:17.488 is will like the, or the, the, the pace or how you build that relationship, 00:17:17.808 --> 00:17:20.898 how much does it have to do, how much time you have to spend with your dog? 00:17:23.158 --> 00:17:29.568 Becky: A lot, a lot really, because, um, Again, even though I was only doing, I was 00:17:29.608 --> 00:17:34.868 part time as a veterinary nurse, mainly since I had children, for 30 years, um, 00:17:35.488 --> 00:17:39.988 yeah, um, I still had young children. 00:17:39.988 --> 00:17:44.158 You'd get back to, to, to, to, to, on Dog the Walk, you know, and it was, it 00:17:44.158 --> 00:17:45.778 was, it was more of a mechanical thing. 00:17:46.218 --> 00:17:48.958 With these two, it not so much. 00:17:48.958 --> 00:17:54.278 Flix, 14, so what my youngest would have been like 15, 16 when we had 00:17:54.278 --> 00:17:56.968 her, uh, but the oldest one and. 00:17:57.543 --> 00:18:00.673 This one, but I've never had a relationship with a dog 00:18:00.673 --> 00:18:02.063 that I've got with this one. 00:18:02.093 --> 00:18:03.833 If I'm there, she just wants to be. 00:18:04.253 --> 00:18:08.033 But not in a clingy way, she's happy being on her own as well. 00:18:08.893 --> 00:18:12.153 But if I'm there, it's always, you know, what are we doing, when are we 00:18:12.153 --> 00:18:14.103 doing it, how many times can we do it? 00:18:14.543 --> 00:18:17.763 So yeah, but it doesn't have to be hours at a time. 00:18:17.983 --> 00:18:20.743 You know, you can just pick a baller because you're going down the garden to 00:18:24.128 --> 00:18:30.458 And I just go, stop, wait, throw it, walk, and turn around and go, yeah, get 00:18:30.458 --> 00:18:33.488 it, and pull, pick a couple of weeds up and do the same on the way back. 00:18:33.498 --> 00:18:35.408 It doesn't have to be a monumental thing. 00:18:35.778 --> 00:18:40.128 Um, you know, two minutes while the kettle boils, when you've put the spuds 00:18:40.208 --> 00:18:43.108 on and you're waiting for the rice to cook, is better than no minutes. 00:18:43.348 --> 00:18:46.822 Because two minutes, seven days a week, is 14 minutes that you 00:18:46.822 --> 00:18:48.018 won't have every time you come in. 00:18:48.628 --> 00:18:51.642 I can't be training because you think it's an hour's job. 00:18:51.642 --> 00:18:55.398 An hour is actually way too much to actually do focused training. 00:18:56.288 --> 00:19:01.378 But virtually everything I do when I've got a puppy from puppy 00:19:01.418 --> 00:19:03.378 to about two years is training. 00:19:03.598 --> 00:19:07.863 Whether it's Hand on the door, she steps back, I go to open it, rather 00:19:07.863 --> 00:19:09.490 than the nose is pressed up against it. 00:19:09.490 --> 00:19:11.401 Do you know what I mean? 00:19:11.401 --> 00:19:12.993 Um, everything that I do. 00:19:13.353 --> 00:19:16.813 And you know, if I go and touch her collar, I say collar. 00:19:17.113 --> 00:19:19.153 If I'm looking at her ears, I'm going to go ears. 00:19:19.663 --> 00:19:21.213 There's an expectation. 00:19:21.633 --> 00:19:22.823 Dogs like predictability. 00:19:22.823 --> 00:19:27.262 If I go, pass me your foot, pass me your foot, or I'm just 00:19:27.262 --> 00:19:29.165 going to she knows it's ears. 00:19:29.165 --> 00:19:35.722 If I say collar, she She's almost like that because it's been rehearsed 00:19:35.722 --> 00:19:37.253 Anke: so many times. 00:19:38.113 --> 00:19:38.623 Becky: Yeah. 00:19:39.203 --> 00:19:44.423 So, um, everything that you do with them is training, actually. 00:19:44.423 --> 00:19:46.503 And, and, you know, whether you know it or 00:19:46.503 --> 00:19:48.253 Anke: not, right, whether you want it or not. 00:19:48.663 --> 00:19:49.103 Yeah. 00:19:50.043 --> 00:19:50.453 Yeah. 00:19:50.723 --> 00:19:53.883 So tell me a little bit about where you, you hinted something before we started 00:19:53.953 --> 00:19:56.833 recording, where you hinted at something I want to kind of dig in a little bit. 00:19:57.113 --> 00:20:01.203 You talked about diet, you know, like when you when you say like all 00:20:01.203 --> 00:20:02.553 this stuff to take into account. 00:20:03.098 --> 00:20:04.688 You know, I know it's a big subject. 00:20:05.838 --> 00:20:10.148 So, and I just want to kind of like, what, what is something, again, like what's one, 00:20:10.338 --> 00:20:17.818 if you could, if people would take away one thing about diet and how it impacts, 00:20:18.418 --> 00:20:23.088 you know, behavior and wellbeing, like what, what would you, what would you say? 00:20:23.088 --> 00:20:26.058 And anybody who wants to know any more that like could get in touch with 00:20:26.058 --> 00:20:31.238 you afterwards, but like, what's one thing you wish people knew about diet? 00:20:33.173 --> 00:20:35.403 Becky: God, it's such a massive subject, isn't it? 00:20:35.773 --> 00:20:45.363 Um, gut health is intrinsically related to the brain and mood and how we feel. 00:20:45.613 --> 00:20:49.003 That's with us and it's certainly no different with dogs. 00:20:49.663 --> 00:20:56.923 Um, yes, I was in the veterinary industry and I, Oh, this may be controversial. 00:20:57.423 --> 00:21:06.363 I believed what I was told under the umbrella of the veterinary practice stuff. 00:21:06.953 --> 00:21:09.713 That this diet was brilliant, it was blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, 00:21:09.933 --> 00:21:13.113 you fed them this, you did that, they should be fed the same thing every day. 00:21:13.463 --> 00:21:19.463 Oh my, it's true and it's what, it's what professionals 00:21:22.033 --> 00:21:28.403 know because they're taking their CPD from the people that make the stuff, 00:21:28.503 --> 00:21:32.573 oh dear, let's say it, or some CPD from the people that make the stuff 00:21:33.053 --> 00:21:34.583 and the pharmaceutical companies. 00:21:34.843 --> 00:21:37.363 So we, the fear is real. 00:21:37.943 --> 00:21:42.063 I stepped out of that and realised that if that is the umbrella, 00:21:42.688 --> 00:21:44.598 That is the section that I knew. 00:21:45.178 --> 00:21:46.838 All of that, I didn't. 00:21:47.688 --> 00:21:52.268 So, my dogs have a lot of fresh stuff. 00:21:54.388 --> 00:21:58.878 Um, and there is, you know, you put into a search engine of Google, 00:21:59.028 --> 00:22:02.898 anti carcinogenic veg, and it's all that dark coloured stuff. 00:22:03.083 --> 00:22:08.357 You know, peppers and, and tomato, bits of tomato, and 00:22:08.357 --> 00:22:11.521 leafy greens and stuff like that. 00:22:11.521 --> 00:22:15.973 Antioxidants, clears the brain out, gets whatever. 00:22:16.463 --> 00:22:18.513 Um, I'm not saying to people, feed raw. 00:22:18.793 --> 00:22:22.343 I found raw magnificent for mine. 00:22:22.553 --> 00:22:27.163 And they're on a combination actually of good quality kibble, since in the 00:22:27.163 --> 00:22:31.213 85 percent sort of bracket, if you look on the, or believe everything you 00:22:31.243 --> 00:22:32.943 see on the All About Dog Food site. 00:22:33.463 --> 00:22:35.073 Um, and raw food. 00:22:35.573 --> 00:22:39.993 And anything in between, you know, crack an egg, a whole fish. 00:22:40.313 --> 00:22:41.653 We saw some salmon heads. 00:22:41.703 --> 00:22:42.993 They had those deep frozen. 00:22:43.263 --> 00:22:44.413 It's not every day. 00:22:44.463 --> 00:22:45.773 It's not once a week. 00:22:45.963 --> 00:22:46.673 That isn't, but it's. 00:22:47.508 --> 00:22:52.308 It's, I have no qualms about it, and all I can say is touching wood very, 00:22:52.308 --> 00:22:58.538 very swiftly is that Margot here at five years old, I have not yet seen 00:22:58.538 --> 00:23:03.978 her have diarrhea or an upset stomach, and I've never seen a vomit and she's 00:23:03.978 --> 00:23:06.618 been thus far, raw fed since day one. 00:23:07.708 --> 00:23:08.458 Combination. 00:23:09.023 --> 00:23:10.233 The healthiest dog we've had. 00:23:10.803 --> 00:23:13.643 Flick by rights with the surgery and conditions. 00:23:13.643 --> 00:23:16.963 We nearly lost her at seven following the booster vaccination. 00:23:18.123 --> 00:23:22.453 Um, sort of an IMHA, immune mediated hemolytic anemia. 00:23:22.473 --> 00:23:23.373 She almost died. 00:23:23.923 --> 00:23:26.393 Has not had the booster or anything since and we switched her. 00:23:26.883 --> 00:23:31.203 At that age to raw as well, and the combination so, and she's 00:23:31.243 --> 00:23:34.063 still with us and living to tell the tale at 14 and a half. 00:23:34.063 --> 00:23:38.813 So no, I'm not telling people don't get boosted, I'm saying advocate 00:23:38.813 --> 00:23:40.523 for your dogs, do your research. 00:23:40.863 --> 00:23:45.883 Um, you know, you get them, get them tested for the antibody, 00:23:45.953 --> 00:23:47.053 you know, teeter tests. 00:23:47.523 --> 00:23:50.383 Um, and, and see how you're doing with that. 00:23:50.483 --> 00:23:51.693 But, um, yeah. 00:23:52.863 --> 00:23:54.353 Because I think, I always say, you 00:23:54.353 --> 00:23:58.753 Anke: know, like, whatever, because, you know, sometimes I've had, like, 00:23:58.753 --> 00:24:02.023 I think 20 years ago, I switched my, my little Leo, my first dog, 00:24:02.053 --> 00:24:05.913 and I, by accident, came across this ebook where somebody had lost a dog. 00:24:06.233 --> 00:24:08.853 And he goes, like, at four years old, and he goes, that's not normal. 00:24:08.853 --> 00:24:13.703 He started to dig in and said, well, if you only take away one thing from 00:24:13.703 --> 00:24:16.888 this book, like, Read the damn labels. 00:24:16.938 --> 00:24:20.418 Don't trust what it says on the front. 00:24:20.748 --> 00:24:24.948 So it's basically saying, if you see what's in there and what isn't, 00:24:25.138 --> 00:24:27.198 you'll never feed this stuff again. 00:24:27.418 --> 00:24:30.738 Becky: It's supposed to be the meat, not meat byproducts, 00:24:30.738 --> 00:24:32.728 not turkey digest, not powder. 00:24:32.768 --> 00:24:34.078 It's not stuff that would keep 00:24:34.118 --> 00:24:35.428 Anke: your garden alive. 00:24:35.668 --> 00:24:36.058 Exactly. 00:24:36.458 --> 00:24:38.138 And that's what he taught me there. 00:24:38.138 --> 00:24:39.038 That's what I got. 00:24:39.058 --> 00:24:43.658 It's like, Oh, don't trust the, Oh, balanced or whatever food, chicken. 00:24:43.658 --> 00:24:44.428 And then no. 00:24:44.673 --> 00:24:48.843 Read the label and when I feel sorry for the scent of byproducts, 00:24:48.863 --> 00:24:49.783 Becky: like don't touch it. 00:24:50.123 --> 00:24:50.293 Anke: You 00:24:50.293 --> 00:24:53.423 Becky: know, it's so sorry for the consumers though, because if, if you're 00:24:53.433 --> 00:24:57.293 on a budget and there again, I'm not saying you've got to do what you do the 00:24:57.303 --> 00:25:00.263 best that you can with the budget that you've got, where it's not impacting, 00:25:00.323 --> 00:25:04.533 you know, on, on your own eating and heating and electricity and whatever. 00:25:05.043 --> 00:25:08.253 Um, but, but, but do the best that you can. 00:25:08.363 --> 00:25:11.093 And one dog food. 00:25:11.748 --> 00:25:15.038 Because it says balanced and it's 10 quid a bag and this one's 00:25:15.038 --> 00:25:18.008 30 quid a bag and you're going it's all dog food, it must be. 00:25:18.358 --> 00:25:19.018 It's not. 00:25:19.018 --> 00:25:19.678 It's not. 00:25:19.678 --> 00:25:20.008 I 00:25:20.268 --> 00:25:23.778 Anke: always say, you know, what I, what I spend more on dog food, 00:25:23.788 --> 00:25:25.798 hell, I'm saving on vet costs. 00:25:25.868 --> 00:25:26.488 And it's true. 00:25:26.608 --> 00:25:31.038 It has been true for 20 years, you know, like these guys get old and these 00:25:31.038 --> 00:25:32.638 guys are healthy to the end, you know. 00:25:33.178 --> 00:25:33.908 Along the same 00:25:33.968 --> 00:25:41.718 Becky: lines as humans, dogs are epidemically, um, Diabetes, IBS, skin 00:25:41.718 --> 00:25:43.858 irritations, autoimmune diseases. 00:25:45.148 --> 00:25:49.228 I have seen that there have been hyperactive dogs, dogs that can't settle, 00:25:49.268 --> 00:25:50.378 dogs that won't this, that, the other. 00:25:50.518 --> 00:25:54.478 And I've asked about the diet and I won't mention any, but there has been one that 00:25:54.608 --> 00:25:58.548 sticks up like a sore thumb that isn't particularly cheap, but it's recommended. 00:25:59.148 --> 00:25:59.548 All right. 00:26:00.268 --> 00:26:04.238 Um, And when they've come off that and gone on to something else, 00:26:05.318 --> 00:26:08.288 they've actually found that, oh my god, I can't believe the difference. 00:26:08.318 --> 00:26:12.131 He's absolutely, it's not that he's suddenly become trained, but he's now able 00:26:12.131 --> 00:26:14.141 to go, well, you want me to do something? 00:26:14.141 --> 00:26:18.338 Now I can work it out rather than, ah, jump, bike, jump. 00:26:18.893 --> 00:26:21.963 Doing the warn of death, you know, like concentrate. 00:26:22.553 --> 00:26:23.373 That's massive. 00:26:23.393 --> 00:26:23.673 I mean, 00:26:23.673 --> 00:26:26.993 Anke: yeah, that's definitely, I mean, my experience, like, skin issues went 00:26:26.993 --> 00:26:30.523 away, poop changed, like, a lot changed. 00:26:30.553 --> 00:26:31.023 Demeanor. 00:26:31.233 --> 00:26:32.203 From taking them off. 00:26:32.363 --> 00:26:36.323 And I, I was like, I'd followed the vet's advice and they said, why this kibble? 00:26:36.688 --> 00:26:40.788 Like the most expensive one we have, don't ever go to the supermarket, feed him this 00:26:40.788 --> 00:26:43.428 stuff we have and nothing else, right? 00:26:43.748 --> 00:26:47.378 And so he wasn't doing well on it, you know, he didn't have much appetite either. 00:26:47.768 --> 00:26:51.808 And um, so when I stopped giving him that, it was like, like day 00:26:51.808 --> 00:26:54.958 and night, and I've never looked back and the other dogs never saw. 00:26:55.408 --> 00:26:55.603 Both: Have 00:26:55.603 --> 00:26:59.368 Becky: you ever done the food platters where you put like, um, a cracked 00:26:59.368 --> 00:27:04.358 egg in one, a spoonful of raw, some kibble, um, maybe some broccoli, um, 00:27:04.788 --> 00:27:08.108 chicken, whatever, and they're almost like, oh, it's like a little, little 00:27:08.158 --> 00:27:09.731 buffet, and they're like, oh, oh, oh. 00:27:09.731 --> 00:27:11.318 And invariably, it's really odd. 00:27:11.358 --> 00:27:15.148 I've seen foxes do this in a course that I've just done, where they're 00:27:15.158 --> 00:27:18.308 doing it with urban foxes and how they choose, and they don't automatically 00:27:18.308 --> 00:27:20.048 go for the chicken, you'd be surprised. 00:27:20.668 --> 00:27:23.428 There was like, about 14 different food stuffs, and yeah, there 00:27:23.428 --> 00:27:24.788 was, we did a study on it. 00:27:25.043 --> 00:27:26.203 Oh, that's funny. 00:27:26.203 --> 00:27:29.273 Oh, 00:27:29.273 --> 00:27:29.803 Anke: I love that. 00:27:29.853 --> 00:27:30.463 I love that. 00:27:30.793 --> 00:27:34.333 So where can people go find out, get in touch with you, 00:27:34.343 --> 00:27:35.933 find out more about your work? 00:27:35.993 --> 00:27:36.893 Becky: Oh, that's nice. 00:27:37.023 --> 00:27:40.763 Um, well I'm on Facebook, Becky's Doggy Business and Cat Care. 00:27:40.763 --> 00:27:41.993 So give me a like and a follow. 00:27:41.993 --> 00:27:42.973 That'd be great. 00:27:43.553 --> 00:27:49.948 Um, I know that I've got a post pinned at the top of my page about socialisation, 00:27:49.948 --> 00:27:54.278 what it is and what it isn't in my opinion, which was then heavily endorsed 00:27:54.278 --> 00:27:57.388 by a lot of other dog trainers on thinking on doing something right. 00:27:57.608 --> 00:28:00.298 But it's not actually what people think, hello, say hello to my 00:28:00.298 --> 00:28:03.988 puppy, do this, do that, you know, it's actually quite the reverse. 00:28:03.988 --> 00:28:05.898 Um, I'm on Instagram. 00:28:06.708 --> 00:28:09.148 Again, Becky's doggy business and cat care, quite imaginatively. 00:28:10.558 --> 00:28:15.988 Um, yeah, and, um, there's, there's contact details on both of those forums. 00:28:16.248 --> 00:28:16.568 Both of those. 00:28:16.568 --> 00:28:16.848 Awesome. 00:28:17.298 --> 00:28:19.728 Anke: So obviously if you're watching the video, it's going 00:28:19.728 --> 00:28:21.578 to be right above here above. 00:28:21.638 --> 00:28:24.248 If you're listening on the podcast, it's in the show notes. 00:28:24.308 --> 00:28:26.538 Obviously, we're going to make it easy to find Becky. 00:28:26.848 --> 00:28:28.418 So thank you so much for coming. 00:28:28.418 --> 00:28:29.298 This was delightful. 00:28:29.598 --> 00:28:32.248 And, uh, I hope lots of people get in touch with you and 00:28:32.288 --> 00:28:33.868 you help a lot more dogs. 00:28:34.413 --> 00:28:35.213 Please do. 00:28:35.393 --> 00:28:36.383 Thank you for having me. 00:28:38.371 --> 00:28:39.601 Thanks so much for listening. 00:28:40.121 --> 00:28:44.421 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and 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