Church is Messy

So far in this series, we’ve looked at the unexpected messages to four churches in modern-day Turkey.

UNEXPECTED MESSAGE:
• It’s better to have no church than an unloving church.
• It’s better to let a church suffer than to prevent it. 
• It’s possible for a church to stand up for Jesus while standing against Jesus.    
• It’s possible for a church to wrongly value staying together over staying faithful.  
• It’s possible for everyone but Jesus to be convinced that a church is alive and well.
• A church may be strongest when it's weak.

Message Scripture Passage:
Revelation 3:7-13

Series Thesis:
KNOWING
the truth doesn’t change anything. SUBMITTING to the truth changes everything.

Topics Discussed Today:
  • 00:00 Intro
  • 01:53 Additional discussion from last episode on Sardis: how do we know if our church is alive?
  • 04:31 God is committed to making us more like Jesus. What are the signs of the Spirit in us?
  • 09:36 Is it good for churches to have non-believers among them?
  • 12:50 Responding to these letters individually and collectively. 
  • 14:14 Engaging in serving others individually and collectively.
  • 18:11 Pastoral moment on not just knowing the truth but also submitting to it.
  • 20:14 Rick's experience of gaining social standing in the community and the challenges it brought in his own life.
  • 23:38 What do we do when our own perspectives get in the way of success in following Jesus?
  • 28:22 Looking at love, purpose, and unity as key themes in Jesus's seven letters.
  • 30:22 Testing of character and gaining clarity on our spiritual health is a gift of Jesus.
  • 34:51 Jesus' description of himself in letter to Philadelphia, he claims to be God but then also talks about "his God". How do we understand these ideas?
  • 39:31 Our goal is for people to say, "Look at what God did in and through this church."

What is Church is Messy?

Church is messy podcast recorded at Autumn Ridge Church in Rochester, MN