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You are listening to the USDN on the

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DFPN.

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Thank you.

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What is up everybody and welcome to the

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United States Department of Nerds where we

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are for the people, by the people,

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and of the people.

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And tonight, the lights are flickering,

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the subway tracks are trembling,

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and somewhere in the storm-soaked streets

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of the city, a single donor heart...

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may decide the fate of everything.

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Join us.

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Inside the Council of Nerds tonight is

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Steve, who is an educator, a writer,

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editorial director of Comics Asylum,

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and co-creator of the new action suspense

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thriller, Atrium,

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which is the first official creator-owned

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comic from Comics Asylum.

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Steve, welcome to the show.

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It's a pleasure to be here.

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That's awesome.

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And you know what?

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I could have kept jamming to your intro

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music.

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That's awesome.

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Peak.

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Unbelievable.

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Love it.

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Shout out to black over at the smoke

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pit for creating that for me.

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And the voice of Vader in that is

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done by our friend,

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Frank D of the no gimmicks podcast.

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Nice.

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Nice.

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We have a special podcast with him and

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another one of our council members

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launching in January that everybody's

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going to want to stay tuned for.

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I'm not going to give that away yet.

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Cause that one is a big surprise.

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So Steve,

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Everybody meeting Atrium for the first

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time.

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That was the elevator pitch.

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All right.

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So Atrium is about two paramedics who are

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tasked with delivering a donor heart to a

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mysterious patient.

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But on route,

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they and their security detail are

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intercepted by a group of deadly assassins

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who happen to be vampires.

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That's the curve right there.

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That's the one that got me about.

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I think it happens about halfway through.

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on the subway is when we, well,

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just before the subway,

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I think we kind of get the first

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hint that there are vampires.

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And I was just like,

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I was not expecting it.

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So when the vampire like first did his

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little red eyes and the fangs come out,

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I was like, well, damn,

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I wasn't expecting that.

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I was expecting like, you know,

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just assassins.

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But instead we got, you know,

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Nosferatu meets the transporter a little

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bit there.

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Yeah, a little bit.

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You know,

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the crew here at Comics Asylum Publishing,

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we totally love those kind of movies.

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Oh, yeah.

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One, two, three.

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We grew up in the eighties.

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So stuff like, you know,

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Predator and Die Hard, The Lethal Weapons.

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And then obviously vampires and monsters

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are a big part of our, I guess,

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you know, early tutelage in nerddom.

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So we love that stuff along with comic

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books.

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And we decided, why not make something?

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that would kind of combine some of the

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best elements of the things that we grew

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up either reading or watching it

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definitely hits all our favorite elements

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from the eighties and nineties of you know

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action we had some it was a couple

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of moments that feel almost like blade a

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little bit in there and i was like

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it was like for those out there if

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you need something to read this holiday

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break

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Grab Atrium.

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It won't let you down because it was

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full of action from start to finish.

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There's not a dull moment in it.

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And it's just a phenomenal,

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phenomenal book.

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And Comics Asylum come out swinging out

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the gate on their very first creator-owned

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comic.

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Thanks for the kind words.

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Really appreciate that.

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This has been a long time.

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kind of like getting Atrium to where it

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is now.

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We just finished the Kickstarter for the

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graphic novel.

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And that combines the first five issues,

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which are what we had as our first,

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I guess, three Kickstarters.

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And we were trying to figure out like,

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do we do it as a graphic novel?

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And then do we do it as like

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single issues?

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And it was one of those things where

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the single issues work well because of

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like serialized.

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Like if you think like those old radio

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shows or even like the cartoons we grew

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up watching.

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Yeah.

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Tune in next week because.

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And our goal was to end every issue

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on a cliffhanger.

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and that's some of my favorite comic books

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right there yeah absolutely because like i

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remember as a kid i don't know spider-man

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would be falling off a building or

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something like that or hoax what a hoax

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villains would show up or iron man would

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do something and be in a in peril

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and it's like i gotta wait three weeks

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for the next one hey here we are

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in our forties and i still like like

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Thank God this one's every two weeks

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because now I'm like,

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I'll be the first in line.

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And as soon as I'm out at the

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comic book shop and I'm sitting back at

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work, I'm like.

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Exactly.

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I got time to squeeze this one in.

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I got to get to it.

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So let's jump and talk about a little

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bit about Comic Asylum.

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Y'all been in the industry since twenty

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fourteen.

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What made y'all want to leap into

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publishing comics?

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it was one of those things where,

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you know, my partner Vaughn and I,

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we started comics asylum and it was like

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a digital interactive magazine that you

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would want,

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like you could read it on the,

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on the iPad.

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And so we would embed movie trailers and

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we would do articles on upcoming movies as

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well as it was kind of like wizard

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magazine, two point.

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Oh, um,

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more of a digitized version of that.

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And then we always wanted to make our

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own books.

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And I had worked in a comic book

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studio here in Toronto.

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And before I actually got to do my

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own book, the studio kind of disbanded.

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But that desire had been there from since

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I was a kid.

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So I remember as a kid when I

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was like, you know, maybe grade two,

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three, four,

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I'd always either be doodling in class.

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And then when I got, you know,

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proficient enough,

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I would make my own comics after school.

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Wouldn't do any homework,

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piss off my parents.

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And, you know,

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and so I would just make my own

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books.

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And my buddy, Vaughn, he's Vaughn Joseph,

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who's the editorial director along with

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myself.

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And he also does all the great design

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work that you see all over Atrium as

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well as our websites.

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We were like,

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let's see if we can make our own.

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And so we had this idea percolating and

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we decided we'll go with this one because

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the story was complete.

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And we felt that it was kind of

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one of those things where we love

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superheroes,

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but this story we just had to tell.

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No, y'all know,

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I want to take a second real quick.

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Shout out to Toronto,

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who is a sleeper city for talented comic

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writers and artists.

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I think you're my third person from

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Toronto this year.

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As far from an indie creator standpoint,

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and there's not been a single bad one

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from PowerScape, The Plague.

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I think they're all based in Toronto.

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Greg,

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I don't know if you're familiar with Greg,

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the most handsome man in the world who's

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so handsome you take one look and your

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head will explode.

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Shout out to Nerd in the Sky.

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I love that guy.

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He is so fun.

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Y'all are killing it, man.

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Y'all are phenomenal up there.

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I don't know if it's something in the

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water or what y'all got going on,

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but y'all are producing some amazing

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comics up there.

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Yeah, from indie to mainstream,

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there's a lot of talent in Toronto,

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southern Ontario especially,

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because if you cast a wide net,

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you can have people like Dave Finch,

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who's like a longtime stalwart in the

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industry.

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We've got Jason Liu,

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who's doing stuff for Marvel.

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Francis Manipal,

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who's doing stuff for Ghost Machine.

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And I really like his current book right

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now.

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That book's a lot of fun to read.

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The Rockefellers?

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Yeah, Rocketfellas is one of my faves.

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Yeah, same.

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Jason Fabok is in the reach as well

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too.

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Rookets it is.

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Absolutely,

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and that's another banger book.

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Dude,

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I shout Ghost Machine from the top of

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my lungs every chance I get the

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opportunity.

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The smartest thing Image ever did was nail

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those guys down and allow them to have

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Ghost Machine under their print for Image.

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Yeah,

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and I think – I'm not sure if

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I'm mistaken,

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but I think Red Coat –

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just got a movie deal just got a

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movie deal it was it is announced last

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week which simon pure god bless that

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handsome rugged idiot of a red coat that's

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gonna be a fun movie because there's so

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much they can do with him and he

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is the luckiest idiot to grace a comic

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book

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Yeah, totally.

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And so it's almost like having that much

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talent in one area,

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It almost feeds the energy for other

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creators that are like maybe on the

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outside thinking that, can I do it?

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Can I not do it?

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But also when you go to the shows

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like Fan Expo or Toronto Comic Con or

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Niagara Falls or even like traveling up

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the four one to to Montreal and you

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go to their cons as well, too,

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you you're able to run into a wide

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range of creators, both as well as pros.

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Yeah, it's amazing.

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And this has been a year of discovery

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and growth for me on a personal

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perspective when it comes to comic books

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and stuff like that.

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Because I've learned about a whole lot of

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Italian comic book writers and artists

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this year.

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Canadians, South Americans,

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my good friend Francisco Nilo down in

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Argentina, who's always doing his part.

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That's a reference to what's the movie

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with the space buds?

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Mars Attacks?

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No, that's not Mars Attacks.

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Starship Troopers.

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Starship Troopers.

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So that's the running joke down there.

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Anytime they see their friends, it's like,

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hey, we're doing our part.

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And it's always funny to me.

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It's always funny to him.

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That's how we greet each other whenever I

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have him on the podcast now.

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So it's been a great year of discovery

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and growth for me from a comic book

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perspective.

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And I think having the podcast really

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helps me when I dig in a little

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deeper and a little bit more.

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So that's been really amazing.

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So did the Comics Asylum audience help

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shape this project in any kind of way?

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Or was this just a love child of

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y'all?

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This actually predates Comics Asylum.

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This idea was kicking around probably

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like.

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Fifteen years ago.

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where our letterer greg parkin shout out

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to him and the great work he did

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on the on the title uh he was

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in contact with some people and they were

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thinking of maybe doing a short film

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And so we decided, well,

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maybe we can take this idea that we

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have and, you know,

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because it's got very few locations,

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we can do it for a small budget.

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And that's where it kind of started.

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And then basically it was like being

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outside of the industry,

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how do we get this thing made?

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And it was kind of like before things

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like KDP and self-publishing,

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this was back in the days where like

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Ashcans were the big kind of indie way

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to get books out.

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yeah before you know you can go to

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big printers that we have nowadays and get

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full color runs of your stuff uh and

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from there we reworked the story a few

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times um had some stops and starts looking

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for artists and then um we were lucky

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enough believe it or not to find lucas

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falapi who is the superstar artist on our

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uh book we're so fortunate to have him

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Yeah, I love the art on this.

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Yeah, he totally, totally killed it.

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And we found him on Twitter because

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someone else had a shout-out looking for

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an artist,

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and he had his stuff in the thread.

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I was in the middle of trying to

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figure out what we were going to do

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next because we had just lost our artist.

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and saw him ask the guys they said

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yup then contacted lucas and as they say

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the rest is history so much so that

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in a few days i'm going to be

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heading to brazil into uh to sao paulo

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where lucas lives and we're going to be

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doing an in-store signing down there and

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lucas that's amazing

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Yeah, it's been a crazy ride.

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Would you be okay with showing them some

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of the art?

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Absolutely.

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And Lucas actually translated it into

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Portuguese.

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So it's going to be a lot of

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fun.

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Yeah, that's what you were telling me.

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That's really, really awesome.

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This always gets me.

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I'm going to do a share screen.

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And then...

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Let me bring it.

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You know what?

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I have to bring it up first.

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I got to be smarter than it.

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It didn't scroll up.

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Now I can do it.

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Here we go.

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Share.

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Now I can add it.

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There we go.

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That wasn't difficult.

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So this was a really,

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really awesome cover.

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And it does a really good job of

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selling what the story is about.

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It was interesting because,

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and thank you for that.

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That's all Lucas.

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We,

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I think it was Gail Simone was on

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Twitter,

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either Twitter or Instagram or something.

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And she just had like a random,

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you know, show me what you're working on.

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And so we shared the cover and she's

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like, I'd buy that.

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That's when we kind of knew.

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She's another one that's criminally

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underrated and I hate that.

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Agreed.

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She's hilarious on social media and likes

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to needle us.

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Anyone who's reading her tweets and stuff.

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She's on point.

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I enjoyed her X-Men run.

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The one that she's currently on.

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It's been fun.

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The artist whose name slips my mind is

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phenomenal on that run.

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Look at this art.

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I love this style of art.

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it it's it's just so good like the

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focus is on the actual characters and not

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necessarily the background until you get

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to something like this and then they go

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all out on the background yeah

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Lucas, Lucas was fantastic on this.

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He did an amazing job.

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And one of the reasons why we liked

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his work is because of how gritty it

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is.

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Yes.

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I say this all the time.

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And if anyone's seen me online talking

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about HM or comics in general,

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the art is just like, you know,

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being a casting director.

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And so if you're telling a certain type

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of story,

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you want a certain type of artwork,

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just like you would want a certain type

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of actor or even a cinematographer for

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whatever your movie is going to be.

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And Lucas kind of was able to capture

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like the grittiness and the dark shadows

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of the not only the city and the

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situation, but also the subway tunnels.

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And I just loved how he had a

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personal touch to every single character.

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They had their own individual look.

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Yeah,

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that was really amazing to see because

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it's not like a lot of the times

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with a comic like this, they can just,

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you know, what's the word I'm looking for?

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I don't want to say call it in.

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They'll just call it in where everybody

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kind of looks the same.

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But each individual face,

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each individual character had their own

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personality.

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It's always amazing to see that in an

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indie comic.

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And it's just that's one of those things,

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even in Marvel and DC,

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sometimes you can tell when the artist is

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kind of tired of doing it and they

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just are calling it in at that point.

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You can tell where they've reused panels

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and reused art from other, you know,

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previous, you know, issues.

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We notice that people,

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we notice that artists, writers out there,

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we notice when you call it in.

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yeah you can you can kind of tell

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and also to you know to be fair

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deadlines can be kind of crazy in this

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industry so it's kind of one of those

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things like what's what's my shorthand and

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can you use the shorthand to help you

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reach your deadline but the beauty you

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there steve right the beauty of the beauty

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of indie okay you're back now we lost

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you for about a half a second there

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Okay, great.

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Good to know that I'm back.

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As I was saying,

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the beauty of indie is that you don't

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have to worry about deadlines, right?

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It's one of those things where it's like,

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if you need four weeks to do the

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artwork,

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you have four weeks to do the artwork.

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And it was also great going back and

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forth with Lucas because he would draw

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something that we wouldn't necessarily

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have written or wouldn't have seen it the

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way that he represented it.

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And we're like, yo,

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he nailed it better than we wrote it.

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So it's all good.

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yeah so when you storyboarded this thing

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like did you tell him like how to

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face the people and like emotions did you

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give him all that in advance or did

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you just give him the story and be

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like hey here you go

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Yeah, no, gave him the script,

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told him to, you know,

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just kind of represent it the best way

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that he thought.

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If he if I wrote like my writing

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partner, Peter Van Horn and I,

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if we'd given him a five panel page

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and he thought it would be better with

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a four panel layout or six panel layout

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to just go ahead and do that.

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That's awesome.

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I know there's some artists out there.

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I know last,

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I think a week and a half ago,

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I had Sabe on who's Italian.

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He does a shock hit at Peter,

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which is another phenomenal,

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phenomenal book by Ethan and Jess.

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And he,

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I know he likes very detailed notes in

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the story.

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Like, like, Hey, let's try this angle.

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And like,

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he's big about getting the emotions of the

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characters.

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Like what do you want them to display?

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Yeah.

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Is it at a nighttime scene or a

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daytime scene?

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He likes to get that in the notes

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of the story.

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But that's him.

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He's very good at what he does, obviously.

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I don't know if you've had a chance

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to check out Shockhead at Peter,

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but it's some phenomenal,

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phenomenal artwork in there.

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And there's a lot of Italian influence,

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small city Italy influences in it.

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Very beautiful book.

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But

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What has been your most surprising part of

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this transition into doing this comic book

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now that you've done it versus what you

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were doing just on a daily basis for

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Comics Asylum?

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I think the biggest part of it is

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just realizing how much of a machine

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making a comic book is and how much

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like I knew how much work has gone

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into it because like I said,

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I think we were talking about it before

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we came on air that I was part

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of a comic book studio with Ken Lashley.

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Right.

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I didn't mention this part,

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but it was with Ken Lashley here in

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Toronto.

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And so we were working on like rising

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stars and ghost and a couple of Marvel

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books and DC books way as well as

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doing toy design.

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And so like, you knew how,

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like how pressure packed it could be.

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Yeah.

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But it wasn't until we were doing this

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and then you're finding out like, okay,

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almost creating it's the easiest part,

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like writing it easy.

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Drawing, difficult,

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way more heavy lifting than the writing.

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But again, easy.

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It's then putting it together,

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doing the crowdfunding,

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doing the fulfillment,

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doing the social media,

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coming on amazing podcasts such as this,

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running our own podcast.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, you're a busy man.

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Because I was going to say,

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you have your own podcast as well that

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you're doing in between all of this.

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Yeah.

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And part of it's promotion.

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And part of it is also- That's where

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a lot of Kickstarters and stuff like that

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fell is they don't- I don't want to

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say they don't have the funds to promote.

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It's that they just don't promote.

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Promotions are free.

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Coming on a podcast like this is free.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it is one of those where,

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like when I'm advertising for interviews

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on Facebook and Instagram and Blue Sky

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where you contacted me, I make it easy.

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I tell you like, hey,

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all you have to do is send me

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an email or shoot me a message and

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we will make something work because I

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believe every independent comic deserves

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this chance in the spotlight and have its

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voice heard.

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You're doing great work.

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You're doing great work.

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No lie.

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I appreciate it.

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And ever since I made this transition over

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to doing this,

00:22:00.300 --> 00:22:02.583
it's been completely a hundred percent

00:22:02.623 --> 00:22:03.022
amazing.

00:22:03.083 --> 00:22:05.403
I've got had some of the best people

00:22:05.483 --> 00:22:06.345
in the world on,

00:22:07.164 --> 00:22:08.566
and I've gotten to read a lot of

00:22:08.605 --> 00:22:10.847
great comments that I may not have had

00:22:10.867 --> 00:22:13.588
the opportunity to read or would have

00:22:13.648 --> 00:22:15.009
never read because they would have never

00:22:15.049 --> 00:22:15.990
seen the light of day.

00:22:16.750 --> 00:22:18.152
And every time I see a successful

00:22:18.172 --> 00:22:20.512
Kickstarter from somebody who was on the

00:22:20.573 --> 00:22:21.473
podcast, I'm like,

00:22:23.003 --> 00:22:24.403
little wins, I stack them up.

00:22:24.983 --> 00:22:25.223
Yeah.

00:22:25.284 --> 00:22:25.724
You know what?

00:22:25.785 --> 00:22:27.384
We're all part of the same community.

00:22:27.884 --> 00:22:28.244
Um,

00:22:28.825 --> 00:22:31.086
even though we're separated by borders and

00:22:31.246 --> 00:22:34.226
oceans and whatnot, we're all, you know,

00:22:34.246 --> 00:22:35.286
we all love the medium.

00:22:35.746 --> 00:22:38.707
And so any little bit that can help

00:22:39.646 --> 00:22:40.747
totally goes a long way.

00:22:40.846 --> 00:22:41.166
And like,

00:22:41.768 --> 00:22:43.847
I even think about when we were starting

00:22:43.988 --> 00:22:45.407
and reaching out to call Kershaw,

00:22:45.748 --> 00:22:47.128
who does death, uh,

00:22:47.209 --> 00:22:48.969
death transit Tanager up in Montreal.

00:22:50.587 --> 00:22:52.770
I called him and reached out to him

00:22:52.810 --> 00:22:53.510
and I said, hey,

00:22:54.551 --> 00:22:55.894
what is it about shipping that you can

00:22:55.933 --> 00:22:57.275
help us with?

00:22:57.315 --> 00:22:59.717
He gave us some options.

00:22:59.757 --> 00:23:00.157
Right now,

00:23:00.238 --> 00:23:02.460
shipping is horrible out of Canada.

00:23:03.121 --> 00:23:04.301
It's not cheap.

00:23:04.521 --> 00:23:05.303
It's not cheap.

00:23:06.423 --> 00:23:09.446
With just the current economic climate,

00:23:10.474 --> 00:23:11.997
getting it printed and then getting it

00:23:12.017 --> 00:23:12.357
shipped.

00:23:12.557 --> 00:23:14.601
If you're not in the same country also

00:23:14.641 --> 00:23:16.022
has its challenges.

00:23:16.163 --> 00:23:17.645
So it's all these little things like,

00:23:17.685 --> 00:23:17.965
you know,

00:23:18.487 --> 00:23:20.450
when I'm doing interviews for comics

00:23:20.490 --> 00:23:22.593
asylum and I'm at a con and you're

00:23:22.613 --> 00:23:24.576
talking to an indie, um, creator, um,

00:23:25.241 --> 00:23:26.923
or even a professional creator who's

00:23:27.182 --> 00:23:28.743
working for Marvel or DC or,

00:23:28.844 --> 00:23:29.825
or boom or something like that,

00:23:30.545 --> 00:23:31.965
the questions that you ask give you

00:23:32.086 --> 00:23:34.126
insight into then how you can help

00:23:34.166 --> 00:23:37.489
yourself or even other creators, you know,

00:23:37.528 --> 00:23:39.109
kind of get over some of the hurdles

00:23:39.150 --> 00:23:40.711
that you would experience that you

00:23:40.730 --> 00:23:41.631
wouldn't even think about.

00:23:42.092 --> 00:23:42.412
Right.

00:23:42.471 --> 00:23:43.071
When you're creating.

00:23:43.092 --> 00:23:43.231
Yeah.

00:23:43.551 --> 00:23:47.615
No, we recently, we,

00:23:47.914 --> 00:23:50.816
as in the network and we went to,

00:23:52.219 --> 00:23:55.200
Cape con in, in Cape Girardeau, Missouri,

00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:56.681
shout out to Cape con and that team

00:23:56.740 --> 00:23:57.161
over there.

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They,

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they put together a phenomenal con twice a

00:24:00.482 --> 00:24:00.843
year.

00:24:00.883 --> 00:24:02.463
They have a Cape con and then they

00:24:02.483 --> 00:24:03.785
have an anime con as well.

00:24:04.525 --> 00:24:05.846
And we were there for Cape con.

00:24:06.105 --> 00:24:07.306
We got to go in, set up,

00:24:07.346 --> 00:24:09.027
do our podcast live from there.

00:24:09.866 --> 00:24:10.907
Great experience,

00:24:11.107 --> 00:24:12.328
great learning experience.

00:24:12.348 --> 00:24:13.788
It was my first time doing a panel

00:24:13.848 --> 00:24:14.490
at a con.

00:24:14.509 --> 00:24:14.650
Nice.

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And I can't wait to do many,

00:24:17.931 --> 00:24:20.772
many more because those are such a good

00:24:20.833 --> 00:24:21.232
time.

00:24:23.023 --> 00:24:23.663
Not only that,

00:24:23.944 --> 00:24:26.685
it puts you on the ground with your

00:24:26.826 --> 00:24:27.385
audience.

00:24:27.886 --> 00:24:31.188
And so like you get direct feedback on

00:24:31.248 --> 00:24:33.630
not only like how enthusiastic people are

00:24:33.829 --> 00:24:36.411
about a given comic or a given con,

00:24:36.810 --> 00:24:38.132
but sometimes even what you're doing.

00:24:38.471 --> 00:24:40.432
So like when we would table at a

00:24:40.472 --> 00:24:42.834
show for HROM,

00:24:42.874 --> 00:24:44.095
the feedback you get either from the

00:24:44.134 --> 00:24:46.056
elevator pitch or the very fact that

00:24:46.115 --> 00:24:48.076
someone is willing to give you their

00:24:48.116 --> 00:24:49.917
hard-earned money and they don't know

00:24:50.097 --> 00:24:50.838
anything about you,

00:24:51.806 --> 00:24:53.747
is the greatest validation you can ask for

00:24:53.826 --> 00:24:56.468
as absolutely right we don't have the

00:24:56.508 --> 00:24:59.868
machine of like dc or or disney with

00:24:59.929 --> 00:25:03.671
marvel behind you to kind of like you

00:25:03.691 --> 00:25:05.771
know get your word out there and so

00:25:05.892 --> 00:25:06.332
having

00:25:07.713 --> 00:25:09.695
having that kind of a response is great.

00:25:09.996 --> 00:25:11.778
And even better is when you go to

00:25:11.798 --> 00:25:13.398
do a show the next year and they're

00:25:13.419 --> 00:25:14.440
like, Hey, do you got issue two?

00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:15.701
That's even better.

00:25:16.080 --> 00:25:16.401
Yeah.

00:25:16.521 --> 00:25:17.301
Yeah.

00:25:17.342 --> 00:25:17.422
Yeah.

00:25:17.442 --> 00:25:19.144
There's a few local people here that I'm

00:25:19.163 --> 00:25:19.604
waiting for the,

00:25:19.624 --> 00:25:21.125
like their next issue of their comic books

00:25:21.145 --> 00:25:21.506
to come out.

00:25:21.526 --> 00:25:22.406
But every time I see them,

00:25:22.426 --> 00:25:23.428
they're in the same hurdle.

00:25:23.968 --> 00:25:26.690
I'm like, dude, come on the podcast.

00:25:27.891 --> 00:25:29.492
Let's get you a Kickstarter going.

00:25:29.512 --> 00:25:31.114
Let's get issue two made man.

00:25:31.134 --> 00:25:34.416
And you know, here,

00:25:35.571 --> 00:25:37.613
I can only lead that horse to water

00:25:37.653 --> 00:25:38.534
so many times.

00:25:38.894 --> 00:25:40.295
Like I've even told him like, Hey,

00:25:40.674 --> 00:25:42.336
I've never done a Kickstarter personally

00:25:42.556 --> 00:25:42.936
yet,

00:25:44.017 --> 00:25:45.498
but I'm more than willing to sit down

00:25:45.577 --> 00:25:49.040
and together and we can figure this out.

00:25:49.080 --> 00:25:49.421
So yeah,

00:25:51.126 --> 00:25:52.008
Yeah, no, no, no.

00:25:52.028 --> 00:25:53.208
That's a great offer.

00:25:53.328 --> 00:25:55.029
And there are people that you could reach

00:25:55.089 --> 00:25:55.430
out to.

00:25:55.529 --> 00:25:57.731
Like when we were trying to figure out

00:25:57.872 --> 00:26:00.053
some of the ins and outs,

00:26:00.133 --> 00:26:00.894
we had outreach.

00:26:01.554 --> 00:26:02.654
And for the most part,

00:26:03.275 --> 00:26:05.257
the thing about comics is there's not too

00:26:05.297 --> 00:26:06.116
much gatekeeping.

00:26:06.798 --> 00:26:07.897
It's really not.

00:26:08.038 --> 00:26:09.579
And that's what's great about it.

00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:12.181
And I have a good friend who actually

00:26:12.201 --> 00:26:14.462
was the very first creator that came on

00:26:14.542 --> 00:26:17.125
the USDN in Bruno Caterino.

00:26:18.136 --> 00:26:20.779
He's Portuguese, lives in the UK.

00:26:20.819 --> 00:26:22.642
He was a very perverse person who reached

00:26:22.701 --> 00:26:24.824
out to me when I first decided I

00:26:24.864 --> 00:26:26.746
want to interview indie creators.

00:26:26.786 --> 00:26:28.067
He was the very first one,

00:26:28.567 --> 00:26:30.469
and he's been on the podcast multiple

00:26:30.509 --> 00:26:31.170
times now.

00:26:31.770 --> 00:26:33.392
Bruno's great.

00:26:33.432 --> 00:26:34.212
He really is.

00:26:34.432 --> 00:26:35.594
We've had him on the pod as well,

00:26:35.634 --> 00:26:37.777
too, on the stream, and he's great.

00:26:38.637 --> 00:26:39.397
He really is.

00:26:39.417 --> 00:26:42.422
It's super smart and very,

00:26:42.722 --> 00:26:45.205
very humble about what he does.

00:26:45.746 --> 00:26:49.089
He has created a kind of like a

00:26:49.170 --> 00:26:51.232
Kickstarter lessons learned or just

00:26:51.613 --> 00:26:52.894
lessons learned in general about

00:26:52.934 --> 00:26:55.518
Kickstarters and indie comics and that

00:26:55.538 --> 00:26:55.979
kind of stuff.

00:26:55.999 --> 00:26:57.240
He's got two volumes now.

00:26:58.213 --> 00:27:00.694
of that and i'm like anytime i have

00:27:00.714 --> 00:27:02.494
a new creator on who's never done it

00:27:02.515 --> 00:27:04.635
before i'm like hey i have some good

00:27:04.675 --> 00:27:07.175
resources i'm going to send those to you

00:27:07.195 --> 00:27:09.156
because bruno's just like he sent it to

00:27:09.176 --> 00:27:11.416
me he's like hey anybody who comes to

00:27:11.457 --> 00:27:12.876
you with any type of questions that you

00:27:12.896 --> 00:27:15.478
don't have answers to maybe this will help

00:27:15.518 --> 00:27:16.637
them and he gave it to me to

00:27:16.678 --> 00:27:18.798
pass to other creators and stuff like that

00:27:19.278 --> 00:27:21.378
so like anytime i have somebody i'm like

00:27:21.398 --> 00:27:23.200
hey is this your first time i have

00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:24.559
some really good lessons learned from my

00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:26.961
good friend bruno let me send that over

00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:27.320
to you

00:27:28.213 --> 00:27:29.575
And then they were like, oh, yeah,

00:27:29.615 --> 00:27:30.115
we'll take that.

00:27:30.155 --> 00:27:31.717
We'll take it and we'll, you know,

00:27:32.617 --> 00:27:32.897
use it.

00:27:33.618 --> 00:27:36.500
So it's been really awesome.

00:27:36.681 --> 00:27:38.022
And I'm so glad he gets around.

00:27:38.442 --> 00:27:39.463
He's such a good guy.

00:27:40.464 --> 00:27:40.585
Yeah,

00:27:40.625 --> 00:27:42.066
his last campaign was a lot of fun.

00:27:42.105 --> 00:27:44.167
And then I think on our on our

00:27:44.188 --> 00:27:45.328
the Crimson Bay.

00:27:45.788 --> 00:27:46.028
Yeah.

00:27:46.509 --> 00:27:46.690
Yeah.

00:27:47.631 --> 00:27:48.010
That was a lot.

00:27:48.050 --> 00:27:49.692
I actually just got it not that long

00:27:49.732 --> 00:27:49.932
ago.

00:27:49.972 --> 00:27:51.013
He's in a box already.

00:27:52.704 --> 00:27:54.967
But yeah, Crimson Bay was really good.

00:27:55.607 --> 00:27:56.808
Yeah, no, he's great.

00:27:56.989 --> 00:27:58.210
And that's the thing too, right?

00:27:58.269 --> 00:28:00.612
Like there's so many people who are in

00:28:00.632 --> 00:28:01.512
the same space.

00:28:01.813 --> 00:28:03.595
You might be a few steps ahead or

00:28:03.615 --> 00:28:06.136
a few steps behind and everyone's just

00:28:06.317 --> 00:28:08.599
willing to kind of push everyone along

00:28:09.140 --> 00:28:10.682
because the goal is to have everyone's

00:28:10.721 --> 00:28:13.263
stuff out there because the public needs

00:28:13.364 --> 00:28:14.065
great stories.

00:28:14.585 --> 00:28:15.605
And it's not just-

00:28:16.787 --> 00:28:18.327
And I hate seeing like people treat it

00:28:18.347 --> 00:28:19.268
like a competition.

00:28:19.368 --> 00:28:21.329
I don't like seeing it as a competition.

00:28:21.410 --> 00:28:23.171
I don't see it as a competition.

00:28:23.671 --> 00:28:27.432
The more people we can get out there

00:28:27.532 --> 00:28:30.094
and fund it in their stories with eyes

00:28:30.213 --> 00:28:35.656
on them and read and enjoyed the better.

00:28:35.696 --> 00:28:40.859
So those gatekeeping cut the shit out.

00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.060
You're a hundred and ten percent correct

00:28:42.080 --> 00:28:42.421
on that one.

00:28:42.461 --> 00:28:43.902
Like, I just think that.

00:28:45.373 --> 00:28:45.532
you know,

00:28:45.573 --> 00:28:47.054
even if it's something you may not read,

00:28:47.673 --> 00:28:49.835
the fact that another creator has put a

00:28:49.855 --> 00:28:52.296
book out there means that there's another

00:28:52.336 --> 00:28:54.596
type of reader who comes into the

00:28:54.636 --> 00:28:55.877
industry, right?

00:28:56.038 --> 00:28:57.317
And it becomes aware of it.

00:28:57.758 --> 00:28:59.838
And sometimes, and this is, you know,

00:28:59.858 --> 00:29:01.019
thank my daughter for this one.

00:29:02.355 --> 00:29:03.455
you're not ready for,

00:29:03.496 --> 00:29:05.356
for everything all at the same time.

00:29:05.798 --> 00:29:06.518
Right.

00:29:06.617 --> 00:29:07.558
So, you know,

00:29:07.598 --> 00:29:09.059
when I was watching anime with her,

00:29:09.601 --> 00:29:12.343
like I have my old school anime,

00:29:12.383 --> 00:29:12.603
you know,

00:29:12.643 --> 00:29:13.683
she would have liked other stuff,

00:29:13.703 --> 00:29:14.865
fairy tale and stuff like that.

00:29:15.806 --> 00:29:18.647
But then I got to appreciate the ones

00:29:18.667 --> 00:29:19.388
that she liked.

00:29:19.929 --> 00:29:22.991
And now that opens up another kind of

00:29:23.291 --> 00:29:25.133
avenue of stuff for me to either watch

00:29:25.294 --> 00:29:25.693
or read.

00:29:27.030 --> 00:29:27.590
No, my,

00:29:27.691 --> 00:29:29.892
my daughter has been a big anime head

00:29:30.051 --> 00:29:31.372
manga fan for years.

00:29:31.451 --> 00:29:32.893
And at first I didn't know what manga

00:29:32.932 --> 00:29:33.113
was.

00:29:33.173 --> 00:29:34.573
I knew what anime was and I knew

00:29:34.593 --> 00:29:35.334
she watched it.

00:29:35.354 --> 00:29:37.273
And then when she was getting into manga,

00:29:38.315 --> 00:29:39.234
I'm like, I don't know what that is.

00:29:39.275 --> 00:29:39.815
What is that?

00:29:40.355 --> 00:29:40.835
And she's like, well,

00:29:40.855 --> 00:29:42.496
it's like a comic book, but from Japan.

00:29:42.516 --> 00:29:44.016
I was like, okay, where,

00:29:44.056 --> 00:29:44.856
where do we get it from?

00:29:44.896 --> 00:29:46.217
She's like any bookstore.

00:29:46.237 --> 00:29:46.696
I'm like, okay,

00:29:46.876 --> 00:29:48.137
well go get in the car and let's

00:29:48.178 --> 00:29:48.377
go.

00:29:49.258 --> 00:29:50.798
And I take her and she pissed out

00:29:50.818 --> 00:29:51.378
what she wants.

00:29:51.419 --> 00:29:51.838
And I'm like,

00:29:53.607 --> 00:29:55.028
The price isn't bad on them.

00:29:55.068 --> 00:29:56.789
Some of them are a little pricey depending

00:29:56.910 --> 00:29:59.310
on who it is and how rare they

00:29:59.391 --> 00:30:00.692
are.

00:30:02.133 --> 00:30:04.193
Some of hers I still have on auto

00:30:04.213 --> 00:30:06.734
just because I set it up on Amazon.

00:30:06.755 --> 00:30:08.855
The new issue drops.

00:30:09.717 --> 00:30:10.557
Amazon gets it.

00:30:10.717 --> 00:30:12.038
Amazon sends it to my house.

00:30:12.979 --> 00:30:13.638
I open it up,

00:30:13.739 --> 00:30:14.720
stick it on her shelf.

00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:17.760
I had a friend of mine recently.

00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:18.761
He's like, hey,

00:30:18.801 --> 00:30:20.041
does your daughter read manga?

00:30:20.061 --> 00:30:21.103
I was like, yeah, she does.

00:30:21.123 --> 00:30:22.423
She's very into it.

00:30:23.323 --> 00:30:24.263
And he's like, oh, well,

00:30:24.284 --> 00:30:25.525
my daughter was wanting to get into it.

00:30:25.545 --> 00:30:27.266
I'm like, okay, let her.

00:30:27.846 --> 00:30:30.009
He's like, well, you know, I'm like, dude,

00:30:30.048 --> 00:30:31.849
your daughter is asking you to read.

00:30:33.632 --> 00:30:34.673
Like, it's a comic book.

00:30:35.252 --> 00:30:35.874
Let her read.

00:30:36.173 --> 00:30:37.095
She wants to read.

00:30:37.355 --> 00:30:39.135
He's like, well,

00:30:39.155 --> 00:30:40.538
when you put it like that, I'm like,

00:30:40.577 --> 00:30:41.959
dude, she's asking you to read.

00:30:42.719 --> 00:30:44.480
Don't be mad because your kid is reading.

00:30:44.941 --> 00:30:45.922
I don't care what it is.

00:30:46.082 --> 00:30:46.623
They're reading.

00:30:46.643 --> 00:30:48.423
He's like, you know what?

00:30:48.443 --> 00:30:49.105
That's a good point.

00:30:50.597 --> 00:30:51.939
No, yeah, that's a great point.

00:30:51.959 --> 00:30:54.059
I remember like I'm a former teacher.

00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:57.000
And so I taught K to six when

00:30:57.040 --> 00:30:57.942
I was when I was working.

00:30:57.961 --> 00:31:02.003
And they are they are an absolute joy.

00:31:02.243 --> 00:31:03.724
They'll make you laugh and cry at the

00:31:03.744 --> 00:31:04.285
same time.

00:31:06.286 --> 00:31:08.007
But I remember when I was a kid,

00:31:08.606 --> 00:31:10.567
like I had tons of comic books,

00:31:10.748 --> 00:31:11.929
like tons of comic books.

00:31:11.969 --> 00:31:13.288
I would always kind of like this is

00:31:13.328 --> 00:31:13.970
back in the days.

00:31:14.965 --> 00:31:16.146
Yes, I'm an old head, everyone.

00:31:16.926 --> 00:31:18.288
You can get them for twenty five cents

00:31:18.428 --> 00:31:20.009
and then you were outraged when they were

00:31:20.048 --> 00:31:20.829
thirty five cents.

00:31:23.151 --> 00:31:23.391
Right.

00:31:23.971 --> 00:31:24.912
But we would go down,

00:31:25.573 --> 00:31:26.772
ride our bikes to the variety store,

00:31:26.853 --> 00:31:29.275
pick up like seven or eight comics and

00:31:29.295 --> 00:31:30.215
you can get, you know,

00:31:30.375 --> 00:31:32.196
from DC and Marvel or Archie or whatever.

00:31:33.017 --> 00:31:33.537
Oh, Archie.

00:31:33.616 --> 00:31:35.258
I still love Archie to this day.

00:31:35.637 --> 00:31:36.939
I think they have some of the best

00:31:37.098 --> 00:31:38.278
horror out there.

00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:40.279
Anytime Halloween rolls around,

00:31:40.299 --> 00:31:41.820
I know there's going to be fresh Archie

00:31:41.881 --> 00:31:43.000
horror on the shelf.

00:31:43.622 --> 00:31:45.041
And Dynamite just announced we're getting

00:31:45.201 --> 00:31:46.782
Archie Army of Darkness.

00:31:46.803 --> 00:31:47.762
Oh, wow.

00:31:47.782 --> 00:31:48.584
That'll be good.

00:31:48.784 --> 00:31:51.045
Yeah, that's going to be phenomenal.

00:31:51.865 --> 00:31:54.266
And I was just like, man,

00:31:54.286 --> 00:31:55.267
that's going to be amazing.

00:31:55.346 --> 00:31:57.847
But Archie always has great Halloween

00:31:57.907 --> 00:31:58.508
specials.

00:31:59.087 --> 00:32:00.509
And so I don't get it on a

00:32:00.548 --> 00:32:01.649
normal –

00:32:01.429 --> 00:32:04.071
week in week out basis but Archie

00:32:04.092 --> 00:32:07.115
Halloween specials guarantee I just tell

00:32:07.135 --> 00:32:08.958
my comic shop that he knows by now

00:32:09.598 --> 00:32:12.923
I've been seeing him for five years and

00:32:13.002 --> 00:32:14.884
he's just like hey new Archie horror I'm

00:32:14.924 --> 00:32:16.145
like dude don't even ask just put it

00:32:16.205 --> 00:32:17.288
on my box dude I got it

00:32:18.273 --> 00:32:19.915
Yeah, Archie does the best crossovers.

00:32:20.395 --> 00:32:20.976
They really do.

00:32:20.997 --> 00:32:22.178
Yeah, for sure.

00:32:22.357 --> 00:32:23.898
And getting back to the books,

00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:25.641
I remember as a kid,

00:32:26.642 --> 00:32:27.582
the first time I ever heard the word

00:32:27.663 --> 00:32:29.443
nanosecond was in a Superman comic.

00:32:30.625 --> 00:32:32.507
And reading certain Fantastic Four and

00:32:32.586 --> 00:32:33.627
Iron Man books because they're

00:32:33.647 --> 00:32:34.409
science-based,

00:32:34.929 --> 00:32:38.192
you get a vocab that you wouldn't normally

00:32:38.251 --> 00:32:39.874
get if you weren't reading those kind of

00:32:39.913 --> 00:32:40.173
things.

00:32:40.594 --> 00:32:43.537
And so it's one of those things where

00:32:43.557 --> 00:32:44.037
like, yes,

00:32:44.857 --> 00:32:46.880
obviously comics have a certain kind of a

00:32:46.900 --> 00:32:49.201
stigma or had a certain stigma and yes

00:32:49.221 --> 00:32:51.623
they're not novels but the the vocabulary

00:32:51.682 --> 00:32:54.885
in them it can be quite technical and

00:32:55.006 --> 00:32:58.107
as long as you're reading and especially

00:32:58.127 --> 00:33:00.509
in today's um environment where

00:33:00.569 --> 00:33:03.172
everything's very visual being able to

00:33:03.192 --> 00:33:05.933
have that visual literacy as well as the

00:33:06.074 --> 00:33:09.175
words as well too just goes a long

00:33:09.215 --> 00:33:11.597
way so no matter how it really does

00:33:11.637 --> 00:33:12.318
just keep reading

00:33:13.189 --> 00:33:14.990
like i say the same thing about music

00:33:15.069 --> 00:33:17.510
and people are like well my kid wants

00:33:17.530 --> 00:33:19.611
to do this in music okay do it

00:33:20.451 --> 00:33:22.132
don't stop them my daughter's been playing

00:33:22.172 --> 00:33:25.653
piano since she was three nice and she

00:33:25.693 --> 00:33:27.773
still plays she she learned how to play

00:33:27.834 --> 00:33:30.355
flute she learned how to play oboe then

00:33:30.375 --> 00:33:31.836
she's like dad i want to learn how

00:33:31.855 --> 00:33:33.457
to play guitar so i was like okay

00:33:33.497 --> 00:33:35.237
well let's go find you a used guitar

00:33:35.277 --> 00:33:36.577
and we got her a used guitar

00:33:37.539 --> 00:33:39.601
Then we got her a used ukulele.

00:33:39.721 --> 00:33:40.642
Nice.

00:33:41.301 --> 00:33:42.782
She has two rooms in my house.

00:33:44.763 --> 00:33:47.425
One room is music instruments and manga

00:33:47.526 --> 00:33:48.425
and books.

00:33:49.067 --> 00:33:50.607
Then she sleeps and does homework in the

00:33:50.688 --> 00:33:51.807
other one.

00:33:51.847 --> 00:33:54.068
She has her own little library in the

00:33:54.088 --> 00:33:54.549
house.

00:33:54.970 --> 00:33:57.330
That's amazing.

00:33:57.351 --> 00:33:58.112
Except for the closet.

00:33:58.231 --> 00:33:59.512
I took over the closet because I have

00:33:59.553 --> 00:34:01.253
like thirty short boxes in there.

00:34:05.075 --> 00:34:05.457
You know what?

00:34:05.878 --> 00:34:07.607
As much as I love digital,

00:34:08.931 --> 00:34:11.592
I still have to have the real deal.

00:34:12.211 --> 00:34:13.492
It is something about it.

00:34:13.793 --> 00:34:16.653
It's the smell, the feel of the page.

00:34:19.614 --> 00:34:20.994
It's just so hard to...

00:34:21.436 --> 00:34:22.815
And I try to explain it to people.

00:34:22.835 --> 00:34:24.777
It's like going into that old bookstore.

00:34:25.336 --> 00:34:25.536
Yes.

00:34:25.657 --> 00:34:26.797
That old book smell,

00:34:26.856 --> 00:34:28.938
but there's something about a freshly

00:34:29.018 --> 00:34:32.559
printed single floppy issue of a comic

00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:32.880
book.

00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.721
It just feels so right in your hands.

00:34:36.181 --> 00:34:36.360
Yes.

00:34:37.784 --> 00:34:37.985
Yeah,

00:34:38.025 --> 00:34:39.465
and I don't think it can be duplicated,

00:34:39.907 --> 00:34:40.286
really.

00:34:40.867 --> 00:34:41.367
It can't.

00:34:41.987 --> 00:34:42.487
It really can't.

00:34:42.547 --> 00:34:43.869
I love getting digital words.

00:34:43.909 --> 00:34:45.170
I love reading digital words.

00:34:45.210 --> 00:34:47.431
That's how I get most of my indie

00:34:47.472 --> 00:34:50.293
books when people come on the podcast.

00:34:50.893 --> 00:34:52.514
And I love reading those because I can

00:34:52.594 --> 00:34:54.416
make the screen bigger and then I can

00:34:54.436 --> 00:34:56.057
start finding little Easter eggs hidden.

00:34:56.898 --> 00:34:59.500
But it's still just something about having

00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.862
that page right in front of you that

00:35:02.121 --> 00:35:02.782
is unbeatable.

00:35:02.802 --> 00:35:04.423
Yeah, definitely.

00:35:04.443 --> 00:35:06.405
And I think also, too –

00:35:06.786 --> 00:35:07.606
There's something...

00:35:07.626 --> 00:35:09.387
I'm not sure how to put it,

00:35:09.847 --> 00:35:13.369
but when you're actually not looking at it

00:35:13.389 --> 00:35:17.170
on the screen, the art pops differently.

00:35:18.152 --> 00:35:18.592
Yes.

00:35:19.271 --> 00:35:20.353
No, a hundred percent.

00:35:20.833 --> 00:35:24.094
It's... I don't know how to put that,

00:35:24.355 --> 00:35:27.615
but you get so many more details on

00:35:27.635 --> 00:35:30.398
the page than you do with the computer

00:35:30.438 --> 00:35:30.818
screen.

00:35:31.958 --> 00:35:32.199
And...

00:35:33.367 --> 00:35:36.489
you can you notice the little lines of

00:35:36.568 --> 00:35:38.668
stuff you know the shading looks different

00:35:38.708 --> 00:35:41.230
it's it's more defined on a actual printed

00:35:41.250 --> 00:35:46.931
page it's yeah yeah it's that it's that

00:35:46.990 --> 00:35:51.650
that ah yeah yeah that's it that feeling

00:35:52.032 --> 00:35:57.532
it's that feeling right there let's talk

00:35:57.572 --> 00:35:59.233
about your team steve

00:36:00.717 --> 00:36:04.259
So Peter Van Horn has a background in

00:36:04.338 --> 00:36:04.739
film.

00:36:05.018 --> 00:36:06.820
You always have a background in film.

00:36:07.541 --> 00:36:09.161
Talk to us about him and kind of

00:36:09.201 --> 00:36:11.041
like what it was like working with him,

00:36:11.141 --> 00:36:12.802
being a friend and knowing him for as

00:36:12.822 --> 00:36:13.603
long as you have.

00:36:13.983 --> 00:36:15.585
How was that like with y'all both hitting

00:36:15.605 --> 00:36:17.945
this comic, you know, dead on together?

00:36:18.617 --> 00:36:18.818
Well,

00:36:18.938 --> 00:36:20.079
Peter and I have known each other for

00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.159
years and I couldn't think of anyone else

00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.541
to bring on board for the project.

00:36:26.501 --> 00:36:27.981
And we've also, you know,

00:36:28.001 --> 00:36:29.382
worked on films together.

00:36:30.362 --> 00:36:31.724
We've done, you know,

00:36:31.764 --> 00:36:34.324
some work as assistant directors for a

00:36:34.364 --> 00:36:35.125
couple of films.

00:36:35.746 --> 00:36:39.246
Peter writes screenplays and, you know,

00:36:39.507 --> 00:36:41.527
we've worked together in terms of like

00:36:41.588 --> 00:36:42.688
writing think tanks and stuff.

00:36:42.708 --> 00:36:43.949
We've got some other ideas that are

00:36:43.989 --> 00:36:44.329
cooking.

00:36:45.190 --> 00:36:46.670
And so working with him is a joy

00:36:46.710 --> 00:36:47.610
because it's kind of like

00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:49.320
not quite Unimind,

00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.400
but we kind of think the same way.

00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.021
We kind of like the same shows,

00:36:54.862 --> 00:36:56.061
group around the same time.

00:36:56.141 --> 00:36:57.001
So, you know,

00:36:57.041 --> 00:36:59.342
whether it's cartoons of the seventies or

00:36:59.523 --> 00:37:00.922
police shows of the seventies and

00:37:00.983 --> 00:37:02.963
eighties, you know,

00:37:03.083 --> 00:37:04.903
mentioned some of the films earlier.

00:37:05.963 --> 00:37:07.465
We kind of have that same sort of

00:37:07.565 --> 00:37:09.545
DNA, creative DNA.

00:37:10.105 --> 00:37:10.925
And so it's just great.

00:37:10.965 --> 00:37:11.965
So if we have an idea,

00:37:12.206 --> 00:37:13.166
if he has an idea and wants to

00:37:13.186 --> 00:37:14.226
take the script in one way,

00:37:14.286 --> 00:37:15.567
or I see it as a different way,

00:37:15.927 --> 00:37:17.086
it's pretty easy to kind of,

00:37:18.106 --> 00:37:19.688
find a spot that works,

00:37:19.927 --> 00:37:21.347
even if you don't necessarily always

00:37:21.387 --> 00:37:21.807
agree.

00:37:23.829 --> 00:37:24.969
But that's perfect, though,

00:37:25.210 --> 00:37:26.369
that you have somebody there.

00:37:26.829 --> 00:37:27.710
Yeah, you're friends.

00:37:27.789 --> 00:37:29.831
Yeah, you have very similar taste,

00:37:29.931 --> 00:37:32.452
but they're also not afraid to say no

00:37:32.472 --> 00:37:35.112
or hey, maybe yes instead.

00:37:35.512 --> 00:37:37.152
And that to me is like the perfect

00:37:37.693 --> 00:37:39.293
partnership to write, you know?

00:37:39.693 --> 00:37:41.574
Yeah, it's absolutely necessary.

00:37:42.554 --> 00:37:44.556
Like I was talking to

00:37:46.288 --> 00:37:47.407
okay, I'll just put it out there.

00:37:48.668 --> 00:37:50.210
The chairman is working on something.

00:37:50.789 --> 00:37:53.331
I've already got my artist picked out with

00:37:53.371 --> 00:37:54.170
Francisco.

00:37:55.210 --> 00:37:57.132
Me and him are very similar taste when

00:37:57.172 --> 00:37:58.733
it comes to horror comic books.

00:37:59.193 --> 00:38:00.494
And he was just going to be the

00:38:00.634 --> 00:38:03.014
perfect bet for me for this project.

00:38:05.574 --> 00:38:08.617
But we were shooting ideas back and forth

00:38:09.016 --> 00:38:10.396
and he hit me with something I didn't

00:38:10.416 --> 00:38:11.998
even think about and a character I didn't

00:38:12.018 --> 00:38:13.518
even think about for it.

00:38:13.818 --> 00:38:14.219
I was like,

00:38:15.318 --> 00:38:17.360
dude, no, that's perfect.

00:38:18.121 --> 00:38:19.262
He's like, we're missing a third.

00:38:19.422 --> 00:38:22.123
Because there's stories within stories

00:38:22.143 --> 00:38:23.023
within stories.

00:38:23.483 --> 00:38:24.644
And I had the first two down.

00:38:24.724 --> 00:38:25.746
I knew what I was doing.

00:38:26.626 --> 00:38:28.588
And he hit me one day randomly for

00:38:28.608 --> 00:38:30.889
the third, the background story.

00:38:31.489 --> 00:38:34.612
And I was just like, dude, that's amazing.

00:38:34.632 --> 00:38:35.592
I'm like,

00:38:35.853 --> 00:38:37.233
he hadn't even crossed my mind yet,

00:38:37.293 --> 00:38:37.954
this character.

00:38:38.653 --> 00:38:40.815
But he fits perfect into what we're trying

00:38:40.856 --> 00:38:41.896
to do with this story.

00:38:42.916 --> 00:38:45.139
So I was just like, yep,

00:38:45.358 --> 00:38:46.300
save that email.

00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:47.621
We went over to this one where we're

00:38:47.643 --> 00:38:49.103
having our discussion because we're just

00:38:49.184 --> 00:38:50.286
back and forth, back and forth,

00:38:50.306 --> 00:38:50.927
back and forth.

00:38:51.327 --> 00:38:52.548
You know, it's how you do it.

00:38:52.588 --> 00:38:53.510
You know, when you're brainstorming,

00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:55.532
he's my co-writer, he's my artist.

00:38:56.373 --> 00:38:56.875
And yeah.

00:38:57.755 --> 00:38:59.237
I'll probably reach out to some of the

00:38:59.297 --> 00:39:00.918
other people who's been on the podcast

00:39:00.938 --> 00:39:02.099
from an art perspective.

00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:03.501
Like, hey,

00:39:03.541 --> 00:39:04.641
would you be willing to do me a

00:39:04.702 --> 00:39:05.802
cover for this book?

00:39:06.623 --> 00:39:08.804
And it's going to be a fun book.

00:39:08.844 --> 00:39:10.666
If you're big into universal monsters like

00:39:10.686 --> 00:39:13.389
we are, it's going to be something fun.

00:39:13.409 --> 00:39:13.509
Nice.

00:39:13.909 --> 00:39:14.250
Nice.

00:39:14.269 --> 00:39:15.791
Looking forward to that.

00:39:17.516 --> 00:39:20.257
but so, and then you have your artists,

00:39:20.498 --> 00:39:22.137
Lucas, the lobby.

00:39:22.697 --> 00:39:23.858
Yeah, you got it.

00:39:23.998 --> 00:39:24.219
You got it.

00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:24.438
Right.

00:39:24.958 --> 00:39:26.199
And you, we, we touched about,

00:39:26.619 --> 00:39:27.960
were we live when we were talking about

00:39:27.980 --> 00:39:28.119
him?

00:39:28.179 --> 00:39:29.679
Are we still offline when we were talking

00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:30.280
about it?

00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:32.041
I think we might've been live, but, um,

00:39:32.101 --> 00:39:32.320
okay.

00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:34.240
But still Brazil,

00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:35.961
you're heading down there soon to do a

00:39:36.081 --> 00:39:37.282
in-store signing with him,

00:39:37.302 --> 00:39:39.521
which is in a million years,

00:39:39.561 --> 00:39:41.063
would you have thought you'd be flying to

00:39:41.103 --> 00:39:41.563
Brazil?

00:39:42.795 --> 00:39:45.117
to meet up with Lucas and sign Atrium

00:39:45.936 --> 00:39:48.117
live in the store?

00:39:48.277 --> 00:39:49.139
No, no.

00:39:49.219 --> 00:39:50.659
Say Apollo of all places.

00:39:50.958 --> 00:39:51.579
Yeah, no,

00:39:52.019 --> 00:39:54.601
I it's kind of like it's wild,

00:39:54.641 --> 00:39:57.041
like even even thinking back that this was

00:39:57.101 --> 00:39:59.722
even a possibility when we started or even

00:39:59.802 --> 00:40:02.503
going to the different cons across Canada

00:40:02.784 --> 00:40:05.204
and in the US wouldn't have thought that

00:40:05.224 --> 00:40:06.326
this was a possibility.

00:40:06.666 --> 00:40:09.467
And actually finally being able to meet

00:40:09.527 --> 00:40:10.648
Lucas is great because like

00:40:11.998 --> 00:40:15.161
Countless Zoom meetings and catching up

00:40:16.623 --> 00:40:17.184
with each other.

00:40:17.284 --> 00:40:19.286
Not only what are you working on,

00:40:19.327 --> 00:40:20.827
how far, what issue you're on,

00:40:21.309 --> 00:40:22.269
how's the translation going,

00:40:22.289 --> 00:40:22.971
that kind of stuff.

00:40:23.010 --> 00:40:24.472
But also talking about each other's

00:40:24.492 --> 00:40:27.675
families and just checking in to see how

00:40:28.177 --> 00:40:28.958
each other are doing.

00:40:30.184 --> 00:40:32.306
that's made this book even more special

00:40:32.327 --> 00:40:33.668
because it's a team.

00:40:34.047 --> 00:40:34.628
It's an international team.

00:40:34.648 --> 00:40:35.829
You built a friendship with it, you know?

00:40:36.289 --> 00:40:37.331
Yeah, absolutely.

00:40:37.630 --> 00:40:41.373
And I'm just fortunate to be able to

00:40:41.514 --> 00:40:44.356
have found Lucas and that working with him

00:40:44.376 --> 00:40:45.797
has been such a tight fit,

00:40:46.217 --> 00:40:47.858
but also he knocked it out of the

00:40:47.898 --> 00:40:48.139
park.

00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:49.579
Between Lucas.

00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:50.340
He really did.

00:40:50.681 --> 00:40:51.101
Oh, yeah.

00:40:51.201 --> 00:40:54.681
And then the awesome colors by Nikos and

00:40:54.722 --> 00:40:55.282
Mike Horst.

00:40:55.302 --> 00:40:55.561
Yep.

00:40:56.663 --> 00:40:57.782
That was next on the list.

00:40:58.362 --> 00:40:59.083
Absolutely.

00:40:59.244 --> 00:41:01.505
It's just absolutely, you know,

00:41:01.525 --> 00:41:03.344
like when you like found gold kind of.

00:41:03.625 --> 00:41:04.445
Oh, yeah.

00:41:04.585 --> 00:41:06.505
And Nikos and I have been friends for

00:41:06.525 --> 00:41:07.226
a long time.

00:41:08.327 --> 00:41:09.806
I've done some artwork and he's done some

00:41:09.827 --> 00:41:10.628
of the colors for it.

00:41:11.027 --> 00:41:12.628
And he was a no brainer for us

00:41:12.969 --> 00:41:13.768
to do this book.

00:41:14.568 --> 00:41:16.269
and you know he helped us out a

00:41:16.331 --> 00:41:18.132
lot in terms of like he's worked on

00:41:18.172 --> 00:41:20.554
savage dragon with eric larson for years

00:41:21.855 --> 00:41:24.376
severely severely underrated comic book

00:41:24.476 --> 00:41:26.057
especially the earlier stuff from the

00:41:26.117 --> 00:41:28.860
nineties because what i love about it is

00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.322
like the nineties had this weird boom

00:41:31.362 --> 00:41:33.322
where image just printed well not just

00:41:33.422 --> 00:41:36.045
image but marvel dc everybody was printing

00:41:36.065 --> 00:41:38.726
like it was going out of style yeah

00:41:38.746 --> 00:41:39.007
like

00:41:39.963 --> 00:41:43.224
Death of Superman isn't worth five bucks.

00:41:43.784 --> 00:41:44.445
You know what I'm saying?

00:41:44.485 --> 00:41:46.105
Because there were so many copies of that

00:41:46.164 --> 00:41:46.664
printed.

00:41:47.246 --> 00:41:49.126
I'm so happy that when they did this

00:41:49.246 --> 00:41:50.867
thirtieth anniversary edition,

00:41:50.887 --> 00:41:53.347
they just did earlier this year.

00:41:53.947 --> 00:41:55.548
It didn't get a massive run.

00:41:56.989 --> 00:41:59.570
So what we're having right now is the

00:41:59.710 --> 00:42:01.570
thirtieth anniversary of the death of

00:42:01.610 --> 00:42:03.891
Superman is worth more.

00:42:05.356 --> 00:42:07.436
then the original death of superman

00:42:07.476 --> 00:42:11.338
because the run was so ridiculous yes yeah

00:42:11.398 --> 00:42:14.521
savage dragon from the nineties didn't get

00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.342
uh just ridiculous runs like that and

00:42:17.382 --> 00:42:19.922
neither did spawn i think young blood may

00:42:19.963 --> 00:42:23.565
have had a kind of uh over you

00:42:23.585 --> 00:42:25.746
know populated run but that was a rob

00:42:25.786 --> 00:42:27.166
lightfield thing yeah

00:42:28.523 --> 00:42:32.264
but yeah savage dragon's just always been

00:42:32.826 --> 00:42:34.445
he's a fun character you know he's like

00:42:34.505 --> 00:42:39.648
lobo and deadpool ugly baby yeah

00:42:39.847 --> 00:42:42.829
definitely and and um you know working

00:42:42.869 --> 00:42:44.849
with with nikos like we'd have

00:42:44.889 --> 00:42:47.070
conversations as well too he's based out

00:42:47.110 --> 00:42:48.371
of greece he and mike are out of

00:42:48.411 --> 00:42:48.771
greece

00:42:49.831 --> 00:42:50.172
Oh, nice.

00:42:50.211 --> 00:42:51.552
Beautiful, beautiful area.

00:42:51.813 --> 00:42:52.632
Oh, absolutely.

00:42:53.012 --> 00:42:53.773
And, you know,

00:42:54.014 --> 00:42:57.614
just with his talent and his eye and

00:42:57.655 --> 00:42:59.496
just like both of them are just great,

00:42:59.695 --> 00:43:00.356
great guys.

00:43:00.996 --> 00:43:02.876
It also then helps when, you know,

00:43:02.996 --> 00:43:04.157
you're working professionally and it's

00:43:04.177 --> 00:43:05.077
like, hey, Steve,

00:43:05.097 --> 00:43:06.679
you might want to tweak this with his

00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:08.858
professional opinion on stuff.

00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:10.960
And one of the things that, you know,

00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:11.500
it's kind of like,

00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:13.661
I don't know how else to put this,

00:43:13.701 --> 00:43:14.521
but it's like, you know,

00:43:14.541 --> 00:43:16.101
like when you have really talented people

00:43:16.141 --> 00:43:16.641
in positions,

00:43:16.661 --> 00:43:18.202
whether it's sports or whatever.

00:43:18.222 --> 00:43:18.543
Oh, yeah.

00:43:19.570 --> 00:43:21.710
Don't overmanage them.

00:43:22.411 --> 00:43:23.612
Yeah, they know what they're doing.

00:43:24.032 --> 00:43:25.552
Just let them run, right?

00:43:25.791 --> 00:43:27.813
That's why you always surround yourself

00:43:27.853 --> 00:43:29.472
with people smarter than you.

00:43:29.833 --> 00:43:30.152
Absolutely.

00:43:30.213 --> 00:43:31.634
All great leaders do it,

00:43:31.994 --> 00:43:34.454
and it applies across the board.

00:43:34.474 --> 00:43:36.474
Whether you're writing a comic book or

00:43:36.574 --> 00:43:37.434
running a company,

00:43:37.815 --> 00:43:40.695
surround yourself with people smarter than

00:43:40.715 --> 00:43:41.115
you are.

00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:42.900
Oh, definitely.

00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.422
And, and we, we all kind of like,

00:43:45.442 --> 00:43:45.762
we're like,

00:43:45.862 --> 00:43:46.804
this is the way we're going to go

00:43:46.844 --> 00:43:49.065
because we felt that we're going to get

00:43:49.186 --> 00:43:50.686
more out of,

00:43:51.188 --> 00:43:52.449
out of everyone on the team.

00:43:52.989 --> 00:43:54.291
If you kind of let them kind of

00:43:54.311 --> 00:43:56.052
like have loose shoulders,

00:43:56.152 --> 00:43:56.833
if you know what I mean.

00:43:56.893 --> 00:43:59.576
We're not going to leave out your letter,

00:43:59.856 --> 00:44:00.797
Gregory Parkin,

00:44:00.976 --> 00:44:03.280
who's worked on some iconic brands.

00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:04.521
Yes, exactly.

00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:07.340
I always say,

00:44:07.619 --> 00:44:09.001
and I will say it to the day

00:44:09.061 --> 00:44:09.481
I die,

00:44:10.021 --> 00:44:13.342
lettering can make or break a comic book.

00:44:13.463 --> 00:44:16.463
It could be the most beautiful book out

00:44:16.483 --> 00:44:16.643
there.

00:44:16.664 --> 00:44:18.664
It could have beautiful characters,

00:44:18.724 --> 00:44:20.965
beautiful colors, beautiful line work,

00:44:21.324 --> 00:44:22.465
a beautiful story.

00:44:23.885 --> 00:44:26.626
But if those letterings are not where they

00:44:26.666 --> 00:44:28.367
should be or they're covering up an

00:44:28.628 --> 00:44:30.369
important piece of a story or...

00:44:31.414 --> 00:44:33.615
just not where you want it to be,

00:44:34.456 --> 00:44:35.818
it makes or break your comic book.

00:44:36.099 --> 00:44:38.101
And also it could be over, you know,

00:44:38.121 --> 00:44:40.063
convoluted with words on a page.

00:44:40.684 --> 00:44:41.985
You don't want it to look like somebody

00:44:42.164 --> 00:44:44.887
regurgitated the alphabet on a single page

00:44:44.927 --> 00:44:45.789
of a comic book.

00:44:46.510 --> 00:44:48.351
Unless the page is a splash page and

00:44:48.391 --> 00:44:50.514
it's like, you know, like, hey, you know,

00:44:50.855 --> 00:44:52.056
it's telling you kind of like,

00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:54.659
Like, hey, in this CD,

00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:55.960
it's twenty seventy eight.

00:44:56.001 --> 00:44:56.920
And it's kind of giving you a little

00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:57.981
background information.

00:44:58.001 --> 00:45:00.601
That's the only time words should look

00:45:00.621 --> 00:45:02.521
like they've been regurgitated on a page.

00:45:03.101 --> 00:45:03.342
Right.

00:45:04.121 --> 00:45:06.322
Right.

00:45:06.342 --> 00:45:08.443
So the crazy thing about lettering is it's

00:45:08.782 --> 00:45:10.804
it's it's akin to sound design in a

00:45:10.864 --> 00:45:11.204
film.

00:45:12.264 --> 00:45:14.023
Like you don't really notice it until it's

00:45:14.224 --> 00:45:14.684
not great.

00:45:15.465 --> 00:45:16.045
You know what I mean?

00:45:16.425 --> 00:45:18.184
But great sound design makes for a great

00:45:18.224 --> 00:45:20.545
film and great lettering makes for a great

00:45:20.585 --> 00:45:21.106
comic book.

00:45:21.943 --> 00:45:24.606
And, you know, it's like Voltron, right?

00:45:25.128 --> 00:45:27.911
All the lions come together to form the

00:45:27.951 --> 00:45:28.210
mech.

00:45:28.811 --> 00:45:29.753
It's the same thing with a comic book.

00:45:29.992 --> 00:45:31.855
That entire team has to come together,

00:45:31.914 --> 00:45:32.936
whether it's your editor,

00:45:33.556 --> 00:45:34.998
whether it's the person who's doing the

00:45:35.018 --> 00:45:37.101
design, your writers, your artists.

00:45:37.121 --> 00:45:37.902
Like, don't get me wrong.

00:45:38.121 --> 00:45:39.262
The artist is kind of like the lead

00:45:39.302 --> 00:45:41.806
singer in a comic book.

00:45:41.865 --> 00:45:43.146
And then maybe the writer is the lead

00:45:43.186 --> 00:45:43.708
guitarist.

00:45:45.028 --> 00:45:46.789
Colorist might be the drummer.

00:45:47.829 --> 00:45:49.570
Letterer might do bass.

00:45:50.090 --> 00:45:51.271
But for the most part,

00:45:51.510 --> 00:45:54.391
everyone has to be on point for the

00:45:54.431 --> 00:45:56.192
final product to slap.

00:45:56.851 --> 00:45:58.432
And we were really lucky.

00:45:58.592 --> 00:46:01.474
And I don't want to go too above

00:46:01.534 --> 00:46:03.514
and beyond saying that we hit all of

00:46:03.534 --> 00:46:04.074
our marks.

00:46:04.554 --> 00:46:07.074
But the reaction that we're getting from

00:46:07.135 --> 00:46:08.956
people who have read the book and have

00:46:09.016 --> 00:46:11.836
reviewed it or have come back to us

00:46:11.896 --> 00:46:12.496
at cons,

00:46:13.858 --> 00:46:14.498
We did all right.

00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:16.480
You hit your mark.

00:46:16.539 --> 00:46:17.179
You hit your mark.

00:46:17.260 --> 00:46:18.661
I'll go ahead and say you hit your

00:46:18.701 --> 00:46:19.041
mark.

00:46:19.601 --> 00:46:20.543
Thank you.

00:46:20.603 --> 00:46:22.103
If you were a quartet,

00:46:24.065 --> 00:46:25.005
you sound beautiful.

00:46:25.025 --> 00:46:25.905
Well, thank you.

00:46:26.987 --> 00:46:27.166
No.

00:46:27.226 --> 00:46:29.088
And here's the thing, right?

00:46:30.230 --> 00:46:31.489
There's a lot of stuff out there in

00:46:31.510 --> 00:46:32.170
the marketplace.

00:46:32.710 --> 00:46:34.130
So whether it's manga,

00:46:34.431 --> 00:46:36.231
whether it's comic books,

00:46:36.251 --> 00:46:37.092
whether it's indie,

00:46:37.692 --> 00:46:40.032
there's way more stuff out there than ever

00:46:40.072 --> 00:46:40.552
before.

00:46:40.773 --> 00:46:42.512
Like you were mentioning Italian artists,

00:46:42.733 --> 00:46:43.873
there's French artists.

00:46:45.634 --> 00:46:46.634
South America is booming.

00:46:46.653 --> 00:46:48.655
South America is booming, right?

00:46:48.695 --> 00:46:49.454
The Philippines.

00:46:49.954 --> 00:46:51.675
So you have art everywhere.

00:46:52.016 --> 00:46:53.675
Philippines is a sleeper, man.

00:46:53.916 --> 00:46:54.896
Absolute sleeper.

00:46:54.936 --> 00:46:55.956
Singapore as well.

00:46:56.336 --> 00:46:56.896
Mm-hmm.

00:46:57.655 --> 00:46:59.478
that's where our germ is from is he's

00:46:59.518 --> 00:47:01.219
singapore right i think so i think so

00:47:01.659 --> 00:47:03.460
right so yeah and and so when you

00:47:03.501 --> 00:47:06.063
think about like how much works out there

00:47:06.103 --> 00:47:08.123
like when we were kids i'm a little

00:47:08.143 --> 00:47:09.545
bit older than you but like when we

00:47:09.565 --> 00:47:12.186
were kids you were lucky to get stuff

00:47:12.387 --> 00:47:14.949
out of japan right oh yeah and like

00:47:15.028 --> 00:47:16.750
you may have kira was the really the

00:47:16.829 --> 00:47:18.751
first thing i can remember from japan

00:47:19.771 --> 00:47:20.032
For me,

00:47:20.072 --> 00:47:21.932
it would have been Gatchaman or Battle of

00:47:21.952 --> 00:47:23.695
the Planets, as it was called back then.

00:47:23.795 --> 00:47:24.715
OK.

00:47:25.275 --> 00:47:26.416
And then we had Robotech.

00:47:26.677 --> 00:47:27.577
So those are kind of cool.

00:47:27.637 --> 00:47:28.018
Yeah.

00:47:28.117 --> 00:47:29.259
Right.

00:47:30.579 --> 00:47:32.141
And so if you think back then,

00:47:32.802 --> 00:47:35.284
you didn't have like and to get and

00:47:35.523 --> 00:47:36.684
to get proper anime,

00:47:36.764 --> 00:47:38.527
you had to go to like some like

00:47:38.827 --> 00:47:40.307
out of the way video store that had

00:47:40.347 --> 00:47:40.849
bootlegs.

00:47:42.289 --> 00:47:43.931
You couldn't just stumble across this

00:47:43.951 --> 00:47:44.331
stuff.

00:47:44.751 --> 00:47:46.251
So if it wasn't for something like Heavy

00:47:46.311 --> 00:47:46.610
Metal,

00:47:46.811 --> 00:47:48.512
where you would get some European art,

00:47:49.152 --> 00:47:49.431
right?

00:47:49.452 --> 00:47:50.672
Oh, yeah.

00:47:50.753 --> 00:47:52.972
It was basically just one type of,

00:47:53.172 --> 00:47:54.353
if it was a mainstream comic book,

00:47:54.373 --> 00:47:54.753
it was it.

00:47:55.454 --> 00:47:57.293
Unless you like something like Tintin or

00:47:57.333 --> 00:47:58.574
something like that, right?

00:47:58.614 --> 00:48:01.094
So I will say I will forever be

00:48:01.536 --> 00:48:03.695
grateful to Heavy Metal because it

00:48:03.755 --> 00:48:05.496
introduced me to Frank Frazita.

00:48:05.976 --> 00:48:06.356
Oh, yeah.

00:48:07.177 --> 00:48:10.318
And I've loved his work ever since the

00:48:10.458 --> 00:48:11.998
first time I saw it.

00:48:12.539 --> 00:48:12.958
Definitely.

00:48:12.998 --> 00:48:13.679
And even today,

00:48:13.739 --> 00:48:15.599
I'm so happy that his kids are running

00:48:15.619 --> 00:48:17.119
the Frank Frazita Museum.

00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:19.221
So his art is still out there.

00:48:19.240 --> 00:48:21.342
It's still being, you know,

00:48:21.442 --> 00:48:25.043
reproduced and like you always know.

00:48:26.686 --> 00:48:27.746
a Frank Frazito work.

00:48:28.106 --> 00:48:29.807
Like the style, the tones,

00:48:29.987 --> 00:48:30.668
just everything.

00:48:30.708 --> 00:48:33.108
You see it, you immediately know.

00:48:33.148 --> 00:48:35.248
And that's what draws me still to comics

00:48:35.289 --> 00:48:35.829
today.

00:48:36.550 --> 00:48:38.309
I will see something and it will look...

00:48:39.489 --> 00:48:42.891
I'm trying to think.

00:48:43.010 --> 00:48:46.572
Ani Press is doing their new sci-fi book

00:48:46.592 --> 00:48:47.152
they're doing.

00:48:49.313 --> 00:48:51.994
But it's very reminiscent of Frank Frazito

00:48:52.134 --> 00:48:53.514
art in certain aspects.

00:48:53.554 --> 00:48:55.635
So I'm just like...

00:48:56.871 --> 00:48:58.612
And I love a good anthology comic to

00:48:58.632 --> 00:48:59.253
begin with,

00:49:00.112 --> 00:49:02.454
but anything that resembles Frank

00:49:02.474 --> 00:49:03.815
Frazita's artwork,

00:49:03.894 --> 00:49:05.175
or you could tell when the artist has

00:49:05.195 --> 00:49:06.735
been heavily influenced by him.

00:49:07.835 --> 00:49:09.657
I'm like, the story doesn't really matter.

00:49:09.677 --> 00:49:10.757
I just want to look at the art.

00:49:11.097 --> 00:49:12.498
If I get a good story, cool.

00:49:12.538 --> 00:49:14.719
But if the art is reminiscent of Frank

00:49:14.739 --> 00:49:16.458
Frazita, I'm on it.

00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:17.960
Like I'll take that.

00:49:18.579 --> 00:49:18.920
Yeah.

00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:19.179
Yeah.

00:49:19.219 --> 00:49:20.760
Can't, can't go wrong with that for sure.

00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:23.322
And like, I remember as a kid, um,

00:49:24.155 --> 00:49:25.114
I think it was the artist who did

00:49:25.155 --> 00:49:25.554
Druna.

00:49:26.014 --> 00:49:26.496
I'd love.

00:49:26.556 --> 00:49:27.476
Okay.

00:49:27.596 --> 00:49:29.275
I can't remember the name at this moment,

00:49:29.315 --> 00:49:30.876
but it was almost like a pencil crayon

00:49:31.597 --> 00:49:35.818
kind of rendering with lots of attaching,

00:49:35.958 --> 00:49:36.818
just great stuff.

00:49:37.358 --> 00:49:38.518
And then John Buscema,

00:49:38.538 --> 00:49:40.179
who's doing like the Conan books,

00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:43.500
like the sort of with Ernie doing the

00:49:43.619 --> 00:49:45.760
inks, like it's stuff like that.

00:49:45.900 --> 00:49:47.099
And then getting back to the original

00:49:47.139 --> 00:49:48.721
point with all the stuff out there,

00:49:49.601 --> 00:49:51.782
when someone can still look at your work

00:49:52.242 --> 00:49:53.362
or a book that you're a part of,

00:49:53.889 --> 00:49:57.311
go hey we like that that that says

00:49:57.351 --> 00:49:59.373
something like it's a good feeling it just

00:49:59.414 --> 00:50:00.775
means like okay we're in we're in the

00:50:00.815 --> 00:50:03.318
right direction and you know in this

00:50:03.418 --> 00:50:07.842
little tiny corner of readerdom some

00:50:07.882 --> 00:50:09.282
people actually like what we're doing so

00:50:09.302 --> 00:50:11.085
that's that's rewarding you know it's

00:50:11.144 --> 00:50:13.407
always really cool and i always like i

00:50:13.427 --> 00:50:15.608
know your kickstarter has already closed

00:50:16.208 --> 00:50:17.349
but i always enjoy

00:50:18.378 --> 00:50:20.139
like watching the Kickstarters, you know,

00:50:20.260 --> 00:50:21.621
of people who have been on the podcast

00:50:21.641 --> 00:50:23.463
and just watching it climb and climb.

00:50:23.483 --> 00:50:24.824
And then when it finally hits its goal,

00:50:24.864 --> 00:50:28.467
I'm like, yeah, people love the project.

00:50:28.487 --> 00:50:29.807
So people are going to back it.

00:50:29.927 --> 00:50:34.271
You, you put yourself out there and it's,

00:50:34.291 --> 00:50:36.592
you know, you're,

00:50:36.652 --> 00:50:38.414
you're literally just putting a piece of

00:50:38.434 --> 00:50:40.315
your soul out there for somebody to look

00:50:40.396 --> 00:50:42.717
at and to critique and to say, Hey,

00:50:42.777 --> 00:50:43.797
is this good or not?

00:50:44.978 --> 00:50:45.458
And, um,

00:50:46.699 --> 00:50:49.159
it takes a lot of gumption to do

00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:53.721
that yeah it it does but i think

00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:56.581
that no matter like where you are on

00:50:56.601 --> 00:50:58.682
the on the journey you just put it

00:50:58.742 --> 00:51:01.563
out there because it might be your first

00:51:01.704 --> 00:51:03.824
one like if you look at james cameron

00:51:04.864 --> 00:51:09.106
everyone might think t-two avatar yeah but

00:51:09.146 --> 00:51:11.007
they don't necessarily remember piranha

00:51:11.487 --> 00:51:11.766
right

00:51:12.518 --> 00:51:13.878
I do because I love that movie.

00:51:13.978 --> 00:51:14.219
Right.

00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:14.500
Great.

00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:14.940
I love B-Horror.

00:51:15.099 --> 00:51:17.541
I love that kind of stuff.

00:51:17.621 --> 00:51:18.402
It's great stuff.

00:51:18.483 --> 00:51:18.722
Right.

00:51:18.903 --> 00:51:21.905
But you got to start somewhere basically.

00:51:22.487 --> 00:51:24.829
And don't let kind of like the end

00:51:24.869 --> 00:51:26.750
product of someone who's at like their

00:51:26.829 --> 00:51:30.554
twentieth year of their journey hold you

00:51:30.574 --> 00:51:31.014
back.

00:51:31.554 --> 00:51:33.896
Put it out there and then keep going.

00:51:33.916 --> 00:51:35.277
You think of Eastman and Laird and their

00:51:35.358 --> 00:51:36.838
first TMNT books.

00:51:36.878 --> 00:51:37.159
Right.

00:51:37.278 --> 00:51:37.599
Yeah.

00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:40.860
The art is not as polished as it

00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:42.280
would have been later on because like

00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:43.702
they're figuring stuff out.

00:51:44.242 --> 00:51:46.643
From literally the living room of their

00:51:47.264 --> 00:51:48.585
apartment in New York City.

00:51:48.985 --> 00:51:49.585
Absolutely.

00:51:50.166 --> 00:51:50.387
Right.

00:51:50.427 --> 00:51:52.648
So, I mean, and it doesn't like young,

00:51:53.449 --> 00:51:56.751
old, put it out there.

00:51:56.831 --> 00:51:58.632
And with web comics and different ways of

00:51:58.672 --> 00:51:59.552
getting it out there,

00:52:00.052 --> 00:52:01.673
you don't have to necessarily be like,

00:52:01.934 --> 00:52:03.114
you know, have the stomach.

00:52:03.135 --> 00:52:06.878
Shout out to like Gumroad and Kofi doing

00:52:06.958 --> 00:52:08.739
great things for artists like that.

00:52:10.105 --> 00:52:11.686
and it's crazy because now marvel and dc

00:52:11.726 --> 00:52:14.007
are doing the webcomic thing like they

00:52:14.067 --> 00:52:16.869
realize these are spaces that you can't

00:52:17.028 --> 00:52:19.990
ignore anymore or think that it's outside

00:52:20.030 --> 00:52:21.331
of their purview you got to get in

00:52:21.351 --> 00:52:24.954
there oh absolutely let's talk about the

00:52:25.054 --> 00:52:27.675
heart of the story a little bit atrium

00:52:27.795 --> 00:52:31.518
is a thriller but it's very deeply i

00:52:31.538 --> 00:52:33.559
want to say it's human even though there's

00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:36.400
vampires involved but the theme of it

00:52:38.202 --> 00:52:44.804
is very much rooted in human um emotion

00:52:45.684 --> 00:52:48.826
i guess is the word i'm looking for

00:52:48.846 --> 00:52:50.365
kind of like what do you want the

00:52:50.425 --> 00:52:52.286
people who are reading this comic to take

00:52:52.326 --> 00:52:57.547
away from it because it very much the

00:52:58.068 --> 00:53:02.409
the story is the word i'm looking for

00:53:02.509 --> 00:53:02.708
it's

00:53:07.757 --> 00:53:09.577
brain farting so bad right now it's

00:53:09.619 --> 00:53:13.400
embarrassing but um like literally life

00:53:13.601 --> 00:53:16.244
and death in the way humans and vampires

00:53:16.324 --> 00:53:20.527
live together or at a standstill basically

00:53:20.567 --> 00:53:25.391
for this one heart that could either unite

00:53:25.471 --> 00:53:29.112
us or you know completely divide us away

00:53:29.132 --> 00:53:29.673
from each other

00:53:31.181 --> 00:53:31.581
Yeah,

00:53:31.742 --> 00:53:33.965
I think what we were kind of going

00:53:34.445 --> 00:53:36.789
for is that we wanted to tell a

00:53:36.909 --> 00:53:40.574
story that had some stakes that mattered,

00:53:41.255 --> 00:53:41.554
right?

00:53:42.876 --> 00:53:44.298
It sounds corny saying it,

00:53:44.318 --> 00:53:45.139
but it has to have heart.

00:53:45.179 --> 00:53:46.422
I remember working with a director once

00:53:46.442 --> 00:53:46.621
who said,

00:53:46.641 --> 00:53:48.423
as long as your story has heart,

00:53:50.070 --> 00:53:51.030
Literally in this case.

00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:52.291
Literally has one in a box.

00:53:53.552 --> 00:53:54.851
But it's one of those things where like,

00:53:55.472 --> 00:53:55.652
you know,

00:53:55.672 --> 00:53:57.333
like how the villain is the hero of

00:53:57.353 --> 00:54:00.713
his own story, their own story, or,

00:54:00.853 --> 00:54:02.353
and the hero has their journey.

00:54:03.273 --> 00:54:05.735
We want to tell a story where like,

00:54:05.775 --> 00:54:07.695
we all have our paths and we all

00:54:07.735 --> 00:54:09.896
have choices,

00:54:09.936 --> 00:54:11.195
but the main thing that we all want

00:54:11.215 --> 00:54:12.155
to do is just kind of want to

00:54:12.215 --> 00:54:15.717
live and survive and to thrive.

00:54:16.797 --> 00:54:18.617
And where things get lost is like,

00:54:19.335 --> 00:54:20.775
Maybe someone's a little bit more greedy.

00:54:21.237 --> 00:54:23.097
Maybe someone's a little bit more fearful.

00:54:24.059 --> 00:54:25.599
Someone is a little bit more passive.

00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:27.141
And so then you get these kind of

00:54:27.282 --> 00:54:28.742
ebbs and flows with things.

00:54:29.463 --> 00:54:31.485
And so we did see some prejudice in

00:54:31.525 --> 00:54:32.246
this story.

00:54:32.666 --> 00:54:33.367
Oh, absolutely.

00:54:33.487 --> 00:54:34.467
And so and, you know,

00:54:34.487 --> 00:54:36.048
the old classic thing of what you don't

00:54:36.088 --> 00:54:37.510
understand, you tend to hate.

00:54:37.530 --> 00:54:37.710
Yeah.

00:54:38.490 --> 00:54:40.612
and and and you know getting back to

00:54:40.632 --> 00:54:42.153
like kind of like the artists and

00:54:42.315 --> 00:54:45.697
musicians and stuff sometimes the artist

00:54:46.418 --> 00:54:48.880
wants to be a musician and sometimes the

00:54:48.940 --> 00:54:51.282
musician doesn't want to play in a band

00:54:51.322 --> 00:54:52.744
they would much rather be an artist or

00:54:52.764 --> 00:54:55.666
a writer or play sports or something so

00:54:55.925 --> 00:54:58.668
does your destiny or does your path in

00:54:58.728 --> 00:55:01.530
life tell you exactly what you are does

00:55:01.550 --> 00:55:03.032
that make you what you are or is

00:55:03.112 --> 00:55:03.213
it

00:55:04.458 --> 00:55:06.179
how you how you go about life how

00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.199
you you you do things and so whether

00:55:09.739 --> 00:55:11.280
you know there's some vampires in the

00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.061
story just because you're a vampire

00:55:14.121 --> 00:55:15.702
doesn't necessarily mean that you act and

00:55:15.742 --> 00:55:18.003
behave or think in a certain way yeah

00:55:18.063 --> 00:55:20.664
no the vampires in the story were very

00:55:20.784 --> 00:55:22.045
human and that's what i think i was

00:55:22.085 --> 00:55:24.367
trying to say earlier is they are very

00:55:24.387 --> 00:55:27.907
much human with human emotions and the

00:55:27.947 --> 00:55:30.048
care for society that you feel like you

00:55:30.228 --> 00:55:30.989
don't really know

00:55:32.385 --> 00:55:33.967
from the way they act that they're any

00:55:34.007 --> 00:55:34.987
different from a human,

00:55:35.007 --> 00:55:36.208
but they are vampire.

00:55:36.228 --> 00:55:36.748
Yeah.

00:55:36.867 --> 00:55:37.168
Yeah.

00:55:38.489 --> 00:55:39.248
And that's one of the things that,

00:55:39.349 --> 00:55:40.170
that Peter and I,

00:55:40.269 --> 00:55:41.931
when we had our discussions early on,

00:55:42.030 --> 00:55:43.672
it was like, as well as Vaughn,

00:55:43.711 --> 00:55:45.793
when we were, who's our, our editor,

00:55:46.572 --> 00:55:47.532
we were trying to figure out like,

00:55:47.572 --> 00:55:49.634
how do we make it so that it's

00:55:49.673 --> 00:55:51.434
not every other vampire story you've ever

00:55:51.474 --> 00:55:53.596
heard or watched or seen,

00:55:54.056 --> 00:55:56.657
but also how does it then connect to

00:55:56.737 --> 00:55:58.418
someone that is

00:55:59.018 --> 00:56:00.619
Might be reading it for the first time

00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:02.400
or isn't a fan of vampires,

00:56:02.500 --> 00:56:04.280
but yet can get kind of hooked in.

00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:06.481
And basically it was one of those things

00:56:06.501 --> 00:56:08.302
where it's kind of like there's an old

00:56:08.342 --> 00:56:08.661
Dr.

00:56:08.702 --> 00:56:11.523
Seuss book that I remember reading with my

00:56:11.603 --> 00:56:13.103
kids in class one day.

00:56:13.963 --> 00:56:16.925
And it was where they had a piece

00:56:16.945 --> 00:56:19.965
of bread and one person buttered one way

00:56:20.545 --> 00:56:20.945
and then the other.

00:56:20.965 --> 00:56:21.726
It's not as ridiculous.

00:56:21.746 --> 00:56:23.786
You got to butter it on the bottom,

00:56:23.827 --> 00:56:24.027
right?

00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:25.902
they went to world kind of like the

00:56:25.922 --> 00:56:27.903
half fields and the mccoys and so you've

00:56:27.923 --> 00:56:30.606
got vampires and humans in this struggle

00:56:31.106 --> 00:56:33.708
basically for survival and existence and

00:56:33.748 --> 00:56:35.871
the humans don't really realize that that

00:56:35.931 --> 00:56:38.034
struggle is happening else i think that

00:56:38.054 --> 00:56:39.135
was also one of the things i was

00:56:39.175 --> 00:56:42.177
trying to allude to earlier is some humans

00:56:42.237 --> 00:56:45.041
know are the humans know vampires exist

00:56:45.853 --> 00:56:47.994
In the story, to some degree.

00:56:48.114 --> 00:56:49.775
There are some humans that know.

00:56:49.835 --> 00:56:51.916
The general population does not.

00:56:51.936 --> 00:56:52.476
Yes.

00:56:52.657 --> 00:56:54.617
And it's one of those things where it's

00:56:54.677 --> 00:56:54.958
like,

00:56:55.398 --> 00:57:02.681
how do you coexist without causing mass

00:57:02.702 --> 00:57:03.382
hysteria?

00:57:03.882 --> 00:57:04.242
Yes.

00:57:04.563 --> 00:57:10.505
When your food source basically would be

00:57:10.545 --> 00:57:12.547
threatened by knowing that you exist.

00:57:13.248 --> 00:57:13.427
Mm-hmm.

00:57:14.105 --> 00:57:15.206
And so the, like,

00:57:15.246 --> 00:57:16.947
there's two factions of vampires,

00:57:17.588 --> 00:57:19.208
one that wants to live in, in,

00:57:19.449 --> 00:57:20.048
in harmony.

00:57:20.750 --> 00:57:22.170
And then one that are like,

00:57:22.271 --> 00:57:23.811
you know what, why are we doing this?

00:57:24.072 --> 00:57:25.353
And like one of the characters,

00:57:25.833 --> 00:57:26.974
one of the brothers in the story,

00:57:27.094 --> 00:57:29.576
not giving it away,

00:57:29.615 --> 00:57:31.398
his family's ravaged by cancer.

00:57:31.637 --> 00:57:33.539
He's a former vet, right?

00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:35.000
He's a former, he's former military.

00:57:35.721 --> 00:57:37.922
And he's seen cancer ravage,

00:57:38.806 --> 00:57:41.606
his family and he's like if i have

00:57:41.646 --> 00:57:44.588
the ability to not see someone go through

00:57:44.608 --> 00:57:47.150
that pain and i think he was either

00:57:47.190 --> 00:57:49.710
he's terminal or or he has his brother

00:57:50.030 --> 00:57:52.512
his brother yeah right so his brother

00:57:52.552 --> 00:57:55.193
turned that so he wouldn't die of cancer

00:57:55.454 --> 00:57:56.735
and he decided to do it as well

00:57:56.775 --> 00:57:59.036
too and that motivates them where it's

00:57:59.076 --> 00:58:02.177
like we have the answer to all of

00:58:02.197 --> 00:58:05.818
your ills but then that goes counter to

00:58:06.358 --> 00:58:08.139
what is life where like

00:58:09.318 --> 00:58:13.326
I know that one of the characters is

00:58:13.365 --> 00:58:15.530
like, why would you want to live forever?

00:58:15.929 --> 00:58:17.293
Like, that's a great question.

00:58:18.094 --> 00:58:18.755
What would you do?

00:58:19.076 --> 00:58:21.460
You outlive all of your loved ones, right?

00:58:22.628 --> 00:58:24.608
So before we went live,

00:58:24.648 --> 00:58:26.471
I had mentioned Mark Miller's Vatican

00:58:26.570 --> 00:58:26.931
City.

00:58:27.652 --> 00:58:28.871
In Vatican City,

00:58:29.592 --> 00:58:31.673
the last remnants of the human race are

00:58:31.733 --> 00:58:34.356
trapped inside the Vatican.

00:58:34.376 --> 00:58:35.956
Nice.

00:58:35.976 --> 00:58:39.119
And the one thing the vampires need to

00:58:39.179 --> 00:58:40.501
become the ultimate...

00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:44.782
you know species of earth is trapped

00:58:44.802 --> 00:58:47.963
within the walls of the vatican and

00:58:47.983 --> 00:58:50.164
they're basically trying to sales pitch to

00:58:50.264 --> 00:58:54.266
humans bring this to us we'll make you

00:58:54.387 --> 00:58:58.009
one of us but we need this right

00:58:58.068 --> 00:59:01.090
so quite the opposite of what you're the

00:59:01.130 --> 00:59:02.992
story you're telling but also within the

00:59:03.032 --> 00:59:03.251
same

00:59:06.740 --> 00:59:07.903
of the same thing, I guess,

00:59:07.923 --> 00:59:08.706
is what I'm trying to say.

00:59:08.945 --> 00:59:09.588
Yeah, totally.

00:59:09.809 --> 00:59:11.291
It's in a weird way.

00:59:12.539 --> 00:59:14.681
it's an environmental story, right?

00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:18.461
It's like conservation versus, you know,

00:59:18.541 --> 00:59:19.101
not like,

00:59:19.581 --> 00:59:21.262
do we use all the resources that the

00:59:21.322 --> 00:59:24.463
earth has or do we find a way

00:59:24.483 --> 00:59:26.943
to kind of balance our need for it

00:59:27.083 --> 00:59:28.463
versus sustainability?

00:59:28.963 --> 00:59:30.465
And, and one of the things is like,

00:59:30.565 --> 00:59:33.385
what's the sustainability going to be if

00:59:33.684 --> 00:59:36.525
vampires overrun humans, right?

00:59:36.686 --> 00:59:38.547
Blade three, they have human farms.

00:59:38.606 --> 00:59:39.367
Remember?

00:59:39.467 --> 00:59:39.586
Yep.

00:59:41.001 --> 00:59:42.193
But then when you have something like

00:59:42.215 --> 00:59:42.476
that,

00:59:43.690 --> 00:59:45.610
What then do you do about free will

00:59:45.971 --> 00:59:47.351
and all that?

00:59:47.391 --> 00:59:50.213
So those are all those kind of dynamics

00:59:50.353 --> 00:59:51.054
that are at play.

00:59:51.253 --> 00:59:53.315
It's a lot of elements in a story

00:59:53.894 --> 00:59:55.255
and going into it,

00:59:55.275 --> 00:59:56.416
like I had mentioned earlier,

00:59:56.976 --> 01:00:00.039
I had no idea that it was a

01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.840
vampire story until I hit that one part

01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.061
where the guy first, you know, transforms.

01:00:06.621 --> 01:00:08.222
So the moment I realized it was a

01:00:08.282 --> 01:00:09.963
vampire story, I was like,

01:00:10.304 --> 01:00:11.864
I reread it before we went live,

01:00:11.925 --> 01:00:12.364
to be fair.

01:00:13.936 --> 01:00:14.175
I mean,

01:00:14.215 --> 01:00:15.215
I read it when you sent it to

01:00:15.255 --> 01:00:16.637
me and I read it again before we

01:00:16.677 --> 01:00:17.117
went live.

01:00:17.137 --> 01:00:18.277
So it's fresh in my head.

01:00:18.876 --> 01:00:20.476
And I love a good vampire story.

01:00:20.516 --> 01:00:24.097
Vampire stories to me have always,

01:00:24.117 --> 01:00:26.197
they stick with you for so long for

01:00:26.277 --> 01:00:27.958
so many different reasons because you can

01:00:27.998 --> 01:00:30.259
play both sides of this coin however you

01:00:30.318 --> 01:00:30.898
want to.

01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:33.340
But it's just something about a really

01:00:33.539 --> 01:00:38.981
good vampire story that it sticks with you

01:00:39.181 --> 01:00:39.440
and

01:00:40.697 --> 01:00:42.599
this is one of those where I know

01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:42.938
you're,

01:00:43.099 --> 01:00:45.099
you pitched this for a TV series or

01:00:45.121 --> 01:00:45.681
a movie.

01:00:46.521 --> 01:00:48.182
And it's like, now that I've read it,

01:00:48.202 --> 01:00:48.583
I was like,

01:00:48.623 --> 01:00:50.625
this would be an awesome TV series.

01:00:51.405 --> 01:00:51.865
Well, thank you.

01:00:51.985 --> 01:00:52.726
That's me.

01:00:53.246 --> 01:00:53.547
Thank you.

01:00:53.567 --> 01:00:53.606
Uh,

01:00:54.288 --> 01:00:56.048
anyone out there who's listening and wants

01:00:56.088 --> 01:00:59.090
to make it the chairman, the chairman is,

01:00:59.331 --> 01:00:59.652
you know, he's,

01:00:59.831 --> 01:01:01.733
he's spitting facts now and really

01:01:01.753 --> 01:01:02.873
appreciate the kind words.

01:01:03.375 --> 01:01:06.157
And we actually kind of wrote it that

01:01:06.197 --> 01:01:06.516
way.

01:01:06.998 --> 01:01:07.177
Um,

01:01:08.034 --> 01:01:08.635
Peter and I,

01:01:08.735 --> 01:01:11.277
where there's a lot of panels and pages

01:01:11.356 --> 01:01:12.536
where there's not a lot of dialogue.

01:01:13.056 --> 01:01:15.257
It feels very episodic.

01:01:15.358 --> 01:01:16.119
You know what I'm saying?

01:01:16.518 --> 01:01:18.219
Yeah, we're going for that cinematic feel.

01:01:18.340 --> 01:01:20.681
And Lucas was able to capture that.

01:01:21.380 --> 01:01:22.461
One of the shows that Peter and I

01:01:22.481 --> 01:01:25.123
grew up watching when we were kids was

01:01:25.182 --> 01:01:25.864
Miami Vice.

01:01:26.284 --> 01:01:27.824
Oh, I love Miami Vice.

01:01:27.864 --> 01:01:29.344
Miami Vice is peak TV.

01:01:29.364 --> 01:01:30.326
So good.

01:01:30.686 --> 01:01:32.166
Peak TV before peak TV.

01:01:32.286 --> 01:01:33.806
And those rides in the car,

01:01:33.867 --> 01:01:34.807
especially when they're in the car,

01:01:35.268 --> 01:01:36.769
in the Daytona in the first two seasons,

01:01:36.809 --> 01:01:38.351
where Crocs just kind of look at each

01:01:38.391 --> 01:01:38.652
other.

01:01:39.353 --> 01:01:40.634
In the pit alligator, dude.

01:01:41.014 --> 01:01:42.235
Absolutely, right?

01:01:42.456 --> 01:01:43.958
And it's just like a lot of silence,

01:01:44.057 --> 01:01:45.920
but either the song that was playing in

01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:46.581
the background...

01:01:47.333 --> 01:01:48.293
or the moment in the,

01:01:48.373 --> 01:01:51.356
in the narrative that spoke volumes.

01:01:51.695 --> 01:01:51.876
Right.

01:01:51.896 --> 01:01:54.878
It's amazing how the music, the mood, the,

01:01:54.918 --> 01:01:57.460
the surrounded area can tell a story

01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:59.400
without words needing to be spoken.

01:01:59.822 --> 01:02:00.461
Absolutely.

01:02:00.641 --> 01:02:00.882
Right.

01:02:01.063 --> 01:02:02.804
And so we try to like convey a

01:02:02.923 --> 01:02:05.865
little bit of that where speak when

01:02:05.925 --> 01:02:07.086
necessary, but then,

01:02:07.467 --> 01:02:08.847
and then let the action take over it

01:02:08.887 --> 01:02:09.507
sometimes,

01:02:09.969 --> 01:02:12.550
but also not to clutter it too much.

01:02:13.030 --> 01:02:13.130
Yep.

01:02:13.971 --> 01:02:14.210
Again,

01:02:14.251 --> 01:02:15.431
that goes back to what we were talking

01:02:15.451 --> 01:02:17.652
about earlier with lettering being so

01:02:17.692 --> 01:02:18.672
important in a book.

01:02:22.554 --> 01:02:23.114
No, definitely.

01:02:23.134 --> 01:02:25.454
Y'all definitely knocked this out of the

01:02:25.514 --> 01:02:25.954
park.

01:02:26.574 --> 01:02:31.197
So why can fans expect coming up from

01:02:31.577 --> 01:02:32.777
Atrium?

01:02:33.157 --> 01:02:35.297
Well, we've got a whole world built up.

01:02:35.775 --> 01:02:36.335
Uh,

01:02:36.577 --> 01:02:39.219
and we're currently throwing around ideas

01:02:39.259 --> 01:02:40.320
of where to take it next.

01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:42.742
Cause without giving away too much,

01:02:43.222 --> 01:02:45.463
don't fall in love with any characters in

01:02:45.503 --> 01:02:46.164
this book.

01:02:46.846 --> 01:02:47.186
I got that.

01:02:47.206 --> 01:02:48.226
I got that vibe from it.

01:02:48.407 --> 01:02:48.606
Like,

01:02:48.666 --> 01:02:50.728
like Naomi and Darnell are kind of cool.

01:02:50.869 --> 01:02:52.110
And there's some other characters in there

01:02:52.130 --> 01:02:54.652
that are, that we had fun from, um,

01:02:54.692 --> 01:02:55.393
you know, creating.

01:02:55.452 --> 01:02:57.114
And I know Lucas was upset when one

01:02:57.135 --> 01:02:58.215
of the characters didn't make it.

01:02:58.315 --> 01:02:59.896
Cause I think he enjoyed drawing them.

01:03:01.438 --> 01:03:02.059
But we want,

01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:03.539
there's a bigger world to tell, right?

01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:05.079
And we want to tell it.

01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:08.320
Especially now that the heart has been

01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:08.882
delivered.

01:03:09.222 --> 01:03:09.422
Yes.

01:03:09.461 --> 01:03:10.902
So now I feel like this is where

01:03:10.922 --> 01:03:13.963
the story really picks up,

01:03:14.224 --> 01:03:17.065
where it should really pick up with how

01:03:17.164 --> 01:03:18.666
the next chapters go.

01:03:19.126 --> 01:03:21.567
I got a feeling deep down inside of

01:03:21.626 --> 01:03:24.427
me that the story is really going to

01:03:24.489 --> 01:03:25.349
pick up right here.

01:03:25.788 --> 01:03:26.148
Yeah,

01:03:26.268 --> 01:03:29.210
the stakes obviously because of how things

01:03:29.429 --> 01:03:32.371
end up are kind of shifted a little

01:03:32.411 --> 01:03:33.313
bit and raised.

01:03:33.992 --> 01:03:35.693
And also there's a lot more world building

01:03:35.934 --> 01:03:36.474
that we have.

01:03:36.635 --> 01:03:38.797
We've got some great ideas and little kind

01:03:38.817 --> 01:03:42.599
of like neat twists on things that are

01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:44.360
–

01:03:42.969 --> 01:03:44.652
Not necessarily part of vampire lore

01:03:44.672 --> 01:03:46.393
because we're going to bend those a little

01:03:46.434 --> 01:03:46.634
bit.

01:03:47.074 --> 01:03:47.835
Oh, yeah.

01:03:47.896 --> 01:03:48.315
You have to.

01:03:48.576 --> 01:03:50.759
You have to sit it apart from the

01:03:50.798 --> 01:03:51.780
standard vampire.

01:03:52.240 --> 01:03:52.460
Yeah.

01:03:52.561 --> 01:03:55.264
So we've got some ideas and just how

01:03:55.304 --> 01:03:56.646
we would then have them come out.

01:03:57.494 --> 01:03:59.036
is part of like the beauty of what's

01:03:59.056 --> 01:04:00.378
going to come next but there will be

01:04:00.398 --> 01:04:03.322
a second um set of of atrium books

01:04:03.342 --> 01:04:05.704
uh it might be a little bit because

01:04:05.724 --> 01:04:06.945
we're currently working on some other

01:04:06.965 --> 01:04:09.128
things and i'm working on uh another

01:04:09.168 --> 01:04:11.311
project uh which will be a five issue

01:04:11.351 --> 01:04:13.713
mini series as well too which i'll that's

01:04:13.914 --> 01:04:15.375
that's awesome because that was literally

01:04:15.414 --> 01:04:16.597
the next question is

01:04:17.768 --> 01:04:19.528
Has Atrium opened that door for more

01:04:19.588 --> 01:04:21.889
creator-owned titles from Comic Asylum

01:04:22.230 --> 01:04:24.130
from you and your team there?

01:04:24.150 --> 01:04:24.371
Yeah,

01:04:24.451 --> 01:04:27.492
we have about four that we have in

01:04:27.552 --> 01:04:28.833
various stages of development.

01:04:29.034 --> 01:04:30.735
But the next one coming up is called

01:04:30.795 --> 01:04:31.755
Chronicari Alpha.

01:04:32.454 --> 01:04:34.076
And it's about two kids that are born

01:04:34.096 --> 01:04:35.237
at exactly the same time.

01:04:35.336 --> 01:04:37.257
But when they collide in gym class,

01:04:37.297 --> 01:04:39.039
they unlock their ability to control time.

01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:41.900
And so I thank you.

01:04:41.940 --> 01:04:42.581
Yeah, they did that.

01:04:43.001 --> 01:04:43.181
I did.

01:04:43.202 --> 01:04:46.184
This is a novella about ten years ago.

01:04:46.744 --> 01:04:49.947
And so I've actually drawn probably about

01:04:49.967 --> 01:04:50.547
ninety percent of it.

01:04:50.588 --> 01:04:52.349
I got about fifteen more pages to draw.

01:04:52.528 --> 01:04:53.530
Are you doing the art on this one?

01:04:53.789 --> 01:04:54.710
I'm doing the art on this one.

01:04:54.751 --> 01:04:57.833
And then I'll send it off for colors

01:04:57.853 --> 01:04:58.813
and letters.

01:05:00.596 --> 01:05:02.416
I think it was a TV show or

01:05:02.436 --> 01:05:05.039
a movie that had something similar to

01:05:05.059 --> 01:05:05.400
that.

01:05:06.766 --> 01:05:08.106
where they could control time.

01:05:08.827 --> 01:05:11.728
I know there was a British show called,

01:05:13.588 --> 01:05:15.530
Oh, I can't remember the name of it,

01:05:15.789 --> 01:05:18.170
but there was a dude who could reel

01:05:18.190 --> 01:05:18.831
back time.

01:05:19.371 --> 01:05:22.251
And then I know heroes had a guy

01:05:22.291 --> 01:05:23.592
who could control the flow of time.

01:05:24.164 --> 01:05:25.043
Yeah.

01:05:25.123 --> 01:05:26.324
It might be Heroes I'm thinking about.

01:05:26.364 --> 01:05:27.085
The British one,

01:05:27.105 --> 01:05:29.166
was it The Rejects or something like that?

01:05:29.846 --> 01:05:30.706
I'm not sure.

01:05:32.286 --> 01:05:34.608
I know it's the show they based Heroes

01:05:34.788 --> 01:05:35.228
off of.

01:05:35.289 --> 01:05:36.128
It's possible.

01:05:36.188 --> 01:05:37.088
It might be The Rejects.

01:05:37.168 --> 01:05:38.510
I'm going to check it up right now.

01:05:39.269 --> 01:05:42.070
Yeah, because that show was so good.

01:05:42.791 --> 01:05:44.972
The UK will surprise you with some shows,

01:05:45.532 --> 01:05:47.132
and then there's some shows where people

01:05:47.172 --> 01:05:48.494
are raving about it, and you're like,

01:05:49.034 --> 01:05:50.175
yeah, no, I didn't feel that.

01:05:50.255 --> 01:05:50.494
No.

01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:53.302
Oh yeah, The Misfits.

01:05:53.762 --> 01:05:54.925
The Misfits, that's it.

01:05:55.827 --> 01:05:58.369
That one is, for anybody out there,

01:05:58.409 --> 01:06:00.050
if you've never watched The Misfits,

01:06:00.090 --> 01:06:01.231
it is a UK,

01:06:01.251 --> 01:06:04.052
it's basically UK's version of Heroes,

01:06:04.873 --> 01:06:06.753
only it never derailed with a writer's

01:06:06.773 --> 01:06:07.153
strike.

01:06:07.273 --> 01:06:09.034
It's perfect start to finish.

01:06:09.574 --> 01:06:09.974
So true.

01:06:09.994 --> 01:06:12.797
Perfect start to finish, and it's so fun,

01:06:13.556 --> 01:06:17.259
and it's just an amazing, amazing watch.

01:06:17.579 --> 01:06:19.500
So give that a watch if y'all haven't

01:06:19.539 --> 01:06:21.840
before, because it is really good.

01:06:22.561 --> 01:06:24.282
And watch Heroes up until, I think, what,

01:06:24.342 --> 01:06:24.943
season three?

01:06:27.224 --> 01:06:29.865
something like that yeah yeah heroes has a

01:06:29.885 --> 01:06:31.387
great win uh it had so much potential

01:06:31.447 --> 01:06:34.248
and the graphic novel thankfully is done

01:06:34.289 --> 01:06:37.811
the correct way however the show went off

01:06:37.831 --> 01:06:40.552
the rails when the directors and everybody

01:06:40.572 --> 01:06:42.353
was like we can just write it ourselves

01:06:42.594 --> 01:06:46.016
screw them writers no never ever do that

01:06:46.056 --> 01:06:48.978
again for anything writer strikes let them

01:06:48.998 --> 01:06:52.360
strike play some reruns until it's over

01:06:53.413 --> 01:06:53.793
It's true.

01:06:53.913 --> 01:06:55.255
You notice that anytime there's a writer's

01:06:55.275 --> 01:06:55.635
strike,

01:06:56.416 --> 01:06:58.317
whatever is being made during that time

01:06:58.498 --> 01:06:59.277
just doesn't,

01:06:59.617 --> 01:07:02.201
it just doesn't like come off as well

01:07:02.721 --> 01:07:04.021
as it can.

01:07:04.101 --> 01:07:05.282
Oh, absolutely.

01:07:06.083 --> 01:07:07.505
Thankfully, you know, we're getting,

01:07:07.545 --> 01:07:09.967
they're making shows like a lot.

01:07:10.007 --> 01:07:12.550
Some shows go like season one's done.

01:07:12.650 --> 01:07:14.512
They'll roll straight into season two,

01:07:15.052 --> 01:07:16.693
but they're separating them out by year.

01:07:16.713 --> 01:07:17.514
That way there's that.

01:07:18.454 --> 01:07:19.496
And I'm okay with that.

01:07:20.884 --> 01:07:22.606
what I'm not been okay with here lately

01:07:22.706 --> 01:07:24.606
is the way Netflix has been doing,

01:07:25.088 --> 01:07:26.528
but we're going to give you five episodes.

01:07:26.548 --> 01:07:27.730
We're going to make you wait six more

01:07:27.789 --> 01:07:27.989
months.

01:07:28.010 --> 01:07:29.231
We're going to give you the second five

01:07:29.251 --> 01:07:31.391
episodes or however long it is in between.

01:07:32.213 --> 01:07:33.273
That shit kills me.

01:07:33.293 --> 01:07:34.574
Yeah.

01:07:34.594 --> 01:07:35.454
The show's done.

01:07:35.835 --> 01:07:37.257
And Cobra kite was the first one I

01:07:37.277 --> 01:07:37.677
can remember.

01:07:37.697 --> 01:07:39.898
They did that with.

01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:40.659
And, um,

01:07:41.179 --> 01:07:42.501
I think it was like two weeks in

01:07:42.521 --> 01:07:43.822
between or something like that.

01:07:43.862 --> 01:07:44.501
The seasons.

01:07:45.643 --> 01:07:46.224
It's done.

01:07:46.264 --> 01:07:46.864
It's finished.

01:07:46.884 --> 01:07:48.625
Just give it to us.

01:07:49.451 --> 01:07:51.992
That's when the business kicks in, right?

01:07:52.092 --> 01:07:53.293
Oh, yeah.

01:07:53.373 --> 01:07:53.893
Absolutely.

01:07:54.614 --> 01:07:57.976
It's maximizing the money they get off ads

01:07:58.016 --> 01:07:59.717
and all that other stuff.

01:08:00.016 --> 01:08:01.637
I get it, but at the same time,

01:08:01.697 --> 01:08:02.057
I'm like,

01:08:03.385 --> 01:08:04.885
making the same amount of money whether i

01:08:04.925 --> 01:08:06.965
get it all right now or if i

01:08:06.985 --> 01:08:10.907
gotta wait two weeks right exactly like in

01:08:11.047 --> 01:08:13.449
in a way it's almost like depending on

01:08:13.588 --> 01:08:16.829
how fully formed the show is or it

01:08:17.090 --> 01:08:19.110
it comes to series or whatever because

01:08:19.131 --> 01:08:20.751
like sometimes the first season they're

01:08:20.770 --> 01:08:22.452
just trying to figure stuff out and then

01:08:22.532 --> 01:08:24.512
it gets rolling by two and three the

01:08:24.573 --> 01:08:25.453
more money or whatever

01:08:26.052 --> 01:08:27.274
And then there's some shows where like

01:08:27.753 --> 01:08:30.315
it's been in – it's been percolating for

01:08:30.336 --> 01:08:31.836
like five, six, seven years.

01:08:32.417 --> 01:08:33.417
Are we talking about season five of

01:08:33.436 --> 01:08:34.177
Stranger Things?

01:08:34.337 --> 01:08:35.438
Because that's how long it feels like

01:08:35.457 --> 01:08:36.319
we've been waiting for that.

01:08:36.779 --> 01:08:38.460
Yeah, kind of like that, right?

01:08:38.961 --> 01:08:40.501
Those kids are grown up, married,

01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:42.221
out of college and everything else now.

01:08:42.261 --> 01:08:43.662
They're like thirty-five years old,

01:08:43.802 --> 01:08:45.623
all of them, right?

01:08:46.404 --> 01:08:48.525
But then you feel like after that banger

01:08:48.546 --> 01:08:50.686
first season and then they get a second

01:08:50.766 --> 01:08:53.429
one ordered –

01:08:52.108 --> 01:08:54.009
you don't have the amount of time to

01:08:54.128 --> 01:08:57.309
actually cultivate a proper second season.

01:08:57.909 --> 01:08:59.710
And then the show dips after the first,

01:09:00.090 --> 01:09:00.350
right?

01:09:00.390 --> 01:09:02.051
So it's, you know,

01:09:02.091 --> 01:09:03.150
six and one half dozen other,

01:09:03.171 --> 01:09:03.751
depending on.

01:09:03.871 --> 01:09:04.411
It's one of those.

01:09:04.470 --> 01:09:07.072
I'm OK waiting a year in between seasons.

01:09:08.212 --> 01:09:09.993
But it's when you get into that eighteen

01:09:10.033 --> 01:09:11.353
and eighteen month mark,

01:09:11.393 --> 01:09:12.953
that two year mark, and they're like, oh,

01:09:12.974 --> 01:09:14.234
we're working on the new season.

01:09:14.314 --> 01:09:15.835
I'm like, I don't even care anymore.

01:09:15.854 --> 01:09:16.635
It's been two years.

01:09:17.454 --> 01:09:18.976
They have all interest in this.

01:09:19.096 --> 01:09:20.838
The only time that worked for me was

01:09:20.878 --> 01:09:22.841
Sopranos where I was like, you know what?

01:09:23.722 --> 01:09:23.922
Okay.

01:09:23.962 --> 01:09:24.063
Yeah.

01:09:24.143 --> 01:09:24.663
I'm going to wait.

01:09:24.904 --> 01:09:25.305
I'm going to wait.

01:09:25.404 --> 01:09:25.805
Yeah.

01:09:25.845 --> 01:09:26.006
I can.

01:09:26.025 --> 01:09:27.106
No, you're right about that one.

01:09:27.568 --> 01:09:29.369
But that final season.

01:09:29.609 --> 01:09:30.331
Yeah.

01:09:30.350 --> 01:09:31.231
Cause it was a peak show.

01:09:31.271 --> 01:09:31.492
Right.

01:09:31.551 --> 01:09:32.212
But if you're not,

01:09:32.273 --> 01:09:33.795
if you don't have the David Chase type

01:09:33.835 --> 01:09:35.516
style of storytelling and whatnot,

01:09:36.345 --> 01:09:37.865
Then, you know,

01:09:37.886 --> 01:09:39.105
as long as they don't try to like

01:09:39.145 --> 01:09:40.726
bring it something back, like they did.

01:09:40.787 --> 01:09:41.426
Twenty four.

01:09:42.108 --> 01:09:43.807
Remember when twenty four came back and it

01:09:43.847 --> 01:09:45.288
was just horrid.

01:09:45.569 --> 01:09:46.630
Like, why did y'all do this?

01:09:46.649 --> 01:09:47.869
You ended it perfectly.

01:09:47.909 --> 01:09:48.951
And then you do this.

01:09:49.751 --> 01:09:50.930
No, come on.

01:09:50.990 --> 01:09:53.452
Yeah, totally.

01:09:53.512 --> 01:09:55.573
And because I'm a big fan of Stranger

01:09:55.592 --> 01:09:55.913
Things.

01:09:55.934 --> 01:09:57.134
Oh, I am, too.

01:09:57.194 --> 01:09:57.854
Yeah.

01:09:58.295 --> 01:10:00.234
Really interesting to see how they end it,

01:10:00.376 --> 01:10:00.796
because.

01:10:02.341 --> 01:10:02.402
I,

01:10:02.462 --> 01:10:04.524
it didn't click to me how young they

01:10:04.543 --> 01:10:05.885
were until I saw them a couple of

01:10:05.925 --> 01:10:07.265
days ago, like some clip.

01:10:08.167 --> 01:10:09.908
And then I think of like, you know,

01:10:10.509 --> 01:10:12.250
how old they are in like the Ghostbuster

01:10:12.289 --> 01:10:14.131
movies or even Millie Bobby Brown in the

01:10:14.171 --> 01:10:14.851
Godzilla flicks.

01:10:14.891 --> 01:10:17.113
She's literally married and they just

01:10:17.173 --> 01:10:18.215
adopted a child.

01:10:18.756 --> 01:10:19.036
Yeah.

01:10:19.155 --> 01:10:21.917
Which is like, I'm like, wow.

01:10:21.978 --> 01:10:24.060
Seven has a kid now.

01:10:24.140 --> 01:10:24.319
Yeah.

01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:25.520
She's twenty one or twenty two or

01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:26.381
something like that.

01:10:27.014 --> 01:10:28.314
And I'm like, she got married, what,

01:10:28.354 --> 01:10:30.275
last year or the year prior?

01:10:30.296 --> 01:10:31.476
Yeah, something like that.

01:10:31.676 --> 01:10:32.778
I forgot who she's married to.

01:10:32.818 --> 01:10:34.298
Jon Bon Jovi's kid.

01:10:34.738 --> 01:10:35.939
Yeah, Jon Bon Jovi's kid.

01:10:36.480 --> 01:10:37.060
And they're like, hey,

01:10:37.081 --> 01:10:38.282
we're just going to go adopt a kid.

01:10:38.622 --> 01:10:40.262
I'm like, okay, I guess.

01:10:40.283 --> 01:10:40.724
That's cool.

01:10:40.904 --> 01:10:41.243
Yeah, no.

01:10:41.444 --> 01:10:41.583
Cool.

01:10:41.743 --> 01:10:42.225
Go for it.

01:10:43.149 --> 01:10:44.810
you have the means to do it,

01:10:45.331 --> 01:10:46.773
then more power to you.

01:10:47.233 --> 01:10:47.474
Yeah.

01:10:48.073 --> 01:10:49.435
That just shows you how time flies.

01:10:49.515 --> 01:10:50.055
Cause I remember,

01:10:50.556 --> 01:10:52.559
I can still remember watching season one,

01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:54.280
like it was yesterday.

01:10:55.162 --> 01:10:57.224
Me and my daughter sitting on the couch,

01:10:57.243 --> 01:10:58.404
watching season one together.

01:10:58.465 --> 01:11:00.146
And I feel like my daughter was like

01:11:00.186 --> 01:11:01.167
the same age as them.

01:11:04.109 --> 01:11:04.310
How am I?

01:11:04.329 --> 01:11:04.470
Well,

01:11:04.489 --> 01:11:06.371
technically she kind of is because she's

01:11:06.430 --> 01:11:07.051
nineteen.

01:11:07.551 --> 01:11:09.072
So she is kind of around that same

01:11:09.131 --> 01:11:09.992
time frame as them.

01:11:10.051 --> 01:11:10.551
Same age.

01:11:10.572 --> 01:11:11.271
Yeah.

01:11:11.292 --> 01:11:14.552
But it is definitely one of those where

01:11:14.592 --> 01:11:16.894
time flew and all of a sudden we

01:11:16.913 --> 01:11:19.994
have adults now trying to play teenage

01:11:20.435 --> 01:11:20.935
selves,

01:11:21.494 --> 01:11:22.975
which they're all really young and,

01:11:22.996 --> 01:11:23.695
you know,

01:11:23.756 --> 01:11:25.235
they they still look really young.

01:11:25.275 --> 01:11:26.476
So props to them.

01:11:26.497 --> 01:11:27.117
Yeah.

01:11:28.234 --> 01:11:30.494
It's just, you know, they're mad tall.

01:11:30.534 --> 01:11:31.615
Some of them are mad tall now.

01:11:31.636 --> 01:11:33.737
Oh, yeah.

01:11:33.997 --> 01:11:34.217
Like,

01:11:34.257 --> 01:11:35.637
we're going to have to shoot this camera

01:11:35.677 --> 01:11:38.100
angle like this to make him look shorter.

01:11:38.619 --> 01:11:39.240
Yeah.

01:11:39.280 --> 01:11:40.661
I think it's like Finn.

01:11:40.860 --> 01:11:43.342
That dude's like seven feet tall or

01:11:43.382 --> 01:11:43.703
something.

01:11:43.743 --> 01:11:44.984
Like, he's a tall dude.

01:11:45.623 --> 01:11:45.863
Yeah.

01:11:46.585 --> 01:11:46.744
Like,

01:11:46.765 --> 01:11:48.345
he hit that growth spurt at the wrong

01:11:48.386 --> 01:11:49.145
time for him.

01:11:49.867 --> 01:11:50.646
Yeah, you know.

01:11:50.806 --> 01:11:51.667
But, you know,

01:11:52.207 --> 01:11:54.009
I'm sure they'll find a way.

01:11:54.189 --> 01:11:55.130
Who are the brothers again?

01:11:55.963 --> 01:11:57.684
who are doing it,

01:11:57.703 --> 01:11:59.765
they're the Duffy's Duffy's Duffy's.

01:12:00.204 --> 01:12:01.484
I'm sure they'll figure out a way to

01:12:01.524 --> 01:12:02.786
make it to make it work.

01:12:02.805 --> 01:12:04.046
Oh, yeah.

01:12:04.166 --> 01:12:05.145
I mean, they're brilliant.

01:12:05.645 --> 01:12:08.327
I think from a from the sibling

01:12:08.367 --> 01:12:10.447
perspective of directors and writers,

01:12:10.567 --> 01:12:11.927
I think there's some of the since the

01:12:11.948 --> 01:12:14.028
Wachowski's, you know, came in left.

01:12:14.387 --> 01:12:14.608
Right.

01:12:14.627 --> 01:12:15.649
I think they're probably some of the

01:12:15.689 --> 01:12:19.389
better sibling pairs of directors and

01:12:19.429 --> 01:12:21.670
writers that are just really, really good.

01:12:22.289 --> 01:12:25.150
no agreed yeah and and it's kind of

01:12:25.190 --> 01:12:27.032
funny because we had this conversation on

01:12:27.072 --> 01:12:29.832
our podcast not too long ago about like

01:12:29.872 --> 01:12:32.873
what's wrong with comics right but there's

01:12:32.913 --> 01:12:35.475
a lot of great stuff being made it

01:12:35.715 --> 01:12:37.555
really is it may not be like the

01:12:37.655 --> 01:12:39.497
mainstream titles like you may not be

01:12:39.556 --> 01:12:42.398
totally happy with you know green lantern

01:12:42.658 --> 01:12:45.059
as an example but you know for every

01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:47.400
comic that you're not happy with there's

01:12:47.461 --> 01:12:49.221
something coming out of there's ten more

01:12:49.381 --> 01:12:52.582
just that are perfect or void rivals right

01:12:52.722 --> 01:12:54.724
or something like that right like just

01:12:54.863 --> 01:12:58.185
absolute bangers and so as a matter of

01:12:58.206 --> 01:12:59.405
I was telling you earlier Aubrey

01:12:59.445 --> 01:13:04.127
Sitterson's Free Planet has like I live

01:13:04.247 --> 01:13:05.868
week to week to when the next issue

01:13:05.889 --> 01:13:08.470
of that book will come out and he's

01:13:08.569 --> 01:13:10.890
so good with interacting with his fans

01:13:10.951 --> 01:13:13.091
about the book on his Instagram and stuff

01:13:13.131 --> 01:13:14.353
like that nice

01:13:14.853 --> 01:13:16.293
and you cheer for him because he's

01:13:16.333 --> 01:13:18.113
literally like hey this next issue i'm

01:13:18.173 --> 01:13:19.475
throwing you something that you're not

01:13:19.795 --> 01:13:22.916
expecting and like he's really good and i

01:13:22.935 --> 01:13:24.896
wish more comic book writers and artists

01:13:24.936 --> 01:13:27.197
were like that i know a lot of

01:13:27.216 --> 01:13:29.957
them really are really good about selling

01:13:29.978 --> 01:13:32.559
themselves you know and like putting

01:13:32.578 --> 01:13:35.720
themselves out there on social media to to

01:13:35.819 --> 01:13:37.621
really build the hype for themselves and

01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:40.502
their product and i wish more did that

01:13:41.783 --> 01:13:43.043
It's funny you mention that because it was

01:13:43.144 --> 01:13:44.583
one of the things that we kind of

01:13:44.664 --> 01:13:46.425
learned with Atrium.

01:13:47.265 --> 01:13:49.027
And I would pass along this advice to

01:13:49.167 --> 01:13:51.207
anyone that's thinking of getting into it.

01:13:52.488 --> 01:13:55.010
Because you're not creating Spider-Man,

01:13:55.689 --> 01:13:56.871
whatever you're creating may become the

01:13:56.911 --> 01:13:58.891
next Spider-Man or the next Wonder Woman

01:13:59.192 --> 01:14:00.493
or the next Ms.

01:14:00.533 --> 01:14:00.972
Marvel.

01:14:02.033 --> 01:14:04.854
When someone is going to part with their

01:14:04.914 --> 01:14:06.515
hard-earned money for your creation,

01:14:06.655 --> 01:14:07.716
they're buying you.

01:14:08.609 --> 01:14:08.988
Right.

01:14:09.529 --> 01:14:13.533
So making yourself accessible, you know,

01:14:13.932 --> 01:14:16.734
not taking your audience for granted and

01:14:16.774 --> 01:14:18.355
appreciating the fact that they're taking

01:14:18.376 --> 01:14:19.577
the time to either stop at your table

01:14:19.596 --> 01:14:19.976
and say hi,

01:14:20.056 --> 01:14:20.997
even if they don't buy anything.

01:14:21.518 --> 01:14:25.662
That goes a long way in, you know,

01:14:25.702 --> 01:14:27.162
kind of endearing yourself to your

01:14:27.262 --> 01:14:30.324
audience, because if they don't like you,

01:14:31.225 --> 01:14:32.646
they're not buying your stuff.

01:14:32.806 --> 01:14:33.567
Oh, absolutely.

01:14:33.887 --> 01:14:35.368
And I'm not saying don't be genuine.

01:14:35.769 --> 01:14:37.050
I'm just saying don't be a dick.

01:14:38.409 --> 01:14:38.829
Yeah, no,

01:14:39.850 --> 01:14:44.173
and what I've discovered is it's been both

01:14:44.213 --> 01:14:44.954
ways, right?

01:14:45.876 --> 01:14:48.597
Like, take, for instance, my last comic,

01:14:49.198 --> 01:14:50.139
not Cape Con,

01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:52.501
but the last actual Comic-Con I went to,

01:14:53.601 --> 01:14:55.962
like, they never advertised Tinny Howard.

01:14:55.983 --> 01:14:57.345
Oh, wow.

01:14:57.425 --> 01:14:58.185
And she was there,

01:14:58.645 --> 01:14:59.605
so I had to get some Rick and

01:14:59.626 --> 01:15:00.686
Morty signed by her.

01:15:01.507 --> 01:15:03.328
And she's working on Marian Heretic right

01:15:03.368 --> 01:15:04.909
now, which is probably one of the...

01:15:06.171 --> 01:15:07.993
more popular books that's been out in a

01:15:08.073 --> 01:15:14.375
while from a from a female writer and

01:15:14.494 --> 01:15:17.655
also just boom studios consistent just

01:15:17.695 --> 01:15:20.356
puts out bangers yeah but it's a

01:15:20.377 --> 01:15:22.716
phenomenal book if you're into witchcraft

01:15:22.756 --> 01:15:26.198
and nuns that hunt witches by all means

01:15:26.838 --> 01:15:28.298
they need you need to check that out

01:15:29.458 --> 01:15:32.980
um luanna vecchio was there with lovesick

01:15:33.381 --> 01:15:33.860
wow which

01:15:35.579 --> 01:15:37.002
She's French, I think.

01:15:38.344 --> 01:15:41.927
And another amazing story, amazing artist.

01:15:44.891 --> 01:15:45.813
Who else was there?

01:15:50.139 --> 01:15:50.800
Tula Latoy.

01:15:50.819 --> 01:15:52.841
Okay, cool.

01:15:52.881 --> 01:15:53.823
That's a pretty good lineup.

01:15:54.689 --> 01:15:57.372
phenomenal lineup and like I said they

01:15:57.854 --> 01:16:00.256
don't really do a good job of advertising

01:16:00.356 --> 01:16:02.619
these people are going to be there and

01:16:03.081 --> 01:16:04.783
I pay attention to their website so

01:16:04.802 --> 01:16:06.465
whenever like hey this is who's going to

01:16:06.484 --> 01:16:08.167
be an artist alley I immediately go to

01:16:08.207 --> 01:16:09.729
my boxes and I start like I gotta

01:16:09.748 --> 01:16:11.511
get that signed I gotta get that signed

01:16:12.192 --> 01:16:12.512
you know

01:16:15.216 --> 01:16:16.596
But it really is.

01:16:16.957 --> 01:16:19.318
I wish more people who are in comic

01:16:19.358 --> 01:16:21.018
books would put themselves out more.

01:16:21.097 --> 01:16:24.579
I know Tiny Onion and Tinian,

01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:27.201
they're really good about hosting fan

01:16:27.240 --> 01:16:29.502
events and that kind of stuff with comic

01:16:29.521 --> 01:16:29.902
shops.

01:16:30.261 --> 01:16:31.823
They're doing a world tour right now.

01:16:32.243 --> 01:16:32.682
Nice.

01:16:32.703 --> 01:16:34.023
I'm using that term loosely.

01:16:34.684 --> 01:16:36.564
They're doing a tour right now for

01:16:38.225 --> 01:16:39.204
Exquisite Corpses.

01:16:39.225 --> 01:16:40.065
Nice.

01:16:40.765 --> 01:16:42.287
and they're doing sign-ins all around the

01:16:42.346 --> 01:16:43.867
united states and i think they've been

01:16:43.886 --> 01:16:46.748
into canada a few times and it's really

01:16:46.769 --> 01:16:49.270
cool to see how that book has because

01:16:49.510 --> 01:16:51.990
they're literally playing a card game to

01:16:52.030 --> 01:16:54.612
determine the next character that dies in

01:16:54.671 --> 01:16:57.673
it like a tabletop game which is so

01:16:57.793 --> 01:16:59.734
unique and so cool so they sit around

01:16:59.753 --> 01:17:01.635
with mike michael wash who is the artist

01:17:01.715 --> 01:17:04.537
on it and also the co-writer with tinian

01:17:05.596 --> 01:17:07.618
they developed a card game to determine

01:17:09.021 --> 01:17:11.764
who dies next of the main characters.

01:17:12.944 --> 01:17:15.606
And it's a phenomenal, cool thing to do.

01:17:16.506 --> 01:17:17.087
And I think there's like,

01:17:17.568 --> 01:17:19.088
this is going to be thirteen issues.

01:17:19.269 --> 01:17:19.989
And I'm like, yeah,

01:17:20.010 --> 01:17:21.230
I got to run that back, I think,

01:17:21.270 --> 01:17:21.551
you know,

01:17:21.570 --> 01:17:23.292
because this is such a cool concept.

01:17:23.311 --> 01:17:25.033
I've not seen it done that way.

01:17:25.052 --> 01:17:26.675
It's a brilliant concept.

01:17:27.895 --> 01:17:29.176
So, and I've been getting like the,

01:17:29.537 --> 01:17:34.779
my favorite is the Michael Walsh polybag

01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:36.060
because it comes with the card.

01:17:36.721 --> 01:17:38.182
Ah, got it.

01:17:38.979 --> 01:17:40.680
So you're collecting the cards,

01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:42.282
and they've released, I think,

01:17:42.481 --> 01:17:44.002
I can't remember if they released it yet

01:17:44.042 --> 01:17:44.323
or not,

01:17:44.363 --> 01:17:47.185
but they're getting ready to release the

01:17:47.225 --> 01:17:48.567
board game version of it.

01:17:49.027 --> 01:17:50.287
That way you can play the game when

01:17:50.307 --> 01:17:51.349
you have all your cards.

01:17:51.969 --> 01:17:52.489
Sweet.

01:17:52.510 --> 01:17:53.690
That's brilliant.

01:17:53.970 --> 01:17:57.113
Dude, marketing one-on-one, like,

01:17:57.153 --> 01:17:58.654
that is genius level.

01:17:58.755 --> 01:18:00.115
Mm-hmm.

01:18:00.595 --> 01:18:00.876
Yeah.

01:18:01.556 --> 01:18:04.878
That's, you know what?

01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:05.260
Right?

01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:05.359
Yeah.

01:18:06.931 --> 01:18:08.233
And I say all that to say,

01:18:09.353 --> 01:18:10.332
market yourselves.

01:18:10.813 --> 01:18:12.453
Put yourselves out there on your social

01:18:12.493 --> 01:18:12.974
media.

01:18:13.453 --> 01:18:13.814
Yeah.

01:18:13.854 --> 01:18:15.414
Whether you have to make a whole bunch

01:18:15.435 --> 01:18:17.395
of social media at once and then schedule

01:18:17.414 --> 01:18:20.456
it a little at a time because you're

01:18:20.496 --> 01:18:20.876
busy.

01:18:21.336 --> 01:18:22.657
But put yourself out there.

01:18:22.697 --> 01:18:24.356
Do those little Instagram Lives.

01:18:25.377 --> 01:18:28.837
Artists, writers, it's all there for you.

01:18:28.978 --> 01:18:30.719
You just have to make some time to

01:18:30.798 --> 01:18:31.219
do it.

01:18:32.899 --> 01:18:33.118
Yeah.

01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:34.119
And it's, you know...

01:18:35.194 --> 01:18:37.515
scheduling it you're totally correct but

01:18:37.555 --> 01:18:41.195
you can't not to do it um it's

01:18:41.216 --> 01:18:43.237
it's the biggest thing right there it's a

01:18:43.296 --> 01:18:46.497
necessary part of it and everyone likes to

01:18:46.578 --> 01:18:48.019
get a little bit of a peek behind

01:18:48.059 --> 01:18:50.819
the scenes of what's happening and it's a

01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:52.199
little bit sometimes a little bit easier

01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:53.640
if you're an artist because it's like

01:18:53.780 --> 01:18:55.442
right in your face whatever you're doing

01:18:55.462 --> 01:18:56.282
to process stuff

01:18:57.113 --> 01:18:59.614
writers it's a little bit more ethereal

01:18:59.755 --> 01:19:01.817
smoke and mirrors type stuff and it can

01:19:01.856 --> 01:19:03.957
be a little bit kind of you know

01:19:04.179 --> 01:19:06.841
not as entertaining but if you with all

01:19:06.860 --> 01:19:08.381
the stuff that's out there you can

01:19:08.421 --> 01:19:11.484
definitely make it entertaining no a

01:19:11.524 --> 01:19:13.985
hundred percent a hundred percent but

01:19:14.386 --> 01:19:16.787
before we get out of here steve what's

01:19:16.807 --> 01:19:19.149
coming up next for comics asylum not a

01:19:19.210 --> 01:19:20.610
comic book standpoint but what's just

01:19:20.631 --> 01:19:22.453
coming up next for comics asylum

01:19:23.166 --> 01:19:23.746
Uh,

01:19:23.765 --> 01:19:26.328
we've got some videos that we still have

01:19:26.368 --> 01:19:28.510
to process from the Montreal comic-con.

01:19:28.550 --> 01:19:31.893
I think we have a Joe Rubenstein, um,

01:19:32.172 --> 01:19:32.653
interview.

01:19:33.154 --> 01:19:33.954
Oh, nice.

01:19:34.255 --> 01:19:34.595
Yeah.

01:19:34.635 --> 01:19:34.795
Yeah.

01:19:34.814 --> 01:19:35.935
We just finished.

01:19:35.975 --> 01:19:37.136
I just put one up a couple of

01:19:37.157 --> 01:19:39.319
weeks ago with, uh, Jim Starlin of, uh,

01:19:39.338 --> 01:19:40.038
Thanos fame.

01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:42.921
And then I just had, um, uh,

01:19:44.529 --> 01:19:46.911
the writer and editor from Pug W.

01:19:47.070 --> 01:19:51.114
They're doing a behind the scenes kind of

01:19:51.135 --> 01:19:52.896
like an art book.

01:19:52.957 --> 01:19:55.538
It's called Marvel Panels Behind the

01:19:55.559 --> 01:19:57.841
Scenes for Secret Wars.

01:19:57.881 --> 01:20:00.463
So they take Jonathan Hickman's and Esad

01:20:00.484 --> 01:20:00.844
Rubik's

01:20:03.894 --> 01:20:05.154
version of the Secret Wars,

01:20:05.536 --> 01:20:06.475
and they go behind the scenes.

01:20:06.497 --> 01:20:08.118
They interview all the creators,

01:20:08.658 --> 01:20:09.479
all the stories,

01:20:09.599 --> 01:20:10.980
and they have a Kickstarter for it.

01:20:11.301 --> 01:20:13.643
I've seen that recently on Kickstarter.

01:20:13.662 --> 01:20:14.583
I was wondering if that was the one

01:20:14.604 --> 01:20:15.345
you were talking about.

01:20:15.725 --> 01:20:17.006
Yeah, so we had a chance.

01:20:17.046 --> 01:20:18.627
Just released something like that, too.

01:20:19.068 --> 01:20:20.369
Yeah, I'm not sure.

01:20:20.529 --> 01:20:22.832
Is this for Walking Dead, or is it

01:20:25.233 --> 01:20:26.335
I don't remember which one it's for.

01:20:26.395 --> 01:20:28.337
I think it's for a couple of them.

01:20:28.918 --> 01:20:30.341
Like just some of the,

01:20:30.462 --> 01:20:32.045
like it might be like a tabletop book,

01:20:32.244 --> 01:20:33.506
you know, like a coffee table book.

01:20:34.168 --> 01:20:35.770
But I know he had something like that.

01:20:36.317 --> 01:20:37.277
Yeah, it's like this.

01:20:37.337 --> 01:20:38.898
This one's the artist edition size.

01:20:39.318 --> 01:20:41.739
And so I had a chance to talk

01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:42.079
with.

01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:44.961
So it's like, you know, this stick.

01:20:45.140 --> 01:20:45.341
Yes.

01:20:45.501 --> 01:20:46.502
Monster of a book.

01:20:47.162 --> 01:20:48.363
And Mason Rabinowitz.

01:20:48.582 --> 01:20:50.543
And so they went through all of the

01:20:50.564 --> 01:20:52.805
backstory on some of the stuff that's

01:20:52.845 --> 01:20:55.626
available, not only with the Kickstarter,

01:20:55.645 --> 01:20:56.827
but also some of the behind the scenes

01:20:56.867 --> 01:20:57.167
stuff.

01:20:57.527 --> 01:20:58.967
So we got that really cool.

01:20:59.068 --> 01:21:00.689
And then, as I mentioned,

01:21:00.729 --> 01:21:03.250
heading over to heading down to Brazil for

01:21:03.270 --> 01:21:04.149
the in-store signing for.

01:21:04.170 --> 01:21:05.251
That's going to be amazing.

01:21:06.051 --> 01:21:08.212
And we're currently getting the book.

01:21:08.734 --> 01:21:11.595
It's already translated into Portuguese

01:21:11.697 --> 01:21:12.877
and we have that edition ready.

01:21:13.698 --> 01:21:15.260
And then we're going to have a French

01:21:15.739 --> 01:21:16.501
version as well, too.

01:21:16.900 --> 01:21:18.403
So we're in the process of getting that

01:21:18.462 --> 01:21:18.743
one done.

01:21:19.703 --> 01:21:20.244
How's that been?

01:21:20.345 --> 01:21:21.845
How's that process been like?

01:21:21.926 --> 01:21:22.105
I know.

01:21:22.185 --> 01:21:22.426
Is it?

01:21:23.524 --> 01:21:25.685
Because it's Lucas doing the translation

01:21:25.704 --> 01:21:26.385
for you, all right?

01:21:26.725 --> 01:21:26.984
Yes.

01:21:27.145 --> 01:21:28.466
For the French and the Portuguese?

01:21:28.666 --> 01:21:29.766
He's doing the Portuguese.

01:21:29.827 --> 01:21:32.287
And then we have Marc Roy,

01:21:32.328 --> 01:21:33.868
who's up here in Quebec.

01:21:35.269 --> 01:21:35.929
He's doing the French.

01:21:35.948 --> 01:21:36.548
French-Canadian.

01:21:36.708 --> 01:21:37.128
Yeah.

01:21:37.149 --> 01:21:37.810
That makes sense.

01:21:39.289 --> 01:21:39.689
Absolutely.

01:21:39.751 --> 01:21:40.990
He's a comic creator as well, too.

01:21:41.690 --> 01:21:43.811
So he translated it.

01:21:43.872 --> 01:21:44.893
And then we're going to have Jerome

01:21:44.932 --> 01:21:45.432
Gagnon,

01:21:45.693 --> 01:21:46.832
who does a lot of work for Orange

01:21:46.872 --> 01:21:48.894
Cone Comics out of the States.

01:21:49.314 --> 01:21:52.034
He's going to be lettering the French

01:21:52.275 --> 01:21:52.815
graphic novel.

01:21:53.595 --> 01:21:56.398
it's so cool to see that you're you're

01:21:56.478 --> 01:21:59.279
marketing it to the right people and

01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:01.240
getting it translated into multiple

01:22:01.261 --> 01:22:04.262
different languages to fit your creators

01:22:04.623 --> 01:22:07.845
because i mean i don't want people to

01:22:07.886 --> 01:22:10.408
forget that there is a french speaking

01:22:10.547 --> 01:22:12.229
portion of canada and that's all they

01:22:12.248 --> 01:22:13.529
speak up there is french i mean their

01:22:13.590 --> 01:22:15.350
english is good but it's mainly french up

01:22:15.390 --> 01:22:18.893
there and um it's really cool and the

01:22:18.912 --> 01:22:20.094
only reason i know that is because i'll

01:22:20.113 --> 01:22:20.914
watch letter kenny

01:22:23.630 --> 01:22:24.371
Awesome.

01:22:24.390 --> 01:22:25.412
Letter Candy rocks, man.

01:22:26.533 --> 01:22:27.694
I'm a huge fan.

01:22:27.814 --> 01:22:28.895
Ever since I discovered it,

01:22:28.956 --> 01:22:29.617
I was just like...

01:22:29.997 --> 01:22:32.760
And then the spinoff with Shorzy has been

01:22:32.819 --> 01:22:33.440
phenomenal.

01:22:34.100 --> 01:22:35.582
So I'm glad you can relate to that

01:22:35.603 --> 01:22:36.904
because that's such a fun show.

01:22:37.385 --> 01:22:38.365
Yeah, it's a fun show.

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And then I like hockey as well, too.

01:22:41.628 --> 01:22:43.731
I've never been a big hockey guy, but...

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Watching Shorzy makes me love hockey even

01:22:47.463 --> 01:22:49.445
more because it's AAA beer league.

01:22:49.485 --> 01:22:50.466
Yeah.

01:22:50.487 --> 01:22:51.509
It's fighting in beer.

01:22:51.729 --> 01:22:52.670
How awesome is that?

01:22:53.310 --> 01:22:53.711
Can't go wrong.

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It's a little hockey thrown in.

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A tiny bit.

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But Steve,

01:22:57.900 --> 01:22:59.341
let everybody know where they can find

01:22:59.381 --> 01:23:01.802
yourself and Comics Asylum.

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We'll wrap it up.

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Don't worry.

01:23:03.484 --> 01:23:04.744
So you can find us on YouTube.

01:23:04.864 --> 01:23:06.045
We're Comics Asylum.

01:23:06.484 --> 01:23:08.987
And then we're also on Instagram at Comics

01:23:09.006 --> 01:23:10.067
Asylum as well, too.

01:23:10.527 --> 01:23:12.667
And www.comicsasylum.com,

01:23:12.707 --> 01:23:14.048
which is our regular site,

01:23:14.088 --> 01:23:15.609
which we post all the news and stuff

01:23:15.630 --> 01:23:16.310
from the industry.

01:23:16.970 --> 01:23:17.951
And then if you want to pick up

01:23:18.011 --> 01:23:18.911
copies of Atrium,

01:23:18.970 --> 01:23:22.073
you can find us at comicsasylum.pub.

01:23:24.271 --> 01:23:24.591
Awesome.

01:23:25.332 --> 01:23:26.434
I like it.

01:23:26.493 --> 01:23:27.515
So council members,

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that brings us to the end of another

01:23:29.556 --> 01:23:32.819
deep dive into the stories shaping our

01:23:32.859 --> 01:23:34.060
corner of the universe.

01:23:34.140 --> 01:23:36.783
A huge thank you to Steve and Comets

01:23:36.823 --> 01:23:39.024
Asylum for stopping by tonight to share

01:23:39.185 --> 01:23:39.984
Atrium with us.

01:23:40.845 --> 01:23:42.765
And whether you join this live or you're

01:23:42.786 --> 01:23:44.907
going to catch this later on our replay,

01:23:45.327 --> 01:23:46.646
make sure you support the creators.

01:23:46.726 --> 01:23:47.547
Check out the book.

01:23:47.868 --> 01:23:50.728
Continue filling the community that makes

01:23:50.887 --> 01:23:52.248
Indie Comets thrive.

01:23:52.649 --> 01:23:53.149
And remember,

01:23:53.248 --> 01:23:56.250
this is the USDN podcast where Indie

01:23:56.289 --> 01:23:58.149
Comets come to life.

01:23:58.510 --> 01:24:02.030
Steve, Atrium, Comets Asylum,

01:24:02.551 --> 01:24:07.152
y'all are all hereby USDN approved.

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It was a pleasure being here.

01:24:10.451 --> 01:24:10.931
And with that,

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this is the chairman and the council is

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adjourned.

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the,