1 00:00:00,060 --> 00:00:01,824 Speaker 1: Hello, dear friends, this is John Butler 2 00:00:02,385 --> 00:00:04,931 Speaker 1: and you're about to listen to a podcast 3 00:00:04,951 --> 00:00:06,013 Speaker 1: called Running the River. 4 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:08,626 Speaker 1: This is a new podcast that I have put 5 00:00:08,666 --> 00:00:10,491 Speaker 1: together with my dear friend Dingo Spender. 6 00:00:10,660 --> 00:00:12,726 Speaker 1: He, you may recall, helped me with the last 7 00:00:12,946 --> 00:00:14,972 Speaker 1: podcast I made for my album Home. 8 00:00:16,001 --> 00:00:18,570 Speaker 1: Here again we deconstruct and get under the 9 00:00:18,651 --> 00:00:20,718 Speaker 1: skin and get our hands dirty in the 10 00:00:20,779 --> 00:00:23,266 Speaker 1: substrate soil of what I was envisioning 11 00:00:23,326 --> 00:00:25,091 Speaker 1: for this latest ambient album. 12 00:00:25,220 --> 00:00:27,324 Speaker 1: This is an album I made for wellness 13 00:00:27,344 --> 00:00:29,990 Speaker 1: practitioners and practicers alike to 14 00:00:30,591 --> 00:00:34,108 Speaker 1: defrag and decompress in this very busy, 15 00:00:34,912 --> 00:00:38,704 Speaker 1: fast and quick world, and we hope you enjoy 16 00:00:38,904 --> 00:00:42,272 Speaker 1: as we take you up, down and across the 17 00:00:42,312 --> 00:00:42,573 Speaker 1: river. 18 00:00:43,100 --> 00:00:44,807 Speaker 1: This is Running the River. 19 00:00:46,940 --> 00:00:48,404 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, now that we've 20 00:00:48,444 --> 00:00:49,486 Speaker 1: gotten through all the things we want to 21 00:00:49,506 --> 00:00:49,727 Speaker 1: talk about. 22 00:00:49,747 --> 00:00:50,950 Speaker 1: Is this like? 23 00:00:51,030 --> 00:00:53,421 Speaker 1: What are you using to, if we're talking 24 00:00:53,461 --> 00:00:53,721 Speaker 1: about? 25 00:00:53,802 --> 00:00:54,704 Speaker 1: You know if the theme? 26 00:00:54,744 --> 00:00:56,568 Speaker 1: Is you regulating the nervous system? 27 00:00:57,490 --> 00:01:00,985 Speaker 1: and dealing with all the pressures of 28 00:01:01,025 --> 00:01:03,289 Speaker 1: modern society, let alone what we inherit 29 00:01:03,669 --> 00:01:04,471 Speaker 1: epigenetically. 30 00:01:05,132 --> 00:01:09,924 Speaker 1: What are your practices to um create a more 31 00:01:09,944 --> 00:01:18,294 Speaker 1: uh conducive life to uh uh ease and I don't 32 00:01:18,314 --> 00:01:20,681 Speaker 1: know, or may not that life has to be all 33 00:01:20,881 --> 00:01:23,948 Speaker 1: ease, but just maybe uh more peaceful yeah, 34 00:01:24,008 --> 00:01:25,311 Speaker 1: peaceful, that's a good word. 35 00:01:25,631 --> 00:01:26,513 Speaker 2: So, yeah, my my. 36 00:01:26,660 --> 00:01:29,005 Speaker 2: Now you know my tools and my tool belt. 37 00:01:29,105 --> 00:01:32,132 Speaker 2: Uh, breath would be my like my hammer you 38 00:01:32,172 --> 00:01:37,544 Speaker 2: know, that's my go-to daily work, um, and 39 00:01:38,005 --> 00:01:40,087 Speaker 2: you know I went really deep into um, 40 00:01:40,728 --> 00:01:41,689 Speaker 2: ashtanga yoga. 41 00:01:41,749 --> 00:01:44,952 Speaker 2: So like a fairly solid ashtanga yoga 42 00:01:44,992 --> 00:01:49,117 Speaker 2: practice and you know the combination of 43 00:01:49,140 --> 00:01:52,190 Speaker 2: those two, with always meditating, you know, 44 00:01:52,230 --> 00:01:52,792 Speaker 2: every morning. 45 00:01:53,133 --> 00:01:55,740 Speaker 2: And then my primary ways of getting through 46 00:01:56,782 --> 00:02:00,347 Speaker 2: and being a kind, open-minded, patient, 47 00:02:00,907 --> 00:02:03,511 Speaker 2: compassionate human being yeah, to myself 48 00:02:03,551 --> 00:02:04,192 Speaker 2: and my community. 49 00:02:04,432 --> 00:02:10,766 Speaker 2: And my family yeah, solid solid regime yeah, 50 00:02:11,668 --> 00:02:13,692 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be the first to say it's like 51 00:02:14,975 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: I'm not nailing it every morning. 52 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,245 Speaker 2: I'm, you know, I hope that you know in the 53 00:02:19,285 --> 00:02:21,331 Speaker 2: telling of this, there is no, there is no 54 00:02:21,411 --> 00:02:22,463 Speaker 2: part of it where it's like I do this every 55 00:02:22,483 --> 00:02:23,328 Speaker 2: single morning without fail, like you know. 56 00:02:23,368 --> 00:02:24,294 Speaker 2: The discipline side of it, where it's like 57 00:02:24,314 --> 00:02:25,380 Speaker 2: I do this every single morning without fail, 58 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,686 Speaker 2: like you know, the discipline side of it, 59 00:02:27,787 --> 00:02:29,031 Speaker 2: is a work in progress still. 60 00:02:29,260 --> 00:02:31,197 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it always is, isn't it? 61 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:32,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the real thing, you know. 62 00:02:32,724 --> 00:02:35,684 Speaker 1: Like one thing, I've the reoccurring thing 63 00:02:35,704 --> 00:02:38,763 Speaker 1: I've heard from you know a few different 64 00:02:39,084 --> 00:02:40,249 Speaker 1: meditation modalities. 65 00:02:40,349 --> 00:02:43,621 Speaker 1: It's like you will lose your center or you 66 00:02:43,661 --> 00:02:46,129 Speaker 1: will lose the mantra just come back to it. 67 00:02:46,289 --> 00:02:48,243 Speaker 1: And how you come back to it is actually 68 00:02:48,283 --> 00:02:50,208 Speaker 1: more important than actually, yes, not 69 00:02:50,289 --> 00:02:52,061 Speaker 1: falling off, because we will all fall. 70 00:02:52,101 --> 00:02:54,887 Speaker 1: It's a wobble, you know yeah yeah, the 71 00:02:54,927 --> 00:02:56,791 Speaker 1: whole thing wobbles, yeah, the whole thing, 72 00:02:56,971 --> 00:02:58,013 Speaker 1: yeah, like energy. 73 00:02:59,163 --> 00:03:01,389 Speaker 1: Energy wobbles, yeah, up and down, up and 74 00:03:01,430 --> 00:03:02,192 Speaker 1: down, the worth. 75 00:03:02,412 --> 00:03:04,238 Speaker 1: The earth is wobbling on its axis. 76 00:03:04,298 --> 00:03:05,902 Speaker 1: It's like we're all wobbling. 77 00:03:05,922 --> 00:03:09,009 Speaker 1: I think the idea, I think most people who 78 00:03:09,069 --> 00:03:10,893 Speaker 1: practice kind of know this, but I think 79 00:03:10,933 --> 00:03:12,323 Speaker 1: it's the, you know, there's that kind of 80 00:03:12,905 --> 00:03:18,238 Speaker 1: romantic um aspect to kind of the whole 81 00:03:18,579 --> 00:03:20,201 Speaker 1: quote-unquote wellness world or whatever 82 00:03:20,241 --> 00:03:21,502 Speaker 1: else that people see from the outside. 83 00:03:21,562 --> 00:03:22,924 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's like, when you're 84 00:03:22,944 --> 00:03:26,767 Speaker 1: looking for this, some kind of utopic, um 85 00:03:28,929 --> 00:03:33,854 Speaker 1: unrealistic, fantastical idea of um 86 00:03:34,034 --> 00:03:36,817 Speaker 1: serenity or you know, and actually a lot of 87 00:03:36,837 --> 00:03:38,624 Speaker 1: times it's there's a lot of discomfort, 88 00:03:38,784 --> 00:03:40,067 Speaker 1: yeah, you know. 89 00:03:40,087 --> 00:03:42,012 Speaker 1: And the tension and the release of it all 90 00:03:42,092 --> 00:03:43,942 Speaker 1: it's like it's not just all about release. 91 00:03:44,002 --> 00:03:46,646 Speaker 1: There has to be, yeah, sun and moon, day 92 00:03:46,706 --> 00:03:51,553 Speaker 1: and night, you know, and yeah, that you 93 00:03:51,573 --> 00:03:51,693 Speaker 1: know. 94 00:03:51,733 --> 00:03:55,784 Speaker 1: I think, another definition of yoga it's 95 00:03:55,804 --> 00:03:58,450 Speaker 1: just like the practice, you know it is, it 96 00:03:58,470 --> 00:03:59,131 Speaker 1: is the journey. 97 00:03:59,231 --> 00:04:01,402 Speaker 1: It's like it's not, it's not this, it's 98 00:04:01,422 --> 00:04:02,226 Speaker 1: more of a way than a discipline, so to 99 00:04:02,246 --> 00:04:02,346 Speaker 1: speak. 100 00:04:02,367 --> 00:04:03,391 Speaker 1: That life is, yeah, it's not, yeah, it's 101 00:04:03,411 --> 00:04:04,275 Speaker 1: not this, it's more of a way than a 102 00:04:04,335 --> 00:04:05,380 Speaker 1: discipline, so to speak. 103 00:04:08,707 --> 00:04:10,210 Speaker 1: That life is it's not like, cool, once you 104 00:04:10,230 --> 00:04:11,813 Speaker 1: do this and then you do this, then it's all 105 00:04:11,853 --> 00:04:14,124 Speaker 1: right, it's like, and then this too shall 106 00:04:14,164 --> 00:04:16,208 Speaker 1: pass and something else is going to happen. 107 00:04:18,192 --> 00:04:19,134 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 108 00:04:20,601 --> 00:04:23,004 Speaker 1: And for me it's like finding the right 109 00:04:23,044 --> 00:04:24,466 Speaker 1: combination, as well. 110 00:04:26,529 --> 00:04:28,972 Speaker 1: I need running in my life or skateboarding 111 00:04:29,012 --> 00:04:34,045 Speaker 1: in my life to give me that burst, and also 112 00:04:34,146 --> 00:04:37,473 Speaker 1: just, literally just the cardio. 113 00:04:38,561 --> 00:04:40,807 Speaker 1: And then I need other things that stop all 114 00:04:40,887 --> 00:04:44,363 Speaker 1: the noise and have to sit still and 115 00:04:44,404 --> 00:04:46,630 Speaker 1: meditate and then the breathing, which you 116 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:46,900 Speaker 1: know. 117 00:04:47,001 --> 00:04:48,945 Speaker 1: The modality that I was introduced to, you 118 00:04:49,125 --> 00:04:52,532 Speaker 1: know, yeah, a year or so ago, was just this 119 00:04:52,633 --> 00:04:54,404 Speaker 1: idea like you're not trying to still the 120 00:04:54,444 --> 00:04:55,808 Speaker 1: mind, you're not, you're actually just 121 00:04:55,828 --> 00:04:57,031 Speaker 1: trying to keep the breath. 122 00:04:57,683 --> 00:04:58,025 Speaker 1: Natural. 123 00:04:58,065 --> 00:04:59,412 Speaker 1: You can move as much as you want, you can 124 00:04:59,453 --> 00:05:00,558 Speaker 1: think about whatever you want to think 125 00:05:00,599 --> 00:05:03,186 Speaker 1: about and, you know, just lack of 126 00:05:03,267 --> 00:05:05,192 Speaker 1: expectation to get it right was actually 127 00:05:06,843 --> 00:05:08,787 Speaker 1: really, really great little practice to 128 00:05:08,807 --> 00:05:09,048 Speaker 1: have. 129 00:05:09,168 --> 00:05:11,372 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's coming back to that 130 00:05:11,412 --> 00:05:13,362 Speaker 2: practice, which is the foundation of all 131 00:05:13,423 --> 00:05:17,250 Speaker 2: these particular eastern practices, is is 132 00:05:17,571 --> 00:05:18,793 Speaker 2: approaching it with kindness. 133 00:05:18,954 --> 00:05:20,544 Speaker 2: You know why would I approach? 134 00:05:20,785 --> 00:05:22,630 Speaker 2: Why would I beat myself up over not 135 00:05:22,670 --> 00:05:23,493 Speaker 2: relaxing enough? 136 00:05:24,716 --> 00:05:26,402 Speaker 1: you know why would I get stressed that I'm 137 00:05:26,422 --> 00:05:27,305 Speaker 1: not relaxed enough? 138 00:05:27,446 --> 00:05:29,635 Speaker 2: you know it's like it's like ah, okay it's 139 00:05:29,675 --> 00:05:32,043 Speaker 2: such an industrialized way of approaching 140 00:05:32,103 --> 00:05:32,424 Speaker 2: anything. 141 00:05:32,464 --> 00:05:35,751 Speaker 1: I think we've been so, we've so inherited a 142 00:05:35,871 --> 00:05:37,463 Speaker 1: model, and I don't know if you want to call 143 00:05:37,503 --> 00:05:39,390 Speaker 1: it industrialization, capitalism, yeah, 144 00:05:39,410 --> 00:05:42,043 Speaker 1: patriarchy, I don't know, whatever, give me 145 00:05:42,063 --> 00:05:43,085 Speaker 1: a mixture of all of it. 146 00:05:43,525 --> 00:05:44,908 Speaker 1: You know, inherited trauma, blah, blah, 147 00:05:44,928 --> 00:05:45,068 Speaker 1: blah. 148 00:05:45,248 --> 00:05:47,893 Speaker 1: But this idea that, like you know, we see 149 00:05:47,913 --> 00:05:52,420 Speaker 1: that in the West a bit with, say, you know, 150 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,223 Speaker 1: yoga, for example, it's like you know, 151 00:05:53,243 --> 00:05:54,386 Speaker 1: there's a, there's a, there is a small 152 00:05:54,466 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: tendency or, depending on how large, I'm, 153 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,304 Speaker 1: not part of the culture that much but that 154 00:05:58,364 --> 00:06:00,427 Speaker 1: it becomes a competition Like how much can 155 00:06:00,447 --> 00:06:01,950 Speaker 1: you stretch, how long can you hold it, how 156 00:06:02,090 --> 00:06:03,452 Speaker 1: bad it's, like it's. 157 00:06:03,713 --> 00:06:05,542 Speaker 1: We industrialize everything, everything has 158 00:06:05,562 --> 00:06:08,069 Speaker 1: to be a commodity in a competition in the 159 00:06:08,109 --> 00:06:11,700 Speaker 1: west, and like and to take that competition 160 00:06:12,542 --> 00:06:14,606 Speaker 1: out and be kind. 161 00:06:14,666 --> 00:06:16,610 Speaker 1: You know I always, you know recall I 162 00:06:16,630 --> 00:06:17,753 Speaker 1: probably said this in the last podcast. 163 00:06:17,813 --> 00:06:18,300 Speaker 1: I said a lot. 164 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,185 Speaker 1: It's like asking a friend about how he 165 00:06:20,206 --> 00:06:21,990 Speaker 1: deals with anxiety and like I'm like what 166 00:06:22,010 --> 00:06:22,432 Speaker 1: do you do? 167 00:06:22,492 --> 00:06:23,142 Speaker 1: I need some help. 168 00:06:23,182 --> 00:06:24,987 Speaker 1: And she's like I just well, I just try to 169 00:06:25,007 --> 00:06:26,170 Speaker 1: be kind to myself. 170 00:06:26,250 --> 00:06:28,344 Speaker 1: And I'm just like what did you say? 171 00:06:28,605 --> 00:06:29,548 Speaker 1: Yeah, he said. 172 00:06:29,588 --> 00:06:30,290 Speaker 1: I said kind of like. 173 00:06:30,621 --> 00:06:31,625 Speaker 1: What's that word mean? 174 00:06:31,665 --> 00:06:32,288 Speaker 1: Like like I was. 175 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,102 Speaker 1: It was almost like he spoke another 176 00:06:50,122 --> 00:06:50,403 Speaker 1: language to me. 177 00:06:50,423 --> 00:06:51,225 Speaker 1: Protocol that I would kind of yeah, I've 178 00:06:51,245 --> 00:06:51,566 Speaker 1: been raised with. 179 00:06:51,586 --> 00:06:52,469 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that my parents weren't kind, 180 00:06:52,489 --> 00:06:53,351 Speaker 1: I'm saying just this idea of oh well, first 181 00:06:53,371 --> 00:06:54,073 Speaker 1: of all be kind, oh, that's all right 182 00:06:54,093 --> 00:06:54,916 Speaker 1: because that's okay, but then fuck I can't 183 00:06:54,935 --> 00:06:55,377 Speaker 1: do this, why can't I do? 184 00:06:55,397 --> 00:06:55,918 Speaker 2: everybody else can do it. 185 00:06:55,938 --> 00:06:56,881 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, and and you know, 186 00:06:58,303 --> 00:07:00,547 Speaker 2: when you start going the, the distilled 187 00:07:01,208 --> 00:07:03,011 Speaker 2: wisdom of the masters, the spiritual 188 00:07:03,051 --> 00:07:04,914 Speaker 2: masters like Thich Nhat Hanh, his, his 189 00:07:04,954 --> 00:07:11,351 Speaker 2: approach, he embodies um 100%, the, the 190 00:07:11,432 --> 00:07:13,916 Speaker 2: lifelong pursuit of kindness, like it's, 191 00:07:13,997 --> 00:07:17,925 Speaker 2: it's an actual religion, that Buddhism he 192 00:07:17,965 --> 00:07:20,532 Speaker 2: built Buddhism around to, to just keep 193 00:07:20,552 --> 00:07:24,362 Speaker 2: supporting the intention of kindness to 194 00:07:24,402 --> 00:07:26,489 Speaker 2: himself and community and the world. 195 00:07:26,549 --> 00:07:26,951 Speaker 1: Yeah. 196 00:07:27,462 --> 00:07:28,105 Speaker 2: What year is this? 197 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,860 Speaker 2: Thich Nhat Hanh is like uh, he died, I 198 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,342 Speaker 2: think three years ago, vietnam, very famous 199 00:07:33,362 --> 00:07:35,329 Speaker 2: Vietnamese Buddhist master. 200 00:07:35,901 --> 00:07:36,825 Speaker 2: I'll pass this on. 201 00:07:37,266 --> 00:07:41,001 Speaker 2: He's my his interpretation of um of the 202 00:07:41,041 --> 00:07:44,327 Speaker 2: Buddha is like is just heaven. 203 00:07:44,648 --> 00:07:44,829 Speaker 1: Yeah. 204 00:07:45,101 --> 00:07:46,164 Speaker 2: Heaven, yeah Interesting of the buddha is 205 00:07:46,184 --> 00:07:46,967 Speaker 2: like it's just heaven yeah, heaven, yeah 206 00:07:46,987 --> 00:07:47,368 Speaker 2: interesting. 207 00:07:47,408 --> 00:07:50,102 Speaker 2: And what he did with his life and that the 208 00:07:50,623 --> 00:07:53,609 Speaker 2: example that his life became of kindness. 209 00:07:54,551 --> 00:07:57,363 Speaker 2: It is a testament to it is probably the 210 00:07:57,403 --> 00:07:58,486 Speaker 2: most peaceful action. 211 00:07:58,787 --> 00:08:01,092 Speaker 2: It is beyond what he yeah, he's. 212 00:08:01,192 --> 00:08:18,976 Speaker 1: He's my hero it's funny like I was saying 213 00:08:19,057 --> 00:08:22,260 Speaker 1: um, we're talking about the propensity, uh, 214 00:08:23,001 --> 00:08:25,468 Speaker 1: the ease in which meanness comes compared 215 00:08:25,508 --> 00:08:28,335 Speaker 1: to kindness online, you know, it's like to 216 00:08:28,375 --> 00:08:28,976 Speaker 1: be kind. 217 00:08:29,036 --> 00:08:31,610 Speaker 1: It's probably the most radical it is and 218 00:08:31,731 --> 00:08:33,596 Speaker 1: badass and punk punk thing that you could 219 00:08:33,616 --> 00:08:35,411 Speaker 1: do, and actually one of the hardest things 220 00:08:35,432 --> 00:08:35,632 Speaker 1: to do. 221 00:08:35,725 --> 00:08:37,010 Speaker 1: It's actually so easy to judge. 222 00:08:37,090 --> 00:08:37,431 Speaker 1: I heard this. 223 00:08:39,386 --> 00:08:40,511 Speaker 1: I don't know who he was. 224 00:08:40,805 --> 00:08:42,873 Speaker 1: I recognize him from a movie of some sort. 225 00:08:43,585 --> 00:08:47,094 Speaker 1: He was doing a valedictorian speech for the 226 00:08:47,154 --> 00:08:49,781 Speaker 1: graduation class and I don't know if those 227 00:08:49,801 --> 00:08:50,065 Speaker 1: are the same. 228 00:08:50,286 --> 00:08:52,131 Speaker 1: A valedictorian is probably somebody who's 229 00:08:52,171 --> 00:08:53,195 Speaker 1: part of the graduation class. 230 00:08:53,355 --> 00:08:55,338 Speaker 1: Anyways, he was doing a graduation speech 231 00:08:55,439 --> 00:08:57,811 Speaker 1: as the guest speaker and he was like you 232 00:08:57,851 --> 00:09:03,050 Speaker 1: can always tell who the smartest and not so 233 00:09:03,090 --> 00:09:04,968 Speaker 1: smartest people in the room are. 234 00:09:05,330 --> 00:09:09,562 Speaker 1: The meanest people are always the less 235 00:09:09,582 --> 00:09:11,782 Speaker 1: intelligent and the nicest people are the 236 00:09:11,883 --> 00:09:12,105 Speaker 1: most. 237 00:09:12,225 --> 00:09:14,434 Speaker 1: And he said whether this is true or not, 238 00:09:14,474 --> 00:09:15,197 Speaker 1: this isn't you know. 239 00:09:15,305 --> 00:09:16,610 Speaker 1: Obviously it's a metaphor for those 240 00:09:16,650 --> 00:09:17,413 Speaker 1: listening, but it's like. 241 00:09:17,805 --> 00:09:20,255 Speaker 1: It's like we are wired with fight or flight 242 00:09:20,636 --> 00:09:23,306 Speaker 1: and negative bias to see others that are 243 00:09:23,366 --> 00:09:25,886 Speaker 1: different to us, who don't, who are not, 244 00:09:25,946 --> 00:09:29,697 Speaker 1: birds of a feather to us, as a mystery, 245 00:09:29,965 --> 00:09:31,868 Speaker 1: different and potential danger, whether 246 00:09:31,908 --> 00:09:37,777 Speaker 1: that is sex, gender, orientation, ethnicity, 247 00:09:37,977 --> 00:09:38,418 Speaker 1: color. 248 00:09:38,958 --> 00:09:41,222 Speaker 1: Uh, we are wired by a lot biology, 249 00:09:41,682 --> 00:09:43,826 Speaker 1: biologically, to a certain degree, to go, 250 00:09:43,906 --> 00:09:45,851 Speaker 1: oh, that's different, is this a threat or 251 00:09:45,972 --> 00:09:47,876 Speaker 1: you know, or an advantage, you know, 252 00:09:47,957 --> 00:09:50,066 Speaker 1: whether we kind of like it or not, let 253 00:09:50,086 --> 00:09:51,747 Speaker 1: alone all the social norms that then get 254 00:09:51,787 --> 00:09:52,888 Speaker 1: built upon those things. 255 00:09:52,928 --> 00:09:56,570 Speaker 1: He goes, and to be kind is to have enough. 256 00:09:56,990 --> 00:09:59,711 Speaker 1: He's in enough of the last of our nervous 257 00:09:59,731 --> 00:10:00,092 Speaker 1: system. 258 00:10:00,132 --> 00:10:02,293 Speaker 1: You know the prefrontal cortex, you know 259 00:10:02,313 --> 00:10:05,775 Speaker 1: the youngest part of our nervous system and 260 00:10:05,795 --> 00:10:08,856 Speaker 1: to analyzing and to go, oh, but that person, 261 00:10:08,937 --> 00:10:10,257 Speaker 1: just because they're a different color than 262 00:10:10,277 --> 00:10:11,398 Speaker 1: me, doesn't mean they're a threat. 263 00:10:11,418 --> 00:10:14,219 Speaker 1: Because that person likes that sexual 264 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,561 Speaker 1: orientation or because of that political 265 00:10:16,961 --> 00:10:19,042 Speaker 1: persuasion or faith persuasion, that 266 00:10:19,082 --> 00:10:24,465 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're different to me and 267 00:10:24,486 --> 00:10:25,391 Speaker 1: they see the world maybe differently to how 268 00:10:25,431 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: I see it or have a different perspective or 269 00:10:26,719 --> 00:10:29,190 Speaker 1: a different preference, but they are not a 270 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:32,071 Speaker 1: threat to me and they are no different to 271 00:10:32,111 --> 00:10:33,155 Speaker 1: me in a lot of different ways. 272 00:10:33,245 --> 00:10:38,117 Speaker 1: To have that cognitive practice, to be 273 00:10:38,198 --> 00:10:40,082 Speaker 1: mindful enough and not a reptile, enough 274 00:10:40,483 --> 00:10:41,165 Speaker 1: shows intelligence. 275 00:10:42,207 --> 00:10:46,854 Speaker 1: So the meanest are actually the less 276 00:10:46,914 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: intelligent, the most driven by primordial 277 00:10:49,979 --> 00:10:52,336 Speaker 1: fears, and I guess what I'm making, a 278 00:10:52,274 --> 00:10:52,644 Speaker 1: statement, is much as just like when you 279 00:10:52,583 --> 00:10:53,157 Speaker 1: said kindness, most driven by primordial 280 00:10:53,095 --> 00:10:53,568 Speaker 1: fears, and there was this always. 281 00:10:53,507 --> 00:10:54,910 Speaker 1: You know, I guess, what I'm making, a 282 00:10:54,930 --> 00:10:56,435 Speaker 1: statement as much as, just like when you 283 00:10:56,475 --> 00:11:01,586 Speaker 1: said kindness, I'm really struck that it it 284 00:11:01,747 --> 00:11:07,197 Speaker 1: utilizes our most advanced inner biological 285 00:11:07,237 --> 00:11:07,778 Speaker 1: technology. 286 00:11:07,979 --> 00:11:09,088 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it does. 287 00:11:09,189 --> 00:11:10,454 Speaker 1: Takes a lot to to love, to be kind it does 288 00:11:10,474 --> 00:11:11,639 Speaker 1: when the world's driven by fear, a lot of 289 00:11:11,659 --> 00:11:11,699 Speaker 1: it. 290 00:11:11,719 --> 00:11:14,910 Speaker 1: To be kind it does when the world's driven 291 00:11:14,950 --> 00:11:19,126 Speaker 1: by fear a lot of it and we're fed fear To 292 00:11:19,227 --> 00:11:19,949 Speaker 1: bypass that. 293 00:11:19,989 --> 00:11:22,455 Speaker 1: Enough to have enough regulation, fucking 294 00:11:22,556 --> 00:11:24,467 Speaker 1: regulation, I mean. 295 00:11:24,508 --> 00:11:25,973 Speaker 1: That's the main reason why I do it. 296 00:11:29,385 --> 00:11:30,350 Speaker 1: Regulating is key. 297 00:11:31,206 --> 00:11:34,716 Speaker 1: My biggest regrets, nine times out of ten, 298 00:11:34,776 --> 00:11:36,470 Speaker 1: of the fact that I wasn't regulated enough, 299 00:11:37,193 --> 00:11:38,718 Speaker 1: usually around the people I love the most 300 00:11:40,384 --> 00:11:41,748 Speaker 1: or the people I was so wanted to be 301 00:11:41,788 --> 00:11:44,795 Speaker 1: understood by you know how to regulate the 302 00:11:44,876 --> 00:11:45,317 Speaker 1: fear in me. 303 00:11:47,829 --> 00:11:48,630 Speaker 1: It's interesting, dan. 304 00:11:48,730 --> 00:11:53,858 Speaker 1: There I was like I'm like man, I'm like my 305 00:11:53,918 --> 00:11:56,368 Speaker 1: intuition's pretty spot on, my gut is 306 00:11:56,488 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: pretty spot on and somehow I think she said 307 00:11:59,499 --> 00:12:01,125 Speaker 1: it we both got to it's like it's actually 308 00:12:01,185 --> 00:12:03,531 Speaker 1: not the intuition of the gut, it's the 309 00:12:03,551 --> 00:12:05,676 Speaker 1: filter that has to go through to get to a 310 00:12:05,716 --> 00:12:07,447 Speaker 1: thought form and an action. 311 00:12:07,687 --> 00:12:10,112 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the filter that my thoughts go 312 00:12:10,152 --> 00:12:15,205 Speaker 1: through are survival and negative bias, so 313 00:12:15,266 --> 00:12:17,478 Speaker 1: I'll get a fucking smell on something like 314 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:18,665 Speaker 1: something's not right. 315 00:12:18,845 --> 00:12:21,629 Speaker 1: And then the filters it has to go through, 316 00:12:21,669 --> 00:12:24,252 Speaker 1: which are going to be mixed with my trauma 317 00:12:24,692 --> 00:12:26,635 Speaker 1: and my predispositions and everything else 318 00:12:26,655 --> 00:12:29,118 Speaker 1: that I've inherited, either psychologically, 319 00:12:29,178 --> 00:12:32,301 Speaker 1: physically, epigenetically, culturally. 320 00:12:34,025 --> 00:12:34,928 Speaker 1: Psychologically, physically, epigenetically, 321 00:12:34,948 --> 00:12:35,148 Speaker 1: culturally. 322 00:12:35,168 --> 00:12:36,171 Speaker 1: It has to go through all that, all those 323 00:12:36,191 --> 00:12:36,633 Speaker 1: biases, to then pop out. 324 00:12:36,653 --> 00:12:39,180 Speaker 1: The other side is and this is what I think 325 00:12:39,220 --> 00:12:40,326 Speaker 1: about that, or this is how I'm going to 326 00:12:40,346 --> 00:12:42,953 Speaker 1: respond to it yeah, and I just find that 327 00:12:43,054 --> 00:12:45,126 Speaker 1: really interesting that you know, yeah, you 328 00:12:45,146 --> 00:12:48,351 Speaker 1: can have a great intuition, but if it's, if 329 00:12:48,431 --> 00:12:51,896 Speaker 1: it's been translated through an app that 330 00:12:51,956 --> 00:12:55,907 Speaker 1: has trauma bias- of some sort it's going to 331 00:12:55,947 --> 00:12:57,011 Speaker 1: come back as defensive. 332 00:12:57,152 --> 00:12:57,313 Speaker 2: Yeah. 333 00:12:58,846 --> 00:13:01,033 Speaker 1: It's the same way when they talk about AI 334 00:13:01,113 --> 00:13:01,715 Speaker 1: or the internet. 335 00:13:01,905 --> 00:13:05,095 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, first of all it's not 336 00:13:05,195 --> 00:13:06,813 Speaker 1: artificial, nor is it intelligent to a 337 00:13:06,833 --> 00:13:07,478 Speaker 1: certain degree. 338 00:13:07,498 --> 00:13:08,405 Speaker 1: First of all, it's not artificial. 339 00:13:08,525 --> 00:13:10,773 Speaker 1: It's completely coded by us and all our 340 00:13:10,813 --> 00:13:13,873 Speaker 1: bias our cultural and our racial bias and 341 00:13:13,913 --> 00:13:15,747 Speaker 1: our political bias and you can see that 342 00:13:16,791 --> 00:13:18,436 Speaker 1: online as we speak. 343 00:13:19,525 --> 00:13:20,831 Speaker 1: And nor is it very intelligent. 344 00:13:20,871 --> 00:13:23,588 Speaker 1: Sometimes, you know, like it's how we 345 00:13:23,648 --> 00:13:30,336 Speaker 1: choose to filter and what the input and the 346 00:13:30,396 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: data points that are coming in are just 347 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,461 Speaker 1: data points and it's like. 348 00:13:34,605 --> 00:13:36,112 Speaker 1: It's like almost that kind of that Zen 349 00:13:36,132 --> 00:13:36,333 Speaker 1: things. 350 00:13:36,565 --> 00:13:38,954 Speaker 1: It's just stuff happening, it's just life. 351 00:13:39,206 --> 00:13:40,752 Speaker 1: There's no meaning to any of it. 352 00:13:41,145 --> 00:13:43,474 Speaker 1: And then we're us meaning making machines, 353 00:13:44,186 --> 00:13:46,453 Speaker 1: we process it in this hardware and what 354 00:13:46,493 --> 00:13:48,186 Speaker 1: pops out the other side can be anything 355 00:13:48,226 --> 00:13:52,106 Speaker 1: from make America great again to uh, I 356 00:13:52,166 --> 00:13:54,392 Speaker 1: choose not to eat any living animals to. 357 00:13:54,612 --> 00:13:57,968 Speaker 1: You know, I do not understand that. 358 00:13:59,351 --> 00:14:03,759 Speaker 1: That race or that religion and how we 359 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:05,883 Speaker 1: program, how we choose to regulate. 360 00:14:06,545 --> 00:14:07,786 Speaker 1: That I find interesting. 361 00:14:07,806 --> 00:14:10,169 Speaker 1: You know, by no means to anybody listening 362 00:14:10,189 --> 00:14:12,391 Speaker 1: do I think I have any of the answers. 363 00:14:12,492 --> 00:14:17,437 Speaker 1: I'm just profoundly struck by the filters 364 00:14:17,517 --> 00:14:20,721 Speaker 1: in which we choose to take this data in. 365 00:14:21,061 --> 00:14:24,893 Speaker 1: Yes, and then the narratives that we build 366 00:14:24,913 --> 00:14:27,358 Speaker 1: them into, that create our realities. 367 00:14:27,745 --> 00:15:07,023 Speaker 2: Absolutely what I'm imagining, or you know 368 00:15:07,063 --> 00:15:09,305 Speaker 2: what I, the way I interpret that is through, 369 00:15:09,565 --> 00:15:10,866 Speaker 2: you know it's actually going back to 370 00:15:10,906 --> 00:15:11,467 Speaker 2: another buddhist. 371 00:15:11,567 --> 00:15:12,449 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm really into'm really into 372 00:15:12,469 --> 00:15:15,154 Speaker 2: Buddhism, but it's the way I I'm regulating 373 00:15:15,215 --> 00:15:17,399 Speaker 2: as well through that technology of Buddhism 374 00:15:17,559 --> 00:15:20,552 Speaker 2: and it's the concept that how you label it, 375 00:15:20,873 --> 00:15:23,059 Speaker 2: how I label it, is how it appears. 376 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,188 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm creating, and the more 377 00:15:27,228 --> 00:15:32,376 Speaker 2: conscious I am of my labeling style um, 378 00:15:33,578 --> 00:15:36,702 Speaker 2: habit, habit, passion, it is not not 379 00:15:36,723 --> 00:15:38,265 Speaker 2: passion, pretty suspicious, yeah, thank you. 380 00:15:38,826 --> 00:15:40,308 Speaker 2: Predispositions on it. 381 00:15:40,349 --> 00:15:44,877 Speaker 2: Yeah, the more I am afraid of being at the 382 00:15:44,917 --> 00:15:47,226 Speaker 2: mercy of that or like a victim of that. 383 00:15:47,948 --> 00:15:50,835 Speaker 2: Yeah, filtering, you know, the more, the 384 00:15:50,875 --> 00:15:53,060 Speaker 2: more I'm conscious of how I'm filtering and 385 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:53,621 Speaker 2: and all. 386 00:15:53,761 --> 00:15:55,906 Speaker 2: It only requires a consciousness, it 387 00:15:55,947 --> 00:15:58,112 Speaker 2: doesn't require anything, it doesn't 388 00:15:58,152 --> 00:16:02,206 Speaker 2: require me to like even labor or effort. 389 00:16:02,507 --> 00:16:04,811 Speaker 2: What I want my new filter to be, at that 390 00:16:04,871 --> 00:16:07,142 Speaker 2: point, the just, even the recognition of 391 00:16:07,182 --> 00:16:09,190 Speaker 2: what is already there is incredibly 392 00:16:09,270 --> 00:16:10,435 Speaker 2: liberating, you know. 393 00:16:10,836 --> 00:16:12,521 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you actually realize I wrote 394 00:16:12,561 --> 00:16:12,761 Speaker 1: that. 395 00:16:12,982 --> 00:16:14,163 Speaker 1: Oh, I just made that up. 396 00:16:14,544 --> 00:16:16,747 Speaker 1: I think's where, if it's related back to 397 00:16:16,807 --> 00:16:19,270 Speaker 1: anything we're talking about, I keep on 398 00:16:19,310 --> 00:16:22,875 Speaker 1: wanting to say here's a bit of 399 00:16:22,955 --> 00:16:23,656 Speaker 1: predisposition. 400 00:16:23,740 --> 00:16:25,682 Speaker 1: I'm always trying to protect myself and so 401 00:16:27,832 --> 00:16:29,359 Speaker 1: I want to say to keep on saying to 402 00:16:29,379 --> 00:16:30,744 Speaker 1: everybody we don't know what we're talking 403 00:16:30,784 --> 00:16:32,463 Speaker 1: about, we're just jamming here and you know, 404 00:16:32,543 --> 00:16:34,174 Speaker 1: we're just taking a bunch of evidence that 405 00:16:34,194 --> 00:16:36,406 Speaker 1: we've collated and some things work for us. 406 00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:47,203 Speaker 1: They may not work for you, but the you know, 407 00:16:47,223 --> 00:16:48,005 Speaker 1: yeah, framing, you know how we choose to 408 00:16:48,025 --> 00:16:48,125 Speaker 1: frame. 409 00:16:48,145 --> 00:16:49,208 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like it is the end all and 410 00:16:49,228 --> 00:16:50,191 Speaker 1: be all, and again, that's what I was. 411 00:16:50,211 --> 00:16:51,213 Speaker 1: I found myself again. 412 00:16:51,293 --> 00:16:53,021 Speaker 1: Is that, and that's, I think, why we do the 413 00:16:53,041 --> 00:16:53,401 Speaker 1: practice. 414 00:16:53,622 --> 00:16:56,987 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that maybe in a glimpse, in a 415 00:16:57,148 --> 00:16:58,911 Speaker 1: fucking mere little glimpse, you're like, 416 00:16:59,372 --> 00:17:01,115 Speaker 1: oh, I just made that up. 417 00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:02,926 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I just made that. 418 00:17:02,946 --> 00:17:05,654 Speaker 1: Like I had enough distance from the canvas, 419 00:17:05,815 --> 00:17:08,182 Speaker 1: yeah, to observe myself, you know, to be 420 00:17:08,222 --> 00:17:09,946 Speaker 1: the observer for five seconds. 421 00:17:10,067 --> 00:17:11,671 Speaker 1: I think that's what the practice like 422 00:17:11,811 --> 00:17:14,884 Speaker 1: allows, and usually for me, probably, 423 00:17:14,904 --> 00:17:16,487 Speaker 1: because how much I practice when you know 424 00:17:16,648 --> 00:17:20,334 Speaker 1: is, I get glimpses mm-hmm and I'll sit 425 00:17:20,374 --> 00:17:22,604 Speaker 1: there and watch this person yeah, who's 426 00:17:22,644 --> 00:17:24,950 Speaker 1: myself and and what they're saying. 427 00:17:25,170 --> 00:17:27,102 Speaker 1: Yeah, hanging up the clothes, and I should. 428 00:17:27,122 --> 00:17:29,569 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, it's like and 429 00:17:29,589 --> 00:17:32,116 Speaker 2: that's what are you saying. 430 00:17:32,156 --> 00:17:34,422 Speaker 1: You just know, and I've actually said it 431 00:17:34,482 --> 00:17:36,768 Speaker 1: out loud hey to myself, hey myself, hey, 432 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:38,051 Speaker 1: you made that up. 433 00:17:38,412 --> 00:17:43,302 Speaker 1: Yeah, because what will happen is stories 434 00:17:43,322 --> 00:17:44,205 Speaker 1: are so important to me and to, I think, us 435 00:17:44,245 --> 00:17:45,891 Speaker 1: as human beings we're built off stories. 436 00:17:47,201 --> 00:17:49,108 Speaker 1: They can instantly, for me, I'm really 437 00:17:49,148 --> 00:17:51,547 Speaker 1: noticing cause a chemical reaction in my 438 00:17:51,587 --> 00:17:51,808 Speaker 1: body. 439 00:17:52,741 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: If I get a good enough story, I get scared 440 00:17:55,722 --> 00:17:57,488 Speaker 1: or I get moved in some way. 441 00:17:57,901 --> 00:17:59,741 Speaker 1: I have a predensity to protect myself be 442 00:17:59,801 --> 00:18:00,101 Speaker 1: scared. 443 00:18:00,121 --> 00:18:00,903 Speaker 1: It's fight or flight. 444 00:18:00,963 --> 00:18:04,110 Speaker 1: So I interested in just instantly start 445 00:18:04,130 --> 00:18:04,972 Speaker 1: making more cortisol. 446 00:18:05,193 --> 00:18:07,807 Speaker 1: Yeah, I, all of a sudden I'm finding a 447 00:18:07,928 --> 00:18:10,316 Speaker 1: chemical reaction in my body that literally 448 00:18:10,357 --> 00:18:11,821 Speaker 1: I'll come down from, like I'll have to, 449 00:18:11,841 --> 00:18:14,167 Speaker 1: like I have to take a walk, yeah, and wait 450 00:18:14,187 --> 00:18:17,665 Speaker 1: until I'm sober, yeah, from this chemical 451 00:18:17,725 --> 00:18:18,327 Speaker 1: infiltration. 452 00:18:18,347 --> 00:18:20,866 Speaker 1: That's just from a thought yeah, from your 453 00:18:20,966 --> 00:18:21,448 Speaker 1: own thought. 454 00:18:21,488 --> 00:18:23,475 Speaker 2: Yeah, not even from a thought planned by an 455 00:18:23,536 --> 00:18:26,443 Speaker 2: external party, not even a real thing 456 00:18:26,463 --> 00:18:27,185 Speaker 2: generated. 457 00:18:27,305 --> 00:18:30,692 Speaker 1: We're wacky we're great, it's amazing, but 458 00:18:30,712 --> 00:18:32,623 Speaker 1: I think it's what the practice is allowed. 459 00:18:32,783 --> 00:18:34,628 Speaker 1: You know, in some way another I guess it's 460 00:18:34,648 --> 00:18:37,884 Speaker 1: just those brief moments of like oh, that's 461 00:18:37,945 --> 00:18:39,541 Speaker 1: narrative, that's not real. 462 00:18:40,664 --> 00:18:42,368 Speaker 1: And I think once you start looking at life 463 00:18:42,428 --> 00:18:43,712 Speaker 1: a little bit that way, that's when things 464 00:18:43,752 --> 00:18:46,050 Speaker 1: can almost feel a little bit unsettling at 465 00:18:46,090 --> 00:18:47,638 Speaker 1: times because you're like, oh, this is a 466 00:18:47,698 --> 00:18:50,689 Speaker 1: collection of narratives, yeah, yeah, oh 467 00:18:50,729 --> 00:18:52,475 Speaker 1: shit, yeah, I think it's kind of what 468 00:18:52,496 --> 00:18:53,940 Speaker 1: happened to jim carrey a little bit, like 469 00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:57,769 Speaker 1: he kind of had this great point of view 470 00:18:58,149 --> 00:18:59,913 Speaker 1: perspective on himself and everything else 471 00:19:00,020 --> 00:19:01,684 Speaker 1: and it's like what's canadian mean? 472 00:19:02,024 --> 00:19:04,450 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's jim mean. 473 00:19:04,570 --> 00:19:06,841 Speaker 1: I mean, really, it's a frame, it's an idea, 474 00:19:06,902 --> 00:19:08,084 Speaker 1: it's a good agreement. 475 00:19:08,345 --> 00:19:09,127 Speaker 1: Yeah, is that who I am? 476 00:19:09,207 --> 00:19:10,570 Speaker 1: Like he can really start going. 477 00:19:11,091 --> 00:19:12,862 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great right out there. 478 00:19:12,882 --> 00:19:15,907 Speaker 1: A little bit as far as yeah, all the things 479 00:19:16,027 --> 00:19:17,870 Speaker 1: are yeah I like. 480 00:19:17,890 --> 00:19:20,655 Speaker 1: I like that it allows just a little bit of 481 00:19:21,762 --> 00:19:23,626 Speaker 1: spacing between me and that narrative to 482 00:19:23,666 --> 00:19:28,938 Speaker 1: see maybe there's an author and do I choose 483 00:19:28,999 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: to actually want to go on that? 484 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,181 Speaker 2: story right or not? 485 00:19:32,981 --> 00:19:35,222 Speaker 1: a little bit more choice a little bit more 486 00:19:35,242 --> 00:24:08,805 Speaker 1: choice no-transcript.