Jesus Pete
That's weird, right?
Do you think that guy scratched his own eyes out?
How many hours have you been here staring at this shit drop it?
Duncan and Bo come correct Duncan
but you ever you ever have yourself a
Bit of a snag in the production pipe pipeline a
Snag in the production light, but I'm not often all right
Well, this is gotta follow deaf ears
So
So what happened is supposed to get easier over time
Yeah, well, but I invent shit that I need to do as so here's the
You know there is a video version of the show that is going to be on
the Legion podcast patreon. Yep, and
Here's what I didn't account for is I needed to do an intro
For that I don't I don't need to that's overstating it. I invented an intro that I needed to do
For for the opening of the show because I wanted to do kind of a parody of the true detective
And I've got like I've been working on it and so forth and I realized that at a certain point that I'd I'd been spending all of my free time doing that
That I hadn't actually I
Hadn't actually done the regular audio show
which is not good and so
It's as
organizationally speaking it's not good and at any rate so that is now out the other one dropped like right after
So as you're listening to this episode, we are now officially back on schedule. So
Sorry a bit like it was one of those things of like, oh fuck. Well, let's put all of it out
Also, like it's probably probably we're saying there is gonna be a gap in this season
Don't know if you knew that I didn't I know that when is the gap
And apparently superbowl something oh next Sunday. Yeah, so
Episode five won't be out next Sunday. It'll be out the week after
Week off bitches. I I I did not know that and that makes perfect sense and also I hate it
Anyway, but so alright, so we'll be off a week
But by that point all of the video stuff will be out because that pipelines running smooth now Duncan
Weirdly it will cat because we were a week out of sync. So this will actually weirdly bring us back and almost as if though
We'd always planned it
Almost as if it was never there at all
That was where Shatner wasn't it? Yeah, it was never there at all
Your shot is pretty good. It's it's recognizable as Shatner I'll say that
Yeah, and if you throw the mister in there, that's really what sells it
You think I'm a bloody click-on mister
Anyway, um, hey buddy. Oh, this is Duncan come correct. I'm that's what this is. Yeah, I'm Duncan. He's bow
And have always been and yes, none of us have ever been robots
We never did an episode once where Dermot was part of our
Dude that was as far as concept episodes go it's probably the best yeah, maybe the best I think it was your idea
Yeah, but I think you're the one that leaned into most of the gags on that episode
So it's like all like we'd somehow managed to tie in everything we'd said the week before but we attributed
Whole sections to them. Mm-hmm who rolled with it as well. They're like like yes, I did as we'd
Right through that and a glorious fashion. So it was a yes
It was a very special episode of Duncan and Bo come correct one of those that airs right after school
Yeah, listen
one of those is maybe maybe of
that later
The ex fails it was probably the high-water mark as far as the episodes. Yeah
Yes, yes. Yes
Speaking of hey, do you mind if I go first and do my bad first? Of course always, okay?
Because I mean as and go first not that I would mind. Oh great
I don't mind stepping on people's feelings Duncan
So I am now through episode 20
Of season two of Twin Peaks. Oh, right. You're close. So yeah, so this is kind of my bad
But this is also that segment of episodes where you start to see things
Like the ship is slowly riding itself. Yeah, David Lynch has been told to come back
Right, and it's like oh shit. That's coming home. We got to clean this place up
We got to get rid of where's James been for half this season. God damn it
I got yeah, I got a letter from James. All right. Well, that's as much James as we're gonna have in this episode
What do we all agree?
That a letter vaguely referenced by Donna is as far down the James path as we're willing to go. That's right
Hey, dude
One of those episodes though that I watched because I watched 18 19 and 20 since the last time we recorded and
One of the episodes is the Donna
past the peace stop
And when that when the scene came up, I I genuinely
Laughed very hard. Yeah, our Twin Peaks lore runs deep
Almost as deep as the show like I almost feel like Mark Frost could write a third
Book on the history of Twin Peaks just on the the alternative lore recreated just in our podcast
I like to think that we are the tulpa that
Twin Peaks as a show creator
Anyway, you're you did you did like you're up to episode 20. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so we're getting into you're starting to get you're starting
You're starting to get back into some
Black Lodge territory. Yeah. Oh for sure. Yeah
I mean in fact the last episode was the whole like it was called the what path to the black lodge or journey to the black Lodge
Yeah, so
Yeah, it's like all of that stuff is really fun
agent Cooper is back in uniform and not fucking around in his
you know
Flannel J crew look
Which is fucking look some of season two is great. There are some great stuff in season two
But man, there is some shit
I think the problem is and we covered it then and I think everyone
It's not as if we're breaking you ground here
Everything up until the reveal of Leland Palmer as a killer is
Fucking awesome and up to and including the reveal and his death. Like yes, that may be the last great episode
Season two. Yeah, is the death of Leland Palmer and like ray wise is killing it and it's just nuts and like
Yeah, it's great. It's a terrific episode
I don't think it ever hits that high water market until the very very very end of the season until the until the last episode
Which until David Lynch is about cancel my show. Will you here's a cliffhanger? Yeah
Make a movie that will answer all these questions. Here's a cliffhanger
What come back years later and make a third season 18 hours of prime fucking television to answer all these questions
Here's a cliffhanger. I love David Lynch. Yeah, I really really really do
Yeah, I can't wait to be back in the banquet Del Mibbler and
the bomb
Del Mibbler still one of the great names in entertainment, but yeah, so that's my bad
But I all to say I'm really really enjoying my
Rewatch of it. It's so much fun and I after this. I'm definitely doing
fire walk with me and
You know
Season three. Yeah, like it's I'm in I'm all in on the ride now. So
Where's Annie
Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah Heather Graham, maybe not great on the show
Yeah, she was still quite young. Yeah, I think there's like an early performance and then she went right into Lynch
I mean, that's like but you don't go just right into Lynch unless you're Cal McLaughlin
Well, I'll let you know the only actor who maybe went straight into Lynch and came out smelling of roses. I yeah, but
In many ways McLaughlin is kind of an extension of Lynch and it was willing to be bad. Yeah
Yeah, I recently watched Lynch's June off the back of watching
Villeneuve's June and like you can see
How much Lynch is kind of infatuated with Cal McLaughlin's presence on camera. It's like he's found these
He's found his vessel so to speak and as a result, you know, it does not surprise me that post that
That was just like I need to use him in everything
Which is my good for this week by the way, I
Blue velvet. Yeah, and so I've been on a
That's a great movie. I've been on a weird little kick recently and last week
And it was announced that the Coen Brothers were kind of reuniting as a
And they're coming back with a horror movie and not only the coming back with a horror movie
He basically said in the interview, you know that we were you know, we're going back to our blood simple roots
And I was like, oh blood simple such a fucking good movie. So I watched blood simple. I've had a great week
By the way, I've like I've been solo parent and so every night I've been watching like a proper adult movie
Not like a pornographic movie a proper adult movie
So it balances out all the fucking kids shit that I have to watch with my daughter
And she's in it like dinosaur programs and fucking
Peppa Pig and all that nonsense. So like I come off that and I rocked blood simple one night
And then like I was just I just had a hankering for some blue velvet the following night
I just like this is like what you see when people I understand when people talk about this
The 70s being the kind of high-water mark of like like proper like adult movie
Cinema, you know, I just great stories great storytelling all the rest
I get that and it really really is it's hard to argue you can stack the best of the 70s up against almost any decade
And I think it like you know, there's a there's a head and shoulders quality about that
there are a whole lot of fucking amazing filmmakers that find their voice in the 80s and just hit home runs and
Like you want that you do a double back-to-back bill of
And blood simple and to blue velvet and you're just like this is fucking awesome
the section of your
More the themes I weirdly I always I always kind of think those because they're both kind of they're no water
Noir mysteries and I always kind of pair the two of them together even though
Stylistically, they could be any further apart
And they always kind of get lumped into that weird banner together. So yeah, I revisited blue velvet, which I mean
I still think it like my hauling drive may be right there with it
But I think blood simple is still my favorite. No, it's simple
Blue velvet is my favorite Lynch. I think I think it's the it's the one where
He's he's not when like to
Citeric it's the one where I think he kind of kind of covers that
that idea of
This is the American dream
But and he literally does it in the movie look at the like the the white picket fences and the green grass and all the rest
But just go down a layer down then you'll find a severed ear
You know like there's I think he gets all that I think that one it has maybe my favorite villain performance in a Lynch movie
It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Why Dennis Hopper is fucking terrifying in that movie. Well, it's like really
Fucking terrifying. So yeah, I think I think
And I'll change my mind by tomorrow. What my hauling drive is always there for me is like
Like just this is like a different level of cinema, but in terms of just pure narrative
I think him blue velvet might be my favorite
We've had this conversation recently. I I probably would have agreed with you up until like six months ago
Yeah, and now I'm fire what with me. He's really fucking good man. Like we like
It gets I think
It's one of those ones where time will only ever be kind to that movie
Yeah, I mean it feels like such a perfect expression of Lynch in so many ways
And it's the most horror movie of the movies. He's ever done. Yeah
It's the one where he leans. Well, I thought the whole end of that movie and the and the fucking rail car is is like nightmare fuel
It's shocking shot. I mean even now
It is a shocking scene
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so what do you think?
Which is the better movie blood sample blue velvet?
and
who I think
Here's it. Here's it. Here's where like here's where it gets difficult
No, here's where it gets difficult. You can't answer that because blood samples technically the Coen Brothers first movie
And that's David Lynch. He's what fourth fourth
Already fucking he'd already got all the awards for the elephant man. So it's
If you put a gun to my head and said, which is my favorite is blue velvet
If you ask me what is the better movie as in like a to b to see narrative is blood sample
blood sample is like
Blood sample is the perfect noir movie like see if you're talking about like like people talk about neo noir and like all that sort of stuff
Do I just strip out the neo from that and just as a noir movie is
Is is like I would put that just maybe up there in my top five noir movies ever made
And that's a genre that I love
so
It's that fucking good and it's so unassuming. It's such a simple simple simple movie
It's like
It's so eat like because there's nothing to hide behind in that movie
You should be able to see the cracks and you do not see the cracks and that's what well
You watch that movie and you tell me all these guys are gonna go on and win Oscars and direct like like some
Movies that will define decades and I would believe that just from watching that movie
Yeah, for sure. I can't wait to have them back doing back back doing a gory horror movie
Which kind of feels like like it kind of feels like a nice bookend and a lot of respects because they got there
They got their start way back in the day with Sam Raimi. So
Back at evil dead time. So it's it's kind of cool to see them kind of leaning back into that
It would be nice to see them team up and just have some fun. Yeah, and I mean
Geez, what was the the cowboy anthology the ballad? Oh a but Buster Scruggs. Yeah, yeah Buster Scruggs
Like that movie is just them having a blast. Oh, good. Yeah, terrific
Yeah, yeah, anyway, uh, so where were that was your good? I've done my bad. Where is that it?
Um, I do the other movie that I wanted to mention is another good. I haven't actually seen anything bad. Oh, okay
Revisited matinee Joe Dante. I I keep meaning to go back to that and I don't know
I saw once a year movie for me and it's all it always tends to be after Christmas. Um, I love it
I think it's one of those movies that I've been reveling in cinema. It's just like like that like good old-timey cinema and
It's another one Joe Dante is another one that I think people forget like that run
Of movies and from piranha
through to matinee is just
Yeah, fucking awesome. They're really special like he's yeah
Yeah, all like like like decade like that he's run is is defined some of the decade. Yeah
Oh, yeah, like I grew up those were the movies. I grew up watching and
and like he kind of lost a little bit in the night. He's definitely lost in the 2000s. Um, but
You know, like going back to which matinee's always that one that I go back and I just feel like
This is his this is his showing his love of a particular time in cinema
Well, when it was magic was all like magic and trickery and William Castle and all the rest
Um, I love it performances are awesome as well. So yeah, so I've had a good time in the last week
What was your good? I watched that new mission impossible did reckoning part one
All right, it did not do well commercially. I didn't but it's good
Mission impossible stuff. Like I've really enjoyed that series. Yeah, he's riding the wave now. I think the last
Is it since ghost protocol? I think I think those ones have all been really good the one that he did
I'm not a big fan of the john way one, which I think is the second one. Yeah three. I like a lot
Threes three split pics. I didn't like four and I think five on ones has has been has been great
That previous one to the new one, which I haven't seen yet is as an action movie out. Yeah, like an awesome
Terrific. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that that's how this one is. Um
Even though this is a thing split into two parts or maybe because it's a thing split into two parts at times
It feels a little bloated. Um, but
The stunts are fucking amazing. Like they're they're still the only ones in the game
That are doing these kinds of like real world
Big deal stunts. Yeah, and they look great like the one of him going
I mean everybody's seen it, but it's him doing the motorcycle run off the mountain into the parachute
And it's like that's fucking great. Yeah, like I know that this is probably how he'll die and should
Yeah, before the Scientology documents get get out there. Let's let's let's encapsulate them as we remember them as a guy who
Like to take like like insane risks that I'm surprised like at this stage. I'm surprised studio's a little bit
I'm surprised. There's not a sea of lawyers going like that. No
Well, but he's the producer also and I think that's
What buys him the like I'm I'm gonna fucking do this
And they're like, well, we
There are plenty of meetings. I'm sure he has
Where they strongly suggest that he he does. Yeah, he stops and he's just like, I'm you know, hey, I'm gonna do it
he says
But it's also become a cartoon weasel. Yeah a little bit a little but isn't that
Really what his vibe
Oh god. Yeah. Yeah, but it is I I really enjoyed the movie as much as I did a lot of the others
They bring uh, haley atwell into the mix and she's really fun
And yeah, it's just good. Like they're good fucking movies. They're they're funny at times and the action is great and the stunts are kind of mind blowing
And it it's what those movies ought to be
You know that these they're these just great spectacle films and uh, and they deliver
You know and like the plot is stupid
In a way that most of them are
Yeah, and and so it's like, yeah, yeah, fine. Get to this stuff. Like just just explain it
Like I say this all the time in these movies where I just need somebody periodically to be like, all right dummies. Here's what's happening
We have to go get this key
Which we have a counterfeit one. Yeah, you understand it. That means fake
And we're gonna go get swap it for the real one
And so that's the next one minutes of the movie. All right, so as always, is it always the death star thing?
Isn't it? It's always like that. There's this code, but it's locked in the secure building. Yes
like under under like under like 17 000 tons of
Of gravel and cement and there's only one way in and I'm thinking to myself. Well, that's your weakness there
like
Like like no, it's a secure room
But we'll have air vents and I'm like, well, there's there's your entry point right there
Who invented the shrimp? Yeah, let's get the sneakers on the case and they'll tell you they'll give you a penetration report
You need to close that vent. That's my city. Poitiers should be like it telling it. Well, you know, um
One one other addendum and then we'll actually start talking about the fucking show that we're
building a show around
So I gotta tell you I've for for some crazy reason
Uh, I've I've been watching that
recent
update of the stand
That was like the 10 episode. Oh, yeah, that came out to next to no fanfare. Oh, sure
Is
Is it bad? I'm halfway. It's the thing is it's not terrible
And that's why it's it's more frustrating because there are moments that are really really good
But there are just as many moments. They're like, oh, what the fuck are you doing?
This is stupid. Also, where's trash can man? You're not gonna have a trash can man. What the fuck are you talking about?
Um, did you not see pom diddy pom diddy?
Um, met fruer on the four wheeler
Uh, he has not shown up yet in the show and that's disappointing. Um, it gets something
Things really right about what makes the stand kind of interesting and it it
Also moves the chronology around within the episodes
So like like at the very beginning the very first episode the opening scene is herald lauder
While they're already in boulder as they're on the body crew
But is that the is that a deliberate choice in or
They're doing lots of flashbacks and right and and so the thing that they're doing that I think is actually kind of smart
Is you're getting these scenes from kind of the early days of the pandemic
Yeah, and and then jumping forward. So you're kind of telling
Both halves of the book concurrently. Yeah, you know and um, so I like that impulse
but it also
like they just
No version of the stand has yet nailed the character herald lauder who's integral to the story
Yeah, and both times they'd air they've aired on the side of greasy weirdo
And it's just like I understand that he's kind of a nerd and he's kind of pimply and gross and all that stuff
Even in the book, but it's like man
Making this character this cartoonish
Is ruining the vibe of the show and but alexander sarsgard is the is randall flag
I see he is and really like him. I I really like him as well. I'm like the fucking northman
showing up as the walk-in dude and i'm down for it
and
There are moments when he's on screen that you're like fuck
He is good at this. He is good at being a villain, but um, yeah, it's it's it's frustrating
It's a frustrating watch and i'm gonna keep doing it because i i want to see how where they get with it
You know, like do you do the hand of god coming down like how do you do the the weirdest ending in
steve king's library?
Where it's literally god intervening
Probably not the way that you think
I at that point they're just like oh and by the way, there's a trash can man
Oh, you got me the stand
Um, all right. Hey, you want to talk about this show?
Yeah, let's let's talk about episode three. Okay, so here we go
um, this is uh written and directed by issa lopez along with
uh, alan page is the other writer on this who um
Has done some like some walking dead stuff and did the movie
Uh babble was a consulting. Oh, yeah
A script consultant something. Uh, but has has written handful of stuff nothing that is going to knock your socks off
Um shining girls
Hello, denny come and play with us. It's forever and ever and ever it's just about the twins
Yep
That's the spin-off that we always wanted to never go. It's the the last voyage of the demeanor
for the shining
Uh, it's just a dad chopping them up and putting them in a cupboard. Um
Let's keep it tidy. No, uh, I don't know what that is. Um
It's charles grady obviously
Um, but uh, yeah, so uh, issa lopez, you know, again the driving force behind all of this. Yeah, and um
Uh, yeah, so we're gonna start off
Uh with navarro
Showing up and that we're in in a flashback. We begin. Yeah, this is seven years before
Yeah, and it's the first time that navarro meets annie k is what we're saying
uh, she shows up to arrest her or serve her or something and
Uh, annie k is like, yeah, yeah, fine. Come on in. Uh, you can arrest me in a second
I kind of I got some shit to do and she hears this woman screaming from outside and it's like
What the fuck is going on in here?
And it as it happens duncan
It is actually a uh, a midwifery a baby hatchery of some sort. We found out in the last episode that that's what she did
Is the living yes in between being an activist. She was a midwife. So
And and annie k kind of puts navarro to work
Like hey get us some hot towels and and so forth and navarro kind of sits back and watches as this drama unfolds
Where annie k is uh overseeing the birth of this child the child is born in you know a tub
And yeah, and they pulled the baby out and the baby's not breathing
And so we see uh them like doing a little you know, baby cpr
To stay in alive, of course, you know
That's how you do it. That's the timing. Yeah
And the baby comes back to life
And the mother is like what's wrong with my baby? Oh, you saved the annie k your miracle
As someone who has been through that experience twice the the i'll tell you right now the longest
Pause in the world is from the point that the baby is born to the first cry
And my first child did it relatively quick my second child there. It felt like an eternity before she cried and
The only problem was when she started crying she didn't stop for like three hours
So we're kind of like what we think you broke her baby. Um going going undo what you just did there
But yeah, like so like but she gets caught up in this it's not that there's a there's a kind of
And it's not the first time it happens in this episode. There's a real kind of mid samar
sort of thing going on here where there's chanting and community and
You've got to remember navarro is part of this culture. We're going to get more information on this later on
fact actually this episode heavily leans into the fact that she's kind of straddling two worlds this world of her heritage and this world of
Being someone that has traveled the world and fought wars and all the rest and is coming back as a police officer
separate from her community
But she is like fully engrossed in this also made me realize bow that if you ever want to get an arrest warrant deliver a baby
Yeah, that's why I keep on no one's arresting you after that you're like look what I did
You're gonna put the coughs a minute and they're like get out of here. Yeah
I'm a vassaline covered baby with me at all
Can't talk now officer
And at the at the back end of all this annie k kind of sticks out her wrist is like all right now you can cuff me and
Uh, which is a pretty nice introduction to like annie k being
This kind of wonder woman right like she's an activist and helping birth children and all this stuff. She's kind of you know
A perfect lady. Uh, and I have a theory. I want to update my theory
I think I wasn't far off my theory by the way, but I'm now I'm now doubling down
My new update on my theory is um in this episode
There is another stillborn baby
Do we think that annie was
investigating
stillborn babies as he
Sight effect of the mining work
And she maybe got a little bit too close to the truth
and as a result was
Shushed because I don't I'll stress this right now. We're going to talk about the very end of this episode at the end of this episode
Um, and I don't think that's what
snuffs her out
Okay screaming you here at the end of this episode. I don't think it's hard dying because it doesn't make sense when we get to
Yeah, yeah, yeah
The end of a wreck
There is a bit of a kid, uh, you know, this was my movie and sharp Heather. Um
There is a I could a little a little bit of that but um, yeah, I think
There's a lot of talk about health problems specifically health problems in this episode and
stillborn children
And this kid came out and didn't come out breathing
And she kind of was there to save the day that makes me wonder if there's a wee pattern going here which escalates
um the veracity of which she is um perpetrating her
Environmental pursuits, let's put it that way. Gotcha. Okay
Uh, all right. So then we jump back to the present. It is december 22nd now. Yes, fifth day of night
And we get a tip of the hat to jaws at the beginning of this episode
Where hawks and a bunch of good ol boys have gone out on the ice and hawks is doing a real
We're gonna search every hen house out house
And our fugitive is wearing a pink parka
Uh, but it's a real like a combination of that and like I said the jaws thing of a bunch of local yokels going out to
Oh, yeah, this doesn't look like this this ends up exactly by the once again by later on in this episode
This ends up exactly how you think it's gonna end up
With jody fuster real pissed about it. Um, yeah
Yeah, so they're all going out on the ice to hunt for clark who is missing
Uh one by the way, one of the deputies agent cooper
Well done is alopeas. I get it. Oh, she's she's she's just she's having a fucking ball and I love it
And navarro
Like confronts hawks. It is like hey, hey, hey tell these fucking morons that we've got to take clark alive
Yeah, you know because we need him alive and hawks is like do we do do it though? Yeah, we actually need them alive though. Um
Yeah, it's uh
It does like I like I am so like not sure about hank
Like even more so in this episode like I am now like I I had at that, you know, he was like
I still think he's in the pocket of the mine, right? I think that's like that's like like for sure
But I'm maybe starting to lean more towards your theory of him just being a bit of an idiot
Yeah, I think he's a useful idiot. I think that's the the kind of character he is. Um
Speaking of danvers jody foster is trying to get him on the radio and isn't getting any answer
Which of course makes her quite happy
um, oh, oh
Just a quick note, uh, so I'll remember it later
Um before we cut to credits in this scene with danvers
There is a moment where navarro finds like an orange that's been left behind
Yeah, so these guys have arrived with a pile of oranges, which I'm sure there's like some like seeing the credit sequence
There's orange peel in oranges. So I'm sure that that means something but with the connection to scurvy
I don't know what that might be
Yeah, unsure yet, but it comes up again later. But yeah, so then back to danvers who's trying to raise hawks on the radio
No luck there
Uh, and then pete, uh, points out that hey all the files from the trailer that they found in in the nook
Um are in
Yeah, like danvers is like looking for a fight here. Like she's like she's like
She can't get a hand on the phone
Which is like clearly an oida and the hank sun's there. So, you know pete
Pete's gonna get a lot of kind of well
Why where did you put them and he's like in the evidence room?
So, why did you put the evidence in the evidence room? Like yeah, it's disgusting in there dr. Lecter. We gotta move to another room
Also, i'm gonna need you to dig a hole and then
Dig another hole to put the dirt in from the first hole and then you put the dirt from the second hole in the first hole
You understand what i'm saying
She says like can you like here's like annie's phone. Can you like hack the phone and he's like what means you think I can hack a phone?
She's like you're in your 30s. You've got friends go and do it
Yeah, that's part of the conversation too where she's like i'm gonna need you to make a transfer for navarro into our unit
Don't worry about it. It's just a one-time thing
Uh, but yeah the the moment where she asked him to hack the phone. I thought was really funny
Yeah, but also he's he's gonna kick back on this. So he's basically
He's gonna he's gonna he's gonna finally get us a little bit
I fucking love this coming up here
But he's he's gonna kind of try and pry into
What is that? What was the reason that navarro was moved out of the force? Why were they no longer working together?
Yeah, I I really like this thing and all it goes back to way back when we talked about um
The quote at the beginning of the first episode of the unreliable narrator in here
We're getting a very clear example of this of jody foster
Being the unreliable narrator for pete and it's also that this is vintage true detective. Yeah
Right, this is season one. This is the like they shoot the
The the fucking met dealer in the head and then play it off as something else happened with this great story
Where they're all congratulated and all the rest even though
Your interior actually fucking destroyed their case and their friendship or like season two the guns shoot out
That's really that's refactored when they tell it back to the police for how that happened
In season three the majority of season three
like is kind of
You know like as it's kind of told through that that lens as well
And we get this here and basically they were partners, which we kind of thought they were
um
But they were on this this case the
What was it the william wheeler? Yeah wheeler case and she says listen this guy wheeler
He beat the shit out of his wife repeatedly
But we couldn't do anything because whenever we went there
He would flash this kind of sanctum on his smile on his face a base that said she's fallen down the stairs or fallen on the
Is or you know bought a cupboard or whatever and they knew they knew that without her testimony nothing could happen
And it would you know it was these things only end one way
And it ended exactly the way they thought it was gonna
With them being called out to the scene of a crime to arrive and find that
You know he has killed her the beauty of this scene is that we she is telling you the version
Verbally and we are seeing what actually happened or once again
Maybe her memory of what happened, but basically what she says is when we arrived there she was dead and he had killed himself
So like a kind of murder suicide sort of thing. Um, but what we see
Is wheeler is in his chair kind of laughing. I think he's is he not singing that song from the beginning? Yeah, he's whistling
Yeah, yeah, but is he is he not singing? Is he not whistle and twisting shout? I couldn't quite place it
I don't think it's twist and shout. I'll tell you what all all fact check us, but yeah going
so he's whistling something to come in and basically
We see the two of them standing together interestingly enough. We don't see
Who killed him?
But what we do see is if you if you pay close attention
It looks like Danvers starts to lower gun when she sees the body and it looks like Navarro tense is up
and knowing what their personalities are like
And how their relationship fractured after this the assumption would be and I'm all for true detective doing a 180 and pulling the rug out from under my feet
and show me it was other way around but kind of looks like Navarro may have put this guy down and
you know
Danvers
Couldn't work with her after that because she'd seen a different side of her and then got transferred out
was really interested about this as well as it looks like
Hank may have buried
Hank knows the answer to this. Hank knows there's there's more going on here
Um, and maybe that's why he's still there
Because he's a dick. He's an incompetent cop
But maybe he's been kicked around because he's that useful idiot. We said but he's also holding on to this secret
Which is why he'd like squares up to Danvers so much
Because you got to think if she shot him in the head with her gun
That's her bullet
So even if he staged the crime took another way
He would have had to have her gun shoot the bullet unless the evidence was tampered with and you need someone else to tamper with that
Delightly going to be Hank
so
Makes me wonder bow makes me wonder. Yeah
Yeah, it it's really an interesting and kind of fun scene
Yeah, um
And but it's also why they would end up you can imagine like from a Danvers point of view is someone who is
I mean has a temper but she does kind of
She's the alpha in the situation to have your partner fly off the rails and do something so reckless as that
Like egregiously break the law. She's all for blurring the lines
She's gonna try and do it once or twice in this episode
But like to like basically cold-blooded
cold-blooded murdered someone
You can see why Danvers would be like I can't work with you anymore. I don't want to you know, obviously
We've got a relationship. So I don't want you off the force, but you can't work in the same
You can't work in the same precinct as me. So
and transfers are out
Um, yeah, so and as Pete is leaving after this conversation
Do you think Pete bought it because I like I kind of think he was like, um, I I think
Not entirely. Yeah, because I think he understands that sometimes she just lies to him. Yeah
Like like, you know Danvers is many things but one one thing one of those things
Is that if she believes that she's doing a thing for the right reason, yeah, she'll do some kind of horrible shit
Yeah, uh, but we'll
I've had a character revelation about her as well. So we'll we'll get to that in a minute
But anyway, so yeah, he's taken off and Danvers is like, I'm gonna need you to tell your dad to get rid of those
hillbilly friends or I'm calling immigration on his mail order bride. Yeah, which is
Yeah, it's also such a fucking thing. Like she can see
Peter's face. Yeah as well
Like, you know, I mean, he's got he's got like a wealth on the side of his face, right?
And she knows where that's come from and she's putting them
Back in the position of
Being her mouthpiece to
His dad
Well, she's not doing him any favors at all. No, it's a real fucked up thing to do. Yeah. Yeah, it's such a dick move
Yeah, well, yeah, but that's kind of
Like Danvers is not a bad person
But she does really petty shit
Yeah
It's ownership, isn't it? Yeah, really. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's her
Like I'm gonna have my way and I'm gonna manipulate the people around me
Because I'm doing what's right for them or best for them
Whether they want me to do that or not, you know, I mean it goes back to the like, uh,
You know her daughter-in-law
Are well Pete's wife being like, you know, save your favor your favors for your own family
Yeah, like we're fucking around in everybody else's business, but
Anyway, this is where we go to Navarro who's out on the ice and she's you know, looking for Clark or something
And it just tosses the orange
And wouldn't you know it Duncan?
Someone or something in the dark
Uh bounces it right back at her. So this is the shining. Yeah
Like this is like straight up some shining shit, right? Yeah. Um, but I also wonder if
I've got I've also got a theory on the varro, right as well. Um
like we don't know
if
We don't know if something rolls it back or if she just loses track
Like she is like of all the people she's the one that's
Everything supernatural that's happened in the shows only happened to her by herself
Okay. All right. Yeah, I'm with you and especially with the history in her family and I think I think her and her sister
Both have the same affliction. I just think they view it differently
Yeah, and if we are talking about a show that's that's toying with the ideas about unreliable narrators
That would certainly fit as well. That's how you that's how you do. What's interesting about this one is
I think
Like her interactions with rose
I think have kind of focused
I think she's I think she's in part she has a bit of
mental health issues, but I also think rose their friendship their kinship
Is because I think rose sees in her that she has the ability to
potentially commune across the void because holding
The kid this is I we think this is danvers kid
um
Like holding up like basically appears in front of her and he seemingly has rolled this orange
And then runs away. She tries to chase after him. She slips on the ice
Like basically knocks herself out and then wakes up
And the gulf war in afghanistan, maybe wherever she served
She wakes up there and holding is there as well and holding is speaking backwards
Like right out of fucking twin beaks, you know, I mean it's like, you know, they're like, but always he's speaking backwards
The writing on his jammies is backwards his pajamas. They're writing the text is all backwards as well
So i'm like what we're fucking doing here. Um, and i'm i'm most likely
Going to be wrong on this one. What I think he says is let's rock
Um, he doesn't say that he doesn't say that. Yeah, but um, he says something
He says tell my mom and then he says something. I think it cuts right. We
Intentionally cannot hear what comes after tell my mommy
Well, he says he says listen tell my mom, which is interesting because the woman whose head
Was like fucking exploded in that scene. She also went up to him said listen
Right and then there's a later scene in this episode where
when she's talking about
What how she fills her time up she says that she prays and we'll get into that scene later on but danvers
Can it almost ridicules her a little bit and she says oh you talk to god and she says i don't talk to god i listen
so this idea of listening to
the dead maybe
As an as is like something that's kind of maybe circling navarro
Which once again would explain why all the supernatural shit is happening to her but she wakes up on the ice
With a she has a bump in the head
And as she gets up her phone's fucking going and this is this is danvers basically saying i have 19 boxes
of shit
And there ain't no way i'm looking at it myself. So get your ass to mars. Yeah, so she heads back to the the station
and
They basically are sorting through the evidence and arranging it and rearranging it and
Linking things together. It's all you know sort of a montage sort of thing
Also missing like they're missing a great opportunity for um a little bit of a kind of montage
bike scene from
TV's it
See it's all right. It's all right. See it's all right
It certainly should be like putting out the photos all these murdered people
Like all around just like high-fiving you're like tapping each other on the back like pretending to be a bull
Charge a little
This episode would have fucking leveled up bo
But yeah, like they they're setting this up and they're working their way around and after a bit of time we're working their way around
I think they realized the they actually don't really have anything
And this is where we you know, I really don't they just have a lot of pictures
Which i've always wondered how like that's how my brain would work if I had everything like down there. I would just be like
photos
I see lots of photographs
um
but
but but but um
whilst they're doing this
Danvers weirdly with our connection to the kids spots a photograph
we are
Any keys we have an Ariana Ariana Grandi top and she's like ah, so this one must have been taken after 2016
And she's like how do you know that and she's like well she released that album in 2016 and i'm like
Danvers listen to Ariana Grandi like
She's she's like Holmes where she knows like the specific color of ash. Yeah, you know
Well clearly that is uh rich harry blend uh dr. Lecter
I do I do like well well why they're like while they're doing this thing here
She keeps like danvers keeps doing the
Ask the question
Yeah, and and she's like i'm not playing this fucking she can just tell navarro's lived through this before
Like i'm not playing this fucking dr. Lecter bullshit with you is
Or are rather jody fosters socks the most comfortable looking socks you've ever seen
Dear god almighty i wanted a pair um i mean i know that's a weird thing to notice in this scene
But they're as they're kind of barefoot moving around the evidence. I was like man those look warm
Yeah, i like i looked down at my very comfy slippers and realized how inadequate they were. Yeah, um
Yeah, they look really comfy. But the so basically they have this photo of our kind of 2016
Which would put her in the timeline on the run-up to her death and also when
Approximately she would have been seeing clock. Um
So they have that and then they start they're like right. We know she's got blue in her hair at this point
She died her hair blue
so let's start looking for photographs where she's got blue here and
She's in photos with clock and they start piecing this together and then they come across one photo where
It's not a selfie. Someone is taking it from a distance and like someone knew about this relationship
So let's continue doing it and then it's navarro that steps up here
navarro gets one and she notices there's a blue smudge
A specific kind of blue smudge very somewhat of the hair color and she's like son of a fucking bitch
um
And then they go off like so they go off
We have to uh, also address duncan the moment where
Pete shows up. Yeah, and pokes his head in and
Uh, navarro is like you better run peat
uh, and uh when
Uh, he finally takes off
of
Danvers is like, hey quit making jokes about me robbing the cradle and shit around peat. Uh, i'm trying to keep that iron in the fire
Uh, do we think do we do it like see this question do we think she is?
Do we think she's interested that way in them? I think maybe
I'm leaning the other way. I'm leaning the this is the son I lost
And he happens to be in the same profession as me. So i'm guiding him
But I also would not argue with anyone that says serial shaggard danvers strike it again
Well, I like the fact that
At one point jody foster is like look, uh, you know, this is some it's later on when she's talking about being on tender
And she says well, I don't fuck where I eat and danvers are uh, navarro is like you mean any more
Yeah, because also like also your boss was here like a night ago and you slept with him right and she's like keep that quiet
Nobody knows about me fucking dr. Who and she's like everybody knows that you're fucking dr. Who
I mean first you're constantly humming the song from the show. Yeah
You said he's like a a TARDIS bigger on the outside
of
She wants to play with his Dalek
Right, right that you had uh a sonic screwdriver of your own with him. Yeah, and
She's like nobody knows about that. She's like everybody knows about that
And but then they get around to asking the question of like well, okay speaking of secret relationships
Why did any k?
Keep the relationship with clark secret
What what what about that was a problem?
And uh, so then yeah, we go from navarro
Uh are from them at the station to them at navarro's uh friend susan
Yeah, who is the the one who died ani's hair. She's uh, she's uh work from her own home hairdresser. Yes
And navarro is gonna ask her about the question and in a scene that kind of tells you that
Danvers isn't all bad and all prickly
Yeah, and also I think she's like inherently practically this is how you know that these two work together for a while
Because the instantly like she instantly knows listen navarro is the one that has a relationship here
She's the one that's going to get the answers out here
Like I need to make myself useful how I make myself useful is interacting with kids
Which she apparently is really good at which is by links back to that holding things
She lost a kid about this kid's age
Um
And she knows all like she's kept in tune with all this
Kind of like like like all the names all these cartoon characters and all the rest and she noticed that this kid's wearing a
A particular cartoon unicorn and she knows all about that. So she kind of takes the kid away
So navarro can question come with me little girl. We're gonna make some mac and cheese
It's all right. I got you now. It's all right
I got you
And uh, well, and then navarro has her talk with susan and and susan reveals some actually
Genuinely interesting information. She moves the case forward for us
And she was like, yeah, I used to cut hair up at salol
And annie wanted to go with me and weird detail it kept insisting is how she yeah weird detail
Almost as almost as if almost as if she wanted to make a connection there to find it. Maybe if mining
I don't know mining practices could contribute to stillbirths from a scientist bow from a fucking scientist bow
And uh, that's where she meets clark
Yeah, and he was immediately fixated on the spiral tat that she had and we confirmed it was that tattoo in particular
We also found out where the idea came from from the spiral tat. Yeah, she dreamed it Duncan
She dreamed it and the dream stopped when she got the tattoo
Literally how I buy things like I I'm in my bed and I've said this before like the the one that was the most kind of
prominent for I just recording dream for about the best part of two months
circa 2005
Um, and it was of the ending of the movie the last broadcast and I bought the
The vhs of the last broadcast because it wasn't a dv at the time. I bought an extra rental version of it
Um
From like a blockbuster and the di bought it. I stopped dreaming about it. Oh, wow. That's interesting
It has happened with other things like small purchases. Nothing like extravagant like a Ferrari or anything like that
But like I'll have a you or a child
um
But there will be occasions where I'll have recording dreams about a movie or
Like something I've read like a book that I read years ago like when I was at school
I found this in as a bias not thinking about
Huh, that's interesting. Yeah, I don't know how I would solve that like all my recurring dreams are about varieties of cookie
And which is really the best bake the cookies, but I guess I guess I should uh, you know snickerdoodles on my mind
Um, yeah, like so soon as she says she got this tattooed on her the dreams stopped
But our buddy clark was a little obsessed with it
Well in navarro asked her like hey was he like a freak and she was like yeah
I mean he was weird and he was quiet
But he really was into annie and he was a nice guy
Yeah, so at this point he hadn't went cray-cray right
and she also mentions that there's um
A guy named oliver
Yeah, I know where she's like yeah, I was dating someone from up there. That's all of our whatever they were like
I think is his name. Yeah, they're like there's
Who and she was like, oh, yeah, he left
Actually, he left just before annie died
And we're like, uh-huh and they're like well, so where the fuck is this guy?
Yeah, and they're like and and susan's like, oh, he's just out on the eye somewhere now. He doesn't want to be found
and
uh, and then one last tidbit
Is uh, she's like, you know, I've mentioned this before I called and left an anonymous tip
about clark
and
uh, also by the way, it was so weird that annie was
Always trying to keep this secret
Yeah, so annie always trying to keep it secret right not clark. It was annie who was very much
Trying to keep all of this on the down low
And so the danvers and navarro are are then headed back and yeah, but also navarro was
So fucking pissed off because she's like that hank suppressed us
Yeah, right and and they're arguing about like well, why did he bury the rapport? What was in it for him?
and this is where
danvers drops that she's on tender
Yeah
As you do yeah, she tries she tries to create some small talk and it's
Like she asks if she's still fucking the guy with the dogs
she basically
um
And then i was like that and she's like you still sleeping with taking dr. Who and she's like, no
I don't fucking
the shit where I eat
She's like anymore. Yeah, we get all this stuff that comes out here
But this is where I was starting to think hank is a useful idiot. Yeah, well, and I was like that the mind just said suppress that
yeah
Oh for sure and and uh, this is also the moment you talked about earlier where
Um navarro talks about how she prays and listens. Yeah, and she specifically says that she listens
um, but then she gets super goth
And is like you ever just want to disappear just open the door and start walking and
Danvers is like what no
What are you crazy?
And she's like no no not like I like I say the way which by the way is exactly what our sister does later on in this episode
Yes walks out nice. So I think I think navarro has a version of what our sister has
Yeah, I I think that's probably a good call
um
Oh, so we go back to god man
There are like three scenes of this show uh, or this episode that I dearly love and one is coming up
so
Pete is watching over the slowly thawing pile of bodies
still and and
John hog shows up and seems like he's trying to make a little bit of peace here
And it's like handing over some ice skates he found for Pete's kid
yeah, and
Just as this like nice moment between father and son is going down
Income danvers and navarro like rolling in yeah to beat the band and yeah, and navarro comes in fucking hot
immediately gets in his face about like
How did you followed up on the why didn't you follow up on this phone call that you got you got an anonymous report?
and you did nothing with it and
uh
You know so they're arguing back and forth danvers gets in between them
Yeah, danvers basically shuts down navarro. Then danvers goes in on hank. This scene's fucking amazing
In short is just like
just
Just do your fucking job. All right. Yeah, and uh
Then hogs fires back about like stop trying to mrs. Robinson. Pete
Yeah, and then she just throws her drink on him. She throws a cup of hot coffee in his face. Yeah, and
So hogs leaves at that point
navarro is now pissed off because
Uh danvers didn't do more to him for this breach
Well, she says she says if you don't get your if you don't get your
Hunter friends off the ice. I'm gonna bring you up in negligence. Yeah, right and
Uh, but navarro is pissed about that and she storms off
And then Pete's like hey, who is who is mrs. Robinson? Yeah
I don't have a clue for this one also on top of this as well
In that scene with pete and
Hank pete says to hank. Do you know what happened with that wheeler case?
Yeah, like she like you can tell he knows something
Yeah from the way he acts and this one
So I think we probably will get something
In the next three episodes that shows because that's what we do will show the split up
For the kind of fallout of the the wheeler case and how essentially hank played into that. Um, but yeah, like, um
This is the second time hank's been warned about getting these militia friends off the ice
And um the next time we see these militia friends everything has gone as we would say in the uk peak tong
rhyming slown for wrong
We would say tits up here in the states. Yeah tits up tits me gee. Um, so
Uh when in rumble, so this is where pete pitches, which I think is a great idea. I think like pete. I think is secretly
Maybe the best character
As far as a human being like he's the most put together person. Yeah. Well, I also think pete's a complete. I think pete lets everyone walk over him
Yeah, I guess that's even his wife later on his wife walks over him. I think he's the only one that is
Kind of determined to be a good guy. Yeah. Yeah. So like he's the wholesome one
He's the one that the system he's the only cop that the system hasn't broken yet
Mm-hmm. Yeah, he's certainly not cynical like he is not a cynical bone in his body
Will be by the end when he realizes his wife's heads in a box. Um, john does got the upper handbook. Um, so
Don't open the box dr. Elector
You might find it delicious
but yeah, like so
He like he is the fact he is not picking up any of the conversation and comment
The fact he isn't he's so naive that he doesn't understand everyone's basically saying dan versus a cougar
Right. She wants to fuck you. She wants to fuck your young hot body
of
But he he's like, hey, I've got some bad news for you
Uh, the forensic examiner isn't going to be able to make it because all these storms happening
Uh, he's like, but I've got an idea and she's like, all right hit me
He's like, well, I've got a buddy of mine
That's a veterinarian. I think is he's cousin. It turns out to be his cousin. He doesn't introduce him like that
Which I think is very funny that he's like, I've got I know someone who's a veterinarian that's like, well, this is my cousin
um
but
Dan versus like I really really thoroughly hate this idea
But also I have no choice. So get your weird vet buddy in here
And uh, so then we go back to navara being out on the ice and very quickly
Finds kovic her her uh, man friend. Yeah, her big
Alaskan beef. Yeah
Out there just oil it himself on the ice. Um, dude
We get an honest to goodness quit pro quo Clarice. Well, let's we literally get silence to the lambs in this. Yes
I fucking love it. Yes. She because uh, navara is like, hey, I'm looking for oliver to god
Do you know where he is and he's like, yeah, I guess I'll ask around
But if I do
You've got to do something for me quit pro quo navarro
You have to tell me something about yourself, which is again the silence of the lambs like yeah
Tell me something about you navarro
So tell me is your sister still screaming?
um
Well, he basically asked about her mum. Yeah, this is
I don't know how I like this like
I feel for big sexy fucking hunk man, right because he clearly does not want to be in the friend zone, right?
And he's essentially emotionally blackmailing her
to learn about her
As like some sort of currency that well if I know more about or maybe we can grow closer
When he is not picking up that navarro isn't really interested in that
Yeah, he's trying to force them into a relationship. She does not want yes
She wants to fuck him and and you know be friendly with him, but yes
That's it and he's like he also thinks this is going to make them closer together by asking about his mum
Her mum, which is like maybe the most painful experience of her life. Let me just it's like tell me about the mother
It's like like full-on fucking trauma central
um
But you get you get the story about essentially the but the broken home that she grew up in the horrific broken home, which
On one hand you have a mother who there's a severe
mental health problems and a father who was an alcoholic
like a
Fucking quasi child abuser
um
and this is the world that she grew up in but also
because of that she didn't
Because of that she's kind of this is a straddle into the two
What olds that was talking about and that all the stuff that would have given her her
Heritage or well alaskan her her mother was the victim of a an unsolved murder
Well, yeah, we're gonna get to that
Um, we're gonna get that's why she became a cop. Well, right
I mean in in that this is the point where she's like, you know, she never told me my uh inubiak name
Well, this is it. But she never like she knows she's so this whole connection to this place that she's at
This isn't like that. She's there's a part of her that has become this is why she is the protector
Of all these women
You know, I mean all these ennis women like that she sees being beaten
Murdered with no interest and all the rest because her mother was one
Right. Yeah. Yeah for sure
um
so
So like but for a reason big big sexy fishermen's like that. I'm so getting it wet later on
Um, and by that he means sticking his rod in the water to fish. Um, because you get none of that
So, yeah, he got his answer about the mom and and promises to check into oliver to gawk
Um, we cut over to lia
Who we have not really seen in this episode yet
And she's meeting up with her girlfriend at an anti-mine rally
That seems to be hosted by the inubiak locals
Yes, and it's a real like moment of awakening for lia where she's kind of surrounded by native people
Who are talking about defending the land and chanting we were here first and
um, like it's a real like philosophical shift for her
Is she walks in and someone says you not the
The chief's daughter and she's like i'm i'm really sorry. She's like no, no, no, all are welcome
Like although like there's like there's no hate here at all all are welcome. Um, so she gets kind of indoctrinated into their
group. Um
I'm kind of going back on the
I thought danvers was being
Like kind of a little bit racist in the previous episode
and I think in this episode I think
I think we realize that the annie kee case actually has stuck with her quite a bit
I I think she sees her
Adopted daughter starting to manifest specific the lines on her chin
I think it's as the scene is interspersed with like her looking at crime photos, but it's the lines on her chin and
The environmental activism and all the rest is basically fulfilling
Fulfilling the prophecy of becoming the next annie kee
Yeah, and I I think that makes that some of the shit that she does which is really
Like short-sighted and kind of closed-minded but also
Understandable because it goes back to her saying if you want to know what killed
Annie
Ennis killed annie like nobody was ever going to solve that. Yeah, and that as you said, this is what she is
This is what danvers is seeing ahead of lia. Yeah
She she's seen the other side of it
Same with it the you know the making the sex video with her schoolmate
Like like it's like, you know, it was just a bit of fun and all the rest
Danvers has clearly come across cases before where that stuff goes on the internet or she knows how that story ends
So she's looking beyond that and as a result it's kind of almost minority of report
Kind of
You're punishing her for something that hasn't happened by essentially extrapolating by this this could go to this could go to this
And then you're fucked or you're dead. Well, I mean that's the whole scene of her freaking out about
lia talking to the grandmother and all that are just like
Stay away from this not because she wants to like rob her of her culture
But because the way she sees it
Yes, her culture is a high-risk group
For a crime and that's how she's processing is how do I keep you safe?
And that is such a well-written character. Yeah, such a well-written and like it's rolling out
So like I said in the previous episode a particular view on her but in this episode
it softened a little bit in between the huge amounts of manipulation and um
I will get in a minute where she just clearly asks a vet to
Like break the law. Oh, I love it so much. It's my favorite thing in the whole episode
of
Yeah, but all right, but to finish this conversation
We were having about the the previous scene like yeah, lia comes home and is changing into the like rally shirt
Danvers sees her changing
And it that's the point where she grabs her and is like wash that shit off your face
and and yeah, and and it's a moment where
As a viewer you understand like oh she is
She's trying to protect her like it's fucked up what she's doing
But it's I also understand it. Yeah, uh, which as you said is a sign of a great character when you're like
I don't agree with her. Yeah in in the moment, but I agree with her as a
parental figure, you know, yeah, she's a real she's a real person. You're right. People behave like that. So, yeah
um
So navarro is leaving covix and this is where she sees
Uh, the boy on the ice and has the vision with the kid with the polar bear with the one eye
Under his arm and the listen till you need to tell my mommy something
And then she wakes up because uh, her sister is having a good old-fashioned freak out
After leaving the diner
Um, and she immediately finds her I guess she's like, I know you which I thought was a little bit of a
All right, fine. You know the writing on that was like, uh, that's a little too cool
Also, like the coolest set piece ever. This is the frozen lake. This is the boat that's just
This is this is the fucking terror. There's just a boat frozen in the ice and that's where she goes to sit
yeah, and
You know, they hug and cry and and julie admits like, you know, sometimes I think bad stuff sometimes
And she's like, I know and you know, um, so that's really kind of it
for that scene
Yeah, I think I think that's going to come ahead. I think the
Something bad's going to happen to the sister. I think yeah
There's a foreboding nature of that where she's just not going to be there in time to save for the next time
Or navarro does something to sacrifice herself for her sister. Yes, that could also I could see that
um
All right, so the pete gets home
Tries to slip into bed, but immediately knocks over a light because he's god damn it
Look, uh, look, he's got too much hawks in him to ever
Fully succeed at being sneaky. Um, but then he checks in on the baby and
His wife is like, hey, I'm gonna go ahead and get up because I've got a test today anyway
and uh, there there's a whole conversation about
Yeah, this is to me the the bit where I realized that
Everyone bosses pete. Yeah
because she says a comment which
I know
it's probably
It comes from a nice place
But she's like you're you're a different person and he's like
No, I'm I was always a police officer and she's like no no the person I met was you know
Like
He was a fun and dumb, you know and he's like that but like but whams if I don't want to be fun and dumb
You know, I want to be like I can't
She's just she's kind of like you've changed on me and
It's kind of making him feel guilty. Although this is completely undermined three seconds later
She's kind of making him feel guilty for wanting to be good at something right and like you said this case through
Yeah, right like he seems determined to be a good cop
Yeah, which again undermined immediately because he's starting to get text from danvers
Four in the morning, right? Well, hey, what do you know about oliver to gawk? You got a
He's just like damn it
and and just kind of ignores it and goes to bed
and
We get a a nice little scene of like everybody kind of shutting down for the day where
Navarro's tucking jewels in danvers is just lying
In bed staring up at the ceiling thinking about how shitty the world is or whatever and
Then it is now december 23rd the sixth day of night
And danvers immediately shows up at pete's
While there is this kind of wake happening
For the stillborn child. Yeah, and as you pointed out earlier, it's this kind of chanting
really solemn moment and
Danvers is
surprisingly respectful and quiet and
Kind of stays on the perimeter and isn't starting any shit
She also moved by this so like it gets to her
And as a result when she goes to the bathroom to get like some water and she turns the tap on and this gray sludge comes out
You know, this is like this isn't like this is the the real life effect of what these
These indigenous people are going through so she's like like it kind of weirdly humanizes her for
a split second
Yeah, yeah, she seems like she's
In the right headspace for about 30 seconds and then that'll all go away
uh, so pete's
veterinary
cousin
uh
Is looking over the pile of bodies fucking great
He is so clearly like out of his depth and knows it and it's just like I just want to go home
What do you need me to do? He says to him. Do you think he tried to claw his own eyes and he's like, how how long have you been staring at this?
That is so good. How long have you been looking at this a long time? I bet
um
And when danvers shows up though, he's like, hey, I look
This is not my thing
But I will tell you that uh, my guess is that they were dead before they froze
because
When when you go when you die on the ice, it's kind of weirdly peaceful
And all of these people look like they're screaming
camera pounds and it's like
He says look if I had a guess and this is just a guess everybody understand this is just a guess
But my guess is that they died of maritax. That's what I'm guessing moleman. There's han's moleman
He was the one who did it on the ice with the candlestick
Uh, but he's like, I I think that they died of heart attacks induced by fright
Yes, because I've seen this with caribou like you see this look on their face
I've seen this with caribou like right in the opening scene bo. What are we doing here right now ladies and gents?
and
This is where uh, he's like look, you know, I couldn't tell more without actually
Doing an autopsy
And she's like, yeah, that'd be a terrible idea. I mean you wouldn't do it, right? And
And he's like, no, that'd be illegal and she's like, oh, yeah, sure. I mean, I'm
I'm just kidding. Of course. I wouldn't ask you to do it. She totally was gonna do it
Oh, yeah, if she could have got away like we can hide it like if you just do it on one of them
Um, I just like the one that's most messed up dude. It's so good. I love that moment of her like
I mean you wouldn't you wouldn't do it, right? Like like all he's got to do is say yes
He'll do it and this motherfucker's getting cut open, you know
Like it's oh, I love it so much. It is my favorite thing in this whole whole episode. It is the best
And then uh navarro shows up and he's like, oh, hey, by the way, I found to gawk and it's like, well, that was fucking quick
How'd that happen? Yeah, and also Pete's like but he wasn't he doesn't exist
He's not in the database doesn't have a national security number. He doesn't have that social security number
He doesn't have like all these things and she's she's like, yep. He lives it nice out
Whatever commune it is
And then she's like that not everything's on a computer. What did she keep calling them? It's not young
Yeah, that was not everything's on a computer freshman. Um, and so they're going to go off and track down
This guy who I'm just going to see just now is mentally unstable
He's he's he's like he's one of those survivalism guys
and uh, yeah, they call it the muckluck telegraph. She says that's how she finds him and uh
So navarro, uh, has found him in this like remote ass village and they immediately go out there
um
into the middle of nowhere on the ice
And as soon as they get there a couple of guys show up that are like the fuck you doing here, you know, like it's a real
Yeah
And navarro is like, hey, we're looking for oliver to gawk. Um, he is not a suspect in anything
I want to make that clear
Uh, we just need to talk to him. We're not we're not trying to cause any trouble here
and they
uh
You know like he's got this cabin kind of thing
They motion to it without saying he's there. You're right. He may be there. He may not be there, they say and they
Uh, they like go to the door and they knock on it a couple of times. Once again, navarro does another you wouldn't do this, would you?
Um, like straight away where she's like, she didn't get she didn't get our answer to break
Like to bend the rules and break the law five minutes ago. So she's just gonna do it anyway
Yeah, no, it's it's totally her just like saying loud. So someone else can over here like oh, what's that? Come on in. I got you and
They open the door. It's so dumb. They open the door
And there's oliver to gawk sitting in a chair with a gun with a big old fucking gun
right of like a big rifle and
Uh, he's like, I I think you guys should leave and they're like, you know what we should but
We need to ask you about annie k and he's like, what about her?
and uh, they're like, well you
You know, you saw her once she was still alive
And also all of your old colleagues are now dead too. But yeah, he doesn't want to answer on that and they're like, well, maybe
He's like, um, he said something. They're like, well, maybe we'll bring you in. He's like bring me in for what?
And he's like to find out what you know about the deaths at the salar station
He's like what deaths at the salar station and she's like all your colleagues are dead and he visibly looks
Shocked yeah
Any he asks specifically like oh even lond. Yeah, and they're like, no, no, no, he's not dead. He's at the hospital
He might as well be but we see him right fuck sake. He's in rough shape dunkin
um
And then to gawk orders them out of his place at the end of the gun is like don't ever come back here. Yeah
and uh
they
As they're leaving uh, is it to gawk who asks him about annie's real name?
Excuse me when they first he asked specifically about navarro's
Yeah, um name and he's like that maybe you've forgotten it and she kind of doesn't want to answer and danvers was like, yo
Yo, yo, yo, look at me. Look at me answer the question
And once again, this is the straddle in the two worlds. Yeah, but you can see it weighs on her it weighs heavy on her
Um, well danvers asks her about it and she's like you wouldn't understand so there's no point in getting into this conversation
Uh, but they get back in the truck and they get a call that lond
is awake by the way
And so they throw on the reds and blues and the siren and they are hauling ass
Across the ice to get to this poor son of a bitch
Oh my god, dude. It's such a
Tasty treat of a build up here. Yeah, because they the first person they encountered that get is a nurse
and uh, she's like look he's a little agitated right now and he's
How do I put that hard to look at? Yeah, and they're like, yeah, yeah, it's fine
and uh, they go in there and
he is like
I mean, it's like the fucking guy from seven
You know, yeah, he's missing. He's missing his legs. He's like, I think he's got one arms amputated
His other hand is like his fingers are all frostbitten. They're all black
His eyes are basically he's blind now. His eyes are now he looks like a fucking ice walker from fucking game of thrones
His eyes are like blue. He looks like he's been life-forced
Yeah, he looks like he's been life-forced
Where's Patrick Stewart when you eat them? Uh, his nose is all black as well
That's how the vampire is working this we do a little kissy kissy
His nose is all blackened as well
and um
like
It's like you look at it at this dude and you're like you need to be dead
Like this this should be over for you. This is too much for you do like don't cut sometimes don't come back
Sometimes they shouldn't come back
I say it's like, um, it was again, it reminded me of silence in the arms where
They get like when a lecture cuts off the guy's face and puts it over and they're like that's peppermint. God damn it
Speak to him and he's like, hey, you're looking real good peppermint. Hey, you're looking real good, dude
Little do they know it's really me
And that scene would be completely diffused if he's like, you're looking real good. They're peppermint. All you had was
What if there was an actual turn to camera like guess what they think
That's that's that's that's the the hard break with it. I bet you're wondering how I ended up here
right, right, right. Yeah, um
so anyway
they go in there and lund is screaming and shit and then, um
He basically tells him that she's awake
Right
We woke her and now she's out in the ice. Yes, not on the ice in the eyes in the ice
Uh, and she said he says, uh, she came for us in the dark
And as he's howling now
Yeah, they're like, oh, hey, there's a bunch of these
Yeah, assholes from the eyes. Did you did you did you know that earlier on like yesterday?
There was all these guys he's kind of hunter guys with guns and alcohol and oranges just out on the ice
Just run them up a muck. I mean, I don't suppose you warned anyone like hank is clearly going to get
Hank is going to be in a lot of trouble in the next episode. I can't wait
Yeah, but like she's like facetaly. So danvers danvers is going to go up against all these fucking armed militias herself
And she's like to navarro. She's like you keep an eye on him if he speaks
I want to know what he says you stay here. So she goes away to take care of business and like once again
Fearless badass like she walks right and there's all these kind of guys and hunter gear that's swinging around
But she's right up there with the cuffs slamming people into walls
Cuffing them. Yeah throwing the cuffs on people throwing elbows like danvers
Does not take shit from anyone ever
That I mean that is if if there are two rules of duncan a bow come correct
It is you should be fucking
And number two is danvers does not take shit from anyone ever
Wait, she she she'd like lays down the law hard. But while she's doing that once again when navarro is left
by herself
She uh witnesses
Uh lund be a palm. Oh not at first at first. We get a good old-fashioned halloween
Corpse sitting up in here. This is a real Michael Myers. That's up. Yeah
Totally sits up in the background and in the camera pan round and is there pan in background
Basically he tells her that he has spoken to her mother on the other side talks to her by name calls her by name
Evangeline
I have spoken to thine mother
um
And he's basically like your mother
Is looking forward to being v you know it with you on the other side. What's that you don't want to hear when you're having a bad day?
um
Yeah, she's waiting for you
And then he full on dies. Yeah, like does this point she's waiting for you and then
Like yeah, he goes out. He does he goes out like he's been life-forced. It's
horrifying
and yeah, anyway, so he was on death's door and
Danvers comes rushing in as he's flatlining. Yeah throws a look at navarro. Like would you you had one fucking job?
It like i'm taking down a militia out there
Single-handed. Yes, right? No weapons. Just just my hands and my cuffs here and you had one job
Like the next episode is going to start with her plunching her hands into his chest
To massage his heart back to you were not going down me. God damn it. Dr. Lector
There's another there's another part of me that thinks
There's a trust element there if navarro shot that guy
Does she think in the back of her head
Did yeah, just kill this dude. Yeah, maybe she killed this guy. I mean, I think
You know, he'd like what is the motive ask the question dunkin
What's the motive maybe this guy killed anarchy? Yeah
So maybe he's protecting the person that did I don't know but yeah like so
Once again, this is another scene where
Navarro has had communication with the other side and it does it brings back what rose said rose said that there's three types of spirits that come back
To get in touch with you one that you know want something from you one that is there to deliver a message and I can't remember what the third thing
One that wants to take you with you. Yeah, that's right
So and it appears that navarro is getting haunted by all three the ghosts of christmas past future and present
um
So yeah, like like she's getting it from all sides. She's got like holding who's basically trying to give her a message for a mum
she's got fucking
Like our mum who wants her to come to the other side
um
And obviously is haunted by the ghost of anarchy as well. So
Yeah
Look, I am
All about this
What about this episode is for a middle of the
Middle of the season the episode
It didn't really progress the story
That much by felt like we settled in and started filling out our characters a lot more
So we now know what happened with danvers and navarro
We might not know all the details, but we know what the catalyst was behind that
I've now got a really good theory on what the sort of person hank is
Got a great theory about like navarro's illness and how it aligns with her sister
Um, and the the visions that she gets we know a little bit more about danvers in general our attitudes towards her adopted daughter
and
We now know more but there's one scene that this whole episode closes with which is the
That the the the kind of set up for your here's your big cliffhanger
This is your man in a pair of underwear walking along a grassy knoll with a gas mask
um
Basically right at the end of this one. They come out of the room
lond's dead
pete arrives pete has
Fucking mobile phone which they've managed to hack and the last video is on it and the last video is of anarchy
Anarchy appears to be in the ice cave
That's what it looks like
Yeah, and I think the insinuation here is she was attacked by a polar bear
Maybe well she says I found it. It's here. Yeah, if anything happens to to me she says
And then immediately it's like and she's dragged away
Yeah, she's dragged away and she screams
A lot as they all
Look at this camera. I think this is a polar bear. I think this is the polar bear imagery
I think that we keep getting this polar bear thing. I also think it explains the scratch in the polar bear's eye
I think she claws it off
I think that's I think that's what we're going to find out. I think she claws the polar bear's eye the polar bear lets her go
I think she's then found by the salal group
And something goes wrong there. Huh, okay. I like all of that
I also think the thing she's talking about is whatever
I also think there's something to do with
Them digging in the ice. I think I think well here's my work my working theory at the moment is there's infant deaths
She is fully aware of it as a midwife. She links it to the miners
I think she
Wants evidence scientific evidence. So she convinces her friend to take her up to the salal station. I think she then
Like goes out our way to start a relationship with clock because clock is the one that shows an interest in her
To see what information she can get about the causes of what the mining might be doing, right?
And I think
Whilst she's doing that. I think she's going to uncover that the salal station was doing something
I think she needs evidence for it, which she will find in the ice cave
I think
That's what gets her murdered. I think it might be the people in the salal station
collectively almost as a kind of fucking
As a murder on the orient express. I think they all take turns and that's why she stabbed 32 things
I okay. I'm with you there. Um, I think
That one of the things going on is that
this is based on
The purest of speculation
Moment right like the light bulb every season you're gonna get it right one day, right? They're clearly ice moleman
ice moment
No, I think when they
Would they talk about
something being in the ice?
Yeah, there's that there could be a some sort of pathogen or m zane or something something that maybe
Might drive the caribou crazy that might drive salal station crazy
Might also drive some of the people out looking for clerk on the ice crazy, which is why they
We have a room full of people attacking each other. That's a good point. That's a good point
And that the the she in this is like some name that they have given to it
Right and possibly so all right. So that's where I am. That's just again
Pure speculation based on nothing more than
Oh, it's something in the ice that they've let loose and maybe that's one of the
Like as they're looking for these microbes that they've unleashed some kind of pathogen like you said and
So I like it. I like it. I you know, I do what I can talking
All right, uh any other theories that we need to hit
And I think we've covered them all. I think the big ones here are are all there. I think um
From our position now, we are now moving into the back half of the season
We absolutely are uh, you know as soon as we get done recording this tonight
I'm gonna go watch the new episode that dropped yesterday
And I can't wait. I'm I'm enjoying this and I really
You know, I mean not to toot her own horn, but I really have enjoyed like picking it apart
And really getting into some of the character stuff like I've really enjoyed
Not only watching the show, but I've really enjoyed talking about the show this year. Yeah, I think the
I think once again, there's a lot of people out there that are looking
Unfairly at this season. Um, I think they're judging it
They're judging the entire season by the however many episodes have come out
What kind of like annoyed me a little bit is our buddy Nick Pizzalato has taken potshots at
um, he said Lopez this week on
His social media basically saying that, you know, all these connections to season one are dumb
Um, he doesn't like the fact that like it's like people are obviously questioning him on
On instagram and reddit and stuff and he's answering back and he's being very dismissive of the season overall
um, which just screams to me of sour grapes, you know, I mean like
like
Let's let's be honest here like
It's not your property anymore and they can do whatever they want with it and also
I don't think like I said to you before I think the fact they mentioned like
Tuttle organization or the total fucking collective and I was like, oh could it be this way that has not been touched on again
It might never get touched on and it might be those are just throwaway lines to indicate that it's in the same universe
Which by the way season three did season three did with clipper of
rust and fucking
Marty's solving of the case and a like a news like article or something
So season three existed in the same universe. This is just linking it to that
The spirals might be no connection to any yellow king or carcosa and it may just be purely something that she dreamt from the ether
um
so
I don't know. I don't know like I think I think nick piss a lot of should concentrate on trying to get something off the ground
Instead of getting all his stuff cancelled
Uh, yeah, take that
um
Yeah, I I have you know, I don't see a whole lot of social media. Uh, fortunately, so I haven't caught a lot of that stuff
Yeah, um
In heavily polarized in season weirdly, there's like a lot people not digging the overt horror of it
Uh, I mean, I I guess I get it but I mean man, it's just it's been so much fun for me
I really at 100 and I still think I still think
like based on our two theories
Like my theory is that she's playing the long con. She's setting up all this supernatural shit
But ultimately it's going to end in a very practical
Yeah, kind of which is what true detective does
I like every season does that it plays with a lot of shit that is just on it's on the fringe
of esoteric and then
But at the end of the day, it's always it's always a guy
Yeah, who you know did the murder. It's some human
foible of some kind whether it's greed or uh, you know
sloth debauchery whatever it happens to be but
What's in the box doctor lector
Stop it. You're sucking the eyeballs out like they're grapes. It's disgusting
Um, anyway, uh, duckin. Yes, where can people find more stuff from you?
Should they want more of this penetrating insight?
Uh, and and hottest of takes
Oh, um, and he's just just the right amount of ribaldry
Yeah, just always just the right amount. Yeah too much in it's fucking ruined. Yeah. Um, and it's yeah, it's not enough
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Which will include me reviewing a 4k uhd print of cannibal holocaust. Yay
um
Fucking yay. Yeah. Well, you know, you got to watch it about once every five years just a prune
Yeah, and then just like trying to cover still a movie that is never real
That's a movie that like no one was saying, you know what 4k uhd
Um, I want to see more turtle. How can how can the turtle be clearer?
So yeah, so I've got that but there's a there's a a goofy
Fucking sci-fi fantasy movie in there as well
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Check us out over there and and apparently we're taking a week off
Yeah, we are uh on account of there being uh football to be played american football
God, damn it. They uh, the the hardest of all the footballs. Um, I think
I think there's gonna be a lot of complaining. Here's why I don't want to be online again ever
Uh, because after this super bowl, there's gonna be a bunch of people bitching about like
Can you believe how many times the camera cut to taylor swift who was in one of the boxes watching her boyfriend play
It's ruining the game
It's like really the game that is the
Launch pad for all kinds of
Uh cte injuries
Multiple murders and deaths
No one taught listen. I'm I'm outside your country and I can tell you right now
No one talks about the winners or losers of the super bowl. What they talk about is the super bowl halftime
So it's already a spectacle of entertainment and singers and dancers and adverts
so if
The biggest recording artist of all time is there
That kind of makes sense to me. I don't know that like kind of makes sense. I think that's on brand. Yeah
I I totally agree, but there there are some people
Already getting real butt hurt about this situation duncan. They wouldn't buy any chance be we have red caps that say
Great again again again
Duncan, uh, I think that is conjecture
and true
Conjecture and bore out with the piles of evidence we have here
Yeah, if you look here duncan, um, it turns out that that venn diagram is just a circle
Just a circle
Uh, but anyway, we will be back then in two weeks
To talk about uh more true detective
Uh, but until then my only task left it is to say to my good friend duncan. Say good night, duncan
To say to my good friend duncan say good night, duncan
It still gets longer
I almost tagged the other bit in there and then I'm like that's taking one step too far and wait till next time
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