WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.679 Welcome, everyone, to the DC Beer Show. We are at DC Beer 2 00:00:03.679 --> 00:00:07.515 across social media. Jordan, what are you 3 00:00:07.515 --> 00:00:11.355 drinking this lovely evening? Good, sir. I'm still in the Pacific 4 00:00:11.355 --> 00:00:14.495 Northwest, at least in spirit. I'm having a Reuben's 5 00:00:14.955 --> 00:00:18.750 pale ale. I Mix it up a bit. So, yeah, just to join the 6 00:00:18.750 --> 00:00:22.190 pale ale today, sir. It's been a it's been a beautiful week thus far. 7 00:00:22.590 --> 00:00:26.275 No tornado watches today or this week. 8 00:00:26.275 --> 00:00:29.335 All is well. Queen b, what are you having tonight? 9 00:00:30.115 --> 00:00:33.270 On this perfect, this not even, 10 00:00:33.649 --> 00:00:37.110 like, summery night, it's 73 degrees. It's 11 00:00:37.410 --> 00:00:40.555 brilliant. Oh my gosh. I am drinking 12 00:00:41.095 --> 00:00:44.934 Good Neighbor's Lager. And Good Neighbor's Lager is a 13 00:00:44.934 --> 00:00:48.235 collaboration beer between Denizens 14 00:00:49.020 --> 00:00:52.860 and Brooklyn's Finest, which I love both of those 15 00:00:52.860 --> 00:00:56.515 places. I sat down with Julie, actually, last week, chatted with 16 00:00:56.515 --> 00:01:00.274 Julie for a bit, took some photos and such. And 17 00:01:00.274 --> 00:01:03.680 we she talked about this logger and how both, 18 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.700 Brooklyn's Finest and Denizen's are turning 10 19 00:01:08.720 --> 00:01:12.295 and how they decided to celebrate together by 20 00:01:12.295 --> 00:01:15.835 brewing a lager beer, a Dortminder export lager, 6%. 21 00:01:16.695 --> 00:01:20.530 It's beautiful. It is brilliant. I might have consumed 3 of 22 00:01:20.530 --> 00:01:24.050 them during the time that I was at Denizen's last 23 00:01:24.050 --> 00:01:27.490 week. So I think this is my last can until I can pick up 24 00:01:27.490 --> 00:01:30.845 another can. So make sure you guys check out the 25 00:01:30.845 --> 00:01:34.625 Denison's 10 year anniversary party this Saturday, tomorrow. 26 00:01:35.085 --> 00:01:38.750 Mister Stein, what are you drinking? I am having a 27 00:01:39.049 --> 00:01:42.509 do or die Irish style 28 00:01:43.049 --> 00:01:46.429 dry stout. It is a dynamite beer. 29 00:01:46.905 --> 00:01:50.345 I feel like the Irish Dry Stout is 30 00:01:50.345 --> 00:01:53.784 to, the Irish what the destica or the 31 00:01:53.784 --> 00:01:57.350 10 are to the Czechs. You see there's a 10% lager in 32 00:01:57.350 --> 00:02:00.950 Czechia, which is 4% and this here is a 33 00:02:00.950 --> 00:02:04.674 3.6% ABV dry 34 00:02:04.674 --> 00:02:08.514 stout packed full of flavor, just enough roast to let you 35 00:02:08.514 --> 00:02:12.360 know you're not drinking, let's say, a sweet stout or 36 00:02:12.420 --> 00:02:15.240 far drier than an imperial stout. It's just wonderful. 37 00:02:16.340 --> 00:02:20.155 And Capital Weather Gang told us this is the best day of the week 38 00:02:20.155 --> 00:02:23.915 for DC weather. It's incredible. Yeah. I saw 39 00:02:23.915 --> 00:02:27.500 my friend Julie from, the brew shop, and as she says, 40 00:02:27.500 --> 00:02:31.340 every day is stout and porter day if you try hard enough. 41 00:02:31.340 --> 00:02:35.100 So today, I'm I'm giving it my best and enjoying this 42 00:02:35.100 --> 00:02:38.765 dry stout. So we've got a pale 43 00:02:38.765 --> 00:02:41.745 ale, a dorkmunder style lager, 44 00:02:42.685 --> 00:02:46.200 and a stout. I'm gonna add a 4th style to that. 45 00:02:46.340 --> 00:02:49.940 I have here old Mecklenburg's French 46 00:02:49.940 --> 00:02:53.465 style, Saison. Their brewery out of North 47 00:02:53.465 --> 00:02:57.305 Carolina. Stein gifted me a can a while back, and I 48 00:02:57.305 --> 00:03:00.820 really liked it. And so I had a friend driving up 49 00:03:01.300 --> 00:03:05.140 and said, hey. Do you want anything? And I said, yes. I would actually 50 00:03:05.140 --> 00:03:08.820 like a 4 pack of that saison, please, just like a delightful under 51 00:03:08.820 --> 00:03:12.295 6% clean saison for a lovely 52 00:03:12.295 --> 00:03:16.135 day before it gets to be 90 degrees and disgusting. And, you know, 53 00:03:16.135 --> 00:03:19.435 we all drink Campari and soda and cenet, such as IPAs. 54 00:03:20.170 --> 00:03:23.770 I figure just yeah. Okay. Got it. A lovely beer. If you're down there, check 55 00:03:23.770 --> 00:03:27.290 them out. So glad to hear your friend brought you a 56 00:03:27.290 --> 00:03:31.035 fresh saison from old meck, as we call Old Mecklenburg 57 00:03:31.335 --> 00:03:35.095 in in Carolina, and you didn't hold on to the one that I brought you 58 00:03:35.095 --> 00:03:38.930 from July 2023. I had a oh shit moment when you 59 00:03:38.930 --> 00:03:42.769 said that. So thank you, hashtag drink it fresh, drink it 60 00:03:42.769 --> 00:03:46.610 now. I wanna talk to you for a second. I need to tell 61 00:03:46.610 --> 00:03:50.275 you how good of a time I had 62 00:03:50.415 --> 00:03:54.255 at tiny beer fest on Sunday. And it 63 00:03:54.335 --> 00:03:57.555 I hadn't been. I was so excited to go. The weather was beautiful. 64 00:03:58.239 --> 00:04:01.920 But I'm also sad that you guys weren't there, but I know that some of 65 00:04:01.920 --> 00:04:05.495 you are representing at some other places. And it feels 66 00:04:05.495 --> 00:04:09.175 like summer is usually a slow sort of time, 67 00:04:09.175 --> 00:04:13.015 but June has been crazy poppin'. There's so many 68 00:04:13.015 --> 00:04:16.610 events. And tomorrow, 15th, there are too 69 00:04:16.610 --> 00:04:20.370 many, really, almost to to list, but I feel like 70 00:04:20.370 --> 00:04:24.185 we should do our piece, our part, and do a 71 00:04:24.185 --> 00:04:27.785 little bit of of promoting and tell everybody where to go. 72 00:04:27.785 --> 00:04:31.440 Jake. Alright. So let's start. Jordan, and as well as 73 00:04:31.440 --> 00:04:33.940 Brandy too, where are you gonna be tomorrow? 74 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:38.580 Tomorrow, I'm gonna flip the script. I'm already drinking Parale's and not IPAs. 75 00:04:38.845 --> 00:04:42.625 I'm gonna be in Virginia, gonna be down with this, the town of Herndon, 76 00:04:43.085 --> 00:04:46.605 Bitter Fruit Light Brew Movement and a number of other awesome and 77 00:04:46.605 --> 00:04:49.850 amazing local and Black owned breweries will be participating 78 00:04:50.630 --> 00:04:54.470 and a Juneteenth beer festival of sorts. So I'll be down 79 00:04:54.470 --> 00:04:57.865 there and, really looking forward to just kind of 80 00:04:57.865 --> 00:05:00.525 commemorating the event, but also this is the inaugural, 81 00:05:01.305 --> 00:05:05.065 Juneteenth event for the town of Herndon. So, really looking forward to that. I 82 00:05:05.065 --> 00:05:08.540 know it's gonna be a great time. There's gonna be some awesome beer and, 83 00:05:08.740 --> 00:05:11.740 you know, DC beer will be in full effect, but we'll also have Eye of 84 00:05:11.740 --> 00:05:15.180 the Beholder in full effect as well. So got a couple of other 85 00:05:15.180 --> 00:05:18.465 things. We're doing our best to cover all the things that are happening, but but, 86 00:05:18.465 --> 00:05:22.305 Brandy, I know you're you're kinda you're kinda squinting squinting your Saturday up. What 87 00:05:22.305 --> 00:05:25.960 do you all have going on tomorrow? Well, obviously, Denizen's 88 00:05:26.100 --> 00:05:29.800 10 year anniversary. And out at Dynasty, 89 00:05:30.020 --> 00:05:33.525 there's, like, this cool, old, nice car 90 00:05:33.525 --> 00:05:37.205 show going on, which sounds I don't even like cars, but it sounds kinda 91 00:05:37.205 --> 00:05:40.720 fun. And I know, like, there's so many other events going on. I'm 92 00:05:40.960 --> 00:05:44.800 like, my brain is, like, fried right now. Jake, do you have Yeah. What's 93 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:48.639 the other one that I'm missing? So Dynasty's loud 94 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:52.395 neighbor and Favio Garcia, Dynasty Brewer co 95 00:05:52.395 --> 00:05:55.755 owner, previous employer, Lost Rhino, is turning 96 00:05:55.755 --> 00:05:59.569 13. Oh, Crooked Run. 97 00:06:00.270 --> 00:06:03.789 What year anniversary? Oh, like, we're not even done with Loudoun. 98 00:06:03.789 --> 00:06:07.565 Crooked Run is turning 11. Old Ox is turning 99 00:06:07.565 --> 00:06:10.385 10. Miesa's turning 1. 100 00:06:11.485 --> 00:06:15.090 Our good friend, Judy Neff, who we saw at the excellent 101 00:06:15.090 --> 00:06:18.870 Brandy hosted event at other half in March, Checkerspot, 102 00:06:19.090 --> 00:06:22.230 I think, turns 7, and they're in their new digs, 103 00:06:22.690 --> 00:06:26.125 thanks to, Which is gorgeous. Sam Adams Grant. Yeah. Which is 104 00:06:26.125 --> 00:06:29.805 gorgeous. Yeah. You should get out there. We already 105 00:06:29.805 --> 00:06:33.300 mentioned Denizens and then, of course, the 106 00:06:33.300 --> 00:06:36.760 weekend after. Right? So we've got 6 anniversaries, 107 00:06:37.620 --> 00:06:41.185 plus Juneteenth, plus the car show at 108 00:06:41.185 --> 00:06:45.025 Dynasty. And then the weekend after, we've got 109 00:06:45.025 --> 00:06:47.285 Third Hill's anniversary, the 22nd, 110 00:06:48.700 --> 00:06:52.540 and Manor Hill turns 9 on the 22nd also. And so 111 00:06:52.540 --> 00:06:56.125 I feel like the there isn't enough there's not not enough 112 00:06:56.525 --> 00:07:00.205 DC beer to be out and about covering all of these. 113 00:07:00.205 --> 00:07:03.645 Like, I'm gonna get to Denizens, but I don't think I can, you know, 114 00:07:03.645 --> 00:07:07.440 like yeah. I don't know how you get hit all these loud and events. I'd 115 00:07:07.440 --> 00:07:10.890 love to be at Biesa, obviously. But Yeah. I'm I'm wondering 116 00:07:10.890 --> 00:07:13.985 I'm wondering, Jordan, are you gonna have a time traveling 117 00:07:14.525 --> 00:07:17.965 device ready by I know you were working on 118 00:07:17.965 --> 00:07:21.520 it all year last year. I don't. Is it still in prototype, 119 00:07:21.740 --> 00:07:25.500 or can we time travel yet? Yeah. Well, I have a beta, but it's you 120 00:07:25.500 --> 00:07:28.860 know, I I make no promises of of where what period you'll be traveling to, 121 00:07:28.860 --> 00:07:31.715 so we just might not test it for this time. We'll keep it for, the 122 00:07:31.715 --> 00:07:35.555 fall. I mean, your girl somehow is always 123 00:07:35.555 --> 00:07:39.075 at every place at the same time, but this weekend, I can't do it. 124 00:07:39.075 --> 00:07:42.720 So I'm summoning help. I'm putting up the bat signal. 125 00:07:43.260 --> 00:07:46.640 So all of all of our DC beer friends and family, 126 00:07:47.565 --> 00:07:51.405 we can't be at everything, but we desperately hope that 127 00:07:51.405 --> 00:07:55.190 you show up and give love and and support our local breweries 128 00:07:55.650 --> 00:07:59.250 and friends. Wherever you are, spread that DC beer love 129 00:07:59.250 --> 00:08:02.645 around. You know if we were in Baltimore, we'd be seeing our 130 00:08:02.645 --> 00:08:06.245 friend Judy Neff at Checkerspot. You know if we were in 131 00:08:06.245 --> 00:08:09.865 Alexandria, we'd be seeing our friends at Miesa. 132 00:08:10.330 --> 00:08:14.090 You know we will be in Herndon for the Juneteenth celebration, and 133 00:08:14.090 --> 00:08:17.825 I just have to say there are some common threads here. Old ox 134 00:08:17.825 --> 00:08:21.585 turning 10 in, you know, out in Virginia, but then 135 00:08:21.585 --> 00:08:24.885 both Denizens, Riverdale, Maryland, 136 00:08:25.185 --> 00:08:28.930 and Brooklands' finest, DC proper, all 137 00:08:28.930 --> 00:08:32.690 turning 10. It's remarkable. You know? Julie Varady of Denizens told 138 00:08:32.690 --> 00:08:36.395 us it's so infrequent that small businesses, who are the 139 00:08:36.395 --> 00:08:40.075 backbone of the American, entrepreneurial economy, 140 00:08:40.075 --> 00:08:43.839 make no mistake about it, If they turn 5, it's amazing. Turning 10 141 00:08:43.839 --> 00:08:47.600 is phenomenal. So we give massive shout out to them. And I 142 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:51.155 just have to share a little tidbit. So for the Juneteenth well, 143 00:08:51.155 --> 00:08:54.835 what's being billed as the Juneteenth Brewbilly play on 144 00:08:54.835 --> 00:08:58.515 words on Jubilee, I assume, 2024, a culture and 145 00:08:58.515 --> 00:09:02.170 beer fest. So our friends at Black Brew Movement have been 146 00:09:02.170 --> 00:09:06.009 instrumental, we've had them on the show before. Black Brew 147 00:09:06.009 --> 00:09:09.715 Movement and Bitter Fruit Brewing, Northern Virginia's sole black owned brewery, 148 00:09:10.095 --> 00:09:13.875 are also gonna see black owned breweries from 149 00:09:14.015 --> 00:09:17.690 DC, Maryland, and Virginia, and one of those, of course, 150 00:09:17.690 --> 00:09:21.450 is liquid intrusion. I have to give a massive shout out to 151 00:09:21.450 --> 00:09:24.975 liquid intrusion because they were at Dynasty for the brewing of this 152 00:09:24.975 --> 00:09:28.635 beer, and Fabio was just like, man, I 153 00:09:29.135 --> 00:09:32.870 I like, Andrew and Jasmine are incredible. They 154 00:09:32.870 --> 00:09:36.630 have their act together. They knew exactly the moves to 155 00:09:36.630 --> 00:09:40.010 be made with the this farmhouse beer that's being released, the saison, 156 00:09:40.695 --> 00:09:44.535 light, spritzy, fruity, effervescent. It sounds like a wonderful beer. I 157 00:09:44.535 --> 00:09:48.135 can't wait to get my my hands on it, and we are 158 00:09:48.135 --> 00:09:51.510 so excited for the Juneteenth, rubily, 159 00:09:51.730 --> 00:09:55.270 2024 Culture and Beer Fest. 160 00:09:56.210 --> 00:09:59.785 So I want to have 161 00:09:59.785 --> 00:10:03.485 pickles right now. I love pickle beer. I love 162 00:10:03.545 --> 00:10:07.270 all things fermented. And Mike Stein and I just 163 00:10:07.270 --> 00:10:11.110 had a lovely interview with Mike Pauley and Jinson 164 00:10:11.110 --> 00:10:14.875 Chan of Sojourn Fermentary. And I think you guys 165 00:10:14.875 --> 00:10:18.415 are gonna really wanna listen to this because after you 166 00:10:19.115 --> 00:10:22.790 listen to how amazing this is, you're gonna wanna go visit. So 167 00:10:23.750 --> 00:10:27.509 open open your listening ears. Open your listening ears. Listen 168 00:10:27.509 --> 00:10:31.110 listen to, a man who finally got a brewery to name a 169 00:10:31.110 --> 00:10:34.835 beer, Asian Glow. Take it away, Brandy. I'm so 170 00:10:34.975 --> 00:10:38.675 thrilled to have 2 amazing guests. 171 00:10:39.615 --> 00:10:43.430 And one of them I've known for many, many years, and I'm sure you 172 00:10:43.430 --> 00:10:46.490 know this person as well. You've probably seen him at 173 00:10:46.950 --> 00:10:50.730 literally all of the beer events. He's friends with all of the beer people. 174 00:10:51.325 --> 00:10:55.085 And the person that I'm speaking of is Jinson. Everyone 175 00:10:55.085 --> 00:10:58.525 knows Jinson. Jinson is what is joining us 176 00:10:58.525 --> 00:11:02.260 tonight with, his co owner, Michael 177 00:11:02.260 --> 00:11:05.779 Polley, and the 2 of them are starting a new brewery 178 00:11:05.779 --> 00:11:09.300 together, and we have them on to discuss this. Hello, guys. 179 00:11:09.300 --> 00:11:12.764 Welcome. Hey. Hello. Thanks for having us. Hey, 180 00:11:12.764 --> 00:11:16.365 Brandy. Thanks for having us. Mike Stein is joining us for this interview as well. 181 00:11:16.365 --> 00:11:20.040 So we're tag teaming, which is lovely. So let's get started. You're 182 00:11:20.100 --> 00:11:23.800 too kind, Brandy. Let's get into it. Jinson Chan, 183 00:11:23.860 --> 00:11:27.015 Michael Pauley, welcome to the show. We're so excited to have you. 184 00:11:27.335 --> 00:11:31.115 Jinson, why don't you start us off? Tell us a little bit about, Sojourn 185 00:11:31.175 --> 00:11:34.935 Fermentary. What is it? Where is it gonna be? What's 186 00:11:34.935 --> 00:11:38.760 happening with it? First of all, thanks for having us. We are so honored 187 00:11:38.760 --> 00:11:42.360 to be here at Spiro. I've been, listening to your 188 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:45.965 podcast for a long time and really enjoy whatever you guys 189 00:11:45.965 --> 00:11:49.505 doing. Love it. Stojan inventory is 190 00:11:49.725 --> 00:11:53.339 a project that, Mike Paulie and I and Scott 191 00:11:53.339 --> 00:11:56.480 Osborne, few of us, co founded this project. 192 00:11:57.899 --> 00:12:01.420 I wanna say probably, like, 3, 4 year 3 years 193 00:12:01.420 --> 00:12:04.754 ago. And the idea is really 194 00:12:04.814 --> 00:12:08.514 simple. Right? We want to create a space where we 195 00:12:08.814 --> 00:12:12.550 have view and experience. And, we want 196 00:12:12.550 --> 00:12:16.190 to bring everybody together, enjoy the beer, and 197 00:12:16.190 --> 00:12:19.949 have conversation, and build relationship at the space that 198 00:12:19.949 --> 00:12:23.405 we provided. And, something very, very 199 00:12:23.405 --> 00:12:27.105 simple, and that is based on, you know, many years of, 200 00:12:28.045 --> 00:12:31.600 my extreme high side, how we curate the 201 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.060 beer and also create a beer that people enjoy. 202 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:38.964 And then, Mike, you know, he also a 203 00:12:38.964 --> 00:12:42.805 very, very talented brewer. He create a lot of good beer, 204 00:12:42.805 --> 00:12:45.764 and I've had challenges with many, many year with, 205 00:12:47.190 --> 00:12:50.790 different difficult year to make, and we always see the home run every 206 00:12:50.790 --> 00:12:54.250 single time. So so the inventory 207 00:12:54.390 --> 00:12:58.185 is really, something that we we love to put 208 00:12:58.185 --> 00:13:01.785 all our perspectives together, and, hope that 209 00:13:01.785 --> 00:13:05.350 everybody can be there, food and 210 00:13:05.350 --> 00:13:08.950 beer and the whole environment. You can sit down 211 00:13:08.950 --> 00:13:12.250 and, you know, enjoy it. And it's gonna be in Suffolk, 212 00:13:12.595 --> 00:13:16.055 Virginia. It's very close by to 213 00:13:16.675 --> 00:13:20.310 64 and 17. So you 214 00:13:20.310 --> 00:13:23.910 ever go out to Autobahn, it's probably like a 5 minute 215 00:13:23.910 --> 00:13:27.610 tour for you to provide to grab some beer and some fruit, 216 00:13:28.015 --> 00:13:31.215 and maybe get a whole case of beer and bring to your big tub and 217 00:13:31.215 --> 00:13:34.355 enjoy it. Oh, sounds it sounds terrible, 218 00:13:34.575 --> 00:13:37.970 Shenzhen. Sign me up. Where do I sign 219 00:13:37.970 --> 00:13:41.810 up? So, a, you're gonna get a bunch 220 00:13:41.810 --> 00:13:45.475 of, Virginia Beach and 221 00:13:45.475 --> 00:13:49.235 navy people because, you know, navy's right there. So you're 222 00:13:49.235 --> 00:13:53.010 going to be slammed. I sadly haven't been to Virginia Beach in 223 00:13:53.570 --> 00:13:57.329 before since they've had breweries there. So I am I 224 00:13:57.329 --> 00:14:01.085 am due for a visit, and I can't I I'm gonna choose the best 225 00:14:01.085 --> 00:14:04.305 time and go when you guys open. Which is gonna be when, Michael? 226 00:14:05.085 --> 00:14:08.590 So right now, we're targeting the end of July. So last week of July, is 227 00:14:08.590 --> 00:14:12.350 gonna be our grand opening. And so we're really looking forward to that. It's my 228 00:14:12.350 --> 00:14:15.810 birthday month, so thanks for the birthday present, everybody. 229 00:14:17.915 --> 00:14:21.595 So how did this idea came come about? Like, who 230 00:14:21.755 --> 00:14:25.370 did Jinson go to Mike or Mike go to Jinson? Or 231 00:14:25.370 --> 00:14:28.410 was this, like, do you guys, like, wake up and have the same dream and 232 00:14:28.410 --> 00:14:31.130 you just texted each other and said, guys, I just had the craziest dream. And 233 00:14:31.130 --> 00:14:34.795 you said, me too. How did how did this happen? So 234 00:14:34.795 --> 00:14:38.635 Jin and I were talking, and, you know, I was kinda at a crossroads of 235 00:14:38.635 --> 00:14:42.015 things. And, Jin said it was like, well, you know, 236 00:14:42.290 --> 00:14:46.130 instead of moving to another job, why don't you start your 237 00:14:46.130 --> 00:14:49.570 own thing and make it happen and, do that? And I was like, well, that 238 00:14:49.570 --> 00:14:52.654 would be great. But, you know, there's a lot of hurdles to that. And Jinson 239 00:14:53.115 --> 00:14:56.255 basically was like, well, I'll help you through those hurdles, help you figure out solutions, 240 00:14:56.315 --> 00:15:00.029 and, make that happen. And so, you know, me 241 00:15:00.029 --> 00:15:03.870 and my, other good friend, Scott Osborne, they always kinda had this 242 00:15:03.870 --> 00:15:07.635 dream of doing that. But, you know, it's a lot of round or 243 00:15:07.635 --> 00:15:11.475 taking and there's a lot of, like, unknown unknowns. And so, you know, I was, 244 00:15:12.275 --> 00:15:16.035 kind of jinxed that was, like, you gotta conquer fear. You have to go through 245 00:15:16.035 --> 00:15:19.290 that. And so, yeah, you really spurred me out and, 246 00:15:19.610 --> 00:15:23.209 believed in me and, you know, would talk me up and blow it off smoke 247 00:15:23.209 --> 00:15:26.425 where I believed it. And, you know, here we are. So 248 00:15:27.285 --> 00:15:30.745 I mean, look, Jinson just being the motivator 249 00:15:30.964 --> 00:15:34.360 for everybody and being everyone's, you know, cheerleader. 250 00:15:34.660 --> 00:15:38.500 Yes, Jinson. Oh my gosh. And anyone who knows Jinson 251 00:15:38.500 --> 00:15:42.315 knows that this is how he is, so that's fantastic to hear. I love that 252 00:15:42.315 --> 00:15:46.155 story. Well, I mean, honestly, when I talk to 253 00:15:46.155 --> 00:15:49.980 Mike about this, it's like, I basically asked 254 00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:53.820 him, like, what else do you need to prove on your resume? Like, 255 00:15:53.820 --> 00:15:57.505 you have this amazing resume already. What 256 00:15:57.505 --> 00:16:01.265 else do you need to add onto it? And, why not do something 257 00:16:01.265 --> 00:16:05.025 on your own? And, you know, he always have the idea about 258 00:16:05.025 --> 00:16:08.579 doing something his own. And all I'm really 259 00:16:08.579 --> 00:16:12.420 trying to do is just kinda, like, provide help for him to start, you 260 00:16:12.420 --> 00:16:16.075 know, making his dream come true. And 261 00:16:16.135 --> 00:16:19.654 and the other part of it is also a little bit selfish or 262 00:16:19.654 --> 00:16:23.274 buy. Originally, I was, you know, thinking about, for hindsight, 263 00:16:24.019 --> 00:16:27.699 where my craft beer bar is, you know, started in 264 00:16:27.699 --> 00:16:31.540 2018, and the business plan is always called for after 265 00:16:31.540 --> 00:16:35.325 2 year, we're gonna open a 2nd location and maybe a 266 00:16:35.325 --> 00:16:38.785 3rd location, concept like that. Obviously, 267 00:16:39.245 --> 00:16:42.800 2 years later, it's 2020, and 268 00:16:42.800 --> 00:16:46.640 that's right where the pandemic happened. So, basically, the project was on 269 00:16:46.640 --> 00:16:50.480 hold, and, give me more time to think about it, and then, 270 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:53.895 you know, talk to my a lot during that time as well. 271 00:16:54.515 --> 00:16:58.215 And at the end, we figure, instead of open a second location, 272 00:16:58.755 --> 00:17:02.540 why not we just open a brewery and create this 273 00:17:02.540 --> 00:17:06.299 whole experience that I couldn't provide currently 274 00:17:06.299 --> 00:17:10.044 at Highspot. Right? Because we don't brew our own beer. So having 275 00:17:10.044 --> 00:17:13.565 Mike partner up, and we can brew our own beer and create a 276 00:17:13.565 --> 00:17:17.184 whole new beer. That was kinda right, the whole story, 277 00:17:17.520 --> 00:17:21.359 pretty much. That's super exciting. I wanna hear a little more of 278 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.119 the story. As we were talking with you, Mike Polley, at the 279 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.325 start, you had mentioned earlier on in your career 280 00:17:28.545 --> 00:17:32.225 getting onboarded and being flown to Austria to 281 00:17:32.225 --> 00:17:35.985 study brewing, and, of course, Austria is famous for pastry 282 00:17:35.985 --> 00:17:39.809 stouts, with toasted almond. They they 283 00:17:39.809 --> 00:17:43.350 really love their 10 to 12% imperial stouts. 284 00:17:43.945 --> 00:17:47.625 No, but I'm kidding, but but take us from that all the way back 285 00:17:47.625 --> 00:17:50.765 there, most recently I've seen your beer at Blue Jacket, 286 00:17:51.450 --> 00:17:54.970 where there's not one but 2 different stouts, both barrel 287 00:17:54.970 --> 00:17:58.190 aged, one with the sort of pastry stout treatment, 288 00:17:58.490 --> 00:18:02.155 one straight out of, I believe it was Bourbon Cask. 289 00:18:02.534 --> 00:18:06.054 So tell me a little bit about the beers you're making now and how far 290 00:18:06.054 --> 00:18:09.790 you've come in your journey as a brewer. Yeah. So 291 00:18:09.790 --> 00:18:13.250 it's been an interesting journey. You know, I started off making 292 00:18:13.470 --> 00:18:17.265 just, multistep decoction loggers, at a time 293 00:18:17.265 --> 00:18:20.705 where there was no plate of the market for that, which was fun and 294 00:18:20.705 --> 00:18:23.825 interesting to, working at Cigar City and working under, 295 00:18:24.560 --> 00:18:27.940 you know, I've got Pringle and Wayne and those guys, just like, 296 00:18:28.320 --> 00:18:31.600 yeah, which hats off, you know, I don't know if you guys know much about 297 00:18:31.600 --> 00:18:35.095 Wayne, but really keep that in motion a lot of what's 298 00:18:35.395 --> 00:18:38.835 super popular in terms of, like, rethinking what IPs 299 00:18:38.835 --> 00:18:42.135 were using ingredients that were non traditional. 300 00:18:42.610 --> 00:18:46.049 And so, you know, that was an interesting kind of ruffle to add to it. 301 00:18:46.370 --> 00:18:49.990 And then I kinda came up here in more of a leadership role, 302 00:18:50.304 --> 00:18:53.904 working at Commonwealth and, you know, just building there and, 303 00:18:54.784 --> 00:18:58.400 and kind of riffing out all those ideas. So, yeah, so it's been 304 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.760 quite a journey along the way, and I worked in different brewery as well. And, 305 00:19:01.760 --> 00:19:04.880 you know, and but now it's it's really cool because, you know, I've gone through 306 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:08.485 all these different experiences and grown and learned. And even with the 307 00:19:08.485 --> 00:19:12.164 breweries that we've done beers with, you know, we we actually also did a lager 308 00:19:12.164 --> 00:19:16.005 with, Blue Jacket, Austrian Medicine, which is probably one of 309 00:19:16.005 --> 00:19:19.740 the nearest and dearest collab we've done. And so going back to those blue 310 00:19:19.740 --> 00:19:23.500 jacket beers in particular, and, dig those 2 different styles, but we were 311 00:19:23.500 --> 00:19:27.205 very intentional to do, more of like a Wayne 312 00:19:27.205 --> 00:19:30.265 and Wayne Lambos, you know, OG Cigars inspired 313 00:19:30.725 --> 00:19:34.485 beer, like base beer. And with that, you know, there was 1 or 2 314 00:19:34.485 --> 00:19:38.110 barrels within the barrels that they laid down. Down. They were exceptional. And 315 00:19:38.110 --> 00:19:41.550 so I had talked to Greg and those guys for, you know, my 316 00:19:41.550 --> 00:19:45.150 recommendation was can we do, like, those couple barrels as, like, the barrel select 317 00:19:45.150 --> 00:19:48.715 version? And so and they get, you know, and then we also did the 318 00:19:48.715 --> 00:19:52.554 treatment version as well. And, you know, the thought process behind that was just 319 00:19:52.554 --> 00:19:56.320 to, again, rift on that idea of doing 320 00:19:56.320 --> 00:19:59.700 culinary inspired rights. So just for clarity for the listenership, 321 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:04.054 there are 2 beers on offer at Blue Jacket right right now. 322 00:20:04.115 --> 00:20:07.875 There is before midnight, the barrel aged imperial stout, and 323 00:20:07.875 --> 00:20:11.700 then there's dolphin named Ace, and dolphin named 324 00:20:11.700 --> 00:20:15.540 Ace is a bourbon aged stout infused with fresh hazelnuts, cacao 325 00:20:15.540 --> 00:20:19.055 nibs, and vanilla beans, and they're both wonderful. They're both 326 00:20:19.295 --> 00:20:22.895 exclusively in bottles at Blue Jacket if you're interested to 327 00:20:22.895 --> 00:20:26.355 try some of the Sojourn, beer now. 328 00:20:26.590 --> 00:20:30.430 That's exciting. Are you excited, my Michael Polley, sorry. There are 329 00:20:30.430 --> 00:20:34.270 2 mics on the recording, to get back into 330 00:20:34.270 --> 00:20:38.065 Lager? Because, you know, I'm assuming when you were working for Cigar 331 00:20:38.065 --> 00:20:41.745 City, which is such a cool thing to have on your resume because everyone loves 332 00:20:41.745 --> 00:20:45.180 Cigar City, And, and even Commonwealth, 333 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.400 the lager the presence of lager has just 334 00:20:49.560 --> 00:20:53.085 has a has had a resurrection. And it's so exciting for all of 335 00:20:53.085 --> 00:20:56.145 us, you know, regular old folk beer drinkers. 336 00:20:56.685 --> 00:21:00.370 So yes. Yeah. So with that, you know, for 337 00:21:00.370 --> 00:21:03.909 me, personally, I've always loved lager beer, 338 00:21:04.289 --> 00:21:07.970 you know, going to Austria, things like that. Even my beer journey started 339 00:21:07.970 --> 00:21:11.475 with English beer and lagers, you know. It wasn't 340 00:21:11.935 --> 00:21:15.775 these big crazy IPAs or anything like that. Even I remember 341 00:21:15.775 --> 00:21:18.270 when I took the job at Cigar City, it was really tough, 342 00:21:19.450 --> 00:21:22.330 even just to, like, put back highlights for what it used to be or being 343 00:21:22.330 --> 00:21:25.530 not metered. Right? But I took the job knowing I was gonna learn and grow. 344 00:21:25.530 --> 00:21:28.535 Right? But, so yeah, so for me, 345 00:21:29.555 --> 00:21:32.275 if I had to really sum it up, I'm still the same old guy who, 346 00:21:32.915 --> 00:21:36.159 really enjoys making very technically 347 00:21:36.380 --> 00:21:40.000 complicated, but, clean lagers. And then, 348 00:21:40.220 --> 00:21:43.635 you know, with coolest beer, which is also a very 349 00:21:43.695 --> 00:21:47.375 interesting and complicated, expression, you know, like, there's a lot of yeast 350 00:21:47.375 --> 00:21:50.675 general flavor. And then it takes kind of like, 351 00:21:51.210 --> 00:21:54.590 a lot of restraint, to balance those beers out really well. 352 00:21:55.050 --> 00:21:58.170 And then, you know, I really have a strong love for, for Belgian beer as 353 00:21:58.170 --> 00:22:01.145 well. So So if I had to pick, like, 3, then those are them. 354 00:22:01.925 --> 00:22:05.605 I wanna know where the name came from. Who where did 355 00:22:05.605 --> 00:22:09.330 so Sojourn from entry? Like, who who came up how 356 00:22:09.330 --> 00:22:12.930 did that process go about? Steve. You guys are 357 00:22:12.930 --> 00:22:16.390 laughing. Oh, it's gonna be a good one. Okay. Yeah. 358 00:22:17.024 --> 00:22:20.644 So, naming a brewery is a very, very difficult thing. 359 00:22:20.865 --> 00:22:24.705 There are 10,000 names out there. So, you know, there's a lot of cropping things 360 00:22:24.705 --> 00:22:28.470 off the list. But, yeah, the term sojourn basically means to dwell or 361 00:22:28.470 --> 00:22:31.990 stay for a while. And so, you know, we just want to create a space 362 00:22:31.990 --> 00:22:35.835 for people to hang out in the community and fossil community. You 363 00:22:35.835 --> 00:22:39.615 know, so far we talk a lot about, beer as 364 00:22:40.080 --> 00:22:43.840 an object now. But, beer is more for 365 00:22:43.840 --> 00:22:47.540 me, it's more of an experience, you know, when you go to Austria 366 00:22:47.600 --> 00:22:51.385 or Czech Republic and you drink beer, right? You see people sit down, sit down 367 00:22:51.385 --> 00:22:54.905 a stomkisch, you know, and they're like, the only comment on the beer is, oh, 368 00:22:54.905 --> 00:22:58.160 the beer feels good today, or, oh, it feels a little off, And then they 369 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:01.919 continue to drink their beer and order another one. And, you know, it's it's not 370 00:23:01.919 --> 00:23:05.679 a social, experiment of, oh, I 371 00:23:05.679 --> 00:23:09.245 get this, I get that, and dissecting things. And not I don't mean that 372 00:23:09.245 --> 00:23:12.605 delittling to anyone, like, that's fun. But for me, you know, 373 00:23:12.605 --> 00:23:16.230 it's beer is like, 374 00:23:16.230 --> 00:23:19.830 part of the culture, and the experience. It's a it's a place where 375 00:23:19.830 --> 00:23:23.290 you dwell and you hang out and you meet your friends and you celebrate 376 00:23:23.350 --> 00:23:26.695 life together. So, yeah, that's kinda how we ride this together. 377 00:23:26.915 --> 00:23:30.675 Yeah. I love that. Yes. The fermenter came from 378 00:23:30.675 --> 00:23:34.520 the fact that, know, we have a very big space, and we wanted to 379 00:23:34.520 --> 00:23:38.279 offer beer and cider. And then for food, we wanna 380 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:41.975 do something with fermentation elements as well. So we talked about a lot of different 381 00:23:41.975 --> 00:23:45.815 things. But, you know, the one that clicked the most was to do rum style 382 00:23:45.815 --> 00:23:49.530 pizza. So we brought that in and, you know, that requires a 383 00:23:49.610 --> 00:23:53.050 3 plus day fermentation on the dough, or like hard process 384 00:23:53.050 --> 00:23:56.730 does. But again, that that riffs off the same idea of, you 385 00:23:56.730 --> 00:24:00.565 know, long slow fermentations like for lagers and and just bringing that to the 386 00:24:00.565 --> 00:24:04.005 forefront. Yeah. No. Jinson is 387 00:24:04.005 --> 00:24:07.789 incredible over at Highside because every time 388 00:24:07.789 --> 00:24:11.250 I go, I get the pickles that are available there. 389 00:24:11.470 --> 00:24:14.770 And the pickle a pickleback, this pickle 390 00:24:15.150 --> 00:24:18.804 brine is incredible. So as long as that's available 391 00:24:19.024 --> 00:24:22.865 at Sojourd, I think everyone's gonna be super happy on top 392 00:24:22.865 --> 00:24:26.669 of the beer. Yes. Our goal is to do all things 393 00:24:26.669 --> 00:24:30.130 fermented. Right? So that's why we name it Fermentory. 394 00:24:31.285 --> 00:24:35.125 Is it a brewing or beer company? Because we would 395 00:24:35.125 --> 00:24:37.865 like to experiment with, all kind of fermentation, 396 00:24:38.804 --> 00:24:42.430 if possible, And I I think, you know, people like 397 00:24:42.430 --> 00:24:45.970 that, as simple as a pickle, and 398 00:24:46.430 --> 00:24:49.855 people draw to it and, so many use of it. 399 00:24:50.174 --> 00:24:54.015 And I I think it's clear, very interesting experience. I agree. 400 00:24:54.015 --> 00:24:56.755 I personally love pickles and all things fermented, 401 00:24:58.070 --> 00:25:01.830 So not everyone does, but I do. So you say this this space 402 00:25:01.830 --> 00:25:05.405 is gonna be huge. And so what should 403 00:25:05.405 --> 00:25:09.164 people expect when they come to visit at the end of 404 00:25:09.164 --> 00:25:12.784 July? To be specific, our space is 9,248 405 00:25:14.125 --> 00:25:17.600 graphic. Jeez. And, I mean, we have 406 00:25:17.600 --> 00:25:20.900 probably about 40, 50% of that will be production. 407 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:24.615 Right? Okay. And then, lots of food kitchen there as 408 00:25:24.615 --> 00:25:28.215 well. We will we we kind of very 409 00:25:28.215 --> 00:25:31.860 fully divided space out for family 410 00:25:31.860 --> 00:25:35.620 friendly area, where, you know, people who have kid can come 411 00:25:35.620 --> 00:25:39.400 in and they have a I want to call it a stay stay for them. 412 00:25:39.794 --> 00:25:43.575 And then we also have a space where we call it a indoor beer garden, 413 00:25:44.674 --> 00:25:48.350 because we open up the garage door, it connected to an 414 00:25:48.350 --> 00:25:52.190 outdoor space, like a patio. So we call it indoor 415 00:25:52.190 --> 00:25:55.905 outdoor beer garden. It's gonna be huge, and because we have, like, a outdoor 416 00:25:55.905 --> 00:25:59.745 space that has, like, a bay where we can perform, like, live 417 00:25:59.745 --> 00:26:03.044 music there, and we also can host some community 418 00:26:03.105 --> 00:26:06.720 event, at the space there. And, we have 419 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.180 this ice well, we're gonna put all the glassware 420 00:26:10.855 --> 00:26:14.615 to the temperature same as the beer. So if you just sort of 421 00:26:14.615 --> 00:26:18.375 hang out with your happy hour, we could maybe 2 or 3 422 00:26:18.375 --> 00:26:21.970 TV there. You can watch a spa, hang out with your friends, or if your 423 00:26:21.970 --> 00:26:25.730 company have, like, happy hourly, whether host your staff, we have a 424 00:26:25.730 --> 00:26:29.170 big order. Well, so the space is huge, and we kinda, 425 00:26:29.170 --> 00:26:32.105 like, cater it to different demographic 426 00:26:32.645 --> 00:26:36.005 and, you know, be inclusive in all kind of people 427 00:26:36.005 --> 00:26:39.640 who want to enjoy their life a little bit. That's 428 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:43.240 brilliant. I love that. That's it sounds incredible. I can't wait to 429 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:46.860 visit. Any parting things the DC beer listenership 430 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:50.215 should know, before we let you go, Jinson, 431 00:26:50.755 --> 00:26:54.515 or Michael? Yeah. We're excited to, you know, host you guys, when 432 00:26:54.515 --> 00:26:58.009 you're driving through, and, please be on the lookout, you know, if you see me 433 00:26:58.009 --> 00:27:01.850 there, definitely say hi. I you know, a big thing for me is, you 434 00:27:01.850 --> 00:27:05.395 know, building community and making time for people, making time to share 435 00:27:05.395 --> 00:27:08.915 beer. And so, yeah, I'll be the one who's pretty much always 436 00:27:08.915 --> 00:27:12.674 there. So, yeah. Yeah. We even have, like, the little stop and chase table that, 437 00:27:13.020 --> 00:27:16.620 if you see me sitting there, definitely come hang up. I will definitely do that. 438 00:27:16.620 --> 00:27:19.920 Well, you guys heard it here, on DC beer. 439 00:27:20.355 --> 00:27:23.735 Michael Polley and Jinson are opening 440 00:27:23.955 --> 00:27:27.555 a fermentory. So all you pickle lovers, all you pizza 441 00:27:27.555 --> 00:27:31.060 lovers, all you beer lovers, check check lagers. 442 00:27:31.760 --> 00:27:35.460 We're we're so excited, and I know Mike Stein is excited. 443 00:27:35.520 --> 00:27:38.305 So Mike's gonna have we're gonna have to take a little road trip. What do 444 00:27:38.305 --> 00:27:41.985 what do you think, Mike? I'm ready. Do you see beer on location? Sojourn for 445 00:27:41.985 --> 00:27:45.825 Menerey. Let's go. Well, oh, again, like, we are planning to open 446 00:27:45.825 --> 00:27:49.370 in end of July. If you ever plan to put down in the 447 00:27:49.370 --> 00:27:53.130 south in Suffolk, just stop by. Thank you guys for having 448 00:27:53.130 --> 00:27:56.585 us. It's a pleasure to meet you, Mike Sine and Brandy. Thanks, 449 00:27:56.585 --> 00:28:00.025 Guy. Cheers. Thank you so much. Looking forward 450 00:28:00.025 --> 00:28:03.600 to Sojourn. Alright. Yeah. 451 00:28:03.600 --> 00:28:07.360 There's a lot out there. I feel like, we should deputize all of the 452 00:28:07.360 --> 00:28:10.800 listeners. Take pictures, tag us in 453 00:28:10.800 --> 00:28:14.505 stuff, send us stuff on IG so that we can make an epic 454 00:28:14.505 --> 00:28:18.205 reel, following all of his anniversaries, parties, 455 00:28:18.585 --> 00:28:22.350 celebrations. And make sure you come visit us for our 456 00:28:22.410 --> 00:28:26.010 June beer share at Silver Branch in Silver Spring, the original Silver 457 00:28:26.010 --> 00:28:29.585 Branch. I want to see your beautiful faces and all the 458 00:28:29.585 --> 00:28:32.805 lovely beer you bring. And, we gotta build this community 459 00:28:33.345 --> 00:28:36.730 one one little person at a time. Well said. That'll be 460 00:28:36.730 --> 00:28:40.570 Sunday 23rd, 2 to 5. RSVP is up on 461 00:28:40.570 --> 00:28:44.054 Eventbrite. You will see former podcast guest and 462 00:28:44.054 --> 00:28:47.894 perhaps future podcast guest Mike Earl there, I hope. Fingers 463 00:28:47.894 --> 00:28:51.654 crossed. Which means that you'll probably see some of the DC beer crew drinking 464 00:28:51.654 --> 00:28:55.450 Ralph beer, I hope. Fingers crossed. Alright. Love 465 00:28:55.610 --> 00:28:59.290 I love you all. I'll see you very soon. Come drink beer 466 00:28:59.290 --> 00:29:02.765 things with us. And if you're not with us, tag us. We wanna see all 467 00:29:02.765 --> 00:29:06.445 the things. Right? Right, everybody? Right. Right. 2nd and third. 468 00:29:06.445 --> 00:29:10.125 Yeah. Yep. Atdcbeer.com. Lots of new articles for 469 00:29:10.125 --> 00:29:13.929 you. Lots of events in the calendar. Breweries, bars, there could 470 00:29:13.929 --> 00:29:17.690 be more. 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