1 00:00:03,758 --> 00:00:06,598 Welcome to The Crucible, Conversations for the Curious. 2 00:00:06,598 --> 00:00:08,410 I'm Hamish, your host. 3 00:00:08,526 --> 00:00:13,006 In each episode you'll hear from everyday people who've been through profound life 4 00:00:13,006 --> 00:00:17,426 altering experiences, from life threatening illnesses or accidents, deep 5 00:00:17,426 --> 00:00:22,266 existential crisis, addiction, or having to make life choices that have ultimately 6 00:00:22,266 --> 00:00:25,006 brought them peace, connection and purpose. 7 00:00:25,006 --> 00:00:29,086 They've all stared into the abyss, walked through the fire of their own personal 8 00:00:29,086 --> 00:00:33,206 dark nights of the soul, and emerged from the other side transformed. 9 00:00:33,206 --> 00:00:37,886 This podcast is for anyone going through an awakening, a time of massive change, or 10 00:00:37,886 --> 00:00:38,480 questioning the 11 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:39,680 meaning of life. 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,940 You are not alone. 13 00:00:40,940 --> 00:00:42,160 You can get through this. 14 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:46,360 I promise you life is more meaningful and beautiful on the other side. 15 00:00:53,895 --> 00:00:55,995 Today we are talking with Rory. 16 00:00:55,995 --> 00:01:01,355 Rory's kindly come to join us and share his awakening and the journey of his life 17 00:01:01,355 --> 00:01:02,935 and what he's doing. 18 00:01:02,935 --> 00:01:03,625 So hi Rory. 19 00:01:03,625 --> 00:01:06,209 Thank you very much for joining us today. 20 00:01:06,209 --> 00:01:10,509 Hi Hamish, thank you very much for inviting me and I'm really pleased to be 21 00:01:10,509 --> 00:01:19,129 here because I love this topic of, or this feeling of sense of awakenings. 22 00:01:19,129 --> 00:01:26,849 I like what you brought to that, bring to this because it's very much something that 23 00:01:26,849 --> 00:01:34,499 we don't necessarily think of at the time around things that have kind of happened, 24 00:01:34,499 --> 00:01:36,321 happening to us or... 25 00:01:36,321 --> 00:01:45,741 or happened to us, or these words we use for life experiences and often just caught 26 00:01:45,741 --> 00:01:52,261 up in the moment, whether it's a good moment or a bad moment or a difficult 27 00:01:52,261 --> 00:01:57,161 moment, and then there's that reflective going, or what happened there? 28 00:01:57,521 --> 00:02:05,601 And it's the idea, I like that idea of exploring it from a point of view of... 29 00:02:05,601 --> 00:02:09,145 What can we learn, I guess, if that's the... 30 00:02:09,447 --> 00:02:10,727 absolutely. 31 00:02:11,647 --> 00:02:13,747 Cool, well let's start off. 32 00:02:13,747 --> 00:02:16,947 What is your awakening? 33 00:02:16,947 --> 00:02:22,627 What happened in your life that made you change, either have to change or realise 34 00:02:22,627 --> 00:02:24,567 something needed to be different in your life? 35 00:02:24,567 --> 00:02:31,137 Tell me about that process where things required you to change. 36 00:02:31,137 --> 00:02:32,937 Wow, yes. 37 00:02:33,637 --> 00:02:44,257 So around my early 20s, in fact it was going into my 20s, I was at a phase in my 38 00:02:44,257 --> 00:02:53,937 life where I had, I felt like just before this point that happened for me, I felt 39 00:02:53,937 --> 00:02:56,705 like, wow, I'm... 40 00:02:56,705 --> 00:02:59,165 I'm experiencing an awakening. 41 00:02:59,165 --> 00:03:05,505 I thought I was experiencing an awakening in a positive way because I'd come out of 42 00:03:05,505 --> 00:03:13,885 school, I'd come out of understanding what I perceived myself to be, learning through 43 00:03:13,885 --> 00:03:19,985 school and receiving results and going, I'm more of an artist, I'm more of a 44 00:03:19,985 --> 00:03:22,433 creative kind of person. 45 00:03:22,433 --> 00:03:26,793 I did have resentment for the way the grades at school said that, you know, this 46 00:03:26,793 --> 00:03:32,013 is a particular type of intelligence and this is the only type of intelligence and 47 00:03:32,013 --> 00:03:41,013 this is what you get to understand about the world and this is the focus, this is 48 00:03:41,013 --> 00:03:50,113 what all of life's learnings are all about is how you can prove yourself in a 49 00:03:50,113 --> 00:03:52,353 particular way and that was... 50 00:03:52,353 --> 00:03:58,893 that I couldn't show up in an exam and recall that quickly. 51 00:03:59,053 --> 00:04:04,913 And I was left feeling misunderstood around that process of not that I didn't 52 00:04:04,913 --> 00:04:06,383 really care as such. 53 00:04:06,383 --> 00:04:11,713 I didn't care that in a conscious way that that matters. 54 00:04:11,713 --> 00:04:19,201 I just thought, what I didn't realise was I was choosing for it to teach me. 55 00:04:19,201 --> 00:04:22,371 that that's the way I was, that I was not like that. 56 00:04:22,371 --> 00:04:30,061 And I was, I was more of a, I'd say misfit, but someone that didn't really fit 57 00:04:30,061 --> 00:04:35,801 into what society perceived as intelligent or normally communicative. 58 00:04:35,801 --> 00:04:37,391 I didn't believe I was a communicator. 59 00:04:37,391 --> 00:04:43,461 I didn't believe I was like assertive in that way in verbal communication, in 60 00:04:43,461 --> 00:04:44,941 processing information. 61 00:04:44,941 --> 00:04:47,661 And I just leaned into music. 62 00:04:47,661 --> 00:04:48,545 I just became 63 00:04:48,545 --> 00:04:54,745 had a love of music so I started to learn guitar and I just found a joy in playing 64 00:04:54,745 --> 00:04:59,605 guitar over and over again and over and over and over again playing it, playing it 65 00:04:59,605 --> 00:05:07,165 every day just because I just wanted to play guitar and saw myself, I guess I saw 66 00:05:07,165 --> 00:05:13,245 myself wanting to wanting to be the best I could be at guitar because so that's what 67 00:05:13,245 --> 00:05:17,761 I did and I went over and over and over again got fanatical with it. 68 00:05:17,761 --> 00:05:24,521 And then I got into bands and out of bands and didn't know how to communicate my 69 00:05:24,521 --> 00:05:28,681 ideas as such, but I just went along with it and was creative in bands and then they 70 00:05:28,681 --> 00:05:30,161 sort of split up. 71 00:05:30,161 --> 00:05:34,931 And then I kind of got into dance music and self -expression through dance. 72 00:05:34,931 --> 00:05:39,871 And I didn't know what that was all about other than just, I loved doing it. 73 00:05:39,871 --> 00:05:42,721 So I just went and did it. 74 00:05:44,221 --> 00:05:47,777 Then it came to a head because there was a lot of... 75 00:05:47,777 --> 00:05:53,537 sucked into kind of recreational drug use as well alongside it. 76 00:05:53,537 --> 00:05:57,757 I didn't feel addicted to it, but at the same time it was there and it sort of 77 00:05:57,757 --> 00:05:58,937 enhanced situations. 78 00:05:58,937 --> 00:06:02,837 But what I didn't realise it was doing was changing my brain chemicals and getting me 79 00:06:02,837 --> 00:06:07,697 used to that being the normal way to enjoy myself. 80 00:06:07,717 --> 00:06:14,957 And so that in itself also led me to a crux in my life where as a breakup, I 81 00:06:14,957 --> 00:06:16,705 didn't know how to explain my emotions. 82 00:06:16,705 --> 00:06:21,515 and I didn't know how to communicate or I didn't automatically forgive. 83 00:06:21,515 --> 00:06:27,685 I was a natural sage sort of personality that could just go away and just be 84 00:06:27,685 --> 00:06:29,905 enjoying myself playing music. 85 00:06:29,905 --> 00:06:34,305 And I didn't know how to, I just forgave the situation for what it was, but I 86 00:06:34,305 --> 00:06:40,065 didn't really realise I wasn't, I wasn't forgiving myself at all. 87 00:06:40,065 --> 00:06:45,921 And I just thought I was broken because I didn't know how to explain it. 88 00:06:45,921 --> 00:06:51,301 I didn't know that that was the how to explaining it was one of the keys in which 89 00:06:51,301 --> 00:06:54,081 was keeping it there or making it worse. 90 00:06:54,081 --> 00:06:57,861 So I went into a period of psychosis at that point. 91 00:06:57,861 --> 00:07:06,541 So going from this phase of, wow, the world is opening up and the world is 92 00:07:06,541 --> 00:07:11,233 possibilities and learning about spirituality and going, I could like... 93 00:07:11,233 --> 00:07:14,773 you know, focus on things and manifest things or meet people. 94 00:07:14,773 --> 00:07:22,453 And I'm so excited about the rest of my life and what could be possible to hitting 95 00:07:22,453 --> 00:07:28,073 rock bottom and thinking that I was broken and I didn't, I had a thread that I was 96 00:07:28,073 --> 00:07:34,313 going to be okay because it wasn't, it was kind of almost felt like it was forced in 97 00:07:34,313 --> 00:07:34,743 some way. 98 00:07:34,743 --> 00:07:40,385 It wasn't like I was meant to become mentally ill as such. 99 00:07:40,385 --> 00:07:46,985 just felt like at that point I didn't know how to get out of it. 100 00:07:46,985 --> 00:07:54,725 And I knew that it was possibly possible to get out of, but I just thought it was 101 00:07:54,725 --> 00:07:56,345 going round in a loop. 102 00:07:57,345 --> 00:08:00,975 Is this my life now? 103 00:08:00,975 --> 00:08:04,005 Have I broken my mind and my emotions? 104 00:08:06,025 --> 00:08:09,153 And so therefore, that's where... 105 00:08:09,153 --> 00:08:13,413 I went through a positive awakening of like, wow, what's going to be amazing, 106 00:08:13,413 --> 00:08:20,253 what's possible to I feel like I'm, I'm, I'm broken and I don't know what to do. 107 00:08:20,253 --> 00:08:28,913 So then, then luckily my mother had was, was very good at studying natural 108 00:08:29,933 --> 00:08:32,523 medicines and things like that. 109 00:08:32,523 --> 00:08:35,873 So she had learned reflexology at that point. 110 00:08:35,873 --> 00:08:37,217 And so. 111 00:08:37,217 --> 00:08:44,937 I had 14 weeks of reflexology and within a period of a moment where there was about a 112 00:08:44,937 --> 00:08:50,857 week where I didn't sleep and my eye was flickering and I was zoning in and out of 113 00:08:50,857 --> 00:08:55,397 trying to sleep here and there but not really falling asleep. 114 00:08:55,917 --> 00:09:02,597 And that was the pinnacle moment where I didn't know what was gonna happen. 115 00:09:02,597 --> 00:09:06,145 And then I was offered this treatment and... 116 00:09:06,145 --> 00:09:11,505 went for it, started to relax, started to, I got worse before I got better in the 117 00:09:11,505 --> 00:09:14,195 first few weeks, but then started to level out and started to relax. 118 00:09:14,195 --> 00:09:24,405 My nervous system started to regulate and therefore within 14 weeks I was back to 119 00:09:24,405 --> 00:09:32,445 smiling and happy again and wondering what, whether that was, what was going to 120 00:09:32,445 --> 00:09:35,169 happen and then just had more like this idea. 121 00:09:35,169 --> 00:09:40,629 I never got diagnosed with the psychosis and ever got diagnosed with PTSD, but I 122 00:09:40,629 --> 00:09:46,289 can certainly say that I feel like from feedback from others and talking to others 123 00:09:46,289 --> 00:09:51,499 and just studying health ever since then, that was the trigger. 124 00:09:51,499 --> 00:09:56,079 That was the trigger to be awakening into understand wanting to understand the mind, 125 00:09:56,079 --> 00:10:01,369 the body and health in general to see what else is possible to change. 126 00:10:01,369 --> 00:10:03,553 And that's what I love about that phrase is. 127 00:10:03,553 --> 00:10:05,693 What else is possible to change? 128 00:10:05,693 --> 00:10:07,493 And that's been my life ever since. 129 00:10:07,493 --> 00:10:13,167 So I would say that that's the most deep awakening that I've had ever since. 130 00:10:13,167 --> 00:10:15,427 That's, that's, that's quite incredible. 131 00:10:15,427 --> 00:10:21,987 So it, it, it began from not fitting that normal in school where it's all about IQ, 132 00:10:21,987 --> 00:10:23,627 that is your intelligence. 133 00:10:24,627 --> 00:10:30,407 and obviously that, that then for one of a better description that broke you. 134 00:10:30,727 --> 00:10:36,307 and then it was just a case of just sort of going around wondering what to do. 135 00:10:36,967 --> 00:10:40,015 and making sense of things slowly, but tell me a bit about. 136 00:10:40,015 --> 00:10:43,895 bit more about your mom and that and what she was doing with you, the reflexology, 137 00:10:43,895 --> 00:10:47,455 the all that kind of thing, because that that obviously is where you learn to 138 00:10:47,455 --> 00:10:50,375 listen to your body and understand and things like that. 139 00:10:50,721 --> 00:10:52,201 Yes. 140 00:10:53,301 --> 00:10:55,321 Yeah, so. 141 00:10:58,625 --> 00:11:03,055 Yeah, at that point I didn't know what it was going to be like. 142 00:11:03,055 --> 00:11:10,385 I just knew that it was some kind of physical relaxing treatment where, and it 143 00:11:10,385 --> 00:11:14,035 was, you know, she practiced running through the sequence. 144 00:11:14,035 --> 00:11:14,985 She just learnt it. 145 00:11:14,985 --> 00:11:20,105 So it was a good way for her to practice every week doing it. 146 00:11:21,645 --> 00:11:28,513 Within the 14 weeks, I really, I really... 147 00:11:28,513 --> 00:11:39,777 just just started to sleep it was like i was like instantly asleep by by by the 148 00:11:39,777 --> 00:11:44,937 the first sort of five minutes of the treatment, each time at that point when I 149 00:11:44,937 --> 00:11:51,137 got into being able to just let go, I was able to let go and just know that I was 150 00:11:51,137 --> 00:11:58,777 safe I guess and that also that feeling of unconditional love for it just being there 151 00:11:58,777 --> 00:11:59,897 for me. 152 00:11:59,897 --> 00:12:09,017 I think that that was another major awareness of this process that happened 153 00:12:09,017 --> 00:12:09,945 for me. 154 00:12:11,085 --> 00:12:18,753 yeah so she she'd also been also been 155 00:12:18,753 --> 00:12:22,625 into things like. 156 00:12:22,625 --> 00:12:28,185 some herbal remedies and things like that in the past. 157 00:12:28,185 --> 00:12:37,065 We tried out homeopathy and tried out herbal remedies and tried out many 158 00:12:37,065 --> 00:12:42,285 different things for when I was struggling with things in school. 159 00:12:42,445 --> 00:12:52,257 I was taken off, very, very young, I was taken off any colourings and additives. 160 00:12:52,257 --> 00:13:01,397 for instance, that would have evidence of me kind of going hyperactive afterwards. 161 00:13:02,537 --> 00:13:06,157 And it wasn't necessarily the sugar, but it was all the E numbers. 162 00:13:06,157 --> 00:13:08,837 So she was really fascinated by all of that. 163 00:13:08,837 --> 00:13:11,637 So I didn't have any too much processed foods. 164 00:13:11,637 --> 00:13:12,957 It was all natural. 165 00:13:13,676 --> 00:13:18,357 Sugar was still rife at that point through my childhood. 166 00:13:18,357 --> 00:13:20,417 So it was actually... 167 00:13:20,417 --> 00:13:26,657 After I went through that and I read a book called The Peaceful Warrior and that 168 00:13:26,657 --> 00:13:32,857 book explains, it kind of throws in the idea that sugar is not useful for the body 169 00:13:32,857 --> 00:13:40,537 and I was able to get, I thought, I wonder if that will help me. 170 00:13:40,537 --> 00:13:48,557 So I off my own back at that point in my early 20s, going to mid 20s, I just off my 171 00:13:48,557 --> 00:13:49,985 own back decided to... 172 00:13:49,985 --> 00:13:54,425 cut out sugar to help with the healing process. 173 00:13:54,425 --> 00:13:56,625 And it really did help as well. 174 00:13:56,625 --> 00:14:01,545 So that was another thing that also helped me with my healing journey as it were 175 00:14:01,545 --> 00:14:03,705 going coming out of that. 176 00:14:03,705 --> 00:14:09,505 And yeah, so I was very thankful for that process. 177 00:14:09,505 --> 00:14:11,895 It really helped me to go what else is possible to change. 178 00:14:11,895 --> 00:14:16,945 And then I learned I immediately wanted to learn massage. 179 00:14:17,085 --> 00:14:19,805 So at the age of 180 00:14:20,181 --> 00:14:30,201 24, I studied anatomy, physiology and massage and became, started working full 181 00:14:30,201 --> 00:14:31,841 time doing massage. 182 00:14:31,841 --> 00:14:37,621 I did traditional Chinese massage, seated acupressure, Indian head massage. 183 00:14:37,621 --> 00:14:42,881 And I really liked the chair massage when people have it in front of people. 184 00:14:42,881 --> 00:14:47,065 So I've always been this kind of person that likes to do things that... 185 00:14:47,297 --> 00:14:53,717 that's on the floor, on the ground level of just showing what something new to 186 00:14:53,717 --> 00:14:59,809 think about or do rather than sort of... 187 00:14:59,809 --> 00:15:02,269 How do I put it? 188 00:15:04,929 --> 00:15:09,449 you know, going off on a tangent and only working with real, really specific people 189 00:15:09,449 --> 00:15:14,949 that have heard of this really specific niche thing. 190 00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:19,429 So I'd be like, what can I show the general public that would be useful right 191 00:15:19,429 --> 00:15:19,589 now? 192 00:15:19,589 --> 00:15:21,869 And that would be massage. 193 00:15:21,869 --> 00:15:30,029 And it was, you know, in the mid early 2000s, where, where, yeah, we were just 194 00:15:30,029 --> 00:15:34,209 doing massage on the shop floors of Selfridges and 195 00:15:34,209 --> 00:15:39,069 House of Fraser and things and airports. 196 00:15:40,289 --> 00:15:41,967 Yeah. 197 00:15:41,967 --> 00:15:46,567 And that must be really interesting because you were just bringing that to 198 00:15:46,567 --> 00:15:49,967 people and just saying, look, this is, have a go at this, feel what's it like, 199 00:15:49,967 --> 00:15:50,987 what's it feel for you. 200 00:15:50,987 --> 00:15:52,287 And you're getting curious. 201 00:15:52,287 --> 00:15:56,457 And what were people finding when they were having these sessions done by you? 202 00:15:56,457 --> 00:15:58,155 What were they finding? 203 00:15:58,625 --> 00:16:04,125 Well, it's interesting because it was designed to be accessible and with clothes 204 00:16:04,125 --> 00:16:09,865 on and in front of others generally, but in spaces that are quiet, people would 205 00:16:09,865 --> 00:16:14,485 jump in and some would be very, very much like, can you do as much as possible in 10 206 00:16:14,485 --> 00:16:14,775 minutes? 207 00:16:14,775 --> 00:16:17,285 I'm just rushing around and it's not necessary. 208 00:16:17,285 --> 00:16:21,725 It was a challenge for me to be able to go, right, how can I make the biggest 209 00:16:21,725 --> 00:16:24,045 difference in a shorter space of time? 210 00:16:24,345 --> 00:16:27,105 So I kind of like that. 211 00:16:27,521 --> 00:16:34,381 that energy of just, you know, more faster techniques and shaking up the space and 212 00:16:34,381 --> 00:16:37,341 then calming it down just with a few breaths and things like that. 213 00:16:37,341 --> 00:16:40,941 So that's where I loved about it. 214 00:16:41,761 --> 00:16:46,921 Some others would just be like, wow, I want, can I get more? 215 00:16:47,581 --> 00:16:50,161 40 minutes or something like that. 216 00:16:51,201 --> 00:16:56,769 But yeah, generally, and yeah, working in clinics doing more longer. 217 00:16:56,769 --> 00:16:59,189 longer treatments as well at points. 218 00:16:59,509 --> 00:17:05,549 And yeah, I just found that I would be really, really good at sensing where there 219 00:17:05,549 --> 00:17:11,829 would be areas that need work, more work and others to clear that tension and allow 220 00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:16,549 Buffalo and things to flow in and out better. 221 00:17:16,569 --> 00:17:24,549 So once I was doing that, yeah, there's often, often people would be blown away at 222 00:17:24,549 --> 00:17:25,409 those points. 223 00:17:25,409 --> 00:17:27,909 and feeling very relaxed. 224 00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:32,889 However, it's very interesting that because I still at that point in my life, 225 00:17:32,889 --> 00:17:36,109 I still wasn't necessarily feeling like a communicator. 226 00:17:36,109 --> 00:17:44,049 As such, I was verbal, nonverbal communicator using my hands or doing dance 227 00:17:44,049 --> 00:17:50,689 and get, you know, kind of encouraging people that it's okay to, to get up and 228 00:17:50,689 --> 00:17:52,377 dance, you know. 229 00:17:52,577 --> 00:17:57,837 on a dance floor or something like that by just doing it myself or without having to 230 00:17:57,837 --> 00:17:59,417 talk that much. 231 00:18:00,037 --> 00:18:01,727 The words weren't coming up. 232 00:18:01,727 --> 00:18:08,636 So that's where I got kind of went through a physical awakening of getting RSI's from 233 00:18:08,636 --> 00:18:14,537 working really, really hard and repetitive strain injuries in my wrists. 234 00:18:14,537 --> 00:18:19,745 And I got osteopathy, had osteopathy for that and got better again from... 235 00:18:19,745 --> 00:18:21,865 those processes and went, that's really interesting. 236 00:18:21,865 --> 00:18:22,805 What's osteopathy? 237 00:18:22,805 --> 00:18:25,405 And, and I thought that would be the next level. 238 00:18:25,405 --> 00:18:32,585 By the time I was 32, I wanted to learn about that because I was getting tired and 239 00:18:32,585 --> 00:18:37,165 I was just going around the same loop of working really hard, but not necessarily 240 00:18:37,165 --> 00:18:43,505 not knowing how to talk about what the longer game of that would be. 241 00:18:43,505 --> 00:18:44,705 So people would come in for like, 242 00:18:44,705 --> 00:18:48,425 one or two sessions, get feel, feel great again, and then go away again and never 243 00:18:48,425 --> 00:18:49,005 call back. 244 00:18:49,005 --> 00:18:52,305 And I wouldn't necessarily know how to follow up or talk about it all. 245 00:18:52,425 --> 00:18:59,065 So, or, or talk through what would be useful as a plan, to manage the longer, 246 00:18:59,065 --> 00:18:59,715 longer term. 247 00:18:59,715 --> 00:19:05,865 And that's really from the space of where I'd come from with that whole thing 248 00:19:05,865 --> 00:19:10,905 building up and the emotional, emotional, suffering that I went through at those 249 00:19:10,905 --> 00:19:13,909 points or the belief systems that I had at the time. 250 00:19:14,241 --> 00:19:21,361 Those are the things that create our reality and create whether we feel fixed 251 00:19:21,361 --> 00:19:24,531 or stuck with a particular health thing or not as well. 252 00:19:24,531 --> 00:19:27,501 So that's where I was like, I didn't realise I was fascinated in that and I was 253 00:19:27,501 --> 00:19:32,601 working manually into the manual space, the physical space. 254 00:19:33,041 --> 00:19:38,301 However, it's become apparent I was like working more and more towards 255 00:19:38,301 --> 00:19:43,841 understanding how to address the mental and emotional. 256 00:19:43,841 --> 00:19:52,601 areas to actually really get to the point of how someone wants to manage themselves 257 00:19:52,601 --> 00:19:59,541 over a longer period of time and create the habits that they, the new habits that 258 00:19:59,541 --> 00:20:05,881 they want will actually lay down either maintaining a better sense of health or 259 00:20:05,881 --> 00:20:09,807 even improving it. 260 00:20:09,807 --> 00:20:17,207 That's fascinating because it sounds to me like you are doing what happened to you. 261 00:20:17,207 --> 00:20:20,887 There was that disconnect and then there was the very, with your Mum, there was 262 00:20:20,887 --> 00:20:26,127 that very physical, let's call it an education, which you then mimicked when 263 00:20:26,127 --> 00:20:27,987 you were working with people. 264 00:20:27,987 --> 00:20:31,157 And then it's become broader. 265 00:20:31,157 --> 00:20:36,187 So you've learned a skill and then you've got very familiar and competent with it. 266 00:20:36,187 --> 00:20:37,487 And then you realise, 267 00:20:37,487 --> 00:20:38,577 I need to add to it. 268 00:20:38,577 --> 00:20:43,767 So you've added that three dimensional, not just massage and go, but sort of keep 269 00:20:43,767 --> 00:20:47,941 on going and nurturing and making a space to help people on their journey. 270 00:21:00,362 --> 00:21:09,022 Yeah, so, so I went through this long period of time doing the physical 271 00:21:09,022 --> 00:21:14,582 treatment, then I moved into osteopathy, which was kind of working out how to, how 272 00:21:14,582 --> 00:21:17,322 to, 273 00:21:17,322 --> 00:21:21,162 how to help with the manual side of things, but it started to get into this 274 00:21:21,162 --> 00:21:23,622 whole long -term health picture thing. 275 00:21:23,622 --> 00:21:29,082 Even though a lot of the time when we go for osteopathy, it's like, something's 276 00:21:29,082 --> 00:21:35,042 come up and I want to get something sorted in the moment and quickly and done again. 277 00:21:35,182 --> 00:21:41,902 And people don't necessarily think about going for osteopathy for longer periods to 278 00:21:41,902 --> 00:21:44,770 maintain a sense of... 279 00:21:45,130 --> 00:21:48,590 maintenance or improvement on the longer term. 280 00:21:48,590 --> 00:23:10,954 And 281 00:23:10,954 --> 00:23:15,094 That's what I love about osteopathy is it's like the physical, it's the 282 00:23:15,094 --> 00:23:22,014 functional body, it's the holistic approach to helping the body heal itself 283 00:23:22,014 --> 00:23:31,114 by just being the channel to allow for what is already innate in someone that may 284 00:23:31,114 --> 00:23:32,374 have got stuck. 285 00:23:32,374 --> 00:23:35,974 And so that's the idea around that and then the communication part, 286 00:23:35,974 --> 00:23:37,534 communication, communication. 287 00:23:37,534 --> 00:23:39,818 So that's what I loved about it, but it also... 288 00:23:39,818 --> 00:23:44,198 only opened up a certain level to me of understanding how to work with the 289 00:23:44,198 --> 00:23:48,038 physical still, the physical body. 290 00:23:48,738 --> 00:23:53,658 And so I came out of that and worked with that cook for quite a long time and loved 291 00:23:53,658 --> 00:24:01,798 it and started to get a sense of how that could apply to the longer term picture. 292 00:24:01,798 --> 00:24:08,238 I realised I was still so, so much more passionate about working from the bigger 293 00:24:08,238 --> 00:24:08,938 vision. 294 00:24:08,938 --> 00:24:12,857 of what health could be like, not just for a person, but for the world. 295 00:24:12,857 --> 00:24:19,218 And that's that sense of seeing evidence of stuff that's not really working that 296 00:24:19,218 --> 00:24:26,318 well in the medical system or seeing what's possible to change around that too. 297 00:24:26,318 --> 00:24:28,088 So I was fascinated about all that. 298 00:24:28,088 --> 00:24:36,258 And as we were leading out of coming out of osteopathy and working with that, I... 299 00:24:36,970 --> 00:24:43,270 started to get a sense of, how can I become a mentor in sort of moving and 300 00:24:43,270 --> 00:24:48,810 breathing well so someone can go away from the treatment room with a plan to not just 301 00:24:48,810 --> 00:24:53,650 have physio exercises, but actually what is it that would bring osteopathic 302 00:24:53,650 --> 00:25:01,130 principles and holistic health principles to a management plan, to a way in which 303 00:25:01,130 --> 00:25:06,590 someone could go away and do it for themselves as much as they can. 304 00:25:07,146 --> 00:25:07,966 So I got into that. 305 00:25:07,966 --> 00:25:13,046 I started to write down all my ideas around that and created a, created, there 306 00:25:13,046 --> 00:25:16,626 was a, my ex partner also developed an autoimmune condition. 307 00:25:16,626 --> 00:25:21,285 I, there was a lot of stress in her life and she suddenly, she suddenly just had 308 00:25:21,285 --> 00:25:25,866 this flare up that happened within a matter of weeks. 309 00:25:25,866 --> 00:25:28,986 And it then grew and grew and grew to the point where she couldn't walk and her 310 00:25:28,986 --> 00:25:32,786 whole hip and knee swelled up and she couldn't work anymore. 311 00:25:32,786 --> 00:25:35,178 And then she was bed bound and. 312 00:25:35,178 --> 00:25:38,138 in chronic pain and inflammation all around her body. 313 00:25:38,138 --> 00:25:41,598 And it just went like this because she started to rest. 314 00:25:41,598 --> 00:25:44,658 She just actually started to stop and rest. 315 00:25:44,918 --> 00:25:50,698 And so that was fascinating from my perspective to go, now I get to work out 316 00:25:50,698 --> 00:25:58,858 how to do some work in how to look at all those things that potentially help with 317 00:25:58,858 --> 00:26:04,818 the self care, self management practices to move, yoga. 318 00:26:04,906 --> 00:26:12,006 and dance and but how do we modify that to someone that has really strong feelings 319 00:26:12,006 --> 00:26:16,766 about how they are or what them how they're moving or when they move they've 320 00:26:16,766 --> 00:26:23,386 got to move gently so it's like the essence of qigong is to is to be gentle 321 00:26:23,386 --> 00:26:28,966 and to let things flow but it wasn't that wasn't it i was like there's something in 322 00:26:28,966 --> 00:26:33,218 there to add and and add to so this 323 00:26:33,290 --> 00:26:38,070 idea that exercise is often is exercise has to be pushing pushing to the limits 324 00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:43,790 and all this sort of stuff and and it's like that can't be that can't be done for 325 00:26:43,790 --> 00:26:49,770 someone that is the chronic pain, chronic fatigue, chronic inflammation, all these 326 00:26:49,770 --> 00:26:52,030 things that can come up for someone. 327 00:26:52,030 --> 00:27:00,210 So how do how do we apply the essence of the Qigong and the yoga to to a sense of a 328 00:27:00,210 --> 00:27:02,051 movement practice? 329 00:27:02,218 --> 00:27:07,438 and a breathing practice that also pushes it a little bit, but not enough, not too 330 00:27:07,438 --> 00:27:07,998 much. 331 00:27:07,998 --> 00:27:11,518 So that's where I came up with something called lymphatic health exercise. 332 00:27:11,518 --> 00:27:16,518 And that was where I've mapped that all out and started to use that for myself, my 333 00:27:16,518 --> 00:27:22,698 own management also, how to modify it for people that, you know, do get achy and 334 00:27:22,698 --> 00:27:26,338 pains if they try to do exercise very quickly. 335 00:27:26,338 --> 00:27:28,586 So there's a, there's a space of... 336 00:27:28,586 --> 00:27:32,806 getting moving in but how do we make it fun and just turn it into what my what I 337 00:27:32,806 --> 00:27:39,226 loved about dancing and you know dancing so there's like the best of you taking 338 00:27:39,226 --> 00:27:43,866 elements of what is already known what is already known it was nothing new about it 339 00:27:43,866 --> 00:27:49,286 it's just a case of how can we apply it to a context of this modern world that is not 340 00:27:49,286 --> 00:27:58,186 just you know Qigong is you know you throw throw words out like that to someone that 341 00:27:58,186 --> 00:28:04,746 doesn't understand it, it won't land as such, but going, hey, it's, you know, 342 00:28:04,746 --> 00:28:08,026 you've got a lymphatic system, you may have heard of that and that helps you 343 00:28:08,026 --> 00:28:09,226 drain your body. 344 00:28:09,226 --> 00:28:10,636 There might be another way in. 345 00:28:10,636 --> 00:28:13,386 So it was just a way of going, what is already there? 346 00:28:13,386 --> 00:28:17,826 What elements can we take and what we can put together that makes it fun and play 347 00:28:17,826 --> 00:28:19,626 around with it and have a go at it. 348 00:28:19,626 --> 00:28:23,846 So that, that's that modality where I was getting into mentorship and I was like, 349 00:28:23,846 --> 00:28:26,569 maybe I could be a coach and around this. 350 00:28:26,666 --> 00:28:31,246 and a mentor, but I had no idea about the life coaching and the performance coaching 351 00:28:31,246 --> 00:28:35,326 elements and all these other ways in which you can coach as well. 352 00:28:35,326 --> 00:28:41,946 And that's where I went down a rabbit hole of all of that coming into the pandemic, 353 00:28:41,946 --> 00:28:43,236 coming out of the pandemic. 354 00:28:43,236 --> 00:28:46,846 So I developed the lymphatic health exercise project through the pandemic 355 00:28:46,846 --> 00:28:48,786 because it was an ideal space to go. 356 00:28:48,786 --> 00:28:52,286 I would already started thinking about it and it was somewhere to go. 357 00:28:52,286 --> 00:28:56,746 Or if someone's isolated and can't get to the gym and they only have their body. 358 00:28:56,746 --> 00:29:05,606 What can we do to do it in limited space, time, budget and capacity to exercise? 359 00:29:05,606 --> 00:29:12,146 So, and also potentially feeling ill as well with all the, you know, viruses 360 00:29:12,146 --> 00:29:13,115 flying about and stuff. 361 00:29:13,115 --> 00:29:18,176 So it was that idea around, it was, I played around with that in the pandemic. 362 00:29:18,176 --> 00:29:22,246 As we came out of that, I was like, okay, let me just start, just learn to be a 363 00:29:22,246 --> 00:29:24,714 coach as well. 364 00:29:24,714 --> 00:29:27,874 I was set up as coaching business and that's where I realised about all the 365 00:29:27,874 --> 00:29:32,014 other coaching modalities and then went through all of that as well. 366 00:29:32,014 --> 00:29:38,554 So coaching, mental fitness training, which is all about helping to defragment 367 00:29:38,554 --> 00:29:47,534 the mind and also step into our human powers that are not present when we feel 368 00:29:47,534 --> 00:29:48,984 stressed or challenged. 369 00:29:48,984 --> 00:29:52,650 So it's how do we apply and bring those to the challenges. 370 00:29:52,650 --> 00:29:57,010 So it's all about mental fitness rather than the physical exercise fitness. 371 00:29:57,030 --> 00:30:02,550 So there's mental fitness, coaching, somatic coaching work, which kind of is in 372 00:30:02,550 --> 00:30:08,970 between the physical and the mental and the emotional, which helps as well. 373 00:30:08,970 --> 00:30:14,730 I got coached in myself in order to be able to start communicating better and 374 00:30:14,730 --> 00:30:20,030 talking and talking my story and being here without all that self judgment and 375 00:30:20,030 --> 00:30:21,990 anxiety around it. 376 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:22,346 So. 377 00:30:22,346 --> 00:30:26,106 As you can see, I'm not the same person I was. 378 00:30:26,186 --> 00:30:34,966 I could have been or I was a while ago through these practices and being coached. 379 00:30:35,286 --> 00:30:39,466 And finally, lead hardcore leadership training was the was the final piece on 380 00:30:39,466 --> 00:30:48,606 that, allowing me to step up and challenge myself even further to go, what's 381 00:30:48,606 --> 00:30:49,156 possible? 382 00:30:49,156 --> 00:30:50,978 And this is what I believe is 383 00:30:51,338 --> 00:30:55,468 where my comfort zone is around what I can do. 384 00:30:55,468 --> 00:30:59,377 So I was learning that and realising now I could just get to do little incremental 385 00:30:59,377 --> 00:31:04,938 pushes on that to expand and share this message further. 386 00:31:05,538 --> 00:31:13,498 So, and then finally, Genius Genesis Mentorship is what I'm going through right 387 00:31:13,498 --> 00:31:19,758 now, which is almost like taking all of that and actually having a way to just put 388 00:31:19,758 --> 00:31:21,642 it into practice. 389 00:31:21,642 --> 00:31:23,062 going forwards. 390 00:31:23,182 --> 00:31:25,802 So there's a lot, I said a lot there. 391 00:31:25,902 --> 00:31:30,462 It's really to boil it down, I call it mental fitness training. 392 00:31:30,462 --> 00:31:33,662 I call it neuro creative. 393 00:31:33,662 --> 00:31:38,112 We haven't even got into the idea around neurodiversity as well. 394 00:31:38,112 --> 00:31:46,342 And that's part of my story around not knowing I was dyslexic until I was 33, 395 00:31:46,342 --> 00:31:49,784 studying osteopathy. 396 00:31:49,784 --> 00:31:53,404 That's a fantastic story, isn't it? 397 00:31:53,404 --> 00:31:57,974 You've dragged yourself up by your bootstraps and gone, hmm, I can't do this, 398 00:31:57,974 --> 00:31:58,724 I'll try that. 399 00:31:58,724 --> 00:32:02,884 So you've taught yourself to a place where you're helping other people. 400 00:32:02,884 --> 00:32:08,864 But describe your vision because it's helping the person, all of them, isn't it? 401 00:32:09,504 --> 00:32:14,344 It's the mental, the spiritual, the heart, the emotion. 402 00:32:14,424 --> 00:32:16,384 It's everything. 403 00:32:16,444 --> 00:32:19,352 Describe your vision for... 404 00:32:19,352 --> 00:32:20,848 how you work with people. 405 00:32:21,194 --> 00:32:22,994 Yeah, thank you. 406 00:32:23,394 --> 00:32:34,014 So the idea is, to put it simply, I like to remind people that we are all creative 407 00:32:34,014 --> 00:32:35,594 our own way. 408 00:32:35,714 --> 00:32:51,152 People consider creativity as a space of the output of what I've created. 409 00:32:51,434 --> 00:32:59,014 And so, you know, we talk about being, I'm not a creative person because I don't know 410 00:32:59,014 --> 00:33:02,234 how to draw or I don't know how to do this. 411 00:33:03,134 --> 00:33:08,914 Whereas if we look at it from a point of view of what thoughts we're having and 412 00:33:08,914 --> 00:33:14,974 beliefs we have will create whatever actions we take and whatever reality we'll 413 00:33:14,974 --> 00:33:21,226 create going forward or how we react to others or our environments or challenges. 414 00:33:21,226 --> 00:33:26,386 All of that is an automatic pattern that's been built up. 415 00:33:27,306 --> 00:33:35,026 And so whether we're conscious of it or unconscious or automatic of it, we are 416 00:33:35,026 --> 00:33:37,606 creating that going forwards. 417 00:33:37,666 --> 00:33:44,886 Everything that's been placed about us in our rooms, our environments, our work that 418 00:33:44,886 --> 00:33:49,546 we've chosen to do, even if you don't feel like we have had much choice in that 419 00:33:49,546 --> 00:33:51,210 matter, it's been... 420 00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:53,710 I've got to do this because of this or because of that. 421 00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:57,010 It's still a sense of. 422 00:33:57,010 --> 00:33:59,290 There is a choice underneath that. 423 00:33:59,290 --> 00:34:04,550 And so when that when we realise we have that choice, we are our choices are 424 00:34:04,550 --> 00:34:05,130 creative. 425 00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:07,130 We are creating our choices. 426 00:34:07,550 --> 00:34:13,010 So within that, I like to just go, yes, we're all creative. 427 00:34:13,130 --> 00:34:18,630 In a sense, so someone can be creative with how they plan their day if they don't 428 00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:20,354 feel like they're creative as in. 429 00:34:20,458 --> 00:34:26,218 get up and sing a song or whatever, but they're much more feeling like they like 430 00:34:26,218 --> 00:34:29,758 to do admin and, you know, do spreadsheets and stuff like that. 431 00:34:29,758 --> 00:34:31,978 That's still a creativity. 432 00:34:31,978 --> 00:34:35,478 That's still what's what the output is of the creativity process. 433 00:34:35,478 --> 00:34:40,058 So whether you like planning or being impulsive or any of that, that's that's 434 00:34:40,058 --> 00:34:44,478 all preference for your creativity processes. 435 00:34:44,478 --> 00:34:49,652 So I like to call it neuro creativity rather than neurodiversity as such. 436 00:34:49,898 --> 00:35:00,908 because it's more of a being in action, not just being a passive observer or a or 437 00:35:00,908 --> 00:35:04,838 a responder, passive responder to the environment. 438 00:35:05,158 --> 00:35:09,678 To make it, to go off on tangents here, but try to come back to the idea that we 439 00:35:09,678 --> 00:35:15,358 can either be, I like to say we can either be disrupting, disruptive creativity. 440 00:35:15,358 --> 00:35:18,922 So that could be something like, this is always happening to me. 441 00:35:18,922 --> 00:35:22,642 and I'm going to respond in the same way because I have to. 442 00:35:23,222 --> 00:35:27,782 And potentially that's causing, you know, sugar addiction or an alcohol addiction or 443 00:35:27,782 --> 00:35:28,192 something. 444 00:35:28,192 --> 00:35:33,052 And that could be a disruptive creative process because it's reactive responding. 445 00:35:33,052 --> 00:35:34,142 I feel bad. 446 00:35:34,142 --> 00:35:38,662 I feel got a hangover and actually I'll just have a drink and then I feel better 447 00:35:38,662 --> 00:35:39,282 again. 448 00:35:39,282 --> 00:35:42,862 But that's causing more health problems. 449 00:35:43,122 --> 00:35:46,282 So, so, so there's a disruptive creative process. 450 00:35:46,282 --> 00:35:48,714 It can also be a... 451 00:35:48,714 --> 00:35:52,564 an aimless creative process, which is I don't know what to do today. 452 00:35:52,564 --> 00:35:53,524 I'm a bit bored. 453 00:35:53,524 --> 00:35:57,254 I'll watch Netflix or that I'll do this and I'll do that. 454 00:35:57,254 --> 00:36:02,474 And I just want to relax today and not not feel stressed or go and do this and see 455 00:36:02,474 --> 00:36:03,334 what this is like. 456 00:36:03,334 --> 00:36:07,894 I've tried this dance class once and get bored of it and go and do something else 457 00:36:07,894 --> 00:36:15,474 and kind of just playing around with ideas or doing things to to to feel all right 458 00:36:15,474 --> 00:36:17,706 and good, but not necessarily. 459 00:36:17,706 --> 00:36:20,706 having a vision or taking it somewhere. 460 00:36:20,706 --> 00:36:25,026 So then they've got functional creativity. 461 00:36:25,026 --> 00:36:33,685 Functional creativity is a sense of when we're in creative flow. 462 00:36:33,685 --> 00:36:39,606 So again, it's not necessarily whether I can write a song in five minutes, but it's 463 00:36:39,606 --> 00:36:40,426 a case of. 464 00:36:40,426 --> 00:36:44,086 When I, when I am writing, if I'm writing, if I suddenly feel like I'm writing a song 465 00:36:44,086 --> 00:36:47,506 and it's going really well and I'm in flow and I'm doing something that I know how to 466 00:36:47,506 --> 00:36:49,416 do, that's creative flow. 467 00:36:49,416 --> 00:36:53,946 If I know how to make a cup of tea really well, the way I like it, and I just go and 468 00:36:53,946 --> 00:36:57,966 do it and I'm doing it and I'm enjoying it, that's creative flow. 469 00:36:57,966 --> 00:37:01,926 So there's a potential functional creativity process to whatever we do. 470 00:37:01,926 --> 00:37:07,066 So whatever we practice and get good at is that functional creativity. 471 00:37:07,836 --> 00:37:10,218 it doesn't matter what we're doing as such is. 472 00:37:10,218 --> 00:37:11,158 there's that sense. 473 00:37:11,158 --> 00:37:16,998 And then there's visionary creativity, which is to either be comfortable or not 474 00:37:16,998 --> 00:37:23,298 comfortable, but consciously moving towards something that we really want to 475 00:37:23,298 --> 00:37:24,978 be making or creating. 476 00:37:24,978 --> 00:37:28,598 And that, that is a sense of neuro creativity. 477 00:37:28,598 --> 00:37:34,838 That's what I like to say is what, what we can use our nervous systems for and use 478 00:37:34,838 --> 00:37:39,210 our bodies for and use our minds and our emotions for even if it's 479 00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:44,550 I don't know how to do that, but I'm gonna work towards it anyway, regardless of 480 00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:50,190 whether I'm judging, whether I'm good at it or not as I go along. 481 00:37:50,330 --> 00:37:55,350 And that's the process that I really like to help people with is those especially 482 00:37:55,350 --> 00:38:02,150 challenged with not feeling like they've fitted in to society, neurodiversity, 483 00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:06,530 neurodivergence, neuro... 484 00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:09,184 Yeah, all those. 485 00:38:09,226 --> 00:38:17,646 elements to I didn't I didn't know that the arm that aren't being in their sense 486 00:38:17,646 --> 00:38:28,226 of flow anymore so creative creative blocks for someone that that wants to get 487 00:38:28,226 --> 00:38:31,986 back into it or is trying to get everything through it daily that isn't 488 00:38:31,986 --> 00:38:37,098 isn't getting into it may have a bad habit instead I'm giving up 489 00:38:37,098 --> 00:38:40,658 Right, I'm going to go and drink some alcohol or drink alcohol whilst I'm being 490 00:38:40,658 --> 00:38:46,978 creative or whatever it is and turn to move towards this less space of disrun 491 00:38:46,978 --> 00:38:51,958 disruptive into visionary because when we have a vision for the world or a vision 492 00:38:51,958 --> 00:38:57,378 for what we want to do and bring to the world, then then then we'll move towards 493 00:38:57,378 --> 00:38:58,478 it regardless. 494 00:38:58,478 --> 00:39:02,598 So we get clear on that first then. 495 00:39:02,658 --> 00:39:05,248 And that's what often we call leaders. 496 00:39:05,248 --> 00:39:06,788 Leaders have vision. 497 00:39:07,242 --> 00:39:11,882 doesn't matter whether they have a good vision or a bad vision for the world, but 498 00:39:11,882 --> 00:39:17,422 they have something that they have, they have an agenda and they have a way to talk 499 00:39:17,422 --> 00:39:21,102 about it in which inspires others to take action. 500 00:39:21,102 --> 00:39:26,802 And that could be for them, for, for, for the ego, or it could be for the greater 501 00:39:26,802 --> 00:39:28,442 good of everyone else. 502 00:39:28,442 --> 00:39:33,232 And, and so that's what a leader, I personally think of a leader is. 503 00:39:33,232 --> 00:39:34,762 So we can all be leaders. 504 00:39:34,762 --> 00:39:37,092 We don't have to be standing on stages to be leader. 505 00:39:37,092 --> 00:39:42,262 We can lead our lives in ways in which shows how humans can evolve in a better 506 00:39:42,262 --> 00:39:45,642 way with a bigger vision that inspires. 507 00:39:46,522 --> 00:39:52,702 So, you know, a mother of three can be an amazing leader that brings up their 508 00:39:52,702 --> 00:40:01,822 children to want to be inspired by and to others going forwards as well. 509 00:40:01,822 --> 00:40:04,266 So that's why I call neuro -creative leadership. 510 00:40:04,266 --> 00:40:16,166 And that's where mental fitness training in order to get there faster. 511 00:40:16,166 --> 00:40:20,036 I love the whole idea of creativity. 512 00:40:20,036 --> 00:40:27,036 I remember at school being laughed at for drawing and my art suffered and I never 513 00:40:27,036 --> 00:40:28,716 thought I was creative. 514 00:40:28,716 --> 00:40:31,206 Yet I was a photographer for a long time. 515 00:40:31,206 --> 00:40:32,466 I took lots of photographs. 516 00:40:32,466 --> 00:40:33,536 I made people wealthy. 517 00:40:33,536 --> 00:40:35,286 I helped businesses. 518 00:40:35,286 --> 00:40:37,436 I did their marketing and stuff like that. 519 00:40:37,436 --> 00:40:39,864 And I didn't think I was creative. 520 00:40:39,864 --> 00:40:44,224 And this is going back to your school right at the beginning. 521 00:40:44,504 --> 00:40:49,644 I didn't fit into that mold of that because I was something different. 522 00:40:49,644 --> 00:40:51,624 But I didn't think I was creative yet. 523 00:40:51,624 --> 00:40:52,884 I was taking photographs. 524 00:40:52,884 --> 00:40:57,274 And then it's only been recently I've realised that I am incredibly creative. 525 00:40:57,274 --> 00:41:01,314 And I love your story about the different types of creativity. 526 00:41:01,314 --> 00:41:06,344 I think that just it's so liberating because people don't think they're 527 00:41:06,344 --> 00:41:09,304 creative because the art teacher said that's rubbish or... 528 00:41:09,304 --> 00:41:12,744 someone said that's rubbish and that just crucifies you. 529 00:41:12,944 --> 00:41:18,164 And yet we are so incredibly creative. 530 00:41:18,444 --> 00:41:24,204 So that story around the different types of creative I think is really uplifting, 531 00:41:24,204 --> 00:41:26,944 really, really empowering for people, especially those who are incredibly 532 00:41:26,944 --> 00:41:32,964 creative but have Emotional Intelligence or "Art Intelligence" or not just your bog 533 00:41:32,964 --> 00:41:36,804 standard intelligence that helps you do maths or English. 534 00:41:36,804 --> 00:41:38,506 Yeah. 535 00:41:38,506 --> 00:41:40,526 Thank you for sharing that. 536 00:41:40,526 --> 00:41:47,426 And yeah, yeah, it's really nice to hear that you've realised that yourself as 537 00:41:47,426 --> 00:41:49,880 well. 538 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:56,200 Yeah, it was an interesting journey to get there because, yeah, it was just, you 539 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,960 know, I'm not creative, I'm stuck, I can't do this, I can't do that. 540 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:07,160 But little by little that, you know, like you said, you start to do something and 541 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,720 somebody tells you something or in your case, you're empowering people, you're 542 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:14,780 helping people and they go, well, I can't draw a straight line, but I can write a 543 00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:16,824 song, I can play music, I can... 544 00:42:16,824 --> 00:42:21,884 I can dance, I can be creative with my movement or with my writing or as a leader 545 00:42:21,884 --> 00:42:26,364 or empower people and that's all creativity and that's just magical. 546 00:42:26,794 --> 00:42:32,654 Yeah, yeah, so that's, I do believe that's the, that's the, that's the, that's one of 547 00:42:32,654 --> 00:42:38,114 the ways in which we can tap into that is to go, what do I want to create? 548 00:42:38,114 --> 00:42:51,788 And what do I want to create today? 549 00:42:51,788 --> 00:42:55,408 to go back a little bit to the idea of the awakening. 550 00:42:55,408 --> 00:43:03,388 I mean, how did you experience discomfort and how were relationships work and things 551 00:43:03,388 --> 00:43:03,938 like that? 552 00:43:03,938 --> 00:43:09,928 How all those impacted as you were having that dark night of the soul, as you were 553 00:43:09,928 --> 00:43:14,468 realising that things weren't working for you and you were beginning to have to 554 00:43:14,468 --> 00:43:16,915 change the way that you showed up in the world. 555 00:43:17,123 --> 00:43:21,893 was only that point that, that, that week that I said that I couldn't sleep so well, 556 00:43:21,893 --> 00:43:23,383 I was still going to work. 557 00:43:23,383 --> 00:43:24,823 I was still operating. 558 00:43:24,823 --> 00:43:28,895 I was operating like, 559 00:43:28,895 --> 00:43:40,535 a zombie that had self -awareness that I was a zombie and that I was just felt like 560 00:43:40,535 --> 00:43:47,834 a slave to whatever emotions were coming up and they were constantly coming up and 561 00:43:47,834 --> 00:43:55,555 I don't even know I don't even know whether anyone could tell that's the 562 00:43:55,555 --> 00:43:58,071 weirdest thing other than 563 00:43:58,111 --> 00:44:02,291 eye was flickering, but even then I don't know whether anyone could tell. 564 00:44:03,251 --> 00:44:09,821 And that's what's really both interesting and slightly scary. 565 00:44:09,821 --> 00:44:17,251 That's what's potentially going on for so many others as well. 566 00:44:17,411 --> 00:44:22,861 That idea that it's like, I'm getting on with it. 567 00:44:22,861 --> 00:44:23,651 I've got to get on with it. 568 00:44:23,651 --> 00:44:25,617 This is what I'm supposed to be doing. 569 00:44:25,911 --> 00:44:28,331 so yeah, I'd be going to, I went to work. 570 00:44:28,331 --> 00:44:32,371 I, it was only that moment after that week or during that week where I was like, I'm 571 00:44:32,371 --> 00:44:33,061 not sleeping. 572 00:44:33,061 --> 00:44:34,391 I've got to tell someone. 573 00:44:34,391 --> 00:44:41,690 I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't consider or know what to do to, to ask for 574 00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:45,211 help or tell anyone else other than my mum. 575 00:44:46,281 --> 00:44:49,991 at that point, which I'm so glad she was there to do that. 576 00:44:49,991 --> 00:44:56,287 However, leading up to all of that, I was like, 577 00:44:56,287 --> 00:45:01,147 In some ways I was able to sense this thoughts and go, I just had that thought 578 00:45:01,147 --> 00:45:05,467 that doesn't, that doesn't seem right at all. 579 00:45:05,467 --> 00:45:11,587 Or, or that I'm, or I'm just having a feeling of, of like every choice that I'm 580 00:45:11,587 --> 00:45:17,227 making now before every choice I was making was getting validation of I'm 581 00:45:17,227 --> 00:45:22,559 raising consciousness, raising awareness, going to a place of. 582 00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,679 everything's going to fall into place, everything's going to be amazing, you 583 00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:31,259 know, getting signs and signs from the universe, synchronicities, things that 584 00:45:31,259 --> 00:45:35,059 it's like, I just said that and that happened, or this, you know, it's like, 585 00:45:35,059 --> 00:45:36,189 wow, this is going to be amazing. 586 00:45:36,189 --> 00:45:41,719 And then, then it all just flip, you know, wasn't like just overnight, but it 587 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:49,799 somehow, somehow that, that event of being rejected. 588 00:45:52,575 --> 00:46:03,195 I guess I was having the same experiences, but my perception of that was that now all 589 00:46:03,195 --> 00:46:06,635 the things that were being validated, the things that are showing up saying you're 590 00:46:06,635 --> 00:46:12,195 on the right path or I'm on a path, here's what you thought, this is what you get, or 591 00:46:12,195 --> 00:46:17,823 all of that kind of coming to me. 592 00:46:17,823 --> 00:46:28,443 was, no, I'm broken or it's not working or I'm going down the wrong route. 593 00:46:29,763 --> 00:46:35,963 So the events were still the same, but my perception of what was going on meant that 594 00:46:35,963 --> 00:46:40,453 I just was in fear of my life. 595 00:46:40,453 --> 00:46:43,343 I was in fear of losing everything. 596 00:46:43,343 --> 00:46:47,543 I was in fear of the... 597 00:46:47,967 --> 00:46:49,786 people hated me. 598 00:46:51,647 --> 00:46:59,927 That's one of the deepest, darkest ones was that whole thing of fear of rejection 599 00:46:59,927 --> 00:47:04,386 to the point of actual, not just, not just, I don't want to know you, but as in, 600 00:47:04,747 --> 00:47:10,507 I want to, you know, make sure that you don't get back up again, you know, kind of 601 00:47:10,507 --> 00:47:10,707 thing. 602 00:47:10,707 --> 00:47:13,417 And that was, that was, that really showed up for me. 603 00:47:13,417 --> 00:47:14,967 So where's that come from? 604 00:47:14,967 --> 00:47:17,663 Only now have I been able to explore that. 605 00:47:17,663 --> 00:47:22,323 because I didn't want to, but I just didn't know how to or that I was I didn't 606 00:47:22,323 --> 00:47:28,603 have that reflection process in place or the understandings that as we moved in as 607 00:47:28,603 --> 00:47:34,643 human consciousness, we've all learning about what coaching is, and what what what 608 00:47:34,643 --> 00:47:42,023 it's good for what is important for or general therapy, or specific therapies, 609 00:47:42,023 --> 00:47:45,403 all of this has its place. 610 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:50,979 And I think it's only just kind of stuff that we can talk about. 611 00:47:50,979 --> 00:47:54,199 So back then it was something that we could talk about. 612 00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:58,259 I've felt kind of lucky that I went through it early, earlier, rather than 613 00:47:58,259 --> 00:48:02,819 maybe some people are going through it now, you know? 614 00:48:03,318 --> 00:48:07,309 So yeah, that's where I was. 615 00:48:07,309 --> 00:48:10,299 I was just operating as best as I could. 616 00:48:10,299 --> 00:48:14,111 And it was only up until I went, okay, I can't. 617 00:48:14,111 --> 00:48:15,751 do this anymore, I've got to disclose it. 618 00:48:15,751 --> 00:48:21,273 That was when I had to sort of like take a break and allow the healing. 619 00:48:27,965 --> 00:48:32,075 You were existing and just rolling on day by day by day. 620 00:48:32,075 --> 00:48:35,855 And then suddenly it was like, now you have to make some choices. 621 00:48:35,855 --> 00:48:37,105 Now you have to change. 622 00:48:37,105 --> 00:48:39,955 And that's when the fear comes in and squashes you. 623 00:48:39,955 --> 00:48:41,775 As you said, there's that rejection. 624 00:48:41,775 --> 00:48:42,545 There's that fear. 625 00:48:42,545 --> 00:48:43,315 I'm not good enough. 626 00:48:43,315 --> 00:48:48,557 I'm broken, which are just words that we keep ourselves small. 627 00:48:48,557 --> 00:48:51,637 And then the universe was saying, you have to change. 628 00:48:51,637 --> 00:48:54,597 You have to step out of that. 629 00:48:54,597 --> 00:48:56,257 As you said, there's choices. 630 00:48:56,257 --> 00:49:01,017 The number of choices gets smaller and smaller and smaller until you're down to 631 00:49:01,017 --> 00:49:05,857 two choices, you know, change or adapt or die simplistically. 632 00:49:06,157 --> 00:49:11,437 But so it's uncomfortable, isn't it, to get to that stage where it's you're 633 00:49:11,437 --> 00:49:15,067 running out of choices, but you always have to. 634 00:49:17,471 --> 00:49:19,151 Definitely. 635 00:49:19,631 --> 00:49:21,461 It's a great way you put that actually. 636 00:49:21,461 --> 00:49:24,931 And I really appreciate again, this space that you've created to be able to talk 637 00:49:24,931 --> 00:49:30,411 about these things, because it's not just what we experience individually, but also 638 00:49:30,411 --> 00:49:35,151 how we create conversations to show that it's normal and okay to talk about these 639 00:49:35,151 --> 00:49:39,211 things and understand that potentially there is a process 640 00:50:15,757 --> 00:50:21,097 You've worked out a process to help people through that. 641 00:50:21,097 --> 00:50:22,637 I wasn't so lucky. 642 00:50:22,637 --> 00:50:25,007 I was unhappy. 643 00:50:25,007 --> 00:50:26,137 I was struggling. 644 00:50:26,137 --> 00:50:27,846 I was, all my clients were useless. 645 00:50:27,846 --> 00:50:30,257 They weren't paying me la la la la la la la. 646 00:50:30,257 --> 00:50:32,617 And I was drinking like a fish. 647 00:50:32,737 --> 00:50:34,847 And I had to come down to that point. 648 00:50:34,847 --> 00:50:37,901 I had to get to that rock bottom. 649 00:50:37,901 --> 00:50:42,121 And then there were the two choices, you know, I chose to get to rehab and to 650 00:50:42,121 --> 00:50:44,081 change my life around. 651 00:50:45,021 --> 00:50:52,101 and if, if we can help people see that they are going down that path, whatever 652 00:50:52,101 --> 00:50:56,961 that path is, not necessarily drinking drugs, but whatever that path is, and 653 00:50:56,961 --> 00:50:59,701 allow them a space to go, Hey, I'm stumbling. 654 00:50:59,701 --> 00:51:00,521 I'm falling. 655 00:51:00,521 --> 00:51:01,741 I'm slipping. 656 00:51:02,221 --> 00:51:05,477 and help them to, you know, give them a hand and help them up. 657 00:51:05,997 --> 00:51:07,507 they haven't got to hit that rock bottom. 658 00:51:07,507 --> 00:51:11,257 They haven't got to get to that point where some people don't make it. 659 00:51:11,257 --> 00:51:15,927 And I think, you know, it's a really important conversation. 660 00:51:15,927 --> 00:51:21,657 It's really important to be able to say, I need help, you know, please help me. 661 00:51:22,057 --> 00:51:24,737 Like you did with your mum, like I did at rehab. 662 00:51:24,737 --> 00:51:28,987 And like, I'm assuming some of your colleagues and your clients do as well. 663 00:51:28,987 --> 00:51:33,297 They reach out to you because of how you share your stories and things. 664 00:51:56,479 --> 00:51:59,959 Well, yeah, that's a really good point. 665 00:51:59,959 --> 00:52:03,999 So just to backtrack ever so slightly, I didn't realise I was dyslexic when I was 666 00:52:03,999 --> 00:52:05,219 33. 667 00:52:05,539 --> 00:52:14,099 The results from school in my teens validated some things and then taught me 668 00:52:14,099 --> 00:52:16,019 to believe I was a certain way. 669 00:52:16,019 --> 00:52:17,519 And then I was frustrated. 670 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:22,339 And then that frustration underneath wasn't necessarily the breakup that was 671 00:52:22,339 --> 00:52:23,539 the rejection piece. 672 00:52:23,539 --> 00:52:25,791 It was just waiting to... 673 00:52:25,791 --> 00:52:31,061 to bring up all of that at some point anyway, that's what I feel anyway. 674 00:52:31,061 --> 00:52:35,651 So it was not necessarily the specific situation, it's what's underlying. 675 00:52:36,111 --> 00:52:44,191 And so not knowing how to, or feeling that I knew how to communicate in a certain way 676 00:52:44,191 --> 00:52:55,651 wasn't realised until it was like, yeah, I get to learn a masters in osteopathy. 677 00:52:55,839 --> 00:53:02,359 and insist on the test, the actual test, I had the mild, I had the small test, and I 678 00:53:02,359 --> 00:53:03,599 come up as mild. 679 00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:09,999 And they said, don't, don't, you know, don't worry about it, because someone 680 00:53:09,999 --> 00:53:13,559 that's neurotypical on a tired day can come up as mild. 681 00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:20,889 So you know, we don't want to spend that extra money on or do that test as such. 682 00:53:20,889 --> 00:53:21,749 That wasn't what they said. 683 00:53:21,749 --> 00:53:25,399 But they said, you know, we don't want to 684 00:53:25,503 --> 00:53:29,723 necessarily do that test because it's not significant enough. 685 00:53:29,723 --> 00:53:31,863 You don't think you need the diagnosis. 686 00:53:31,863 --> 00:53:33,663 And I was like, I really, really do. 687 00:53:33,663 --> 00:53:35,173 I really do want to do the test. 688 00:53:35,173 --> 00:53:36,523 I had to insist twice. 689 00:53:36,523 --> 00:53:42,463 Then when I did, I came up as dyslexic and it's because typically in the past 690 00:53:42,463 --> 00:53:45,183 dyslexia is really apparent. 691 00:53:45,183 --> 00:53:49,703 Before it was very apparent around a particular way in which someone processes 692 00:53:49,703 --> 00:53:50,751 or, or 693 00:53:50,751 --> 00:53:55,531 Or, or, and as I don't like the word dysfunction as such around these ideas, 694 00:53:55,531 --> 00:53:59,531 because it's, it's, it starts to get into a place of, well, this is the way 695 00:53:59,531 --> 00:54:00,771 something should be. 696 00:54:00,771 --> 00:54:05,431 Therefore, if you're not doing it that way, then, then, then that's classed as 697 00:54:05,431 --> 00:54:06,131 wrong. 698 00:54:06,131 --> 00:54:12,651 Again, it's the same as like, you know, studying a subject and then going, well, 699 00:54:12,651 --> 00:54:16,211 there's someone else that can show that they can do that subject in that 700 00:54:16,211 --> 00:54:17,891 particular way. 701 00:54:18,783 --> 00:54:23,863 and show their knowledge in a way in which is all what is perceived as intelligent by 702 00:54:23,863 --> 00:54:24,983 speaking it. 703 00:54:24,983 --> 00:54:28,113 Because they practiced that and they know how to do that. 704 00:54:28,113 --> 00:54:32,523 Whereas I hadn't practiced speaking or thinking in that way. 705 00:54:32,523 --> 00:54:37,923 I've been, what I've realised now is that I've had a much more intuitive way of 706 00:54:37,923 --> 00:54:43,743 feeling into things and I feel what something will be like. 707 00:54:43,743 --> 00:54:47,615 And I can feel, I feel an idea. 708 00:54:47,615 --> 00:54:54,535 I can feel into what an idea is like, not how I can put it into words, which meant 709 00:54:54,535 --> 00:54:59,575 that I could understand high level concepts of stuff, but frustrated that I 710 00:54:59,575 --> 00:55:02,095 couldn't explain I knew anything about it. 711 00:55:02,095 --> 00:55:09,115 It was just so frustrating to sit in conversation and hear people talking about 712 00:55:09,115 --> 00:55:11,515 stuff and going, yep, yep, yep, I understand that. 713 00:55:11,515 --> 00:55:12,319 Or some... 714 00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:15,819 expert talking about something and going well that makes total sense and I can see 715 00:55:15,819 --> 00:55:18,779 how if you do that with this thing you could do it with that thing and create 716 00:55:18,779 --> 00:55:26,779 that thing just as easily and but not knowing how to describe it so so so with 717 00:55:26,779 --> 00:55:34,699 that sense I'm much more into the idea that you know neurodiverse people or 718 00:55:34,699 --> 00:55:41,619 neurodivergent people have felt like a certain way and they 719 00:55:42,343 --> 00:55:46,113 fighting against that, like they can be, they can be who they want. 720 00:55:46,113 --> 00:55:48,003 They're just sensitive in different ways. 721 00:55:48,003 --> 00:55:52,603 And so that's what I'm interested in is I'm not saying that I can help all 722 00:55:52,603 --> 00:55:54,213 neurodiverse people as such. 723 00:55:54,213 --> 00:55:58,903 It's just a case of whoever resonates with what I, what I can do is I'm much more 724 00:55:58,903 --> 00:56:03,623 interested in helping those that where, where the, where they've, they're going 725 00:56:03,623 --> 00:56:07,003 through or gone through similar pathways to the way I've gone through. 726 00:56:07,003 --> 00:56:11,743 So it's being hypersensitive, scattered, scattered thoughts or focus. 727 00:56:11,743 --> 00:56:15,682 great ideas but unable to explain them. 728 00:56:17,683 --> 00:56:22,983 But potentially being perfectionist about it, not wanting to be criticized or judged 729 00:56:22,983 --> 00:56:26,133 around it until it's something that is worthwhile doing. 730 00:56:26,133 --> 00:56:31,163 When you get to that point, it's always the next thing that could be better. 731 00:56:31,163 --> 00:56:34,423 And so it's like actually... 732 00:56:34,687 --> 00:56:39,107 It doesn't have to be about actually just releasing something perfect or releasing 733 00:56:39,107 --> 00:56:39,347 it. 734 00:56:39,347 --> 00:56:42,177 It's just a case of actually getting on with it and feeling satisfied. 735 00:56:42,177 --> 00:56:49,207 What is satisfaction and what is success look like from not from anywhere else, but 736 00:56:49,207 --> 00:56:52,407 from just in here and then working on that. 737 00:56:52,407 --> 00:56:57,427 So, so I help what I call heart centered creative professionals, because maybe 738 00:56:57,427 --> 00:56:59,427 there's a lot within that. 739 00:56:59,427 --> 00:57:04,063 It's before I was talking about neurodivergence as such, but. 740 00:57:04,063 --> 00:57:11,283 that can sometimes be a bit of a trap to go down because it's too specific or what 741 00:57:11,283 --> 00:57:16,123 some may not know that they are neurodivergent or some people may know. 742 00:57:16,483 --> 00:57:21,983 And actually I feel like it's really about sensing the world and feeling into it. 743 00:57:21,983 --> 00:57:27,663 Some people are much more rational up here and can think in language and process in 744 00:57:27,663 --> 00:57:30,815 language or some people can visualise really well. 745 00:57:30,815 --> 00:57:32,945 I'm not really visualising that much. 746 00:57:32,945 --> 00:57:37,195 I can picture things I've already seen, but not things that I've already, that 747 00:57:37,195 --> 00:57:39,515 I've not seen so well. 748 00:57:39,515 --> 00:57:43,955 So, whereas you can tell that other artists can just dream up a picture in 749 00:57:43,955 --> 00:57:45,115 their mind and then draw it. 750 00:57:45,115 --> 00:57:46,565 That's why it looks so amazing. 751 00:57:46,565 --> 00:57:50,095 It's like, how do you, I was like, like, don't know how someone can do that because 752 00:57:50,095 --> 00:57:51,875 I don't visualise it. 753 00:57:51,875 --> 00:57:53,235 I can sense into it. 754 00:57:53,235 --> 00:57:54,005 I can feel into it. 755 00:57:54,005 --> 00:57:58,595 But then that's great because I can sense, you know, things that other people can't 756 00:57:58,595 --> 00:57:59,515 sense. 757 00:57:59,715 --> 00:58:00,895 So, so. 758 00:58:00,895 --> 00:58:06,775 It's the case of we can all work together in some way to, to come up with ideas from 759 00:58:06,775 --> 00:58:13,075 our own ways in which we perceive and feel into things or see into things or think 760 00:58:13,075 --> 00:58:14,095 into things. 761 00:58:14,095 --> 00:58:19,115 So my picture is heart -centered created because a heart is about sensing and 762 00:58:19,115 --> 00:58:26,215 feeling as such feeling into it, but not necessarily confined to that as well. 763 00:58:26,255 --> 00:58:30,911 So, so, so heart -centered created professionals who are struggling with 764 00:58:30,911 --> 00:58:41,191 scattered focus or choosing what they really want to create and that are 765 00:58:41,191 --> 00:58:46,371 potentially struggling with perfectionism to actually get what they want out in the 766 00:58:46,371 --> 00:58:52,651 world whether it's for themselves or as a side project or as a next level career 767 00:58:52,651 --> 00:58:59,999 change and really the ideal person is 768 00:58:59,999 --> 00:59:03,959 is that person that wants to get out of what they want. 769 00:59:04,779 --> 00:59:14,339 What they want to step into, you know, from working potentially in a space of, 770 00:59:14,339 --> 00:59:18,119 I'm doing this over and over again, I feel like I'm doing it because I should be 771 00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:18,579 doing it. 772 00:59:18,579 --> 00:59:24,179 It could be working for someone else or it could be just, you know, left to your own 773 00:59:24,179 --> 00:59:24,649 devices. 774 00:59:24,649 --> 00:59:28,703 It can be, again, something that means that we don't. 775 00:59:28,703 --> 00:59:34,623 release that project or release that thing just for the self or for a business. 776 00:59:34,623 --> 00:59:36,543 So that's the idea. 777 00:59:37,083 --> 00:59:42,103 And how to lead training to mental fitness and training into how to lead that 778 00:59:42,103 --> 00:59:42,843 process. 779 00:59:42,843 --> 00:59:47,533 Pick a project to work on and just work on something simple to start with. 780 00:59:47,533 --> 00:59:52,403 Work on something simple over 12 weeks just to create a project that means 781 00:59:52,403 --> 00:59:57,215 something that isn't just a case of get back into creativity process but... 782 00:59:57,215 --> 01:00:01,695 creative process with that vision recreativity mind, what is important to 783 01:00:01,695 --> 01:00:07,165 hear and what could make the world, not necessarily a better place, but inspire, 784 01:00:07,165 --> 01:00:13,195 inspire the world with that project through a sense of the creativity process 785 01:00:13,195 --> 01:00:17,549 and then committing to it and making it happen. 786 01:00:17,549 --> 01:00:19,149 I love that Rory. 787 01:00:19,149 --> 01:00:26,309 I think that's fantastic because you're encouraging people to be creative and 788 01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:29,729 curious and you have to be curious. 789 01:00:29,729 --> 01:00:34,399 And it's vision, not belief as well, isn't it? 790 01:00:34,399 --> 01:00:35,809 It's not belief in right or wrong. 791 01:00:35,809 --> 01:00:43,689 It's a vision that I can improve, I can change and my ideas might be able to be 792 01:00:43,689 --> 01:00:44,359 expanded on. 793 01:00:44,359 --> 01:00:45,325 So it's a... 794 01:00:45,325 --> 01:00:49,525 positive mindset and it's growth, but it's curious. 795 01:00:49,525 --> 01:00:54,905 And I think curiosity is so important and it does mean you've got to be vulnerable. 796 01:00:54,905 --> 01:00:57,305 You've got to say, hmm, that didn't work. 797 01:00:57,305 --> 01:01:02,125 And if you're working with perfectionists, I guess that's tough for them. 798 01:01:02,385 --> 01:01:04,079 Yeah. 799 01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:15,759 Yeah, as the perfectionists in the world get things done in outstanding ways to the 800 01:01:15,759 --> 01:01:23,319 sense of the even when we get there, we're already criticizing, it's like fear of 801 01:01:23,319 --> 01:01:27,379 criticism, but it's actually already criticizing inside, isn't it? 802 01:01:27,379 --> 01:01:32,927 So that sense of, can I just put it out there the best I can? 803 01:01:32,927 --> 01:01:39,207 is one thing, but also how does it represent something that I can, the ego 804 01:01:39,207 --> 01:01:44,807 can let go of as well to allow it to not be criticising, to get out of their own 805 01:01:44,807 --> 01:01:52,107 ways, just go I'm going to create this for a reason and the reason is bigger than my 806 01:01:52,107 --> 01:02:01,151 inner critic or the criticism that I could make up or that someone else could say. 807 01:02:01,151 --> 01:02:05,891 I think that's the key to it, is to actually make it something so inspiring 808 01:02:05,891 --> 01:02:11,331 that it really doesn't matter. 809 01:02:11,371 --> 01:02:13,431 In itself. 810 01:02:14,509 --> 01:02:16,929 I think you've nailed it. 811 01:02:16,929 --> 01:02:19,769 It doesn't matter in itself is the one, isn't it? 812 01:02:19,769 --> 01:02:23,549 I mean, plenty of writers and artists have said, do it for yourself. 813 01:02:23,549 --> 01:02:26,349 Don't do it with an expectation. 814 01:02:26,389 --> 01:02:30,029 I mean, we all know expectations are disastrous. 815 01:02:30,029 --> 01:02:33,589 That's stacking up resentments. 816 01:02:33,629 --> 01:02:35,349 I think you're spot on. 817 01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:40,269 We can create, and if we're going to do it with, I want it to be a success, I want it 818 01:02:40,269 --> 01:02:43,853 this, if we put limitations on it, 819 01:02:43,853 --> 01:02:48,073 it may well get limited, but if we're gonna be broad minded enough to say, 820 01:02:48,073 --> 01:02:53,673 right, I'm creating something and off it goes, I've done the best I can, and that's 821 01:02:53,673 --> 01:02:54,653 gonna be good enough. 822 01:02:54,653 --> 01:02:59,871 I think that's where the magic happens. 823 01:02:59,871 --> 01:03:02,711 Yeah, definitely. 824 01:03:09,468 --> 01:03:10,928 Where can people find you? 825 01:03:10,928 --> 01:03:13,064 Where can we find you on social media and things? 826 01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:22,890 yeah, so I'm, I go by the name of Rory Lemon Aid, AID to health, as all one word. 827 01:03:22,890 --> 01:03:28,730 So I, I, that's where I, it can be found on many of the social media platforms and 828 01:03:28,730 --> 01:03:31,874 also my lemonaid .xyz website. 829 01:04:46,138 --> 01:04:47,268 Cool, thank you. 830 01:04:47,268 --> 01:04:49,038 And one last question. 831 01:04:49,038 --> 01:04:56,398 What do you think has been the most transformative gift that you have received 832 01:04:56,398 --> 01:04:59,684 in your awakening? 833 01:04:59,684 --> 01:05:02,144 It's a wonderful question. 834 01:05:02,544 --> 01:05:12,836 And I think, I think it's a sense of. 835 01:05:12,836 --> 01:05:18,780 The two words that come up for me is appreciation. 836 01:05:18,780 --> 01:05:28,740 because when I've now been able to appreciate where I've come from and where 837 01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:33,280 I want to go and how I want to appreciate or what I want things to appreciate and I 838 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,480 like that appreciation because it's kind of like this kind of growth element to it 839 01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:44,180 an idea around if someone appreciates it then and that's great or but I get to 840 01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:47,000 appreciate it too and 841 01:05:48,196 --> 01:05:51,156 And it's a sense of gratitude comes from that. 842 01:05:51,156 --> 01:05:53,796 It's like a core piece. 843 01:05:54,036 --> 01:05:58,896 And it stems from that whole thing of what else is possible. 844 01:05:58,896 --> 01:06:02,216 That's the curiosity of what else is possible. 845 01:06:02,216 --> 01:06:11,376 If that happened and I can now learn and grow from it, I'm able to appreciate it. 846 01:06:11,376 --> 01:06:14,888 What else becomes possible through appreciation. 847 01:07:00,466 --> 01:07:02,306 Brilliant, thank you ever so much. 848 01:07:02,306 --> 01:07:04,616 Well, it's been super having you on the podcast. 849 01:07:04,616 --> 01:07:06,266 Thank you ever so much. 850 01:07:06,266 --> 01:07:10,314 And yeah, I will let you know when we go live, so thank you. 851 01:07:10,340 --> 01:07:12,660 Thank you, Hamish, for everything you're doing with this. 852 01:07:12,660 --> 01:07:15,380 Because again, like I mentioned at the start, it's so important to have these 853 01:07:15,380 --> 01:07:16,560 conversations. 854 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:26,480 And it just goes to show that it all brings about when people hear it, when we 855 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,540 listen to these things and we associate where we've been and where we've come 856 01:07:30,540 --> 01:07:38,260 from, it really makes a big difference to what is possible with the human race going 857 01:07:38,260 --> 01:07:39,440 forwards. 858 01:07:40,388 --> 01:07:43,906 as human consciousness is evolving. 859 01:07:43,922 --> 01:07:45,202 Absolutely. 860 01:07:45,382 --> 01:07:46,582 Yeah. 861 01:07:46,662 --> 01:07:47,482 Brilliant. 862 01:07:47,482 --> 01:07:50,638 Thank you very so much. 863 01:07:51,420 --> 01:07:55,000 Thank you for listening to this episode of The Crucible, Conversations for the 864 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:55,780 Curious. 865 01:07:55,780 --> 01:07:59,380 If these powerful stories of transformation resonated with you, be sure 866 01:07:59,380 --> 01:08:03,360 to like, subscribe and share this show with anyone who you think could do with a 867 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,360 dose of inspiration for their own journey. 868 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,620 I would really appreciate it if you could make any comments on your favourite 869 01:08:08,620 --> 01:08:11,940 podcast platform as well, that helps me reach more people. 870 01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:15,400 All the important links and information are in the show notes below. 871 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,484 Thank you very much for listening and catch up with you soon.