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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Good morning, Hey,

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good morning. Hey. My name
is Chris, this is Jeff. We're

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the Bible Guys, and we just
think that you are our privileged guests.

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You're the honored guest today. That's
right, that's right. Well, you

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make it worthwhile, that's right.
That's why we get up and come into

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the studio. Yes to this studio. That's right. Well, hey,

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today we're going to kick off one
of my favorite segments, yes, which

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is Dad Joe Competition. Okay,
so how about if I I'll just go

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since you start, I've just got
it. Okay, dead joke competitions.

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Here, here goes. And these
are these are important. We take them

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seriously. So I've never I've not
read these, so I'm reading them as

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i'm reading them. Okay, okay, what do you call it? Excuse

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me? What do you call it? When Batman skips Church? I don't

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know, Christian Bale? No,
oh no, terrible, now not laughing.

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I'm gonna refuse the smile on that
one. That's sort of clever,

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though, it's clever clever. What
do you call a lonely cheese alone alone?

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Yep? Oh, that's funny.
Okay, okay, when your wife

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Christian Bale, Yeah you ready,
when your wife comes home in a white

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suit, covered in beastings and smelling
like honey, you know she's a keeper.

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Oh no, oh no, have
we done this one before. Once

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upon a time there was a king
who was only twelve inches tall. I

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don't think it was a terrible king, but made a great ruler. Oh

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geez, I've not done that's the
best one. That's the best one.

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That's really recently. Somebody gave me
a dead joke thing and I think that

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was in that one. So that's
funny. Yeah, okay, ready.

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I saw a man standing on one
leg at an a TM. Confused,

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I asked him what he was doing. He said, just checking my balance.

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Oh no, it's noble. No
laughing at that one either. You're

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over today. Let me just say, okay, why did Adele cross the

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road? I don't know to say
hello from the other side. Oh my

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word, wow, I thought you'd
appreciate that one. Yes, I mean

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yeah, yeah, Adele a concert? Did you I did? I believe

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you? I believe you Okay,
what the what are the last what are

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the last two concerts? You went
to? Adele and uh Lady Gaga?

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Oh no, oh no, I
shouldn't have asked that question. Hey,

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I got news for you. I've
been to a lot of concerts. I

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know you have. Lady Gaga was
one of the best concerts I've ever seen

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in my life. Okay, she's
a performer, buddy, Okay, all

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right, here we go. Number
four. I smeared some ketchup all over

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my face. No, sorry,
I smeared some ketchup all over my eyes

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once. It was a bad idea
in hindsight. Oh geez. Okay,

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that's your best one so far.
Why do bananas need to use sunscreen?

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Why? Because they peel? Oh? That was pretty bad, weren't weren't?

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It was pretty bad. Okay,
that's my worst one. Okay,

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that's my worst one. What would
the terminator be called in his retirement?

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I don't know, the ex terminator
ex terminator? Okay, I like that

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one. That's clever. That's a
clever one. See turn on words.

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It's funny. What do you call
the knight who loves to scare people?

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I don't know. Surprise, Oh, my word surprise. That's rough.

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Rough, Yeah, when you have
to, when you don't laugh, but

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you're going it's funny, though it's
not that funny, Okay, all right.

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I usually don't laugh out loud at
most of these. Yeah, I

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just I just enjoy them. Yeah, I like the twelve inch talk king.

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He was a terrible king, made
a great ruler. It's funny.

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Yeah. You can picture people picking
him up and using it as a ruler.

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That's that's funny, chasing him around. But that was a quick segment,

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okay, yeah, yeah, yeaheah. And so today we're going to

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start a brand new passage and Matthew, well, in terms of you know,

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it's not parallel, we're not a
continuation. We ended that last week

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and it's Matthew twenty five one through
forty six. Wow, that's a lot

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of verses. It's uh, I
have here twenty five, thirty one through

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forty six. Oh, you're right, I didn't see the three. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's thirty one through forty
six. Yes, so that's not

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nearly as. No, not even
Jeff. We don't have to listen to

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Jeff Reid forty six versas. By
the way, that is thirty less versus

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than what I thought. Yes,
it's a good thing. I'm here,

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folks. Yes, yeah. Otherwise
it's early. This is this is nine

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am. That's right. We just
walked in drinking my coffee. It's it's

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it's rare that Chris is wanting to
read more Bible verses. Right, so

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we'll tell everybody why because you hate
the Bible. That is not why.

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No, no, that's no implication. That's what people thought when you said

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it. It's because you have to
decide what the tackle in a twenty minute

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podcast. That's right, it is. It's so hard. So I'm just

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joking. Chris loves the Bible.
That's why you do this show, right,

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That's exactly right. Okay, So
Matthew thirty one through forty six one

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of my favorite passages on what kind
of life should I be living? Right?

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This is one of my favorite passages. So here's what it says.

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But when the Son of Man comes
in his glory and all the angels with

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him, then he will sit upon
his glorious throne. All the nations will

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be gathered in his presence, and
he will separate the people as a shepherd

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separates the sheep from the goats.
He'll place the sheep at his right hand

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and the goats at his left.
Then the King will say to those on

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his right, come you, who
are blessed by my father inherit the kingdom

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prepared for you from the creation of
the world. For I was hungry and

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you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink.

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I was a stranger and you invited
me into your home. I was naked,

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you gave me clothing. I was
sick and you cared for me.

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I was in prison and you visited
me. Then these righteous ones will reply,

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Lord, when do we ever see
you hungry and feed you are thirsty

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and give you something a drink,
or a stranger and show you hospitality,

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or naked and give you clothing.
When do we ever see you sick or

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in prison and visit you? The
King will say, I tell you the

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truth. When you did it to
one of the least of these my brothers

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and sisters, you were doing it
to me. Then the King turned to

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those on the left and say,
away with you, you cursed ones,

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into the eternal fire prepared for the
devil and his demons. For I was

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hungry, you didn't feed me.
I was thirsty and you didn't give me

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a drink. I was a stranger
and you didn't give it, invite me

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into your home. I was naked
and you didn't give me clothing. I

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was sick and in prison, you
didn't visit me. Then they'll reply,

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Lord, when do we ever see
you hungry or thirsty, a stranger,

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or naked or sick or in prison? I help you, and he'll answer,

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I tell you the truth when you
refuse to help the least of these

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my brothers and sisters, you were
refusing to help me, And they'll go

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away into eternal punishment, but the
righteous will go into eternal life. Wow,

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this is one of those passages that
can really get you thinking that he's

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stressing that good works gets you to
heaven. I mean that that is obviously

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the first There's no way that anybody
can read that and not think that immediately.

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Sure, in my opinion, Right, do you want to tackle that?

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Yes? Go ahead? Well,
I mean, first of all,

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it's a parallel, it's it's a
metaphor, right, So he's talking about

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lifestyles and oftentimes what he would would, what Jesus would do, and he's

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done it. Actually whereas he classifies
gentiles. And what he does is he's

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not classifying like individuals. He's not
saying Peter or Bobby or you know,

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lair, He's not saying those things. He says, well, you know,

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if you live like and he'll he'll
use a class of people. You

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know, if you live like those, anybody who lives like that surely will

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not inherit the Kingdom of God.
And on the surface, you'll say,

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well, wait a minute, that
means that if I do those things,

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I'll not inherit the Kingdom of God. But that's not what he's saying.

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He's saying that people who live their
entire lives because he's classifying an entire people

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group, and he's saying people live
their entire lives and and uh, don't

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have a heart change or refuses to
do the refuse to do these things,

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or live like pagans, and they
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die, which is what the gentiles, by the way, we're known for.

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Right that he's he's saying that that
way will not get you to heaven.

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He's saying that that lifestyle in general
will not get you to heaven,

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and that that is that is what
I learned. And so again he's he's

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he's not talking about individuals, he's
not talking about specific deeds getting you into

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heaven. He's saying that, you
know. The metaphor is, uh,

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you know a class of people,
and the class of people who live their

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entire lives and in this case die
eventually come in front of the Lord.

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And and what he's really saying is
he's saying, there's no heart change,

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there's no repentance, there's no kindness. You lived your whole life obviously without

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me, and therefore we're going to
say, depart from me, for I

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never knew you. And then,
of course, you know, those who

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did have compassion, they have compassion
for one reason, because Christians do.

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Christians are the ones who have the
heart changes. And that's not every time,

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that's not true every time, but
for the most part, the class

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of Christians, right, are the
ones who have taken care of the world.

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So James, the author of the
Book of James, was Jesus brother,

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and James whole book kind of is
built around this this idea. Right,

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So James says, some people say, we'll talk about their faith without

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works, but I'm going to prove
my faith by my works, right,

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right, Jesus said the great the
two greatest commandments love God, and the

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same is like or the second is
like it, love your neighbor as yourself.

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Right. So, Jesus is saying, you can't separate love for others

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from your faith in God and your
love for God. Right, James is

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saying, Dude, you talk about
it all day long, but it doesn't

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prove anything. You prove your faith
in God by the deeds that you do.

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And it would be the same thing
here because you're a Christian, you

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would a real Christian, you'd really
do these things. Pretenders don't, right,

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right. Pretenders live self centered lives. Pretenders really don't love God with

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all of their heart and all of
their soul and all of their mind and

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all of their strength. Pretenders don't
love their neighbor as themselves. Pretenders tend

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to like like the words Jesus said, boy, those make me feel warm

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and fuzzy. I love that.
Wouldn't that just be wonderful if people actually

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did some of those things. That's
what pretenders do, as opposed to Jesus

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going, actually, when it's all
done, you're actually going to be judged

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by that. That's it. You
want what you can be judged by it.

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So, but that's not the gospel, right, servant feeding hungry people,

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that's not the salvation based gospel.
Jesus already said the kingdom of Heaven

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is nearly repent of your sins and
turned to God. That's what Jesus said.

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The gospel was right. So the
good news salvation is you repent of

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your sins, you turn to God. Right, because God's kingdom is here.

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But then his kingdom is a part
of the gospel, and his kingdom

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is that now his priests, that's
you and me, his holy nation.

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They go and because they've been changed
by Jesus, they visit the sick,

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they care for the hungry, they
clothe the naked, right, And so

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it's not for it's because of and
one of the proofs. Do you remember

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when Jesus said, by their fruit
you will know them. Yeah, right,

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this is what he's saying here.
So if you want to just separate

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the pretenders from the real followers of
Jesus, just look at how they live.

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Lots of people go to church,
lots of people say Jesus words,

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but they don't actually live a life
that is love God and loving others,

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and so this is one of those
things. So we know, based on

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everything else Jesus said about how to
go to heaven, that you're not getting

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to heaven because you went to the
prison and visited somebody, right, right,

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And just like James says, faith
doesn't require works to get to heaven,

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but what he is saying is true. Faith will always have always produce

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works. It was always produce works. It always produced fruit. Right.

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Well, so when Jesus said you
know by their fruits, you'll know them.

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Orange trees produce oranges, right period, right, and inter fact,

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I remember that one time we were
reading a while back and Jesus comes up

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to figree there's no fruit. He
gets mad and he curses. It is

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never going to bear fruit again.
Jesus expects fruit, not that he's hoping

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for fruit. He expects it.
And then and then whatever the tree is

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is going to produce that kind of
fruit. So if everything that my body

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produces, everything that my life produces, is always bad, and I'm never

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living for others, I'm never serving
others, well then guess what, Maybe

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I'm not producing the kind of fruit
that real repent produces right, So movie

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movie quote, you will always get
a peach. You may wish for an

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orange, but you will always get
a peach. It sounds like Kung Fu

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Panda. It is ka. I
mean it's not exact quote, but it

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was really close to the Holy Cow, I can't believe you got it.

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Well. So so that sounds to
me like like a master teaching a student.

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Yah yeah yeah yeah. And then
I know that probably you've watched more

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cartoons than actual kung fume. No
that's not why. That is not why

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you guessed because you know. No, No, that's that's not true.

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I didn't know it. Yeah,
it was so funny. You've you've never

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seen it. I've seen Kung Fu
Panda. I just didn't know that.

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Okay, okay, that that was
the phrase, and I remember uh uh

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me Shu says, yes, but
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grabs that seed throws in the ground. Okay. Yeah, it's really funny,

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good good movie. That's hysterical.
So hey, I'm just proud of

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you that you got one. It
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you. So hey, so let's
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churches seem to some well, let
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I think that there are not enough
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Right, So, there was there
was a book that I read called

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have you ever Heard of the Hole
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forget who the author sterns okay,
and I read that he was the former

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CEO or president of World Vision.
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yep, that sounds right. And
basically what he's saying is the hole

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in our gospel is is that,
you know, Jesus over and over talks

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about, you know, doing these
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these, and and sometimes in our
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the responsibility of doing so. Right, So, and it really is truly

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convicting because you know, you think
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bit. Why why doesn't the church
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this, so don't take too much
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it's because we've gravitated toward letting our
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yeah, I think that's a big
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and I think that I think that
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would say, hey, that's you
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Brown starfish illustration, remember, which
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starfish back and there's thousands on the
shore and Lina says, you can't save

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them all, and he says,
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right, right, And so maybe
it seems overwhelming. Yeah, we

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feel like the little bit we do
doesn't matter, right, right, Yeah,

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that's right. Yeah, I think
that Here's here's my strong opinion about

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this. I think if you pulled
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Hair to church this weekend, four
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should feed naked people. The church
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naked people should feed hungry people.
The church should visit people in prison and

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should take care of the sick.
They should, right, And what they

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mean is the teacher on stage should
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do that. And it's because the
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the church, we tend to believe
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benefits from the ministry of the clergy, and as opposed to talk about a

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Western mindset. Yeah, as opposed
to a gifts based faith and a gifts

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based church. The Bible says,
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New Testament mentions depends on which lists
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there's a spiritual gift of leadership,
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There's also a spiritual gift of mercy, and there's a spiritual gift of

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helps And now what we know,
based on a lot of research and based

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on basically how the Bible talks,
there seems to be a narrow number of

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gifted Bible teachers. Right, there's
a narrow number a smaller number of gifted

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spiritually gifted leaders. That's why you
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have a couple of leaders, right, That's why, because God does it.

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So then the flip side of that
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of Christians do have a heart for
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do that thing. You know,
why because you're probably gifted to be the

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one to do it. But what
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the church to do it. That's
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as opposed to understanding you are the
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If you're following Jesus, you are
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church, right, you are the
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many how many leaders do you need
in an organization just a couple? How

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many people to do the work of
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rest? All the rest? Right, So it's not about so people talk

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about going to a church service and
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us there you go right right,
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no, no, no, you
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you are here for the world.
So if the church people would say it

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would not wait for somebody to go
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go nobody's doing, I'll go to
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Instead of the seat of the people
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you should You should open up a
bigger food pantry instead of that, how

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about just feed hungry people because every
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of budget. You don't have to
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prison. You don't have to be
wealthy to go visit the sick. You

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don't have to be super rich to
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doesn't have a jacket, right,
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that. So, so he does
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or those that have more. Instead
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of things. And so when the
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waiting around for an organized ministry to
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then though the world will change,
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So that's my my little soapbox.
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that's actually a hard thing to learn. When I went to church for quite

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a while, you know, I
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going to church when I was like
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then I would say I was in
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I understand the priesthood of every believer. You know, the idea that like

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every every person is a pastor and
a minister, right and and so you

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know, the idea that like ministry
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something that was necessarily talked about,
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part of. Uh. We we
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and it was it was actually the
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pastor as the person who should do
everything. He should go to the hospital,

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right, he should he should lead
the church. You know, so

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we expect to be a leader,
a good business mind person, a good

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speaker, a good counselor. Right. I have all the time in the

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world to mary Berry and visit people, you know, all these different things,

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and it's like that's impossible, which
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You know, even in even in
the leadership structure, when he says and

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Ephesians to some of you get into
somebody gave the gift of apostleship to some

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profits, to some evangelists, to
some pastors, some teachers. Uh,

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you know, even in that leadership
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pastors only operate in the top two
right, right, right, I mean

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like maybe three maybe, right,
but you need another staff member to come

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up on your last two so you
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apest, yeah test, right because
they used to ask for the word shepherd

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as opposed to pastor. And uh
so the eper or the apest shows that

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I am a teacher first, then
I'm an evangelist, and then I'm an

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apostle, right, and then i
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no, then I'm prophet, then
I'm pastor. So pastor, which

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is the gift who cares is actually
my fifth out of five? It's mine

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too, Yeah, but you know
your order. Yeah, it's apostolic first,

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evangelist, yeah, evangelist second,
teacher third, and then prophet and

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then pastor. Okay, oh no, no, profit, profit is fourth,

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is third? Oh, prophets first, teacher, teacher fourth, Okay.

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So yeah, so so that is
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you and I compliment each other.
Yeah, at the same time we're sort

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of in the same vein though,
right, because our bottom two are going

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to be Yeah, but that's why
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that's right, right, is we
make up where others have deficits and

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then they make up where we have
deficits, not staff, just the church

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in general, all the people in
general. So anyways, hey, look

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for somebody to feed this week.
You're looking for a ministry, Go start

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visiting. Find out how to start
visiting in the in the jail. If

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you live in our county, Macomb
County, Michigan. One of the guys

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that at Heritage Churches is one of
the key leaders at the county jail.

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You know, you want to start
visiting and serving. He can help that.

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Bill is my friend. Let us
know. You can visit in the

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hospital, you can clothe people,
right, That's that's important. So yeah,

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so that's great. And so obviously
Jesus is commanding us talking about you

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know, think about it. If
you think that maybe the task is too

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great, and you think that maybe
it's too overwhelming, and you think that

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nobody's seeing you and you're not making
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I see you every time. Well, he says, when you do it,

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that was me, that was it
for me. You did it for

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me, you did it to me, right, And so literally what he's

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saying is he's saying that's his heart. He's not saying that that's him in

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the flesh. He's saying that's where
his heart is right. So that's great.

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That is a great topic and we
will see you next time on the

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Bible. Guys,