WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:07.519 practical ways. 4 00:00:11.439 --> 00:00:12.519 Hey, good morning, everybody. 5 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:16.679 Weird morning, guys, or good afternoon or good evening, depending onizing. 6 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:20.320 Good night, and we're off. That's all we have time for. 7 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:20.839 There we go. 8 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.160 Hey, I was just gonna say, uh, we're excited because 9 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:26.399 this is this kicks off a brand new week. We're 10 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:29.559 still in the Book of Judges in the middle of this. Uh, 11 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:32.640 well not quite the middle yet, but we're in a 12 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:35.320 series called Milestones of the Old Testament. 13 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:39.600 That's right, or highlights highlights or we still haven't named it. No, 14 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:41.320 not really, we're just hitting the. 15 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:44.560 It's like the important big stories, our. 16 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:45.759 Favorite stories, our. 17 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:49.200 Favorite stories, Jeff and Chris's favorite stories in the Old Testament. 18 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.759 There you go, there, whatever it is, but it's fun. Well, 19 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:54.159 it's really cool. And when you're in. 20 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:57.240 The Judges, it's action all the time, Yes, all the time. 21 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:57.520 Action. 22 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.399 So if you missed last week, jump in maybe one 23 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:02.759 of the grossest stories in the Bible we talked about 24 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:05.159 last week with Ehud and a bunch of other fun ones. 25 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:06.599 So yeah, really great. 26 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:12.760 Well, Jeff today Desiree held back nothing. She didn't pull 27 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:15.319 any punches. She's kicking off a Monday with a stump 28 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:15.760 the past. 29 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:17.760 Start the week off with a tough one. 30 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:18.239 Yes. 31 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:22.760 Yes, and this question I read ahead. This question might be, 32 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:25.079 you know, one of the hardest things to deal with 33 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:27.159 in all of theology. 34 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.439 Never mind that it's eight in the morning. We just 35 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:31.480 got up and we'll kind of bed. 36 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:32.560 Yeah. 37 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:36.799 Okay, So here's what Nathan R. Says. And by the way, 38 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:37.879 thank you Nathan are for writing. 39 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:38.560 Hi Nathan. 40 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:42.959 He writes, why should we pray if everything ultimately comes 41 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:46.200 down to God's will? Why should we pray if everything 42 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:47.560 ultimately comes down to God's will? 43 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:49.319 Great question, Well I read. 44 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:51.159 It, so therefore your respond. 45 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:54.439 Oh no, Well I'm going to say, not everything comes 46 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:55.200 down to God's will? 47 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:57.840 And what do you mean by that? Because that sounds 48 00:01:57.879 --> 00:01:58.680 like blasphemy. 49 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:02.439 Jesus taught us to pray your Kingdom come, your will 50 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:05.319 be done on earth as it is in heaven, meaning 51 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:07.120 sometimes God's will it's not done on earth as it 52 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:07.599 is in heaven. 53 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:15.840 Right. But but the heart of this question is if 54 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:20.599 we're always praying God's will, then why should we put 55 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:21.479 effort behind me? 56 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:24.000 I think what he's saying is everything's ultimately comes down 57 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:27.240 to God's will. Means everything's already predetermined God decided. 58 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:29.080 You think I didn't read it that way. Yeah, you 59 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:29.919 know what I read it as? 60 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.199 I read it as God's going to do what he 61 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:32.639 wants to do. 62 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:36.560 Yeah, sort of like why pray any other thing if 63 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:41.520 if the only thing that we should ever pray is God. 64 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:43.400 I don't know your will, but whatever it is, that's 65 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:45.800 what I pray for. Yeah, right, so it's like, well, 66 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.039 that's legit, but I just don't know that. That's what 67 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:49.840 I think his question is interesting. 68 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:54.680 Yeah, So so so here here's let me. Let me 69 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:56.759 take my angle and then you can take your angle. 70 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:59.759 My angle as I read it is God's just going 71 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:01.240 to do God's going to do. It all comes down 72 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:04.560 to God's will, right, So everything that happens, God's already decided. 73 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:07.400 He wanted that to happen. That's what he wanted to happen. 74 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:10.159 So that's why you answered the way God's will. Right, 75 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:12.639 So you quite understand your answer, but now I do. 76 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.599 Yeah, And so Jesus taught us to pray your will 77 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:18.199 be done on earth as it is in heaven because 78 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:20.960 God's will is not always done right right, and what 79 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.879 God wants and what God gets are often two different things. 80 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:28.080 It's spiritual. Warfare is real. The Bible wouldn't use warfare 81 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:30.479 kind of language to talk about the battles between good 82 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.759 and evil if there weren't actual casualties, if there weren't 83 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.400 wins and losses. Now, I read the back of the book, 84 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:40.120 Jesus wins, but between here and there he wins the war. 85 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:41.680 But between here and there, there's a lot of battles 86 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:45.199 that get lost. There's a lot of there's you know, martyrs, 87 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.759 and there's all kinds of bad things that happen. Evil 88 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.520 happens in the world. The Bible mentions multiple times that 89 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.479 God was grieved. If it was God's plan, God wouldn't 90 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:56.439 be grieved. God to'd be like, my plans come in together, right. 91 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:59.439 So God is grieved on these things. This is why 92 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.120 he invites this into the battle. I think that so 93 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:07.080 many Christians are kind of sleeping with this mentality of well, 94 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:08.560 God's just going to do what God's going to do. 95 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:11.520 As a post understanding. God invited us into the battle 96 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.759 to move the needle in his direction. Yeah, and so 97 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.879 I think that's it's it's very significant to think of 98 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:19.680 it that way. So that's how I was viewing it. 99 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:24.079 Was he was asking, if God ultimately decides everything anyways, 100 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:24.839 why do we pray? 101 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:27.160 Yeah, So if I could try to distinguish the two 102 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:29.560 in my words, I would say, you were sort of 103 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:33.199 receiving it from like God being in control. 104 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:33.879 Kind of perspective everything. 105 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:37.079 Yeah, And I was receiving it from I want to 106 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:40.439 be a good Christian, and I from from from the 107 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:44.160 Christian's perspective only, which is, okay, what should I pray? 108 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:49.279 And uh it seems pretty futile to even get on 109 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:51.959 my knees and try to think of anything else. If 110 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:56.079 all I ever should ever pray is just say, okay, God, 111 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:57.680 you will be done the end. 112 00:04:58.079 --> 00:04:59.600 Therefore, why should we pray? 113 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:01.920 Which is how it reads. Why should we pray if 114 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:04.600 everything ultimately comes out? Which is interesting it kind of 115 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:08.160 it kind of works both ways. So uh So now 116 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:11.079 from that perspective, I would say that's a harder question 117 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.879 for me, because I mean the way you responded, I'm like, yeah, absolutely, 118 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:17.600 you know, because we live in a broken world and 119 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:19.519 God's not going to force his will and you know, 120 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.360 predetermine all that stuff that. 121 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:25.560 That's uh, that for me is it's easier to wrap 122 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.279 my head around. It seems more complex. 123 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:32.399 It almost seems like you're saying I gave a better answers. 124 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:34.720 I'm saying you answered an easier question. 125 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:37.279 That's what I'm saying. 126 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.639 But what I'm saying is is like it's like. 127 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:44.439 And by the way, I have thought about this, and 128 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.920 I have had discussions about this where people have said, 129 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.199 why do we even have to pray? You know, like 130 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:54.079 in other words, like if God's gonna, if God wants, uh, 131 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:57.680 you know, the one perfect thing in any situation, you 132 00:05:57.680 --> 00:05:59.680 know what difference does prayer make? And then you know 133 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.680 where you respond with the fact that the Bible tells 134 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:04.800 us that prayer makes a difference, that you know, if 135 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:07.199 a bunch of all his people get together and pray 136 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:11.240 and plead. There's been demonstration and before in the Bible 137 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.319 where God has been persuaded by the hearts of people. 138 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:16.079 Right, God even. 139 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:17.759 Yeah, we we just read about Moses a couple of 140 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:20.800 weeks ago where Moses comes in and begs God that 141 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.839 we didn't read about it. I referenced it, okay, and God, God, 142 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:28.480 Moses begs God, don't wipe out your people. What what 143 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.120 are all the other peoples around going to say that 144 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:32.439 you just brought us out here to kill us in 145 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:34.879 the desert. And the Bible said God repented of the 146 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:36.800 evil he thought to do against the people. 147 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:40.040 Of is room. Okay, repent means change. He changed his mind, 148 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:41.199 right right? 149 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:41.480 Yeah? 150 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:43.680 And then and then even Jesus told us the story 151 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:47.319 right about the knocking. Remember, and he says, the kingdom 152 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:49.480 of Heaven is like this, and he said, you know, 153 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:50.560 and the guy says. 154 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:51.480 No, go away, go away. 155 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:54.959 And he says, but because of his shameless audacity, he'll 156 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:56.439 get up and he'll give him bread and. 157 00:06:57.319 --> 00:06:58.040 Answer the door. 158 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:01.639 He said, in the same way, pray this way. So 159 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:06.480 I believe that God does have a will, and sometimes 160 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:11.680 his will is elusive. But really I've always thought this. 161 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:16.399 I've always thought it's I think it's less about knowing 162 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.439 his will and it's more about surrendering ours. 163 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:19.959 Yeah. 164 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.959 I also think that God has different levels to his will, 165 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.000 And I think Romans chapter twelve hints at that. Romans 166 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.680 twelfth two hints at the idea that there's God has 167 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:32.839 a perfect will, a good will, and an acceptable will. Right, 168 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.680 So there's the perfect way to get their straight linear line. 169 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:40.000 There's the zigzag and then there's the bouncing off the walls. 170 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.160 But God's going to get you there kind of a thing, right, 171 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:48.199 And I think that it's not as fatalistic as just 172 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:50.120 going God's going to do what God wants to do, 173 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.720 right right, That God is actually interacting with humanity. I 174 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:58.639 also think that most of what happens in life is naturalistic. 175 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:01.519 It's God's already set up here laws of nature. Gravity. 176 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.319 God doesn't have to if I step off the top 177 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.720 of building. God doesn't have to determine next what's going 178 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.920 to happen, right right, He's already decided gravity happens, you're 179 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:12.720 going to hit the ground. And so a lot of 180 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.639 things that happen in life isn't that God decided that 181 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.319 was going to happen in that moment, but rather God 182 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:20.879 set up the laws of nature so that if this happens, 183 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:25.000 then this is going to happen. And so God gets 184 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:26.600 blamed for a lot of things I think he doesn't 185 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:31.519 do as well. So I think most of life is natural. 186 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:34.720 And then when we ask God to intervene, we're asking 187 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:38.519 him to do something super natural. So when God chooses 188 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:40.240 to step in and do a thing. It's a miracle. 189 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:42.919 But I don't think that every single thing that happens 190 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:48.200 in life is an active decision to do a miracle 191 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:50.360 in that moment. But rather God set up the laws 192 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.440 of nature so that things would happen normally and naturally, 193 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:56.559 and then when we pray for God to intervene, sometimes 194 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.360 he steps in and does something supernatural outside of the natural. 195 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:01.320 Right, those are great thoughts. 196 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:04.840 That's a great, great, great question, Nathan. Yes, man, you 197 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.000 nailed it. Yes, good question. Woke us up this morning. 198 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:10.720 Yeah, we're in mode now. 199 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:12.639 Here we are, We're ready to go. Do you have 200 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:13.399 anything else to add? 201 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:15.440 No, I think I think those are I think it's 202 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:16.919 just a great thought. I think that we hit it 203 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:21.000 from both perspectives. So however he meant it is hopefully covered. Right. 204 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:22.639 I think you meant it my way. But yeah, whatever, 205 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:24.720 of course you do. Of course. 206 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:28.799 So, hey, we're talking about a lady judge. This is 207 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:35.600 the first only this is Deborah is of all of 208 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.559 the judges God uses, Deborah's the only female judge. Yeah, right, 209 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:42.399 and so this is kind of a she's wicked awesome. Yes, 210 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:45.120 So it says after e HUD's death. Oh, this is Judges. 211 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:47.600 Chapter four, Verse one, by the way, says, after e 212 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:50.399 HUD's death, there is lights again did evil. 213 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.399 In the Lord's sight? There's a theme my shocked face. 214 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:55.519 So the Lord turned them over to King Jabin of Hazor, 215 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.360 a Canaanite king. The commander of his army was Cisara, 216 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:05.320 who lived in Haro shethith Haro cheth Hagoiam. Does that 217 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:06.360 look good to you? 218 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:07.600 Haar cheth Hegoiam. 219 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:12.679 Cisra had nine hundred iron chariots ruthly oppressed the Israelites 220 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.360 for twenty years. Then the people of Israel cried out 221 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:17.559 to the Lord for help. Good job, guys, it took 222 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:20.480 you twenty years to think of the Lord. Deborah, the 223 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:24.000 wife of Lapidov, was a prophet who was judging Israel 224 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.360 at that time. She would sit under the Palm of 225 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.000 Deborah between Rama and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, 226 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.120 and the Israelites would go to her for judgment. One 227 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.519 day she sent for Barak, son of a Banoim who 228 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.799 lived in Kidish in the land of Naphtalai. Dude, there 229 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:42.519 are a lot of weird words in this what that's 230 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:43.080 why you read? 231 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:50.720 Hey four hundred and fifty episodes ago, I said, you 232 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:51.480 read because. 233 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:52.879 I don't feel like tackling all that. 234 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:55.639 She said to him, this is what the Lord, the 235 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:58.080 God of Israel, commands. You call out ten thousand warriors 236 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.120 from the tribe of tribes of Naphtalaie and Zebulun at 237 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.840 Mount Tabor, and I will call out Sisra, commander of 238 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.799 Jabon's army, along with his chariots and warriors, to the 239 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:09.919 Kishon River. There I will give you victory over him. 240 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:12.559 Barak told her, I will go, but only if you 241 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:15.200 go with me. Very well, She replied, I will go 242 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:17.600 with you, but you will receive no honor in this venture, 243 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:19.600 for the Lord's victory over Siser will be at the 244 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:23.279 hands of a woman. So Deborah went with Barak to Kadish. 245 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:26.600 At Kadish, Barak called together the tribes of Zebulun and Naphtali, 246 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:29.639 and ten thousand warriors went up with him. Deborah also 247 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:32.360 went with him. Now Heber the Key Knight, a descendant 248 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:36.120 of moses brother in law Hobab Man Alive, had moved 249 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:38.360 away from the other members of his tribe and pitched 250 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:45.080 his tent by the by the oak of Zaananim near Kadish. 251 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.840 When Cicero was told that Barak, son of Abinowim, had 252 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.159 gone up to Mount Tabor, he called for all nine 253 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:53.519 hundred of his iron chariots and all of his warriors, 254 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:57.000 and they marched from Harrishef Hagoyam to the Kishan River. 255 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:00.320 Then Deborah said to Barack, get ready, this is the 256 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:02.519 day the Lord will give you victory over Sisra, for 257 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:05.120 the Lord is marching ahead of you. So Barak led 258 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.480 his ten thousand warriors down the slopes of Mount Tabor 259 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.039 into battle. When Barak attacked, the Lord throw Sisra and 260 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:14.039 his chariots and warriors into a panic. Sister leaped down 261 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.159 from his chariot and escaped on foot. And then Barack 262 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:18.480 chased the chariots and the enemy army all the way 263 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.799 to harrischeth Hagoyam, killing all of Sister's warriors. Not a 264 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:25.799 single one was left alive. Meanwhile, Sisa ran to the 265 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:29.039 tent of Jail, the wife of Heber the Key Knight. 266 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:31.840 Because Hebrew's family was on friendly terms with King Jab 267 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.559 and a hazor. Jail went out to meet sister and 268 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.159 said to him, come into my tent, sir, Come in, 269 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.480 don't be afraid so he went into her tent and 270 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:42.120 she covered him with a blanket. Please give me some water, 271 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:43.840 he said, I'm thirsty, and so she gave him some 272 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:46.960 milk from a leather bag and covered him again. Stand 273 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:48.200 at the door of the tent. He told her, if 274 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:50.360 anybody comes and asks you, if there's anyone here, say no. 275 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:54.360 But when sister fell asleep from exhaustion, Dale quietly crept 276 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.039 up to him with a hammer and a tent peg 277 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.159 in her hand. Then she drove the tent pig through 278 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:02.000 his temple into the ground, so he died. When Brock 279 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:04.799 came looking for Sisra, Jail went out to meet him. 280 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:06.679 She said, come and I'll show you the man you're 281 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:08.559 looking for. So he followed her into the tent and 282 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.000 found sister lying there dead with a tent peg through 283 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:14.360 his temple. So on that day Israel saw God defeat Jabon, 284 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.159 the Canaanite king, and from that time on Isra became 285 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:22.159 stronger and stronger against King Jabin until they finally destroyed him. Wow, 286 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:25.639 what right, dude, those were? That might have been the 287 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:26.320 hardest read. 288 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.639 Yes so far. Yeah, that was a man alive. 289 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:35.720 Well, I'll tell you what this This story is one 290 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:40.360 of the most graphic but different, different graphic than last week. 291 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:42.600 Yeah, yeah, it was just gloss. 292 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:45.279 I guess this is gross too, But I guess men 293 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:50.799 who don't mind like war violence type stuff. So I 294 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:53.559 remember my pastor, he called him jl. I know you 295 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:56.840 called him jail jail, but jail or whatever however you 296 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:00.320 pronounced his name. Okay, oh excuse me, yeah, her name, 297 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:05.720 of course. But anyway, I remember him back in the eighties, 298 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:09.679 talked about driving his head through a spike into the ground, 299 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:13.200 and then he got on the ground and he ran 300 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:15.600 in a circle like with his head in the middle. 301 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:20.639 H So, so he's trying to get him run nail 302 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:21.600 to the ground, which I'm. 303 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:22.759 Sure didn't of course happen. 304 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:24.919 But but I remember my youth aster doing that, you know, 305 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:26.679 and you know, he had his head in the middle 306 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:30.080 and he's running around a circle and everybody just started laughing, 307 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.480 right exactly, well in the eighties, right, So anyway, I 308 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:36.360 remember that visually, and I was just a high school student, 309 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.240 and I remember thinking, like, wow, this is one of the. 310 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:39.039 Coolest stories ever. 311 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:43.799 But think about the wisdom of this woman who again, 312 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.200 you know, I mean I'm sure that she was It 313 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.000 doesn't say that she was a mother, but she had, 314 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:51.480 of course, you know, motherly instincts. But I remember back then, 315 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:55.519 even then, the youth pastor's wife speaking up and saying, 316 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.080 isn't it interesting how she knew how to give him 317 00:14:58.080 --> 00:14:59.440 warm milk to put him to. 318 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:02.679 Sleep, because that's what that's what grandma does. That's what 319 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.120 grandma does, right right, some chocolate chip cookies and some 320 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:05.559 more meal. 321 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:08.679 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so of course she was exhausted. 322 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:10.720 But but you know, she did whatever she could. She 323 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:13.519 was cunning. That's just a sign of her being wise, 324 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:17.240 being cunning, being knowing exactly what she's going to do 325 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:19.840 to play the part. You know, she's like, hey, don't 326 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.840 know why sister has found my tent, don't know why 327 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:24.200 this is meant to be, but I'm going to do 328 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:24.679 my part. 329 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:27.200 And sure enough, holy cow. 330 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:30.480 Right, Yeah, there's a couple of really great things here. 331 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:34.519 When Deborah tells Barack, which by the way, brock means peace, right, 332 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:37.080 so it's kind of an interesting he's a general named piece. 333 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:41.399 But when she tells Barack, yes, I'll go with you, 334 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:43.360 but it's you're not going to get the glory from 335 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:47.039 this victory. A woman is you think she's talking about herself, right, 336 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:48.960 that's what you think happened. And she goes with him, 337 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:51.840 and then what you find in this story, which is 338 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:56.120 just fantastic, I think, is the autonomy of this this woman. 339 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:58.960 So you tend to think back in those ancient days 340 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.200 how oppressed women were and all these kinds of things. 341 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:03.480 But even within the. 342 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:08.879 Israelite worldview, the Jewish worldview, women were much more respected 343 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:12.320 and autonomous. So her husband was an ally of Sisera 344 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:17.720 and of that king what was the king's name, Jabin right, 345 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:20.799 And Jale's like, yeah, I'm not voting for Jabin. 346 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:24.279 Right, She's definitely. 347 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.399 That's right, and so and so it's really great I 348 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:33.879 think in the in the Jewish culture, in the Jewish mindset, 349 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:38.279 as they would read their Bible, their Holy Book, they 350 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.480 didn't even blink at the idea that this woman had 351 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:43.320 this much autonomy. Right, she's the hero of the story. 352 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:47.200 That's fantastic, and that's why it's shared there. So she 353 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.759 winds up driving this tent peg through sister's head. You 354 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:54.120 can imagine how pleased he was. I have an ally 355 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:59.519 having no idea. He minimizes the strength and the autonomy 356 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.919 of this woman, and he thinks, well, her husband's for me, 357 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.799 so she said before me too, right, and she's got well, 358 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:05.839 I have another thing for you. 359 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:06.759 Right. 360 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:08.279 It's interesting. 361 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.119 They have a little map here in the Life Application 362 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:14.480 Study Bible below, and it's interesting how they place. And 363 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:16.960 I guess, I guess this would be true. I would 364 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:18.480 have no way of knowing this before I look at 365 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.000 this map. But but hero cheth Agoyam looks like it's 366 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.640 right on the coast, just or just west of the 367 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:28.319 Sea of Galilee, just just a little bit south, but 368 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:30.880 just completely west on the coast. 369 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.720 Interesting. Yeah, yeah, that's where that would have taken place. 370 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:37.160 So when you were in Israel, did you see Mount Tabor? 371 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:41.119 I know, I can remember we drove, we were going 372 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.240 through and we came across the Kishon River there into 373 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:48.599 that valley, and the one of the guides in historian 374 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:51.279 that I was sitting up front talking to, he said, oh, hey, 375 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:53.000 by the way, this is the this is the area 376 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:58.039 right here is where you know JL killed Cicera. Really yeah, yeah, 377 00:17:58.039 --> 00:17:59.799 so it was kind of a kind of any thing. Yeah, 378 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:03.240 it's two big hills. Well, there's several hills in the area, hills, 379 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:04.839 and then this kind of this flat valley in the 380 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:05.960 river just kind of winds. 381 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.880 That's the thing about every trip to Israel. You can 382 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.079 drive for two weeks and still not still one fifth 383 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:12.279 of it. 384 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:14.000 Oh yeah, and this happened here, and this happened here. 385 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:15.319 It's NonStop. 386 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:19.559 Well that but it's an Old Testament and New Testament thing. Yeah, 387 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:22.200 so they're like, well, in the Old Testament, here's what 388 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:24.279 happened here. In the New Testament, here's what happened here. 389 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:26.759 And this is what's so important about our faith as 390 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:29.480 opposed to other faiths, say. 391 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:30.400 The Mormon faith or whatever. 392 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:36.279 And that is within Christianity, within Judaism, within Christianity, everything 393 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:39.359 that we believe is rooted in a place with real 394 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:43.119 places and real people. Right, there's never been a thing 395 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:46.480 that's been when it comes to you read these things, 396 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:48.039 by the way, all these funny names. I was trying 397 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:50.720 to read them as plowing through them. You go, and 398 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.160 this guy went to this place, and this place and 399 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:54.880 that place, and this guy went here. Right, that's what 400 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.319 you sometimes, So don't get hung up with the words. 401 00:18:57.400 --> 00:18:59.319