1 00:00:00,816 --> 00:00:15,183 Where are you going? I gotta take a shower. You know, to stay fresh. 2 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:25,231 Pitches on broomsticks are up to their tricks. And poltergeists wail to the moon. 3 00:00:27,632 --> 00:00:39,216 Which looks like a silver balloon Frankenstein's monster is having a ball 4 00:01:07,695 --> 00:01:19,536 Welcome to Hello, This is the Doomed Show. I am Richard. I am Brad. Welcome. Good evening. To Good Evening, the Spooky Men are here. 5 00:01:19,536 --> 00:01:34,048 Brad is changing his name to Mitchell Myers. Mitchell Myers. And I am changing my name to Howard Myers, the lesser known Michael. Or whatever. 6 00:01:34,048 --> 00:01:46,319 The lesser done Michael Howard. Folks. You know, I think it would, I mean, would you be afraid of a guy named Howard? Yes. I don't think I would be. Howie. Especially. 7 00:01:46,319 --> 00:02:01,215 If he had the rubber glove on his head and he was blowing it up like a balloon. Well, there's two ways it can go if you're a grown-up and you let everybody call you Howie. What is good and what is bad. Yep. 8 00:02:01,215 --> 00:02:14,735 Both are just named Howie. Howdy. Howdy. Folks, we're talking about Halloween colon The Curse of Michael Myers from 1995. We're going to spoil this thing and for you. 9 00:02:14,735 --> 00:02:25,231 concerned parents out there uh we are talking about the theatrical version everybody hates this movie no one's gonna listen to this oh yeah 10 00:02:25,231 --> 00:02:35,824 They don't care what we do. But no, we just decided to talk about the theatrical cut this time because I think it was both like we were due for watching this version maybe. 11 00:02:35,824 --> 00:02:47,888 I think that's sort of what we decided. So we're not going to completely leave out discussion of the producer's cut, the infamous producer's cut, but we're also not going to go into... 12 00:02:47,888 --> 00:03:00,639 The Megaton level of detail. Folks, if you know the Taking Shape books, parts one and two, if you are a Halloween fan or thinking about... 13 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:15,183 Becoming a Halloween fan, read Taking Shape and Taking Shape 2. Man, they will fill your life with more Michael Mayers than you ever wanted. Man, Lanny bought me both editions. 14 00:03:15,183 --> 00:03:27,840 They really entertain some ridiculously outlandish ideas. Boy, howdy. I laughed because Tyler got me the first book. Thank you, Tyler. Good on you, Tyler. 15 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:41,376 And I could not resist. I had to get the second one for myself. It's just they're so fun. Oh, my God. So we're not going to read from the book. We're going to miss a lot of details. 16 00:03:41,376 --> 00:03:50,848 Folks, when you see how much just on this one movie, because of its two versions, this shit is crazy. It really is. 17 00:03:50,848 --> 00:04:02,575 And then the whole second book talks about the, the versions we never got of this movie too. So yeah. Oh, so good. I have never been so happy to read. 18 00:04:02,575 --> 00:04:16,800 someone else summarize a screenplay and just feel like i'm reading like uh not sexy fan fiction uh-huh because do you ever just read a screenplay like for fun 19 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:28,959 no i have never i i've never been able to do it like i've read some scenes before but i've never been able to be like ah let me light some candles and 20 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:42,543 Put on my smoking jacket and just sit here and read a screenplay. I'm just going to... What are you doing tonight? Reading a screenplay. It's never happened to me. 21 00:04:42,543 --> 00:04:56,767 Oh, man. This movie was directed by Joe Chappelle. He later directed Phantoms and The Skulls 2. 22 00:04:56,767 --> 00:05:09,456 Which, after how ridiculous the first Skulls movie is, I can only imagine what Skulls 2 must be like. Oh my god. I am not familiar with Skulls. 23 00:05:09,456 --> 00:05:24,288 Film franchise. But I'm open to it. Yeah. I recommend the first one. It's very cheesy. It's very cheesy. I love very cheesy. And then he went on to be a producer and director of The Wire. And I know that's a beloved show. 24 00:05:24,288 --> 00:05:38,959 Indeed. I have never seen a single episode. I've seen some crazy clips from it, though. Yeah, Baltimore shithole. Wow. I mean, I've seen a lot of Baltimore thanks to John. 25 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:53,232 john waters so i believe it yeah so you can cut that out if you want or not i'm not cutting that out uh so i've been to baltimore multiple times i bought drugs from the wire 26 00:05:54,767 --> 00:06:08,959 Nice. So, according to Am I... According to... Okay, cheese. Stop it. You're distracting the shit out of me. Out of the box. Out of the box. According to the FBI... 27 00:06:08,959 --> 00:06:21,711 This cat is amazing. Okay. So according to IMDB, this was written by Deborah Hill and John Carpenter. That doesn't sound right. I think they forgot the characters in parentheses. Very nice. 28 00:06:21,711 --> 00:06:36,319 But then this has one screenwriter. We're going to talk about 10 different screenwriters tonight. But Daniel Ferraz. And this guy went on to direct many, many, many horror movie documentaries. 29 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:47,007 Yeah, he did. As well as he wrote and directed some serial killer movies, like some adaptations of real serial killer lives. 30 00:06:47,007 --> 00:07:02,000 And shout out to Simon. He directed something called Rave, Dancing to a Different Beat, which I watched the trailer, and I think, Simon, you and I would definitely discuss this movie. Really? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 31 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:30,240 I'm going to drop the teaser trailer in here for this beautiful movie. I believe, yeah, this is going to be the curse of Michael Myers' title. The first title was the... the 666 title yeah they of course changed it immediately before it came out every legend is based on fact every myth 32 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:41,360 is grounded in truth. For 17 years, the town of Haddonfield, Illinois has been haunted. 33 00:07:43,088 --> 00:07:55,696 By a night when evil roamed the streets And a madman ruled the night Everyone knows his name 34 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:04,879 Now everyone will know the truth. I knew what he was, but I never knew why. 35 00:08:14,543 --> 00:08:28,576 Of Michael Myers. And there was the teaser trailer for that. Now I'm going to read from the Miramax VHS or the Dimension. I think it's the Dimension VHS. 36 00:08:28,576 --> 00:08:38,783 Same thing, though, really. Boy, howdy. The tagline is, true terror never dies. And it says... 37 00:08:38,783 --> 00:08:51,936 For pulse-pounding suspense and relentless thrills, nothing can match Halloween, The Curse of Michael Myers, the newest and most frightening chapter in the chilling Halloween series. 38 00:08:51,936 --> 00:09:06,672 In a single horrifying night, Michael Myers' masked reign of terror changed Halloween forever. Now, six years later, after he was presumed dead in a fire, Myers has returned to kill again. 39 00:09:06,672 --> 00:09:21,279 And this time, there's no escape. As the homicidal fury builds to a spine-tingling climax, the long-hidden secrets of the screen's most maniacal murderer are revealed. 40 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:33,344 With shocking results. Some of that was not factual. Color. 87 minutes-ish. Ish. Was there a fire at the end of... 41 00:09:33,344 --> 00:09:48,159 Part five, there was an explosion, and then the police station was shot up. Was the police station on fire, though? Well, that's the question. Continuity, people. Get in here. 42 00:09:48,159 --> 00:10:02,207 You know, there are people out there that are like, Debra Hill and John Carpenter wrote Halloween 1, 2, and 6. Sure, sure. Based on IMDb. And they're arguing. That's right. I just think that's amazing. 43 00:10:02,207 --> 00:10:15,552 We're going to talk about – later we'll talk about what John Carpenter wanted to do with this movie. Oh, boy. So we're going to talk about some of the cast. These are some of our main characters here. 44 00:10:15,552 --> 00:10:29,087 We've got good old Donald Pleasance playing Dr. Loomis back at it again for his final time. Did you say it, Krispy Kreme? I said Krispy Kreme. Yeah, I love it. Thank you. 45 00:10:29,087 --> 00:10:43,327 Back at it again at Krispy Kreme. Paul Rudd is grown up Tommy Doyle. He never worked again after this. Very sad. Oh, yeah. Introducing the guy we already met. Stephen. Oh, Stephen. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. 46 00:10:43,327 --> 00:10:53,583 Good news. This is for Brad. When my phone mutes you off and on, do you know that it's doing that? Uh... 47 00:10:53,583 --> 00:11:08,576 Yes. So in case you were wondering why I'm talking over you, Brad, I swear to God, I don't know you're talking until I start talking. And when I start talking, it unmutes you. Hmm. It's the same thing that Google does to me when I'm talking to Mark. 48 00:11:08,576 --> 00:11:19,984 Over Google Meet. It's great. So I apologize in advance. I'm actually, you have cut out on me was what I thought you were getting at. Oh. 49 00:11:19,984 --> 00:11:30,879 So I've had to use context clues a time or two. Okay. Well, if you ever need me to just say something again, just let me know. We'll do it again. I'll text you. 50 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:42,943 So next up, we've got Marianne Hagen as Kara Strode. She would go on to be in Steakland from 2010. Yeah. 51 00:11:42,943 --> 00:11:56,480 That was a big movie when it came out. Horror fans went crazy over Steakland. I saw it. I don't remember being over the moon about it. It was good. It was on par with 30 Days of Night, I thought. 52 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:10,032 Oh, well, I really like 30 Days of Night. Yeah. Maybe it's time to revisit that Stanklandia. Maybe so. Next up, we've got Mitchell Ryan, who plays Dr. Wynn. He's a winner. Yeah. 53 00:12:10,032 --> 00:12:24,176 He goes back to Dark Shadows. Oh, I know. Yes. So Mitchell Ryan, 107 episodes, which is nothing. That's like a month and a half. 54 00:12:24,176 --> 00:12:38,495 Dude, it's crazy. Soap operas always blow my mind. I love it. I think they're the greatest actors in the world because they're filming constantly. Every day. All that dialogue they're going to memorize. 55 00:12:38,495 --> 00:12:49,855 His claim to fame was in Lethal Weapon, of course. Sure. And then he was in Liar Liar and Gross Point Blank the same year. Wow. 56 00:12:49,855 --> 00:13:04,128 And in a possibly future upcoming episode of Hello, There's a Doom show, he was in A Reflection of Fear from 1972. Ooh, interesting. Yeah. Next up, we got... 57 00:13:04,128 --> 00:13:16,303 Kim Darby as the long-suffering Deborah Strode, the matriarch of this family. Outside of Donald Plissett, she might have been the most famous. Yeah, yeah. 58 00:13:16,303 --> 00:13:29,600 she's in true grit and she's in gargoyles i think don't be afraid of the dark yeah not gargoyles don't be afraid of the dark yeah there you go i've still never seen gargoyles i've always wanted to i uh 59 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:44,288 I totally slept through it the first time, so I've never really seen it. But yeah, I know her best from Better Off Dead. Oh, is she John Cusack's mom? Yep. Nice. I quote her all the time. French dressing. French bread. 60 00:13:44,288 --> 00:13:58,032 And to drink Peru. I haven't seen that in a long time. That's the one where, is that the one where he owes the kids money for money? Two dollars. Yep. Yes. 61 00:13:58,032 --> 00:14:12,591 It's the paper boy. Oh, Savage Steve Holland, did it? Yeah, man. Masterpiece. I remember things. Yeah. She was also in Teen Wolf 2. Well. Hmm. 62 00:14:12,591 --> 00:14:23,216 They paid her. Yeah. I hope she invested that money. Yeah. Next up, we've got the awful, awful father of the family. 63 00:14:23,216 --> 00:14:34,288 Played by Bradford English. He plays John Strode. Yep. Good actor. Very good actor. Dude. He was in every TV show ever. Look at his career on IMDb. 64 00:14:34,288 --> 00:14:45,488 Like one episode stops on everything. It's really fun. Yeah. So a really strong character actor. He plays an awful person in this. Boy, howdy. 65 00:14:45,488 --> 00:14:58,735 Keith Bogart is Tim Stroh. Didn't really recognize him from other things. But he's our grunge boy. He's grunging it up in his grunge wardrobe. I love how this movie was made. 66 00:14:58,735 --> 00:15:09,183 like right after grunge was the biggest thing ever. And then they waited another two years before they finished it. So grunge was so out by 95. 67 00:15:09,183 --> 00:15:24,159 We were already in a horrible post-grunge death spiral. It was the glam. The glam was back. That's what everybody was doing. Yeah. And let's see. Next up, we got Mare... 68 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:36,847 Mariah O'Brien as Beth. She's our love interest to the Tim Strode. This lady was the crying woman. 69 00:15:36,847 --> 00:15:50,816 In the Ozzy Osbourne No More Tears music video. Really? Which made my brain explode. Because I had seen that video 300,000 times. That was peak MTV for me. 70 00:15:50,816 --> 00:16:01,679 That album actually was one that I got for a penny or whatever through Columbia or B&G, that album. Nice. That's great. 71 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:12,975 I've seen that video, but I can't place her in it. I'll have to watch it now. Oh, you won't be able to miss her when you watch it. She was also in some music videos for Red Cross and Afghan Wigs. 72 00:16:12,975 --> 00:16:27,072 Ooh, Red Cross. Yeah, dude. Power Pop favorites. Yeah, I love Red Cross. Next up, we've got the one, the only, Barry Sims, played by Leo Geter. 73 00:16:27,072 --> 00:16:40,320 He is our shock jock. He is our shock jock. Brad, do you know what horror movie, what slasher movie Leo Getter was in when he was a young man? Sleepaway camp. 74 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:51,807 Close. He was in Silent Night, Deadly Night. He is the kid. He's the blonde kid. He's the one who's with Linnea Quigley. 75 00:16:51,807 --> 00:17:03,552 They're trying to make out. Okay. She's supposed to be watching her little sister or babysitting or something. Something. Yep. Yep. Mr. Pool Table. I'll have to pay attention next time I watch it. 76 00:17:03,552 --> 00:17:18,256 Yeah, dude. Next up, we've got J.C. Brandy as Jamie Lloyd. This actress, she's not Danielle Harris, no matter how you squint. She doesn't look like her at all. No, and if you're not paying attention, you might not think. 77 00:17:18,256 --> 00:17:31,584 You might not know who she is. Right. This actress kicked around for a while. I know her best as a supporting role in Devil in the Flesh, starring Rose McGowan. 78 00:17:31,584 --> 00:17:45,215 It's a drama thriller something movie. I don't know. We got George P. Wilbur playing The Shape. Yep. His last role ever. Aw. He's dead now. 79 00:17:45,215 --> 00:17:58,576 He is dead now. He's slashing up there in the heaven. That's right, that's right. All right, we'll come back to the crew after we talk about this plot, which we're going to jump around in. We're not going to do it scene by scene here. 80 00:17:58,576 --> 00:18:12,127 like i said spoilers if you haven't seen this movie yet and you totally should let's go team theatrical the movie opens up and i'm gonna sing this this first part brad are you ready i'm ready 81 00:18:12,127 --> 00:18:26,688 Childbirth is painful. It brings on many tunnels. And I can see my baby in the arms of a nurse. There were a lot of tunnels. 82 00:18:26,688 --> 00:18:37,824 A lot of tunnels. So Jamie Lloyd, a.k.a. Jamie Strode, is given birth. There's a lot of screaming, a lot of very stylish. 83 00:18:37,824 --> 00:18:51,872 Speaking of music video, music video looking edits going on and she's screaming and screaming. And I just imagined what people were thinking in a theater going to see this movie and just hearing this lady's blood curdling screams and bleeding all over the place. 84 00:18:51,872 --> 00:19:05,632 What or how it's got anything to do with Halloween. Yep. Yep. Is she giving birth to Michael? So, so who is, who do you think the father is of this, this, this, this Steven child? 85 00:19:05,632 --> 00:19:16,384 It's Michael, right? I've always assumed it's Michael. Yeah. That is not the only incest. There's apparently some, what would you call it? 86 00:19:16,384 --> 00:19:30,895 sneaky incest later that i'd never thought of until i read someone's take on a certain pair of characters my brain exploded we'll get to that when we get to that so yes she gives birth to this baby and uh she's immediately um 87 00:19:30,928 --> 00:19:45,680 taken away from this baby or the baby's taken away from her uh meanwhile we got um paul rudd spooky narrator uh narrating and i wrote in my notes that um naked babies and druids scare me 88 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:56,880 As they should. Then Jamie escapes. Nurse Mary, who's the only nice person that works at the Thorn Corporation. We'll talk about Thorn in a minute. She... 89 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:11,776 Or the Thorn group. I don't know. She helps her escape. And she gets killed Lucio Fulci style. Michael picks up this nurse and slams her head into a convenient spike on the wall, like in the beyond. Yep. Love it. 90 00:20:11,776 --> 00:20:26,640 And then we cut to Danny, our little Danny Strode. He's our little boy. And Giallo Man is talking to him. He's commanding him to kill. Boy, howdy. Oh, my God. 91 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:41,327 Love this. I love this. I mean, it is. I think it's the Cult of Thorne. I think that's what they call it. That's what they call it, yeah. You'd think with the books I've read of all this stuff, I'd remember that. 92 00:20:41,327 --> 00:20:55,632 it's it's it's thorn and sons yeah yeah i mean i got the thorn tattoo i guess i should uh i guess i should bone up on my stuff right yeah no one's gonna call you on it no one cares uh we get to see 93 00:20:55,632 --> 00:21:09,872 We get to hear our pal Barry Sims. He's our shock jock radio. And as Jamie is escaping, she's listening to this radio, driving down the rainy highway as Michael chases her. Meanwhile, the commentators are talking about... 94 00:21:09,872 --> 00:21:22,703 Whatever happened to that Dr. Loomis guy? I heard he died. And then Donald Pleasant shows up and proves that he had died. Right. But the estate was collecting a paycheck. 95 00:21:22,768 --> 00:21:34,864 It's so sad. It's very sad. He sounds terrible. But you know what? He's running on his love for work. There were reshoots for this movie, and he was gonna come back. 96 00:21:34,864 --> 00:21:47,407 for the reshoots like he was like literally making plans you know out in europe he was like resting in france or something and he's gonna come back and do those reshoots and he just he passed away he really wanted to do it 97 00:21:47,407 --> 00:22:00,271 Yeah, I'm sure he did. He was a professional. And he cared about this character and he cared about this franchise. I just love how Halloween gave him a second career and an important one. Absolutely. 98 00:22:00,271 --> 00:22:11,872 You think about the movies he was doing by the mid-70s, and it was like the last gasp of Hammer and the last gasp of Amicus stuff he would show up in. 99 00:22:11,872 --> 00:22:24,559 His daughters, man, they were starting to act. Was it just one of his daughters as an actress? Just the one, Angela. Okay, the most wonderful. 100 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:38,847 An ethereal being. Yes. Our pal Jamie makes it to the most important bus station. I wrote in my notes, this is the most important bus station scene since. 101 00:22:38,847 --> 00:22:53,488 And I put in brackets here, movie reference. Movie reference. I think you're right. And the bus line, when you can see the stops on the bus, Smith's Grove is one of them. 102 00:22:53,488 --> 00:23:03,248 Nice, nice. And Dwight is in Illinois. Our friend Heather, she was from Dwight. Oh, cool. 103 00:23:03,344 --> 00:23:17,584 So it's a real Illinois bus stop, but then I just throw Smith Grove in there. Nice. Jamie manages to make a phone call into the radio station to the shock jock because she hears Tommy Doyle. 104 00:23:17,584 --> 00:23:30,895 giving his opinions on what Michael Myers has been up to. And she manages to yell over the thing to get the attention of a good old Donald Pleasance who's in hiding, but you know, keeping up with the local radio shock jock scene. 105 00:23:30,895 --> 00:23:45,423 As old men often do. It's like when you pull up at a stoplight and someone is listening to talk radio at a deafening volume. And it's like the voices are shaking their car and like... 106 00:23:45,423 --> 00:23:59,743 hurting your ears and you get all mad at him and then you go oh wait that guy's probably just hard of hearing yeah he's probably just deaf he's not actively trying to share no he's not trying to be a dick oh boy 107 00:23:59,743 --> 00:24:14,271 Lori takes off, Michael in pursuit, and she goes to a farm. I always think this is the same farm where a bunch of people got killed in Halloween 5. I assume it is. Yeah, why not? 108 00:24:14,271 --> 00:24:20,768 The land's cursed. Damn right. Michael gets her and slams her onto some... 109 00:24:20,768 --> 00:24:33,632 Farming equipment that looks very sharp and dangerous. That is how he's killed people every movie. That's his trademark is the farm equipment. Ran over somebody with a tractor. Yep, yep. 110 00:24:33,632 --> 00:24:47,759 I'm underlining farm equipment in my notes many times, folks at home. Oh, yeah. Farm equipment. She tells him right before she gets gotten in the most brutal way possible, getting ripped apart by farm equipment. 111 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:59,471 then he'll never have the baby and he goes and sure enough he the baby is now a swath wrapped in swaddling is it swaddling clothes it's just some paper towels 112 00:24:59,471 --> 00:25:14,175 Swaddling. Yep. Which, hey, he was excited because this was the pandemic when they shot this and paper towels were expensive, bro. Yeah, like he's the father and the uncle. Of paper towels. The fun uncle. 113 00:25:14,175 --> 00:25:26,592 The Funkle. I love it. The Funkle. Meanwhile, Dr. Wynn is visiting good old... 114 00:25:26,592 --> 00:25:40,576 Good old Donald Pleasence's loomy boy. And telling him, hey, you ready to come back to work? And Donald Pleasence looks at him like he grew a freaking extra head. Yeah. Come back to Smith's Grove. 115 00:25:40,576 --> 00:25:52,640 What language are you speaking? I don't think so, Tim. He wants him to study Michael Myers, and he fast-forwarded a lot of plot here. Just fast-forwarding. 116 00:25:52,640 --> 00:26:07,615 They end up at the crime scene where Jamie was killed the next morning and there's a giant rune burned into the hay bales. Very nice. Yeah, it's Michael taking time to let everyone know that he'd been there. 117 00:26:07,615 --> 00:26:20,415 And this is when Donald Pleasant starts to figure out that he might have a clue about what's going on. We'll get to that when we get to that. Maybe. I don't know what I'm going to do. Okay. Surprise me. 118 00:26:20,415 --> 00:26:30,576 After Jamie's killed the next morning, we see the happy family scene at the Strode house. Papa Strode is an asshole. 119 00:26:30,576 --> 00:26:40,448 And he's given Kara. I wrote her name as Carol in my notes over and over again for some reason. Do you like Carol? I do like Carol. 120 00:26:40,448 --> 00:26:54,832 But I like Kara too. So she's studying, she's in college and she's studying psychology and her family acts like it's this like the biggest waste you could possibly do with your time, which I don't know, maybe. 121 00:26:54,832 --> 00:27:09,791 supposedly i love all this stuff all the character stuff with uh danny and his older his older brother or older uh cousin or whatever he's supposed to be brother cousin funcle and then he 122 00:27:09,791 --> 00:27:23,695 He ends up taking a sip of the stomach pounder. This kid has his own disgusting smoothie and the kid can't handle it. It's so fun. Which is from The Fog, by the way. 123 00:27:23,695 --> 00:27:38,544 Oh, yeah, the stomach pounder. Thank you for catching that. Certainly. And then they're both wearing their Barry Kicks Ass t-shirts in reference to our shock jock. I totally want a Barry Kicks Ass t-shirt and that nice... 124 00:27:38,544 --> 00:27:48,943 Pumpkin orange. Beautiful, beautiful. That big block lettering. Yes. And then Dad shows up and ruins everything because he's a blowhard. He's a piece of crap. 125 00:27:48,943 --> 00:28:02,415 He smacks his daughter for mouthing off. Danny pulls a knife on him. Oh, it's great. It's just wonderful. Beth comes over. That was the 90s, kids. Yeah, dude. If you didn't pull a knife on your mean dad, what were you doing? 126 00:28:02,415 --> 00:28:16,319 You weren't in the 90s. That's what you were doing. It was all that Soundgarden. They don't know how it was. Gen X, Gen Y, Gen Z, Gen C-3PO. I don't know. 127 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:29,359 That's just it. We don't know. Beth shows up and they go to college, but on the way to college, my favorite thing ever is the fake Alice in Chains song. Oh, my God. I love it. 128 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:44,175 I love this so much. The fake Alice in Chains song is so great. And then we see some drawings. Danny, the little boy, has been drawing some thorn symbols and drawing some blood and death and everything. 129 00:28:44,175 --> 00:28:58,319 They'd have him like in jail today. Somebody would see that drawing. They're like, you're going to jail, kid. Yep. You're all washed up in this town, Danny. That's right. Right. Tim looks at the art and goes. 130 00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:03,471 Oh, that's cool. Like a Beavis and Butthead impression. It's very sad. 131 00:29:03,536 --> 00:29:18,127 Sci-Fi Channel and Spencer Gifts, America's Halloween headquarters, want to give you the scare of your life. Four grand prize winners will win a four-day trip for two to Universal Studios Florida for Halloween Horror Nights. You'll fly USAir, the official airline of Universal Studios Florida. 132 00:29:18,127 --> 00:29:32,336 Five first prize winners win a Spencer Gifts Halloween Bag of Tricks. 25 second prize winners win a Top Hat Skull Mask. To enter, send a postcard to Spencer Gifts Halloween Sweepstakes, P.O. Box 38, New York, New York, 101.85. Brought to you by Spencer Gifts and the Cycle. 133 00:29:32,336 --> 00:29:44,192 But Danny's got bigger problems than his drawings. What happens when Danny is walking with his pumpkin? Ah, he runs into Tommy Doyle. 134 00:29:44,192 --> 00:29:53,423 and an homage to the original Halloween film where Tommy Doyle runs into Michael and breaks his pumpkin. Yep, yep. 135 00:29:53,423 --> 00:30:07,248 And it also makes this, because Tommy Doyle has been acting sus this entire time, and it makes you wonder, possibly is he Michael, or has he got something to do with this? Because he's acting weird. 136 00:30:07,248 --> 00:30:20,127 Is he another one of these thorny people? That's right. Unlike Michael Myers, he actually apologizes. He's like, sorry. Sure. I don't know if, like... 137 00:30:20,127 --> 00:30:34,271 The experience, the tragedy that he went through as a child is what makes him so spaced out. Yep. And they just don't do a good job of conveying that that is why. Yeah. Because... 138 00:30:34,271 --> 00:30:47,776 It's like he's never talked to a human until the movie really gets going. Yeah, because the first time we see him, other than pacing around, is he's spying on Kara while she's... 139 00:30:47,776 --> 00:31:02,640 dressing out of her beautiful robe for the night. So he's just a peeping Tom. Sure. We see how traumatized he was when he finally lays eyes on Michael later in the movie. It's one of my favorite scenes. 140 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:14,928 That's great. Dr. Loomis shows up because he's discovered that the Strode family, the extended Strode family, has moved into Michael Myers' house. 141 00:31:14,928 --> 00:31:28,448 And he gives Mrs. Strode all of the deets. Tells her all about how terrible her husband is. Because, of course, Mr. Strode, brother of the other Strode man. 142 00:31:28,448 --> 00:31:42,127 Lori's father. Lori's father. They couldn't sell the Myers house. And so somehow the whole Strode family didn't know about any of this and just moved into the Myers house. Right. 143 00:31:42,127 --> 00:31:54,864 sure sure like what were they were they living in like arizona or something exactly they're just out of it yep they were on lockdown or something 144 00:31:54,864 --> 00:32:07,872 Right after Loomis leaves, she calls her husband and gives him shit for all of this. It's so good. And she tells him she's going to leave him if he won't come with her, with the whole family. 145 00:32:07,872 --> 00:32:21,968 He just hangs up on her because he's a totally awesome guy. And as she's packing to get out of there, what happens to her, Brad? Very sadly, she runs into the fenced-in backyard. 146 00:32:21,968 --> 00:32:35,599 and uh michael michael gets her like it is one of the saddest deaths i think in the entire franchise because totally uh you know this woman is pretty beat down from her lunatic 147 00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:50,064 husband. It's pretty sad, but she gets in in a good way. There's splatter all on a sheet. Oh, yeah. Also important is that Michael Myers kills her with his traditional trademark weapon of an axe. 148 00:32:50,064 --> 00:33:02,256 An axe. And I'm underlining the word axe several times here. I believe he does carry his trademark knife in many other scenes. Oh yes, totally. Totally. 149 00:33:02,256 --> 00:33:16,319 He didn't have a hot, hot tub like Halloween 2 to catch people and stick them in. That's true. So with the baby in tow, Tommy convinces... 150 00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:30,655 Kara and Danny to come to his place because Michael Myers is going to kill everyone there. And then we see Tommy's Sisters of Mercy poster. Freak out. 151 00:33:30,655 --> 00:33:43,983 Pretty bitchin'. That's pretty Brad. Danny is left alone for five minutes with the funny landlady. Uh-huh. This funny landlady. I forgot to mention her. 152 00:33:43,983 --> 00:33:55,248 She was the one, Mrs. Blankenship, she was a character that was mentioned very briefly in other films, but she apparently was... 153 00:33:55,248 --> 00:34:09,168 Not doing a good job of babysitting young Michael Myers. Yeah. The night that he killed his sister. It's totally an invention of this film. Yeah. 154 00:34:09,168 --> 00:34:19,664 He had no babysitter. He was with his sister. Right, right. But I forgive it. Yeah, whatever. She tells her awesome Sam Haynes story, giving a... 155 00:34:19,664 --> 00:34:33,952 Giving Danny the long, boring version of where Halloween came from. And this kid's just staring at her like he stares at everybody else. He is comatose. Yes. Yes. Come on, Danny. Say goodnight to Mrs. Blankenship. 156 00:34:33,952 --> 00:34:45,023 Good night, Mrs. Blankenship. He hears the voice, you know, just like the other boy that lived in that house. What are you talking about? 157 00:34:45,023 --> 00:34:58,112 I was babysitting with him that night. Little Mikey Myers that lived across the street. And that's when the voice came. The night he murdered his sister. Michael heard a voice? 158 00:34:58,112 --> 00:35:13,088 Meanwhile, Barry Sims is in town. Apparently, Beth and Tim's plan is to get the attention of Barry. 159 00:35:13,088 --> 00:35:26,719 to help the town heal and get over this boring old Michael Myers crap and start celebrating Halloween proper at the big Halloween festival, which is happening. So I guess the town's fine. 160 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:38,208 I mean, basically, it's Footloose. We just want to dance the Moundstermash again, man. Barry Sims is a total asshole. 161 00:35:38,208 --> 00:35:51,552 I wrote in my notes that he's cooler than Howard Stern, though, so I guess I accept it. I guess. I'm not a Howard Stern fan. Apparently he has listeners. I don't know. Nah. I got sick of him in the 90s. 162 00:35:51,552 --> 00:36:01,632 Speaking of the 90s, this movie. Right. Barry sucks. Barry does suck. He's not very charismatic. He's got this awful... 163 00:36:01,632 --> 00:36:09,760 Delivery. And he's not a handsome fella. He's got a mustache. It's goofy. So I don't really know why he's got a following. 164 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:22,768 When we meet him, he's wearing a fedora like the man in black who's appeared earlier, Mr. Giallo. And he's got a black trench coat on and he's got boxers with like kisses on them. 165 00:36:22,768 --> 00:36:36,400 And then boots. That's all he's wearing. It's terrible. He shakes his moneymaker at the crowd and the crowd eats it up. Yep. He's rude and shitty to Beth. 166 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:49,824 And I'll drop the line of dialogue in here where he's an idiot. And then, of course, he finds out that, through Beth, that Tim lives in the Myers house. They decide to move the show to the Myers house. 167 00:36:49,824 --> 00:37:02,271 Does she get this riled up in the sack, Tim? I bet she wears crotchless panties and barks like a dog. Beth! What do you say, honey? You and me, yeah? What? 168 00:37:02,271 --> 00:37:15,920 Brad, tell us about the double whammies. We get two deaths. Barry gets it and Mr. Strode gets it. Tell me about these. All right, so Mr. Strode comes home. His wife is already dead. 169 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:30,512 He doesn't realize that. The washer in the basement, which we have seen, which is a creepy little place, is on the fritz. He goes downstairs to check it out. Michael kills him with the electric box. He electrocutes him. 170 00:37:30,512 --> 00:37:42,639 It's very satisfying. When they cut away, they cut away to an exterior shot and you see the windows there along the ground and they light up blue. 171 00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:56,416 That's another thing I wanted to mention. There's some blue tint, some blue hue, some blue gel, something in this film. And it's a nod, of course, to the original and the second one. So I appreciate that sort of stuff. 172 00:37:56,416 --> 00:38:11,311 When you can homage without being flashy or calling attention upon itself. Or just being a copycat. Right. And I wrote in my notes that Michael Myers kills him. 173 00:38:11,311 --> 00:38:25,088 with, and I'm underlining this, his traditional trademark weapon, electricity. Underline that. Yeah, yeah. Yep. That's funny. 174 00:38:25,088 --> 00:38:39,135 It's one of the most satisfying. Oh yeah. It's probably the most satisfying kill of the entire franchise. Cause he's just, he's just a dick wad, you know? And electricity makes his fucking head explode. 175 00:38:39,135 --> 00:38:53,119 It really does. I don't get the feeling that he is physically abusive. I do get the feeling that he is extremely emotionally abusive. He talks to his wife in a manner that is... 176 00:38:53,119 --> 00:39:07,536 There's no one called for. No. I will reveal this now. This was in somebody's reading of this movie that he, the Mr. Strode, is the father of little Danny Strode that... 177 00:39:07,536 --> 00:39:22,032 Kara ran away from home because she was being sexually abused by her father. And that's why good old Mr. Strode hates Danny so much and hates her so much because they're a reminder of his guilt. 178 00:39:22,032 --> 00:39:35,327 And I said, ew, but also, oh, that's not nice. Why would she come back to that? I mean, I guess she'd have to be at the end of her rope. Exactly. Exactly. Very sad. 179 00:39:35,327 --> 00:39:43,456 But what happens to Barry? So Barry walks off into this sea of vehicles, and he's on a gigantic cell phone. 180 00:39:43,456 --> 00:39:58,335 He's like, we're going live from the Myers house. He's like, are you kidding tomorrow night? I don't remember what example he gives, but he's like, we'll have the whole world after tomorrow. So he gets in a news van. 181 00:39:58,335 --> 00:40:13,119 or whatever and michael myers is in it and he kills the shit out of him and it's very satisfying as well because barry's awful but you you just you're like how did michael know which van barry was going to get in 182 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:25,775 Because Barry gets into the wrong van. He even says, wait, this isn't the right van. Yeah, it's not even the right van. But I guess Michael was waiting to kill somebody else and Barry just ran across his path. 183 00:40:25,775 --> 00:40:38,800 There's this scene next of this little girl, and she's in her Halloween costume, and she's like, it's raining, it's pouring. And she's like, Mom, it's raining red. It's raining red. And... 184 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:51,871 Paul Rudd shows up and slowly his gaze goes to the sky and we look up and he's strung up with lights and he's like, is he like in a Cupid costume? 185 00:40:51,871 --> 00:41:05,440 Yeah, the little girl dressed like an angel. That's right. And Barry strung up in a tree because Michael took the time and nobody saw Michael climb this tree and then hoist his body up in the air. 186 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:14,896 And, you know, decorating. Let me see something real quick. 187 00:41:14,896 --> 00:41:29,775 Barry looked very Nicotero to me, like one of his creations. Yeah. I'm not sure who did the gore. Yeah, some people I don't recognize. But yeah, no, it's fun. I love it. 188 00:41:29,775 --> 00:41:33,423 Great scene, especially back to back with the head exploding. It's so fun. 189 00:41:50,096 --> 00:42:02,976 Next, we get the tasteful lovemaking scene with Tim and Beth. They're both very horny and excited to be at the Myers house on Halloween night. 190 00:42:02,976 --> 00:42:17,552 So they get romantic in Carol's bed. Carol? In Kara's bed, which is not nice. Is this the tasteful? Yeah. Tell me about it. It's classy nudity. It's not gratuitous. 191 00:42:17,552 --> 00:42:31,519 It harkens again back to the original film where it makes sense for, you know, Linda to be like, see anything you like. Yes. Because it's in its proper context. And here it is as well. So she's topless. 192 00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:45,583 And so you see everything from the top up. I love the part when he gets up to leave. She goes, where are you going? He's like, I gotta go shower. And she gives him a look like, why? He's like, 193 00:42:45,583 --> 00:42:57,936 You know, got to stay fresh. You got to stay. It's one of the guys, a young guy. That's his, one of his goals is to stay fresh. It was the 90s. 194 00:42:57,936 --> 00:43:12,112 As a former teenage boy in the 90s, I can attest that I was getting fresh all over the place. Folks, I have a lot of favorite lines in the Halloween franchise, and this is one of them. This is amazing. 195 00:43:12,367 --> 00:43:26,431 It's so good. This is on par with Tyra Banks making that big old fricking latte for herself in, in resurrection. I love this so much. 196 00:43:26,431 --> 00:43:40,527 That's an episode that would get less listens than this one. Yes. Oh, we'll make sure that happens. Resurrection. Oh, boy. So then they get killed while... 197 00:43:40,527 --> 00:43:54,655 Kara's watching. We assume that Tim gets it in the shower just after the shower. And then, of course, Beth gets it while she's on the phone. Then frickin' Dr. Wynn reveals his true self. 198 00:43:54,655 --> 00:44:06,512 to Dr. Loomis and to Tommy and to Kara and to Danny. He is the man in black. He's the one who's been sneaking in and whispering and trying to turn Danny into the next Michael Myers, I guess. 199 00:44:06,512 --> 00:44:21,007 I do, if I'm not mistaken, I do think I remember from Taking Shape that they really didn't have an answer for who the man in black was at the end of the war. They wrote themselves into a corner, sure. They sure did. 200 00:44:21,007 --> 00:44:33,391 Speaking of writing yourself into a corner, I love these two things. Kara decides to take the easy way out without fighting these freaking druids that are all up in the business. 201 00:44:33,391 --> 00:44:47,760 She jumps out the window and all I could think of was all like the big window scene from, uh, was it part four of Friday the 13th has the spectacular jumping out the window shit or being thrown out the window. Oh man. 202 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:59,648 And then everything goes black. Yeah, so when the cult of Thorne show up, that's pretty much when this movie goes off the rails for me. Yep. 203 00:44:59,648 --> 00:45:13,903 she's thrown out a window and we see her on the ground and then we see Loomis and Tommy talking and it's like this is the sort of trick you pull in a television show. 204 00:45:13,903 --> 00:45:25,184 But this is a film. Yeah. And it's important that we see what happened. No. You know? And do not do that. Because... 205 00:45:25,184 --> 00:45:38,704 This is also where it changes and the producers cut. So even back in the 90s when I saw this, I could tell there's something missing here. Something's wrong. Because this is... 206 00:45:38,704 --> 00:45:50,271 weird. It's a weird edit. It's a weird... It's not a weird visual edit. It's a weird story edit. Because Tommy and Loomis wake up and they're both like... 207 00:45:50,271 --> 00:46:04,608 Why do I feel like this? We've been drugged. Why didn't they just kill us? I don't know. They need us for something. Sure they do. I mean, right? Sure they do. It's awful. I love it. I would marry this scene. No, I mean, I think it's great, but it's also... 208 00:46:04,608 --> 00:46:18,719 What are y'all doing? It's sloppy. Yeah. It's also fricking test audiences screwing shit up. So. Where is she? Where's Kara? I feel like I've been drugged. 209 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:31,072 We have been drugged. Why are they doing this? Why didn't they just kill us? It's his game. And I know where he wants to play it. 210 00:46:31,072 --> 00:46:41,903 Now we all go to Smith's Grove. Now we're running around in the long, creepy hallways underneath Smith's Grove and all the hospital stuff. 211 00:46:41,903 --> 00:46:55,056 love that we end up in a weird creepy hospital just like halloween 2 i think um brad you might be a fan of that one i am a fan of halloween 2 yes sir 212 00:46:55,056 --> 00:47:08,992 I think it's an excellent sequel. Me too, me too. It is also a film that's got a different edit, oddly enough. Sure, sure. We get Tommy Doyle running around and meeting... 213 00:47:08,992 --> 00:47:22,288 um this uh this crazy woman who's one of the patients of smith grove who has been stabbed by michael and he has the best response to her she goes how does it feel to be damned 214 00:47:22,288 --> 00:47:34,496 And it reveals that she's been stabbed by Michael Myers. And he just goes, oh, shit. He ends up rescuing. Kara wakes up locked in a room. 215 00:47:34,496 --> 00:47:41,280 Who knows what nefarious purposes they're going to use her for. Maybe making some more druid babies later. You never know. 216 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:55,344 But as Tommy is trying to break her out of this room with a fire extinguisher breaking the doorknob, he finally comes face to face with his childhood meanie, Michael Myers, coming down the hall. And man. 217 00:47:55,344 --> 00:48:07,920 His brain breaks when he sees Michael for the first time in all this time. It's so good. Yep. That Paul Rudd is going places. I'm telling you. 218 00:48:08,143 --> 00:48:22,880 And then I wrote in my notes, more like Laurie Strobe, am I right? Yes, because it turns into this dance party. Yes, the Druids and Dr. Nguyen have little baby Steven. 219 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:33,440 And they're about to do some kind of ritual with him. I have no idea what. Lots of medical equipment. All the doctors and nurses. Dr. Wynn's got his custom red. 220 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:47,440 operating uniform, like he's friend fricking, uh, dead ringers or something. Uh-huh. And, uh, yeah, Michael. Everyone else is in white. Nope. Michael's not down with it. And if Michael's not down with it. 221 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:59,056 No one's down with it. He slaughters them. That's where you get all the strobe effect. It's fun. It is fun. We get lots of creepy medical imagery. We get... 222 00:48:59,056 --> 00:49:10,016 Babies in jars and stillborn things and various chemicals which will be used to subdue Michael as best as possible. 223 00:49:10,016 --> 00:49:22,896 And then to protect the baby and to protect Danny, Tommy and Kara team up on Michael Myers and beat his butt. Boy. It's so funny. I just love it. It is a concerted effort. 224 00:49:22,896 --> 00:49:36,159 Yeah, no, I love it. I love it where Tommy injects him with like 16 syringes of stuff. It finally gets to him, sort of. And then... 225 00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:49,519 That's over pretty much. Yeah. They just beat him up for a while. Yeah. So they beat on him and then, uh, they get out of there and then there's a shot and Tommy and Kara. 226 00:49:49,519 --> 00:50:02,032 And the boy, Danny, in a Jeep. And Dr. Lewis is standing outside of it. They're like, well, you sure you won't come with us? And he's like, no, I've got something to do. 227 00:50:03,056 --> 00:50:16,239 And that's something to do was to go inside and scream. Yep. And then the end. Off camera. Oh, man. Sloppy, sloppy. 228 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:29,887 You could tell then also there was something missing. Yep. It has been, I think we've been watching the theatrical version for a few years, honestly. Sure. It's been a little while since I've seen the producers. 229 00:50:29,887 --> 00:50:39,711 If I remember correctly, it ends with they passed on the curse of Thorne, which was Michael Myers, to Dr. Loomis. 230 00:50:39,711 --> 00:50:50,128 Yep. Which seems like a terrible idea. It's the future. This 78-year-old man. 231 00:50:50,128 --> 00:51:02,335 So that didn't work out either, obviously. No, no. And so I think the theatrical is probably, you should watch both. Yeah, absolutely. I think the theatrical is... 232 00:51:02,335 --> 00:51:14,384 First of all, I was amazed when this got a release. This got an official release on DVD and then it got an official release on Blu-ray and then it's in the box set. Can't complain there. No, I just... 233 00:51:14,384 --> 00:51:25,791 I had seen the footage. You'd seen the footage everybody had on YouTube and it's impossible to watch the footage that they had from the work print. It's just real crappy looking. Yeah. 234 00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:38,480 So, hey, they listened to the consumers, and hey, guess what? People bought it. So the mere fact that they put it out is amazing in itself. I agree. 235 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:53,248 Toil, toil, and trouble. Time to call Empire on the double. They're having a monster carpet sale today to help you with carpet in every which way. Save 50% off all of their best. See samples in your home. Make sure it goes with the rest. 236 00:51:53,248 --> 00:52:05,807 They install the next day. Six months till you pay. Empire's monster carpet sale. Call now. Don't delay. 237 00:52:05,807 --> 00:52:20,351 So we've got some other crew here real quick before we jump all the way into the trivia. We've got cinematographer Billy Dixon who shot Grotesque from 1987, a very silly movie with Linda Blair. 238 00:52:20,351 --> 00:52:33,423 Then he made a bunch of made-for-TV movies. And then Ally McBeal and One Tree Hill were his claim to fame. He shot a lot of episodes of those masterpieces. Wow. 239 00:52:33,423 --> 00:52:42,639 Yep. That's why it looks so good. Yeah, dude. I mean, this and Ally McBeal, absolute masterpieces. No doubt. 240 00:52:42,639 --> 00:53:07,599 The composers, plural, there's Alan Howarth, of course, the legend of the franchise. I love him. The man. So good. There was some dispute over which... of his music ended up in the movie uh another composer called paul rob johns which sounds like a made-up name um it does 241 00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:21,840 His horror claim to fame was he was the composer on Children of the Corn Five, Fields of Terror. Classic. But yeah, folks, all of Alan Howard's music is on YouTube if you want to hear it separate from the movie. It's wonderful. 242 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:33,088 I don't pay for it at all. The editor is Randy Bricker, which just sounds like someone who shits a lot to me. 243 00:53:33,088 --> 00:53:47,168 Sorry. Sorry, Mr. Bricker. You're wonderful. I just couldn't resist the joke. He edited Hellraiser Bloodline, everyone's favorite Hellraiser sequel. Which one is that? The one in space. Oh, yeah. I saw that one. 244 00:53:47,168 --> 00:53:55,824 We'll be coming back. We have a little detail about that. We'll come back to that later. He also edited Phantoms from 1998, the Dean R. Kuntz novel. 245 00:53:55,824 --> 00:54:10,224 Same year, he edited Bride of Chucky, so he kind of redeems himself with some horror fans with the wonderful Bride of Chucky. Wow. This was filmed all over Salt Lake City. Have you ever been to Utah for your work, Brad? 246 00:54:10,224 --> 00:54:23,023 I've been through Utah, yes. I have seen the Salt Flats. Oh, cool. Yeah, I've been there for something with my family, probably to go to a national park or something. Very nice. 247 00:54:23,023 --> 00:54:37,599 All right, folks. I'm going to try to do this fast and loose, folks. There's a lot of trivia. This is one-eighth of the trivia or less about this film. First up, we got the alternate titles from different countries. 248 00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:51,760 The Danish title translates to Night of the Masks Part 6. Very nice. In Mandarin, the title translates to Black Horror Night, which I think is misleading. Applicable. 249 00:54:51,760 --> 00:55:04,592 Yep, sort of. Okay. There's no black people in this movie, but that's fine. Well, maybe they're not black as in dark. I know. I was being silly. In Portuguese, the title is... 250 00:55:04,592 --> 00:55:20,880 Halloween, The Last Revenge. Ooh. it's like there's been other revenges but this is the last revenge exactly in Japanese the title translates to Halloween the final battle interesting 251 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:33,568 In Turkish, the title translates to Death Scream. That's weak. Finally, my favorite. In Vietnamese, the title of this movie is 252 00:55:33,568 --> 00:55:44,000 Carnival of Horrors 6, The Killer Curse. Wow. Wow. Oh, boy. Good dog. Okay. 253 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:57,728 So after Halloween 5, Mustafa Akkad wanted to wait to make another Halloween because Halloween 5 was so poorly received. What he didn't expect was the rights lapsed during this time. 254 00:55:57,728 --> 00:56:10,751 So before he could work on Halloween 6, he had to fight for the ownership of the movie with John Carpenter, who was being backed by Bob Shea of New Line Cinema for the rights. 255 00:56:10,751 --> 00:56:25,264 Akkad teamed up with the Wienersteins. Oh, sorry, Weinsteins. And of course, Akkad won the bidding war. The wrong people won. What can you say? 256 00:56:25,264 --> 00:56:39,023 Yes, that is absolutely right. But John Carpenter wanted to have Michael Myers stalking and killing people on a space station. That'd be all right with me. Yeah, Mustafa Akkad. 257 00:56:39,023 --> 00:56:53,280 insist that john carpenter wasn't joking about sending michael myers to space i love it yeah uh the script went through 11 drafts which i think is a low number i think it went through more than that yeah like 258 00:56:53,280 --> 00:57:05,599 18 at least. No joke. So here's the list of directors that were supposed to work on this. Brace yourself. First up, we have got... 259 00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:20,576 Fred Walton, who did When a Stranger Calls and April Fool's Day. Acceptable. Acceptable. This job was also offered to Peter Jackson. He turned it down. 260 00:57:20,576 --> 00:57:33,391 Yeah, probably wise move on his part. Yep, they asked Quentin Tarantino if he wanted to write this movie, and he suggested that they use Scott Spiegel, rest in peace, just passed away. 261 00:57:33,391 --> 00:57:44,880 of evil dead 2 and intruder fame scott spiegel took one look at the screenplay and said oh i need to do a page one rewrite and they said no thanks so he got bumped 262 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:58,255 Someone volunteered to do this movie. Jeff Burr, who directed Stepfather 2, Leatherface, a.k.a. Turner Classic Movies. Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 263 00:57:58,255 --> 00:58:09,023 Three. Um, he also directed pumpkin head two and multiple puppet master sequels, but he didn't get the gig. Wow. 264 00:58:09,023 --> 00:58:23,632 The director of Hider in the House, starring Gary Busey, Mr. Matthew Patrick, was also supposed to direct. And finally, finally, my favorite potential director, Brad, are you ready for this? 265 00:58:23,728 --> 00:58:38,032 I am ready. Do you know who Mustafa Akkad wanted the whole time from the beginning? Who? Michele Sawavi. Wow. I was not ready. 266 00:58:38,032 --> 00:58:51,184 Because of the rights issues and Michele Soave not really wanting to do the movie, it ended up not working out. Well, that's what happens when you don't want to make a movie. That's terrible shame. 267 00:58:51,184 --> 00:59:05,840 So Wavi's situation has been, it kind of, it's kind of been like the end of Italian horror in a way. Yeah. Yeah. When he walked away from the genre, it really, it really hurt things, but where could he go? He'd already done. 268 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:19,280 What he wanted to do, you know? Yeah, he didn't have a sick kid. He did, yeah. Very rough. He's still working, I think. But yeah, he took a long time off. Yeah, I think he's doing TV. Yeah. 269 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:34,224 Here's some other little fun things. Danielle Harris wanted to return as Jamie, but cheap ass Dimension Films refused to pay her five grand that she wanted. So she just like, forget it. I'm out of here. 270 00:59:34,224 --> 00:59:48,688 I mean, I've got nothing against that other actress, but I don't even consider that to be Jamie Lloyd. Yeah, I like that other lady, but it's like one of those things that would have been so perfect. Daniel Harris has proved to be just, you know, great scream queen. 271 00:59:48,688 --> 01:00:01,135 Yeah. Of course, Donald Pleasance passed away before all the reshoots could start. They'd use a body double. Director for Mr. Farans wanted Christopher Lee to play win, but that just didn't work out. Of course. 272 01:00:01,135 --> 01:00:08,800 John Carpenter wanted Christopher Lee to play Loomis originally. Yep. The jerk didn't take it. Nope. 273 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:19,168 The budget for this film was slashed by $1 million before they started to prepare for Hellraiser Bloodline. 274 01:00:19,168 --> 01:00:33,344 The studio was betting that Bloodline was going to be a bigger movie, which was not true because this tripled its $5 million budget at the box office. 275 01:00:33,344 --> 01:00:44,208 Wow. This had the largest opening weekend out of the entire Halloween series until Halloween 2018. Wow. That's cool. Yeah. 276 01:00:44,208 --> 01:00:58,880 One of the things that caused all the problems was a test audience of quote unquote 14 year old boys eviscerated the film, especially the Celtic ritual rune ending, which we see in the producer's cut. Well. 277 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:13,664 Why are they screen testing 14-year-old boys? That's what they said. It probably was an exaggeration. I don't know. I would love to go into all the differences between the two versions, but we'd be here for six hours. 278 01:01:13,664 --> 01:01:27,472 Brad, any other feels about this movie you want to tell me about? Yeah, so I was 16 when it came out, so that's a time of life that's supposed to be one of the better parts of your life. 279 01:01:27,472 --> 01:01:38,208 I do look back on it now with fondness. That probably gives it points from me that maybe others would not be so inclined to give. 280 01:01:38,208 --> 01:01:50,175 They mentioned the Myers House being on Lampkin Lane, and there's a Lampkin Lane here in Bowling Green. Cool. That's where they got that title. So even as late as this, they're still drawing. 281 01:01:50,175 --> 01:02:04,719 references to the warren county area of course you see uh smith grove san antonio san antonio smith grove sanitarium warren county so it's it's it's just neat 282 01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:16,864 Paul Rudd filmed this first, but Clueless came out before this. So this is technically, it's not his film debut, but it would have been had they released it on schedule. 283 01:02:16,864 --> 01:02:24,431 before they let the 14-year-old boys hack it up. Donald Pleasance is sort of in it. 284 01:02:24,431 --> 01:02:38,032 The scene of his that I like the most is probably his first scene where they're there at his house when Wynn comes to visit. And the radio's like, I heard Dr. 285 01:02:38,032 --> 01:02:49,824 loomis is dead and he's like not dead yet and he tells yeah he tells win and he's like you know it's foolish to try to play halloween pranks on me 286 01:02:49,824 --> 01:03:03,856 The whole idea of Dr. Loomis living out in the country somewhere in a nice little cottage where he could read and apparently listen to Barry. Write his memoirs. Yeah, it really appeals to me. 287 01:03:03,856 --> 01:03:16,672 I think that's probably the way he should have gone out. I mean, in this theatrical version, it's true. He goes back in and you just hear him scream. And what he's screaming is, is the scream is actually because he has been passed. 288 01:03:16,672 --> 01:03:30,047 the curse of thorn which again like we talked about it was a strategic error part of the cult of thorn i find the movie very stylish as far as things go it's very colorful it looks great on blu-ray totally 289 01:03:30,047 --> 01:03:44,672 It's really got a great, I think, great Halloween atmosphere. It's not one of the, probably not one of the better ones, but what it's got going for it, it really has going for it, which is its Halloween atmosphere, I think. 290 01:03:44,672 --> 01:03:58,976 It's nice visual palette and the nudity. Yeah, totally. But I dig it. I dig the movie. I understand why people don't. It is disjointed. But now I see it as part of its charm. 291 01:03:58,976 --> 01:04:11,215 nice what say you sir well i watched this later like i didn't see this until i was getting back into horror movies and really loving 292 01:04:11,215 --> 01:04:24,271 just revisiting old slashers and stuff and filling in the gaps in my movie fandom of this genre. And I thought six was okay. It was different than I expected. Obviously it was different than what everybody expected. 293 01:04:24,271 --> 01:04:36,527 But the next viewing I had, which might have been during the Michael Myers-a-thon, was this got me to finally watch Jason Goes to Hell, which I'd avoided for years. 294 01:04:36,527 --> 01:04:50,847 And now I love both. I love both of these movies. In fact, when I reach for a Halloween movie, we watch all of them every year, but there's three movies that I get really excited about in this franchise. Part five, this. 295 01:04:50,847 --> 01:05:03,519 And Resurrection. You know me very well, sir. Those are my three favorites. I know you very well. I don't think they're better than the first movie and the second movie and the third movie. I don't think they're better. It's just something about... 296 01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:17,295 these three films especially this one very comforting and like we talked about i love you for that oh thank you sir i love you too the producer's cut i don't like as much as this 297 01:05:17,295 --> 01:05:31,168 Sure. I do like it, though. I'm really glad we have it, like we talked about, that we're spoiled having that. That's too cool. But this one has all the Halloween-y feels. It's lovely to look at. 298 01:05:31,168 --> 01:05:43,679 The grunge movie. I love secret grunge movies. I think Michael's mask in this is almost good. It looks cool. They tried to age it. So it looks like he like. 299 01:05:43,679 --> 01:05:53,184 It's almost aging like a human face would age. Yeah. But they made the mask too big as people have complained about. 300 01:05:53,184 --> 01:06:06,576 And I kind of agree with that too. He looks a little silly. He looks less crazy than he does in both seven and eight. And in eight, I really think they were trying to make him look. 301 01:06:06,576 --> 01:06:21,456 like a black guy. Like he, he looks, what is this mask? What were they going for? Very different, very different cultural icons. And don't forget, as you say, every sequel is good. Yeah. 302 01:06:21,456 --> 01:06:34,496 Once you're past part five, all sequels are good. Mm-hmm. And I was explaining to somebody today that there was 13 of these movies. Wow. Yeah, there's eight original. 303 01:06:34,496 --> 01:06:47,376 and then two Rob Zombies, and then three of the new trilogy. It's like, holy crap, how did we get here? Here's the thing. I think the Cult of Thorne, I think it's kind of stupid. Yep. But... 304 01:06:47,376 --> 01:06:58,927 they tried something different and i have to applaud them for it because people are like try something different and people do and they're like we hate that go back to the original yeah and then they make the 305 01:06:58,927 --> 01:07:11,679 They make a remake that's shot for shot the same, and they're like, do something original. Yeah. And hey, I'm nitpicky, you know, like different franchises. Oh, sure. 306 01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:24,784 I can't stand Jason X. I don't know why. I should love it. It just does not click with me at all. I would rather re-watch Jason Takes Manhattan. 307 01:07:24,784 --> 01:07:38,815 I'd rather rewatch Jason Goes to Hell. Jason X's Don't Float My Boat, whereas Leprechaun in Space is a masterpiece. Jason X is like, it's filmed like Hercules and Xena. 308 01:07:38,815 --> 01:07:49,184 It's filmed in that sort of format. And I think that may be part of it. It's just it looks cheap. Yeah, totally. 309 01:07:49,184 --> 01:08:01,775 Last thing is this movie, this cut is 87 minutes. You're in, you're out, you're done. I love it. It's brilliant. Just do it. I usually wish movies would be shorter. 310 01:08:01,775 --> 01:08:13,168 So this works out great. I always wish a movie. Yeah. I looked at it last night. No kidding. And we've not talked about this. I put the disc in and when it came on. 311 01:08:13,168 --> 01:08:26,608 The first thing I did was hit display so I could see how long it was, and I'm like an hour 28. Boom. Let's go. Yeah, let's do this. Oh, man, Bradwell, do you feel... 312 01:08:26,608 --> 01:08:41,568 Do you feel certifiably spooky by our discussion? I do. I do. I hope everyone has a great Halloween. Hell yeah. All three of you that are listening to this Halloween 6 episode. 313 01:08:41,568 --> 01:08:55,792 Hell yeah. This is going to be a fan favorite. I know it. I don't know if I performed as well tonight as I had in the last, what, two times. We'll see. Well, here, say your famous catchphrase. 314 01:08:55,792 --> 01:09:02,479 That you've been known for forever. And I'll drop it in all over the episode. So people are like, whoa. 315 01:09:08,591 --> 01:09:18,192 I was hoping that you were thinking of some other catchphrase and I'd catch you off guard and you would go, no, something, something, something. And I'd be like, oh yeah, I remember that. 316 01:09:18,448 --> 01:09:44,336 It didn't work out that way. No, you say a lot of things. Like, is it any count? Is it any count? It's the day of the show, y'all. Oh, you're on a... gravy train with biscuit wheels you're on a gravy train with biscuit wheels that's right and that means you're you're doing very well in life 317 01:09:44,431 --> 01:09:58,304 But how much better could you be if you were on a gravy train with biscuit wheels? But now it's going to be a, because it's Halloween, it's a corn candy train with... 318 01:09:58,304 --> 01:10:12,000 what would be the wheels jack-o'-lantern wheels jack-o'-lantern wheels yeah pumpkin wheels that's right candy corn train with pumpkin wheels happy halloween folks and 319 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,568 We'll see you soon. Bye. Goodbye. 320 01:10:35,024 --> 01:10:44,720 Folks, thanks so much for listening to this episode. If you'd like to write into the show, send an email to doomedmoviethon at gmail. 321 01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:58,112 Or hit us up at DoomedMovieThon on Instagram or at DoomedMovieThon on Twitter or at DoomedMovieThon at Discord. Or go to HelloThisIsTheDoomedShow on Facebook and message us there. 322 01:10:58,112 --> 01:11:11,039 If you want more Hello, This is the Doomed show, go to doomedmoviethon.com and click the podcast button for the archive. 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