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Welcome to Season 3 of the Geeked out Collecting Podcast :)
For this episode I brought on Steven from @pokedreamer. Yes, that PokeDreamer ;) Steven is an architect by day and Pokemon collector and PSA/CGC/BGS display maker by night. He's an OG collector and what really drew me to his account was his amazing collection of Southern Island cards. Specifically his two complete PSA 10 sets (he used to have 3). We definitely had a great chat and of course he tells us the story of when he sold one of his slabs to then turn around and by it back, enjoy!
At Geeked Out Collecting podcast we apply financial and investing principles to our hobby collecting - from trading card games like Pokemon and Magic the Gathering to Comic books and Funko Pops, we do it all. The goal is to turn dusty hobby collections into profitable nest eggs.
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Find us on: www.geekedoutcollecting.com
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cool so um where are you based out of i am
in connecticut oh okay yeah i moved here
almost three years ago from uh new york so me
and my wife decided to raise our boy someplace
a little bit more chill quiet but uh still
a drive away from you know back where we're
from so oh nice nice that's awesome that's
awesome yeah so you're you're east coast yeah
yeah that's cool it's you know it's been really
nice to um like just talk to people in the hobby
meet people in the hobby because there's people
from like everywhere that i've been meeting which
is really cool and you know i i kind of like too
having having those connections because you know
like with the convention coming up with charlie
and with uh eric like that's gonna be so much fun
i didn't think the hobby would take me places
you know like literally physically yeah that's
awesome i i travel a lot for my regular job and
uh this is my first like collecting trip the last
uh collecticon in texas so that was really cool um
i'm actually not going to be able to go to the uh
the florida show i had to i had to back out yeah
so yeah personal reasons with um uh wife's having
a surgery uh very close to that that weekend so
i had to back out but you know there will be more
for sure there will be yeah i'll be sad but
wife is more important absolutely i hope she
she's good thank you yeah it should be fine
but um yeah collecting is uh it's really fun
it could take you places like i never you know
pictured i'd be doing something like this you know
you know yeah few months ago rather
so yeah you know it's really fun
how was a collecticon while you were there
because that was in dallas right no that was
in frisco yeah it's like texas yeah it's right
yeah it was really good it was really hot um
it was it's what i expected and i also didn't
expect it to be like that like high octane
at you know 10 in the morning with the dudes
singing i think i posted like this is way too
lit for a sunday morning you know it was just
it it was cool it was cool a good experience uh
i got to meet some you know people that i talk
to on instagram all the time and um like some of
the affiliates that i have with the displays and
all that it was just really cool to finally like
shake somebody's hand and and uh meet face to face
so similar to this but you know like reach out
yeah yeah i can definitely agree uh with you
on that because uh rock pokemon connor he was
in town i'm i'm based out of chicago
the chicago area and uh we met around
uh the fourth of july weekend because he
happened to be in town and you know we had
been talking back and forth for like i don't
know maybe six months or something like it
felt like i had already known him because we had
been on zooms and stuff like that so it was like
it wasn't weird to meet in person but i already i
felt like i already met him in person it's weird
that was a strange like but yeah anyways it's
so cool to meet people absolutely um in real
life but um yeah i mean i'm glad you had a
good time it looked like it was a lot of fun
and i agree with you like 10 a.m rocking out
like let me drink some coffee first like hold up
oh yeah totally totally sometimes you know i
forgot to eat my wife had to go run out and
my my kid who's three and a half you know who's
just hanging out we got him this really intricate
car that he could like build and take apart just
to keep him occupied and um he's not really super
into pokemon or or power rangers yet like i i
made him sit and watch like the original power
rangers movie with me and he got scared with ivan
news he's like no there's a purple guy in there so
so um you know one day this stuff will be his and
i hope by then i could get him to appreciate it
but uh it was definitely fun i'm excited for the
the next one i think they're gonna become more
of like a circuit where they go and um you know i
think i think they mentioned something about vegas
so that would make sense like gary's out there
so that'll be pretty cool yeah i i agree with
you i didn't i didn't think was that the first
time they'd ever done it no no um so i think
again i i wasn't really following the whole scene
like in depth with an account and all this stuff
like i was basically a closet collector i wasn't
very social but um i think it was called poke con
before uh like after a couple years however long
they've been doing it might have been the same
people and then they started to combine it and
you know there were some sports guys at the show
i think they're trying to make it more like dallas
card show but um a pokemon you know centered so uh
yeah that was definitely definitely a good
experience i'm excited to to go to the next
one they're like a really tight tight knit um you
know they run they run on a tight ship there so
it was very well organized any questions you had
leading up they were just really really attentive
and it was well put together yeah that's awesome
well anyways let's get started talking about
you because i think because that's that's what
everyone is here for they want to get to know
you better um and get to know more collectors in
the hobby so if you could tell us about you and
kind of uh how you are as a collector what you
collect just your collecting journey let us know
sure well i'm steve i go by the
name pokey dreamer on instagram
uh i make and sell those displays back there
that's a new venture i started in october um
and i've been collecting on and off ever
since i was a kid basically it started with
basketball cards back in the early 90s
um power rangers and just toys and then
obviously when pokemon came out you know the
video games the first thing like the the craze
of the video games my first memory was i was
12 years old and i rollerbladed from my house
three miles on a rainy day in the street
alone with a backpack full of quarters to buy
a game shark so i could catch mew in the game and
be like the cool kid in school so so like that's
that's like my first memory in you know like when
you're a kid and you're passionate about something
i guess that that sticks with you and you tend to
forget it when things don't you know things aren't
cool like in high school some people stayed with
it i you know in high school i definitely did not
it wasn't the cool thing i was skateboarding
playing basketball like whatever that was
that was my thing then and then um it just i
don't know it came back to me around college uh 20
2008 actually i bought four sealed boxes of
the japanese southern islands which is like
my favorite thing if you haven't realized by now
like there's there's a psa 10 set back there on my
wall i just it's just for me as a kid like that
was the like most interesting thing at the time
these these new pokemon like pika blue who was
that you know i knew for i knew from numbers 1
to 151 and then i never really got into the gen
2 stuff that's when i started like just kind of
you know inching away from from the hobby um that
was around i guess that would be like eighth grade
ninth grade that's when i kind of just stopped
and uh picked up the skateboard like i said but
um yeah 2008 uh ebay was like you know totally
just open season whatever you want you could go on
there um you know i wasn't really looking at first
edition base then it was just like i was looking
at things that i didn't really get as a kid that
i wanted so i was picking up from where i left off
and i would just you know buy something here and
there i mainly stuck to like southern islands team
rocket um and then started buying again some loose
singles like i stopped in 2008 maybe for like
two months i bought some stuff on and off
stopped it away in a rubbermaid bin you know
i protected myself i didn't just throw it in
there um and then i guess it would be 2012 2013
when i was uh graduating college i went to
school for a long time i worked through college
i'm an architect in in the real world so i worked
my way through school um you know and then uh
when i finally started making some adult money i
started buying some children's toys again so which
is pretty funny but uh yeah it was just it was
just a totally different time then you could buy
cards like sight on the scene i remember going on
this one website um professor oak cards it's still
around but there's like nothing available now
he used to just have pictures of cards you could
click and everything was near mint so i remember
buying a first edition base zapdos for like 85
without seeing a picture of the actual card it
was just like a stock image and i graded it like
that was in 2012. i graded it last year and it
was a psa 9. like that right that's that's crazy
um and then same thing with like my my shining
uh mewtwo first edition from neo destiny i think
i paid like it was under a hundred bucks sight
unseen you know it was one of those things where
like you could uh get on get on his email list
and he'll notify you when there's something in
stock so i remember watching um the first edition
dining charizard and the shining mewtwo and when
i got the link the email with the links for both
of them i clicked the charizard first it was gone
that was selling for 250 dollars at the time
um you know i probably would have graded a nine
the like i said the mewtwo was about a hundred
and that also graded a nine so you know nowadays
it's it's not as easy and uh like i'd say the
trust isn't there there's a lot of there's a lot
of bad actors and stuff you know where there's
money to be made back then it wasn't really
it wasn't really like that so um for me kind of
just you know waking up from like my hobby coma
you know almost two years ago and just looking
at prices of things um it and to hear the word
like investing with pokemon i was like really
you're not just like buying it it just so happens
to cost a little more like that was totally
that was a totally different concept for me
i still have a hard time like almost cringing
when i hear it but it makes sense um but yeah
it's whenever i buy something i don't really call
it investing really i'm buying what makes me happy
with or without the value being there just so
happens that some of the things are valuable
um you know like with like all my recent power
rangers uh purchases like they're totally not like
i wouldn't say maybe like one or two of the old
comics i consider investments because i'm like all
right you know what maybe you know this is like
the first appearance of them in an english comic
and you know uh maybe in a few years from now
but you know the pops are so low the books are
so hard to find yes it will probably you know
increase in value but like i'm not expecting
stonks you know what's the same definitely oh no
no to the moons no no i'm not no definitely not um
kind of just chill i'm just happy with you know
but my my collection right now is pretty much
um it's thinned out for the most part um i have
some sealed product but nothing like crazy vintage
except for my uh like southern ireland's boxes
which i i took some stuff out some goodies to
play i mean i mean that's that okay so other
than i'm trying to remember how i came across
your account and i think it was because i actually
bought your three by three frame you didn't have
i love it fortnight i remember yes yes
and i do i do want to get custom ones made
and i guess when we talk about it later
um i'm positioning myself to be able to do
um just really quick turnaround times on custom
items so just the way that my my whole operation
is assembled right now put together um i'm in the
process of actually leasing a space dedicated for
for this little side project of mine which is
fun and you know with like the laser cutter
and everything that i'll uh be getting i'll
be able to do so much more with it wall art
like just just crazy things um like acoustic
panels for streamers like a whole bunch of i
i have a whole bunch of ideas i'm a creator
you know i was an artist uh you know high
school i'm a licensed architect in the real
world i like to build things and tinker so
um yeah we'll see what happens with that yeah i'm
i'm really excited for that and i'm really excited
to see your business grow because i did you come
on the scene in october last year no no i remember
um it was when i started my instagram account i
believe it was either the end of december uh 2019
or only yeah it was like right like right before
the pandemic that's when i had the uh dedicated
instagram account and i think i just started
posting pictures of like a couple of raw cards or
whatever and just following accounts that i liked
like you know some of the youtubers i had known
at the time uh rusty uh sm pratt like that's i
wasn't really into the hype channels i'm still not
but just something where you know like what you're
doing you get collectors on and you talk you're
you're you're kind of bringing value to the space
i'm not like i'm i don't really i'm not really
excited about you know screaming when somebody
pulls a charizard that's that's not my five um but
i but i respect it like that's cool i get excited
too like with the shaky hands that that's really
fun i just you know i i it's not for me i wouldn't
probably have a channel uh doing that i would
love to do something where i bring value um i just
my wife's been telling me oh you should start a
channel and and you know talk about collecting
i'm like well i don't know what i would talk
about that's not being spoken about already what
what new am i bringing you know so i don't know
some people been telling me you know i have all
these power rangers cards why don't you do some
openings of them because i have duplicates of
like every single set in english ever made so
you know that could be something i do i have a few
people on here that ask me about that uh togepi
jones the guy juggling josh like he's asked me to
do it so i don't know i might do that eventually
but um like i said i'm not really into freaking
out on camera um oh i understand yeah yeah
yeah well um i mean so so other than the fact that
i love the frames because obviously i have one um
but the other thing that really drew me to your
ig was because you have southern islands that's my
favorite set and and right when i had found your
account i had just recently like gotten sealed
japanese and then i got let me see how many full
sets i have i have one full set of the japanese
cards and then two full english sets and and you
know obviously i say sealed japanese because i
actually can't tell whether or not it was
opened you know because how those you know
i could tell i could tell you right now how
they're open because i've opened in order to
get the three psa 10 sets that i actually had at
one point now i have two um this uh guy on here
pokemon josh he actually bought my third set from
me with the displays to go with it the black ones
yeah that was last year kind of regret selling
it but um i also sold last year between 30 and 40
of my of my sealed sets um that i had from back
in oh wait i just kept them over the years i
would sell a couple um i had opened a bunch to
get to grade my my sets that you see here and uh
yeah i'm just down to two but yeah if you look
on the back of of the packs there's a glue strip
that should be on the back left side and and
if you see stripes it's been opened if the
glue strip is solid it's it's sealed so it's
i check ebay listings now and i notice that
most of them and a lot of people message me too
on like in dms on instagram asking if i have any
for sale or or can you check if this is sealed
or not um and yeah most of them are searched
and yeah and i feel like they don't have to be
you could you could look there's the window on
the front of the packs so like you could kind of
look at the centering without opening the packs
you know you can see the borders of the cards
and for the most part you know the one in the
middle will will give you a hint as to what
the other two look like so you don't have to
open it i don't know why people do that yeah and
then and then they say that it's sealed you know
not been opened when in fact it probably is you
know they haven't surged right i'll show you what
the seal looks like hang on one second okay yeah
let's do it see this is what i'm here for because
this kind of information is hard to find out
hard to find out in the wild yeah okay so
so there's two you know there's the rainbow
island and then there's a tropical island so this
is the inside of here there's 60 packs and
this is the one that has the um it's basically
the merrell the slow king and the
vile plume in here there's 20 of each
what so in one box it has 20 of those each
so there's six there's 60 packs in here this
is again this is the one it's kind of hard to
see hanging the ones the ones that are in there
and then i actually have to get a case for
these i'll probably have to get one custom made
um and then this is the the the big one with the
muse in there yeah so there's 20 mews in there
20 uh togepi and 20 ladybugs so yeah these
these are super hard to come by i've seen these
on ebay like twice in the last two years um so
that's like a big centerpiece of my collection
um i i don't know i'm contemplating just
you know to to help fund my business like
the laser cutter is not cheap and um i'm trying
to use my my collectibles funds to help fund that
just to kind of keep everything in the same realm
so um i don't know i might i might post it up on
ebay and see if there's any advice definitely no
auctions for sure um yeah um i you know what's
funny you say that because i've been thinking of
doing the same thing i actually have some cards
up on ebay right now that you know are cards
that are not like i'm not super emotional about
um that i i want to take you know those funds and
then probably put them back into my business or
you know put them into sealed i haven't fully
decided yet but i can understand you know trying
to find a little bit of capital to bootstrap your
own business right for sure and i've been you know
it it's hard to part with something especially
that doesn't come up too often like i you know
back in the day sure but now like i don't see
that pop up and i know that hasn't gotten the hype
treatment yet you know uh my posts are sure like
i i don't mean to hype the set because i want to
buy more uh it's just that like you know this time
last oh yeah i'd say like march 2020 i bought like
one guy from california on ebay he had about 15 of
the mew packs and i think i got them for like i i
want to say no more than 30 each and right now
they're so right now they're selling for like
i don't know between like high 100s and to mid
200s just alone and last year the full sealed
sets that i was selling was the range of those is
probably 150 to when i when i sold like my last
sealed set besides the one that i'm keeping for
myself and then my boxes i think the highest
i ever sold that set for was like 250 and now
the mew pack alone is going for that much and
i'm like ah darn it you know but um yeah i've
had people laughing you learn yeah yeah you you
don't you don't sell the whole uh the whole
collection but now like i said i'm down to
what i'm happy with i do have some modern product
that i bought uh with the intention of hanging on
to for a while like uh just shining legends
hidden fates all at retail like way before
you know the whole logan paul thing and everybody
like just just came in that had nothing to do with
pokemon and just saw it as like a quick flip i
was genuinely into the sets i love shining like
my favorite card is is um like the korokoro mew
and yeah so i funny story about this i bought
two of these for about 30 dollars each back
in 2012 raw you know near mint from from japan
they arrived i graded them last year that's when
i started grading my cards it's just last year i
you know i just kept everything good and um you
know before prices started going up i just sent in
everything with a grading special and one came
back at nine one came back at ten i sold the nine
i kept the ten so i don't know where this yeah
i don't know where this is like the price of
it doesn't matter to me like it was a thirty
dollar card back then but it's like if you
had to ask me what my favorite card is favorite
pokemon it's definitely mew um this is the real
shining mew not that new one that just came out
that's uh that everyone's talking about right
it's all over everybody's instagram feed that's
pretty cool i i might you know if if it's not as
uh uh rare as a card as it's being made out to
be right now because it's just it's just not
released yet uh hopefully it'll be attainable
and you know i i don't like that you know
the whole vibe of people just you know releasing
a card early like special delivery pikachu or even
i don't know if that charizard was real or not
but like you know give people a chance to actually
like just go and get it because i feel like you
know 20 years ago we had the opportunity to and
that's why we're back now um if if people are just
scalping for the sake of making money uh you know
little kids that can't really afford it are gonna
miss out on it so i'm not yeah i'm happy about
that but yeah it's been definitely i think i mean
you know i don't even know how you balance that
um because you know like scalpers coming in or
you know flippers coming in money but not to like
you know take advantage to the point where it's i
don't like the term gatekeeping but that's kind of
what it is at least with the brand new stuff you
know like yeah vintage makes sense like it's it's
look at vintage sports or even like some of the
crazy cards in sports though like one of ones
selling for hundreds of thousands millions of
dollars like that that stuff makes sense but not
like champion's path or something like that you
know yeah yeah i mean because i i agree with you
you know um people flipping doesn't necessarily
make me mad but when you look at everything from
a short-term perspective like what you
were just saying you rob yourself from
you know long-term potential when you steal
potentially steal the memories from kids
i don't know how prevalent it actually is or
how much impact it's actually making on children
getting cards in their hands i don't know that
we'll ever know i mean i i know a few anecdotal
experiences of you know co-workers just going to
mcdonald's to you know get the cards for the girls
and they had none and you know uh you know
her kids not being able to enjoy that i mean
obviously those moments aren't the end of the
world but um it's like it's it's one of those
things that you kind of have to i mean i don't
know i i hope that it doesn't have a lasting
impact for children a because pokemon is very cool
and very fun but b you know in order for a market
like pokemon or any collectible to sustain itself
it needs to have new demand periodically come in
i mean because i you know recently i just got on
to guys like reserved investments and harry rinker
who are really knowledgeable on collectibles
and antiques and you know they're comparing and
seeing the history of markets that have
been become established and are stable
like coins uh currency um you know we're talking
about established collectible categories uh and
then when you compare those to like pokemon yugioh
you know all the stuff that we're into right now
you know our our market you know according to them
is considered you know like mass speculation we
are speculating if you're not buying because you
love the things and you're speculating this is a
speculative market so anything can happen yeah you
know anything can happen i still think it's early
uh believe it or not because it's you know it's
only 20 years old um you know i i i i side with
uh that dude jeremy the guy you know he has
like the crazy collection the the action figure
jeremy padaur yeah yeah yeah he's awesome yeah
yeah you had him on your show before i think
right yeah i did i did he was amazing yeah so you
know super humble dude too right i haven't had the
pleasure of like speaking with him on these terms
but i think we chatted a couple of times on ig
um but i do see this as like if you
want to talk about investing it's
i still think we're early as people our age uh
make more money you know even like i'm talking
20 30 years down the line like where my kid is
grown up and now i'm like okay now we have some
money to play with what do we want to get you know
where's where is first edition charizard now is he
still at 300 for the 10 and you know floating
around 30 for the psa 9 or is it back to the
you know uh 2016 prices where you could buy a psa
9 for like 2 000 or less and a psa 10 was like 15
you know i don't i don't know i don't see it
going back down to that because there's such a
thing as price memory and more people know about
it now so you know there's people now that wanted
to buy a psa 9 first edition charizard um during
the logan hall pipe and we're happy to pay you
know 45 50 000 for it and say oh if it went back
down to 30 i would buy like 10 of these but like
it's funny how human psychology works that you
know when something's going down you don't you
know are you sure where the floor is and do you do
you even want to touch it or um you know i think
everything happens in cycles i don't know if this
is a floor for cards period because there's some
things that cut through the noise like again like
like southern islands like for me that's just like
you know i i don't care what it does on the charts
i don't i know there's like accounts on here that
show price movement from one week to the next
and you know you gotta zoom out you're gonna give
yourself a heart attack it's like i you know i i
stopped watching some sports for that reason i'm
like you know what someone's gonna win someone's
gonna lose i can't be emotionally attached my
life is too crazy right now i i got to focus on
my stuff like let them play if they went great
you know so if it's going to go up it's going to
go down just just zoom out chill out you know um
and then some things get the high treatment and
then you know it'll it'll go up you know 10x and
you know some people play cards like the the stock
market and that's always gonna happen when there's
money to be made you know to to each their own
right so yeah yeah i i definitely agree i'm the
kind of person that won't tell someone that you're
collecting wrong because you know it's like wrong
yeah exactly exactly and i mean you know going
back to you know southern islands like a really
lovely set there are so many things to like
about it and it's like a drug into the back
into the hobby like i i spoke to a few collectors
i know like sm pratt that was what got him back
into collecting now look at the behemoth of the
collection he has now it's and i still go back to
it like every time if i find a good set i'll still
i'll still buy it at a decent price like no matter
what i don't know it's just you go back to the
things that made you happy as a kid or like what
intrigued you and like what your interests were
so like hence yeah you found my newfound passion
in the the original power rangers um who two of
which happened to be at collecticon which was
which is really awesome yeah jason yeah oh my god
i don't even remember all of their names i only
know jason and jennifer because they both started
with j's but i don't remember any of the other
okay original power ranger yeah it was jason
zach billy trini uh kimberly and um oh yeah yeah
jennifer is her real name but kimberly was hers
oh i feel like an idiot right amy joe johnson
amy joe johnson who's the pink ranger every every
every um 33 34 year olds first crush probably yes
if my wife watches this she'll she won't kill me
she knows the deal but um she already knows yeah
yeah i actually got their autographs two of them
it was uh is the red ranger and the original black
ranger at collect-a-con so i was like super happy
about that i managed to awesome yeah my poor wife
was sweating at our booth because i ran off i'm
like if somebody wants to order something just
just stall them i'll be right back you know um but
yeah that was awesome i actually have the cards up
on my up on my wall i'll show them to you yeah i
want to see them i don't know that i've seen the
power ranger cards uh sure did these come back did
these come out back in the day when yeah from 1994
yeah okay yeah i have a box nearby too so this
is like i made this display for yeah there we go
oh that's awesome yeah so it's kind of hard
to see but these are called power foils
um they're like super duper shiny you can see
them oh and those are one touches huh okay cool
yeah yeah i'm not gonna get these graded probably
maybe authenticated down the road so i got the
uh the red ranger there and where is he on the
end here hang on there we go black ranger okay
custom pegs for the uh you know the different the
different animals i got this guy on the wall here
that's that's awesome um man what an experience to
have those signed i mean are there any companies
that even authenticate those cards do they anyone
create them bgs i mean no they're they're psa
graded power rangers cards they're just okay the
pops are really low i don't think there's many psa
tens i don't think any psa tens uh in the series
one powerful maybe like one or two but none of
like the or the rangers in their suits which is
like considered the chase cards um i could show
you if anybody's interested i'm not pushing these
at all because i'm still buying them but like
this is the box that they come in this is the
series one what are those what are those go for
um they've been ranging like probably around
the hundred dollar mark they had a little spike
possibly due to me posting about them a couple
of months ago you know last year they were
like between 50 and like 90 and then and then
they shot up to close to two a little over two
right now they're hovering around the 100 mark i
just actually sold a couple to a friend in canada
um the other day for that price so i i'd say
that's about market um but yeah there's definitely
a few of us on in the instagram realm that that
uh that love our power rangers so i'm hoping it
still stays under the radar for a while um i
don't know it wasn't a trading card game like
where you battle they actually came out with one
of those in 2013 um when i recently discovered and
i scooped up a couple of those boxes and it was
short-lived it was it only lasted for like a year
and it had everything from the original
mighty morphin all the way up until i don't
even know like what the new ones are called
i'm just strictly you know season one and two
like after the white ranger that was it you
know so i you know die hard fans will probably
be cursing me here but i i buy what i know what
made me happy as a kid and and that's what i stick
to like you said you know that it depends what
uh you can't tell people how to collect right
yeah yeah absolutely um you know who who printed
those cards it was it's called collect the card
which you know it's the print quality um the cards
stick together now they're so old you know they're
20 they're 26 27 years old now right 93 94. so um
i've discovered a trick of like putting the packs
in the freezer for a few minutes and then taking
them out uh grab it grab some ice cream grab my
pack of cards and then just sit there and wipe
my hands wow and then and that helps you kind of
peel the cards away from each other without
ruining them they tend not to stick as much
i've seen some sports cards collectors do that
as well with like the old fleer basketball
from like the early 90s um but yeah it's still
like some of them have i think the series one
they have like a little it's basically like a
pog on it and there's i think there's eight or 12
different ones you could get in the packs
and that's always on the first card and uh
it always just leaves a ring around that first
card luckily the the foil ones are in the back so
um yeah it doesn't hurt them but yeah yeah
they're they're they're not really worth a lot
uh but they're sentimental to me and uh i
like them that's good i mean yeah you got
to get what you like and if something happens
something pops with them then then cool i mean
uh what's what's really funny is because like you
i'm a collector first i cannot speculate i'm still
learning there's a lot of things that i don't know
uh so i would not call myself an investor honestly
um but it just so happens that sometimes i have a
thing that i get lucky with like take for example
um i have some comic books i bought maybe about
a two and a half two years ago-ish i bought a 9.5
cgc graded miss marvel one and this is the reboot
marvel with pamela khan as miss marvel so it's the
first print um it's a 9.8 you know so out of 10
that's the max so this is super minty this comic
right and it just and i got that for i don't know
maybe 135 i want to say 135 not bad i have it you
know posted it up it's very cool um and like when
around the time when marvel started or you know
disney started um talking about how they were
gonna do a miss marvel tv show that comics shot
up like probably probably last sold it's about
2 3x from what it was previously yeah so i mean
that's really exciting to see because it's like
oh [ __ ] i didn't buy that to you know flip it
and sell it i i might i might consider it you know
just because um because then i could just you know
realize those paper gains because the one thing
with those comics is you know i can always get
you know another non-graded one like i don't need
to have the grade i just it just happened to be
a good opportunity to buy one i'm like okay
well i'll go ahead and get it you know right
um but i'm not sold on it i can always get that
comic and to be honest i i haven't even read it so
uh you know for me i probably want to just go
ahead and buy another one so that i that i can
actually read and get the story but yeah that was
a really cool experience i mean even with like
southern islands as well because i started buying
you know some of the english said i bought a
japanese set and you know the psa tends for those
for those hollows now i mean even just recently
i want to say halfway through july you
know i don't have any psa tens actually
of those cards i'm waiting for them to come back
from cdc because i decided to go ahead and get
them graded um but i mean those hollows like
the viola plume went for around you know 1400
like the slowpoke went around for 2300 and
then the the lid above um the ladybug is
was over a thousand i want to say so yeah i mean
i mean i don't know about the mew or the merrell
which those seem to be like yeah the heavy
hitters the heaviest hitters from that set
um you know so i don't know what those are valued
for but new togepi and merrell actually those
are the three heavy those are the three okay
yeah yeah you being the first i haven't seen
a recent sale of a 10 uh i do know somebody like
i think he's from australia back like last year
i want to say this time he sold pretty much a
whole psa 10 set just shy of either togepi or
he was like maybe one or two hollows shy of
the full set and i think he sold it for around
nine grand back then i know the mew at one
point i think the mew at one point on a pwcc
auction probably on its own went close to i i want
to say it was well over five uh i don't quote me
on this but like definitely somewhere between
five and ten maybe it was like eight i don't
know if it got paid um but that card is like you
know super hard to grade it's one of the prettiest
i prefer just i'm i'm biased again i just like
the way the japanese cards glow like they had
that satin kind of hollow vibe to it it
was like the first reverse hollows that
i i think the first reverse hollows
period um uh i i want to say in a set
yes i i believe so so yeah that might make sense
because i think after the promo came out then
we got like the aquapolis and then the expeditions
right because that whole gen 2 i think was neil
i think after was it neo after that okay because
because in the sealed english binder were um
the neogenesis and the neo discovery packs
as like the promotion leading up to those so
interesting yeah yeah because because i i recently
bought on ebay it was like a partially sealed set
of southern islands um so the the outer wrapper
was removed um and this person had like four of
them i think rusty from tca got like the other the
other binders because it was they were selling it
for a little bit under what they were going for
at the time i guess just to liquidate them so
like i said i'm still buying that set whenever i
find a good deal so um i was able to to acquire
that and i think on a live i opened the the uh
the inner seal and took out the pack which i still
i still have here sealed this is still sealed um
i don't have the heart to like rip it open but
i've i've inspected the you know what i could see
from it the uh the merrell obviously and then the
back of i forget what the last card is but the
merrell is like super clean well centered i don't
see any chipping from from what i could tell
there's like a slight tear it's gonna be really
difficult to see here but the the the cellophane
wrap on it there's like a slight tear in it but um
i don't know i i had the intent of just cracking
this and and just sending them off to grade i have
a full set um everything is a psa 10 uh not the
hollows i just have the ladybug hollow and a 10
that i graded myself from a set that i bought
back again and when i was in college in 2012
and uh i paid 85 for the seal it wasn't a sealed
binder it was again it was it was just this just
this pack back then i opened it um every card
came back uh all the long hauls were tens um
some of them were eights i think the mu and the
toga p were eights the lettabo was a ten and then
the other hollows were nine so throughout the
course of this last year i i replaced the eights
with the nines um i ended up trading my 10 lediba
to to rusty tca gaming uh when i was building my
psa 9 first edition jungle uh just hollow set um
because i never i never had the first edition as
a kid so before it kind of popped off i was
just chipping away and um i think i was i got
like a handful of cards like an electrode like
just the not the big heavy hitter ones but uh
the just to say i had the set i got the other
nines from him and uh i was kind of regretting
it and i saw he had put up eventually he had put
up my card for auction the ladybug and i was like
that's my card like that's my cert you know i i
need it back so i ended up winning that auction
and just just to get it back you know
like you get attached to these things
it's you you know it's it's pretty funny right
so i still have the nine and i still have the ten
so um a long term collecting goal would
be to eventually get the holo 10 set of
that in english because i have enough of the
japanese already um yeah that's like a long-term
pokemon go i don't really have like a clear
direction as to where i'm going it's like i'm i'm
i'm not really interested in buying new
sealed product as i am you know if i find
a card that i like so like that new shining
mew uh the gold one that's really cool um
i was into amazing rares you know it i hope they
bring them back and like do legendaries like
i don't know if they ever will but like
a mew or mewtwo in that in that style
would be ridiculous like i would love to see
that um but what about you what uh you know
what you're collecting journey right now do you
have you have a clear direction as to like are
you buying anything are you do you have any gaps
you're trying to fill in your collection or what
oh man i wish i could say i had a direction but i
really don't uh just stuff that kind of comes up
i mean so so i've had to i've tried to really pull
back on on buying because right now i'm putting my
money towards you know other things um trying to
like rebalance stuff in general and so i'm like uh
i don't really want to buy collectibles right now
or at least you know set myself a budget so i'm
not buying too much um so i'm not really chasing
anything right now just really interesting stuff
uh like for example actually recently i bought
a vending series sheet the number 15 with the
mewtwo um yeah i haven't i haven't unpeeled it yet
i think i might i'm just waiting for um some card
savers to come in so once i have you know those
card savers i'll go ahead and pop it in or unpeel
and then go ahead and go card savers those are
like the the hottest investment of 2021 right then
yeah i bought a case of them and i think i
paid like 300 or something and then the actual
i forget like people were selling them for
crazy amounts of money so now all these
all these guys are making their own and it does
the same thing so good on them now people have
you know i i don't know if they can send their
cards in but they're in card savers so that's
cool yeah no no definitely and i prefer to keep my
cards in card savers anyway like how i that's how
i store them i just get one of those bigger size
uh meant for uh you know graded cards uh those
uh shoe boxes uh from bcw yeah normally normally
that's where i order all my supplies i remember
ordering some card savers back in december and i
think i finally had gotten them in like february
just because everything was all in back order and
right and whatnot um so i i regret not buying more
um but i figured i'd go ahead and give the um the
card savers from kanto shark a try because they're
supposed to be a little bit higher quality and
whatnot and so i'm thinking you know maybe i might
use those to display cards you know i don't know
i don't know we'll see we'll see how how they look
when they come in but um i i mean it's so funny
you know so so pokemon last year just explodes
right just kind of out of nowhere it pokemon pulls
a rug under all of us right and then so we're like
oh [ __ ] you know kind of trying to catch up
and then we need supplies and you know stuff is
overpriced on amazon like i'm not paying 25 30 40
450 card savers come on get out of here you got
to be crazy right yeah um but getting anything
was tough getting one touches was tough getting
um i mean sleaze wasn't really that tough
but i guess maybe it was just card savers
and yeah you had to you had to get up uh you had
to sign up for like the the notifications through
cardboard gold and like they're like they'll send
an email it's it's gonna go on sale 8am this time
this day you know like i remember that's how i
was able to get a case of them and i'm glad you
did yeah i didn't scalp them i ended up using most
of them i still have some because i have i have uh
it's kind of hard to see but uh hang on where are
we there i have like two boxes full one is pokemon
one's power range it's just sitting like i think
there's like 200 cards in each of them oh my god
yeah or or 100 i forget how many fitting there
there's a lot uh but yeah that who would have
thought that those those would those would take
off last year right in price just plastic yeah i
know i know um i mean i guess you know you can
never time the market so you probably should
just in general kind of have things like that this
is me talking to myself like girl just keep like
a little bit of that stuff just tucked away you
know just so that you have it when you need it um
but i mean you know i guess you know one of
the things that i kind of wanted to talk about
um because okay so it seems to me your favorite
pokemon is mew yeah that's just a guess well i
told you uh i i i i think maybe this was before
we started recording but did i say the story about
when i rollerbladed i'm not sure if i said that
already i forget i'm losing my i'm getting old
yeah so so you did mention i do remember you
saying that you skateboarded but rollerblading
sounds new to me oh well i was 12 years
old uh this is before i learned how to
how to add a skateboard and um you know i had to
be the cool kid in school right so i got i got
my roller blades a backpack full of quarters yeah
like two and a half miles to to get the game shark
to get me you so i forgot yes sorry i already
said this uh i'm tired no it's okay the the
audience needs the story it's really cool mu is
definitely my favorite it was so intriguing as a
kid like wait a minute there's a secret character
in the game you know and um there wasn't really
there wasn't youtube back then so you couldn't
really follow like one to one how to get to it in
the game so i was like all right i just know i can
just do it on game shark so i went and i bought it
in quarters i remember falling down because it was
raining uh to go again from the video game yeah
yeah vacation though right so oh yeah yeah you and
mewtwo um definitely as a kid you know charizard
like the big three right like any any typical uh
personality age it was the gen one just the big
you know the big five really the starters me
too and mew for me yeah yeah no those are such
great cards and it's so funny because it makes
me really nostalgic thinking about that time
because that was back in the day when
you couldn't look up walkthroughs online
you had to go and buy the thick ass books at your
local stores or whatever to get through zelda
to get through pokemon to get whatever whatever i
remember those books gosh yeah i had the one with
charizard on it uh i don't know if they made one
with the blue you know for blastoise on there but
um yeah crazy how how times change now you could
just go on youtube and watch somebody else play
the game you don't need to play it you know you
don't need to play it for yourself but uh yeah
funny you know yeah no it's it's funny to kind
of think about how we had to do things when we
were kids god you know what i everything i'm
saying i just feel like a boomer um so i'm just
gonna stop talking because i just feel more and
more i'm just thinking of myself it's okay we're
both boomers whoever's watching yeah we're all
we're all you know it's it's kind of funny like
it's funny to to start to realize that you
are now like the adult and the children are
the actual children do you know what i'm saying
we never really throw up all right we're just
we just we we're just bigger kids you know um
but yeah you're right i noticed that i don't
i don't know if you have children i have a son
like i said uh you know he he's he's a three
and a half year old he's bouncing around i feel
old because he's it's just boundless energy and
you know somewhat active but he's like you know
sometimes i just need to you know you need a break
no it's great it it it breathes new life into you
but um like i said we're all just kids after all
right i mean kids now with money like i remember
back in the day when you would go to toys r us
or you'd go to walmart and you go to target
and you'd be like when i grow up and you buy
all these things and you're like yeah i'm
gonna buy these legos and buy this one buy that
and now you have money to buy the things and
you're like okay that's cool i could buy that lego
star wars whatever but where the [ __ ] am i gonna
put it when i'm done you know like am i gonna
break it up and just like put it back in the box
no right right i don't i don't have space for that
right keep it keep it sealed and you know it's
meant to be built but but yeah for sure i'm not
super huge into lego although this is gonna sound
silly i'm going to uh lego land tomorrow which
opened up about an hour and a half from where i
live up here in the northeast so uh i'm pretty
excited yeah i hope it doesn't rain um but yeah
we're going off on a tangent uh lego yeah i don't
collect lego um but last year for my birthday
i'm very much into space so my wife bought me the
saturn v rocket which is like this huge three foot
long lego thing i'm just i'm saving that for when
my son's older and we'll probably build it and
i'll get it encased or maybe i'll make the display
to put it in you know then um but yeah that'll be
fine yeah yeah yeah um i i'm sure there is like
lego investors i'm sure i'm sure there are i
actually never thought about you know i just buy
a lego box to just keep it sealed i never really
thought of it like that but when i do think of
legos i think of those big gosh darn like replicas
of things that people make like those those like
uh safes those mechanical safes that they make
have you seen those do you know what i'm talking
about i i i want to say yes but maybe you'll show
me after and i'll be like oh yeah i know but right
now i can't picture it no i'm sorry well well
well so so there's like really there's really
big things that people will make out of the legos
so they'll make replica like uh death stars that
you can open up and see your apartment yeah yeah
um and they'll do crazy stuff like i saw this was
years ago uh some engineers literally created a
car a life-size moving vehicle i saw that it was a
bugatti i think yeah yes it was blue yeah and then
and then they made the actual smaller version that
cost like three or 500 bucks maybe even more some
of these things are wicked like i have a buddy
that he collects like all the the lego um
harry potter uh you know releases and all that
and his his goal is to build them all and make
you know like hogwarts yeah yeah hogs mean hug
hogwarts all that stuff so yeah that's really cool
you need space for that space time patience and
no small children around that is what i'm saying
like the space is the lacking part for me i don't
i would love to buy legos but i just
don't have a place to put them right
but um but i mean you know switching switching
gears a little bit back into pokemon um you know
with with kind of like the slowdown in the market
you know i know a lot of people talking about how
this will probably continue a little bit um the
slowdown will probably continue a little bit and
get a little worse for certain sectors of the
market you know even into december absolutely
how many cards are at psa right now i don't
think the the tip of the iceberg has been
uncovered yet there's like so many cards were
sent in i know people that sent in in september
like before the first logan paul box break
that their their their um bulk subs are still
like just now getting into the grading phase so
you know pretty sure some people had psa nines
and below like in that condition um but the way
psa has been grading now i don't know how many
will come back in line they were throwing out
half grades recently like like i don't know
just yeah free candy really um and it was
never like that so i wonder if they're just
utilizing their full spectrum of of the of
the grading scale um look i've seen old certs
that are nines and tens that are actually
nines and tens and i've seen some that
it looks like they were just shuffling through and
they're like okay this gets a nine this gets a ten
like whatever so um i agree with you i feel like
in some sectors it could still go down certain set
cards i don't know how many people back in the
day you know or throughout this whole you know
the 20 something years it's been had mint
binders of first edition base or you know first
edition anything complete sets i don't know um
i don't have you know the ability to answer that
precisely but i i do know that this was a recent
like hype phase so with that there's going to come
a lot of people submitting to grade and then um
you know if everybody's doing something it isn't
special anymore um i feel like the last few
months a lot of people just sent in cards to
get graded so some people probably sent in cards
that i i don't want to say should not be graded
but um are definitely clogging the the system
in terms of like the backlog at the grading
companies and stuff like that so i think
i think the cards that weren't meant to be
graded and and flipped if you want to say that
um you know that might slowly diminish and maybe
the uh the cards that are a little bit more rare
and scarce so as i said like continue to cut
through the noise whether they be just you know i
don't have any trophy cards but trophy cards like
set cards that are really difficult to grade
um and just things that are kind of hard to
hard to obtain i think yeah yeah i definitely
agree because you know on the one hand it's a
little scary to think about the potential volume
that could come back into the market but also
too to your point i mean it seems like a lot of
potentially newer comers that maybe have never
graded before you know now for the last 12 months
or so had been sending things in to get graded
or you know went through a middleman however they
did it and they think oh you know my card surely
this is a psa night oh surely this is the psa ten
and probably come back as a six the mind the mind
is a terrible uh you know it it works wonders
but you could convince yourself anything and
you know i've done it before like why is this car
to six this is pac fresh or you know something um
and if you look at it in the right light
there's like a slight wave to it and that's
a crease right in their eyes so um or if you
touch it with your your hand and it's oily and
you get a fingerprint like they're looking at
these you know not just in a little led light
like sometimes they hit it with the uv and you
know from a certain angle you see things and
the people submitting cards maybe they don't
have the proper lighting set up and all that
so um yeah it's hard there's so many factors of
the there's there's different levels to this so
people pull a card you know people buy a box to to
open up packs to pull a card hopefully that card
is in the pack and then they send it off to get
graded hopefully the condition of that card was
you know worthy of whatever grade they're hoping
it'll get and then you have the grader that might
be having a bad day so like there's just so many
levels to this you know i don't want to call
gambling but it's like it's it's a game of chance
right i guess that's the exciting part about it
too um yeah yeah i i can i can agree with you um
you know on that because you know as much as you
i mean even experienced graders can sometimes get
things wrong and i mean you know with the with
the with the hume the human portion of it uh you
know you might even disagree with the grade and
and potentially get that sent back in you know i
mean because like to your point you know was the
greater having a good day a bad day you know maybe
they let a 10 slip into the nine category and that
happens and and and part of it too i mean i've
had this conversation before with a few people
but it's going to be even more important now and
into the future to don't buy the grade by the card
you want to really look at the card because i
mean you know are we looking at an old psa cert
are we looking at like a week you know a week ten
are we looking at a week nine here right um um
i mean even with cgc and and bgs you know
for for right now we're seeing psa kind
of hold the value a little bit more then than
those other brands but i mean in the future a
things could change but b if you have a solid
solid strong card a strong mint card you know
i think you could command obviously a higher price
point in the market regardless of the brand right
exactly the label doesn't matter i would say that
those are the strongest three though psa bgs cgc
for cards i'm just i'm old school it was for me
it was always you know psa and pokemon it goes
together like lamb and tuna fish right now yeah
but yeah it goes together and that i like those
slabs it's it's it's the sets that i have so
um i've submitted to bgs in the past for like
amazing rares when they first came out and you
know i feel i feel like that was like the that's
like the modern like the the newer people that
are into the hobby that are like oh it has to be
a pristine 10 or a black label or something like
that's cool if you submit to to beckett but like
if the card's 10 and it's in a psa slab or even a
nine i i have a model nines are fine because the
i i can't afford my collection that i have today
if i were to buy my cards today right so like
if you look at a nine you look at a ten the one
little tiny microscopic white dot on the back left
corner is not going to make or break a card for me
you know i got lucky with the tens that i have um
i personally would not like go out and and
try to get them at market value right now
just given my position it's not in it's not in
my interest to do so i was lucky enough to to
have enough raw cards to to submit and and
and build those sets myself but um yeah i i
i guess it's up to it's up to the collector you
know cgc slabs are pretty cool i like how clear
they are i just recently over the last couple of
weeks you know i i don't own any i bought one to
just test with my displays uh and it happened to
be the older cgc slab which are thinner which are
basically the same dimensions as a psa slab so
i don't know if you noticed on my website but
the psa slabs tab would say psa cgc slab so
people would buy them with the intent that they
could fit their cgc cards but the newer slabs
are slightly thicker so the magnets weren't uh
you know the clear cover would pop out a little
bit because the slabs were thicker so um i'm
in the process now of uh you know if somebody
wants something cgc i'll i'll have made another
another layer to to basically thicken
the slots for the slabs to fit in
that'll be nice yeah so i'll i'll have for all
all three and then the ability to somebody wants
um you know i have an array of sizes on the
website but you know i have what one two three um
eight nine and sixteen slots but if somebody
wants you know a five slot like that's that's
fine i could quote it right there because i'm
the one uh cutting it i'm not outsourcing it
to the local shop um or a few shops that i have
make the parts and then i assemble everything so
uh sorry i'm talking about the displays again but
yeah um about cgc i i had a a little bit of a hard
time you know getting having to do remakes you
know and eating that so um yeah yeah it's it's
we're all learning together and everybody's like
really cool and i get a lot of good feedback from
from customers and and stuff so i'm growing um
you know organically and and uh luckily like
the the pokemon community people are really cool
i've noticed a lot of people um you know you just
have to be open and honest right like you know hey
i'm learning too let's get this right uh and then
there's some people that have just it's really sad
to see people have gotten burned a lot before in
the past and like i noticed this like on my ebay
i was selling um like last year i was selling uh
uh legendary heartbeat packs right like i bought
a whole bunch i'd open a whole bunch uh to build
you know to have enough of the uh amazing
rares to like send in and build you know
psa 10 set which i ended up selling but i still
have like a ton of cards waiting to be graded
but uh you know the remaining boxes that i had
i opened them and i just sold the packs at like
whatever it was uh three dollars a pack at the
time and somebody bought like two or three packs
off of me and they didn't get like a crazy card
in there and they were like oh these are searched
i see you have uh amazing rares in psa 10 on your
ebay store and you're selling these packs their
search i'm like i'm not searching a three dollar
pack like you know i ended up giving him like more
packs just because i i don't like negative i've
never gotten a negative you know uh feedback on my
ebay but i'm like you know i'm sorry that you're
having a you know you're gambling when you buy
packs right not everything is gonna be a winner
um but just to hear like the hurt that people are
you know like what happened in the past of that
person did they buy something that you know
was was really searched uh when i was buying
stuff in like 2012 you know i paid 284 dollars
for my first edition team rocket box sealed back
then right i sold a charmander a couple of months
ago for more than that like that that doesn't
make sense to me but but that that happened um
the weighing wasn't really a thing like i yeah
maybe it was but i wasn't like deep enough into
the forums to to know that that was a thing um and
it makes sense now looking at it i guess you know
if you knew to to get that but like um nowadays
i guess you have to do that because it you know
there's a premium with a heavy pack and all
that but uh yeah yeah i'm not i'm not cracking
packs um in fact the that southern islands semi
sealed binder that i bought i ended up selling
the packs because i just i i'd rather somebody
else enjoy the pack openings i'm just more
of a if i'm gonna buy if i want a certain
card i'll just go out and get it you know
yeah i mean i i don't blame you with being with
having that strategy because i mean at least for
me you know it's if if you're trying to get
a particular card and you want to do that by
opening packs it is a gamble i mean especially
depending on which packs you're opening right
like if you're trying to get a first you know a
first edition you know base that jungle fossil
any of that like that's if you're trying to chase
a card you know in open packs like that that's
going to be really expensive venture you might
as well just buy buy the card single and i mean
you know one of the things too that seems
to be holding true at least right now is
is you know buying sealed product vintage
sealed products and you know depending on
your entry point right because entry point is is
the the biggest name of the game i mean it's the
one of the most important things you know buying
sealed product is um it can be really advantageous
for the future right because as people open you
know the population gets smaller so versus buying
individual cards you know if if there are boxes or
sealed you know items to be opened the populations
of cards will go up so so if you're trying to
i guess mitigate your risk buying more vintage
sealed isn't necessarily a bad choice you know
again you just have to manage the entry point but
but i mean you know so for me if like like to you
i am just going to buy the card if there's a car
that i want i'm just going to buy it i'm not going
to buy packs to possibly open it and honestly with
my experience of fortnite cards fortnite cards
has got me so jaded because the series one like
the first set that came out with fortnite cards
like the poll rates were so bad they were worse
than sports cards like i am telling you they were
so bad like they were terrible it was tough to
get good cards and i didn't really get that many
good cards like i didn't like i opened up about
24 boxes and i still didn't get like the holy
grail card out of opening 24 boxes i couldn't get
anything close to the holy grail so would
it have been advantageous to you just to buy
that card out right versus crack all those yes
boxes yeah like you would save save money yeah
yeah you know maybe the other ones over time will
appreciate you and you can sell those and you know
there's there's different ways to do it right
so yeah i mean there's still value in opening
you know the boxes i don't regret it because
it was i mean well first off i i took it as a
learning experience right you know i i don't have
the luck so i'm just not going to open any sealed
product if i required it you know i'm just going
to pop it put it away right i don't open anything
anymore um you know but but it was still a good
experience to have i i got to learn the sets
a little bit better and i got to understand
how bad the pull rate was and it was a good
experience i mean the boxes were only 20 bucks
you know so we're talking like msrp 20 bucks now
i mean back in march i want to say back in march
there was a sealed box for for those boxes that i
was opening um that went for like three thousand i
don't know if that price holds true but it really
hurts um but you know what it like is what it
is it's just the lesson it's just a lesson and
so you just apply it and you know take it yeah
yeah it's not like you bought 24 3 000 boxes
opened them and got nothing it was it was much
less so look at it you know hindsight's 20 20.
i beat myself up all the time i'm like oh man i
knew about bitcoin and you know 2011 2012 whatever
i knew about you know i remember base set boxes i
checked my ebay from 2008 base set boxes were 105
all day like you know i i would have been able to
do that too but i just you know at the time that
was a lot it was like okay can i pay rent or can
i pick up like four southern islands sealed boxes
for 89 i'm gonna do that you know and then that
was like that was like all i could do back then
living off of ramen and all that fun stuff but
oh back in the day yeah yeah did you know that
there are cookbooks out there where you can
like like ways to spruce up your basic ramen
like put an egg in it yeah yeah yeah it's
so salty but like it's it's good too right
i usually pour out the like whatever was loose on
the top just like pour that out and just put hot
water in there but yeah time to sleep you would
eat it without without like the the onions the
green onion yeah it was just like too much yeah
yeah back then i haven't touched it since you know
i'm trying to trying to stay around for my little
boy a little bit more um yeah you know you know
it's funny that you say that you know the ramen
diet because at this this day and age i cannot
eat pb j sandwiches i can't do it i had way
too many you know on that pb j diet like i just
you know college college was a thing um
college had you doing things anyways yeah
ramen and pb and j so i i will definitely
indulge on some good ramen i don't i don't
think i haven't bought like the cup of ramen i
i go to like the um like the hmart or you know
an asian grocery store to get like the different
packs or whatever but um oh man memories yeah yeah
raw good memories yeah i used to go to go
to ramen joints in in the city like before
before i moved up here so i'm mainly remotely
i mainly on you know my day job i work remote
like i said i travel a lot um but yeah there's
some good ramen joints in the city and pizza is
my go-to i could eat pizza like all day really
i shouldn't but i could oh my god yeah pizza
is definitely a weakness of mine too but some
good ramen like finding a good ramen spot that
you can get you know a bowl for like 12 15 bucks
something good right you can't go wrong you can't
can't go wrong see and one thing one thing that i
want to do eventually in my life i don't i don't
know if you watch any netflix or cook shows on
netflix but there's a a show called in the mind of
a chef and i can't remember the name of the chef
but the season season one was all about ramen and
what he would do is he would travel around japan
and try all the different ramens and then what
he would do is he would take like instant ramen
noodles and make things out of them like making
gnocchi and stuff like that out of ramen and
doing like all the all the taboos of ramen he was
committing all the taboos of ramen so that
was so so cool so i want to do that i want
to just go to japan and eat like that's what i
want to do i want to travel all the way around
like like try their whiskey try all their food
all their ramen i'm here for it once once it's
a little safer and everything opens up truly right
that's that's the first thing i'm doing yeah do it
it's awesome like vlog the whole thing you know
just eating ramen here yeah do it oh yeah see
and i'll send you pictures of all the different
ramens yeah not to make you jealous but you know
great great yeah it'll be fun times you know if
and when if and when that happens but um but i
mean you know like like as far as the market goes
i mean honestly like you know going back to what
we've kind of been seeing and i definitely
agree with you i you know it's definitely
been low you know i don't even
know if we've really hit the bottom
i a lot of people think i i a few people smarter
than me think that we haven't hit the bottom yet
so you know you got to kind of snipe for those
deals of cards that you kind of always wanted
um but i mean would you agree do you think that
it's hit the bottom or is it kind of approaching
um like i said before i think certain cards maybe
look at the end of the day uh it depends how the
card is being sold if it's being sold at an
auction it depends how much somebody wants
to spend on it uh if it's being sold by someone or
if it's like you know like a box that's not really
common it depends a if the person wants to sell it
or what's their their listing price right and if
so the support like somebody has to want to
pay as much as the item is being listed for so
i guess it really it really all depends
i i i try not to speculate on it um
a lot of people care about it uh i i still
think just if you wanna if you want an answer
i think that there's still definitely some
downward movement that's gonna happen like
i said the common cards still haven't come
back yet from psa like how many first edition
you know bulbasaurs uh squirtles charmanders
pikachus are at psa right now um you know like
i said the logan paul box break that brought a
lot of attention and you know people said oh well
submit cards to psa gets a psa 10 i'll make a ton
of money so i i still think that there's a lot of
those submissions that are still not
even in the hands of the graders just yet
so um it really all depends you know i i don't
know like like how many sale boxes are there
out there i don't know um some people have nine
you know of uh first edition base you know um
some people just you know have their binders
their childhood binders that they sent in and
never knew of what card grading was before
and they just want to have it slabbed up
and uh and protected and preserved so um yeah i
think i think that there's definitely going to be
some sideways movement with some hiccups up and
down like if it's a car that's like like a really
nice clean 10 or like a like a strong nine
like maybe the price might spike a little bit
and um it depends on what time an auction ends
who's auctioning it uh the price could be a little
bit lower but like i said me personally i try to
just zoom out and it's a couple of percent here
and there sometimes there's an anomaly of like
the card um you know like i i do keep track of
like psa nine first edition base charts but i have
one um that's like the i don't want to say the
centerpiece of my collection but that's like the
most expensive item like a single card that i have
um so i occasionally check in on the price
i'll watch like the i think there's like three
on pwcc right now one's a one's a new cert
and it's like double the price as the others
um and it really all depends like especially when
there's multiples of things being auctioned all at
the same time i personally don't feel like that's
a smart decision on the auction house to do that
like it should it should be spread out um
you know for the sake of the seller i think
but um yeah it really all depends right so
we'll see there's a lot more nines there's a
lot more nines out there uh but not that many
like people compared to the the jordan rookie
uh in basketball but if you look at those numbers
look at those numbers on the jordan rookie of
the flear uh there's like thousands of psa nines
there's only like 600 and change for the for the
base charizard so um and the price for the
jordan i think recently sold for between like
30 and 40. i feel like that's about the right
range for for a nine um maybe not right now
maybe in a couple of years it was that price
a few months ago you know but like i said uh
that was with the hype so everything returns back
to the mean right you're gonna have some spikes
you're gonna have some dips but if you
zoom out everything for the most part
continues to go up so yeah you know yeah i i can
definitely agree with you on that and i i i mean
i was looking at the p pwcc block uh last week
or earlier sunday i want to say and yeah it was
super heavy charizard heavy for sure um that'll be
interesting to see where those prices kind of go
um i don't i think on sunday when i was looking at
it it had nine days to go so i might check back in
to see how how it's going with that but
yeah and and i mean you know honestly um
yeah i mean i i definitely agree with you i think
some things are absolutely going to go sideways
but it'll be really curious to see you know what
happens once everything is is just a little bit
more stable because i think i think for the most
part though with a lot of things that's probably
the more accurate price um you know for for
a lot of things considering population and
things like that yeah and and gosh you know i
really wish there was more transparency within
populations in general because i mean honestly
even with with psa you know the only reliable
pop number is the psa 10 because you know people
are cracking psa 9s to send it in again to see if
they can get that 10. that's that's historical and
they're not sending in the label to get it removed
from the report so yeah absolutely yeah absolutely
um and and maybe a lot of those times that
psa 9 that they crack to get a 10 comes back in
eight you know what i mean especially especially
like i would i wouldn't do that now with
with anything new label or old label or
anything because like it's all subjective there's
there's you know the human factor to it right so
um i i'm just i'm happy with what i have what
i was able to get when i got it and uh you know
that's that that's that's my perspective on it
right so i wanted to get it graded i wasn't like
i have to have tens of everything except for
the southern islands i had to have tensorflows
and many many copies of those um yeah but
like like we said you buy what you love and
yeah and getting back to the price like talk um i
i think we spoke about before about price memory
so there's more people now in the hobby
that are aware of it and where it could go
in terms of price so people that came in
in october november or december when things
were like really high like you would think that as
prices are going lower now there's there's a as we
were discussing before about your entry point that
this is a possible entry point for them and it's
there's the price memory of wait it could go this
high um they don't have the price memory of when
you know a card that was it that's now thirty
thousand dollars was two thousand dollars because
two thousand dollars is a lot more attainable
to to more people than thirty so there would be
way more demand for that card at two grand versus
thirty so like eventually it would just the market
would eat it up so i think it's going to be a
combination of cards being graded returned back
either to collectors wanting to just hang onto
their cards that are encapsulated and put them in
one of my frames or or um you know just sell it on
the market and uh have somebody else buy it like
eventually that supply will be absorbed because
it's not being those cars not being reprinted now
right so you know whether it takes a couple of
years a couple of months you know some will to
come in and just you know spend their you know you
know a couple million dollars that they have just
sitting around right i don't know it happens right
so and that's all it takes and then we're right
back to where we started in october with um you
know just with cards yeah with how high they were
because because in five years from now we're
gonna have the 30-year anniversary for pokemon
and then you know maybe they'll do uh the the neo
sets as like uh like an evolution style like the
reprint yeah yeah that would be really interesting
that'd be really interesting to see i i have a few
hobby buddies that would be really excited
if there was a southern island reprint
they're kind of like not a reprint you know
i want them to do so like i think scott has
said this before southern islands too um where
they take the actual like like for the mu card
the jars of the charizard is in front muse and
back so do the reverse oh that would be cool yeah
so it's like a different angle on that you look at
the postcards that come in the actual in the packs
and just like take the opposite of that and make
that the card i think that would be super cool
that that would be i'd buy it sign
me up pokemon come on pokemon company
um you know and and you know i've had you here for
a while so i want to be respectful of your time
i'm gonna end this with one last question i got
this is the most important question i got for you
sure so with the newer cgc cards being a little
bit thicker um and my cdc subs with my southern
island cards they'll probably come back sometime
next year you know probably 12 months from now
12 16 months from now is that really is that is
that a real estimate on the time frame for them
honestly i don't know what their estimates
are now but in all reality probably so
um you know i mean one of my uh i put in a
submission put wanted submission one submission in
april one submission in may by april submission
finally got like checked in about a month ago
and i'm still waiting to even even for
my may submission just to get started
so it hasn't even really been checked
in um but but but with that being said
those cards are probably going to come back 12
months from now probably in all reality so will
your cases be able to handle the new cgc
slabs because i do need to get i like
like i need my southern islands um all up in a
display so yeah that's the most important thing
for me absolutely like like like i said before i'm
not sure if it was on the on the actual uh live or
before we started but um i'm in the process of
actually setting up a workshop space with my own
equipment to just to turn around custom orders you
know within hours really if i'm there or you know
set certain days of the week aside to to fabricate
and then assemble so uh the answer will be yes
and um custom logos and all that stuff will
be like instant for the most part you know
still got to work on the design files but
um no more outsourcing to the us-based uh
shops that have the laser cutters my goals and
i'm working on it i was in i was in florida on
tuesday for work i have a project in tampa
i'm working on and i drove over to orlando
on wednesday to uh the laser cutting um actual
company to pick out the machine i wanted so uh
all these instagram posts of me selling cards it's
it it there's um there's a reason behind it so
i'm i'm funding i'm funding the laser the laser
printer you said art did you say laser laser
cutter yeah yeah it's a big behemoth of a machine
that comes on a like a thousand pound pallet and
i mean currently uh in leasing negotiations
right now for a space close to the house so
just to get it out of the house exciting yeah yeah
so it's good um it makes sense it's the right time
um and my wife will be happy that we get our you
know part of our home back instead of having uh
acrylic everywhere and all that stuff but that's
how you have to start right humble beginnings and
um it it feels like the right time to to make that
move um for the sake of also like the customer
base too so might be able to potentially bring
prices down to a little bit more of a competitive
range to you know so i'm excited
about that and have more volume
and comic displays are in the works too and
just the ability to create um you know at my
fingertips whenever i want instead of prototyping
and and having like really expensive uh you know
parts cut and then i have to mark that up to to
recoup something right so uh i have the the end
customer in mind here so that that's the goal
um it's hard when you're you know you're doing
everything us-based too my whole thing was i just
wanted to keep everything in my control especially
the uh the design and the patents that i that are
currently in review right now um once you send it
once you send it you know overseas it could be
made by anybody and sold to anybody so i'm just
trying to keep that control and the ability to
uh to just just to keep that on my end so um
i'm friends with all the other guys out there and
and uh stay in my lane they stay in their lane
so there's there's enough market share out there
for everybody to pick their poison and uh and be
friends so yeah yeah that's what i said i think if
this were any other community there would be like
like you know bad feelings but everybody's
surprisingly really really cool so
i mean that that's really good to hear and
honestly i'm really excited to um like to see
honestly everyone grow because you know i have
my case from you but then i also have cases from
from kanto shark that fit you know what
i needed at the time when i got them so
yeah like like i completely agree i think i
think there's enough space for everyone and
and especially especially now that
you're about to get a laser printer so
this is just requests from me i love watching
those cnc videos oh where they do okay you want
to see like i'm gonna do a lot of behind the
scenes stuff yes and uh just like content videos
not giving away like designs that aren't out
yet but just like kind of like like how it's
made and and uh like a little bit of the process
and maybe a tour of the space once it's ready so
um that might be sooner than than we think um
but yeah i i met canto shark at collect the con
shook his hand you know i shook his hand he's
pretty tall um and then uh i'm friends with a dude
from total empire and uh we've spoken about doing
possibly like a joint project and all that like
it's kind of hard to do um without you know uh
being able to produce something myself in-house
so well a lot of things that we're discussing
in the works and you know we'll see what happens
we're all in this together there's so many slabs
out there there's so many people out there like
you know there's there's definitely room um
there's room to grow for everybody so yeah i
i completely agree with you um that'll be really
nice i'm really excited that you're gonna have
like a least space that that's gonna be awesome
not gonna know what everything goes well so yeah
yeah it should it should i'm not biting off more
than i could shoot i don't operate that way so uh
you know numbers are right it feels right
um you know and we'll see so we're just you
know i might sell some of my modern sealed
product to help but uh yeah yeah hopefully
i can hang on to my southern ireland stuff
for oh forever yeah no i i wouldn't do that i
would not as much as i want it i don't want
you to sell it yeah no no i couldn't i i could
not now i i might use it like throw it up on my
ebay store to get some attention for the stuff
that i'm willing to sell just because it's like
like what uh like like what scott does with his
illustrator or what gary does with his charizard
collection which um it's pretty epic but yeah so
yeah we'll see a lot of good stuff in in the
works for the future and um yeah too bad i
won't see you in florida next month but um yeah
you know if that goes well you know maybe you
come to the next one i should definitely
go to collect a con whenever that happens
uh again which it sounded like they might try
to do one before the end of the year they said
at the closing of the last uh show so if they do
that that would be really cool i don't know when
maybe september maybe november who knows but
yeah i would definitely consider it because um
uh i so i'm still i'm still working on on my app
and i don't have anything to like really put in
people's hands i didn't ask you i meant i have
some notes but i'm trying to be like polite and
not look at my phone but i did make i i did make
some notes and i wanted to ask you about that
are you are you coding that are you doing that
yourself yeah yeah i'm a dev that's what that's
what i do that that's that's like my trait awesome
yeah yeah so um yeah so i work as a data analyst
and as a dev so i do have experience with data
and it's been a really really cool project because
you know pretty much with with everything that it
is like i'm the first thing that i'm trying to do
is i'm trying to replicate my spreadsheet right
yeah because some of us we've got our spreadsheet
with our prices and what we got things at and what
they are now and that's just too much damn work
yeah so i'm like okay well let me replicate that
in an app and then you know to myself i'm thinking
about it um because i have i know a lot of people
in the hobby collectibles that you know is looking
at data from here from here from here from here
trying to get an idea of what the market's doing
where it's moving where it's going what are the
trends right now and so with the app there are
so many data things that i can do i am so excited
because even looking at to the side competitors
and i call them to the side competitors because
there's like sports card investor right yeah yeah
they do sports card ladder another one that does
sports with some pokemon cards in there so i kind
of consider them competitors because they have
the infrastructure to easily just move into the
pokemon space um you know and and directly
compete with what i'm planning to build um
but but even those apps that i have seen so far um
i want to do things a little bit more like i want
to chart things a little bit differently than how
they're doing it don't give it away here but yeah
it's going to be so awesome um it's i'm so
excited it's a fun project it is like um
it is so tough it is so tough to to work on it and
and and make progress and do all the things for it
when you're one person and and and there's
one app in particular that will be that's
in the sports card space that will be moving
to the pokemon space and they have vc backing
and i'm just like oh my god how do i
expect to compete you know but but i think
i think for myself i think my competitive
edge is that i i don't know i really care
about the data for this and and honestly
for me i'm not even thinking about you know
who who can get to market the quickest because i
think who can get to market the best i think is
really going to win out especially if i can have
the data narrowed down by the 30th anniversary
because i mean there's so much like little bits
of data out there that's not aggregated and put
together where you think 30th or 30th or 25th
um the next anniversary so the 25th my bad i
was like because that's five years there might be
some somebody might listen to this and watch this
and be like you know what that is a good idea wait
hold up yeah yeah exactly so so i mean so i have
plenty of time to really narrow in on the
data you know having having population data um
and not just for psa because beckett does as
well it's just not as friendly to get that data
and then and then hopefully soon cdc will have
population data out there so being able to look at
that from across the board like really being
able to see populations i mean cgc does it for
the comics so it's a little hard to navigate
to get to but yeah like it makes sense to do
it for the cards and then um like with the whole
video game psa buying the the latta i think it was
yeah yeah yeah they they bought they bought wada
um so so that'll be really interesting to see
how that goes and where their priorities kind of
lie because um you know this was back in november
when i was in a cgc forum and people were
talking about oh i want card populations
card populations and and cdc you know responded
to that forum message it was like it's coming
it's coming so you know i yeah so so i'm really
hoping that they do follow through because they've
got a lot of stuff that they're doing they've
got a lot of stuff going on and i'm sure it's
not easy to architect um especially if you don't
have the infrastructure in place to kind of scale
because because i mean the volume is insane
but um but yeah it'll be really cool it'll
be really interesting you know i mean there
there will be costs that come with the app
you know and hosting it so naturally like i
can't make everything free but but it's just
i don't know it's just really important to
me to have like i want to get the data right
because there's a lot of um information that
maybe isn't necessarily quite data based
out there that's kind of floating and i just want
people to be informed um as informed as they can
be and and make the hobby as transparent as it can
be um and there's a lot of hurdles to that but you
know i'm really hoping and and there's there's a
lot of other um people that hobby hobby buddies
that i've been meeting that are also in like the
tech in the data space so i'm really hoping to to
you know work with people who are better than me
on these things that you know we can help bring
a lot of those things to light because what i hate
that happens and i mean this is this happens with
everything but but i don't want you know newcomers
into the hobby to you know be holding the bag
because they didn't have the information that they
needed to know oh actually that's a little bit
overpriced because for example the population
on that is a little bit too much um you know
like like that shiny new that just so i saw it
today sold for 2000 on mercari but you know maybe
once it comes out maybe it's a three or four
hundred dollar card like i think when the the
whole general mills like the cereal promos came
out they were selling for like hundreds but like
you buy a box of cereal for five bucks and
you got the card if you just waited a month
you know things like that so um that's cool
like protecting the the the newcomers in the
hobby and giving them an insight to know like hey
actually this card a month ago was you know one
tenth the price so think about it is it you know
is that it's just getting a height treatment right
now or you know what or maybe it's just realizing
it's it's actual value who knows right no one
has a crystal ball but um yeah well like you
were saying you definitely have to use your
um your experience and your network to grow so
like having a community on here is great you know
um once once your app is out you know i'll sign up
and use it um like i said i don't i don't really
like track the daily like my portfolio but you
know it'll be it'll be worth it'll be worth having
and seeing and um because occasionally i'm like
hey what's what's psa 10 curl chrome you at you
know like i have this image in my head like should
be worth more it's like one of the prettiest cards
in the hobby there's only like a little over 200
maybe close to three now psa tens but um you know
how many of them are actually psa10s you know what
i mean like like the old certs and all that so um
yeah it would be totally worth it and just like
like i was saying using your background your your
past experience your your real world uh skill
set like me i'm an architect i draw in autocad
not as much these days i'm like i'm in a senior
project management role and on site more but um
you know my ability to draw on the computer
i could you know easily turn around designs
my my only um uh downside has been the the weight
and then sometimes uh you know for for the custom
things as well as um uh i've had a few instances
where i placed a custom order for just the parts
again like everything comes in pieces and i built
it but um you know uh fedex damaged the package it
took you know it was a four week order from some
guy overseas and it's like crap you know actu now
you know it's insured it'll get remade but there's
a time you know there's time added to that and um
i want that to go away so you're always trying
to be better and uh even when your app comes out
after it comes out you're gonna be like oh man i
gotta add this feature and that feature in and um
i mean competition is good too like you
never want to feel like you have to play
catch-up um but there will be this like unspoken
competition of just trying to be relevant
and and and constantly create and uh it really
is just having more options for people you know
so so i i think that's a good thing and
i'm excited for for your venture and i
hope i hope you finish it in time for
the 25th uh keep me posted on that yeah
it'll it'll be really great it's really nice when
you can marry what you know skills that you know
in the real world with the fun stuff so i think
that's why it's like it's a hard project but it is
easy in the sense that i don't have to motivate
you know myself to do it which is probably similar
to for you with with um you know with your
project with your business i mean it's just
it's just really easy when when you're working on
something that you like and you're working within
your skill set that you already have yeah so yeah
it's you know it's it's it's the hobby that i love
and it's the skills that i have but yeah i could
build frames and have the tv on and like listen
to alpha investments talk about top tacos and
cardboard i i i love that guy i can just i could
listen to him all day um i don't know if you watch
awesome rudy is so awesome yeah yeah yeah totally
yeah i'm actually i'm actually a patron uh you
know getting getting those getting those cards
he's so much fun he he he was like the first
dude that was like hey so you can think of
these things as assets by the way and i was like
yeah i have no idea yeah yeah yeah i i signed up
for uh i'm not i i missed the boat with his uh
you know uh being on his patreon i think last
year he announced that it's gonna be open for
like a week and then he'd close it and i'm like
you know i like the free videos i'm not like
really like not enough for me to pay for it yet
and then i i actually caved a couple of months
ago when i signed up for sm pratt's um oh nice
uh uh patreon and and that's been informative
i i'm not like super up to date with it but uh
you know when he when he does the in-depth videos
it's really cool just to listen to and if you pay
attention closely um you know you'll learn a thing
or two and it might benefit you in the long run
um yeah i i recently stumbled upon like one
of the first videos the other day from 2016
how to invest in in uh pokemon cards and like one
of the first comments was it was like a comment
from two weeks ago present day um you know if
if you watch this video in 2016 and listen to
everything this man said congratulations you've
made it like i know right yeah that is funny i
guess i would put it at around the time of like
pokemon go when that came out so yeah yeah i i
don't play that i i played it like when it first
came out and then uh i was working in the city
at the time and there was like a flock of people
at the corner of 50 seconds like what are these
people doing they're looking for snorlax is what
they're doing they were looking for a damn snorlax
ain't that a thing that is so that is so
funny yeah um it's it's gotten really good
i i when i first started playing it i was
really frustrated because the servers would
always go down or it would be really slow
and it became at times unplayable but man
i'm wrecking on my walking miles or my kilometers
and leveling up i'm i'm still like at a level 25
but but now it's fun if you get into it let
me know and then we can add each other um
you know because because you got to bring
buddies along so yeah that sounds good maybe
uh you know soon right right now i'm i'm full
of steam ahead with uh you know what one goal
in mind just to set myself up here and and um you
know with the laser cutter and all that stuff but
yeah that's that sounds good sounds good awesome
well you know i i appreciate you being on gosh you
we've been on for almost almost two hours um and
i don't feel like it it it doesn't it doesn't i i
when i when i click your your twitch stream before
just to check it you know from the email you'd
sent so like when the last videos was like three
hours long i'm like three hours what am i gonna
talk about for three hours and like i didn't even
i didn't even look at the little cheat sheet that
you made me of just talking points it's like you
know it sounds good on paper you know i might you
know think what do i talk about but it's when
it's about something you love and it just it
just flows right so that's really cool so yeah i'm
happy we did this and thank you for having me on
yeah absolutely anytime and i mean you know
of course you know as as things come you know
as things in the market change i mean we should
definitely do round two or you know if you've got
cool you know things that are coming out we can do
a round two for anything so you know i'm here for
it um this was really great we had some people
pop on and i didn't mention this earlier but uh
gary gary haas was uh had popped into
the chat i don't know if you noticed that
i actually don't have the chat on
i have i have it full screen here
is there uh comments or anything or yeah
yeah he said hey he's saying hey sweet
cool yeah yeah so um but you know anyways before
we before we um you know end this end this chat i
mean can you just let everyone know where they
can find you and reach you yeah sure it's uh
instagram just at pokey dreamer uh pokey dreamer
and then um the website is www.pokeydreamer.com uh
all my displays are for sale there's a legit
website you could pick out um you know which
color you want and you could customize with the
drop down menus of all the different peg designs
and uh hopefully over the coming weeks that
could change um you know with more options
available and if you have any any uh custom
inquiries you could always reach out to me on ig
or my email which is on my website page there so
yeah and you have uh you actually have a link to
that you could share if you want i think we set
up so i'm not sure how that works when you post
this to youtube or something but you're more than
welcome to include that um yeah you know yeah yeah
yeah absolutely i i will definitely be adding
that too so i mean you know it'll be fun it'll
be good but um i'll this might be a week uh
like a like a two or three weeks before this
comes out but i'll let you know um once that
happens no problem no problem awesome well
thank you so much for having me this is great um
how did i do you did good you did good anyways um