1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,420 Unknown: When I look at all the good things in my life, there 2 00:00:03,420 --> 00:00:08,520 was always something really bad that happened that that led me 3 00:00:08,580 --> 00:00:12,180 down another path that's very true. So, you know, don't you 4 00:00:12,180 --> 00:00:15,240 know if I'm if I'm stuck in a traffic jam and I'm late to an 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,440 appointment, I just I nowadays, I just go, Well, Lord, whatever 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,100 you just kept me from Thank you. Yeah, you know 7 00:00:23,420 --> 00:00:24,440 I'm appreciative. 8 00:00:26,660 --> 00:00:32,360 Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment before it all 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:41,560 goes down the disposal. This is circling the drain. Hey, welcome 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,640 back to circling the drain. John E Bozeman, here. Johnny B, we 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,360 are missing one guy, one guy that'd be Jay Harper. Jay's on 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:50,440 special assignment. 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:55,120 He's, he's out in like, he's, like, I'm jealous. He's out in, 14 00:00:55,420 --> 00:01:00,420 like, Myrtle Beach, I think South Carolina, that's where 15 00:01:00,420 --> 00:01:01,920 he's at. Yeah, he's doing his 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,420 he failed to tell me that part. I'm very 17 00:01:06,420 --> 00:01:09,300 jealous. Or maybe he's not. I could be wrong. All of 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,500 a sudden, I'm not liking Jay. And I love Jay. 19 00:01:13,620 --> 00:01:16,500 He's got his the game time Sports Network. Yes, he does, 20 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:19,500 and that's taking him away to and, you know, he's got he's, I 21 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:21,920 appreciate that because he's I do too, spinning plates. 22 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,100 He is spinning plates, and we totally understood. He said, 23 00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:27,500 Man, I'm sorry. I would love to be there, but 24 00:01:27,980 --> 00:01:31,580 tell him. Tell him. I'm sorry he missed me. I think, well, 25 00:01:31,580 --> 00:01:35,000 I will, yeah. And before I get to introducing our guest, I'll 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,540 introduce the man that makes this thing happen, brother James 27 00:01:38,540 --> 00:01:39,200 McCarthy. 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,420 Thank you, sir. James Patrick. James Patrick, the murderer, 29 00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:48,580 yeah, last one of the other. I said, you know, when you say 30 00:01:48,580 --> 00:01:51,400 your name like that, James Patrick McCarthy, it sounds like 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,460 a serial killer a little bit, because I don't know what it is 32 00:01:54,460 --> 00:01:58,060 about serial killers, but they always have the three names, 33 00:01:58,420 --> 00:02:01,860 okay, all right, you know, think about that. That's why everybody 34 00:02:01,860 --> 00:02:04,440 believed David Allen co when he said that he killed the guy in 35 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:04,920 prison 36 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,860 who gives him the three names, though, is the media, or do they 37 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:11,220 refer to themselves like John Wayne Gacy? They refer to 38 00:02:11,220 --> 00:02:12,120 himself that way? 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,280 Well, Bundy was just Bundy. Yeah. Let's see here. Jeffrey 40 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,740 Dahmer. Jeffrey Dahmer, I don't know what his middle name was. 41 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:22,340 Yeah, I didn't either, and I don't want to know his middle 42 00:02:22,340 --> 00:02:24,320 name, no, be quite honest, 43 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,220 killed Kennedy was gosh. Why can't I think of his name? 44 00:02:31,460 --> 00:02:34,880 Yeah, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, yes, yeah. He was 45 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:35,720 part of it. 46 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,480 Well, well, I think that the real killer is a three name 47 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:39,920 individual as well, the 48 00:02:40,220 --> 00:02:48,940 CIA, yeah, or, or some people say George HW Bush, before we go 49 00:02:48,940 --> 00:02:56,500 into that, we got a great guest today. I'm looking later. That's 50 00:02:56,500 --> 00:03:02,940 exciting. But Scott Southworth, if you're not familiar with his 51 00:03:02,940 --> 00:03:07,140 stuff, you need to get familiar, because this guy is one talented 52 00:03:07,380 --> 00:03:12,540 cat well. And he Well, I mean, I mean you, you are a great 53 00:03:12,540 --> 00:03:19,560 musician, great entertainer. And I love your website, because in 54 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:26,600 the bio, it says, I write songs. I like pi, I play, what is it? 55 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Laravel, Laravel guitars. And I really like pi. I really so what 56 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,020 kind of pie Do you like? Yes, I mean, there's all of the above. 57 00:03:36,020 --> 00:03:36,920 It doesn't matter. 58 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,320 Well, it does matter. It does matter. And I'm glad we're 59 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,980 getting to these hard hitting questions. Well, yeah, I want 60 00:03:41,980 --> 00:03:47,140 to, yeah. It depends on the season. Like, in the springtime, 61 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,860 you can't come at me with a pumpkin pie. I'm not touching 62 00:03:50,860 --> 00:03:53,920 it. Just like in the fall, I don't want lemon. Yeah, you 63 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,340 know, so it really depends, but, but I'd like to say I'm an equal 64 00:03:57,340 --> 00:04:01,320 opportunity pie eater. It's just a matter of, you know, the right 65 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,380 the right time of the year, yeah, to enjoy, I understand, 66 00:04:04,380 --> 00:04:08,940 yeah. See, I'm picky. I just like pumpkin pie, like you say, 67 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:12,180 in the right time of the right time of year, and otherwise, 68 00:04:12,180 --> 00:04:16,200 chocolate pie, chocolate meringue or chocolate cream. It 69 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,620 doesn't matter either one. See, for me, it has to be chocolate 70 00:04:19,620 --> 00:04:24,560 cream. Yeah, yeah. I like lemon. I can dig that. But yeah, that, 71 00:04:24,980 --> 00:04:29,420 but no, I will try anything at least three or four times just 72 00:04:29,420 --> 00:04:30,260 to make sure. 73 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,500 Make sure you make sure. Give me a little more just to make sure 74 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:36,500 I like absolutely, I'll test that one. Jury still out. 75 00:04:38,180 --> 00:04:41,320 They're kind of dripping back in, so bring more Jim, how about 76 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,680 you which? What is your pie preference? I'm like you with 77 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,260 the chocolate pie, I could pretty much eat pumpkin pie year 78 00:04:47,260 --> 00:04:47,740 round 79 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,520 and pecan pie. 80 00:04:51,580 --> 00:04:55,180 Yeah, nice. All right. Well, this was fun, guys. 81 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,840 We'll talk cookie. Days. So we met. Now, we met during the W l 82 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:07,200 a c days, which is a radio station for those that are not 83 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,560 in the Nashville area. But you should know w l a c because it 84 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,820 it used to get out everywhere. Oh, yeah, historic, historic man 85 00:05:14,820 --> 00:05:17,100 R and B, John R. 86 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:21,812 It was the first, the first station that reached had that 87 00:05:21,812 --> 00:05:25,352 kind of reach, yeah, that played what they called Race music, 88 00:05:25,352 --> 00:05:28,052 yes, you know, after hours. 89 00:05:28,172 --> 00:05:32,192 In fact, Haas Allen, one of the DJs which I got to work with, 90 00:05:32,192 --> 00:05:36,092 which I felt really, yeah, he worked in the station when I was 91 00:05:36,092 --> 00:05:41,140 there, and he was really cool, because when he was on the air 92 00:05:41,140 --> 00:05:45,040 on WAC, they all thought he was black, okay, and he was a white 93 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,500 guy, but he just he had black soul, and yeah, and he actually 94 00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:54,220 told me this great story of producing Jimi Hendrix's first 95 00:05:54,220 --> 00:05:59,500 record. And he, as he told the story, he said, I get him in 96 00:05:59,500 --> 00:06:04,020 there. And he said, Billy Cox brought him in and said he he 97 00:06:04,020 --> 00:06:07,620 put him on the session, and he said, all of a sudden he starts 98 00:06:07,620 --> 00:06:11,040 playing all this wild, you know, making it scream. And he goes, 99 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:14,460 it's the talk buddy. He said, hey dude. He said, I just want 100 00:06:14,460 --> 00:06:18,780 you to play rhythm. I don't want all that wild crap in there. He 101 00:06:18,780 --> 00:06:22,820 said, Yes, sir. And so they get to doing the you know song 102 00:06:22,820 --> 00:06:26,900 again. All of a sudden, Hendricks starts wailing. Haas 103 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:32,240 looks at the engineering, goes, take him out of the mix. Oh, so 104 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,080 he so Hendricks isn't on the first they took him out. I said, 105 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,320 Haas, what would have happened if you'd kept Hendrix in there? 106 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,200 And he said, I wouldn't be talking to you. 107 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,880 But anyway, that's where we first I 108 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:51,520 think, Well, I wasn't you had already moved on. I'd moved on 109 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,260 to tn. I moved here in 2004 110 00:06:54,460 --> 00:06:57,280 Oh, well, that's true then, yeah, but so I've got it all 111 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:01,320 wrong. That's okay. Imagine that. That's fake news. 112 00:07:02,700 --> 00:07:07,800 No. What happened? Well, I'm Joe Biden. I can't remember where we 113 00:07:07,860 --> 00:07:15,300 met. Was one the news guy, W LH, Dan item. Dan item would have 114 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:21,440 Christmas Day cocktail party kind of a thing, yeah, and with 115 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,620 hors d'oeuvres, and then we'd all go in the garage and play 116 00:07:24,620 --> 00:07:30,380 music, and I met you. You were dating your beautiful bride. Was 117 00:07:30,380 --> 00:07:34,940 I dating glynith? Yeah, yeah, not gotten hitched yet, yeah. 118 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:42,100 But that's when I met you and and we just kind of have, have 119 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,060 kept in each other's orbit, you know, back and forth, here and 120 00:07:46,060 --> 00:07:50,920 there and yeah and yeah. I just always enjoyed visiting with 121 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,820 you. And I've told you this before, but I loved it when you 122 00:07:54,820 --> 00:07:59,020 were when you'd be subbing in on tn, oh, thank you. Just because 123 00:07:59,860 --> 00:08:06,300 I I get bored with with non stop politic fire. 124 00:08:06,539 --> 00:08:09,419 That's why we're doing this. Yeah, and the fact 125 00:08:09,419 --> 00:08:12,359 that you would talk about anything, I've always really, 126 00:08:12,359 --> 00:08:13,199 really enjoyed that. 127 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,840 Oh, man, I appreciate that. Yeah, man, well, the same here. 128 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,500 I've loved your writing. I love your music. The big thing I like 129 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:24,860 about you is that it's hillbilly music, but it's got, it's 130 00:08:24,860 --> 00:08:30,380 hillbilly with, with wit now, you're a great writer. Thank 131 00:08:30,380 --> 00:08:33,800 you, man, you really are. Appreciate that. And tell us a 132 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,800 little bit about how you got into the music career and how 133 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,040 you got it going, because you kind of did it late in life. Did 134 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,140 you not well. 135 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,220 I mean, I did music all the time. I learned how to play 136 00:08:45,220 --> 00:08:49,180 guitar when I was 17, and so not, you know, I wasn't playing 137 00:08:49,180 --> 00:08:56,380 drums at five, like Reggie, but no, I started playing. My uncles 138 00:08:56,380 --> 00:08:59,680 all played guitar, my mom sang. And so I was always around 139 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:04,320 music. Yeah, I started playing in bands and and I was soon as I 140 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,800 learned three or four chords, I started writing, writing things, 141 00:09:07,860 --> 00:09:13,740 yeah, but it was never matching up to the kind of bands I was 142 00:09:13,740 --> 00:09:19,380 in. I was in oldies, Rock Band, Little Richard type of stuff, or 143 00:09:19,380 --> 00:09:24,440 or rock, or reggae or blues, but everything I wrote was country, 144 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,600 and that comes from very early exposure, when I was like, two, 145 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,580 three and four that I didn't really consciously remember 146 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:38,300 until much later in life. Yeah, and then I realized, oh man, I 147 00:09:38,300 --> 00:09:41,980 was immersed in this stuff early on, because I couldn't figure 148 00:09:41,980 --> 00:09:44,380 out what were the right where these songs were coming from, 149 00:09:44,380 --> 00:09:50,260 yeah, because I'm, I'm playing, you know, squeeze my lemon into 150 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:55,420 the rooster crows for days and and I'm writing a honky tonk 151 00:09:55,420 --> 00:09:57,880 song, and it's like, I don't know where that's coming from, 152 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,920 and it never matched any of the band. I was playing in till much 153 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,780 later, I'd walked away from music, and eventually, in San 154 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:11,100 Diego, I joined a country band. And while they were having a SIG 155 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,580 one one night with the porch door open, I was start noodling 156 00:10:14,580 --> 00:10:17,100 around on an old song. And they're like, What? What's that? 157 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,480 I said, Oh, just some stupid thing I wrote. And they said, 158 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,880 well, keep going. And two weeks later, they're doing 1010, 12 of 159 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,240 my original songs, wow, in our sets. And so I'd been writing 160 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,480 country for years and had no idea, yeah, like I said earlier, 161 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,680 I'm not a smart man, so it took me a while to catch on, yeah, 162 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:37,160 yeah. 163 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,460 And you also had a great show on WAC. I remember the music road 164 00:10:42,460 --> 00:10:42,760 show, 165 00:10:43,060 --> 00:10:46,960 the accidental Radio Show. 166 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:52,600 Well, I was, I was having lunch with, with my buddy, hi, no, who 167 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:58,000 also sold, I sold radio at WAC and and we were both 168 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,480 songwriters, and we were both having lunch and just 169 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,140 complaining about how we couldn't figure out any access. 170 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:06,540 You know, we're on Music Row. Yeah, there's all these 171 00:11:06,540 --> 00:11:10,620 publishing houses, or there used to be and and we, we just 172 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:14,220 couldn't figure out how to get in there. And I said, it was 173 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:17,460 very our gang little little rascals type of thing. I was 174 00:11:17,460 --> 00:11:21,080 like, I know, let's do a show. I said, Well, we'll do a show, and 175 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,620 we'll interview these people and and so we thought about it, and 176 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:28,640 we kind of put an idea together. And then I said, When am I going 177 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,120 to do that? Because I was selling radio at night. I was 178 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,640 driving airport shuttles till like, two or three in the 179 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,180 morning. Wow. And then that was like four nights a week, and the 180 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:41,020 other three nights I was out playing any songwriter night I 181 00:11:41,020 --> 00:11:44,560 could. Yeah, that's like, When am I going to do this? Forget 182 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:49,420 it. So I, I put the kibosh on it, and about two months later, 183 00:11:49,420 --> 00:11:52,720 I was in my sales manager's office. Bill button. If you 184 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,140 remember Bill button, I remember Bill Scott. Come in here, 185 00:11:56,140 --> 00:12:02,400 please. And and Tom peace, the program in there, great guy and 186 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,100 Tom. Tom said something that still sticks with me in a 187 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:09,180 meeting. Speaking of word salads earlier, he said somebody's 188 00:12:09,180 --> 00:12:12,000 asked him about something. He goes it is what it was and has 189 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,980 been since the last time we discussed it. 190 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,220 That sounds like Tom, wow. You said 191 00:12:17,340 --> 00:12:21,020 absolutely nothing. That's incredible. I am in my I'm in a 192 00:12:21,260 --> 00:12:22,580 deep admiration. 193 00:12:22,580 --> 00:12:25,520 He made a career out of that. Actually did, what a nice guy, 194 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:26,600 though, but we're sitting 195 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,900 there and they're they're complaining and talking in 196 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:34,940 Bill's office and and peace goes, we still got these two 197 00:12:34,940 --> 00:12:38,240 hours that we got to fill on Sunday nights. What are we going 198 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,420 to do with that? I'll take it. And he goes, what are you going 199 00:12:43,420 --> 00:12:46,000 to do? Just play your songs. I said, I like where your head's 200 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,460 at, but no, what about this? And and it was quiet for a minute. 201 00:12:51,460 --> 00:12:55,360 And he goes, All right, you start in two weeks. And I go, 202 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,480 I've never been on radio. What do I do? And he goes, not my 203 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,860 problem. Wow. You start in two weeks. I go, Well, how do I book 204 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,240 again? My problem come in next week, I'll give you a 10 minute 205 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,860 tutorial, and off you go. 206 00:13:07,860 --> 00:13:10,680 It's pretty much all you need. Yeah, that's it. 207 00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:16,560 And so there. And so yeah. Then from there, we interviewed 208 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:22,040 anybody and everybody from Dolly Parton Little Richard, I think I 209 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:27,620 told you, Richard Rodney Crowell, Rodney Crowell and and, 210 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:32,960 and a bunch of rock, you know, producers and publishers and for 211 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,640 10 years, Vince Gill Ricky Skaggs, just, just, it was 212 00:13:37,700 --> 00:13:42,400 incredible, yeah. And the thing that I learned out of all that 213 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:49,900 was, there's the stars, right but, and there's an arc of a of 214 00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:53,500 a career for an artist. And at first we were trying to talk to 215 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:57,160 people right about here, yes, until we did a couple of those, 216 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,040 and they were just terrible interviews. You know, it's like 217 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,360 everything was great. Yeah, I love my producer. I love my 218 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,740 label. I'll have so much fun. I love everything about this. No, 219 00:14:07,740 --> 00:14:11,040 I want to play record. I want to talk to people here, yeah, 220 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:15,720 because then we would get these real stories right. And, and so, 221 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,120 yeah. And I just learned that, you know, even if you had a 222 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,780 bunch of success 1015, years ago, chances are you got a 223 00:14:23,780 --> 00:14:26,240 baseball cap, and you might be working at Home Depot for the 224 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,420 health insurance. Oh, you know, and, and it kind of helped me 225 00:14:29,660 --> 00:14:34,220 calibrate how I wanted to treat my my songwriting and my 226 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,760 artistic that, that and during the commercial breaks, yeah, we 227 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,140 had a publisher in near, near when I, when I when I decided to 228 00:14:41,140 --> 00:14:44,260 kind of head in a different direction creatively. And I said 229 00:14:44,380 --> 00:14:46,960 during the commercial, I said, Okay, seriously, what are you 230 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:52,900 looking for? And he goes, super young, super hot artists 231 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:57,220 capability. Can do all their stuff on a computer, all their 232 00:14:57,220 --> 00:15:00,300 demos on a computer, so we don't have to pay for it. And. Writes 233 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:04,620 with all the other young, hot, hit writers in town, and I sat 234 00:15:04,620 --> 00:15:11,520 there and I go, No, no, no, no, okay, then, and it just kind of 235 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,340 helped chart me on a different path. Yeah, yeah. 236 00:15:14,819 --> 00:15:18,059 And you did go down a great path. What got you going as far 237 00:15:18,059 --> 00:15:20,339 as what you're doing now with the singer songwriter? 238 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:27,440 You know, I always sang my own demos because I'm cheap and and 239 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,500 I and I can mimic certain things. So I'm always like, 240 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:32,780 okay, whatever the song needs, that's the kind of voice I'll 241 00:15:32,780 --> 00:15:39,260 do, yeah. But every, every year, I would use one of my budgeted 242 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,840 demos just to do a song that I like, just that I wanted to 243 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:50,380 hear, because it was 2006 2007 2008 that was the rise of bro 244 00:15:50,380 --> 00:15:54,400 country. And, you know, the stuff that I wanted to hear was 245 00:15:55,060 --> 00:15:59,080 that traditional, that that, you know, the pedal steel and the 246 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,520 fiddle and all of that. So I would do one a year like that, 247 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:08,400 just for me. And in 2016 I had enough to do a whole project of 248 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:14,460 just that. So I put it out just for the heck of it. You know, I 249 00:16:14,460 --> 00:16:18,540 had done a couple of mishmash CDs, yeah, since moving here. 250 00:16:18,540 --> 00:16:21,620 And I don't like to brag, Jim, but they sold upwards of 910, 251 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,520 copies each. That's something is, 252 00:16:25,939 --> 00:16:27,619 but I put more than we sold. 253 00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:33,980 But I put this album out and and I woke up the next morning and I 254 00:16:33,980 --> 00:16:36,560 and every morning, I started getting emails from different 255 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,860 places in Europe saying, Oh, we love this. It's on we're, no, 256 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,640 it's on heavy rotation. This is getting played, and there's a, 257 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,820 we're doing an article, and we're doing a podcast, and are 258 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:48,880 not a podcast, but, you know? And I was just like, what, what 259 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,480 on earth is this? Wow. And it turns out, I found these little 260 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:58,000 pockets in Europe of ears, yeah, that that were hungry for that 261 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,340 style of country that wasn't cover songs. Yeah, that was, 262 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:08,220 that was originals and, and so I started touring over there, and, 263 00:17:08,220 --> 00:17:12,540 and, and it's great, because I can go and and be a hillbilly 264 00:17:12,540 --> 00:17:16,800 rock star and and get treated really cool, and go play for 265 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:22,040 1000s of people, and then I come home, literally in as I played a 266 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,480 festival in Norway, 1000s of people and and there, and the 267 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,660 front row, the several layers of the front row, are younger 268 00:17:29,660 --> 00:17:33,080 people singing my lyrics. So they, they, they're familiar 269 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,740 with, Oh, wow. And I, and I fly home, and the next week, I'm 270 00:17:36,740 --> 00:17:43,360 playing a little art festival here in Spring Hill, and it's in 271 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:46,120 a coffee coffee joint. So I start to walk in, and they go, 272 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:50,080 Oh, no, no, no, no, you're playing outside. Okay, so I set 273 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,120 my little thing up outside and and I'm playing to my wife, two 274 00:17:55,120 --> 00:18:00,840 kids on a swing, their mom on a bench, smoking a cigarette 275 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:07,560 saying, Bobby, don't push your sister so hard. And, you know, 276 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:12,840 and that's, that's the coolness of it is, I can go and play, you 277 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,860 know, like, like, I'm something, and then come home and and go 278 00:18:16,860 --> 00:18:21,740 back to my day job and play for little Bobby and and his very 279 00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:29,180 dizzy sister. So I love it, but, but I get to play my own stuff 280 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,800 and so. So to answer your original question, I it was 281 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,120 just, I always sang my own demos. So when I had enough for 282 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:42,100 a whole album, I said, Oh, and, and, honestly, I was planning on 283 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:45,280 doing a couple other projects, but then that took off, and I 284 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,760 said, look, it's what I love to write. I'm just going to lean 285 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,560 into this. And I have, for the last 1011, years now, been, oh 286 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,540 yeah, been having the time of my life and making, you know, I 287 00:18:58,540 --> 00:19:01,620 don't quit my job. It's not anything like that, but compared 288 00:19:01,620 --> 00:19:04,140 to when I was beating my head against the wall trying to write 289 00:19:04,140 --> 00:19:09,000 for radio, you know, I can, I can have some fun and make a 290 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,900 little money and play my music for people that want to hear my 291 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:18,720 stuff. And I think what the show taught me is the idea that if 292 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,940 you're in music, you're rich beyond your wildest dreams is 293 00:19:23,180 --> 00:19:26,600 usually not the case, right? You know, there's the garths and the 294 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:31,040 dollies and the, you know, the biggies, but that's rare, but 295 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,980 that's a percentage of a percentage of a percent, right? 296 00:19:33,980 --> 00:19:38,420 Of people that ever get to that level, right? So once I saw 297 00:19:38,420 --> 00:19:40,420 that, I go, well, then I just want to play what I want to 298 00:19:40,420 --> 00:19:43,600 play, and I'm having a great time. 299 00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:46,720 Well, it comes across good. Oh, it really does, because your 300 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:52,120 music, it makes me happy. I mean, I just love your videos, 301 00:19:52,180 --> 00:19:56,260 especially the grandma used to honky. Granny used to honk you. 302 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,420 What a great video with Dallas. 303 00:19:58,419 --> 00:20:02,339 Moore, man, yeah. Man. Have you met him? I have not never got to 304 00:20:02,339 --> 00:20:06,659 meet him. What a trip that guy plays something like 315 shows a 305 00:20:06,659 --> 00:20:13,259 year. Wow. And I mean, just in a van, running around night after 306 00:20:13,259 --> 00:20:16,499 night after night. It's, it's, I could never do that. I would not 307 00:20:16,499 --> 00:20:20,419 want to do that. No, I'm with you. I like to be asleep on the 308 00:20:20,419 --> 00:20:27,679 couch by nine o'clock at the latest, but, but i What a great 309 00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:31,219 artist he is, and a fun songwriter to work on that with. 310 00:20:31,220 --> 00:20:36,980 Well, you also, what was it? Middle finger first? Yes, yes. I 311 00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:41,020 think I heard, did you play that on Matt Murphy show on I might 312 00:20:41,020 --> 00:20:43,240 have, yeah. I think you did, because I listened to that 313 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,300 interview that day, yeah, and when you played that song, I 314 00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:49,240 thought that should be the national anthem of Nashville 315 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,940 drivers everywhere, exactly, 316 00:20:52,060 --> 00:20:58,840 exactly, no. And I don't know there was a gal that worked at 317 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,540 Clear Channel in traffic, a young girl, and she came up to 318 00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:06,840 me one day years ago with that idea. She goes, I have an idea, 319 00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:11,340 and we tried to write it, but I wasn't, I wasn't old and grumpy 320 00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:15,120 enough to write that song, yeah, and I, and I held on to it for 321 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:22,460 probably 1012, years, wow, until I was out at a cabin near I live 322 00:21:22,460 --> 00:21:25,460 out in Marshall County, and I was at a cabin where on 323 00:21:25,460 --> 00:21:30,020 Tuesdays, these guys all get around and and smoke and drink 324 00:21:30,020 --> 00:21:34,700 and play guitars and complain yeah and and one night, they 325 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:37,820 were just on a tear, and they're complaining about everything. 326 00:21:37,820 --> 00:21:42,640 And I just started cataloging it all. And I got home, and I was a 327 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:49,120 little tipsy, and I I found an interview with with Sammy Hagar, 328 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:53,020 interviewing Mellencamp, yeah, and, and at the end of the 329 00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:57,580 interviews, Hagar says, So what pisses you off? And melon camp 330 00:21:57,580 --> 00:22:03,060 says, everything. And between them, that and the middle finger 331 00:22:03,060 --> 00:22:06,180 first, it just, I said, oh my goodness, there it is. Yeah. 332 00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:10,740 Just was able to put it all together in just an hour or two. 333 00:22:10,740 --> 00:22:15,000 And, and it's, it's a fun song. Oh, it is. People love it. You 334 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:20,220 know, I love that. You said, what I do makes you happy, 335 00:22:20,220 --> 00:22:26,300 because what I focus on more than anything else is, you know, 336 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:29,420 so many people are wanting to preach one way or the other, yes 337 00:22:29,420 --> 00:22:35,000 and and I want everybody to like my music. You know, I have very 338 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,940 dear friends that I hang out with on a regular basis that 339 00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:42,940 have no idea how I vote. It's like, I vote, I donate, and I 340 00:22:42,940 --> 00:22:46,960 shut my pie hole up, and yes, and I play music because I want, 341 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,900 I just want to be, even if they're only listening to one 342 00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:53,380 song, if I can take their mind off the fire hose of information 343 00:22:53,380 --> 00:22:56,440 that we're all bombarded with for three and a half minutes. 344 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,020 Yes, that's awesome. And if they come to a show, that's even 345 00:22:59,020 --> 00:22:59,500 better. 346 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:01,920 Well, see, that's why I think music has always been about 347 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,240 that's why I've never, you know I like, I've always liked Steve 348 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,220 Earle's music, but I can't take going to his shows because I 349 00:23:11,220 --> 00:23:12,540 don't want to be preached to. 350 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,520 Well, you know what I think, though, is they, if you look at 351 00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:23,480 that generation, who were there? Who were they looking up to the 352 00:23:23,780 --> 00:23:29,540 birds, right? Dylan, Peter, Paul and Mary. And that was a time 353 00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:33,560 when we had one news source, right, six o'clock, you know, 354 00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:39,980 Walter Cronkite, right? And so I think that that the music being 355 00:23:39,980 --> 00:23:45,880 a voice was more important than now, when we're in 24 hour news 356 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,540 cycle and yes, you're just bombarded every minute of the 357 00:23:49,540 --> 00:23:54,220 day. Your Facebook posts that you see, your, your, you know, 358 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,120 yeah, your, your Tinder profiles, Jim, just everything 359 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:03,660 you see. Grinder, no. All right, it's a party. 360 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,440 But, you know, I mean, let's get it straight. All 361 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,180 right, you can't escape it now. So yeah, for me, and if someone 362 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:16,500 really feels the need to be a message type of artist, God 363 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:21,020 bless them, it's just not my choice. I just want to, yeah, 364 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,940 take your mind off it and give you a smile 365 00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:27,140 Well, and that's what I like. And as far as protest songs go, 366 00:24:27,140 --> 00:24:32,420 I don't mind the songs. It's, it's the on stage constant, 367 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,220 right? Yeah, when they get into a political speech, right? It's 368 00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:39,860 like, that's not what I came here to do. I came here to get 369 00:24:39,860 --> 00:24:41,380 away from all that, yeah, 370 00:24:41,379 --> 00:24:43,899 because half of the artists, if all they did was sing their 371 00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:48,639 songs. Now, you can't hardly understand a lot of their their 372 00:24:48,639 --> 00:24:52,299 singing anyway, so I wouldn't know, you know if it was a 373 00:24:52,299 --> 00:24:53,619 protest song or not? 374 00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:57,580 No, I mean, and to me, those are great protest songs anyway, that 375 00:24:57,580 --> 00:25:00,720 if you can't really, right? Yeah. You can't, well, it's 376 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,140 like, Steve put out one called the revolution starts now. And 377 00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:08,160 it was around the time that Ron Paul was running, yeah, and Ron 378 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,080 Paul made it a revolution. And I thought, well, the song works 379 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,280 for him. It works that way. So you don't have to, you know, put 380 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,760 it in with that, that that genre, but you just write great 381 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,200 stuff. Thank you that I love. And the one that I really fell 382 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,920 in love with was cicada enchilada, okay, because I love 383 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,540 and I wish Jay Harper were here, because Jay is from Louisiana 384 00:25:35,540 --> 00:25:38,840 area. Oh, and he would have loved that. I mean, he loved 385 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,760 that tune, yeah, because it's got such a Cajun flavor to it, 386 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,360 well. 387 00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:47,560 And that was from listening to talk radio. I was on a drive. I 388 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,780 was listening to, it was it Murphy, or it might have been 389 00:25:53,020 --> 00:25:57,160 Brian, I don't know. It was somebody on tn, and they were 390 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,480 cicadas were coming out, yeah, and they're like, is it cicada 391 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,540 or cicada, and they're talking about it and, and, what, what? 392 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,980 What's the point of them? What good are they? And, and I'm 393 00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:10,920 driving, and I said, Oh, cicada enchiladas. And that made me 394 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,560 laugh. And so I kind of fleshed it out. And then I reached out 395 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,300 to my buddy les Kerr, who's also from the Gulf, yeah. And he 396 00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:26,300 does, he just had his he does an annual, 34th annual Mardi Gras 397 00:26:26,540 --> 00:26:30,380 concert at the Bluebird. He does every, every year, yeah. And I 398 00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:35,840 said, Hey, I need this to sound like, like a Cajun song, so kind 399 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,140 of like a Zydeco in a way, yeah, yeah. So I said, I said, I need 400 00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:43,120 someone that has that sensibility, yeah, and so he 401 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:44,380 came in and wrote it with me. 402 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,560 I was really shocked when I heard Jay, because he's such a 403 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,580 master at voices, and he comes out with that Louisiana twang. I 404 00:26:51,580 --> 00:26:55,420 was like, because that I try to do voices as well as a voiceover 405 00:26:55,420 --> 00:26:59,020 artist, and that's one of the dialects I cannot get. Oh, it's 406 00:26:59,020 --> 00:27:02,220 tough. Yeah, it's tough, but he does so well, it's natural with, 407 00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:03,600 oh my gosh, yeah. 408 00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:07,500 Well, and you would not know, because Jay has that 409 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,920 quintessential broadcast radio broadcaster voice. 410 00:27:11,639 --> 00:27:15,299 He's got a great voice. Yeah, I can see why he has so many 411 00:27:15,419 --> 00:27:17,879 plates in the air, because the guy's so good. That's great. 412 00:27:17,879 --> 00:27:19,559 Yeah, he's got great voice. That's that's a part 413 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,020 of the country I always wanted to explore more. I was just 414 00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:24,680 telling my business telling my business partner this morning 415 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,860 about it. I said, you know, I just feel inexplicably drawn to, 416 00:27:27,860 --> 00:27:30,620 like the bayou and, yeah, the basin area. 417 00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:33,920 Well, they're an interesting group of people. When I went 418 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:41,140 down there for one don't go down in July and August. Yeah, it 419 00:27:41,140 --> 00:27:45,160 takes your breath away. But the people down there are, it's just 420 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,260 a different vibe, a different breed. I mean, they're and plus, 421 00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:54,400 I went to some Alcoholics Anonymous meetings down there, 422 00:27:54,820 --> 00:27:58,540 and you talk about wild, because in those meetings, they tell 423 00:27:58,540 --> 00:28:02,220 their stories of, you know, they're, they're tough times 424 00:28:02,220 --> 00:28:06,420 with addiction. And you know, I've done them in several 425 00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:10,800 different towns, but none like down there. It was like, wild, 426 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:20,220 Wow, are you still alive. It's a fun I'd like to spend more time 427 00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:22,400 down there. I like to go down there again, because I really 428 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,040 did enjoy my time down in Louisiana. 429 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,060 Have you seen? 430 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:33,080 Oh, what's his name? The actor from American pie with the 431 00:28:33,140 --> 00:28:36,080 eyebrows. Oh, Eugene Levy. Eugene Levy, have you seen his 432 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,440 reluctant traveler series on Apple TV? 433 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,760 I think I've seen. I've know of it. I don't think I've seen it. 434 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,600 It's a great 435 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:49,540 series, but there's one where he goes down into the bayou and 436 00:28:49,540 --> 00:28:54,040 spends time, you know, at a crawfish boil and and just 437 00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:57,040 really immersing himself with those with those folks. And you 438 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,840 could not have two completely different types of people, yeah, 439 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,020 but it's, it's, it's a great, great series. 440 00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:08,400 Yeah, I've taken, I've taken, like, I had to do a lot of work 441 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,400 down in Baton Rouge, and it's just introduced. I just love 442 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,460 going down there. It's, it's very run down. The 443 00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:18,120 infrastructure is really run down. But you get into those 444 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,520 areas with the hanging Spanish moss and that iconic look of 445 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,520 that, you know? Oh, it's gorgeous, yeah. And I'm like, I 446 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,220 wish my wife was here with me, you know. And taking all I would 447 00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:30,800 always go through New Orleans, because at the time, I didn't 448 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,380 New Orleans, New Orleans, I've never been there before, so 449 00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:36,380 always drive through it and across the lake, Pontchartrain 450 00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:39,980 bridge, yeah, because I'm like, that, that just, that is just 451 00:29:39,980 --> 00:29:42,400 absolutely staggering. It's amazing. You're in the middle of 452 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,240 that thing. You can't see land, no, that's so cool. It is cool 453 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:46,660 when 454 00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:50,260 you're driving into those areas where you have the Spanish moss 455 00:29:50,260 --> 00:29:55,120 and you're getting into the swampy areas, yeah, put on 456 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,300 Neville Brothers yellow moon album, because that's just. It. 457 00:30:00,660 --> 00:30:03,900 It just like a little soundtrack drivers that area. 458 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,200 Yeah, I remember going through downtown New Orleans on the way 459 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,320 back from a job that we were doing there, and I would always 460 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,040 just take that little jaunt out there. It's so scenic, you know. 461 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,820 And we went, I had to go to the bathroom, so we pulled off and 462 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,940 found myself right across from Cafe Le Monde, and they had 463 00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:23,540 music. It was a Saturday morning, I want to say, and 464 00:30:23,540 --> 00:30:26,240 there was all sorts of stuff going on, music and everything. 465 00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:30,320 And you hearing that authentic New Orleanian jazz. I'm like, I 466 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,360 just want to hang out here, but I can't 10 hour drive to get 467 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,900 back. But, man, it was, I just want to go back and hang out. 468 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,960 Yeah, now it's, it's a it's a fun place. I met Aaron Neville 469 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,040 once. I got to go backstage at a show of his right after we got 470 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,480 married. Sorry, Neville Brothers and my wife's never gonna listen 471 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:58,540 to this, so I'll tell a nice embarrassing story. We, we had 472 00:30:58,540 --> 00:31:01,680 been married maybe a year, and a friend of ours went to school 473 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,980 with Charles Neville, so got us all backstage, and I was a big 474 00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:08,580 Aaron Neville fan, big Neville Brothers, period. But I got to 475 00:31:08,580 --> 00:31:11,940 meet him, and I introduced myself, and a his voice is so 476 00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:14,700 low when he's talking, yeah, you know, which is weird because 477 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:18,060 he's up there when he's singing. But I said, I said, it's so nice 478 00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:22,520 to meet you. And he's like, I said, you know, my wife and I 479 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,280 his very first morning after, we danced in the shower at a yellow 480 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,440 moon, and my wife just goes three shades of red. Yeah, she's 481 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,400 mortified that I would say that she turns around and won't face 482 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,260 him and and he just sits there till she turns back around and 483 00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:47,380 he goes the morning after what she leaves, she's out. We got 484 00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:50,380 out in the audience, and she's so mad I can't believe you'd say 485 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:54,580 that you've humiliated me. And she was so angry. And before 486 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:57,940 they did yellow moon, he goes this one goes out to my shower. 487 00:31:57,940 --> 00:32:03,960 Dancers. Oh. Ah, 488 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,740 that's right, I was a hero for at least 10 minutes. 489 00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:15,180 But yeah, so that's my, that's my little Neville Brothers. But 490 00:32:15,180 --> 00:32:18,060 yeah, great, great CD to be listening to while you're 491 00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:18,660 driving through. 492 00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:21,000 Keep that in mind. Yeah, man, one of these days we'll get down 493 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,900 there. Yeah, that's we ought to do. We ought to do a road trip. 494 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,460 Hell yeah, Scott, do some remotes. Yeah, yeah. Remotes 495 00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:31,220 always work. Yeah. Radio remotes are going wrong. 496 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,400 Well, say we could get you, you play some gigs down there. We'll 497 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,520 go down and do a podcast right there. And Barney 498 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,560 mentioned Reggie earlier, yeah, he's a troubadour. 499 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,100 Well, and I have some, I got some new orleans friends that 500 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:49,000 are musicians that, there you go, yeah, I'm a drummer. There 501 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,900 you go, here, I won't, I won't. Yeah, what kind of drummer? 502 00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:54,040 I'm also a musician. 503 00:32:56,740 --> 00:32:59,680 Those two things are not mutually exclusive, right? Okay, 504 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,080 good to know. Yeah, Dan, item watches this. He'll be after 505 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,040 both dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. Dan, did you ever see 506 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,520 his horn band? Yes, I did. Boy, that's something else, right? 507 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,060 And he, you talk about a guy that he can play and sing 508 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:20,660 anything that dude, yeah, he blew me away. My the probably 509 00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:24,200 the best moment I've ever had as far as music went was they 510 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,260 played the exit in was when he had the, he's with the Billy 511 00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:31,100 Joel Christie's X, Christie's X, what a great band. Well, they 512 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,340 the guy that usually did the Billy Joel part wasn't there. He 513 00:33:34,340 --> 00:33:37,400 was sick. Oh, no. So they were playing anything they they 514 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,900 wanted to. So they start. They played Highway to Hell. Okay? 515 00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:46,360 And I just got a divorce, and I was in the crowd, and the lady 516 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,780 I'd taken with, she goes, you sing that. Why don't you get up 517 00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:53,320 and sing it? I said, I can't do that. That's she goes, now, go 518 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,040 on up. I bet, yeah, everybody wouldn't mind. And so went up 519 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,140 and sang the last part. And, man, the crowd went crazy. That 520 00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:01,680 was a 521 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,100 great band. They were great band. 522 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,640 But Dan's been an air. I mean, he's just a phenomenal guy. He 523 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,480 is. I really miss him being in. He was a good news I mean, you 524 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,260 talk about a good radio guy and a good musician. He had both 525 00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:16,980 going on 526 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:23,360 well and and at W LHC, you know, back when it was clear channel, 527 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,700 not I Heart Radio, but no heart when I started, when I started 528 00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:33,260 at W, L, A, C, that the newsroom had, like, 1213, oh yeah, it was 529 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,760 a huge newsroom. And, and, of course, every Christmas and 530 00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:41,560 twice a year they'd have the, you know, the, what do you call 531 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,500 them? The layoffs, the Yeah, the cleaning of the house, the 532 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:45,580 cleaning of the house. 533 00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:51,939 I got let go. It was week before Christmas. Yeah, that was, 534 00:34:51,939 --> 00:34:54,099 that's kind of what they did, yeah, well, that's what they do. 535 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,299 It all of them, because my last one was a week before Christmas. 536 00:34:58,299 --> 00:35:00,779 Well, tis the season. Yes. Is 537 00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:05,040 good luck with future endeavors. 538 00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:08,100 Yes, we wish them. Well, yeah, that's why I love to was the 539 00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:10,860 emails. You know, they always put out the email future 540 00:35:10,860 --> 00:35:15,060 endeavors. So and so has been let go. He's on to future 541 00:35:15,060 --> 00:35:18,660 endeavors. We wish him well. PS, if you see him around the 542 00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:20,720 building, please call the authorities. 543 00:35:23,060 --> 00:35:27,200 Well, in Dan's office was a picture from a Christmas party 544 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,220 with all of them together, Sullivan and, and, oh gosh, I 545 00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:35,120 could, if I thought hard enough, I might be able to remember all 546 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:41,320 their names. But and, and he had, he had put X's on all their 547 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,620 faces, until it was just him, and then he made it look like 548 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:48,460 one of those motivational posters, yes and teamwork. As 549 00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:52,960 long as we stick together, nothing will ever go wrong. Just 550 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,220 him is the only one. 551 00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:59,920 There was a picture of him like doing this. Yeah. 552 00:35:59,980 --> 00:36:01,980 I thought that was brilliant. 553 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,580 That's the thing. Is, like, you know what radio really thinks of 554 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:08,100 you? It just says it right there in those letters, we wish you 555 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,220 well in your future endeavors. If they're in the building 556 00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:13,860 again, call the cops. Yes, because we know you're nothing 557 00:36:13,860 --> 00:36:17,460 but fragile, emotional, little, puny humans. 558 00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:21,120 Well, I remember when I went to get my last check at W, L, A, C, 559 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,460 yeah. I went, I went down, and then they kept me in the in the 560 00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:29,720 lobby, in the lobby, and they had somebody watching me 561 00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:33,440 like I was toy, giving you the stink eye. Yeah, remember toy, 562 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,980 the little lady that worked in the front desk? Yes, you messed 563 00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:37,340 with her. 564 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,900 No, you did not. But they also sent somebody down to watch me 565 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,820 while they were going to bring my final I thought, What am I 566 00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:48,460 gonna do? I'm not gonna do anything. 567 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,800 So I was an anomaly. When I quit radio. I quit. I was starting my 568 00:36:53,800 --> 00:37:00,040 own little business, yeah, and and I was still doing my weekend 569 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,620 show there for another year or two, and so I was the only 570 00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:08,760 person I ever knew that didn't have somebody walk me out. I 571 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,480 didn't have security. I kept my key card and I just, I grabbed 572 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,180 my stuff and said, got to say goodbye to everybody and walk 573 00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:19,860 out and and my Yeah, people were like, I've never seen anybody 574 00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:23,780 get to leave that way. But since I wasn't doing anything else in 575 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,100 in the the media world, yeah, they were just like, and I was 576 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:30,980 still there on Sundays, doing my Music Row show. So they're like, 577 00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:34,640 All right, that's me too. I guess I'm an anomaly as well. 578 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,940 Look at us unicorn. 17 years in the business, I never got fired. 579 00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:39,500 Wow. 580 00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:43,300 Well, you know, when I was what was interesting about WAC was, 581 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,060 after Phil had left, I did a talk show, and then they moved 582 00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:53,020 me to the morning to a morning show, and they seemed real happy 583 00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:55,420 with the morning show, but, but right after we started the 584 00:37:55,420 --> 00:38:02,220 morning show, I get called in, And I'm told that in June May or 585 00:38:02,220 --> 00:38:07,620 June, that I'll lose my job. Oh, but they said, but if you can 586 00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:12,240 hang in till then, you know, we'd appreciate it, no problem. 587 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:18,120 So I knew for months that my ending was coming in June, May 588 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,500 or June, I can't remember what month, but it was hilarious, 589 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:24,500 because every time I'd walk in, you know, like you said, there 590 00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:27,800 was, like, a million people in the in the newsroom, yeah, and 591 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,140 it'd be early in the morning, and I'd come in and go, dead man 592 00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:37,100 walking. But I knew, I knew it was coming, and so that was very 593 00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:37,640 interesting. 594 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,560 Well, radio what it's a fun world. It really is. I'm glad I 595 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,100 did it. I was, it was all completely accidental. I would 596 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:51,400 have never planned it, yeah, but it, it led me down a lot of 597 00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:54,580 directions that, you know, I would not be out there as an 598 00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:59,440 independent artist had I not gotten that, that sales gig, 599 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:03,660 yeah, and been in the office that day and and it's just all 600 00:39:03,780 --> 00:39:07,620 all the pieces just kind of come together, you don't? I tell my 601 00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:12,000 kids, you know, whenever something is happening that you 602 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,840 think is probably the worst thing ever. Yes, just relax. 603 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,660 Because when I look at all the good things in my life, there 604 00:39:20,660 --> 00:39:25,760 was always something really bad that happened that that led me 605 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,360 down another path that's very true. So, you know, don't you 606 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,480 know if I'm if I'm stuck in a traffic jam and I'm late to an 607 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,680 appointment, I just I nowadays I just go, Well, Lord, whatever 608 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,320 you just kept me from. Thank you. Yeah, you know 609 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,740 I'm appreciative. 610 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,800 Yeah, I mean, that's, see, I think too many people look at 611 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,500 life, you know, life's supposed to be easy, it's supposed to be 612 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:53,380 a party. No, life is tough. Life is hard, but like you said, it's 613 00:39:53,380 --> 00:39:57,640 not fair. No, it's not fair. It's tough. But like you said, 614 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,320 you know, from bad times. Times, good things will come. 615 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,620 Good things will happen. Yes, if, unless you look at 616 00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:08,340 everything as, Look what just happened to me, right? Look, 617 00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:11,160 Look what just happened to me. Now it's just okay. What? What 618 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,920 does that mean? What's out there, right? But what do they 619 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,220 say? They say we don't we didn't do this because it was easy. We 620 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,840 did it because we thought it would be easy, exactly. And then 621 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,380 here we are. 622 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,120 Yeah, right. Life will keep 623 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,420 you down and keep you there. If you let it, nothing will hit as 624 00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:31,100 hard as life. It's not how hard you can hit. It's about how hard 625 00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:33,860 you can get hit and keep moving forward. 626 00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:37,160 Rocky Balboa outside the restaurant. I thought I came up 627 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,720 with talking to his son. That's a great that's a great scene, 628 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:40,900 and 629 00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:44,920 it's so true. It is true. And in fact, I'm thankful to because 630 00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:50,020 when I got started in radio, I started working for my father, 631 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,920 and people think when you say that, Oh, well, you know you got 632 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,960 it. You know, it was easy, yeah, not with him. I mean, you would 633 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,600 think the guy didn't believe in me, because he Well, he was, he 634 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,440 stuck me at, you know, my first gig was nine at night till six 635 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,500 in the morning, playing country music. There you go. And I 636 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:17,220 almost got the impression that all through my time working with 637 00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:20,540 him, it was just constant, knocking me down to see if I'd 638 00:41:20,540 --> 00:41:23,540 get back up, yeah, yeah. Let's make it as hard for him as 639 00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:26,420 possible, and if he can take it, you know, then 640 00:41:26,420 --> 00:41:28,640 he was, he was being a dad, yeah. He was, 641 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:34,040 yeah, yeah. I think we are. And by the way, your your podcast on 642 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,340 your dad's was super interesting. Oh yeah, I really 643 00:41:37,340 --> 00:41:42,880 enjoyed that one. But, you know, I think we are harder on our 644 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:50,140 sons, probably because we see ourselves and want to help them 645 00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:56,080 not do the stupid things we did right, forgetting that our dads 646 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,860 saw the same thing and how we responded to them, trying to 647 00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:03,000 tell us what to do, yeah? So, you know, it's just this vicious 648 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,920 circle, but I think we're inclined to be probably harder 649 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,480 on our sons than our daughters. 650 00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:11,220 Yeah, I think you're right, yeah. 651 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,300 I think I call that cosmic humor. You know, it's supposed 652 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:17,400 to be that way. Yeah, that's supposed to be tension. 653 00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:21,200 Yeah, there is so back to you. Oh, and your career. More about 654 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,360 me, let's talk about enough about me. Let's talk. 655 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,720 But you've got a new project you've got coming out. It's a 656 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:27,680 live album 657 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,540 I do, and it's, again, a complete accident. You know, I 658 00:42:32,540 --> 00:42:36,020 am the Forrest Gump of indie music, because I just kind of 659 00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:42,460 end up somewhere and something good happens, yeah. But I this 660 00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:46,060 last Thanksgiving weekend, I was clearing out my Dropbox account. 661 00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:48,520 You know, I got all these folders and figuring out what I 662 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,640 wanted to get rid of, and I found a file that says, Scott 663 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,720 live. And I go, I don't even know what that is, and I look 664 00:42:56,380 --> 00:43:00,220 and it's from a show, a sold out show I played in East Tennessee 665 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,900 in 2022 Yeah, the sound engineer that ran sound that night 666 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:13,380 recorded every microphone and amp separately and had done a 667 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,540 mix where and you could hear the audience, their their their 668 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,560 engagement and their, you know, hooting and hollering and 669 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,600 talking back to me and stuff and and he sent it to me in two 670 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,820 files. It was two and a half hours of of a live show. I'd 671 00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:35,960 never listened to it. I'd never even i I'm sure when he came I 672 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,060 must. I don't know what I was doing, but I was like, well, 673 00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:42,820 I'll check that out later. And I never did, but I was like, holy 674 00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:46,840 cow, I got a, I got a live album here, because I'd been wanting 675 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,400 to do that right now as AI is becoming more and more prevalent 676 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,000 in music. Yes, everything is getting much more polished and 677 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,260 and perfect. And I said, Man, I really want to record something 678 00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:04,560 that's raw. Yeah, and thank you. I've been talking to different 679 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,520 producers, and it's gonna cost more to do that than it would to 680 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,280 produce a studio album just because of the degree of 681 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,040 difficulty. Wow, as they're saying this and this, it's, 682 00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:17,580 geez, I don't want to spend more money. I'm trying to spend less 683 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:26,180 and but so to have this drop in my lap, I'm like, holy cow. So I 684 00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:30,920 sent it to my mastering person. She mastered the songs and, and 685 00:44:31,460 --> 00:44:39,620 I'm, I'm in it probably 15% of what I would normally pay for a 686 00:44:39,620 --> 00:44:45,880 full CD Project. Wow. And, and it's fun, man. I mean, it's, you 687 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,000 hear the audience coming back and forth with me, and, and the 688 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,440 BAM was sounding great. And it's, but there's no my guitars. 689 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,660 Was like, are we going to punch in? Are we going to add, are we 690 00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:59,620 going to fix? I go, nope, nope. This is us, baby. Make it real. 691 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,400 This. Is what we sound like when, when you come to catch one 692 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,060 of our shows, yeah, and, and so I'm pretty excited that's going 693 00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:08,400 to come out April 10, and, and 694 00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:12,300 that's going to be fun. Well, you sent me a couple of cuts, 695 00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:13,320 and, man, they're good. 696 00:45:13,379 --> 00:45:19,139 I mean, for just and I think had I known I was doing a live 697 00:45:19,139 --> 00:45:22,219 album, I would have been all stressed out, and I would have 698 00:45:22,219 --> 00:45:25,219 been making a lot more mistakes. Yeah, I had no idea he was 699 00:45:25,219 --> 00:45:28,699 recording it. That's even better. Yeah. So it's and I 700 00:45:28,699 --> 00:45:31,339 talked to the guy, told him that I was going to do this, and he 701 00:45:31,339 --> 00:45:34,459 goes, he goes, Oh man, the last time you were here, that last 702 00:45:34,459 --> 00:45:37,759 Friday show was killer. Like, oh, cool. And he goes, I have 703 00:45:37,759 --> 00:45:42,639 all of them. Wow. So there may be a whole series of live albums 704 00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:45,999 coming out from me. I'll just keep sending them to you. He was 705 00:45:45,999 --> 00:45:48,699 really happy that I'm doing this. I got to buy a mistake 706 00:45:48,699 --> 00:45:51,519 dinner or something next time I see him. Yeah, no, yeah, 707 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,400 because they do sound good, man. The catch you sent me, yeah, 708 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,940 they were really good. Thank you very. Quality is good, yeah? 709 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,320 And the band was, was in a great mood that night. We were just 710 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,880 loose, yeah, you know, and when you're in a room, so that night 711 00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:12,120 was 2022 when the guy introduced me, he said, You know, last time 712 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,840 Scott came in here, he sold out in like five minutes. It was 713 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,020 like the quickest sellout we'd ever had, yeah, but the last 714 00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:24,200 time I'd come in was in 2021 right after covid. Yeah, and, 715 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:27,920 and I told him, I said, you could have booked a charcoal 716 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,180 briquette and it would have sold out in five minutes. And the guy 717 00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:35,840 didn't miss a beat. He said, I tried for the briquette, but he 718 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:41,140 was already booked. But yeah, man, it's a great little room 719 00:46:41,140 --> 00:46:44,860 called the station in Lewisville, Tennessee. It's, 720 00:46:44,860 --> 00:46:47,860 it's, it's about the size of the bluebird cafe. It sits about 100 721 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,360 people. Oh, neat. But man, they are all there to listen, yeah, 722 00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:56,860 and to be part of the show. And it's just, it's a hoot. It's a, 723 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,160 I don't think I sent you, I didn't send you the parody song 724 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,820 today. No, I don't think so. All right, I'll send you that. 725 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,160 Please do later. Play it. I don't think you want to play 726 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,840 this. And it's not on the it's not on the album. It's, it's a, 727 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,240 it's a deep cut that will never see the light of day, 728 00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:23,540 except all that stuff sees the light of day, and I should 729 00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:24,080 probably 730 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,940 deny it now as a an entertainer, yeah, one thing that drives me 731 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,100 crazy, especially if you go into a small town and you're in a 732 00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:38,300 club, it drives me nuts when I'm trying to watch The person 733 00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:43,900 singing. I hate the talkers. When I look at I look at an 734 00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:46,780 entertainer, kind of like a preacher. You're not going to 735 00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:50,680 sit and and talk all through the guy's sermon. That drives me 736 00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:53,920 nuts. Does it drive you? I mean, especially if you can hear them 737 00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:55,000 on stage. 738 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,840 Well, it does sometimes, but 739 00:48:00,220 --> 00:48:03,060 I'll tell you, the time that really drove me crazy was when I 740 00:48:03,060 --> 00:48:06,120 saw Merle Haggard's last show with the Ryman. Yeah, and there 741 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,360 was a couple of knuckleheads behind me talking at the top of 742 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:15,540 their lungs. And I'm like, I you really paid money to Yeah, talk 743 00:48:15,540 --> 00:48:18,960 through Merle, through Merle Haggard. But I was at the 744 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,480 listening room once, and there was some, some well known hit 745 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,480 writers, and they were trying to play, and it was a loud room, 746 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,900 yeah. And they started getting mad, and they're like, 747 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,500 chastising the audience, telling them to be quiet. And and then 748 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,880 Kathy Mattea got up after that, and it got quieter, yeah. And 749 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:44,620 then after that, this little old lady, I mean white, tightly, 750 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:52,960 tightly shorn, tight haired and maybe four foot nine, comes up 751 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,160 on stage all by herself. The guitar looks like it's as big as 752 00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:08,520 her, and she starts. I learned the truth at 17 that love was 753 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,200 just oh, it was Janice Ian, wow. You could have heard a pin drop 754 00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:18,000 in that room. And that's when I realized it's not for the 755 00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:22,880 audience to shut up. It's for me to give them a reason to shut 756 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,800 up, and so that so, so when, when I when that does happen to 757 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,360 me? Yeah, my, my challenge is to engage them. So I do a lot more 758 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,200 sing alongs and get them to where they're they're having to 759 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,680 yell out and sing out, and that hopefully gets them a little 760 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,600 more engaged. Now, Merle Haggard shouldn't have to do that. Those 761 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,660 knuckleheads should have just shut the Shut the heck up. But, 762 00:49:46,660 --> 00:49:50,260 but when you're playing in a bar, in a little room, it it's 763 00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:55,180 up to me to give them something to shut up for, yeah, and if I 764 00:49:55,180 --> 00:49:59,260 don't do that, then, you know, it's on you. It's on me. Yeah, 765 00:49:59,260 --> 00:50:03,660 it's on me. But I, you know, I did tell you a story. I did have 766 00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:07,080 to tell one of my friends to hush up in a very unpolite way 767 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:12,780 just the other day. But again, that I probably shouldn't even 768 00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:15,600 play in that room. It wasn't a good room for what I do. Yeah? 769 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,480 So you live and learn. Yeah. You know, true. My My daughter is 770 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,520 just starting out as as an indie artist, and she sent me a video 771 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,780 of her. She has her little solo acoustic amp, and she's playing 772 00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:35,300 at a bar, at a bar in Knoxville, downtown Knoxville, on a Friday 773 00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:41,020 night with just solo acoustic and I felt so bad for because 774 00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:46,000 all you hear is everybody talking, yeah, she's singing as 775 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,900 loud as she can. And it's like, well, those are those. We all 776 00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:52,600 have those nights. Yes, we do. And it's what do you do with 777 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,560 that? Yeah, do you curl up in a ball or do you? Do you find 778 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:57,520 another way to do it. 779 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,960 So find another way to do it. That's what you got to do, yeah, 780 00:51:01,020 --> 00:51:02,580 it's all learning, as you know, 781 00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:06,060 yeah, it is so good for her. I'm I told her the other day. I 782 00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:09,000 said, those are the gigs you remember, and that you'll laugh 783 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,760 about down the road, and those, that's where you get your scars. 784 00:51:11,940 --> 00:51:16,080 Well, exactly. And how brave of it is it of people to get up and 785 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,660 sing? Yeah? I mean that that takes a lot of guts, yeah, a lot 786 00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:25,280 of determination. And like you say, it's all learning as far as 787 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,140 how to get a crowd engaged. 788 00:51:27,140 --> 00:51:32,600 And, yeah, yeah, you just got to figure it out or or don't. And 789 00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:38,060 who is it? Aaron, the guy that used to be in stained Aaron, oh, 790 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,960 oh gosh, that guy, yeah, that yeah, that 791 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,100 Aaron guy, that Aaron guy, yeah, he gets so mad, he'll sit he'll 792 00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:51,160 just start yelling and cussing at the audience just to shut up. 793 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,060 Oh yeah, and, or, I saw Mellencamp do that recently, 794 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,860 really, yeah, starts yelling at people. It's like, you know, 795 00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:04,620 their attention, your attitude towards it's kind of refreshing. 796 00:52:04,620 --> 00:52:08,100 It's, I call it the concept, be them centric, like, you know, 797 00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:11,580 it's about your audience. Make it about your audience, even 798 00:52:11,580 --> 00:52:13,920 whether social media, whether it's a radio show, it's always 799 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,380 about your audience. And by proxy, it becomes more about 800 00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:19,320 you. But it's still, from your point of view, has to be them 801 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,500 centric. That's what feeds you back. That's, it's an 802 00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:23,840 interesting way to put it, because, I mean, when we had the 803 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,440 E spaces thing, and Neil and Kayla went up and sang, that's 804 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,140 what was happening. There's people chattering, yeah, not 805 00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:32,480 giving full attention. I mean, here you got some, you know, 806 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,560 Smash Hit Songwriters, and you know, Neil's voice is you can 807 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,040 sing like a bird, and it's like they're just chatting. And it 808 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,520 was very frustrating from an audience because you're trying 809 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,160 to listen, right? Yes, you know, but at the same time, like, 810 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,660 well, you know, you got a point, yeah? I mean, yeah, yeah. I like 811 00:52:49,660 --> 00:52:51,040 the accountability aspect of 812 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,720 that well. And even in the like, when I saw Tom Petty, you know, 813 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:59,200 first, I was a little annoyed, but, you know, the crowd was 814 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,400 singing with all of his songs, sure. Old crowd, sure. And I 815 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,520 thought, Well, I came here to hear Tom, yeah, but then I got, 816 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,220 kind of got into it, because I thought, you know, this is cool. 817 00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:11,580 It's a shared experience. So I started singing, yeah. So it's 818 00:53:11,580 --> 00:53:13,920 like, yeah, this is there's nothing wrong with this. 819 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,600 No Man, No and, and I like, what you just said, Be What did you 820 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,040 say? Be them centric. Be them centric. So when we started the 821 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,180 Music Row show, haino And I said, our motto has to always be 822 00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:30,620 little us, big them, yes, little and I'm that way on stage, too. 823 00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:33,200 Little, little me, big you. I want to, you know, I want to 824 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,200 bring you into the into the show. And I think that's that's 825 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,980 important, yeah, because I know me, I'm not that interesting. 826 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,300 I'm pretty boring, so I'd much rather make it about them. 827 00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:46,060 Well, you're in good company here because we're boring 828 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,740 or nerd, but you do it well, thank you. Yeah, we're real good 829 00:53:53,740 --> 00:53:55,000 at that. Aaron Lewis, 830 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,740 Aaron Lewis, there you go. I'm on the outside. Great. And his 831 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,900 country stuff is killer. It really, really is but, but, man, 832 00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:06,720 you just can't, you can't cuss out an audience because, you 833 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,240 know, you're no longer to be 834 00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:13,620 quiet well. And two they paid to get in. Yeah. So yeah, I saw 835 00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:18,240 Justin towns Earl me rest in peace. And I thought he was a 836 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:23,420 really talented kid. I really liked him, but I saw a video of 837 00:54:23,420 --> 00:54:27,740 him on stage. He was talking, and this guy was yelling at him 838 00:54:27,740 --> 00:54:33,260 to, you know, saying, yeah, and, man, he tells him f off. And I 839 00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:36,920 thought, man, no, you don't know. Yeah. You don't tell the 840 00:54:36,980 --> 00:54:38,000 audience to go, 841 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,700 yeah. I mean, you know, no, 842 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,680 yeah, we, we played one night in San Diego, just in my, my, my 843 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,120 cover country band that I, that I came across years ago, and 844 00:54:52,540 --> 00:54:55,540 there was nobody in this bar all night long. It was the first 845 00:54:55,540 --> 00:54:57,880 time we'd ever played in this bar. Nobody knew who we were, 846 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:02,760 and it was like three guys. At the bar. Had just talked through 847 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,480 our entire thing, four hours, yeah, soul crushing. And 848 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,940 finally, near the end, I said, Guys, what do you want to hear? 849 00:55:09,780 --> 00:55:14,700 Play an Elvis song. Okay, so we did suspicious minds, and we 850 00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:18,540 finish. And I said, Ah. And he goes, not that one. 851 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,440 There you go. Oh, there you go. 852 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:31,820 Now I you know my buddy, Phil Valentine, who I will love till 853 00:55:31,820 --> 00:55:36,260 the day I die. But you had a great story about seeing him 854 00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:40,040 overseas of all places. Yeah. Tell that story, 855 00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:41,620 yeah. And I think it was 856 00:55:42,940 --> 00:55:48,700 that one of the tours I did that was coinciding with Harry and 857 00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:52,480 Megan's wedding. I think go around that time I think he did, 858 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:54,040 was that the one, okay? So he's 859 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,460 always taking those solo trips to Europe, yeah, where you just 860 00:55:57,460 --> 00:55:58,120 have a ball, 861 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,720 which I didn't know. I didn't know he used to do that. Oh, 862 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:05,400 yeah. So, so I'm, you know, you get off the plane and you got to 863 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,700 go through customs. And I, you know, that's one thing that 864 00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:11,040 surprised me, is how long it takes to get through customs, 865 00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:15,420 yeah, when I started touring over there. But so I'm in line 866 00:56:15,420 --> 00:56:19,860 and and, you know, it's like a Disneyland line right, snakes 867 00:56:19,860 --> 00:56:24,320 around and around, and coming towards me is Phil and and I 868 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,640 said, Excuse me, are you Phil? And he goes, yes, 869 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:31,880 yes. And 870 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,760 I said, Oh man, hey, I'm Scott. I live in Nashville. I've been 871 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,420 to a couple of functions with Johnny and Dan item, and I just 872 00:56:40,420 --> 00:56:43,480 named off some of the some of our mutual radio friends, yeah. 873 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,060 And he's like, Oh, great to meet Jim. We chatted for a minute, 874 00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:52,060 but the line's moving so it snakes back around, and we see 875 00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:58,720 each other again, hey. And then it goes again and again. And 876 00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:01,200 near the end, I said, I probably should have said high around 877 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,220 now, would have made this whole thing a lot less awkward. 878 00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:07,860 Because, you know, we don't know each other. What are you going 879 00:57:07,860 --> 00:57:08,880 to keep talking about? 880 00:57:09,779 --> 00:57:14,219 So how is, how is the walk going to the end of that? Getting a 881 00:57:14,219 --> 00:57:17,999 little bit of a crap in my right ankle. Yeah, you good. Can I get 882 00:57:19,019 --> 00:57:21,319 you anything a little bit closer? 883 00:57:22,340 --> 00:57:27,260 So yeah, that was Yeah. But what a what a loss for this area and 884 00:57:27,380 --> 00:57:31,220 but, but, I mean, so many people still have so many great 885 00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:35,540 stories, and yes, and great memories of him, and so that's, 886 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,800 that's, that's good stuff. But I'm, I'm happy I had that little 887 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,060 moment with them. And I've had a few of those. I had one with 888 00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:46,840 John Prine, where we were, I was in the B section, he was in the 889 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,920 A section, and but we were at the same number, wow. And I 890 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,000 said, you're John, I'm Scott with the Music Row show. And he 891 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,960 said, on, on, W, L, A, C. He goes, I listen to that. That's a 892 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,920 great show, wow. And I said, Well, I'd love to have you on. 893 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,980 And he goes, No, thank you No, because we had started filming 894 00:58:07,980 --> 00:58:11,100 him. And he goes, now, ever since my stuff, he goes, I 895 00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:14,160 really don't want to be televised or filmed. And I said, 896 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,240 Okay, I can respect, yeah, but, but we chatted for a while, and 897 00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:21,020 I just love those little moments. Dolly Parton held my 898 00:58:21,020 --> 00:58:25,640 hand. Well, there you go. We did a couple of interviews, and then 899 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,420 after that, we started getting invited to her junkets. And I'd 900 00:58:29,420 --> 00:58:32,600 gone into one where I just had shoulder surgery, and so I was 901 00:58:32,660 --> 00:58:35,780 had one of those things on, yeah. She's like, Well, honey, 902 00:58:35,780 --> 00:58:38,960 what happened to you? And I said, Oh, I was in the living 903 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,260 room dancing to backwoods Barbie, and you're a liar. And 904 00:58:44,260 --> 00:58:47,200 so she held my hand for the rest of the interview, my other hand, 905 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:52,000 not, not that one. She held my hand. And so I can say, you 906 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,520 know, I've held Dolly Parton's hand. Well, I 907 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,220 hate to say but, you know, at the start of the show, I was 908 00:58:57,220 --> 00:59:02,160 saying that I didn't know Jay was in, you know, sunnier climb. 909 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,060 And now this guy's held Dolly's hand. That's crazy. You know, I 910 00:59:06,060 --> 00:59:08,520 loved, you know, I love Scott, 911 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,240 but you're feeling, you're feeling some anger, some damn 912 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,960 jealousy, right here. Well, you know what, if you had that 913 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,040 infinity gone, 914 00:59:18,420 --> 00:59:20,160 get rid of me right now. 915 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,140 No, I wouldn't want that man. And, plus, if now you know we 916 00:59:24,140 --> 00:59:28,640 were talking about Scott playing over in Europe and, and he does 917 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,480 play here, I do, yeah, you've got a lot of dates coming up. 918 00:59:32,540 --> 00:59:37,460 Yeah, I don't know Nashville this is going to air. But yeah, 919 00:59:37,580 --> 00:59:39,440 you've got several coming up in March. 920 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,180 And, yeah, go to go to the music, not the music bro show, 921 00:59:43,180 --> 00:59:44,200 go to Scott southworth.com 922 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:46,900 so it's Scott southworth.com 923 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:53,980 Facebook is facebook slash Scott Southworth music. Instagram is 924 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:59,680 say howdy Scott X is say howdy Scott and Tinder is John Bozeman 925 00:59:59,740 --> 01:00:07,680 and. Too, yeah, frackle, yeah, yeah, crackle. That sounds 926 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,220 interesting. It sounds illegal. Yeah, okay, and then Scott's 927 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:17,160 only fans site. Yeah, that's no, it's only fan and my mom's the 928 01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,120 only one on there. 929 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,920 Yeah, did not see you going that way. 930 01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:26,300 And if you go to Scott's website, you can meet the band. 931 01:00:26,540 --> 01:00:27,740 Nice Scott. 932 01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:34,880 But the new album coming out April 10 is called Scott 933 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,880 Southworth and the honky tonk anonymous band. Because, yeah, 934 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,380 first time I've recorded something with my band. I like 935 01:00:41,380 --> 01:00:43,960 that name too. By the way. Good name for band. Well, it's 936 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,440 because members are always changing. So yes, they're there. 937 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,920 You never know who's going to be there. Yeah, that's most bands, 938 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:56,020 yeah. But how great is it that we live in Nashville and your 939 01:00:56,020 --> 01:01:01,920 subs are killer? Yeah, right. So we're very blessed. We're very 940 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:02,760 blessed to be here. 941 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,820 Yes, we need a drummer. Let me know. Yeah, I hear this, I hear 942 01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:06,420 this. Or if you 943 01:01:06,420 --> 01:01:09,900 need a rhythm guitar player, you know guys sing 944 01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:14,040 harmony with you. I can do good harmony. Have 945 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,100 you good what instruments are in the band? 946 01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:27,920 Typically, for most shows, it's stand up, bass, pedal steel, 947 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,720 electric guitar and me, because the style of country I do really 948 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,440 lends itself to those days before they had drummers, right? 949 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,140 That said when I'm playing the honky tonk Tuesday at Eastside 950 01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:45,520 bowl or an outdoor festival or something like that. Absolutely, 951 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:50,980 I bring in drums for to have that to fill up that larger open 952 01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:55,120 space, and I just added fiddle to piano or anything. Nope, 953 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:59,200 nope, nope. And but what's interesting to me is my bass 954 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,060 player, my pedal steel player and my fiddle player are all 955 01:02:03,060 --> 01:02:08,520 female, so it's Wow, it's it adds a different dimension, both 956 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:16,560 visually. And my daughter just recorded her first EP, and I 957 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,880 produced it, and we put she wanted mostly female musicians, 958 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,140 so I took a lot of my band and and then we got a couple others, 959 01:02:24,140 --> 01:02:27,500 but it was a whole different feel in the studio too. And they 960 01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:31,160 said, This is the gentlest session I've ever been in, but 961 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,760 it was still rocking, yeah, but there's just a different feel. 962 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,720 And it's a different feel on stage too, yeah. And, and their, 963 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,560 their approach to the instruments is, just a ton of 964 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,000 fun. So, yeah, well, 965 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:47,620 I see I've always been a big fan of girl bands. Anyway, yeah, I 966 01:02:47,620 --> 01:02:49,060 always have been. I just 967 01:02:49,060 --> 01:02:52,360 like those Robert Palmer videos, remember? Yeah, the girls, the 968 01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,520 girls in the back, yeah, barely, 969 01:02:54,700 --> 01:02:57,040 they didn't even show any emotion, yes. 970 01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:01,020 What? What about the like the Iron Maidens? You like them, 971 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,140 the Iron Maidens. I don't. I've never, I've not heard of them. I 972 01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:05,100 have not all 973 01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:09,240 female Iron Maiden tribute band. Oh, wow, amazing. 974 01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:11,880 There's a great female band here in Nashville called the Dead 975 01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:16,860 deads. They are very good. You need to check them out. Yeah, we 976 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,660 can get them on the show sometimes. Let's do it, Scott. I 977 01:03:20,660 --> 01:03:24,200 appreciate you coming on and hanging out with us today, and 978 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,280 gotta have you back, especially with Jay. You know, get Jay in 979 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:28,580 here. 980 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,360 Yeah, yeah. We could talk about all sorts. I'm I have an idea 981 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,060 for a book that I'm working on called Go windy without going 982 01:03:35,060 --> 01:03:38,120 broke, because I like that. The thing that kills me about this 983 01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,640 town is how many people will take money for very little 984 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,600 result, yes, and a lot of money, and really prey on those dreams. 985 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,800 So I being the cheap, you know what? That I've always been, 986 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,240 I've always found ways to do things that don't break the bank 987 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,300 or affect my family's budget. So that could be a whole nother 988 01:03:58,300 --> 01:03:58,720 show. 989 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,100 And it's, I'm telling you, man, your your records are class. I 990 01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:05,820 mean, that's, I mean, the the musicianship, the singing, 991 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,840 everything is just, it's superstar level. Thank you very 992 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,080 really nice of you. So keep up the good work. I will. I will 993 01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:14,340 stay a fan. I promise. 994 01:04:14,340 --> 01:04:16,680 I will continue to put the me in mediocre. 995 01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:22,940 You've been watching this podcast. But anyway, we will be 996 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,540 back with another episode like us. Subscribe. Check out 997 01:04:26,540 --> 01:04:31,280 circling the drain.net. Get yourself a t shirt or cap. Ooh, 998 01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,360 one of those. And visit Scott's site as well. And we'll be back 999 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,640 with more of circling the drain. Be here with us.