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Hello everyone and welcome to another
fantastic episode of Bikinis After Babies.

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I am one of your hosts Mandy Rashaun here
from Kansas City where it is rainy and

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gloomy and cozy with, I know, right?

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I felt like coming into it with the
weather just because it has been really

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hot here in Kansas City and I'm not
complaining the.

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to tell us what's happening on the roads
today.

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work is terrible, you know, from the
bedroom to my office.

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I actually commute to the gym though.

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So like I do that Monday through Friday
and I have to deal with that.

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But thank you for joining us everybody.

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We have a really good, yeah, we have a
great episode.

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Of course I'm Mandi Rashawn here with the
beautiful blonde Gillian

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Hello everybody, if you're watching from
home.

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Maybe you can be the judge of that, but
thank you for listening in and we are so

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happy to be back.

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We hope that you loved our prior episode
with Angelica.

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I can't lie.

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I am still just like on cloud nine from
having, my God.

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Like I listened to it like, and I don't
listen to every episode of hours back.

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Like some of them I do.

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but that one I listened to like twice
afterwards and it was just the things that

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she.

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shared like about her journey and
everything it was like and the timing of

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it because we interviewed her like three
days before we competed.

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Mm -hmm.

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Yeah, so it was just majestical.

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It really was and I have really not come
down from cloud nine really since then.

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So yeah.

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went really, really fast after it because
on the editing side of it.

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I was like a nervous wreck and I don't
even I don't think I even told you about

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that but it's just being on the studio
side of it and having to edit and having

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to like re -listen to everything over and
over making sure everything gets brought

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over to all the platforms correctly I was
just like you would have thought it was

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like my very first time ever doing it
because I was so nervous I was like

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nothing can happen to this like this is

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Yeah, totally.

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Yeah.

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I'm like, we're not going to get this
opportunity again.

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Like she won't like do it over.

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So like I was afraid that like, you know,
something technical would happen, but it

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didn't.

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It was, it was awesome.

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So yeah.

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So I'm excited.

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She really is.

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She's amazing.

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So yeah.

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Well, how are you doing, girly?

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What's new in your world?

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Other than the weather.

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What is new?

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I just got done expediting a show a
natural show out in Iowa Des Moines, Iowa.

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It was great Very easy commute.

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It's only about two and a half hours away
from Kansas City And it was the last

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spring show of the season and then we kind
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st.

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Charles So it was good though, you know,
it was it was like, you know, we get a

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break in the season It's not over
obviously, but like you have the spring

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like goes nuts, right?

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I'm competing traveling our athletes are

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and then now it's like a little summer
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relaxing i'll say that so it's peaceful
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well, you know, just

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Yeah, just navigating the time between
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eternity and not for the reason that you
would think.

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Like, I'm not like, I'm dying.

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Like, I want to eat.

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I'm tired.

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It's just a long time to kind of wait,
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small baby things.

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And, you know, like normally I'm like, I
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more shredded.

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And of course, you can always come in a
little bit more conditioned.

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know that I never get the comment that I'm
too conditioned.

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It was just that your conditioning is just
right, which I'm like, okay.

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Like it's great, but like you know just
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like time is going so slow.

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As busy as we are, it's still just like,
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Like it really just feels like time's
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So it's good, you know?

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I'm just trying to just stay in the right
mind frame and and yeah.

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tick the boxes before I leave.

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thank you.

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as -

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for as in my world, everything's slowing
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competing for this season.

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So I'm transitioning into my off season
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now, almost in every way.

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I'm still driving my kid around, but it's
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It's so small and it's so short lived.

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Whereas you're driving all your kids
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the thick of it, having, you know, like
you're like the polar opposite of me.

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now so I just have to commend you because
every time we talk on you know all our

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different platforms you have your shit
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Yeah, it's just, you know, I think it's
not new.

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So it isn't like, like overly challenging.

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And I really got myself in a really good
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I think it would be different if I didn't
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nervous.

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Like I've been in prior, perhaps I've been
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around, but this year has been totally
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And of course, I'm used to, you know,
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kids, but my son did get a car yesterday,
so I'll have one.

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And he's busy because he's a varsity
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team as well.

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So he's, I'm running him all over the
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around.

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But it's not new, like I actually just had
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because I've got like, can Chloe come for
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Can Ellie come and do this?

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Brooklyn is here and I'm like, I can't
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Like I have to, people like, I don't think
people forget that I work, but like you

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know.

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I'm kind of working all the time like I
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which isn't ideal I was so tired, but I
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to do it You got to do it no matter when
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It's important and so I was proud of
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it was like the last thing I wanted to do
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and you're stiff and tired you want to go
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posing in my basement So it's it's fine.

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I'm just keeping busy is my secret to
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think about food.

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I just don't.

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And I can't, like, I can't procrastinate
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I can't, because there's no time to make
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If I don't do it when I'm supposed to do
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So I just gotta get it done.

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Can't think about it.

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So, so yeah, that's it.

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Yeah, so well, and sort of in the spirit
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we are going to talk about slaying your
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And maybe you'd like to share some updates
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what your thoughts and plans are.

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Because I've had a little time for the
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As for now, what are we like two weeks
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It's two weeks, just under two weeks.

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And I've been just enjoying.

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weekend.

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the food porn that you've been sending me
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you know, just like dates and stuff.

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So why don't you share how that's been
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it's been good.

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After I competed in Omaha, like I knew I
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I knew because, you know, like I've shared
previously, my back flared up for those

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new listeners.

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I had a herniated disc back in 2022.

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Was able to heal it with a lot of other,
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of stuff, exercise, mobility exercise.

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really great, you know, prep, a really
long prep.

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I started my prep in September.

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and you know I used all of 2023 to
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travel and spend time with family so going
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into Omaha I knew I was like okay my
body's worn out I'm noticing things it's

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harder for me to like lose weight

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I was very stagnant, very sore, I was in a
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an off season, so I communicated that with
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So I wanted to let her know that this is
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on board.

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Like there was no argument.

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So going into that, you know, post show,
going into reverse, it's been fantastic.

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I have...

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navigated it better than I ever have.

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I feel like after every single show, I get
better at it.

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I feel like it's never, it will never be
perfect.

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But knowing that we were going to talk
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went down like a little, not rabbit hole,
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show?

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my gosh.

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Okay, so I'll put, I'll put a pin in that.

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got us to put up, let's put a pin in it
and we're going to come back to that.

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Circle on back.

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If we can frickin remember, because I can,
you'll remember you have to be the brain

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now.

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You have to be the brain.

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Remember we talked about that.

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Like if we're both prepping at the same
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could be.

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But now you have brain power.

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So, okay, you could be my brain.

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I have my, my brain has the extra calories
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us, okay?

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So, I'm here for you, I got you.

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So, but no, knowing that I was gonna go
into it, I kind of already had a plan.

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I already, I knew what a reverse diet was
kind of supposed to look like and how it

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was supposed to kind of happen, especially
as a coach doing it before.

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So, you know, after show, I have specific
rules and I really, I'd like to speak

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heavily about this, especially for new
competitors, season competitors.

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When you are walking on stage and you just
worked so hard, rather it be 16 weeks, two

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years, 18 weeks, 24 weeks, whatever it may
be, weight loss challenge that you, you

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know, transformation, stockpiling treats
in your room or, or bringing stuff with

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you.

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is a recipe for disaster no matter what
excuse you tell yourself.

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So knowing that this was my last show of
this season, I knew that after that I

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needed to have, you know, a lot of water,
a lot of electrolytes.

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I grabbed a few like treats that some
girls were handing out.

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I put them in my bag.

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I knew I wasn't gonna eat them, but I was
gonna be respectful and, you know, say,

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thank you.

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Like, I really appreciate it.

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Never do I have treats in my room.

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Going into like my first week into off
season, I started, I communicate with my

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coach, my dinner plans that my husband had
for me.

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But even then, I stayed true to myself.

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I didn't go out and splurge.

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I didn't go out and eat things that aren't
agreeable with me.

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I'm not gonna go out and eat nachos and
pizza and like a whole bunch of cookies

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and cakes and cupcakes.

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And you know, I'm not gonna eat food from
a gas station.

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I'm not gonna eat things just because I
can.

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It's...

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It's bad for you and it's not part of who
I am.

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So, you know, I...

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always know that because I feel like you
can only say that because you've had an

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experience where it didn't go well and

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Yes.

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On a podcast I listened to earlier this
week, they said like pretty much every

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competitor will screw up their first
reverse because you just don't know what

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to expect.

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You don't expect to struggle.

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You really have never had the experience
of doing something so intense and strict

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before.

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And, you know, there's a lot of emotions
and everything.

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So, so yeah, I think it's like that.

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This is a great like a tip sheet, but I
think that, you know, it does come from

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having f'd up.

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in the past, right?

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Yeah, because you can you can contribute
to this as well.

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The word the words reverse dieting never
was a thing up until like, I want to say

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like 17 18 ish like that time frame, like
2017 or 18.

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Because when you know, before then you
walked on stage, you were done and you

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celebrated and you ate like

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dog shit like -huh cakes cupcakes

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do have, you know, treats and stuff at
shows, but yeah, I mean, it was like, we,

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we had a big team at the time, guys and
girls back then in 2015, 16, and we had a

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table and it was covered everybody.

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It was like a potluck of just tons and
tons of food.

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And then somewhere along the line and
maybe newer experience, like less

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experienced competitors can kind of say,
you know, like that maybe they've always

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seen people talk about reverse dieting,
but I think it was the backlash of so.

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people rebounding and maybe like thinking
more about like the health of this sport?

246
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Yes.

247
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Yeah.

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like men and women, we all got so sick.

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It was terrible.

250
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So my first time, my first time I didn't
get sick.

251
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So my first show 2016, I did two shows.

252
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I did them relatively close together.

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First one was like in August and the next
one was like maybe like a month or two

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later.

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And I struggled just with that because
nobody...

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explained to you the fact that you
deprived yourself of food, of certain

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foods for, I think I did my first prep was
like 30 weeks or something like that.

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And then after that, it's like, let's
celebrate.

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Nobody mentally prepares you to not
celebrate.

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And in our culture, we're taught to
celebrate with food.

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And so,

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to what that should look like.

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Yeah.

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Mm -hmm.

265
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soon as I walked off stage, it was just no
holds bar.

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It was like, for one, I was on vacation
because I was in California, I was in LA.

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And so we just, I ate whatever I wanted.

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And it was a little bit of literally
everything.

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I didn't get sick, but I definitely gained
all, like I gained weight back.

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I didn't have, you know, I didn't feel
good.

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I stepped right back on stage a couple, I
think it was like a month or two later.

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I didn't place at all, like nothing.

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I was a hot mess.

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And then after that, I gained everything
back.

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Cause same thing, I had no parameters.

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I didn't know anything about food.

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I had no knowledge of like what this was
gonna do.

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I just ate because it tasted good and it
sounded good and it's what everybody did,

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right?

280
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Mm -hmm.

281
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talking as much about like we did call it
an off season.

282
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We don't now we call it like an
improvement season.

283
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But back then, yeah, yeah, bulky and like
an off season really like implies that

284
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you're off.

285
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Right.

286
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And now I think there's more of like sort
of an idea around like being an athlete

287
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all the time.

288
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And it's because we have so many amazing
resources now.

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We have, you know, podcasts and we have
all these things like back when I first

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started, you know, we didn't I didn't know
what to talk to except for like,

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at the gym and all they did was dirty bulk
in the winter and then, you know, shred

292
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down for a show and you did a show to lose
weight.

293
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Like, and that was like what we did.

294
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So now it's way different.

295
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There are so many resources, but people
still struggle now.

296
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So that's what I want to talk about today
too, because I think there's a lot of

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shame surrounding it.

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And because, you know, it is, it's like,
wow, man, back in the day, there was a lot

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of reasons why you would struggle.

300
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Like how come I'm struggling and I have
all these resources and I have a coach

301
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that gave me a plan and I have this laid
out reverse.

302
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How come I'm not false?

303
00:16:13,462 --> 00:16:16,102
How come I can't stay motivated now that
my show is done?

304
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And that is normal.

305
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Like that is completely normal.

306
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You cannot shame yourself about that
because everybody's going to struggle in

307
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some way and some people are going to
struggle more.

308
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And it might be because they got into
competing from a weight loss journey.

309
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It's been a long journey and now the
show's over and it's like, you know, you

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get like a little post show blues.

311
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If you just even take the food out of it,
it's like,

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you like had a baby and then you're like,
the baby is like here now.

313
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And like, you know, yeah, you're just kind
of like you've you've been so focused on

314
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this.

315
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And now it's like, OK, well, I think I
mean, I go in the gym, but I'm not like

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I'm not four days out.

317
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I'm not five weeks out.

318
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Like, you know, even if you have goals,
it's still really tough to stay motivated.

319
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And you know what?

320
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Some people get burnt out.

321
00:17:02,875 --> 00:17:04,155
That's all part of it, too.

322
00:17:04,155 --> 00:17:09,795
You know, so today I would just really
want to like help people understand that

323
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it's OK.

324
00:17:10,572 --> 00:17:15,392
And, you know, if this is your first
reverse and you're absolutely just it's

325
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not going well and it's sucking, it won't
be like this always.

326
00:17:19,412 --> 00:17:23,072
And you'll find ways you're going to learn
a lot about yourself, you know.

327
00:17:23,072 --> 00:17:27,752
But I think that it starts with having a
reverse, which we did not have back in the

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day.

329
00:17:28,082 --> 00:17:32,582
Like, I don't think I had a reverse diet
from any coach I worked with until like,

330
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you know, 2021.

331
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Like we just didn't.

332
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because I never had one.

333
00:17:39,476 --> 00:17:43,336
I feel like even in 2018 when I went back
to competing, it was more of a

334
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conversation of like, what are you going
to do?

335
00:17:45,336 --> 00:17:50,466
The conversation was there, but it wasn't
so adamant.

336
00:17:50,466 --> 00:17:51,844
Now it's like...

337
00:17:51,844 --> 00:17:55,824
you talk about it a couple weeks before
you even go on stage, a week before you go

338
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on stage, you talk about your plan, your
mindset, where do you kind of see

339
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yourself?

340
00:18:01,064 --> 00:18:04,384
You know, especially if you're like, if
you're going into peak week or even two

341
00:18:04,384 --> 00:18:07,244
weeks out, you're, you know, you're super
lean, you're super shredded.

342
00:18:07,244 --> 00:18:11,984
So you can kind of gear like, okay, am I,
am I competitive enough?

343
00:18:11,984 --> 00:18:13,204
Do I need to build more?

344
00:18:13,204 --> 00:18:15,064
And then like, you have that conversation.

345
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Whereas like back then, you never did
that.

346
00:18:17,864 --> 00:18:20,507
You, the, like the conversation wouldn't
exist.

347
00:18:20,507 --> 00:18:22,747
No, a hundred percent.

348
00:18:22,747 --> 00:18:25,195
And like I said too, like...

349
00:18:25,195 --> 00:18:28,655
I think a lot of people do come into this
from weight loss.

350
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They have some success.

351
00:18:30,145 --> 00:18:31,375
And I think, what if I compete?

352
00:18:31,375 --> 00:18:34,175
But a lot of people come into this for
eating disorders too.

353
00:18:34,175 --> 00:18:37,375
And you talk to people all the time, like,
I was a dancer.

354
00:18:37,375 --> 00:18:38,455
I was a cheerleader.

355
00:18:38,455 --> 00:18:41,055
I was a track athlete.

356
00:18:41,055 --> 00:18:42,615
I wanted abs.

357
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Some of that disordered eating and food
relationship stuff, you might have not

358
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thought about it in a long time.

359
00:18:48,705 --> 00:18:50,895
And now you're 42 years old and you're
competing.

360
00:18:50,895 --> 00:18:53,324
And all of a sudden, you're binging.

361
00:18:53,324 --> 00:18:57,304
post show and you're binging and you're
freaking out and then, bodybuilding ruined

362
00:18:57,304 --> 00:18:57,684
me.

363
00:18:57,684 --> 00:19:01,263
No, it's the it's the stuff from the past.

364
00:19:01,263 --> 00:19:05,864
And honestly, you can you can get through
it and you can compete again because I am

365
00:19:05,864 --> 00:19:06,994
recovered from binge eating.

366
00:19:06,994 --> 00:19:13,524
And I really thought that I had no no way
I would be able to continue to be.

367
00:19:13,524 --> 00:19:15,504
And that is probably the secret.

368
00:19:15,504 --> 00:19:18,524
Well, it's not a secret, but that's why
I've been competing so long, because I did

369
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have to take time to repair my
relationship with food and.

370
00:19:22,637 --> 00:19:27,197
you know, get through some stuff that I,
you know, went through.

371
00:19:27,197 --> 00:19:29,917
I mean, I was hospitalized for anorexia
when I was 12.

372
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So I'm 43.

373
00:19:32,417 --> 00:19:34,057
So that's like 31 years.

374
00:19:34,057 --> 00:19:36,749
So like more than half of my life.

375
00:19:36,749 --> 00:19:41,649
I have had, you know, just too much
knowledge about food and nutrition and

376
00:19:41,649 --> 00:19:43,109
calories at a young age.

377
00:19:43,109 --> 00:19:45,049
It turned that into my passion in my
career.

378
00:19:45,049 --> 00:19:46,809
And now I have a very healthy mindset.

379
00:19:46,809 --> 00:19:50,389
I have three daughters and, you know, two
sons, and I want to be a good role model

380
00:19:50,389 --> 00:19:53,949
and talk to them in ways so that they have
a healthy relationship with food.

381
00:19:53,949 --> 00:19:57,709
But, you know, a lot of that just reared
its ugly head when I first started

382
00:19:57,709 --> 00:20:01,429
competing and I would just keep doing
shows thinking that that was the answer

383
00:20:01,429 --> 00:20:05,449
until I really found those very empty
inside and I had to really work on that.

384
00:20:05,449 --> 00:20:06,702
So that is why.

385
00:20:06,702 --> 00:20:11,142
19 years later, I'm still competing
because I had to go through some things

386
00:20:11,142 --> 00:20:12,742
and I've learned a lot about myself.

387
00:20:12,742 --> 00:20:16,642
And now I always say like my struggles
help other people.

388
00:20:16,762 --> 00:20:19,782
So got a little deep there, but.

389
00:20:20,984 --> 00:20:23,504
it's good, like that's the relatability
though.

390
00:20:23,504 --> 00:20:27,234
And that is also another reason why we
love doing this podcast, right?

391
00:20:27,234 --> 00:20:30,204
Like I can't relate to it.

392
00:20:30,204 --> 00:20:32,324
It is, and I love being a.

393
00:20:32,324 --> 00:20:36,504
Yeah, like sharing our sharing like our
experiences, even if it's raw and real,

394
00:20:36,504 --> 00:20:38,924
like I never went through anything like
that.

395
00:20:38,924 --> 00:20:42,444
Mine, my relationship with food was
definitely damaged, but mine was more of

396
00:20:42,444 --> 00:20:43,644
the sense of emotional eating.

397
00:20:43,644 --> 00:20:48,084
Like I was such an emotional eater and I
never could understand how I would speak

398
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to women or meet people and they'd be
like, I'm, you know, I just am so sad or

399
00:20:52,664 --> 00:20:54,064
whatever and I don't eat for days.

400
00:20:54,064 --> 00:20:55,704
And I'm like, I'm the polar opposite.

401
00:20:55,704 --> 00:20:58,944
And like, I always felt like something was
wrong with me and I would always, I would

402
00:20:58,944 --> 00:21:02,778
always regain my weight, like the way my
genetics are and the way like my family.

403
00:21:02,830 --> 00:21:08,150
and all the women in my family like I can
see how I'm predisposed like I can see how

404
00:21:08,150 --> 00:21:12,770
I'm supposed to be shaped I can see if I
continue down this path like kind of the

405
00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:18,309
shape I'm you know gonna obtain and like
the way I may be and the health that I may

406
00:21:18,309 --> 00:21:25,910
like put on myself like the health issues
but I couldn't stop eating like if I was

407
00:21:25,910 --> 00:21:30,247
sad if I was happy if I like I was just an
emotional eater.

408
00:21:30,247 --> 00:21:37,267
think that is so hard to go through except
because you aren't a walking skeleton.

409
00:21:37,267 --> 00:21:42,307
It's downplayed as an eating disorder, but
it is so hard to go through and it is

410
00:21:42,307 --> 00:21:43,887
disordered eating.

411
00:21:44,307 --> 00:21:49,807
But I think that there's less sympathy and
like less support unless you're like, you

412
00:21:49,807 --> 00:21:54,944
know, over a toilet throwing up or yeah,
yeah.

413
00:21:54,944 --> 00:21:58,684
say that because I hear it all the time
now like well when I'm just going through

414
00:21:58,684 --> 00:22:06,184
this I just like to eat it's like that's
not good because what you're doing yeah I

415
00:22:06,184 --> 00:22:11,364
just binged yeah but it's like I just I
just I just binge ate all these snacks

416
00:22:11,364 --> 00:22:17,084
it's like okay like is that funny to you
it's not funny it can be scary and

417
00:22:17,084 --> 00:22:18,788
dangerous and like granted

418
00:22:18,788 --> 00:22:22,248
If you're listening to this podcast and
you're like 25 and you're like, it's not a

419
00:22:22,248 --> 00:22:23,438
big deal to go out and binge.

420
00:22:23,438 --> 00:22:27,228
Okay, well you can say that now maybe, but
wait till you're 45 and you're at the

421
00:22:27,228 --> 00:22:30,908
doctor's office and they're telling you
you have like some type of ailment that

422
00:22:30,908 --> 00:22:34,148
now you have to be on medication for and
you can't eat the foods that you've been

423
00:22:34,148 --> 00:22:37,448
eating because they're gonna cause like
inflammation and like diarrhea and all

424
00:22:37,448 --> 00:22:37,938
these issues.

425
00:22:37,938 --> 00:22:39,558
And now like your whole life is upside
down.

426
00:22:39,558 --> 00:22:42,068
That's what like nobody talks about.

427
00:22:42,068 --> 00:22:44,438
And it's just like, it's not okay.

428
00:22:44,438 --> 00:22:45,748
It's scary.

429
00:22:45,748 --> 00:22:47,158
It really, really is.

430
00:22:47,158 --> 00:22:47,819
And that's.

431
00:22:47,819 --> 00:22:52,999
too of how you feel the shame after a
binging episode and, it's never gonna

432
00:22:52,999 --> 00:22:57,839
happen again, except you know when you're
going through it, like it's just waiting

433
00:22:57,839 --> 00:22:58,489
for you.

434
00:22:58,489 --> 00:23:02,139
And you can't fix it by doing another
show.

435
00:23:02,279 --> 00:23:04,237
But I, and we'll.

436
00:23:04,237 --> 00:23:08,377
put this below in the show notes, there is
a wonderful resource, Celeste, who does

437
00:23:08,377 --> 00:23:10,167
the Confessions of a Bikini Pro podcast.

438
00:23:10,167 --> 00:23:11,497
Thank God for this woman.

439
00:23:11,497 --> 00:23:14,017
I mean, she's got so many resources.

440
00:23:14,017 --> 00:23:20,377
And what I love about her methods is that
she helps people continue to be a part of

441
00:23:20,377 --> 00:23:24,877
this sport, which is really tough with
disordered eating and body dysmorphia.

442
00:23:24,877 --> 00:23:28,297
It's really tough because, of course,
you're putting your almost naked body on

443
00:23:28,297 --> 00:23:32,957
display and it's a reflection of what you
ate and how you trained and what you look

444
00:23:32,957 --> 00:23:33,287
like.

445
00:23:33,287 --> 00:23:34,190
And that's really hard.

446
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:38,690
if you have struggled with eating
disorders and she does a lot of great

447
00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:38,890
work.

448
00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:41,850
So she's got a program and all kinds of
stuff.

449
00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:48,890
And that's so great because I remember
going to a therapist for binge eating as a

450
00:23:48,890 --> 00:23:50,290
former anorexic.

451
00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:54,450
And I'm in my 20s and I'm trying to talk
to this woman about what I'm going

452
00:23:54,450 --> 00:23:54,650
through.

453
00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:58,490
And she's like, you probably need to just
step away from the gym.

454
00:23:58,490 --> 00:24:02,280
And I'm like, but I feel like I can
continue that.

455
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,110
She's like, but I don't see how the two,
the two cannot.

456
00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:05,710
No, I don't think so.

457
00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:08,430
And I was like, I...

458
00:24:08,430 --> 00:24:09,388
Yeah.

459
00:24:09,388 --> 00:24:12,128
can't comprehend it.

460
00:24:12,308 --> 00:24:17,788
They can't comprehend anything that has to
do with how we live our lifestyle.

461
00:24:17,788 --> 00:24:22,668
And even when you try, I remember when I
hurt my back and I had a doctor come in

462
00:24:22,668 --> 00:24:26,448
and they were just like grilling me for
the supplements I was taking.

463
00:24:26,448 --> 00:24:28,348
And they're like, well, you're taking all
of these.

464
00:24:28,348 --> 00:24:33,048
And I'm talking about just supplements, by
the way, like just an array of like

465
00:24:33,048 --> 00:24:35,876
digestive enzyme, fish oil, like I was.

466
00:24:35,876 --> 00:24:36,856
I don't even remember.

467
00:24:36,856 --> 00:24:38,516
It was just regular supplements.

468
00:24:38,516 --> 00:24:43,176
And they were and I was very lean at the
time and they were just like, well, they

469
00:24:43,176 --> 00:24:45,286
like treated me like I was an alien.

470
00:24:45,286 --> 00:24:50,176
It was so they're like, well, you you
won't ever get to like weight like weight

471
00:24:50,176 --> 00:24:50,566
lift again.

472
00:24:50,566 --> 00:24:53,936
I started crying because I was in so much
pain and I was scared.

473
00:24:53,936 --> 00:24:57,356
But I was like, get like, get get out,
like get out.

474
00:24:57,356 --> 00:24:57,876
There's no way.

475
00:24:57,876 --> 00:25:01,516
And I actually met my new doctor that way
because he came in to settle me down.

476
00:25:01,516 --> 00:25:02,626
And I was like, I really like you.

477
00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:04,056
And he became my new doctor.

478
00:25:04,056 --> 00:25:05,636
But he.

479
00:25:05,636 --> 00:25:06,996
he helped me.

480
00:25:06,996 --> 00:25:13,396
But I know like and just to let you
listeners know the the thing from Celeste

481
00:25:13,396 --> 00:25:16,656
that you're gonna put in the show notes I
actually did it.

482
00:25:16,656 --> 00:25:22,236
I did her one of her free programs back in
I want to say it was like 22.

483
00:25:22,236 --> 00:25:23,036
I did it.

484
00:25:23,036 --> 00:25:29,016
I spoke with her her and I competed
together back in I can't god what year it

485
00:25:29,016 --> 00:25:33,140
was it will it's gonna be coming soon.

486
00:25:33,140 --> 00:25:34,260
yeah.

487
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,580
God, I know, we will.

488
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:39,548
She's the best.

489
00:25:39,548 --> 00:25:47,028
I did because I was out of the emotional
eating stage and I had a control over my

490
00:25:47,028 --> 00:25:50,748
eating, but similar to kind of what you
said, I felt like this emptiness and I

491
00:25:50,748 --> 00:25:52,488
couldn't really put my finger on it.

492
00:25:52,488 --> 00:25:56,508
And I knew I didn't wanna solve it by
food, cause I knew food wasn't solving it,

493
00:25:56,508 --> 00:25:59,408
but I didn't know what to do.

494
00:25:59,408 --> 00:26:02,756
And I had just got done competing and I
was, you know,

495
00:26:02,756 --> 00:26:07,696
building and I was, I think this was right
before I hurt my back and I started doing,

496
00:26:07,696 --> 00:26:10,216
she sent it to me and I started working on
it and I did it.

497
00:26:10,216 --> 00:26:14,656
It helped me quite a bit to kind of just
see things differently, give me a

498
00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:18,936
different like perspective and point of
view and it definitely helped me back then

499
00:26:18,936 --> 00:26:19,660
when I needed it.

500
00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:24,420
because I mean, I've spent time with you
and gone to dinner with you and socialized

501
00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:26,000
with you and hung out with you and all
these things.

502
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,880
And you've always seemed like, you know,
your relationship with food is very

503
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,230
healthy.

504
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:33,940
So I think it's interesting to hear that,
you know, you struggled too.

505
00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:38,300
And like, I think it's our clients, we
like them to know like that, you know, we

506
00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:45,560
look like we've got it together, but there
was a point where we, we struggled and the

507
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,660
desert.

508
00:26:46,788 --> 00:26:48,128
I did.

509
00:26:48,128 --> 00:26:50,128
I did.

510
00:26:50,128 --> 00:26:53,028
I never will forget it.

511
00:26:53,028 --> 00:27:00,208
It was, it was 2018 and it was post show
and this is also why I will be a big

512
00:27:00,208 --> 00:27:01,408
advocate.

513
00:27:01,428 --> 00:27:02,588
Okay.

514
00:27:03,328 --> 00:27:04,168
No, no.

515
00:27:04,168 --> 00:27:08,888
So I will always be a big advocate to not
go on vacation post show.

516
00:27:08,888 --> 00:27:12,328
Now give, give it like, give it time.

517
00:27:12,328 --> 00:27:15,988
Like if you're like a couple of weeks or a
week or something like that, like give it

518
00:27:15,988 --> 00:27:16,676
some...

519
00:27:16,676 --> 00:27:21,776
race period, don't go like, or like this
Sunday.

520
00:27:21,776 --> 00:27:23,310
So yeah, no.

521
00:27:23,476 --> 00:27:26,172
guidelines and a plan, you know.

522
00:27:26,172 --> 00:27:30,472
so don't be a newbie like me and go right
into a vacation.

523
00:27:30,472 --> 00:27:33,962
So no, it was like my third show, but I
had taken like so much time off.

524
00:27:33,962 --> 00:27:38,792
So like it was, I was like coming back and
I had competed in Las Vegas and it was a

525
00:27:38,792 --> 00:27:39,862
beautiful, great time.

526
00:27:39,862 --> 00:27:40,592
Awesome.

527
00:27:40,592 --> 00:27:41,941
I had to drive.

528
00:27:41,941 --> 00:27:46,532
We were vacationing in Palm Springs and it
was like a four hour drive.

529
00:27:46,532 --> 00:27:48,012
Yes, I love Palm Springs.

530
00:27:48,012 --> 00:27:55,076
So from Las Vegas to Palm Springs,
California, driving through the desert.

531
00:27:55,076 --> 00:27:57,636
I had just been eating like shit.

532
00:27:57,636 --> 00:28:03,336
I just ate whatever I had no guidelines no
rules My stomach could not process like

533
00:28:03,336 --> 00:28:07,436
the food the food I ate I don't remember
what I ate It was just a bunch of stuff a

534
00:28:07,436 --> 00:28:10,036
bunch of shit, but my food could not
process it.

535
00:28:10,036 --> 00:28:12,416
I couldn't go to the bathroom I couldn't
figure it out.

536
00:28:12,416 --> 00:28:17,056
It wasn't it was just stuck I looked at
Aaron and I was like you have to pull over

537
00:28:17,056 --> 00:28:18,016
and he's like, huh?

538
00:28:18,016 --> 00:28:22,956
I was like pull over now So he pulled over
and I had to like I had to make myself

539
00:28:22,956 --> 00:28:24,776
throw up just to get it out of me.

540
00:28:24,776 --> 00:28:24,932
I

541
00:28:24,932 --> 00:28:30,248
Like I needed this and I was in the middle
of the desert and I felt fantastic.

542
00:28:30,248 --> 00:28:36,428
question then, because if you're listening
and hearing these stories, you've probably

543
00:28:36,428 --> 00:28:40,948
thought of a million instances where
you've had something wild happen post

544
00:28:40,948 --> 00:28:41,648
-show.

545
00:28:41,648 --> 00:28:47,788
But what I find to be the most bizarre
thing about post -show eating is that you

546
00:28:47,788 --> 00:28:51,788
can throw up in the desert and the next
day, why does your body want that food

547
00:28:51,788 --> 00:28:52,408
again?

548
00:28:52,408 --> 00:28:54,604
Like, even though you know better.

549
00:28:54,604 --> 00:28:57,284
And I want to talk about that today
because there is a science behind it.

550
00:28:57,284 --> 00:29:01,544
But I think that is the most maddening
thing for anybody who, you know, maybe

551
00:29:01,544 --> 00:29:03,884
Saturday after the show, they have a cheat
meal and then Sunday, they have a cheat

552
00:29:03,884 --> 00:29:04,044
meal.

553
00:29:04,044 --> 00:29:05,604
Monday, they're like, I have a food
hangover.

554
00:29:05,604 --> 00:29:06,624
I never want to see that food again.

555
00:29:06,624 --> 00:29:09,244
Tuesday rolls around and you want that
food again.

556
00:29:09,244 --> 00:29:11,704
It's like you didn't learn your lesson.

557
00:29:11,704 --> 00:29:12,224
Yeah.

558
00:29:12,224 --> 00:29:18,540
So I think that's, that's a very alarming
thing where somebody's like, like I'm.

559
00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:21,160
Maybe I should have never competed or like
my I'm a mess.

560
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,190
What's wrong with me?

561
00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:27,630
But there is like, you know, things going
on in your body that can explain that.

562
00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:31,660
And maybe for some people, if they like to
know what's going on and they understand

563
00:29:31,660 --> 00:29:35,180
the reasoning, maybe they won't feel so
bad about it and kind of start to, you

564
00:29:35,180 --> 00:29:36,936
know, take some of that guilt off.

565
00:29:36,936 --> 00:29:42,386
yeah, so before we pivot to that, cause
that's like spot on to like pivot to it.

566
00:29:42,386 --> 00:29:46,216
Cause like not only did I throw up, I felt
better of course, like you said, I felt

567
00:29:46,216 --> 00:29:46,456
great.

568
00:29:46,456 --> 00:29:47,746
And I did, I never wanted to eat.

569
00:29:47,746 --> 00:29:49,336
I was like, I'm never gonna do that again.

570
00:29:49,336 --> 00:29:50,916
I need to keep my gains.

571
00:29:50,916 --> 00:29:55,416
Drove to Palm Springs, got to the condo we
were staying at, went to the grocery

572
00:29:55,416 --> 00:30:00,676
store, got my, you know, whatever, tuna
packets, protein, whatever, all this stuff

573
00:30:00,676 --> 00:30:02,576
that we're supposed to get, right?

574
00:30:02,948 --> 00:30:05,068
Do you, what do you think I ate for
dinner?

575
00:30:05,068 --> 00:30:12,068
Like, what do you, I went, my dad wanted
to go out to dinner.

576
00:30:12,068 --> 00:30:13,248
I'm on vacation.

577
00:30:13,248 --> 00:30:16,848
Why would I want to eat tuna packets and
green beans on vacation when I can go out

578
00:30:16,848 --> 00:30:19,207
to like a fancy dinner my dad's gonna pay
for?

579
00:30:19,207 --> 00:30:21,648
So yeah, exactly.

580
00:30:21,648 --> 00:30:25,288
So, and you are perfect to explain this.

581
00:30:25,288 --> 00:30:29,668
So you can explain the science behind why
this happens.

582
00:30:30,788 --> 00:30:31,560
my goodness.

583
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:31,820
hat.

584
00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:33,060
No, I don't need my notes.

585
00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:34,636
No, because I...

586
00:30:34,636 --> 00:30:40,716
I have clients that are in tears in their
check -ins because they're like, I'm

587
00:30:40,716 --> 00:30:44,996
trying to stick to this reverse, but every
day, no matter how sick I got the day

588
00:30:44,996 --> 00:30:47,856
before, I want more food.

589
00:30:48,076 --> 00:30:51,015
And I think it's helpful to understand
what's going on in your body so that you

590
00:30:51,015 --> 00:30:55,756
don't think that it's got everything to do
with willpower and that you suck and you

591
00:30:55,756 --> 00:30:58,756
have no place in this sport.

592
00:30:59,076 --> 00:31:02,732
So there are two, there was many hormones
that are...

593
00:31:02,732 --> 00:31:06,532
you know, manipulate, not manipulated,
what's the word I'm looking for, that are

594
00:31:06,532 --> 00:31:10,892
altered in what our bodies go through in
PrEP.

595
00:31:10,892 --> 00:31:16,732
You know, our hypothalamus is down
-regulated, our pituitary gland, our

596
00:31:16,732 --> 00:31:21,032
female sex hormones, you know,
testosterone, all these things change when

597
00:31:21,032 --> 00:31:27,712
we are leaner, when we're, you know, in a
caloric deficit for a long time.

598
00:31:28,832 --> 00:31:30,332
Yeah.

599
00:31:30,792 --> 00:31:31,792
yeah.

600
00:31:31,804 --> 00:31:33,224
yeah, definitely.

601
00:31:33,384 --> 00:31:38,424
Because maintaining, you know, stage lean
for a while, if you've got like a lot of

602
00:31:38,424 --> 00:31:41,564
shows going on, I mean, I'm starting to
kind of feel it now because it's been, you

603
00:31:41,564 --> 00:31:45,564
know, a little while and I still have
another month before I'm going into a

604
00:31:45,564 --> 00:31:46,404
little break.

605
00:31:46,404 --> 00:31:48,544
But yeah, these things all change.

606
00:31:48,544 --> 00:31:51,964
So you'll be noticing along the way, you
know, changes in libido, changes in energy

607
00:31:51,964 --> 00:31:53,564
level, all these things, right?

608
00:31:53,564 --> 00:31:55,034
Thyroid changes, all these things.

609
00:31:55,034 --> 00:31:56,384
And that's, that's part of it.

610
00:31:56,384 --> 00:31:58,144
And it all, it can all go back to normal.

611
00:31:58,144 --> 00:31:59,134
It really can.

612
00:31:59,134 --> 00:32:01,518
But two really important hormones are

613
00:32:01,518 --> 00:32:03,398
are leptin and ghrelin.

614
00:32:03,538 --> 00:32:07,198
And they're responsible for kind of a
similar thing.

615
00:32:07,198 --> 00:32:12,038
Ghrelin is the hunger hormone, and then
leptin is the satiety hormone.

616
00:32:12,038 --> 00:32:14,378
And leptin is actually stored in body fat.

617
00:32:14,378 --> 00:32:20,518
So as your body fat decreases, your leptin
decreases.

618
00:32:21,718 --> 00:32:25,498
And what that means is that the food that
used to satisfy you doesn't satisfy you

619
00:32:25,498 --> 00:32:26,398
anymore.

620
00:32:26,598 --> 00:32:29,900
And so you go into your...

621
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:33,880
evening after the show, the day after the
show and you're eating food and the

622
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,270
ghrelin increases as you start to eat
more.

623
00:32:36,270 --> 00:32:41,120
You know, you've got a burger and then the
ghrelin is, you know, really high and then

624
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,520
your leptin is still low because your body
fat is still low.

625
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,520
So you don't have enough leptin to balance
the ghrelin and you have this going on and

626
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,800
it just takes time.

627
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,492
It will level out and you don't have to
gain weight.

628
00:32:52,492 --> 00:32:54,812
a ton of weight for it to level out.

629
00:32:54,812 --> 00:32:59,312
But you know, you have to kind of restore
some of that body fat, you know, put on

630
00:32:59,312 --> 00:33:01,822
however much body fat your individual body
needs.

631
00:33:01,822 --> 00:33:03,462
I will not say a number on this podcast.

632
00:33:03,462 --> 00:33:08,372
It's like a rule I have, but everyone's
different, but it just takes time to kind

633
00:33:08,372 --> 00:33:08,961
of level out.

634
00:33:08,961 --> 00:33:12,752
So if you're patient with yourself and
just understand it's normal, then I think

635
00:33:12,752 --> 00:33:17,372
it's easier to navigate that without so
much guilt and shame, because if you feel

636
00:33:17,372 --> 00:33:21,592
too guilty and shameful, then you won't
talk to people and you won't reach out for

637
00:33:21,592 --> 00:33:22,445
help and you just.

638
00:33:22,445 --> 00:33:26,265
blame yourself and then your eight weeks
post show and you're you know

639
00:33:26,763 --> 00:33:30,463
40 pounds heavier and you feel terrible
and you don't want to go to the gym

640
00:33:30,463 --> 00:33:34,003
because you're embarrassed and you feel
like you've let everybody down and all

641
00:33:34,003 --> 00:33:35,403
your hard work has gone.

642
00:33:35,403 --> 00:33:38,983
And so I think that, you know, just
understanding the science and then not

643
00:33:38,983 --> 00:33:43,583
putting so much blame and guilt on
yourself is key to just getting, you just

644
00:33:43,583 --> 00:33:44,343
got to get through it.

645
00:33:44,343 --> 00:33:48,733
It's rough and the cravings eventually
they settle down.

646
00:33:48,803 --> 00:33:54,903
but I find what's helpful is to just like
put a snack in your day and, and it might

647
00:33:54,903 --> 00:33:56,717
scare you to do that, but if you,

648
00:33:56,717 --> 00:34:00,857
If you don't, you're gonna eventually
drive yourself crazy and find yourself

649
00:34:00,857 --> 00:34:01,757
binging.

650
00:34:01,757 --> 00:34:06,027
So, you know, if that means you have an
Oreo every day, okay, it's fine.

651
00:34:06,027 --> 00:34:10,857
It's better than having 20 because you
made yourself crazy about them, you know?

652
00:34:11,237 --> 00:34:12,254
So.

653
00:34:12,264 --> 00:34:13,724
like my reverse diet.

654
00:34:13,724 --> 00:34:19,244
So the mental fortitude that you have to
have, I know whenever you're going into

655
00:34:19,244 --> 00:34:21,864
your reverse diet, you want all of these
things.

656
00:34:21,864 --> 00:34:26,014
You feel, especially as a new competitor,
you feel completely deprived.

657
00:34:26,014 --> 00:34:29,074
You have all of these hormone issues going
on right now.

658
00:34:29,074 --> 00:34:30,984
They're trying to, like you said, trying
to balance out.

659
00:34:30,984 --> 00:34:32,664
They're trying, they're fighting.

660
00:34:32,664 --> 00:34:34,916
Your mental fortitude is...

661
00:34:34,916 --> 00:34:37,496
is gonna be kicked in the ass, really.

662
00:34:37,496 --> 00:34:41,176
Because you're gonna be like, well, one
snack won't hurt and this snack won't hurt

663
00:34:41,176 --> 00:34:42,836
and this snack and it adds up.

664
00:34:42,836 --> 00:34:46,736
One thing I wanna share with you, a few
things that I have done these last two

665
00:34:46,736 --> 00:34:51,996
weeks that have really, really helped me.

666
00:34:51,996 --> 00:34:55,756
And I almost didn't even need the help per
se.

667
00:34:55,756 --> 00:34:58,980
Like I'm already pretty like.

668
00:34:58,980 --> 00:35:03,100
you know, forget it, I'll just eat like an
extra little bit of rice, like an ideal,

669
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:04,220
you know, whatever.

670
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:08,200
But, but why do that when I can be a
little bit more experimental, right?

671
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,760
So, like you said, have a, like somebody
you can add a snack in or like what I do

672
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:19,920
as I take one of my meals and my meals of
being like protein, carbs, fat, veggie,

673
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,660
one of my bigger meals, right?

674
00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:25,020
So I'll take that and I'll make protein
ice cream.

675
00:35:25,156 --> 00:35:26,266
It's the same thing.

676
00:35:26,266 --> 00:35:27,636
It's the same measurement.

677
00:35:27,636 --> 00:35:29,176
I'll do protein ice cream.

678
00:35:29,176 --> 00:35:30,456
I'll use a ninja creamy.

679
00:35:30,456 --> 00:35:35,296
And then what I'll do is instead of my
fats, like sometimes I, or with my fats,

680
00:35:35,296 --> 00:35:36,856
I'll put nut butter on it.

681
00:35:36,856 --> 00:35:41,496
If I have, if I don't have a fat, I'll
make nut butter out of PB fit and you just

682
00:35:41,496 --> 00:35:45,136
do sugar -free maple syrup and you add
water, salt, you can flavor it how you

683
00:35:45,136 --> 00:35:45,276
want.

684
00:35:45,276 --> 00:35:46,476
You can use that as it is.

685
00:35:46,476 --> 00:35:48,236
You can use it as a drizzle.

686
00:35:48,476 --> 00:35:54,276
I, I don't think I've shown you this
because this is a new purchase of mine.

687
00:35:54,276 --> 00:35:55,696
I don't have any with me right now.

688
00:35:55,696 --> 00:35:59,076
I started using Twisted Dough protein
dough.

689
00:35:59,076 --> 00:36:00,576
They're macros.

690
00:36:01,256 --> 00:36:03,851
I they always tasted good, but

691
00:36:03,851 --> 00:36:04,456
Hmm.

692
00:36:04,456 --> 00:36:05,736
I just couldn't keep them in the house.

693
00:36:05,736 --> 00:36:08,296
I wasn't responsible enough just hands
down years ago.

694
00:36:08,296 --> 00:36:13,136
Like years ago I wasn't, but now it's
like, okay, no, their macros fit really

695
00:36:13,136 --> 00:36:13,396
well.

696
00:36:13,396 --> 00:36:16,666
They're very low fat, low carb and high
protein.

697
00:36:16,666 --> 00:36:20,636
So I can do like a tablespoon of that and
put it in the microwave and it turns into

698
00:36:20,636 --> 00:36:22,156
like a cookie crumble because it bakes.

699
00:36:22,156 --> 00:36:28,136
So I have like a brookie cookie crumble on
top of my protein ice cream with, yeah,

700
00:36:28,136 --> 00:36:30,896
with a PB fit drizzle.

701
00:36:30,896 --> 00:36:33,990
Like you can come up with little creative
ways.

702
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:38,050
So like PB fit sugar free jelly sugar free

703
00:36:38,788 --> 00:36:41,788
maple syrup, you know, measure it out with
a tablespoon.

704
00:36:41,788 --> 00:36:44,608
Don't go crazy because your stomach's
still not used to those things.

705
00:36:44,608 --> 00:36:47,008
Like don't just like squirt the whole
thing on like that.

706
00:36:47,008 --> 00:36:48,508
You don't want to upset your stomach.

707
00:36:48,508 --> 00:36:52,748
But like a little bit here and there that
can satisfy like that satiation that you

708
00:36:52,748 --> 00:36:54,218
have for like, I want something sweet.

709
00:36:54,218 --> 00:36:55,568
I want something salty.

710
00:36:55,568 --> 00:36:59,988
You know, doing those kinds of things have
really like just helped when I like I'm

711
00:36:59,988 --> 00:37:03,668
sitting watching TV with the husband at
night and he's eating, you know, the stuff

712
00:37:03,668 --> 00:37:04,568
he's eating.

713
00:37:04,568 --> 00:37:07,528
Now, can I eat my normal, you know, food
that's prepped?

714
00:37:07,528 --> 00:37:08,098
Absolutely.

715
00:37:08,098 --> 00:37:08,868
But like,

716
00:37:08,868 --> 00:37:12,548
know why not indulge a little bit in
something that fits in so just there's

717
00:37:12,548 --> 00:37:17,588
ways to be like slightly creative while
you're slowly getting you know out of your

718
00:37:17,588 --> 00:37:22,588
prep and into your improvement season and
finding those ways definitely can help you

719
00:37:22,588 --> 00:37:27,668
know finding things to cook and bake and
you know it it's helpful it helps with

720
00:37:27,668 --> 00:37:29,124
those tastes for sure.

721
00:37:29,124 --> 00:37:30,464
the time on Instagram.

722
00:37:30,464 --> 00:37:33,804
I'm like, hey coach, in six weeks, can
this be on my reverse?

723
00:37:33,804 --> 00:37:34,952
I'm like, sure.

724
00:37:35,516 --> 00:37:38,176
and I think that that has really helped my
clients.

725
00:37:38,176 --> 00:37:41,756
So at our company, mom shall method
fitness, we do meal plans.

726
00:37:41,756 --> 00:37:42,876
We don't do macros.

727
00:37:42,876 --> 00:37:47,556
And so, you know, in the design of a meal
plan, sometimes, you know, we need input

728
00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:51,265
because your nutrition is very, very
personal.

729
00:37:51,265 --> 00:37:55,856
I don't know, you know, I can tell you
what I would like to eat, but you know,

730
00:37:55,856 --> 00:37:56,586
it's very personal.

731
00:37:56,586 --> 00:38:00,396
So, I do a lot of collaborative meetings
with my clients when we're planning

732
00:38:00,396 --> 00:38:01,516
reverse.

733
00:38:01,756 --> 00:38:04,826
and it's like, Hey, can I like have
something sweet for breakfast?

734
00:38:04,826 --> 00:38:05,063
Like,

735
00:38:05,063 --> 00:38:07,513
maybe those like Kodiak pancakes, like I
love those.

736
00:38:07,513 --> 00:38:07,963
Sure.

737
00:38:07,963 --> 00:38:09,293
I really miss my Quest bars.

738
00:38:09,293 --> 00:38:10,303
Yep, let's put those in.

739
00:38:10,303 --> 00:38:15,143
And I find if we work together on it, it
doesn't feel as strict and we can kind of

740
00:38:15,143 --> 00:38:16,003
keep a tight rein.

741
00:38:16,003 --> 00:38:20,563
And then I, each week when we check in,
I'm assessing their hunger and how they're

742
00:38:20,563 --> 00:38:22,623
doing with their food relationship.

743
00:38:22,703 --> 00:38:28,403
And, you know, I had one client that was
like, my God, I went kind of crazy on the

744
00:38:28,403 --> 00:38:29,563
Cheddar Mini Rice Cakes.

745
00:38:29,563 --> 00:38:31,763
I was like, well, let's just build them
into your plan, you know?

746
00:38:31,763 --> 00:38:33,433
no, I think it might've actually been
Cheetos.

747
00:38:33,433 --> 00:38:34,766
And I was like, okay, well,

748
00:38:34,766 --> 00:38:36,366
Have you tried the cheddar mini rice
cakes?

749
00:38:36,366 --> 00:38:39,066
And so we built those in and she's like, I
feel guilty eating these.

750
00:38:39,066 --> 00:38:40,856
And I'm like, but it's fine.

751
00:38:40,856 --> 00:38:42,886
Like it's a rice cake and it's cheddar.

752
00:38:42,886 --> 00:38:43,606
She's like, but they're too good.

753
00:38:43,606 --> 00:38:45,456
I'm like, yeah, but that's what this is
about.

754
00:38:45,456 --> 00:38:51,226
And then as she sort of watched her body
do well and her metabolism increase, then

755
00:38:51,226 --> 00:38:52,906
she was like, my, you know, this is great.

756
00:38:52,906 --> 00:38:55,186
And we got to increase the food and, and
all of that.

757
00:38:55,186 --> 00:38:58,506
So I think just like being able to have
those conversations, like I'm going to

758
00:38:58,506 --> 00:39:04,506
talk to my coach about my reverse and kind
of what my goals are and how I want to

759
00:39:04,506 --> 00:39:04,686
make

760
00:39:04,686 --> 00:39:06,286
strategic for myself.

761
00:39:06,286 --> 00:39:11,746
But of course I have 19 years experience
so I have just a lot of a lot of failures

762
00:39:11,746 --> 00:39:15,286
that I can I can remember and not having
plans.

763
00:39:15,286 --> 00:39:18,206
And also I had to prepare myself for two
outcomes.

764
00:39:18,206 --> 00:39:20,866
The one I want and the one I might I don't
want.

765
00:39:20,866 --> 00:39:24,536
And I have to be mentally strong in either
way.

766
00:39:24,536 --> 00:39:28,166
Like I can't celebrate too much if things
go the way that I have dreamt for my whole

767
00:39:28,166 --> 00:39:28,546
life.

768
00:39:28,546 --> 00:39:33,356
I can't be sad and in a hole and go down a
bad

769
00:39:33,356 --> 00:39:35,896
path because they don't go that way.

770
00:39:35,896 --> 00:39:40,816
So I've kind of like got that going on in
my head and a plan for that so I can enjoy

771
00:39:40,816 --> 00:39:44,436
my summer and, you know, strategically
plan for the rest.

772
00:39:44,436 --> 00:39:48,056
And so I just think it's smart, it's smart
to have a plan and don't just only think

773
00:39:48,056 --> 00:39:49,696
about up until the day of your show.

774
00:39:49,696 --> 00:39:53,956
Start thinking about your reverse, start
having those conversations, do Celeste's

775
00:39:53,956 --> 00:39:58,155
free course, watch podcasts, listen to
YouTube.

776
00:39:58,155 --> 00:40:01,315
All the things, like get all the
information that you can so that you're

777
00:40:01,315 --> 00:40:02,475
prepared.

778
00:40:02,535 --> 00:40:04,275
And just take it one day at a time.

779
00:40:04,275 --> 00:40:09,885
Like if you treated your prep like it all
had to be achieved in like one week, well,

780
00:40:09,885 --> 00:40:11,695
I mean, you'd never get there.

781
00:40:11,695 --> 00:40:11,947
So.

782
00:40:11,947 --> 00:40:13,787
The same goes for your reverse.

783
00:40:13,787 --> 00:40:18,067
It's important to execute it well, but if
you don't, it's okay.

784
00:40:18,067 --> 00:40:21,767
You just have to take it one day at a time
and focus on your goals.

785
00:40:21,767 --> 00:40:25,147
And everybody's messed up, and they always
end up coming back and getting it

786
00:40:25,147 --> 00:40:26,127
together.

787
00:40:26,127 --> 00:40:28,984
And you learn from it, hopefully, right?

788
00:40:28,984 --> 00:40:30,024
always remember your goals.

789
00:40:30,024 --> 00:40:33,604
Cause that's kind of the, the process of
the reverse is like, why are you going

790
00:40:33,604 --> 00:40:34,234
into reverse?

791
00:40:34,234 --> 00:40:37,364
And what do you want to accomplish with
your improvement season?

792
00:40:37,364 --> 00:40:41,984
Because that's another thing, you know,
you want to really think about, especially

793
00:40:41,984 --> 00:40:45,424
if you want to make this sport, you want
to go pro, you want to go to a pro

794
00:40:45,424 --> 00:40:49,864
qualifying show, you want to grow in the
sport, you want to look a certain way, you

795
00:40:49,864 --> 00:40:51,424
want to feel a certain way.

796
00:40:51,424 --> 00:40:54,628
Understand that a lot, if not,

797
00:40:54,628 --> 00:40:59,428
all of that happens in your improvement
season because that is the time where you

798
00:40:59,428 --> 00:41:02,718
can, you are in your reverse, you're
raising your calories.

799
00:41:02,718 --> 00:41:06,508
And the point of raising your calories is
to regulate your hormones, start building

800
00:41:06,508 --> 00:41:13,088
muscle tissue, get, you know, get feeling
better, have, you know, a better mental

801
00:41:13,088 --> 00:41:14,868
fortitude, you know, mental strength.

802
00:41:14,868 --> 00:41:18,564
And you get to a point where, okay,

803
00:41:18,564 --> 00:41:23,394
Understand that you're not gonna look like
you did in prep at the gym.

804
00:41:23,394 --> 00:41:29,204
You're gonna look different and embrace
that and love your body for it because now

805
00:41:29,204 --> 00:41:34,843
is when the real work begins and you can
have so much fun with it.

806
00:41:34,843 --> 00:41:40,218
When I tell you that in 2022, I, or 23,

807
00:41:40,996 --> 00:41:44,336
I traveled everywhere and I don't mean
just for expediting.

808
00:41:44,336 --> 00:41:45,686
I went to Spain for two weeks.

809
00:41:45,686 --> 00:41:46,706
I went to Vegas.

810
00:41:46,706 --> 00:41:47,676
I went to Florida.

811
00:41:47,676 --> 00:41:48,416
I traveled.

812
00:41:48,416 --> 00:41:52,056
I traveled all the time for all sorts of
different experiences, family stuff,

813
00:41:52,056 --> 00:41:55,636
sports stuff, you know, expediting,
bodybuilding things.

814
00:41:55,636 --> 00:42:02,496
And I, I ate as best as I really could,
you know, as I did, but I stayed

815
00:42:02,496 --> 00:42:03,676
consistent at the gym.

816
00:42:03,676 --> 00:42:07,896
And if you look at the posts that I made
today, I don't look like I do now, but

817
00:42:07,896 --> 00:42:10,916
like I'm able to have the physique I have
now.

818
00:42:10,916 --> 00:42:12,996
because I spent time building it.

819
00:42:12,996 --> 00:42:17,856
And that's, you know, remember your why
when you go into an off season, don't just

820
00:42:17,856 --> 00:42:22,256
sit and eat a bag of, you know, Doritos or
whatever, just because you can remember

821
00:42:22,256 --> 00:42:23,856
like food is fuel.

822
00:42:23,856 --> 00:42:28,356
Food is gonna help you achieve what you
want to achieve.

823
00:42:28,356 --> 00:42:33,156
Rather it's a physical look, you know,
growth in the sport, you know, or, you

824
00:42:33,156 --> 00:42:38,616
know, wanting to be more active and have,
you know, healthier long life for your

825
00:42:38,616 --> 00:42:39,051
kids.

826
00:42:39,051 --> 00:42:39,636
Mm -hmm.

827
00:42:39,636 --> 00:42:40,816
is going to give you that.

828
00:42:40,816 --> 00:42:43,469
And so is being active in the gym.

829
00:42:43,469 --> 00:42:44,621
It's so true.

830
00:42:44,621 --> 00:42:48,401
And I think we talked about this on a
prior episode about just like remembering

831
00:42:48,401 --> 00:42:49,341
who you are.

832
00:42:49,341 --> 00:42:55,001
And I think that most people like come
into bodybuilding because they had a love

833
00:42:55,001 --> 00:42:55,881
for fitness.

834
00:42:55,881 --> 00:42:57,641
They had a love for healthy eating.

835
00:42:57,641 --> 00:43:02,121
They discovered how they felt when they
ate a good amount of healthy protein and

836
00:43:02,121 --> 00:43:02,901
they drank water.

837
00:43:02,901 --> 00:43:04,481
So like remember those things.

838
00:43:04,481 --> 00:43:09,361
Because I think that was something that I
forgot in my first off season.

839
00:43:09,641 --> 00:43:14,001
I, you know, went to a drive through and I
don't think I'd ever been to like Burger

840
00:43:14,001 --> 00:43:14,574
King or like

841
00:43:14,574 --> 00:43:18,434
I had never been a fast food person ever
in my life.

842
00:43:18,533 --> 00:43:24,454
Again, some of that stems from having
battled anorexia and just choosing healthy

843
00:43:24,454 --> 00:43:27,554
options because I wanted to eat healthy.

844
00:43:27,554 --> 00:43:29,614
So I was a very healthy eater.

845
00:43:29,614 --> 00:43:33,804
And then I did my first show and all of a
sudden I'm getting Dairy Queen and all,

846
00:43:33,804 --> 00:43:35,034
like what?

847
00:43:35,034 --> 00:43:40,454
No, it's like, yeah, it just didn't make
any sense.

848
00:43:40,454 --> 00:43:43,574
But again, there wasn't the information
that we have now.

849
00:43:43,574 --> 00:43:44,494
So I think like,

850
00:43:44,494 --> 00:43:48,314
remember that when you've when you think
about where you started and you know how

851
00:43:48,314 --> 00:43:53,774
you came into this and then just finding
that that balance and and and treating it

852
00:43:53,774 --> 00:43:57,454
like a choice and you know if you love to
work out that's why you did this you

853
00:43:57,454 --> 00:44:02,194
wouldn't want to be a bodybuilder if you
hated lifting weights right you know and I

854
00:44:02,194 --> 00:44:06,434
think that just you know just having
somebody to support you and having a plan

855
00:44:06,434 --> 00:44:11,774
but I went on a tangent there and I don't
remember what I was gonna say it was good

856
00:44:11,774 --> 00:44:13,076
though it was good.

857
00:44:13,076 --> 00:44:14,436
what I have to carry us.

858
00:44:14,436 --> 00:44:18,696
So there is there is getting ready for
reverse, though.

859
00:44:18,696 --> 00:44:22,216
I do want to talk about this because I
feel like it's probably one of the most

860
00:44:22,216 --> 00:44:26,116
difficult things, especially being an
expediter and traveling to all the shows

861
00:44:26,116 --> 00:44:28,396
that I see every show.

862
00:44:28,396 --> 00:44:29,835
We'll just say every show.

863
00:44:31,476 --> 00:44:36,556
As you compete and you have all your
friends and family just love on you and

864
00:44:36,556 --> 00:44:38,286
support you and cheer you on.

865
00:44:38,286 --> 00:44:39,756
And it's fantastic.

866
00:44:39,756 --> 00:44:41,188
Communicate with.

867
00:44:41,188 --> 00:44:41,708
them.

868
00:44:41,708 --> 00:44:48,428
Like sit down, have a phone call, whatever
it is and let them know like, Hey, I love

869
00:44:48,428 --> 00:44:49,468
that you're going to be at my show.

870
00:44:49,468 --> 00:44:50,848
I love that you're going to come see me.

871
00:44:50,848 --> 00:44:52,508
I love that you're going to cheer me on.

872
00:44:52,508 --> 00:44:57,488
Please don't bring food every time it.

873
00:44:57,708 --> 00:45:03,788
Yeah, it's I always see competitors that
are just very excited and elated.

874
00:45:03,788 --> 00:45:04,818
They love the sport.

875
00:45:04,818 --> 00:45:05,728
They're so happy.

876
00:45:05,728 --> 00:45:08,898
And a lot of times like friends and
family, they mean well, they do.

877
00:45:08,898 --> 00:45:10,475
They never mean a disservice.

878
00:45:10,475 --> 00:45:11,453
Mm -hmm.

879
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:20,460
look at our sport and think, okay, my son,
husband, wife, whatever, mother, just did

880
00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:23,340
a 24 week prep.

881
00:45:23,340 --> 00:45:26,290
Now she can go out to dinner every other
day.

882
00:45:26,290 --> 00:45:27,690
Now she can drink wine with me.

883
00:45:27,690 --> 00:45:33,000
Now she can have, we can have burgers
every night.

884
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,700
They believe that after you're done
competing, then you can return back to a

885
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:40,708
person that maybe you,

886
00:45:40,708 --> 00:45:42,708
You never actually were.

887
00:45:42,708 --> 00:45:46,788
They just are so used to you meal prepping
and being at the gym and being scheduled

888
00:45:46,788 --> 00:45:48,408
and being really strict.

889
00:45:48,408 --> 00:45:49,963
Yeah.

890
00:45:49,963 --> 00:45:54,944
Surely you cannot wait to just go to Chick
-fil -A every night, you know?

891
00:45:54,944 --> 00:45:56,984
understand and nothing is wrong with that.

892
00:45:56,984 --> 00:46:02,044
But like having a conversation with your
friends and family and understand and let

893
00:46:02,044 --> 00:46:06,864
them know like, hey, I really bring me
flowers, you know, something special

894
00:46:06,864 --> 00:46:08,044
that's fantastic.

895
00:46:08,044 --> 00:46:12,274
But you know, if you wanna go out to
dinner and celebrate with them, great,

896
00:46:12,274 --> 00:46:13,504
enjoy that time.

897
00:46:13,504 --> 00:46:17,044
I always recommend spreading out the love.

898
00:46:17,044 --> 00:46:21,324
Like, if your friends and family are at
your show, go to dinner, you know, do what

899
00:46:21,324 --> 00:46:22,308
you planned.

900
00:46:22,308 --> 00:46:26,428
But then if you have other friends and
family that have waited to, I don't know,

901
00:46:26,428 --> 00:46:31,468
like spend time with you and you wanna do
a food thing with them, plan it for the

902
00:46:31,468 --> 00:46:34,428
next week or the next, yeah, spread it
out.

903
00:46:34,428 --> 00:46:38,558
Just communicate because they don't know.

904
00:46:38,558 --> 00:46:40,818
They will never understand.

905
00:46:40,818 --> 00:46:46,988
It's up to you to set those boundaries for
them so they can respect them and

906
00:46:46,988 --> 00:46:48,964
everybody will be happier.

907
00:46:48,964 --> 00:46:52,784
because the last thing you wanna do is
feel forced to go out to dinner and then

908
00:46:52,784 --> 00:46:54,824
nobody's gonna have a good time.

909
00:46:54,964 --> 00:46:56,423
And nobody's gonna feel good.

910
00:46:56,423 --> 00:47:00,133
like you have all the time in the world,
like the food's not going anywhere.

911
00:47:00,133 --> 00:47:04,113
It's, you know, getting out of that
scarcity mindset of, you know, like, I got

912
00:47:04,113 --> 00:47:07,013
to get all this eating in because I'm
going, you know.

913
00:47:07,713 --> 00:47:09,073
What is?

914
00:47:10,013 --> 00:47:11,632
The food's not going anywhere.

915
00:47:11,632 --> 00:47:16,172
can sit here right now and pick up my
phone and I can door dash like a whole

916
00:47:16,172 --> 00:47:21,791
carrot, I like carrot cake, carrot cake
with my name on it and say like, I don't

917
00:47:21,791 --> 00:47:25,492
know, say whatever I want it to and it'll
be on my door and like, I bet like 45

918
00:47:25,492 --> 00:47:26,712
minutes.

919
00:47:26,932 --> 00:47:29,729
Like food, it does, it's insane.

920
00:47:29,729 --> 00:47:30,649
Yeah.

921
00:47:30,649 --> 00:47:33,749
So I remember what I was going to say.

922
00:47:34,289 --> 00:47:36,649
And it was really, yeah, and it's good.

923
00:47:36,649 --> 00:47:37,629
good.

924
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:43,569
So you know what I think is important and
what is wonderful about you know all of

925
00:47:43,569 --> 00:47:47,549
the information that we have now is sort
of this like acceptance of being an

926
00:47:47,549 --> 00:47:49,529
athlete all year round.

927
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:57,009
And truly when you look at shows and you
look at the level of competition even at

928
00:47:57,009 --> 00:48:02,749
like in the true novice class at these
shows you know this isn't like a four

929
00:48:02,749 --> 00:48:04,729
months and done sort of endeavor.

930
00:48:04,729 --> 00:48:06,603
And and really I don't know what the

931
00:48:06,603 --> 00:48:07,603
statistics are.

932
00:48:07,603 --> 00:48:11,563
But like I would say most people don't
just do one show.

933
00:48:11,563 --> 00:48:15,903
Like I think they do one show and and they
might prep for like seven years before

934
00:48:15,903 --> 00:48:18,963
they do another one, but they're kind of
always thinking about it because it is

935
00:48:18,963 --> 00:48:21,753
just so satisfying and you're so proud of
yourself, you know.

936
00:48:21,753 --> 00:48:26,003
And so if that's the case, you have to
think about your goals all year round and

937
00:48:26,003 --> 00:48:29,863
like, no, you're not laser focused in your
improvement season.

938
00:48:29,863 --> 00:48:34,423
You're like, you know, I remember one time
I was counting and I was like, I'm 385

939
00:48:34,423 --> 00:48:35,013
days out.

940
00:48:35,013 --> 00:48:36,523
Like it was really

941
00:48:36,523 --> 00:48:37,823
far away.

942
00:48:38,283 --> 00:48:40,563
but you know, was I laser focused the
entire time?

943
00:48:40,563 --> 00:48:44,543
No, you know, you've got to, you got to
have that time to just like, you know,

944
00:48:44,543 --> 00:48:45,803
give yourself a break.

945
00:48:45,803 --> 00:48:51,723
But did I take my vitamins every day and
pour out my measured water and drink my

946
00:48:51,723 --> 00:48:52,083
protein?

947
00:48:52,083 --> 00:48:57,103
Like I remember my, step kids when they
first kind of got used to me and my habits

948
00:48:57,103 --> 00:49:02,163
and you know, all of us living together
and I competed, you know, I'm making like,

949
00:49:02,163 --> 00:49:03,793
you know, chicken and rice and protein
pegs.

950
00:49:03,793 --> 00:49:06,443
And they're like, why are you doing a
competition?

951
00:49:06,443 --> 00:49:08,543
And I'm like, well, yeah, next summer.

952
00:49:08,543 --> 00:49:09,793
Well, why are you eating that?

953
00:49:09,793 --> 00:49:10,963
I'm like, because I eat this all the time.

954
00:49:10,963 --> 00:49:12,643
Like, this is how I eat, right?

955
00:49:12,643 --> 00:49:16,444
And so, yeah.

956
00:49:16,444 --> 00:49:20,124
the rain, but tomorrow he's smoking all my
chicken and I still have my carrots in the

957
00:49:20,124 --> 00:49:20,924
fridge.

958
00:49:21,084 --> 00:49:22,741
I love carrots and chicken.

959
00:49:22,741 --> 00:49:27,661
really do love that food and it doesn't
like it doesn't bother me like I will meal

960
00:49:27,661 --> 00:49:31,561
prep and take food with me You know to
Branson when we go on our family vacation

961
00:49:31,561 --> 00:49:37,121
like yeah i'm gonna have more freedom You
know and flex meals to play with and you

962
00:49:37,121 --> 00:49:40,941
know some little cheeky cocktails here and
there but like you know i'm probably i'm

963
00:49:40,941 --> 00:49:47,161
gonna train every day and i'm that's me
that's who I am and so it's sort of like I

964
00:49:47,161 --> 00:49:50,635
talked to somebody today about this is a
really cool thing that that she did

965
00:49:50,635 --> 00:49:53,965
and she evaluates her days.

966
00:49:53,965 --> 00:49:56,355
Is she an A or an O?

967
00:49:56,455 --> 00:49:59,995
And an A is an athlete and an O is old
version of you.

968
00:49:59,995 --> 00:50:04,045
And so if you treat yourself like an
athlete, you put an A.

969
00:50:04,045 --> 00:50:08,115
And if you are O, old version of you,
which might be, you know, self

970
00:50:08,115 --> 00:50:09,769
-sabotaging, you know...

971
00:50:09,769 --> 00:50:16,189
no consistency, you know, not following a
plan, not, not being intentional.

972
00:50:16,189 --> 00:50:20,389
And then sort of looking at your month and
going like, okay, did I have more A's than

973
00:50:20,389 --> 00:50:20,989
O's?

974
00:50:20,989 --> 00:50:23,379
And so I loved that.

975
00:50:23,379 --> 00:50:25,029
I thought, my, I'm totally stealing that.

976
00:50:25,029 --> 00:50:26,329
I don't know why I'm going to use it, but
I was stealing it.

977
00:50:26,329 --> 00:50:30,629
I think that's so great because that's
what you want to move towards in it.

978
00:50:30,629 --> 00:50:32,269
And that's not saying perfect.

979
00:50:32,269 --> 00:50:32,979
Nowhere in there.

980
00:50:32,979 --> 00:50:33,819
Did I say perfect?

981
00:50:33,819 --> 00:50:35,584
I said intentional.

982
00:50:35,584 --> 00:50:41,024
a grid and you mark A or O, A or O and
then after like 300 grids, like you know

983
00:50:41,024 --> 00:50:44,464
what I mean, like the grid paper that
people like kids get for algebra and

984
00:50:44,464 --> 00:50:45,304
stuff.

985
00:50:45,304 --> 00:50:47,184
But, yeah.

986
00:50:47,524 --> 00:50:51,324
But, that was a dumb question.

987
00:50:51,364 --> 00:50:52,493
But yeah, you.

988
00:50:52,493 --> 00:50:56,013
in my basement and grab some?

989
00:50:56,708 --> 00:51:02,365
and I have a school supply area because
yeah, what a waste.

990
00:51:02,365 --> 00:51:05,335
run a school for three frickin' years with
the stuff.

991
00:51:05,335 --> 00:51:06,615
And they bring it all home.

992
00:51:06,615 --> 00:51:08,405
I'm like, I don't need any more glue
sticks.

993
00:51:08,405 --> 00:51:09,875
They use Chromebooks for everything.

994
00:51:09,875 --> 00:51:12,685
I'm like, why do you even need 27 glue
sticks?

995
00:51:12,685 --> 00:51:13,196
Whatever.

996
00:51:13,196 --> 00:51:15,186
I have so many like binders and stuff in
there.

997
00:51:15,186 --> 00:51:17,416
But anyways, no, that's so the A &O.

998
00:51:17,416 --> 00:51:20,696
So then after like, it is, that is neat.

999
00:51:20,696 --> 00:51:22,377
Look at you beating up your mic.

1000
00:51:22,377 --> 00:51:23,837
know I'm like in that phase of prepper.

1001
00:51:23,837 --> 00:51:25,477
I really can't get comfortable.

1002
00:51:26,477 --> 00:51:28,367
so anyways, yeah, I thought that was
really cool.

1003
00:51:28,367 --> 00:51:34,577
And, and truly like that is like how I
view, my reverse and improvement season

1004
00:51:34,577 --> 00:51:35,057
now.

1005
00:51:35,057 --> 00:51:38,877
I don't think that was the case years ago
when I was still really battling with

1006
00:51:38,877 --> 00:51:43,237
eating issues and, you know, my food
relationship, but, you know, I came back

1007
00:51:43,237 --> 00:51:44,457
from a break.

1008
00:51:44,457 --> 00:51:47,957
in 2020 and that was when things were
really different for me.

1009
00:51:47,957 --> 00:51:51,397
A lot of things have changed in my life
and, and that is like kind of how I just

1010
00:51:51,397 --> 00:51:51,927
look at things.

1011
00:51:51,927 --> 00:51:55,697
It's like, you know, I'm not going to
stop, you know, taking my vitamins and my

1012
00:51:55,697 --> 00:51:57,577
pre -workout and my intro workout.

1013
00:51:57,577 --> 00:52:00,017
And I'm still going to go to the gym at
the same time every day.

1014
00:52:00,017 --> 00:52:03,917
Like I do now, like that is like just, and
honestly, cause that stuff makes me happy.

1015
00:52:03,917 --> 00:52:07,677
So, you know, I would ask every competitor
if they're like, I just, I don't want to

1016
00:52:07,677 --> 00:52:09,417
go to the gym and I don't want to eat
chicken.

1017
00:52:09,417 --> 00:52:12,517
And I'm like, well, okay, then maybe those
things don't make you happy.

1018
00:52:12,517 --> 00:52:12,757
Okay.

1019
00:52:12,757 --> 00:52:13,437
Well they do.

1020
00:52:13,437 --> 00:52:13,727
Okay.

1021
00:52:13,727 --> 00:52:14,411
Well then maybe we just.

1022
00:52:14,411 --> 00:52:17,751
need a little bit of variety, switch
things up a little bit so that you can

1023
00:52:17,751 --> 00:52:21,001
find, you know, maybe you need, you know,
a new gym.

1024
00:52:21,001 --> 00:52:26,151
Like maybe you need, you know, to go get
some new tennis shoes or, you know, a new

1025
00:52:26,151 --> 00:52:28,991
playlist or something just to switch
things up, spice it up a little bit so you

1026
00:52:28,991 --> 00:52:30,291
get excited again.

1027
00:52:30,291 --> 00:52:34,531
Because for some people it's really hard
when the show's over to stay motivated and

1028
00:52:34,531 --> 00:52:35,071
I get it.

1029
00:52:35,071 --> 00:52:36,811
I've been there for sure.

1030
00:52:37,380 --> 00:52:39,020
We both have.

1031
00:52:39,820 --> 00:52:43,190
So, well everybody, I hope you enjoyed
this episode.

1032
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:47,880
I hope you got some really good tips and a
little insight to us.

1033
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,069
I mean, we kind of shared some deep stuff
there.

1034
00:52:51,069 --> 00:52:55,249
I love when I hear from people that
they've like taken a nugget from our

1035
00:52:55,249 --> 00:52:58,889
episode, you know, because that's truly
like, I always say this is our passion

1036
00:52:58,889 --> 00:53:03,469
project because we make zero dollars doing
this and we just do it because we love it.

1037
00:53:03,489 --> 00:53:07,649
And I enjoy connecting with people and
hearing that, you know, we've benefited

1038
00:53:07,649 --> 00:53:11,709
your day, that you listen to us when
you're doing cardio and you got something

1039
00:53:11,709 --> 00:53:12,549
from it.

1040
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:14,959
So please, you know, just let us know.

1041
00:53:14,959 --> 00:53:16,239
And we're here for support too.

1042
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,469
If you're like, you know, want to talk and
you don't have anybody to talk to, I'm

1043
00:53:20,469 --> 00:53:20,683
here

1044
00:53:20,683 --> 00:53:23,023
before you just send me a DM, you know?

1045
00:53:24,523 --> 00:53:25,460
Yeah.

1046
00:53:25,460 --> 00:53:29,960
and if you ever ever especially because
I'm expediting the rest of the MPC Midwest

1047
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:35,320
shows this year if you ever see me at a
show during check -ins if you see me like

1048
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,520
and You want to take pictures or you want
to do anything or if you have any

1049
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,380
questions like feel free to like ask me I
know I've met quite a few people at shows

1050
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:48,740
I've expedited or been in and it really
like I It jolts me like

1051
00:53:48,740 --> 00:53:51,580
I, cause like you said, it is a passion
project.

1052
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,100
We, you and I got together back in
November, October and it's like, we want

1053
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:57,284
to share.

1054
00:53:57,284 --> 00:54:01,584
all as much as we possibly can to help as
many people as we possibly can understand

1055
00:54:01,584 --> 00:54:02,684
that you're not alone.

1056
00:54:02,684 --> 00:54:03,954
We all go through this.

1057
00:54:03,954 --> 00:54:05,964
We all, you know, are getting older.

1058
00:54:05,964 --> 00:54:07,014
We all love competing.

1059
00:54:07,014 --> 00:54:10,634
We all have goals outside of our kids, you
know, and we all want to be a better,

1060
00:54:10,634 --> 00:54:14,164
healthier version of ourselves and like
step on stage or in a bikini and like, we

1061
00:54:14,164 --> 00:54:15,504
want to share all this with you guys.

1062
00:54:15,504 --> 00:54:20,574
And so if you ever see either one of us,
like, my gosh, just like ask us anything,

1063
00:54:20,574 --> 00:54:21,884
let us know how you feel.

1064
00:54:21,884 --> 00:54:23,609
Give us feedback in person.

1065
00:54:23,609 --> 00:54:24,609
Yeah.

1066
00:54:24,609 --> 00:54:25,189
Yeah.

1067
00:54:25,189 --> 00:54:27,459
Then we like people will tell us like,
your mic is too quiet.

1068
00:54:27,459 --> 00:54:28,209
I'm like, I know.

1069
00:54:28,209 --> 00:54:28,989
Thank you.

1070
00:54:28,989 --> 00:54:33,189
You know, because we want to yeah, we want
to bring like, you know, an episode that's

1071
00:54:33,189 --> 00:54:34,969
enjoyable for you to listen to.

1072
00:54:34,969 --> 00:54:36,169
And we're still learning.

1073
00:54:36,169 --> 00:54:38,499
Like there is no training on how to do
this.

1074
00:54:38,499 --> 00:54:40,909
Like we're just like, OK, let's see how
this goes.

1075
00:54:40,909 --> 00:54:44,279
You know, no, it's we Googled it.

1076
00:54:45,149 --> 00:54:46,036
Yeah.

1077
00:54:46,036 --> 00:54:49,836
sometimes I have to talk to, I'm just
like, I'm learning.

1078
00:54:49,916 --> 00:54:51,856
We've gotten better about learning.

1079
00:54:52,325 --> 00:54:53,855
like, like analytics work.

1080
00:54:53,855 --> 00:54:58,245
Like when I found out we were like number
three in Spain or what kind of, some

1081
00:54:58,245 --> 00:55:00,965
country were like, I was like, yeah.

1082
00:55:00,969 --> 00:55:03,109
I don't know what it means, but I'm like,
that's awesome.

1083
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:06,549
But I don't really understand how it all
works because all I really care about is

1084
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:09,129
you guys and sharing what I know.

1085
00:55:09,129 --> 00:55:14,909
And the fact that anyone's interested in
my boring life is like fascinating to me

1086
00:55:14,909 --> 00:55:19,909
that I'm like, you know, but I really it
really is just fills my heart to do this.

1087
00:55:19,909 --> 00:55:22,069
So I'm tired.

1088
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:23,789
I love you guys.

1089
00:55:26,249 --> 00:55:26,876
Thanks.

1090
00:55:26,876 --> 00:55:31,056
any of your thoughts and feedback and
we'll see you next week.

1091
00:55:31,056 --> 00:55:32,176
Bye!