Outbound Isn’t Dead, But It’s 10x Harder with Todd Busler

What’s behind the rise of acronyms like CBM?

Is “Vibe Growth Marketing Manager” even a real job?

What does it take to build a pipeline through genuine relationships instead of volume?

Those are the three big topics we’re covering in this episode of GTM News Desk. Todd Busler, CEO and co-founder of Champify, joins us to share why contact-level data is changing how marketers operate, what it really means for outbound to be ten times harder, and why the best GTM teams emphasize specificity, relationships, and long-term trust.

Jump into the action:

(00:00) Welcome to GTM News Desk
(03:08) What contact-based marketing is really trying to fix

(09:50) Should marketers actually chase the “vibe” in GTM?

(16:08) Todd Busler on scaling sales from Heap to Champify

(19:27) Outbound is 10x harder in 2025

(23:14) Three outbound tactics that outperform generic cadences

(27:50) How to turn past users into future champions

(34:30) Uniting sales and marketing under a smarter outbound motion

Our sources from today’s headlines:

• Another Annoying Acronym: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joshuaperk_matt-bilotti-was-the-reason-vector-took-off-activity-7338179219731980291-LWaF?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAFemkUB1QHA4V_1UyGT2RF53rLzjQQoH20 
• Vibe Growth Marketing Manager – new GTM role or 2025 AI-fueled fever dream?: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tadavidson41_i-cant-tell-if-the-ramp-hiring-crew-is-just-activity-7338353287051603968-RXnX?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAABQUL_EB4SQeMltsv6dKesrVkIS0h_7YYQU 

To hear Todd’s perspective on first-party signals, relationship-driven plays, and why the messenger matters more than the message, check out the extended conversation on TACK Insider: https://tackinsider.com/

Connect with Todd Busler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-busler/  

Check out Todd’s podcast Cracking Outbound: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cracking-outbound/id1803014111 

Produced in partnership with: https://shareyourgenius.com/

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Mark Kilens and Rachel Elsts Downey give it to you straight - what you’re doing wrong, what you’re doing right, and how to level up your GTM game. They dish out the latest trends, buyer behaviours, and proven plays you can put into action now. From aligning sales, marketing, and RevOps to closing deals at a clip you didn’t think possible, this podcast gives you B2B’s greatest playbooks and lays out the ‘tactics’ to avoid like the plague.

Mark and Rachel take their decades of collective experience working with top B2B brands like HubSpot and Drift and combine them with the GTM expert insights you need to create an impactful GTM strategy for your business.