What does it look like for the Church to return to the way of Jesus in a world shaped by systems, success metrics, and institutional expectations?
In this episode, Preston Ulmer sits down with Bishop Walter Harvey to explore how churches can move beyond measuring success by attendance and programs and instead become communities marked by love, discipleship, and meaningful engagement with their neighborhoods.
Together, they unpack why intimacy with Jesus must remain at the center of the Church, the dangers of idolizing church structures, and how congregations of any size can create lasting, systemic change. From listening to the real needs of a community to empowering marketplace leaders through the With Movement, this conversation offers practical encouragement for pastors, church leaders, and anyone longing to see the Church embody the love of Jesus in tangible ways.
In this episode, you'll discover:
- Why success can become a stumbling block for the Church
- How to measure ministry through faithfulness rather than numbers
- Practical ways churches can engage and serve their local communities
- Why love is the defining ethic of Jesus' followers
- How business and entrepreneurship can become tools for justice and discipleship
- Simple next steps for churches seeking greater community impact
What is Losing The Way?
Losing the Way is an investigative-style podcast that asks how modern Christianity, especially evangelicalism, may have drifted from the original “Way” of Jesus. Through thoughtful conversations with scholars, pastors, and practitioners, each episode explores where that drift happened, why it matters, and what it might look like to recover a faith shaped more by Jesus’ life than by culture, power, or certainty. It’s not about tearing down the church, but about rediscovering the path that first made it good news.