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Rupert Isaacson: Welcome to Live Free
Ride Free, where we talk to people who

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have lived self-actualized lives on
their own terms, and find out how they

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got there, what they do, how we can
get there, what we can learn from them.

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How to live our best lives, find
our own definition of success,

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and most importantly, find joy.

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I'm your host, Rupert Isaacson.

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New York Times bestselling
author of the Horse Boy.

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Founder of New Trails Learning
Systems and long ride home.com.

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You can find details of all our programs
and shows on Rupert isaacson.com.

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welcome back to Live Free, ride
Free, where we talk to people who

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live self-actualized lives and find
out how they got there,  what they

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do,  what keeps them going,  and what
their insights are for how the rest

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of us can,  live this way as well.

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I'm a firm believer that this is the
birthright of everybody on the planet.

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and so the more mentorship
all of us get, the better.

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so without further ado, I'm going
to,  introduce today's guest.

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And today's guest is probably, if you
were to look up in the dictionary,

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self-actualized, there'd be a picture of
this person or their ought to be anyway,

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cuz I can't really think of anyone I
know, even though I know so many have

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met, so many privileged to meet so many
people living self-actualized lives.

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but Linda Tellington Jones is as
self-actualized as it gets, and you don't

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have to be a horse person, even though.

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She is a horse person to know about her.

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There's many people who know about
Tillington Touch,  through dogs.

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There are people who know about
Tillington, touch through horses,

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people who know about Linda Tillington
Jones through,  healing Techniques.

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people who just know about her because
she's a jolly, jolly interesting,  human

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being alive on planet Earth today.

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and I've been,  grateful and honored
to know Linda for well over a decade,

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and even to work together on occasion.

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and I've always been,
fascinated by the egolessness.

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that's a, a tough act to follow, Linda,
where you're gonna come on in a minute

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when I say your ego listeners, but I have
met a lot of,  well-known people and it's

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not easy to keep the ego out of the way.

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We're only human.

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and I've always been,  a bit
intrigued about how you manage that.

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So we're gonna, I'm gonna
be asking you about that.

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And then also, if any of you are
ever lucky enough to actually

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be in the same room as an
entertaining Jones, here is my tip.

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Ask her to put her hands on you.

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Tea touch is not just an idea.

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It's, it's a real thing.

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And,  I remember the first
time,  Linda put her hands on me.

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the reaction was, As powerful as
with any shaman in the Kalahari I've

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ever been with or anything like that.

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There's something flowing
through Linda Tillington Jones.

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but it also flows through in a way that
she can impart this knowledge to other

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people and has been doing this for
about 30 years or more, 40 probably.

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And so anyway, I've blabbered enough.

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I'm just begging you up,
Linda, because you are big.

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How come one not big you up.

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So here we are, Linda.

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Thank you so much for coming on the show.

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Linda TJ: Well, it's my pleasure
and I'm very excited when you say

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there's something in my hands,
I tell you what's in my hands.

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That's in all of your, potentially in
every, the hands on, every person on this

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planet is the realization that this, that
this bodies that we have, we are miracles.

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Rupert, and I say this because I the
realization that, wait a minute, do

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you know how your blood flows, what
it is that makes your blood flow,

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how you can move your arm, why your
lymph works, why the hormones work?

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We are living miracles.

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And it's so interesting because I, I'd
like to tell you my story and maybe

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it will be inspiring to some of your
listeners who realize paying attention

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to the what comes to us outta the
blue, so to speak, intuitively from.

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The, as I see it today, the
quantum field there for everyone.

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So you want to know how
I started on this path?

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First of all, it's I keep this little
box for a reminder of what started me

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on this path that I'm on right now.

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And this, I'm gonna take this
outta here and show it to you.

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I've kept it over all these years
and I, for my 30th birthday,

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I'm now eight coming up to 86.

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I'm 85, it's here.

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And I saw an advertisement in the San
Francisco Chronicle that said for $5 you

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can get,  one of the first astrological
charts done on a computer and.

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It was my understanding that
that particular computer was in

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Stanford research in, in Stanford
basement, university basement.

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I don't know if that's true, but
that's the story that I've been

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telling myself all these years.

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So I sent my $5 and I got this little book
and it says, your portrait in the stars,

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an astrological psychoanalysis of you.

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And it's all this beautiful
little book coming.

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I say Beautiful, carefully done.

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Like with a ribbon tied hole punch.

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Remember how we did
these mimeograph things?

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I mean, it's so interesting.

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And this is 98 pages.

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And what I got from those pages
has, has directed my life.

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It's that in your lifetime you will f
you will develop a form of communication

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that will spread around the world.

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Huh, interesting.

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And in order to do so, you must
learn to trust your intuition.

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Huh.

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It's interesting that I.

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Read that.

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That's only two sentences
in that, all of those pages.

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But that's what I take away with
me and that's what I've carried

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with me over all these years.

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And so of course my question is,
first of all, what communication?

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I was thinking it was just the year it,
within the time when we were starting

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to get videos and I thought maybe it's a
way of getting my workout through video.

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And then I thought, okay, intuition.

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And my first husband went to West
Ellington, bless his soul because

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I wouldn't be here without him.

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he was really into science and
spirituality and we had a big library

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and I just went to the library and
reached up and picked out a book,

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not, I didn't know what it was.

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I pulled it out and it happened
to be a Rosa Crucian book.

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And I opened it and I looked
up the definition of intuition

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and it was unlearned knowledge.

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Today, Rupert, I know thanks to
quantum science, that unlearn

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knowledge is available without
the library to all of us.

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We just have to listen and it's all here.

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Every thought that was ever thought
is here in the quantum field, and

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we just have to listen and trust.

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So what has led me and you, I want you
to interrupt me at any time because,

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Rupert Isaacson: I do have two questions.

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Okay.

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Go.

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Question number one, how old
were you when you,  answered this

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ad in San Francisco Chronicle

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Linda TJ: third.

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That was for my 30th birthday.

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I gift your 30th

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Rupert Isaacson: birthday Okay.

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For my 30th birthday.

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Second question, have you spoken to
anybody else who got,  who, who did

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a similar,  astrological portrait?

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It would be interesting to
know what was said to them.

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I mean, that's in the church.

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Yeah.

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The third question is what
was the work that you were

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considering videoing at that time?

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What year are we talking here?

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Linda TJ: we're talking 1967 and I
had a international school writing

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school for instructors, Pacific Coast
Equestrian Research Farm and School of

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Horseman Chip at Badger, California.

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We had students who came to us
from,  36 states and eight and

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nine countries around the world.

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So

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Rupert Isaacson: back up.

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Long before you get this
thing for your 30th birthday.

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30 is a young age to be running,  a
riding and horsemanship academy that's

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international with international clients
coming in As someone who's run such

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things myself, I know what's entailed
and I don't think I could have done it

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Linda TJ: at 30.

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Well, I couldn't either.

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I was the riding teacher with my
husband went for Killington, who

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was 20 years older than I, and who
had,  you know, he'd gone to Ann over

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and  and  and he was a horseman too.

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He was also a horseman.

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And I have a, a, an a beautiful
picture of him riding and jumping,

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which I just came about,  on.

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And then I realized it's
in this book Strike.

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A long to trot,  legendary
horsewoman, Linda Teton Jones.

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It's the story of my school
written by Shannon Weel, who was

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a student in 1967 for a year.

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And she and I have stayed
in touch all these years.

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She's an amazing human
being today in her own Rio.

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Rupert Isaacson: So what work
were you doing at this writing

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academy that you wanted to bring
out to the world at that point?

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What was different about that than
any other writing school, even if it

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was a very high level writing school?

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What stood out?

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What made you think this is
something we need to communicate?

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Because

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Linda TJ: we had a way of
teaching writing that was logical.

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So we had 30 points of the balance sheet.

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And you see, Rupert, we, in order
to come to our school, you had to

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have 10 years of writing experience.

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And they came from all over the
country and they came with many

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different styles of writing.

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And our writing was
based on the US cavalry.

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American style of balance seat riding.

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And so rather than our, and I,
I know this was the influence of

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both my parents and of my husband.

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And then as, rather than make
people wrong and saying, you're

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doing it wrong, we showed what we
wanted instead of making them wrong.

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Because some people came
from saddle feet riding.

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You know, they came
from the jumping world.

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They came from dressage, they came from,
in those days for many different styles.

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And in the country, like western riding
was different on the East Coast or Texas.

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And rather than say, you're not, this
is not the way we want you to ride.

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We, we gave them this choice.

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This is a way of you, all you have
to do is change your saddle and the

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length of stir up and you can go into
these different seats that you want and

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understand what seat it is that you're
actually wanting to do for this purpose.

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Because of course, we also did
a hundred mile endurance riding.

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So you have a different
seat for a jumper dressage.

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And that's what we taught.

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It was a, thanks to my husband Wentworth.

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Tellington.

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It was a logical way of riding.

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Rupert Isaacson: So would you say that
you were teaching, you were taking

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these writers from all these disciplines
with all these different seats?

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And by the way, for those listeners
who are not,  horse people, the seat

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is your point of balance on the horse.

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And it's not just your us it's,
it goes from your mid thigh up to

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sort of just below your ribcage.

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Really.

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It's all the, everything that's.

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Keeps you in balance on the horse.

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But because there are all these
separate disciplines of riding

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that are really quite radically
different, there are radically

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different ways of sitting the horse.

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And each one of them is, is correct
in its own discipline, but many

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people do not cross disciplines.

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So my question is, were you guys coming
up with a sort of a, a neutral on the gear

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stick saying, okay, you've got all these
different gears you can ride in, but you

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need to come back to n on the, on the gear
stick or so, so that you can be versatile

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and branch out into all these things?

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Or will you stick something different?

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Linda TJ: Well, depending upon who, what,
who your student was, what, what the breed

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of horse was, what the competition was.

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Okay.

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Western English, they had to, in
order to graduate, they had to,

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compete in a western pleasure class.

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They had to ride a 50 mile
endurance ride successfully.

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They had to, compete in
dressage and in jumping.

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It was, and that means you had to know
how to teach that those different styles

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successfully, depending upon which part
of the country you were in or world.

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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

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And then what, when these people
graduated from your school at that

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point in your life, what did they, what
advantage did they have professionally?

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Did they have some sort of accredited,
qualification that helped them get

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better paying jobs in the horse industry?

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Or what was, what was the incentive?

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Or was it just pure personal development?

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Linda TJ: Well, first of all, it was
the intent for those who wanted to

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be writing instructors or trainers to
turn out people who knew how to dress.

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And we had a dress code, so you
had to come to dinner in a dress.

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And I will tell you the first, even me,

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Rupert Isaacson: would you have found

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Linda TJ: a dress?

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Not the guys, no, only the women.

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And that was a real hazard for some woman.

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The first year we put that out, one
woman didn't come to dinner for, I don't

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know, it was probably, possibly a week.

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She wanted to eat in a room
because she'd never worn a skirt.

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A little interesting.

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Rupert Isaacson: Why did
you have this dress code?

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What was, what was the,  what
was the objective with that?

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Linda TJ: Well, that was the
objective, to turn out people

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who had a, a level of respect.

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And, not just come to dinner in your
barn clothes, because we had candlelight

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dinners and my husband, Wentworth
played the classical grand piano.

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And we had a, we have very large
grand piano in our dining room.

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And one of the things we did, Ruby, in
our school, do you remember, there are

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many famous teachers who are famous
because they throw rocks at their

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students, or they yell and scream at them.

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What we wanted to do was teach respect,
respect for the horse, and respect for

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yourself and respect for other people.

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So riding was not done from the p I
mean, teaching was not done from the

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point of view of making someone wrong.

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It was, how can we make them right?

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How can we acknowledge that
they're doing the best they can?

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And how can we, with logic, show them
how to come to these places of balance

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and understand what they're doing?

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Rupert Isaacson: So when
people,  graduated from your.

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Program, what did they go on to do?

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What was to them was the objective of

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Linda TJ: coming?

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Well, actually, there, there
were, I think, two objectives.

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One, I would say to people, the
horse world is a very hard business.

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If you love horses, come
and spend a year with us.

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Learn, do the, you know, really learn
how to ride, and if you wanna show,

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you'll know how to be successful and
ch and go to university and choose

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a career that will make you enough
money that you can afford to have your

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horses and not have them as a business.

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But for those who did want to go on and
teach, I have in the back of this book

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are some of our successful teachers.

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And,  it's really lovely to hear
from some of 'em who went on and

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ran very big writing programs.

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And,

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Rupert Isaacson: So you also taught
them how to run a business and make

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it work for themselves professionally,
not just, here's the technique,

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here's how to be a good technician.

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Linda TJ: That's right.

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Okay.

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And also, like every fri we had
during the day, they would get up

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in the morning, each person had two
horses to look after in this table.

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And,  then we would have
breakfast and have two hours of

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writing lessons in the morning.

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And then you'd have in the afternoon
they had a, a study period and, and

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other free writing if they wanted.

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Okay.

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And then in, we had dinner, dressed
for dinner, and then after dinner

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there was a study period and every
Friday there was a two hour test

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on everything to do with horses.

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And we still have those tests and they're
really interesting to look at them today.

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I couldn't pass it today.

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I have forgotten so much stuff.

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Oh my God.

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So it's really, it was, it
was an incredible school.

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Rupert Isaacson: So let's just back
up a bit, because you are already

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here in mid-career, and now, and
after running this school, you

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decide, okay, we've got something
really good to communicate,  about

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horses and horsemanship to the world.

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But your story starts way before that.

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So let's back up.

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Where are you born and when?

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Linda TJ: I was born in 19, 37 in
Edmonton, Alberta at 7 39 in the morning.

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It's actually on my
astrological chart here.

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I have three grand tris in my chart.

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Pretty interesting.

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What

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Rupert Isaacson: are those?

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For those of us who are not as, as,

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Linda TJ: I don't, I
dunno how to describe it.

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Every astrologer who looks
at the thing says, oh my God,

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you've got three grand prize.

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I don't know what that means.

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Okay.

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Rupert Isaacson: It means,
it means,  look out world.

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Okay.

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and your are born in Edmonton.

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Are your parents horsey?

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What are your, who, what
are you, your parents?

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Linda TJ: Oh, my parents are so
incredible and I, I wish I'd have

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could pull up quickly screen share
with you,  some pictures here because,

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I had to ride to school, Robert,
for the first six years of my life.

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When I was six years old, we lived, my
dad, had gone to hel help my grandfather.

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Well, first of all, when I was, we lived
in Edmonton, and then when I was three,

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we moved to Yellowknife in the Northwest
Territory for my dad to help my mother's

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dad with a gold mine that he had.

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Ah, so I, one of the first pictures
that I have with me is,  with me, with

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a baby bear lying on my aunts lap.

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And I'm standing there with my fingers
in the, in the, on the ear of the bear.

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And it's so interesting, there's a German,
a German saying in German says, so began

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the master because Eti touch is one of
the big things that we do to gain trust.

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And,  and so here I am with
my f my little tiny fingers.

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I was 11 months old standing there
with my fingers on the baby bear's ear.

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And my, my, my, my father had rescued
that bear because the mother had been

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shot and the bear was left alone.

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So we raised it and then,
I mean, they raised it, but

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rescued it and then released it.

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So that was my first introduction to that.

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So then we moved to, to ed, back
to, my, my father working with my.

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Let's see, with his father James
Hood and on his wheat and pig farm,

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because it was during the war and
there was a big war effort, you know,

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f to raise food for the war effort.

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And so at six years old, the school that
I would go to would a with a one room

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schoolhouse and, you know, six rows.

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And,  I was a long walk
for a six year old.

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So I, with my cousins,
rode our horses to school.

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So my dad took me to a riding stable.

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I remember this part, and the guy brought
out a horse and I got on the horses

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back and that nobody told me what to do.

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And the horse immediately took me back
into the barn at the walk, fortunately.

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And so my dad bought this horse
named Trixie, and we have some

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really, some very nice looking mayor.

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And, I rode at a school, and you're
going to get a giggle out of this.

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One day I was late and my
cousins didn't wait for me.

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They were like a eighth of a mile
up the road on the way to school.

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So,  I headed out and when I got
to the gate, my horse wouldn't go

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because she was, had to go alone.

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And I gave her a whack with the
reins and she immediately turned

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and dumped me on the ground.

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I say that I'm shorter than my sister
Robin, because I landed on my head.

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So anyway, I led her home.

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I remember what I remember is marching
home, putting her in the stable,

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walking to the house, getting a clothes
pin from my mother's clothes basket,

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walking to the barn and clipping
the clothes pin on her ears to show

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her that she couldn't do that to me.

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Isn't that funniest thing?

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So we say that's the first ear t touch

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Rupert Isaacson: that was
a closed pin in your ear,

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Linda TJ: A closed spin.

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Like I'm sure

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Rupert Isaacson: she And what did

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Linda TJ: she think of that?

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I didn't ask her.

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I thought she thought, wow,
this kid really lost it.

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Rupert Isaacson: Did you then remount
her and write to school or were you just

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Linda TJ: making I don't remember.

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Okay.

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I'm sure I didn't because I couldn't have.

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Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.

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So at what point do you go from just
purely,  functional transport based horse,

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you know, riding to discovering you are
gonna be doing this,  as a vocation?

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How, how does this play out in
your childhood and adolescence?

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Linda TJ: Well, it's quite interesting
because,  when I was nine, my dad

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moved to, we moved to the outskirts of
Edmonton, Alberta, which was the capital

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of Alberta, and he had,  Rented a farm
from my uncle Alf and,  for a dairy farm.

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And so on the way we drove by a riding
stable, which was just a couple of miles

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from where, from the farm, the dairy farm.

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And,  as we drove by, there was a quadri
of horses in a big arena practicing.

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And I asked my dad if I could take
lessons because I'd never had a left name.

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No one had ever showed me
what to do with horses.

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I've been riding every
day for three years.

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So, he said, yes, if you can get a job.

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So the next Saturday, he dropped me off at
the gate and I marched in and I asked Mrs.

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Metall, you know, I said who
I was, and I asked if I could

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trade lessons for, working.

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I thought I would be cleaning
stalls or equipment or something.

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And so she asked me about,
you know, did I ride?

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And I told her, and then she put me,
she had really, really good horses

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and some lovely ponies for kids.

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And besides, so she put me on a pony.

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And then on a horse, and she saw that I
could ride and I never cleaned a stall.

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I was one of those kids
that just got to ride.

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So I would go home, like I'd ride to
school, I'd ride home, and then I'd

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ride in the other direction to, to the
stable every day, rain or shine or snow.

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And then I would ride two or three
horses and every Tuesday, Mrs.

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Meall would have us in for dinner,
the students who were really active.

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And  we would have lessons on,
you know, bits and, and ailments

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and illnesses and feeding.

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She had an amazing feeding program
with so many huge bins of herbs.

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And it was a really incredible
background that I had from this woman.

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She was well known and, and she
had many good show horses and

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many clients with show horses.

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So you've got a question, so,

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Rupert Isaacson: well you said herbs and
you, you are talking now in the forties.

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People feeling herbs to horses.

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I know having grown up in Lestershire
in the UK and horse country, that

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there were certain old school horse
people who knew the herbs, but most

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people, by the time I, arrived on the
horse scene, it was largely forgotten.

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And people even, and the,
you know, small family feed.

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Mills.

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That one used to put together one zone
14 that was there when I was a small

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boy, but that had basically gone by the
time my adolescence hit and everything

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was mass produced at that point.

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Tell me about the herbs and tell me
about, cuz I know this is gonna, this,

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this must have,  informed to some degree
your, later career in holistic healing.

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So te tell me about the, her use of
herbs and what did you pick up from this?

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Linda TJ: Well, what I picked up
is that she really knew what she

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was doing, and that's something
that she did not teach us.

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But where I picked it up from
your country, where you come

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from is the Hilton herbs.

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Because as soon as, first of all at our
research farm, Wentworth was, and we

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have these wonderful pictures because
we had a newsletter that went out to

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20 countries of the, from the research
farm, and he was drying,  th kelp a

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certain form of sea kelp drying it and
then free feeding it to our horses.

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And then he also developed a form of
what he called vitamins and mineral mix

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that he brewed from all kinds of stuff.

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It was amazing and we sold that all over.

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And the seek kelp was, when you look
at now, seek kelp is a really great

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product that's out there, but we, yeah.

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Not fashionable.

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Yeah.

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We were the first, we being my
husband, Wentworth was the first

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to bring that up at our research

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Rupert Isaacson: firm.

00:25:04.214 --> 00:25:04.514
Okay.

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I'm gonna, we're gonna get back
to Wentworth and your research

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farm in a minute, but I still
feel we got a few years to cover.

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So there you are, you're riding your, you
you're riding to school, you're riding

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home, you're riding to the stables, you're
starting to ride horses professionally.

00:25:16.614 --> 00:25:19.094
Now as a, as a pre-adolescent.

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What happens then?

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How do you, and you're still
way up in northern Canada.

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You're a long way from California.

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You're a long way from this international
career that you've had for the

00:25:29.169 --> 00:25:31.494
last, you know,  45 or more years.

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How does that evolve?

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How do you drift self and
into this cosmopolitan world?

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Linda TJ: Well, let's see where, well,
first of all, one of the things that

00:25:44.204 --> 00:25:50.134
people marvel at is that the fact that
I'm willing at ecu, I don't know, perhaps

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you'll see me get on many different horses
that I've never seen before and take the

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bridal off and ride them with no bridal.

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Rupert Isaacson: I will,
let me just jump in there.

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Okay.

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Please.

00:26:01.594 --> 00:26:02.884
Just for the, just for the listeners.

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All right.

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So if the listeners who,
dunno what e quana is.

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E quana is the German trade fair.

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For the horse industry that
happens every couple of years,

00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:11.839
in essence, world's largest.

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It's, it's, it's, it's a monster.

00:26:13.969 --> 00:26:14.779
It's, it's huge.

00:26:14.829 --> 00:26:17.749
If, if you think horses are
a fringe thing, think again.

00:26:18.049 --> 00:26:20.239
If you think, think like
Frankfurt book Fair as Frank

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Foot book fair is for publishing.

00:26:22.219 --> 00:26:25.219
This is for the horse industry
in it's international, global.

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That's the first thing that's a big deal.

00:26:27.229 --> 00:26:28.129
And Linda's always that.

00:26:28.309 --> 00:26:31.429
But the second thing is she says, oh
yes, I, I just hop on up on people's

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horses and,  bridal us and so on.

00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:35.459
I will attest to this.

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I was, I dunno if you
remember this, Linda.

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We were, me and Liliana were
helping you at one of your,

00:26:41.889 --> 00:26:44.209
workshops in Texas a few years ago.

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And if you, I dunno if you remember,
a really, really strong, northern

00:26:48.859 --> 00:26:53.779
came in, which is a, a, a weather
front where the winds gust up to,

00:26:53.929 --> 00:26:57.149
you know, 60 miles an hour or more,
and the temperature goes down,  you

00:26:57.149 --> 00:26:58.889
know, 30, 40 degrees in half an hour.

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It's a Texas winter phenomenon.

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And it goes from sort of subtropical
to subar really fast and it tends

00:27:04.419 --> 00:27:05.919
to send horses absolutely nuts.

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And there was this,  very, very,
very flighty,  Egyptian Arab mayor

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who was there, not human but horse.

00:27:14.679 --> 00:27:17.259
And for those in the horse world,
they know that's a, you know,

00:27:17.289 --> 00:27:21.099
at, at, at best, it can be a
somewhat dangerous horse to get on.

00:27:21.309 --> 00:27:22.599
This horse was going a little bit nuts.

00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.169
The owner couldn't really control
it and we thought, oh, well, I'm

00:27:26.169 --> 00:27:29.319
sure Linda would probably just take
that one out to go back to the box.

00:27:30.129 --> 00:27:31.569
No, Linda aged.

00:27:32.544 --> 00:27:38.094
Probably at that point, 78 or so, just
gets on, just gets on in this highway

00:27:38.574 --> 00:27:44.094
in with this horse who's clearly losing
it and the horse ceases to lose it.

00:27:44.964 --> 00:27:48.384
And I remember my wife IA and
I look at each other going,

00:27:49.044 --> 00:27:51.084
oh, that's a horse woman.

00:27:51.524 --> 00:27:51.814
Okay.

00:27:52.014 --> 00:27:55.524
So that's, that's, it's not something
that's, for those of you who are not

00:27:55.524 --> 00:27:58.284
horsey, that's not something people do.

00:27:58.614 --> 00:28:00.114
Not if you wanna stay outta hospital.

00:28:00.594 --> 00:28:03.294
So, okay, we rewind.

00:28:03.324 --> 00:28:08.214
I just need to, so you're saying,
okay, people often remark on the fact

00:28:08.219 --> 00:28:10.614
that it's remarkable that you get
up on these horses without a bridal.

00:28:10.614 --> 00:28:11.874
Yes, it is true.

00:28:12.084 --> 00:28:12.384
Go on.

00:28:13.344 --> 00:28:16.884
Linda TJ: So my background
for that is this stable Mrs.

00:28:16.884 --> 00:28:22.164
Alice Metall because she had many
people with really beautiful horses,

00:28:22.164 --> 00:28:25.674
but they didn't have the confidence to
show on the Edmonton Spring Horse Show.

00:28:26.034 --> 00:28:29.154
And the Edmonton Spring horse show
was like Madison Square Gardens.

00:28:29.244 --> 00:28:29.274
Okay.

00:28:29.514 --> 00:28:34.104
It started on a SAT one Saturday
and went every day from eight in the

00:28:34.104 --> 00:28:37.314
morning till 11 at night with classes.

00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.884
And in those days we had horses
like, oh, it wasn't unusual to

00:28:40.884 --> 00:28:42.864
have 40 horses in a pleasure class.

00:28:43.434 --> 00:28:46.314
And of course that many
in jumping and all that.

00:28:46.854 --> 00:28:50.664
So,  it was my job because I was a
kid who was there every day riding

00:28:50.664 --> 00:28:53.304
like two or three horses after school.

00:28:53.769 --> 00:28:59.049
In no arenas, you all, I mean, you had
to be, you know, I've been described as

00:28:59.049 --> 00:29:05.589
tough as a boiled owl, and I think that
comes from riding in the dark in the snow.

00:29:05.594 --> 00:29:11.319
We had a few lights out there, but it was
not pleasant, but it was really an amazing

00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.729
thing riding the, all these different
horses from other, from, from the Metall

00:29:16.439 --> 00:29:20.259
cl group of horses and from from clients.

00:29:20.259 --> 00:29:24.759
And so I would, they'd take a horse
to a horse show and I would have

00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:29.139
10 minutes to get on that horse and
get it ready to go in the class.

00:29:29.199 --> 00:29:30.979
And I won way more than my share.

00:29:30.999 --> 00:29:36.879
And I know why, Rupert, I didn't go
into win when I got on that horse, my

00:29:36.884 --> 00:29:41.289
message to the horse and I realized
today we can talk about energy

00:29:41.349 --> 00:29:44.709
because we know what energy is, and
I wanna talk about that in a minute.

00:29:45.639 --> 00:29:50.859
But I would give the horse the impression,
what can we do together in this time that

00:29:50.859 --> 00:29:55.809
we have that will make you, give you as
much joy as I am having of being with you?

00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:58.509
That was my, that

00:29:58.509 --> 00:30:00.369
Rupert Isaacson: was just repeat
that, that, that's a really, that's

00:30:00.374 --> 00:30:02.529
a, not that I just did a double take.

00:30:03.249 --> 00:30:03.849
Repeat that.

00:30:03.854 --> 00:30:04.959
Your message to the horse.

00:30:05.724 --> 00:30:09.324
Linda TJ: That I, I wanted this horse to
know, I wanted the horse to have as good a

00:30:09.324 --> 00:30:13.674
time with me, whatever we were going to do
together as I would have with that horse.

00:30:14.424 --> 00:30:15.534
So it wasn't about me.

00:30:15.534 --> 00:30:17.484
That's where the eagerness comes in.

00:30:17.774 --> 00:30:19.964
And I, that's a practice, Rupert.

00:30:20.204 --> 00:30:22.874
It's not that I get on, I'm
gonna show this horse what to do.

00:30:22.904 --> 00:30:26.384
No, we're going to go in and do something
here together in this group of horses.

00:30:26.924 --> 00:30:31.874
And my mother was very important
because my mother would sit on the

00:30:31.874 --> 00:30:35.774
edge of the arena, and I remember
her like, almost every time I

00:30:35.779 --> 00:30:38.414
come around smile, dear smile.

00:30:39.044 --> 00:30:46.004
And she had no idea that when you smile,
when you are on a horse or anytime you

00:30:46.004 --> 00:30:48.264
smile, you activate the feel good hormone.

00:30:48.524 --> 00:30:53.234
The serotonin, the horse feels that,
that's been shown through these, you know,

00:30:53.239 --> 00:30:58.544
these, these, the, this research that's
been done with the mirror neurons, how

00:30:58.544 --> 00:31:04.304
we mirror this feeling and it activates
that part of the brain that feels good.

00:31:04.304 --> 00:31:05.864
So the horse feels good too.

00:31:06.644 --> 00:31:07.424
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, absolutely.

00:31:07.424 --> 00:31:09.944
That's, it's actually my
standard go-to when I get on a

00:31:09.949 --> 00:31:11.234
young horse that I'm afraid of.

00:31:11.624 --> 00:31:14.294
Cause I secretly am quite
afraid, quite often when I get

00:31:14.299 --> 00:31:15.644
on client's horses, I do that.

00:31:15.644 --> 00:31:18.645
I plaster this big old grin
on my face and it works.

00:31:19.094 --> 00:31:20.834
I'm like, suddenly my body relaxes.

00:31:20.834 --> 00:31:22.154
And the horse is like,
oh, this isn't so bad.

00:31:22.154 --> 00:31:23.114
And I'm like, exactly.

00:31:23.384 --> 00:31:24.974
And then, and then it isn't.

00:31:25.124 --> 00:31:25.784
Absolutely.

00:31:25.964 --> 00:31:27.764
But where did you get this from?

00:31:27.864 --> 00:31:32.439
So th this inner message that you're
saying to the horse, Let this be as joyful

00:31:32.439 --> 00:31:34.509
for you as I would like it to be for me.

00:31:35.009 --> 00:31:37.109
Was that a decision, was that
something you'd overheard?

00:31:37.109 --> 00:31:40.919
Was that part of some system of
ethics that was,  talked about by a

00:31:40.924 --> 00:31:42.389
mentor or someone you looked up to?

00:31:42.569 --> 00:31:45.299
Or was that something more intuitive
and innate, or was it some combo?

00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:50.879
Linda TJ: What comes to my mind when
you ask me that question is my, my

00:31:50.969 --> 00:32:00.599
great-uncle standing with me in the stable
when I was wor I, I was given a book

00:32:00.809 --> 00:32:02.879
when, so first of all, go back to Mrs.

00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:07.529
Meall and the way she started horses
was in the round pen, bucking them

00:32:07.529 --> 00:32:13.319
out, and she had so many injuries and
she'd been, had so many broken bones

00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:18.479
because the horse, they had like an
eight foot high round pants, small,

00:32:18.809 --> 00:32:22.679
and she just saddled the horse, get
on it and bucket, bucket out, right.

00:32:22.739 --> 00:32:24.239
So she was hurt a lot of times.

00:32:24.659 --> 00:32:30.749
And one day I was riding home from
a stable and an old man walked out

00:32:31.169 --> 00:32:36.969
on with a cane and a book in his
hand and he said his, his,  porch.

00:32:37.989 --> 00:32:43.359
Gave him a view of the, the riding arena
right behind him and the round band.

00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:47.829
And he said he had seen me riding
by everyday rain, snow, or shine.

00:32:48.309 --> 00:32:52.929
And he wanted me to have this book
and it was a book written by an

00:32:52.929 --> 00:32:56.919
America cavalry officer on how to
start young horses without bucking.

00:32:57.609 --> 00:33:03.639
And so I took that home and my
parents were boarding a 16 hand

00:33:03.639 --> 00:33:06.789
two year old thoroughbred that
belonged to one of our friends.

00:33:07.209 --> 00:33:10.449
And,   they allo said that I could
start this horse under saddle.

00:33:11.779 --> 00:33:17.269
So I just took the book and I went
through all the steps of ground driving.

00:33:17.629 --> 00:33:18.679
How old were you at this point?

00:33:20.179 --> 00:33:22.099
I was 11 or 12.

00:33:23.479 --> 00:33:25.609
And it was really easy to follow it.

00:33:25.669 --> 00:33:28.099
And she never boxed and was never afraid.

00:33:28.569 --> 00:33:32.569
And it was an easy process
and that's the basis now.

00:33:32.869 --> 00:33:39.649
I remember my grandfather in the stable
and we had adapted one, one end of

00:33:39.654 --> 00:33:41.299
the barn that had been a cow stable.

00:33:41.299 --> 00:33:46.099
We made big box stalls and I
remember him putting his hand on

00:33:46.099 --> 00:33:51.289
the horse's neck and saying to me,
you know, whenever you connect with

00:33:51.294 --> 00:33:53.029
a horse, connect with your heart.

00:33:53.509 --> 00:33:54.619
Connect with kindness.

00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.789
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, so this came
from within, from a family member,

00:33:59.329 --> 00:33:59.719
Linda TJ: right?

00:34:00.469 --> 00:34:00.799
Yep.

00:34:03.004 --> 00:34:04.084
Rupert Isaacson: What was his story?

00:34:04.954 --> 00:34:06.664
How did he, how did he come by this?

00:34:07.114 --> 00:34:10.114
Linda TJ: Well, this is really,
I wish that I have been prepared.

00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.604
I should pull together some pictures.

00:34:12.604 --> 00:34:13.984
That'd be really fun to see it.

00:34:14.734 --> 00:34:22.724
My grandfather Will, Kaywood was,  an
American jockey and quite well known.

00:34:22.754 --> 00:34:25.214
We have, we have our mother's
side or father's side?

00:34:25.274 --> 00:34:25.604
Mother's.

00:34:26.084 --> 00:34:26.714
Mother's side.

00:34:26.714 --> 00:34:27.074
Kaywood.

00:34:27.074 --> 00:34:28.664
Rupert Isaacson: The
horses were in the family?

00:34:29.804 --> 00:34:30.254
Linda TJ: Yes.

00:34:30.554 --> 00:34:31.044
Both sides.

00:34:31.474 --> 00:34:31.764
Okay.

00:34:31.794 --> 00:34:32.324
Both sides.

00:34:34.004 --> 00:34:39.974
So I wanna tell you that, so my, my
grandfather Will Kaywood had been

00:34:40.454 --> 00:34:47.594
approached by an Austrian count, through
an agent to be, to go to Moscow in

00:34:47.594 --> 00:34:54.764
Russia from, from, this is from the us
and ride the horses of this Austrian who

00:34:54.764 --> 00:34:58.664
sent the horses from Vienna to Moscow.

00:34:58.814 --> 00:35:01.994
And then, so my grandfather
rode them in 1905.

00:35:01.994 --> 00:35:04.094
He went there and rode them.

00:35:05.504 --> 00:35:08.164
And,  and he liked it so much in Russia.

00:35:08.194 --> 00:35:10.954
He decided to stay on
and become a trainer.

00:35:11.644 --> 00:35:17.154
And so in 1905, he won the
prestigious, sorry, Nicholas ii.

00:35:17.864 --> 00:35:23.594
It was a, it was a Jeweled Kane
for the most winners of the

00:35:23.594 --> 00:35:27.194
season and with 87 winners.

00:35:27.764 --> 00:35:33.224
And he said he attributed because
he came to, actually, this is

00:35:33.464 --> 00:35:37.394
a whole kind of call, difficult
story because I never met him.

00:35:37.454 --> 00:35:42.254
It was my great uncle, his brother I met
and they were in business,  in horses.

00:35:42.254 --> 00:35:46.424
And I have a painting that I've
now given to my niece, Mandy.

00:35:46.934 --> 00:35:49.244
I have a horse named
Illa that they imported.

00:35:49.724 --> 00:35:55.554
And this horse,  was very successful
and they, the Johnie did this painting.

00:35:55.824 --> 00:36:01.764
But my grandfather said that his success
was because he never entered a horse

00:36:01.764 --> 00:36:05.724
in a race in this, it told him he
was, it was feeling fit enough to win.

00:36:06.714 --> 00:36:11.544
And the second thing is every horse
was rubbed with these short little

00:36:11.544 --> 00:36:15.114
strokes over every inch of the
body for 30 minutes by the grooms.

00:36:15.474 --> 00:36:19.284
And he learned that from a
Russian gypsy named Orloff.

00:36:19.804 --> 00:36:24.754
Because in still today in Russia,
it's the gypsies that handle

00:36:24.759 --> 00:36:26.194
all the horses on the racetrack.

00:36:26.754 --> 00:36:29.689
And I got to meet them when
I was there as a citizen.

00:36:29.689 --> 00:36:30.139
Diplomat.

00:36:30.439 --> 00:36:31.039
Diplomat.

00:36:31.969 --> 00:36:34.249
Rupert Isaacson: So did you, did
you notice, now we're jumping

00:36:34.249 --> 00:36:37.919
ahead, but did you notice when you
did go,  and meet these grooms on

00:36:37.924 --> 00:36:41.889
the,  Russian race track, did you,
n did you see a similarity between

00:36:41.889 --> 00:36:43.119
the way they were touching the horse

00:36:43.449 --> 00:36:43.719
Linda TJ: and Teta?

00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.299
I didn't, I didn't see them
actually touching the horse.

00:36:46.299 --> 00:36:51.239
I was with the directors and stuff,
intro, introducing myself and,

00:36:51.609 --> 00:36:52.749
and the work that I was doing.

00:36:52.754 --> 00:36:55.359
So I didn't get them actually
see them working on horses.

00:36:55.359 --> 00:36:55.899
But there is a

00:36:55.899 --> 00:36:59.559
Rupert Isaacson: chance that there could
be a,  some sort of connection to what

00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:06.639
your great-uncle learned out there, which
then begs the question, and it, this, we

00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:11.739
can throw this one out to the ether, but
it begs the question, do you think that

00:37:12.189 --> 00:37:19.659
if Te Touch has partially its origins in
what you witnessed from your great-uncle,

00:37:19.829 --> 00:37:25.319
from what he learned in Russia from these
Russian gypsies who were probably also

00:37:25.319 --> 00:37:32.539
of Cosack and central Asian, ancestry,
do you think that this way of touching

00:37:32.539 --> 00:37:38.339
horses could possibly go back to the
origins of riding and training horses?

00:37:38.339 --> 00:37:42.559
Because we all know that it comes
out of that area where Russia,

00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:48.139
Ukraine,  meets the sort of Black
Sea, Caspian Sea, that step there,

00:37:48.144 --> 00:37:50.659
the origin of the modern thoroughbred,
we know that comes from there.

00:37:50.899 --> 00:37:51.859
Do you think that.

00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:57.439
Something in Tea Touch could possibly
go back 4,000 years to those first

00:37:57.439 --> 00:38:00.919
people learning how to, I, I have
domesticate those riding horses.

00:38:01.249 --> 00:38:02.539
Linda TJ: I have no question about it.

00:38:02.539 --> 00:38:07.489
I think it comes from the Mongols I
come, I think it comes way before that

00:38:07.969 --> 00:38:10.979
because, because of the, when we get
to that part of the story, because

00:38:10.979 --> 00:38:13.279
what I brought in was a circular touch.

00:38:13.399 --> 00:38:13.489
Mm-hmm.

00:38:14.089 --> 00:38:15.829
There's nothing new in the universe.

00:38:16.129 --> 00:38:19.309
I just pulled that out of
the quantum field, I'm sure.

00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.699
And when you hear the story
of how it came, you think

00:38:22.704 --> 00:38:23.869
you'll think the same thing.

00:38:24.289 --> 00:38:24.579
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

00:38:25.459 --> 00:38:25.879
Okay.

00:38:25.879 --> 00:38:30.499
So there you are, you're riding horses
in successfully in the Edmonton show.

00:38:30.979 --> 00:38:32.749
You are helping to prepare
horses for clients.

00:38:32.929 --> 00:38:36.589
You've now, and you're, you've started
this young horse and you've found this

00:38:36.649 --> 00:38:40.909
ground driving, by the way, for those
who are horsey, but don't use that term,

00:38:40.914 --> 00:38:42.919
that means long reigning and long lining.

00:38:43.219 --> 00:38:45.649
And it's still the sort of accepted
way you'd start a young horse,

00:38:45.649 --> 00:38:46.699
particularly in Ireland today.

00:38:46.919 --> 00:38:49.609
But it seems to have gone from
a lot of other traditions.

00:38:49.929 --> 00:38:53.779
But it definitely, definitely, works for
allowing the horse to understand what

00:38:53.779 --> 00:38:57.379
they're gonna do under saddle before
they put under saddle, which makes it

00:38:57.379 --> 00:38:59.089
safer for them and for the, the rider.

00:38:59.479 --> 00:38:59.719
okay.

00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:04.309
But so you've started this
horse now, and you, you, you've.

00:39:04.759 --> 00:39:07.369
Seen this way of touching a horse,
something is in you anywhere

00:39:07.369 --> 00:39:10.009
because you've been touching
Bears Ears since you were little.

00:39:10.329 --> 00:39:16.279
, and, now you are basically at age
12, 13 or so, a professional in the

00:39:16.279 --> 00:39:18.769
horse world, albeit in Edmonton.

00:39:19.369 --> 00:39:20.989
How do you end up drifting south?

00:39:22.309 --> 00:39:22.599
Okay.

00:39:23.149 --> 00:39:29.079
Linda TJ: So at the Edmonton Horse
Show for my 15th birthday,  there is

00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:34.149
one of the, the premier classes of the
whole week would be a, a jumper class.

00:39:34.629 --> 00:39:37.329
You'd have to,  you know,
you have to qualify to keep

00:39:37.334 --> 00:39:38.829
jumping for the whole week.

00:39:39.279 --> 00:39:45.649
So on the, the last day,  a, a rider named
Ray Edgington broke his arm and he had one

00:39:45.649 --> 00:39:47.839
of the top horses named Bouncing Buster.

00:39:48.109 --> 00:39:50.689
And he was a, a 14 two-hand quarter horse.

00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:56.694
And because I was known for catch riding,
he asked me if I'd ride the horse and I

00:39:56.694 --> 00:40:03.264
had about 10 minutes to, you know, get on
and go over one little jump and we won it.

00:40:03.264 --> 00:40:07.644
And there was a big article in the paper,
which I have about that still have.

00:40:07.704 --> 00:40:11.724
But anyway, Wentworth Tellington, who
became my husband, was sitting next

00:40:11.724 --> 00:40:13.554
in the grandsons next to my mother.

00:40:13.554 --> 00:40:18.864
And you can imagine she went nuts when
I, you know, you know how moms are.

00:40:18.924 --> 00:40:21.474
She was early when I won.

00:40:21.864 --> 00:40:26.694
So Wentworth managed to talk her into
bringing him to the exhibitor party.

00:40:27.384 --> 00:40:32.814
And at the exhibitor party, he, you
know, salaried up to me and said

00:40:32.819 --> 00:40:35.664
he'd like to buy that horse from
me because the horse was for sale.

00:40:36.144 --> 00:40:39.954
And I said, you know, it's not
worth the money they're asking.

00:40:40.614 --> 00:40:41.334
I'm not interested.

00:40:41.754 --> 00:40:42.684
Thank you very much.

00:40:42.684 --> 00:40:45.714
Well, he managed to get
to my mother somehow.

00:40:46.194 --> 00:40:47.854
And,  oh, oh God.

00:40:47.914 --> 00:40:50.194
Rupert, this is another whole long story.

00:40:50.554 --> 00:40:51.454
You love story.

00:40:51.514 --> 00:40:53.014
I should I tell you the story?

00:40:53.014 --> 00:40:54.274
Rupert Isaacson: Please,
please tell me the story.

00:40:54.694 --> 00:40:59.254
Linda TJ: Ah, so at the Calgary
Horse Show, which had been the month

00:40:59.254 --> 00:41:06.064
before this show, I had just won
the third leg of the hell, Calgary

00:41:06.364 --> 00:41:08.854
Herald Newspaper Challenge Cup.

00:41:09.184 --> 00:41:10.624
I'd won it three years in a row.

00:41:11.464 --> 00:41:15.334
And  so, you know, we were, I was with
a friend, we were walking around in the

00:41:15.334 --> 00:41:21.394
afternoon and I saw this cowboy, God, I'm
sure all you women have been there, or

00:41:21.394 --> 00:41:23.974
many of you have, with a really big hat.

00:41:23.974 --> 00:41:26.074
And I was really interested in Big Hat.

00:41:27.124 --> 00:41:30.214
So he invited me to go out that night.

00:41:30.214 --> 00:41:33.334
So here I am, a 15 year old
sneaking out of the hotel.

00:41:33.664 --> 00:41:36.754
Rupert Isaacson: This is not
Wentworth, this is a somebody else,

00:41:37.144 --> 00:41:39.724
Linda TJ: not Wentworth,
but it needs to Wentworth.

00:41:39.794 --> 00:41:41.054
You'll see Cree Wentworth.

00:41:42.274 --> 00:41:44.524
Well, you'll see how it
brought me Wentworth.

00:41:45.754 --> 00:41:50.484
So,  anyway,  he wrote me a letter and
asked me to marry him for God's sake.

00:41:50.484 --> 00:41:53.994
I was 15 and my mother read
the letter, I'm happy to say.

00:41:55.134 --> 00:41:57.194
And,  she didn't say anything to me.

00:41:57.284 --> 00:41:58.574
Oh, she did say something to me.

00:41:58.784 --> 00:42:00.914
Anyway, she invited him there.

00:42:00.914 --> 00:42:03.014
And this is not a guy I was interested in.

00:42:03.464 --> 00:42:03.854
Come on.

00:42:03.914 --> 00:42:08.804
I was 15, but, so my mother thought
she would get me outta town for the

00:42:08.804 --> 00:42:10.784
summer and get me away from this guy.

00:42:11.564 --> 00:42:15.744
And,  so went, invited
me to work the horses.

00:42:15.924 --> 00:42:20.814
He was an engineer and he was
going out for the summer with a

00:42:20.819 --> 00:42:25.344
magnetometer looking for oil anomalies
that he sold to big oil companies.

00:42:25.724 --> 00:42:26.014
Okay.

00:42:26.274 --> 00:42:28.584
And so this is the cowboy?

00:42:29.364 --> 00:42:30.494
No, this is Wentworth my

00:42:30.494 --> 00:42:30.694
Rupert Isaacson: husband.

00:42:30.694 --> 00:42:31.214
It's Wentworth.

00:42:31.284 --> 00:42:31.894
Okay, sorry.

00:42:32.084 --> 00:42:32.374
Okay.

00:42:33.154 --> 00:42:36.264
Linda TJ: So my mom to get me away
from the CO that she thought I would

00:42:36.269 --> 00:42:40.214
be interested in this cowboy, which I
wasn't, but she got me out with Wentworth.

00:42:40.914 --> 00:42:44.904
So anyway, I wound up eventually
three years later marrying

00:42:44.904 --> 00:42:47.424
Wentworth Tellington when I was 18.

00:42:48.114 --> 00:42:52.224
And it's thanks to him that we had this
wonderful school because of all his

00:42:52.229 --> 00:42:55.194
amazing classical education and learning.

00:42:55.884 --> 00:42:56.174
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

00:42:56.354 --> 00:42:57.324
So tell me, yes.

00:42:57.354 --> 00:42:58.814
Tell me about, tell us about Tellington.

00:42:59.274 --> 00:43:01.644
He's a clearly a formative,
formative person.

00:43:01.824 --> 00:43:02.814
He's half of your name.

00:43:03.324 --> 00:43:05.214
and you go on to start this amazing.

00:43:05.574 --> 00:43:05.994
Thing with him.

00:43:05.994 --> 00:43:08.524
He's also interested in,
in,  the Rosa Crucian.

00:43:08.524 --> 00:43:10.474
He's interested in herbs and healing.

00:43:10.474 --> 00:43:11.974
He's clearly a very fine horseman.

00:43:12.184 --> 00:43:14.164
He's got clearly a cavalry connection.

00:43:14.914 --> 00:43:16.234
Tell us, tell us about this man.

00:43:16.294 --> 00:43:17.884
And what, what was he
doing up there in Calgary?

00:43:19.604 --> 00:43:20.864
Linda TJ: he wasn't in Calgary.

00:43:20.864 --> 00:43:24.284
That was where I met the cowboy
that made my mother wanna get

00:43:24.284 --> 00:43:25.634
me out of town in Edmonton.

00:43:26.024 --> 00:43:26.084
Okay.

00:43:26.114 --> 00:43:28.784
So the cowboy, we can now let go.

00:43:28.784 --> 00:43:32.984
He was just an instrument to get
me out in the woods with Wentworth.

00:43:34.484 --> 00:43:35.204
Rupert Isaacson: But hold on, hold on.

00:43:35.204 --> 00:43:36.974
I'm, I'm, now, I, now I'm confused.

00:43:37.724 --> 00:43:41.084
I thought that you said that when
you won the class and your mom

00:43:41.114 --> 00:43:44.334
went nuts, Wentworth was in the
stands next to your mother Yes.

00:43:44.354 --> 00:43:45.884
And wanted to buy the horse?

00:43:48.494 --> 00:43:49.004
Correct.

00:43:49.424 --> 00:43:49.664
Okay.

00:43:50.294 --> 00:43:51.914
but before that, there had been a cowboy.

00:43:52.004 --> 00:43:57.224
So your mom, your mom had invited
this taton chap or your, he was still

00:43:57.224 --> 00:43:58.574
unknown to your mom at that point?

00:43:58.684 --> 00:43:59.174
Totally

00:43:59.174 --> 00:43:59.614
Linda TJ: unknown.

00:44:00.204 --> 00:44:01.574
Totally unknown.

00:44:02.264 --> 00:44:07.214
It was one of those, you know,
accidents of the universe.

00:44:07.544 --> 00:44:08.354
No accidents.

00:44:08.504 --> 00:44:09.674
There are no accidents.

00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:10.034
Correct.

00:44:10.034 --> 00:44:13.244
Rupert Isaacson: And what was, what
was he doing up there if he was, he

00:44:13.244 --> 00:44:14.804
was a California base at that point?

00:44:14.809 --> 00:44:15.884
Was he he, no,

00:44:15.884 --> 00:44:17.204
Linda TJ: he was an engineer.

00:44:17.624 --> 00:44:17.894
Okay.

00:44:17.899 --> 00:44:19.184
Ah, oil and gas.

00:44:19.884 --> 00:44:22.064
Oil and gas in Edmonton, Alberta.

00:44:22.069 --> 00:44:22.144
Yeah.

00:44:22.164 --> 00:44:22.464
Got it.

00:44:22.464 --> 00:44:22.744
Got it,

00:44:22.744 --> 00:44:23.024
Rupert Isaacson: got it.

00:44:23.144 --> 00:44:23.564
Yes.

00:44:23.684 --> 00:44:24.254
That makes sense.

00:44:25.844 --> 00:44:29.574
Okay, so then,  okay.

00:44:29.574 --> 00:44:32.754
So you meet Wentworth, met
Wentworth wants to buy the horse.

00:44:33.234 --> 00:44:37.074
It's showing no interest in you, but yet
three years later, you married the man.

00:44:37.504 --> 00:44:38.464
well wait a

00:44:38.464 --> 00:44:38.544
Linda TJ: minute.

00:44:39.454 --> 00:44:43.084
Of course the horse was
a, you know, a reason.

00:44:43.414 --> 00:44:43.834
Mm-hmm.

00:44:44.344 --> 00:44:49.114
And so he wound up actually buying
another horse for me that was a grandson

00:44:49.114 --> 00:44:56.464
of a man of war and shipping it with a
handler from a Maryland Fast Tipton sale.

00:44:56.854 --> 00:44:59.404
And I have pictures riding
this beautiful stallion.

00:44:59.404 --> 00:45:04.674
He was a six year old stallion that,
had not been that successful in racing.

00:45:04.854 --> 00:45:08.804
And he was, we bought this horse
and I did really well with him.

00:45:08.834 --> 00:45:15.584
So it's just all is part of, you know,
being able to get on horses and manage

00:45:15.674 --> 00:45:17.204
not to get in a fight with them.

00:45:17.534 --> 00:45:17.624
Mm-hmm.

00:45:17.684 --> 00:45:22.594
And one of the things I wanna say to
you, Rupert, that the reason, like,

00:45:22.714 --> 00:45:25.184
I don't get on a horse if I'm afraid.

00:45:25.514 --> 00:45:25.724
Yeah.

00:45:26.864 --> 00:45:31.634
What makes it possible for me to
connect to them is taking them

00:45:31.664 --> 00:45:36.614
in hand even for a few minutes
and getting them to just to walk.

00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.259
Through the labyrinth because
it gives them boundaries.

00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:42.779
And we make a, a connection there.

00:45:42.779 --> 00:45:44.459
And I described this today.

00:45:44.879 --> 00:45:47.819
It's not, Hey, I'm gonna take a
hold of you better listen to me.

00:45:48.089 --> 00:45:53.069
It's not at all, it's really this heart
to heart connection because people say

00:45:53.069 --> 00:45:58.319
to me like, I work with many different
zoo animal exotic animals in zoos, right?

00:45:58.379 --> 00:46:00.029
And people say, how do you know?

00:46:00.029 --> 00:46:02.219
How can you work with all
these different species?

00:46:02.969 --> 00:46:09.359
Because I ask the person who knows
them about them, and I connect

00:46:09.359 --> 00:46:12.119
with them at a cell to cell level.

00:46:12.149 --> 00:46:15.719
We're going to get that to the cell,
to cell in a little while, what

00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:17.189
that're about to do with all of us?

00:46:17.789 --> 00:46:23.689
Because at this level of the cells
we're all the same and interesting.

00:46:24.149 --> 00:46:24.369
Rupert Isaacson: Ok.

00:46:24.829 --> 00:46:29.249
So can, but, but at that point
in your life, you're, you are not

00:46:29.254 --> 00:46:30.839
aware of this in a conscious way.

00:46:30.839 --> 00:46:32.929
Presumably you are,
you're some feeling it.

00:46:34.349 --> 00:46:35.699
Linda TJ: But I absolutely.

00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.939
you know, I made that
connection with any horse.

00:46:38.939 --> 00:46:43.349
So before I get on them, I take
them in hand and walk them through.

00:46:43.379 --> 00:46:46.679
You walk and stop and
just put my hands on them.

00:46:46.684 --> 00:46:49.769
Like you said, you felt
Hmm, my hands on you.

00:46:49.949 --> 00:46:56.609
So what my message is in my
hands too is feel your perfection

00:46:58.139 --> 00:47:04.739
because we are miracles, as I said
before, and every cell in the body.

00:47:04.739 --> 00:47:05.609
This is, this is.

00:47:06.614 --> 00:47:08.474
I'll come to that in, in a little bit.

00:47:08.474 --> 00:47:12.614
Cause I wanna tell you how I got to
this, where I am today, because it's

00:47:12.614 --> 00:47:16.994
really interesting following, it's
following like a trail of breadcrumbs

00:47:16.994 --> 00:47:19.484
that I listened for and followed.

00:47:20.924 --> 00:47:21.854
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, I'm listening.

00:47:22.104 --> 00:47:24.115
I'm, I'm actually just writing
down, I'm making a note here.

00:47:24.984 --> 00:47:27.264
I'm saying Linda's
message through her hands.

00:47:27.804 --> 00:47:29.004
Feel your perfection.

00:47:29.544 --> 00:47:29.964
I love that

00:47:30.174 --> 00:47:32.484
Linda TJ: Through, through my
hands to the horse, to you.

00:47:32.594 --> 00:47:32.814
Mm.

00:47:33.474 --> 00:47:36.204
To any being that I put my hands on.

00:47:36.844 --> 00:47:43.654
It's, it's, and today, I only in the last
six months finally understand really what

00:47:43.654 --> 00:47:46.704
that means at the, at a whole other level.

00:47:47.634 --> 00:47:49.704
And I've been searching
for this all these years.

00:47:49.704 --> 00:47:54.894
Like Rupert, you've seen what I
could do with a horse is upset.

00:47:54.954 --> 00:47:55.734
You know, afraid.

00:47:55.824 --> 00:47:59.604
Because all that excitement is, it's all
about fear when they lose it like that.

00:47:59.934 --> 00:48:00.234
Yeah.

00:48:00.724 --> 00:48:06.744
And so we, what we've discovered with this
one and a quarter basic tea touch, which

00:48:06.744 --> 00:48:11.274
I'll tell you in a bit how I came to that
because the story is really interesting.

00:48:11.684 --> 00:48:16.134
The, the, the, the breadcrumb
trail, as I say, see it.

00:48:16.824 --> 00:48:22.254
so this, this, I I I, I'm gonna take
it in, in its own order actually.

00:48:24.234 --> 00:48:25.224
So, okay.

00:48:26.484 --> 00:48:29.694
I wanna, I wanna stay on this
track where you are right now.

00:48:30.054 --> 00:48:33.204
Rupert Isaacson: You are now
married to,  this man,  Tellington.

00:48:34.104 --> 00:48:35.484
And he's American.

00:48:35.484 --> 00:48:36.864
He is not Canadian.

00:48:37.144 --> 00:48:38.159
he's in oil and gas.

00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:38.699
He's up there.

00:48:40.619 --> 00:48:44.639
He's in, you then end up running a farm
together down on, down in California.

00:48:44.999 --> 00:48:45.569
Is he already there?

00:48:45.879 --> 00:48:47.399
Does he already own this farm?

00:48:47.404 --> 00:48:48.569
Do you start this together?

00:48:48.569 --> 00:48:49.349
What's the story?

00:48:49.634 --> 00:48:51.014
Linda TJ: Let me tell
you how he got there.

00:48:51.014 --> 00:48:57.524
So, in Edmonton, Wentworth had a lot
of, in injuries from different accidents

00:48:57.524 --> 00:49:00.194
and a lot of bones that were aching.

00:49:00.464 --> 00:49:05.744
And so he decided that he, first of
all, he went to Reno, Nevada to get a

00:49:05.749 --> 00:49:11.804
divorce and then to sell a gold mine to
Harold's Club, not a gold mine, sorry.

00:49:11.854 --> 00:49:12.364
oil.

00:49:12.894 --> 00:49:15.684
one of the oil leases that he found.

00:49:15.734 --> 00:49:20.354
And then he decided he needed
some warm weather to recuperate.

00:49:20.374 --> 00:49:23.114
So we went to Puerto Rico
for a year and a half.

00:49:23.504 --> 00:49:23.534
Okay.

00:49:23.534 --> 00:49:26.234
And for a year and a half
I was without horses.

00:49:26.234 --> 00:49:27.554
It's the only year and a half.

00:49:28.214 --> 00:49:28.814
Yikes.

00:49:29.534 --> 00:49:34.024
And so,  then after a year and a
half, he decided that he wanted to

00:49:34.024 --> 00:49:37.624
give something back to the world
for all that he had through his

00:49:38.154 --> 00:49:43.544
wonderful education at,  these Andover.

00:49:44.324 --> 00:49:51.374
So,  he applied to us a private
prep school in, in, rolling

00:49:51.379 --> 00:49:53.384
Hills, California Chadwick School.

00:49:53.389 --> 00:49:56.984
It was a residential private prep school.

00:49:57.434 --> 00:50:01.934
And I thought I would be going
there and be going to university.

00:50:02.324 --> 00:50:05.414
But the second day that we
were on the property, cuz it's

00:50:05.414 --> 00:50:06.584
a place where we had to live.

00:50:06.914 --> 00:50:07.244
Mrs.

00:50:07.244 --> 00:50:09.724
Metall, the head of the
school called,  Mrs.

00:50:10.274 --> 00:50:15.494
Chadwick called me in and sat me down
and said that I was going to be the

00:50:15.524 --> 00:50:21.314
senior girl's dorm mother and, that I
would teach eighth grade social studies.

00:50:21.859 --> 00:50:21.984
Okay.

00:50:23.504 --> 00:50:26.804
This is what a, in those days
a private school could do.

00:50:27.134 --> 00:50:30.734
So I got the book that they were,
I was going to be teaching and

00:50:30.734 --> 00:50:34.124
I read through the book and I
started teaching social studies.

00:50:34.214 --> 00:50:34.504
Okay.

00:50:35.384 --> 00:50:36.294
And,  how old are you at

00:50:36.299 --> 00:50:36.654
Rupert Isaacson: this point?

00:50:36.659 --> 00:50:36.944
20.

00:50:38.084 --> 00:50:39.354
Linda TJ: Yeah, about 20.

00:50:39.359 --> 00:50:39.414
Yeah.

00:50:39.444 --> 00:50:39.734
Yeah.

00:50:40.074 --> 00:50:41.094
And I loved it.

00:50:41.099 --> 00:50:45.204
It was really incredible because in,
in a private school like that, I had

00:50:45.209 --> 00:50:50.064
eight kids in my class and, you know,
on the, when we were studying different

00:50:50.064 --> 00:50:53.724
countries, we, I could take them on
field trips into Los Angeles and go to

00:50:53.964 --> 00:50:57.534
different restaurants that represented
the food from the country and, okay.

00:50:58.194 --> 00:50:59.154
Very creative.

00:51:00.474 --> 00:51:02.604
Rupert Isaacson: So this is
Southern California by Los Angeles.

00:51:03.054 --> 00:51:03.504
That's right.

00:51:03.504 --> 00:51:04.224
But yes.

00:51:04.524 --> 00:51:07.014
Where was just quickly, where
was Tellington from originally

00:51:07.014 --> 00:51:09.894
he, was he in East coast or,
or West Coast, New Hampshire.

00:51:10.164 --> 00:51:10.454
Okay.

00:51:10.459 --> 00:51:10.914
Okay.

00:51:10.914 --> 00:51:13.524
So this was a departure for him
as well to go to the west Coast?

00:51:13.794 --> 00:51:14.124
Yes.

00:51:14.204 --> 00:51:14.494
Okay.

00:51:15.234 --> 00:51:17.634
And okay, so now you're
a social studies teacher?

00:51:18.264 --> 00:51:22.404
Linda TJ: I'm a social studies
teacher and he's teaching math and,

00:51:22.684 --> 00:51:25.664
and  English and creative writing.

00:51:25.664 --> 00:51:28.994
And I took his creative writing
classes, which, oh, I wish I had

00:51:28.994 --> 00:51:30.494
those pieces that I wrote then.

00:51:30.974 --> 00:51:32.504
It was really wonderful.

00:51:32.984 --> 00:51:36.494
And he, what I learned from him
writing Rupert was so interesting.

00:51:36.704 --> 00:51:40.424
Whenever you're telling a story,
hang the gun, gun on the wall.

00:51:41.004 --> 00:51:44.584
If you're going to shoot someone,
you know, let them know from

00:51:44.594 --> 00:51:46.454
the beginning in some way.

00:51:46.574 --> 00:51:47.384
Right, right, right.

00:51:47.504 --> 00:51:47.744
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.

00:51:47.744 --> 00:51:48.404
Leave a clue.

00:51:49.154 --> 00:51:49.844
Linda TJ: Leave a clue.

00:51:49.994 --> 00:51:51.554
But I like the way he said that.

00:51:51.554 --> 00:51:52.634
Hang the gun on the wall.

00:51:54.554 --> 00:51:59.984
And,  so anyway, I was really excited
about creative writing and was

00:51:59.984 --> 00:52:01.934
doing a lot of stuff at that time.

00:52:02.444 --> 00:52:11.144
And,  then in one of,  RO Wentworth's
classes was a young man named Roland

00:52:11.144 --> 00:52:15.324
Plager, ah, who is my current husband.

00:52:17.344 --> 00:52:18.164
Rupert Isaacson: Of course he is.

00:52:18.634 --> 00:52:18.924
Okay.

00:52:19.964 --> 00:52:20.295
Linda TJ: How do we get there?

00:52:20.300 --> 00:52:21.854
And he's been married four years.

00:52:24.224 --> 00:52:25.154
Isn't that wild?

00:52:25.364 --> 00:52:25.964
Rupert Isaacson: It is.

00:52:26.024 --> 00:52:26.894
So, so sorry.

00:52:27.734 --> 00:52:31.944
So your current husband was your pupil,
or was a co-teacher, or was somewhere

00:52:32.244 --> 00:52:35.964
Linda TJ: No, he was, he was,  he's
three years younger than I am.

00:52:35.964 --> 00:52:39.954
He was in the senior class and
he had a football entry, and

00:52:39.954 --> 00:52:41.154
so he couldn't play anymore.

00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:42.744
And so he wanted to learn to ride.

00:52:43.164 --> 00:52:49.074
And one, one of his friends father
had a big ranch, and so they sent a

00:52:49.074 --> 00:52:53.484
horse up to the, there was a stable
at the, at the private prep school.

00:52:53.489 --> 00:52:59.214
I, and I had horses there and was
giving lessons and, and buying horses

00:52:59.214 --> 00:53:01.574
and selling them and,  training.

00:53:01.664 --> 00:53:03.644
Rupert Isaacson: So you are
back into riding at this school?

00:53:03.644 --> 00:53:05.304
They have horses there, right?

00:53:05.454 --> 00:53:06.904
That was, but you, okay.

00:53:06.904 --> 00:53:11.204
And you, you are teaching a riding
or horsemanship class, or it's

00:53:11.204 --> 00:53:12.734
purely recreational at this point?

00:53:12.734 --> 00:53:14.024
Someone else is running that program?

00:53:14.474 --> 00:53:18.344
Linda TJ: No, the i, there, there
was no program for the school itself.

00:53:18.349 --> 00:53:19.694
It was just private students.

00:53:19.934 --> 00:53:20.234
Okay.

00:53:20.234 --> 00:53:22.504
Could bring their horses,
could bring their horse in.

00:53:22.904 --> 00:53:23.114
Got it.

00:53:23.114 --> 00:53:23.324
Yes.

00:53:23.894 --> 00:53:30.014
And so I taught Roland to ride
and those of you, you know, he is

00:53:30.074 --> 00:53:31.694
just an incredible human being.

00:53:31.694 --> 00:53:32.804
I'm so blessed.

00:53:33.314 --> 00:53:38.354
And the fact that,  that when Ro when
we left the school and Roland got

00:53:38.359 --> 00:53:42.674
married to his first wife, we sent
him a wedding present, which his first

00:53:42.674 --> 00:53:44.714
wife, wife has said to still have.

00:53:45.404 --> 00:53:46.664
Rupert Isaacson: Okay,
what was the present?

00:53:47.234 --> 00:53:48.224
Do you know, do you remember?

00:53:48.584 --> 00:53:52.724
Linda TJ: It was a double-headed ax
because they were pioneering in Northern

00:53:52.724 --> 00:53:58.904
British Columbia and they had to chop
wood, believe it or not, you know, and

00:53:59.144 --> 00:53:59.564
Rupert Isaacson: yeah.

00:53:59.924 --> 00:54:00.434
That's funny.

00:54:00.434 --> 00:54:02.774
So you, you, you give a nearly
married couple of double-headed ax,

00:54:02.774 --> 00:54:03.974
so they could each take a swing,

00:54:05.954 --> 00:54:07.424
Linda TJ: a double-headed,
I, I don't know.

00:54:07.424 --> 00:54:08.384
Dunno why.

00:54:08.664 --> 00:54:09.274
Rupert Isaacson: Hilarious.

00:54:09.584 --> 00:54:14.554
Okay, so, so,  presumably you getting
married to Roland happens sometime later.

00:54:14.824 --> 00:54:15.154
What?

00:54:15.904 --> 00:54:21.374
So how long, how long do you remain
married to, to,  Huntington and given

00:54:21.404 --> 00:54:26.264
that you create this, this rather cutting
edge writing academy,  what, what becomes

00:54:26.264 --> 00:54:26.684
Linda TJ: of all that?

00:54:27.494 --> 00:54:29.894
So it was 16 years I was married.

00:54:29.894 --> 00:54:29.924
Okay.

00:54:31.244 --> 00:54:34.274
And,  it's kind of a interesting story.

00:54:34.274 --> 00:54:35.564
It's too long to tell here.

00:54:35.564 --> 00:54:37.184
It's quite fascinating actually.

00:54:37.189 --> 00:54:37.214
Okay.

00:54:37.834 --> 00:54:41.324
But,  we split on amenable terms.

00:54:41.984 --> 00:54:43.154
We never had a lawyer.

00:54:43.154 --> 00:54:47.674
We just, I bought him out and,  Kept
the school and the name and all

00:54:47.674 --> 00:54:49.264
the equipment and all the horses.

00:54:49.774 --> 00:54:56.464
And I continued to run it with, I
had really good riding teachers Okay.

00:54:56.464 --> 00:55:00.364
Who had gone to our school
and were really excellent.

00:55:00.904 --> 00:55:05.924
And we, I also had Wentworth's,
son Jay was there helping me and

00:55:06.374 --> 00:55:10.514
interestingly enough, Roland and
his family were there helping Okay.

00:55:10.604 --> 00:55:12.854
Went to develop a program.

00:55:13.274 --> 00:55:20.534
So, so, so after I ran the school,
maybe, I don't know, a few months, you

00:55:20.534 --> 00:55:26.474
see, I also had in training like many
horses from Countess, Margaret, Bethany.

00:55:26.474 --> 00:55:29.024
That's the story in
this book is her story.

00:55:29.174 --> 00:55:30.254
Amazing story.

00:55:30.834 --> 00:55:31.574
And who was she?

00:55:32.384 --> 00:55:38.284
She was a Hungarian Countess who,
whose,  grandfather was Marcus Dailey.

00:55:38.344 --> 00:55:43.664
And he owned this huge Bitterroot
ranch in, in,  in Montana.

00:55:43.934 --> 00:55:44.224
Okay.

00:55:44.484 --> 00:55:47.024
And which,  she inherited.

00:55:47.624 --> 00:55:51.624
And,  she was a wonderful horse
woman and she had seen our

00:55:51.624 --> 00:55:56.004
articles because we had articles in
Western Horseman called Let's Go.

00:55:56.544 --> 00:56:00.614
And we had them at monthly columns
and  so she would be reading our

00:56:00.614 --> 00:56:03.614
columns and then called us and
asked if she could come to visit.

00:56:04.589 --> 00:56:07.979
And she brought a couple of her
horses down and wanted me to

00:56:07.979 --> 00:56:09.239
work with them, which I did.

00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:13.679
And I wound up having
usually 10 of her horses.

00:56:14.189 --> 00:56:16.979
And I took them not in training
for two months, but for two

00:56:16.979 --> 00:56:18.899
years, and we campaigned them.

00:56:19.709 --> 00:56:20.400
So she was

00:56:20.409 --> 00:56:23.369
Rupert Isaacson: in, in what discipline
did she or were they in all disciplines

00:56:24.059 --> 00:56:24.629
Linda TJ: with me?

00:56:24.629 --> 00:56:28.509
They were in endurance, riding,
jumping and,  three day of ending.

00:56:28.809 --> 00:56:29.099
Okay.

00:56:29.949 --> 00:56:30.219
Yep.

00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.969
So,  and you'll see that in some of
my books, and it's so interesting,

00:56:35.029 --> 00:56:38.779
you know, when you, when I had that
astrological reading thing that

00:56:38.779 --> 00:56:42.719
my work would spread around the
world,  behind me on this bookshelf.

00:56:42.809 --> 00:56:48.199
I have books, my books
in,  22 books in 16 languages.

00:56:50.269 --> 00:56:54.139
So from that point, it really has
spread thanks to my publishers.

00:56:54.609 --> 00:56:55.099
Rupert Isaacson: Amazing.

00:56:55.189 --> 00:56:56.419
Absolutely amazing.

00:56:56.569 --> 00:56:56.689
It is.

00:56:56.749 --> 00:56:57.899
So, so, so, okay.

00:56:58.219 --> 00:56:59.869
You are running this writing.

00:56:59.869 --> 00:57:03.299
So your creative writing,  workshops
have clearly paid off because

00:57:03.304 --> 00:57:06.389
you're now publishing articles
about what you're doing in Western

00:57:06.389 --> 00:57:07.649
Horseman Magazine and so on.

00:57:07.889 --> 00:57:11.939
People are,  taking notice of this to the
point that they want to come check out

00:57:11.969 --> 00:57:13.950
your school, bring their horses to you.

00:57:14.169 --> 00:57:16.319
You're training horses for aristocrats.

00:57:16.319 --> 00:57:20.019
You are, you are training these,  these,
people who are gonna go on to be very

00:57:20.019 --> 00:57:21.459
well known in the horse business.

00:57:21.579 --> 00:57:23.589
Why not just stay with that
for the rest of your life?

00:57:23.649 --> 00:57:26.829
Why go on into the healing arts.

00:57:27.819 --> 00:57:29.379
Boy that that's like You did.

00:57:29.959 --> 00:57:31.099
Linda TJ: Really good question.

00:57:31.779 --> 00:57:32.469
So

00:57:35.949 --> 00:57:40.839
interesting story, because I know
you love the nitty gritty, right?

00:57:40.839 --> 00:57:41.289
Mm-hmm.

00:57:41.339 --> 00:57:48.749
So,  what happened with our school at
Badger is,  we had,  wonderful connections

00:57:48.749 --> 00:57:53.489
with different organizations and one of
them was Prescott College in Prescott,

00:57:53.489 --> 00:57:59.339
Arizona, and I was asked to go and do,
I can't remember how this happened.

00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:03.799
I must have met the
director of Outward Bound.

00:58:04.129 --> 00:58:09.469
And so I was asked to go and give a
workshop to students about endurance

00:58:09.469 --> 00:58:13.519
writing and what it takes to, you
know, go into another discipline.

00:58:13.939 --> 00:58:21.179
And so after that class, we invited
the head of the Outward Bound Roy

00:58:21.179 --> 00:58:27.119
Smith and eight of the students to
come for a weekend to us and learn

00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:31.079
to ride in a weekend, jumping and
riding in a weekend, these athletes.

00:58:31.949 --> 00:58:35.759
And that's what we could do in our
school, Rupert, because it was logical

00:58:35.759 --> 00:58:39.599
way of specifically riding and balance.

00:58:39.989 --> 00:58:41.969
So it was easy for these athletes to do.

00:58:42.259 --> 00:58:44.339
Rupert Isaacson: And I presume you
were putting them on school master

00:58:44.339 --> 00:58:45.929
horses that were not gonna kill 'em.

00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:46.259
Yeah.

00:58:46.829 --> 00:58:48.689
Linda TJ: We have really great horses.

00:58:48.689 --> 00:58:50.789
That's a whole other thing in this book.

00:58:50.789 --> 00:58:53.009
I was, we just translated this to German.

00:58:53.549 --> 00:59:00.759
And, one of the reasons that our, our
horses were so good is the fact that

00:59:00.849 --> 00:59:04.839
I never allowed a person to ride a
horse unless they liked the horse.

00:59:05.919 --> 00:59:09.909
And if they didn't like that
horse, they would not get on them.

00:59:10.089 --> 00:59:14.139
Because horses know when you don't like
them and they want to work for you.

00:59:14.139 --> 00:59:19.479
If you do like them, it's
makes a huge, huge difference.

00:59:21.069 --> 00:59:21.459
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

00:59:21.459 --> 00:59:24.529
So you, you, you've got this
incredible program going and

00:59:24.589 --> 00:59:28.029
you've got these athletes coming
from Prescott College, right.

00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:30.099
Linda TJ: And now I'm trying to forget.

00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:30.579
Oh yeah.

00:59:30.789 --> 00:59:32.049
So, oh my God.

00:59:32.109 --> 00:59:34.839
Okay, this, so we have this
group of students there.

00:59:34.839 --> 00:59:39.789
We're sitting at the dining room table,
and we have people learn in the class.

00:59:39.789 --> 00:59:41.890
They learn to be hostess and help people.

00:59:42.309 --> 00:59:44.619
And so we were serving dessert.

00:59:44.769 --> 00:59:50.259
And the dessert that was brought out
to, to my table, we have many, like four

00:59:50.259 --> 00:59:51.819
or five different tables of students.

00:59:52.479 --> 00:59:55.299
our table were, were peaches for dessert.

00:59:55.599 --> 01:00:01.329
And my and Wentworth said I ordered
pears and he got up and stomped into

01:00:01.329 --> 01:00:02.939
the kitchen and I thought, oh, oh.

01:00:04.389 --> 01:00:07.899
And he came back out and he
said, well, she may quit.

01:00:08.379 --> 01:00:11.829
And I said, quietly.

01:00:12.339 --> 01:00:13.419
I wouldn't blame her.

01:00:13.899 --> 01:00:19.779
And you have to understand, Rupert,
I had never in my all 16 years with

01:00:19.779 --> 01:00:24.759
him, never dared to open my mouth to
oppose him because he was very violent.

01:00:25.389 --> 01:00:25.419
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

01:00:25.419 --> 01:00:27.609
So there was a light side and
a dark side to this ma'am.

01:00:28.149 --> 01:00:31.459
Linda TJ: There was a dark
side due to I think alcohol.

01:00:32.139 --> 01:00:32.469
Yes.

01:00:33.249 --> 01:00:37.699
And so,  I don't know, you
know, it was, it was,  it was

01:00:37.729 --> 01:00:39.049
meant to be that I said that.

01:00:39.109 --> 01:00:41.749
And he said to me, step outside.

01:00:42.319 --> 01:00:44.029
And I said, okay.

01:00:44.034 --> 01:00:47.479
So I walked out and thank God
there was a solid door so people

01:00:47.479 --> 01:00:48.439
couldn't see what happened.

01:00:48.469 --> 01:00:53.029
So he stood in front of me, and I'm
telling this cuz some of you may have had

01:00:53.209 --> 01:00:56.419
experiences that were really terrible and
you've lived through them, which I did.

01:00:56.659 --> 01:00:58.099
So he said, say that again.

01:00:58.099 --> 01:01:00.259
And I said, I wouldn't
blame her if she quit.

01:01:00.264 --> 01:01:02.419
And he punched me and knocked me down.

01:01:02.419 --> 01:01:04.329
And how much bigger than you was he?

01:01:05.529 --> 01:01:06.839
Oh, he was only five eight.

01:01:07.449 --> 01:01:12.529
But he was on the boxing team
at, you know, in his prep school.

01:01:12.529 --> 01:01:12.979
Rupert Isaacson: So yeah.

01:01:12.979 --> 01:01:14.089
He must have known the damage.

01:01:14.094 --> 01:01:16.754
He could do What, what,  what
possessed him do you think?

01:01:16.754 --> 01:01:19.784
I mean, what, what do think any,
do you think anything went through

01:01:19.784 --> 01:01:22.844
his mind thinking, oh, what if
I, what if I accidentally kill.

01:01:23.689 --> 01:01:24.029
I'm a box.

01:01:24.209 --> 01:01:25.079
I'm a trained boxer.

01:01:25.169 --> 01:01:25.649
Linda TJ: No, no.

01:01:25.889 --> 01:01:26.849
He wouldn't think that.

01:01:27.299 --> 01:01:30.539
You know, this is something
that happens, I think to people.

01:01:30.539 --> 01:01:33.079
He,  anyway, he lost his rational mind.

01:01:33.169 --> 01:01:36.979
But I want, what I want you to tell
you about it that's so interesting is

01:01:36.979 --> 01:01:40.819
that, did you ever, do you remember
those years where used to, there

01:01:40.819 --> 01:01:44.299
used to be a little glass and there
was a, something called a dodo bird.

01:01:44.929 --> 01:01:48.229
And you, the dodo bird, if you
tipped it down, tipped right back up.

01:01:48.859 --> 01:01:52.519
What came in my mind, I just jumped up and
stood in front of him like a dodo bird.

01:01:52.849 --> 01:01:55.009
I didn't cry, I didn't feel anything.

01:01:55.309 --> 01:01:56.869
And he said, say that again.

01:01:56.959 --> 01:01:57.619
And I did.

01:01:57.619 --> 01:01:58.849
And he punched me again.

01:01:59.659 --> 01:02:03.079
And when I sit up and just looked
at him, I didn't say anything,

01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:07.009
or I just stood and looked at him
and he said, I think we better go.

01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:08.149
I think we better talk.

01:02:08.149 --> 01:02:09.649
And I said, yes, I think we better.

01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:15.769
So we went for a walk and I, I told
him some of the ridiculous things that

01:02:15.774 --> 01:02:20.659
he had done, which I, it's way too
long a story for that about, again,

01:02:20.659 --> 01:02:26.429
punching out,  our lawyer and,  You
know, he couldn't think, and this

01:02:26.429 --> 01:02:28.139
is a, that's the dark side of him.

01:02:28.379 --> 01:02:28.949
Mm-hmm.

01:02:29.369 --> 01:02:32.789
The bright side is I wouldn't be
sitting here with you without, if

01:02:32.789 --> 01:02:34.589
I hadn't been with him those years.

01:02:34.979 --> 01:02:35.249
Right.

01:02:35.549 --> 01:02:39.449
Because the big, one of the biggest
things I learned, Rupert, that has

01:02:39.449 --> 01:02:44.689
made a huge difference to my life is
if I don't know something, I say, oh.

01:02:44.689 --> 01:02:45.289
Interesting.

01:02:45.289 --> 01:02:49.069
I don't know that instead of trying
to fake that, you know something

01:02:49.069 --> 01:02:50.719
if a student asks you a question.

01:02:50.724 --> 01:02:50.979
Mm-hmm.

01:02:51.324 --> 01:02:54.649
And the other thing is to share
information because in the

01:02:54.649 --> 01:02:58.609
horse world, you know, all the
trainers had their secrets.

01:02:58.969 --> 01:02:59.059
Right.

01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:05.179
And that's what our indicate column
was about, sharing secrets of

01:03:05.179 --> 01:03:08.719
how we managed to get along with
horses in this way without, with

01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:14.089
safety, without getting hurt, with
appreciation, you know, with a smile.

01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:18.209
And,  for that I honor this man.

01:03:18.439 --> 01:03:20.179
So the punch Okay.

01:03:21.509 --> 01:03:23.639
Rupert Isaacson: It was it light
his dark, dark to his light.

01:03:24.179 --> 01:03:24.539
Yeah.

01:03:25.574 --> 01:03:27.884
I mean, but, but then he
punches you out like this.

01:03:27.884 --> 01:03:30.104
You can't come back from
there at that point.

01:03:30.104 --> 01:03:30.704
Do you leave him?

01:03:30.704 --> 01:03:31.274
No, no, no,

01:03:31.274 --> 01:03:31.514
Linda TJ: no.

01:03:31.514 --> 01:03:32.174
That wasn't it.

01:03:32.174 --> 01:03:32.844
That was okay.

01:03:32.954 --> 01:03:37.244
We, we went for a walk and then he
said, I think you need time to think.

01:03:37.694 --> 01:03:39.224
And so he said, I'm going to go.

01:03:39.224 --> 01:03:43.225
We had an apartment in San Francisco,
that we would sometimes go to

01:03:43.304 --> 01:03:47.424
on weekends and he said, I think
I'm going to go to the apartment

01:03:47.424 --> 01:03:48.594
and let you think about this.

01:03:48.984 --> 01:03:49.854
So he did.

01:03:49.854 --> 01:03:52.824
And I was so relieved when
he walked out the door.

01:03:53.424 --> 01:03:57.414
And the big thing that I can be
here and sit and talk to like this

01:03:57.414 --> 01:04:00.444
is that I completely forgive him.

01:04:00.534 --> 01:04:05.184
And I, I can understand how
such an intelligent person

01:04:05.184 --> 01:04:06.174
is what we're telling him.

01:04:06.684 --> 01:04:10.104
He was running a school for mostly women.

01:04:10.734 --> 01:04:12.654
We had a few men, but not many.

01:04:13.164 --> 01:04:18.894
And, and certainly no one of his
intellectual level to, to talk, to

01:04:18.984 --> 01:04:20.544
talk with what a terrible thing.

01:04:21.064 --> 01:04:24.804
So after three o'clock each day,
he would never sign anything.

01:04:25.224 --> 01:04:28.224
He would never agree to anything
after three o'clock, cuz that's

01:04:28.229 --> 01:04:31.044
when, you know, he'd start
drinking these glasses of whiskey.

01:04:32.094 --> 01:04:35.934
So, big gift here for me is forgiveness.

01:04:36.324 --> 01:04:36.444
Mm-hmm.

01:04:36.834 --> 01:04:38.724
Of myself, whatever role I played.

01:04:38.724 --> 01:04:40.494
And for, for what?

01:04:40.734 --> 01:04:42.594
That I.

01:04:43.044 --> 01:04:45.414
Take resp, you know,
responsibility for that.

01:04:46.044 --> 01:04:49.404
Rupert Isaacson: So then, you,
you go off to the apartment in San

01:04:49.404 --> 01:04:51.014
Francisco, you have a think,  no.

01:04:51.074 --> 01:04:51.734
He goes off.

01:04:51.754 --> 01:04:52.454
No, he goes off.

01:04:52.524 --> 01:04:53.534
You're on the ranch, he goes off.

01:04:53.634 --> 01:04:54.114
You relieved.

01:04:54.114 --> 01:04:55.074
He's gone out of the door.

01:04:56.454 --> 01:04:57.294
Linda TJ: Very relieved.

01:04:57.534 --> 01:04:59.154
Rupert Isaacson: Does he come back
at the end of the weekend saying

01:04:59.154 --> 01:05:00.144
perhaps we should get divorced?

01:05:00.149 --> 01:05:00.734
Do you say that or

01:05:01.034 --> 01:05:01.254
Linda TJ: no?

01:05:01.734 --> 01:05:02.154
No.

01:05:02.484 --> 01:05:08.934
What happened was every morning I would
have like a 30 to 50 minute talk with

01:05:08.934 --> 01:05:12.144
Countess, Bethany about the different
horses and how they were doing.

01:05:12.654 --> 01:05:15.984
And she knew this going on
with went, she knew how he was.

01:05:15.989 --> 01:05:16.334
Mm-hmm.

01:05:16.734 --> 01:05:19.094
And so she said, Linda, why
don't you get a divorce?

01:05:20.064 --> 01:05:22.164
It never crossed my mind, Rupert.

01:05:22.494 --> 01:05:22.824
Okay.

01:05:23.454 --> 01:05:25.224
Never ever crossed my mind.

01:05:25.224 --> 01:05:26.784
You just didn't do that in those days.

01:05:27.174 --> 01:05:27.444
Mm-hmm.

01:05:28.074 --> 01:05:36.104
And so I said, oh, and so I
remember calling my mother in horror

01:05:36.109 --> 01:05:37.404
thinking, what is she going to say?

01:05:37.814 --> 01:05:43.784
And when I told her, she said, oh dear,
thank God finally, because she had

01:05:43.784 --> 01:05:49.514
never said anything ever about, she
just, she never talked about people.

01:05:49.754 --> 01:05:50.804
She wasn't her gossip.

01:05:51.674 --> 01:05:57.524
And so,  that was how that, so we, and
then, so I told him then, and they said he

01:05:57.524 --> 01:06:01.124
knew at some point, you know, he being 20
years old, that, that that would happen.

01:06:01.124 --> 01:06:03.344
And, you know, so we just worked it out.

01:06:03.764 --> 01:06:04.094
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

01:06:04.304 --> 01:06:04.634
Okay.

01:06:06.014 --> 01:06:08.594
He didn't, he didn't then become
violent again or anything like that?

01:06:08.834 --> 01:06:09.364
Linda TJ: Not at all.

01:06:10.214 --> 01:06:11.864
No, because he wasn't drinking.

01:06:12.764 --> 01:06:13.064
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

01:06:13.694 --> 01:06:15.884
And, and, but you must have
still been around him when he

01:06:15.884 --> 01:06:17.234
was drinking a bit after that.

01:06:17.234 --> 01:06:19.784
So what, what prevented him from

01:06:19.884 --> 01:06:20.994
Linda TJ: he, he didn't come back.

01:06:20.994 --> 01:06:22.284
We made it from a distance.

01:06:22.584 --> 01:06:22.874
Okay.

01:06:23.334 --> 01:06:23.664
Okay.

01:06:24.714 --> 01:06:24.954
Yep.

01:06:25.014 --> 01:06:26.904
And then what happened?

01:06:26.909 --> 01:06:29.934
How I then got it then count counts.

01:06:29.934 --> 01:06:32.664
Bethany said, Linda, it's
too much work for you.

01:06:32.994 --> 01:06:38.594
Why don't you just close the school,
sell your school horses and  Okay.

01:06:39.024 --> 01:06:42.924
And find a place where that you
really like near San Francisco.

01:06:42.924 --> 01:06:48.394
Because I was a member of the Los Alto
Summit Club and we were there and  and

01:06:48.394 --> 01:06:52.774
so, and then, you know, it's a much better
place to promote my horses from there.

01:06:53.314 --> 01:06:57.659
So we found a beautiful
place and that's what I did.

01:06:57.659 --> 01:07:03.539
I moved over and I had a huge fancy tipped
in a very fancy sale and sold all our

01:07:03.539 --> 01:07:09.449
school horses to a really good school that
one of our students actually went on and

01:07:09.809 --> 01:07:12.269
knew the horses and was the teacher there.

01:07:12.589 --> 01:07:12.879
Okay.

01:07:13.529 --> 01:07:17.459
And it's in the book some of how our
students went on to be successful.

01:07:18.179 --> 01:07:21.389
Rupert Isaacson: So then now you're
running a new place, you're solo act.

01:07:23.009 --> 01:07:23.229
Yes.

01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:24.669
You're still a long way from Teta.

01:07:24.699 --> 01:07:25.679
Well, no, but, but

01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:26.759
Linda TJ: hold on, hold on.

01:07:26.759 --> 01:07:27.239
I forgot.

01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:28.139
There is another thing.

01:07:28.349 --> 01:07:28.559
Okay.

01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:30.359
I had a.

01:07:31.369 --> 01:07:34.249
relationship with his students.

01:07:34.819 --> 01:07:39.649
And Margaret was much younger, 11 years
younger and Mar and he played Polo.

01:07:39.649 --> 01:07:42.439
And, and Margaret said,
why don't you marry him?

01:07:42.439 --> 01:07:43.639
He can be your concert.

01:07:43.669 --> 01:07:48.859
You can't be in the horse business
in 1970 without a husband.

01:07:49.729 --> 01:07:51.619
You can't be, you can't be sick.

01:07:51.769 --> 01:07:56.869
You know, it wasn't allowed in the
Hunt Club or any of those clubs.

01:07:56.869 --> 01:08:01.329
So I married him and,  that's
a whole other story that

01:08:01.899 --> 01:08:03.339
lasted two and a half years.

01:08:03.344 --> 01:08:08.259
And we had a, a happy
disconnect at that point.

01:08:09.009 --> 01:08:12.609
And,  he went off with  ex-girlfriend
who was working for me at

01:08:12.609 --> 01:08:14.109
the time, and I was so happy.

01:08:14.114 --> 01:08:16.359
You cannot believe it, but
I couldn't tell her that.

01:08:16.364 --> 01:08:16.839
Of course.

01:08:18.309 --> 01:08:19.539
Thank you very much.

01:08:19.839 --> 01:08:21.189
This is a nice shift.

01:08:22.139 --> 01:08:22.499
okay then.

01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:31.199
So I had, I had, and how that happened, I
had the school, it was really a beautiful

01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.749
school over in, in Los Alto Hills.

01:08:34.019 --> 01:08:37.529
We had rented a house next to us
that had six bedrooms and a pool.

01:08:37.769 --> 01:08:38.609
Rupert Isaacson: Los Altos Hills.

01:08:38.609 --> 01:08:39.359
That is now Silicon

01:08:39.364 --> 01:08:39.419
Linda TJ: Valley.

01:08:40.799 --> 01:08:40.919
No.

01:08:41.339 --> 01:08:42.659
Silicon Valley.

01:08:43.109 --> 01:08:44.639
Well, yeah, I guess that's part of it.

01:08:44.644 --> 01:08:45.549
Perhaps that's part, yeah.

01:08:45.779 --> 01:08:46.589
Rupert Isaacson: Sort of what is now.

01:08:46.649 --> 01:08:46.889
Yeah.

01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:47.369
Okay.

01:08:48.509 --> 01:08:49.499
But different back then.

01:08:49.559 --> 01:08:49.949
Okay.

01:08:49.949 --> 01:08:50.579
So you've got this

01:08:50.579 --> 01:08:51.299
Linda TJ: wonderful place.

01:08:52.184 --> 01:08:55.814
And we were, we did a lot of
showing with our horses and we

01:08:55.814 --> 01:08:57.314
had students from all over again.

01:08:57.314 --> 01:09:00.404
But I only took students for
six months at that point.

01:09:00.694 --> 01:09:00.984
Okay.

01:09:01.154 --> 01:09:06.584
And then I got the feeling, wait a
minute, Rupert, I was so disillusioned

01:09:06.584 --> 01:09:11.444
of what was going on in the horse world
because,  it was no better than before.

01:09:11.444 --> 01:09:17.114
There was no more in like,
recognition of the horse's,

01:09:17.294 --> 01:09:19.514
heart right, of their feelings.

01:09:20.114 --> 01:09:25.444
It was just the same old,
dominant thing that was going on.

01:09:26.204 --> 01:09:31.874
And so I, yeah, and I decided that
I had to go around the world and

01:09:31.874 --> 01:09:33.734
find out what I was supposed to do.

01:09:34.514 --> 01:09:34.544
Okay.

01:09:35.204 --> 01:09:43.204
And,  so I was invited, in, I started
in Germany to visit Mar , Ursula Bruns,

01:09:43.209 --> 01:09:46.534
who is responsible for my first book.

01:09:46.564 --> 01:09:51.184
She's the one that sat me down and
said, Linda, you have to start, you

01:09:51.184 --> 01:09:53.424
have to, make a method of this work.

01:09:53.424 --> 01:09:54.294
And it's thanks to her.

01:09:54.294 --> 01:09:59.689
I have my first of these 22 books
now, so,  Anyway, I went to visit

01:09:59.689 --> 01:10:02.509
her and she said, you have to
give a presentation for e quana.

01:10:03.109 --> 01:10:08.989
And I was planning to continue around the
world to go spend some time with a student

01:10:08.994 --> 01:10:11.719
in Africa who was filming gorillas.

01:10:12.109 --> 01:10:14.569
But anyway, I didn't get there.

01:10:15.919 --> 01:10:16.709
And I stayed in Germany.

01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:22.489
And then I developed this, this whole
system, and thanks to Ursula Bruns with

01:10:22.489 --> 01:10:28.639
her camera and sitting me down at the,
those old standard wasn't a typewriter,

01:10:28.639 --> 01:10:32.359
it was, I forget what you call this, in
between the typewriter and the computer.

01:10:33.769 --> 01:10:36.589
Rupert Isaacson: So you had been
using this way to, of empathetic

01:10:36.589 --> 01:10:42.179
touch with horses through this whole,
successful career in,  California.

01:10:42.749 --> 01:10:42.899
Yes.

01:10:42.949 --> 01:10:46.609
and now there you are, you've
come to Germany thinking, oh,

01:10:46.609 --> 01:10:47.629
I'm gonna be a student again.

01:10:47.629 --> 01:10:50.659
I, I need to, need to find out more.

01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:53.329
But now someone's looking at
you going, oh, no, no, no.

01:10:53.334 --> 01:10:54.859
You are the one who's
gotta be the teacher.

01:10:54.859 --> 01:10:58.519
Or is that, is that how it plays out?

01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:00.469
Linda TJ: How it played out?

01:11:00.474 --> 01:11:05.119
First of all,  I wanted to learn because
I've been teaching so much in my life.

01:11:05.659 --> 01:11:11.419
And so when I, I got there and I,
Ursula said, you have to make this

01:11:11.419 --> 01:11:13.399
performance, this presentation for Equa.

01:11:14.299 --> 01:11:18.829
And it was that year, there
were 136,000 people who visited

01:11:18.979 --> 01:11:20.599
Equa over those nine days.

01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:27.629
And,  So I took my partner at the
time, Roger Russell and four,  three,

01:11:27.809 --> 01:11:31.499
two other young men and four horses.

01:11:31.499 --> 01:11:35.999
And we trained them to do a quad
drill of four jumping with no bridals.

01:11:36.509 --> 01:11:38.879
And it was sensation of e quana.

01:11:38.909 --> 01:11:40.499
It was in all the magazine.

01:11:40.979 --> 01:11:43.949
And what the magazines wrote
is, oh my gosh, so many

01:11:43.949 --> 01:11:45.179
people are going to be killed.

01:11:45.689 --> 01:11:48.449
You know, this is such a terrible idea.

01:11:48.749 --> 01:11:55.619
And now this last time, Rupert, you've
seen in every discipline at Equa across

01:11:55.624 --> 01:11:57.829
the board, English, western dressage.

01:11:58.179 --> 01:11:58.469
Yeah.

01:11:59.009 --> 01:12:01.919
Everybody's riding with
nothing on their horse's head.

01:12:01.924 --> 01:12:02.269
Absolutely.

01:12:02.339 --> 01:12:04.289
Yeah, because it's the truss.

01:12:04.979 --> 01:12:10.019
So I wanna, I wanna get outta this
long story and take you to the

01:12:10.019 --> 01:12:11.699
story of how Te Touch developed.

01:12:11.859 --> 01:12:12.149
Okay.

01:12:12.749 --> 01:12:14.909
So I'm,  I'm in Germany.

01:12:15.799 --> 01:12:22.139
After Eton, I'm asked to teach a
writing class, because they wanted

01:12:22.349 --> 01:12:24.269
to know how I did this stuff, right?

01:12:24.689 --> 01:12:29.849
So we sent up, , A class and the
advertisement, you had to either be

01:12:29.849 --> 01:12:34.919
a, an adult writer with fear from
accidents, but an experienced rider, or

01:12:34.919 --> 01:12:36.539
you had to have a horse who's fearful.

01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:40.859
And so my organizer said,
you don't need a translator.

01:12:41.009 --> 01:12:42.539
Every German speaks English.

01:12:42.659 --> 01:12:45.749
Not true, as you may
have found out indeed.

01:12:47.819 --> 01:12:52.349
So I went in there and I got there and
not one person spoke one word of English.

01:12:52.349 --> 01:12:56.999
So I, growing up in Canada, had
had four years of French and Latin.

01:12:57.389 --> 01:13:03.659
And so I knew how to conjugate, so I just
wrote down 10 words I needed for teaching.

01:13:03.799 --> 01:13:06.989
And I thought, this is
great, this is really fun.

01:13:07.499 --> 01:13:11.969
So I started using those words and we
had an amazing time on that weekend.

01:13:12.719 --> 01:13:17.859
And so,  the Ursula Bruns who had
organized that and had already sold

01:13:17.859 --> 01:13:21.459
books with three quarters of a million
readers, sh everybody knew her.

01:13:21.459 --> 01:13:23.199
She was amazing human being.

01:13:23.799 --> 01:13:27.819
And she's the one who took me under her
wing and said, you have to make a method.

01:13:27.819 --> 01:13:29.199
When she saw what I was doing.

01:13:29.799 --> 01:13:34.899
And so my partner who was with me
traveling with me, Roger Russell,

01:13:36.019 --> 01:13:43.789
he, I was asked to form this
writing school that would be head

01:13:43.909 --> 01:13:45.979
set up by these, you know, really.

01:13:46.639 --> 01:13:49.069
Organized Germans and
I would be the teacher.

01:13:49.459 --> 01:13:54.529
And Roger wanted to have something to
teach, and he, we had been doing the

01:13:54.529 --> 01:14:00.319
Felden Christ work one time, one lesson
at Essel and Institute the year before.

01:14:00.679 --> 01:14:05.169
And it had made such a difference to
the movement, my movement as a writer,

01:14:06.169 --> 01:14:11.989
because in the classical way of getting
into writing, you write in one position

01:14:12.019 --> 01:14:13.699
depending on your discipline, right?

01:14:13.789 --> 01:14:13.879
Mm-hmm.

01:14:14.124 --> 01:14:14.209
Mm-hmm.

01:14:14.299 --> 01:14:18.679
So this gave me the movement in my pelvis,
thanks to this Feld in Christ, awareness

01:14:18.679 --> 01:14:20.539
for movement like I had never had.

01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:21.929
And it was incredible.

01:14:22.339 --> 01:14:28.009
So Roger decided he wanted to
bring that and implement it in

01:14:28.009 --> 01:14:29.449
the writing that we were doing.

01:14:30.169 --> 01:14:35.269
So he signed up for a class in San
Francisco, and I took one look at

01:14:35.269 --> 01:14:37.429
the brochure because it was Dr.

01:14:37.429 --> 01:14:41.369
Moshe Feld Rice from Israel teaching
at the Humanistic Psychology

01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:43.459
Institute in San Francisco.

01:14:44.269 --> 01:14:48.199
And it was to be a three year course,
which turned out to be actually four

01:14:48.199 --> 01:14:50.209
years, because you felt we weren't ready.

01:14:50.659 --> 01:14:55.639
So I took one look at it and I said, I,
I know I have to do this for my students.

01:14:55.849 --> 01:14:58.579
Never crossed my mind rippert
that it would make such a

01:14:58.584 --> 01:15:00.439
difference for me or for the work.

01:15:00.829 --> 01:15:08.599
And so I, it was a 12 week course,
four days a week from 10 till four.

01:15:09.049 --> 01:15:13.189
And then all year you did the
studying and moving and practicing

01:15:13.669 --> 01:15:18.939
and,  So the second day in the class,
we're lying on the floor, and he

01:15:18.939 --> 01:15:21.819
is, he's making this statement, Dr.

01:15:21.939 --> 01:15:26.559
Moe Felden Christ made this statement
that it's possible for a human to learn

01:15:26.559 --> 01:15:32.019
in one experience using these gentle,
non habitual movements that activate

01:15:32.024 --> 01:15:37.119
new neural pathways to the brain, that
give us more potential for learning.

01:15:37.569 --> 01:15:40.599
And I'm lying on the floor
doing these movements.

01:15:40.599 --> 01:15:41.619
He's leading it through.

01:15:41.919 --> 01:15:45.129
And I felt my, my ears
prick up like a horse.

01:15:45.129 --> 01:15:48.069
And I thought, wait a minute,
if this is true for a human,

01:15:48.069 --> 01:15:49.299
it's gotta be true for a horse.

01:15:49.749 --> 01:15:54.729
So I, after class that
day, I called a man.

01:15:54.729 --> 01:15:59.959
I had just met who had brought a group of
Arabian th  br Mayors down from Montana.

01:16:00.649 --> 01:16:04.849
And I had been interested
in buying one of them.

01:16:04.854 --> 01:16:08.539
And so I called him and I said, do you
have any of the horses have any issue

01:16:08.569 --> 01:16:12.349
that habit, that you'd like to be changed?

01:16:12.349 --> 01:16:16.739
And he said, well, I have this one
horse that,  every day to catch her, to

01:16:16.739 --> 01:16:18.989
bring her into the stable for her food.

01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:21.539
You know, for the night
I had to chase her.

01:16:21.959 --> 01:16:22.949
It's not logical.

01:16:22.949 --> 01:16:25.799
So he chased her up and brought her to me.

01:16:25.804 --> 01:16:32.219
I, I came out after class and I did about
30 minutes of what I call exploring.

01:16:32.669 --> 01:16:35.429
And we had already, I wanna show you this.

01:16:36.271 --> 01:16:37.291
Two books here.

01:16:37.561 --> 01:16:40.351
We had already written this book.

01:16:41.401 --> 01:16:42.451
This is Belvin Christ.

01:16:42.691 --> 01:16:45.121
This is, no, this is
just a booklet we had,

01:16:45.601 --> 01:16:47.371
Rupert Isaacson: but you've had
written that you guys have put out

01:16:47.761 --> 01:16:48.061
Linda TJ: Yes.

01:16:48.061 --> 01:16:51.241
15 years before we wrote
this booklet called Physical

01:16:51.246 --> 01:16:52.891
Therapy for the Athletic Horse.

01:16:52.921 --> 01:16:53.211
Okay.

01:16:53.371 --> 01:16:55.971
Using these gypsy movements Ah, okay.

01:16:56.341 --> 01:17:00.661
To help our horses recover
after hard athletic endeavor.

01:17:01.411 --> 01:17:05.761
And, but it never crossed my mind
that you could change the habit of

01:17:05.761 --> 01:17:07.801
a horse or change their behavior.

01:17:08.461 --> 01:17:15.201
And so,  I started working on this
horse as we had done, you know, moving

01:17:15.201 --> 01:17:18.711
the legs and diff moving different
parts of the body in ways that

01:17:18.716 --> 01:17:20.481
horses would not move themselves.

01:17:21.111 --> 01:17:21.651
And

01:17:21.841 --> 01:17:22.081
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

01:17:22.081 --> 01:17:23.361
Novel movement in,

01:17:23.521 --> 01:17:26.921
Linda TJ: but yes, with a new thought.

01:17:28.521 --> 01:17:32.851
And the new thought was, wait
a minute, what are the neural

01:17:32.851 --> 01:17:35.041
pathways that will be activated?

01:17:35.041 --> 01:17:38.671
Because I'm moving this with
awareness in a way that this

01:17:38.671 --> 01:17:40.771
horse could not do it herself.

01:17:41.581 --> 01:17:45.901
And so I moved the legs with
that in mind, what are the neural

01:17:45.906 --> 01:17:47.521
connections that are happening?

01:17:47.911 --> 01:17:50.971
Will this horse be able
to learn new behaviors?

01:17:52.561 --> 01:17:56.071
So, I was simply what I
call exploring Rupert.

01:17:56.521 --> 01:18:00.191
And so, I did this thing and
people watched me and they

01:18:00.196 --> 01:18:01.631
thought I'd hypnotize the horse.

01:18:01.631 --> 01:18:02.531
She was so quiet.

01:18:02.891 --> 01:18:04.781
This is a horse that
had never been ridden.

01:18:05.171 --> 01:18:07.841
So I, I moved her head in
different ways and took her

01:18:07.841 --> 01:18:09.881
ears and her legs and her tail.

01:18:10.341 --> 01:18:14.741
And then he, I went home and didn't
think anymore, and he turned her loose.

01:18:15.401 --> 01:18:17.981
And he called me the next day and
he said, you won't believe this.

01:18:17.986 --> 01:18:22.451
When I went to catch her, to put her
back in this table, she came to the gate.

01:18:23.111 --> 01:18:27.701
And when I put her in this stall,
instead of diving for the food, she stood

01:18:27.701 --> 01:18:30.291
there next to me, like, do something.

01:18:31.181 --> 01:18:32.981
And I thought, holy mackerel.

01:18:33.011 --> 01:18:37.901
Okay, now how did I get
to where I am here today?

01:18:38.591 --> 01:18:41.261
The next level of this is this book.

01:18:42.101 --> 01:18:45.971
So at the end of the first summer
in San Francisco at the Humanistic

01:18:45.971 --> 01:18:48.131
Psychology Institute, Dr.

01:18:48.131 --> 01:18:52.181
Moshe Felden Christ recommended
this book, it's called Man on His

01:18:52.181 --> 01:18:54.371
Nature, by Sir Charles Sherington.

01:18:54.881 --> 01:19:00.941
Sherington was a Nobel Prize winner who,
who won the Nobel Prize for the, talking

01:19:00.946 --> 01:19:02.981
about futons a light in the cells.

01:19:03.791 --> 01:19:08.171
And when I read that book, I was
sitting in Marvin Pic restaurant in

01:19:08.171 --> 01:19:13.691
Stuttgart, Germany, in a February
cold rainy day reading this book.

01:19:15.131 --> 01:19:16.961
And sh Dr.

01:19:16.966 --> 01:19:21.311
She, Charles Sherington, made
the statement that the, that the.

01:19:21.776 --> 01:19:25.406
Every cell in the body knows
its function in the body.

01:19:25.706 --> 01:19:31.286
And he told the story in such
fascinating description of how if we

01:19:31.286 --> 01:19:37.076
cut ourselves talking about how the,
how the cell, how the body knows which

01:19:37.076 --> 01:19:39.176
fluids to send to that for healing.

01:19:39.506 --> 01:19:42.146
And I suddenly realized, wait a minute.

01:19:42.716 --> 01:19:49.766
If every cell in the body knows it's
function in this body, then all I

01:19:49.771 --> 01:19:54.416
have to do, if I am working on a
horse or a person who has a problem,

01:19:54.806 --> 01:20:00.476
all I have to do is say, cells remind
this body, remind these cells of

01:20:00.476 --> 01:20:02.456
their potential for ideal function.

01:20:02.786 --> 01:20:04.706
And it's just a thought that I had.

01:20:05.216 --> 01:20:08.426
And so I, I would have that thought.

01:20:08.696 --> 01:20:14.216
And what I found is, wow, I could, this
is way before the circles, I could really

01:20:14.221 --> 01:20:21.176
make a difference in how a horse felt and
how they behaved by just having this sense

01:20:21.176 --> 01:20:29.876
of giving new information in the body by
these gentle movements and the next level.

01:20:29.936 --> 01:20:32.726
So I was very successful with
this and we found that we

01:20:32.731 --> 01:20:34.406
could really change behavior.

01:20:34.436 --> 01:20:38.846
And one of the stories you might
appreciate, and you've gotta jump

01:20:38.846 --> 01:20:42.146
in and stop me cuz once I get on
a roll with this, I just, it's so,

01:20:42.686 --> 01:20:44.306
it takes me back to those days.

01:20:44.366 --> 01:20:48.371
So, We're looking for other
horses to try these theory on.

01:20:48.371 --> 01:20:48.701
Right?

01:20:49.091 --> 01:20:57.071
So another day I go out to a polo
barn, belong to a polo player I

01:20:57.071 --> 01:21:03.156
knew and he had also school horses
and he had one horse, , si another

01:21:03.246 --> 01:21:06.556
older mayor that he played Polo one.

01:21:06.556 --> 01:21:10.666
But they couldn't use her in the jumping
program for students because she would

01:21:10.666 --> 01:21:13.216
not step over a line in the sand.

01:21:13.426 --> 01:21:16.366
So of course she wouldn't jump
a pole or step over a pole.

01:21:17.086 --> 01:21:20.536
So I'm kind of scratching my head
and thinking, Hmm, interesting.

01:21:20.536 --> 01:21:23.746
So we're standing out in the arena
and they're a bunch of poles lying

01:21:23.746 --> 01:21:25.366
around cuz it was a jumping arena.

01:21:25.966 --> 01:21:32.236
And , I'm at her tail and Racher,
my partner at the time is today, my

01:21:32.236 --> 01:21:37.676
good friend always, he was at her
head and , I was doing something

01:21:37.676 --> 01:21:41.216
with her tail and suddenly this horse
was standing there with her head up.

01:21:42.086 --> 01:21:46.226
She just dropped her head and
walked forward over a pole.

01:21:47.156 --> 01:21:49.436
I thought, holy mackerel.

01:21:50.336 --> 01:21:51.416
That's interesting.

01:21:51.566 --> 01:21:56.606
So we drew some lines in the sand,
first of all, just with our foot and

01:21:56.666 --> 01:22:00.476
I would work her tail and he could
lower her head and she'd step over it.

01:22:00.506 --> 01:22:05.006
Then we got her working over pole and
Rupert, my God, when I think about.

01:22:05.786 --> 01:22:09.536
The re relationship of the
tail and the cranial sacral

01:22:09.536 --> 01:22:10.976
fluid that we understand today.

01:22:11.396 --> 01:22:11.816
Mm-hmm.

01:22:11.901 --> 01:22:14.486
You know, and the ears with all of that.

01:22:14.486 --> 01:22:16.046
It's fascinating.

01:22:16.316 --> 01:22:16.766
Okay.

01:22:16.946 --> 01:22:18.236
So another discovery.

01:22:18.626 --> 01:22:23.157
So we started working with the different,
continuing to work on different parts

01:22:23.456 --> 01:22:27.026
of the body and was very successful.

01:22:27.026 --> 01:22:32.576
My whole next book that's still in
print,  the introduction to the work

01:22:32.636 --> 01:22:39.696
was 2020 horses for, four weeks that
we took them horses with big, big

01:22:39.696 --> 01:22:46.746
problems like runaways or really
dangerous spook, spooky horses.

01:22:47.286 --> 01:22:55.246
And so the next miracle that happened
in my life, this was,  I was giving

01:22:55.686 --> 01:23:00.666
a workshop at the Delaware Equine
Veterinary Clinic and Matthew McKay Smith.

01:23:00.666 --> 01:23:01.956
Did you ever meet Matthew?

01:23:02.066 --> 01:23:02.366
He was,

01:23:02.486 --> 01:23:02.916
Rupert Isaacson: I did.

01:23:02.916 --> 01:23:08.356
I actually met, I knew the McKay Smiths
because I,  worked in Middleburg,

01:23:08.356 --> 01:23:12.706
Virginia for my first ever horse
training job in America when I was

01:23:12.916 --> 01:23:14.906
very, very young,  500 years ago.

01:23:14.911 --> 01:23:18.236
And,  I, I knew them and I knew they,
they were the top people for producing,

01:23:18.336 --> 01:23:21.426
endurance horses at that time, as well
as all sorts of other disciplines.

01:23:21.426 --> 01:23:21.666
Yeah.

01:23:22.086 --> 01:23:23.376
And Dr.

01:23:23.381 --> 01:23:25.446
McKay Smith was the go-to guru?

01:23:25.476 --> 01:23:25.986
Absolutely.

01:23:25.986 --> 01:23:26.976
As a, as a vet too.

01:23:28.281 --> 01:23:31.551
Linda TJ: Oh, well, he and his wife were
really good friends and I knew him from

01:23:31.551 --> 01:23:33.741
the time he was almost out of vet school.

01:23:34.061 --> 01:23:34.531
Thank you.

01:23:34.531 --> 01:23:38.241
And he was a veterinary editor
for Equi Magazine for years.

01:23:38.246 --> 01:23:39.471
I remember that, yes.

01:23:39.741 --> 01:23:40.041
Yep.

01:23:40.101 --> 01:23:46.101
And,  he loved what I did, and
his mother had a bunch of, I can't

01:23:46.361 --> 01:23:50.561
remember the breed right now, one
of the canons I think she bred.

01:23:51.041 --> 01:23:53.851
And I remember him, wanting
to tube one of them.

01:23:53.856 --> 01:23:58.291
And he wanted me to work with this horse
to try it because the horse was really

01:23:58.291 --> 01:24:02.852
wild and basically unhandled and he
hadn't, hadn't been able to tube her.

01:24:03.361 --> 01:24:07.351
So what I did was do some of the work
we do and then I took the nostrils

01:24:07.351 --> 01:24:11.911
and I just moved the nostrils
in all different directions, you

01:24:11.916 --> 01:24:13.471
know, with and around the mouth.

01:24:13.891 --> 01:24:17.131
That's how all of that
really was influence.

01:24:17.431 --> 01:24:20.951
And then he could put a tube
up her nose, just like that.

01:24:21.091 --> 01:24:23.551
Rupert Isaacson: And by the way, again,
for those listeners who, dunno why you

01:24:23.551 --> 01:24:26.911
would put a tube up, a horse's nose,
you do it to save a horse's life.

01:24:27.031 --> 01:24:31.951
When a horse is colicking and the CO is
impacted, the horse can die very quickly.

01:24:32.321 --> 01:24:35.526
and one way you can help with
this is to put oil through

01:24:35.526 --> 01:24:36.866
the,  through the digestive cann.

01:24:37.016 --> 01:24:38.746
You don't do it through the
mouth, you do it through the

01:24:38.746 --> 01:24:40.466
nose,  and it's called intubating.

01:24:40.596 --> 01:24:44.506
and if you can't intubate the
horse,  in crisis, you may well

01:24:44.536 --> 01:24:45.766
may very well lose the horse.

01:24:46.006 --> 01:24:47.506
So it's, it's quite crucial.

01:24:47.846 --> 01:24:49.461
And some horses accept it, no problem.

01:24:49.466 --> 01:24:50.151
They just sort of stand there.

01:24:50.676 --> 01:24:51.216
Other horses.

01:24:51.216 --> 01:24:51.876
Clearly not.

01:24:51.996 --> 01:24:55.681
So this is really interesting cuz I've
seen one, one of my first,  exposures to

01:24:55.681 --> 01:25:00.351
your work, Linda, was,  you remember when
you were in Texas with us and we had our

01:25:00.351 --> 01:25:05.951
three stallions,  and you were showing
us how to put our, our fingers inside

01:25:05.951 --> 01:25:09.761
the mouth and massage the gums and so on.

01:25:09.761 --> 01:25:12.341
And so that was the first time
anyone had said, oh, stick your

01:25:12.341 --> 01:25:13.331
finger in the stallion's mouth.

01:25:13.571 --> 01:25:16.571
I'm like, well, if Linda's telling
me to do it, it must be good.

01:25:16.571 --> 01:25:17.111
So we did.

01:25:17.621 --> 01:25:21.691
And  we found indeed,  our
horses all became little puppies.

01:25:22.081 --> 01:25:26.491
So I that's very interesting
that, I guess necessity's always

01:25:26.491 --> 01:25:27.691
the mother of invention, right?

01:25:28.561 --> 01:25:32.041
How else would one discover something like
this, but in some sort of crisis where

01:25:32.551 --> 01:25:37.711
you've got to draw upon what the resources
of what you've learned and see what works.

01:25:37.771 --> 01:25:38.671
And that's interesting.

01:25:39.031 --> 01:25:44.161
Linda TJ: Well, actually, the way I
came about it is a longer trip and I,

01:25:44.221 --> 01:25:45.811
sorry to go on so long, but it's fa hey.

01:25:45.981 --> 01:25:46.201
No,

01:25:46.201 --> 01:25:47.221
Rupert Isaacson: no, it's fascinating.

01:25:47.221 --> 01:25:48.061
As long as you want.

01:25:48.571 --> 01:25:50.911
Linda TJ: So that with, with Dr.

01:25:50.916 --> 01:25:56.941
McKay Smith and the nostrils, that
was, that came as a result of a

01:25:56.971 --> 01:26:01.561
lecture that I had in my,  advanced
training of the Peda Krest work we had.

01:26:01.661 --> 01:26:06.461
We had a neurologist, an Israeli
neurologist talking to us about watching

01:26:06.461 --> 01:26:11.951
the mouth movements of a newborn infant,
a human, and that if they were abnormal,

01:26:11.951 --> 01:26:15.281
there was some dysfunction neurologically.

01:26:15.821 --> 01:26:20.201
And so like two weeks after I was in
San Francisco having that lecture, I

01:26:20.201 --> 01:26:24.671
was back in Germany working with a horse
at someone that sent to me for a week.

01:26:25.061 --> 01:26:28.901
They wanted to know if I could work
with her to make her friendlier

01:26:29.141 --> 01:26:31.061
because she didn't like to be caught.

01:26:31.061 --> 01:26:36.161
And she, she wasn't particularly friendly,
so, and she was really hard to bridle.

01:26:36.491 --> 01:26:40.301
So what I noticed that her
mouth was really tight.

01:26:41.021 --> 01:26:43.481
And so I thought, oh, that's interesting.

01:26:43.571 --> 01:26:44.891
I'll just play around.

01:26:45.521 --> 01:26:47.831
You know, this thing I call exploring.

01:26:47.891 --> 01:26:49.211
This is before the circles.

01:26:49.241 --> 01:26:52.481
I play around with her mouth and her chin.

01:26:53.051 --> 01:26:56.711
And now today we do circles on
it, but that's what we did then.

01:26:56.931 --> 01:27:02.531
And I found out and I put my mouth, my
fingers up here, up on the gums, right.

01:27:03.341 --> 01:27:10.901
And I found out that in a very short
time, she would relax and then I

01:27:10.901 --> 01:27:14.261
could, was able to open the mouth
and get her to open her teeth.

01:27:14.261 --> 01:27:17.591
And bridle her and her
attitude really changed.

01:27:18.071 --> 01:27:22.031
And then I started talking
about that and teaching it.

01:27:22.036 --> 01:27:26.411
And then I found another book that's
here on my shelf and it's called,

01:27:26.511 --> 01:27:28.961
emotional intelligence by Daniel Goldman.

01:27:29.661 --> 01:27:32.211
And in the second it's about humans.

01:27:32.751 --> 01:27:36.831
And in the second chapter, he talks
about the fact that around the mouth

01:27:36.831 --> 01:27:42.081
and the nose, our taste in the smell
affect our,  our brain in a way

01:27:42.086 --> 01:27:47.091
that overcomes fear, that it affects
the emotional centers of our brain.

01:27:47.551 --> 01:27:50.241
Rupert Isaacson: Makes, makes perfect
sense since we were infants, right?

01:27:50.241 --> 01:27:50.661
Yes.

01:27:51.171 --> 01:27:51.471
Linda TJ: Yeah.

01:27:52.101 --> 01:27:55.301
All this sucking stuff, you
know, that we do to mm-hmm.

01:27:56.031 --> 01:27:56.361
Rupert Isaacson: Self-sooth.

01:27:56.661 --> 01:27:57.341
Yeah, absolutely.

01:27:57.711 --> 01:27:57.951
Yeah.

01:27:58.581 --> 01:27:59.662
Linda TJ: So that's how I got there.

01:27:59.667 --> 01:28:04.011
And with the, the nostrils, it was, it
was just, I don't know how I went, man.

01:28:04.041 --> 01:28:07.581
I can't remember the first time I did
the nostrils, but maybe after reading

01:28:07.581 --> 01:28:10.881
that chapter that it wasn't just the
mouth, that was the nostrils also.

01:28:11.991 --> 01:28:18.621
So as a result of that Rupert, that
Matthew McKay Smith was fascinated,

01:28:18.621 --> 01:28:20.221
and, but he always say it was me.

01:28:20.801 --> 01:28:24.891
You know, it wasn't the method
because he hadn't seen my students

01:28:24.891 --> 01:28:26.421
be able to do the same thing.

01:28:26.991 --> 01:28:30.101
And so,  he, did you ever meet Dr.

01:28:30.101 --> 01:28:34.261
Dan, Daniel, Dan, Dan
Daniel Marks, no, I did not.

01:28:34.741 --> 01:28:39.991
Well, he was the friend of Matthew
McKay Smith, and he was the, the

01:28:39.991 --> 01:28:41.941
vet for the American Jumping Team.

01:28:42.131 --> 01:28:42.421
Okay.

01:28:42.961 --> 01:28:46.471
And he had also seen me work cuz I
had done, I had gone with them to

01:28:46.471 --> 01:28:48.181
work on a horse at the King Ranch.

01:28:49.441 --> 01:28:53.881
And so they invited me to do a
workshop at their center and they had

01:28:53.881 --> 01:28:56.791
a bunch of the three day adventures
and different people come in and I

01:28:56.791 --> 01:29:00.121
worked with their horses showing them
how they could improve performance

01:29:00.121 --> 01:29:01.711
with the work, the Darlington work.

01:29:02.251 --> 01:29:06.191
And  so one of the horses belonged
to one of the other vets and they

01:29:06.191 --> 01:29:10.301
didn't know what was wrong with
her because in those days all you

01:29:10.301 --> 01:29:11.921
did was measure from the knee.

01:29:12.071 --> 01:29:14.921
I mean X-ray from the
knees in the hawks down.

01:29:15.521 --> 01:29:20.501
For those of you not in the horse world
today, veterinarians look at every aspect

01:29:20.501 --> 01:29:26.101
of the horse with,  the back, the hips,
the neck, none of that with the jaw.

01:29:26.341 --> 01:29:30.721
Our x-rayed and their have ultrasound,
they have everything we humans have.

01:29:31.081 --> 01:29:32.911
It was not available then.

01:29:33.511 --> 01:29:36.241
So they wanted me to put my
hands on this horse and figure

01:29:36.241 --> 01:29:39.211
out why was she so aggressive.

01:29:39.211 --> 01:29:44.581
Like she'd pin her ears and snap
her teeth and move, threaten to kick

01:29:44.581 --> 01:29:49.201
when you just approached her with
a grooming thing or with a saddle.

01:29:49.891 --> 01:29:57.661
And so I just went up to her
quietly like this and, and just

01:29:57.661 --> 01:30:00.871
put my hands on her rib area.

01:30:03.931 --> 01:30:07.021
And I didn't recognize what
I was doing in those days.

01:30:07.021 --> 01:30:13.081
Today, what I absolutely know, Rupert,
is I'm just giving her this message.

01:30:13.171 --> 01:30:14.191
Feel yourself.

01:30:14.761 --> 01:30:20.041
And I see the horse not as
aggressive or not as a problem,

01:30:20.046 --> 01:30:24.181
but just feel yourself feel.

01:30:24.661 --> 01:30:28.561
And today all I have to do is
add to that you're a miracle.

01:30:28.861 --> 01:30:31.741
I mean, we are miracles, okay?

01:30:32.071 --> 01:30:33.871
And the horse got really quiet.

01:30:33.901 --> 01:30:35.281
She didn't pin her ears.

01:30:35.611 --> 01:30:37.351
She didn't move aside.

01:30:37.771 --> 01:30:45.361
And the, her, the wife of her,  of her
owner said, Linda, what are you doing?

01:30:45.661 --> 01:30:47.821
Why is my horse not aggressive?

01:30:47.826 --> 01:30:53.011
Why is she not trying to, you
know, bite you or kick you?

01:30:53.431 --> 01:30:55.621
And I said, intuitively.

01:30:55.711 --> 01:30:57.781
And now we get back to
this word, intuition.

01:30:58.921 --> 01:31:01.831
You must learn to trust
your intuition intuitively.

01:31:01.831 --> 01:31:06.241
I said, don't worry what I'm doing,
just walk up, put your hands on the

01:31:06.246 --> 01:31:10.291
shoulder and move the skin in a circle.

01:31:11.911 --> 01:31:13.921
I didn't say a circle in
a quarter in those days.

01:31:13.921 --> 01:31:16.621
That came way later, move
the skin in a circle.

01:31:17.161 --> 01:31:20.731
And when I said that, I
thought, oh, that's interesting.

01:31:20.731 --> 01:31:22.021
I don't know what that's about.

01:31:22.921 --> 01:31:25.081
So I didn't tell her, I didn't
know what I was talking about.

01:31:25.081 --> 01:31:27.061
So she went up and she just gently.

01:31:27.661 --> 01:31:32.731
Pushed the skin, not with a, just
lightly pushed the skin in a circle

01:31:33.691 --> 01:31:35.371
and the horse let her do this.

01:31:35.371 --> 01:31:38.881
Like all over her ribcage, didn't
move to the side, didn't pin her

01:31:38.881 --> 01:31:41.071
ears, didn't like threaten to bite.

01:31:41.761 --> 01:31:45.301
And she said she couldn't believe it.

01:31:45.301 --> 01:31:47.881
And when I saw that, I
couldn't believe it either.

01:31:48.151 --> 01:31:49.741
And I thought, wait a minute.

01:31:50.431 --> 01:31:54.091
It takes years to learn this
beautiful feld in Christ method.

01:31:54.541 --> 01:31:57.211
Anybody can move the skin in a circle.

01:31:57.511 --> 01:32:00.091
And that's when I started
following the circles.

01:32:01.741 --> 01:32:04.171
And that's what we do today.

01:32:04.231 --> 01:32:08.221
And for years now for
humans and horses and dogs.

01:32:08.641 --> 01:32:16.231
We can relieve fear or pain, reduce
pain just for this, what we now

01:32:16.231 --> 01:32:17.941
know is a one and a quarter circle.

01:32:18.781 --> 01:32:20.821
And it's taken years to come to that.

01:32:20.821 --> 01:32:25.981
This is a long story, as you can see with
a lot of influence from a lot of people.

01:32:28.201 --> 01:32:32.361
Rupert Isaacson: So when I first,  was
exposed to your method,  I remember

01:32:32.361 --> 01:32:34.821
wondering why circle in a quarter?

01:32:36.321 --> 01:32:40.931
So for those listeners,  who aren't
familiar,  and hopefully there's lots

01:32:40.931 --> 01:32:44.811
of you because,  then you can all
have the treat of learning te touch,

01:32:44.911 --> 01:32:46.081
because it works for people too.

01:32:46.981 --> 01:32:49.351
it basically the, the, the basic pattern.

01:32:49.786 --> 01:32:54.946
Which gets communicated when you're a
rookie is there is this way of moving

01:32:55.366 --> 01:33:00.436
the skin gently in a pattern that
is basically a circle and a quarter.

01:33:01.516 --> 01:33:06.376
Not a lot of pressure, but not too little
pressure, but it's a circle and a quarter.

01:33:07.186 --> 01:33:14.076
And,  the quarter, if I'm, correct
me if I'm wrong, the, the, the, the

01:33:14.346 --> 01:33:19.896
quarter circle at the end that you end
with seems usually to, if I'm not wrong

01:33:19.896 --> 01:33:21.846
to be an upstroke, is that correct?

01:33:22.176 --> 01:33:22.626
Correct.

01:33:22.956 --> 01:33:26.666
and I've been using it, thank
God I just checked using it.

01:33:27.046 --> 01:33:31.216
But,  it, it works, it works on my horses,
it works on my dogs, it works on my kids.

01:33:31.216 --> 01:33:31.846
It works on me.

01:33:32.386 --> 01:33:38.696
the moment you, Linda showed this to
us,  because we were also running a large

01:33:38.816 --> 01:33:42.237
facility with horses trained at a very
high level with lots of clients coming

01:33:42.242 --> 01:33:46.916
in from all over the world, and a lot
of pressure on us to, you know, have

01:33:46.916 --> 01:33:51.391
horses that would show up,  in a good
mood,  to do what they needed to do.

01:33:51.391 --> 01:33:55.081
And so we were always obviously interested
in anything, anything we could learn

01:33:55.086 --> 01:33:56.911
to make it nicer for our horses.

01:33:56.911 --> 01:33:59.341
And we still, so I remember
when you first showed up, Linda,

01:33:59.411 --> 01:34:02.101
and you showed us this and.

01:34:02.911 --> 01:34:04.141
I remember thinking, ah, yes.

01:34:04.141 --> 01:34:05.461
Like all genius things.

01:34:05.461 --> 01:34:06.511
It's something simple.

01:34:07.111 --> 01:34:10.651
But one of these days I'm gonna get
to ask you when there's not a million

01:34:10.651 --> 01:34:13.261
of your students around and other
people, and I haven't got my hands on

01:34:13.261 --> 01:34:18.001
a horse and I'm trying to figure out
what to do, what's the quarter bit?

01:34:18.151 --> 01:34:20.041
Why the circle and the quarter.

01:34:21.781 --> 01:34:26.281
Linda TJ: This is where I wish we,
we, we had the, I could draw it here.

01:34:26.551 --> 01:34:29.881
You see, I first said
push the skin in a circle.

01:34:29.886 --> 01:34:30.141
Mm-hmm.

01:34:30.226 --> 01:34:35.911
And then I, I changed the push cuz it
could it, see, I can move it in a circle.

01:34:36.121 --> 01:34:39.181
Sometimes it's feather
light, so you can't push.

01:34:39.191 --> 01:34:39.541
Right.

01:34:39.681 --> 01:34:41.551
So move it in a circle.

01:34:41.821 --> 01:34:47.341
And then I realized if you do it, all of
you watching this, if, if you just imagine

01:34:47.791 --> 01:34:53.371
a circle here and catch the skin, and
actually I'm going to give you, I'm going

01:34:53.376 --> 01:34:57.571
to have you imagine up there on the wall
there's a clock, you know, the kind that

01:34:57.571 --> 01:35:03.511
we used to have in schools where you had
numbers, not, not this digital things, but

01:35:03.511 --> 01:35:06.991
where you've got a round thing like I have
above me and you have the numbers on it.

01:35:09.151 --> 01:35:12.631
So there's a reason for doing this
and you'll see it in a moment.

01:35:12.991 --> 01:35:18.301
So I imagine take that clock and I
put it here on my chest, which is

01:35:19.351 --> 01:35:20.971
considered to be your heart chakra.

01:35:21.181 --> 01:35:21.271
Mm-hmm.

01:35:21.511 --> 01:35:21.871
Right here.

01:35:22.711 --> 01:35:26.101
And, and I put imaginary numbers on it.

01:35:26.941 --> 01:35:28.891
I put six toward the ground.

01:35:29.411 --> 01:35:34.531
And I put up here, I put my, toward
my right shoulder, I put my nine.

01:35:34.741 --> 01:35:36.271
Just imagine it from the outside.

01:35:36.541 --> 01:35:40.051
12 up towards the chin and
three towards the left shoulder.

01:35:41.161 --> 01:35:47.881
Now there's a real purpose that I say
that direction and now I'm gonna make a

01:35:47.881 --> 01:35:53.701
tiny circle so you can see how actually
small it is, it is not this big thing.

01:35:53.706 --> 01:35:53.891
Mm-hmm.

01:35:53.891 --> 01:35:54.291
Mm-hmm.

01:35:54.481 --> 01:35:58.891
I put one hand over the other, I
move from six with a big breast,

01:35:58.891 --> 01:36:01.021
try it six up to your nine.

01:36:01.081 --> 01:36:02.191
And I do it lightly.

01:36:02.196 --> 01:36:07.801
Don't press hard just enough to catch
the skin and move it so it can be, I'm

01:36:07.801 --> 01:36:19.051
using the heel of my hand there, there,
and I go 6, 9, 12, 3, 6 up to nine and I

01:36:19.051 --> 01:36:24.241
stop and I just release, I just did it.

01:36:24.961 --> 01:36:26.941
Try the, yeah, yeah,

01:36:27.161 --> 01:36:27.461
Rupert Isaacson: go ahead.

01:36:27.461 --> 01:36:30.511
Okay, so let, let's just get, let's
just get the, the listeners to do it.

01:36:30.511 --> 01:36:33.631
So if you're, if you're driving
a car right now, love view will

01:36:33.631 --> 01:36:35.041
be, you're gonna need two hands.

01:36:35.041 --> 01:36:39.061
So if you're not on the freeway,
pull over cuz this is worth a shot.

01:36:39.481 --> 01:36:40.051
It does work.

01:36:40.351 --> 01:36:40.591
Okay.

01:36:40.591 --> 01:36:43.981
So we gotta just give people a
chance to pull over, da da da da.

01:36:43.981 --> 01:36:45.561
They're looking in their rear
and mirrors, they're on around

01:36:45.581 --> 01:36:47.431
we, oh, can I park the car here?

01:36:48.961 --> 01:36:54.061
Put the car in park, or slide it into
Gear Engine off or run Running Park.

01:36:54.091 --> 01:36:54.451
Okay.

01:36:54.541 --> 01:36:56.671
Now I think they're ready.

01:36:57.226 --> 01:36:57.826
Tell us now.

01:36:57.826 --> 01:36:59.236
We're all gonna do it together, Linda.

01:36:59.716 --> 01:37:00.166
Linda TJ: Okay.

01:37:00.166 --> 01:37:03.826
So we take this imaginary clock
and we place it there looking and

01:37:03.826 --> 01:37:05.056
so we're looking at it from the

01:37:05.056 --> 01:37:05.536
Rupert Isaacson: outside.

01:37:05.541 --> 01:37:08.836
So this, so this is over our heart on the
more or less the left side of our chest.

01:37:09.166 --> 01:37:10.696
Linda TJ: Actually, let's go
in the middle, in the heart.

01:37:11.416 --> 01:37:11.626
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

01:37:11.626 --> 01:37:13.126
So we're right in the middle of our chest.

01:37:13.256 --> 01:37:13.476
Yep.

01:37:13.736 --> 01:37:13.956
Yep.

01:37:14.266 --> 01:37:14.506
Okay.

01:37:14.976 --> 01:37:17.836
And two hands, one hand over there.

01:37:17.836 --> 01:37:20.556
Does it matter which hand is in
contact with the body left or right?

01:37:21.116 --> 01:37:22.306
Linda TJ: Whatever you like.

01:37:22.626 --> 01:37:22.916
Okay.

01:37:23.326 --> 01:37:24.046
It is natural.

01:37:24.406 --> 01:37:30.646
And, and the reason you do both, I started
calling this a te touch heart hug when

01:37:30.646 --> 01:37:36.046
I was teaching this to orphans in Swo in
South Africa, because it's like a hug,

01:37:36.736 --> 01:37:42.166
you know, for those who are orphans or
it's like a hug to protect yourself.

01:37:42.166 --> 01:37:47.596
So one hand, you start at six, however,
just like make a little connection.

01:37:47.596 --> 01:37:47.866
Oh yeah.

01:37:47.866 --> 01:37:50.686
There's a six, nine, up to 12.

01:37:51.556 --> 01:37:59.386
Deep breath, round to six and up and
stop at, at your, at your nine o'clock.

01:38:00.676 --> 01:38:03.526
Now you did that once in
the clockwise direction.

01:38:03.526 --> 01:38:06.166
Let's try it and see how it is
for you in the other direction.

01:38:06.736 --> 01:38:14.448
Start at your imaginary six and
go up to the left, up to the 3 12,

01:38:14.448 --> 01:38:18.226
9, 6, and back up to the three.

01:38:18.226 --> 01:38:25.156
Now if you just now start
from six and go to six.

01:38:27.226 --> 01:38:28.066
How does that feel?

01:38:28.276 --> 01:38:29.926
And then go into the other direction.

01:38:29.926 --> 01:38:34.186
Do six to the right
and just around to six.

01:38:35.789 --> 01:38:37.049
Does it make you hold your breath?

01:38:39.809 --> 01:38:44.549
Rupert Isaacson: I, I inhaled through
my nose on, as I, as my hands went

01:38:44.549 --> 01:38:50.849
up from six to 12 and I exhaled as
my hands went down back to six again.

01:38:50.849 --> 01:38:53.519
However, I would posit
that I need to do that.

01:38:53.524 --> 01:38:55.679
Cause I've been looking at you in
a camera and I watch you do it.

01:38:55.979 --> 01:38:58.709
So I don't know if I would've,
I might've held my breath.

01:38:58.739 --> 01:38:59.039
Hold on.

01:38:59.909 --> 01:39:00.509
It's okay.

01:39:00.899 --> 01:39:01.229
Linda TJ: Yeah.

01:39:02.009 --> 01:39:02.429
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.

01:39:02.429 --> 01:39:05.919
Because actually if you take a deep
breath, it's true that I just did that

01:39:05.919 --> 01:39:13.019
now I just did a six to six and I took
a deep breath and I , it took me all the

01:39:13.019 --> 01:39:15.719
way from six to six to make that inhale.

01:39:15.929 --> 01:39:18.039
So yes, I've been, he
holding my breath now at the

01:39:18.599 --> 01:39:19.199
Linda TJ: back at six.

01:39:19.204 --> 01:39:23.009
So, so the reason that I'm, I'm just
telling you cuz we normally, what I,

01:39:23.009 --> 01:39:26.369
what I didn't say like, I breathe in
through my nose, as you mentioned before.

01:39:26.539 --> 01:39:26.959
Mm-hmm.

01:39:27.539 --> 01:39:29.439
And out, out through the mouth.

01:39:30.019 --> 01:39:30.239
Yep.

01:39:30.989 --> 01:39:34.169
And so there's a reason for all
of this out through the nose

01:39:34.169 --> 01:39:36.599
activates the nitric oxid oxide.

01:39:36.989 --> 01:39:39.149
So, ah, yeah.

01:39:39.539 --> 01:39:43.169
So now when, what I found
is, wait a minute, it didn't

01:39:43.169 --> 01:39:45.299
feel finished at six to six.

01:39:45.539 --> 01:39:45.959
Mm-hmm.

01:39:46.044 --> 01:39:49.379
So then we start, what happens
if I go a little beyond six?

01:39:50.549 --> 01:39:54.449
That's how in the first days in my first
books, it was just a little beyond six.

01:39:54.449 --> 01:39:56.129
So it went to about eight o'clock.

01:39:56.549 --> 01:40:02.009
And then what changed that years
later of doing this very successfully,

01:40:02.489 --> 01:40:04.529
and publishing several books.

01:40:05.189 --> 01:40:08.769
A young man who's a savan came
into one of our classes in Germany,

01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:11.159
a weekend class for self-help.

01:40:11.849 --> 01:40:16.379
And he said, you know, that basic circle
of the, and a little more that you're

01:40:16.379 --> 01:40:22.499
doing, if you just go to circle on a
quarter, that's that golden cut or golden

01:40:22.499 --> 01:40:25.889
spiral that's in all of nature and ah,

01:40:26.759 --> 01:40:27.859
Rupert Isaacson: the fractal pattern.

01:40:28.379 --> 01:40:28.739
Yes.

01:40:29.909 --> 01:40:35.999
Linda TJ: And so the thing that was so
interesting with that is that it's five.

01:40:36.089 --> 01:40:39.779
We, we've now discovered it's
five degrees short of one in

01:40:39.779 --> 01:40:42.779
a quarter that is in our dna.

01:40:43.409 --> 01:40:45.329
It actually can affect our dna.

01:40:45.329 --> 01:40:47.759
N it is in all of nature.

01:40:47.759 --> 01:40:48.629
It's everywhere.

01:40:48.629 --> 01:40:49.169
It's mm

01:40:49.789 --> 01:40:50.009
Rupert Isaacson: hmm.

01:40:50.459 --> 01:40:50.809
Right.

01:40:50.814 --> 01:40:53.369
It's a pattern of three, six,
and nine, which is Tesla's,

01:40:53.829 --> 01:40:55.114
key to the universe, right?

01:40:55.144 --> 01:40:59.614
That all numbers are everything
in creation that's creative is.

01:41:00.964 --> 01:41:02.164
3, 6 0 9 somehow.

01:41:02.314 --> 01:41:02.764
Interesting.

01:41:03.094 --> 01:41:06.004
Linda TJ: So now what
I, oh, this is, yeah.

01:41:06.094 --> 01:41:12.304
So when, so I, I'd started already
because it's so hard when we went to

01:41:12.304 --> 01:41:17.574
computers and writing so much, it's hard
to write, go to six and a little beyond.

01:41:17.634 --> 01:41:18.054
Mm-hmm.

01:41:18.274 --> 01:41:23.464
So I started saying six and a quarter
and I've been writing that for some time.

01:41:23.524 --> 01:41:23.974
Oh yeah.

01:41:23.979 --> 01:41:27.094
It's just natural to start
a stop at that quarter.

01:41:27.394 --> 01:41:33.664
Now what it does, I, I sort of got
off a 72 minute try it a few times.

01:41:33.694 --> 01:41:40.024
If you have these looping thoughts
and you can't focus just two, a few of

01:41:40.024 --> 01:41:41.914
these, one in a quarter circle while,

01:41:41.919 --> 01:41:44.224
Rupert Isaacson: while people
have still got their cars stopped.

01:41:44.254 --> 01:41:44.344
Yes.

01:41:44.344 --> 01:41:46.534
And if you drove off again, now
you've gotta pull over again.

01:41:46.539 --> 01:41:46.894
Sorry.

01:41:47.614 --> 01:41:47.764
Okay.

01:41:47.764 --> 01:41:52.654
So pull over again and let's do what
should, can you guide us through Yes.

01:41:52.714 --> 01:41:53.954
Three of these perhaps?

01:41:54.544 --> 01:41:55.564
Would you think that's good?

01:41:55.954 --> 01:41:56.344
Yes.

01:41:56.344 --> 01:41:56.634
Linda TJ: Okay.

01:41:56.884 --> 01:41:58.754
Sit and in through the nostril.

01:41:59.044 --> 01:41:59.584
Rupert Isaacson: So, so hold on.

01:41:59.584 --> 01:42:01.984
So, so two hands in the
center of the heart.

01:42:02.094 --> 01:42:02.314
Yes.

01:42:02.374 --> 01:42:06.274
One hand in connection with
through one's T-shirt to one skin.

01:42:06.514 --> 01:42:06.844
Okay.

01:42:07.204 --> 01:42:07.444
Yes.

01:42:08.044 --> 01:42:12.994
Linda TJ: In through the nostrils and
one in around the face of the clock

01:42:12.994 --> 01:42:15.304
and out through your purse lips.

01:42:15.404 --> 01:42:17.344
And back up to the quarter.

01:42:17.344 --> 01:42:18.094
And stop.

01:42:20.134 --> 01:42:21.034
take another neck.

01:42:21.124 --> 01:42:22.894
Just release your hands a little bit.

01:42:23.434 --> 01:42:24.634
Take another deep breath.

01:42:25.954 --> 01:42:28.774
And do this in the direction
that you prefer and like,

01:42:29.044 --> 01:42:33.814
and think of now as you go the last
time around, think of something

01:42:33.814 --> 01:42:35.584
for which you're very grateful,

01:42:38.734 --> 01:42:42.964
something that makes you
feel really good and stop.

01:42:43.224 --> 01:42:46.744
And what that does from the studies
that we've been doing for years,

01:42:47.104 --> 01:42:51.394
you can be having these looping
thoughts that you can't stop or

01:42:51.424 --> 01:42:56.494
you're agitated, something's really
bugging you and you can't slow down.

01:42:59.494 --> 01:43:04.744
Do this one in a quarter smile
because that activates your serotonin.

01:43:05.104 --> 01:43:05.314
Yeah.

01:43:05.554 --> 01:43:06.964
Just the stretching of your lips.

01:43:06.964 --> 01:43:07.654
That's your feel.

01:43:07.654 --> 01:43:08.404
Good hormone.

01:43:08.624 --> 01:43:08.914
Yeah.

01:43:09.664 --> 01:43:09.954
Yeah.

01:43:10.504 --> 01:43:15.844
And light contact has been shown
in a 2000 person study by the

01:43:15.844 --> 01:43:17.584
American Massage Association.

01:43:17.854 --> 01:43:24.694
It's been the light contact, not deep
pressure activates the most trust hormone.

01:43:24.814 --> 01:43:25.684
The ar what?

01:43:26.074 --> 01:43:26.594
Oxytocin.

01:43:26.594 --> 01:43:26.874
Yeah.

01:43:26.974 --> 01:43:27.814
Oxytocin.

01:43:27.814 --> 01:43:28.474
Exactly.

01:43:28.924 --> 01:43:32.164
And so just the light move and, and
it doesn't have to be on your heart.

01:43:32.164 --> 01:43:36.934
The reason we started calling it a
heart hug was be when I taught it to

01:43:36.934 --> 01:43:43.324
these orphans who are alone, living
alone, often getting only a lunch meal.

01:43:43.714 --> 01:43:47.314
And we were there during the serving
of the lunch meal to teach them this.

01:43:48.064 --> 01:43:55.264
So when they're afraid you can do this
yourself, or, or how many of you get

01:43:55.264 --> 01:43:59.254
the things where you have the same few
words go over and over, around, through

01:43:59.254 --> 01:44:00.914
your head and you can't stop it, right?

01:44:01.824 --> 01:44:02.714
That will stop it.

01:44:02.714 --> 01:44:03.424
Like, like

01:44:04.141 --> 01:44:05.581
now why is it important?

01:44:05.581 --> 01:44:06.931
Rut, I wanna give you this.

01:44:07.981 --> 01:44:08.941
What the heck?

01:44:08.941 --> 01:44:11.371
Why is that useful to us?

01:44:11.731 --> 01:44:17.581
Because I imagine the face of the,
this clock here, anytime I imagine

01:44:17.581 --> 01:44:22.891
anything that activates my right
brain and when I put the numbers on

01:44:23.071 --> 01:44:27.211
or I have a method, that's why I say
toward the shoulder, toward the chin.

01:44:27.481 --> 01:44:29.131
That's a method that we do.

01:44:29.611 --> 01:44:34.291
And when we have those methods,
that activates our logical part

01:44:34.291 --> 01:44:36.641
of the brain, and we can't be
here together without that logic.

01:44:37.921 --> 01:44:38.851
The left side of the brain.

01:44:39.511 --> 01:44:41.131
Right on the left side of the brain.

01:44:41.251 --> 01:44:41.311
Yeah.

01:44:41.311 --> 01:44:43.141
Rupert Isaacson: So what you're
talking then about is, is, is,

01:44:43.196 --> 01:44:45.086
hemispheric coherence Exactly.

01:44:45.086 --> 01:44:47.816
Getting the both sides
of the brain to Exactly.

01:44:48.236 --> 01:44:49.646
Instead of one taking over from the

01:44:49.646 --> 01:44:49.886
Linda TJ: other.

01:44:50.336 --> 01:44:50.516
Yeah.

01:44:50.516 --> 01:44:55.346
But, and I mean, the logic is so
important, but the right brain is

01:44:55.886 --> 01:44:59.726
it, this is what I believe makes us
human because it's responsible for

01:44:59.726 --> 01:45:02.186
our creativity, for our feeling.

01:45:02.756 --> 01:45:07.376
And during covid, I mean, so
this feeling deficit syndrome was

01:45:07.376 --> 01:45:09.236
recognized that we don't feel it.

01:45:09.851 --> 01:45:11.771
So many people don't feel anymore.

01:45:11.771 --> 01:45:17.831
And so when you ah, do this hard
hug and give thanks, give gratitude

01:45:17.831 --> 01:45:22.871
for the fact that you can do it,
or even that you can imagine it.

01:45:23.861 --> 01:45:29.771
And it activates that whole,
that it's the intuition, the, the

01:45:29.891 --> 01:45:34.181
compassion that we have for others,
for ourselves, for the planet, for

01:45:34.181 --> 01:45:37.721
our animals, creativity, feeling.

01:45:39.161 --> 01:45:39.251
Mm-hmm.

01:45:40.271 --> 01:45:41.201
So that's why we do it.

01:45:41.201 --> 01:45:44.981
That's part of, and before you, if
you're working with an animal, a dog or

01:45:44.981 --> 01:45:50.981
a horse, if you do this before you go
to do some exercise you wanna do with

01:45:50.981 --> 01:45:53.831
them, that puts you in heart coherence.

01:45:54.191 --> 01:45:58.151
It gives you the activity, activity
of the fore brain so you can

01:45:58.151 --> 01:46:00.611
actually think and feel and heal.

01:46:01.451 --> 01:46:05.561
And instead of being under the
control of the amygdala, the emotional

01:46:05.561 --> 01:46:11.471
part of our brain, which you know,
is where we have our, our fear.

01:46:11.801 --> 01:46:12.461
Absolutely.

01:46:12.461 --> 01:46:12.641
Yeah.

01:46:12.646 --> 01:46:17.801
Rupert Isaacson: The, the, we can't
for, for, for those listeners who are

01:46:17.801 --> 01:46:22.491
unfamiliar with that,  the amygdala
named after an ormond in Greek, cuz

01:46:22.496 --> 01:46:25.761
it's shaped up an ormond, is the part
of the brain that governs, fight,

01:46:25.761 --> 01:46:30.261
fight and freeze and signals to the
body to produce cortisol, which is the

01:46:30.261 --> 01:46:32.511
stress hormone as well as adrenaline.

01:46:32.511 --> 01:46:34.551
So that you act, you don't
think when there's a threat.

01:46:34.551 --> 01:46:37.791
But the problem is cortisol
is a neurotoxin and it.

01:46:38.121 --> 01:46:39.111
Cuts momentarily.

01:46:39.111 --> 01:46:42.411
The cord between the back part of
the brain and the fore brain, the

01:46:42.411 --> 01:46:47.931
prefrontal cortex and the prefrontal
cortex is what gives us logic reason,

01:46:47.931 --> 01:46:49.491
but also emotional regulation.

01:46:49.496 --> 01:46:52.491
So figuring shit out and
handling your shit, which are

01:46:52.941 --> 01:46:54.261
jolly useful survival tools.

01:46:54.261 --> 01:46:54.471
Right.

01:46:54.771 --> 01:46:59.821
so what you've done, I think Linda, there
has given us a way when we're in our

01:46:59.821 --> 01:47:04.141
funk, when we're in our dysfunctional
funk, not when we're in the George

01:47:04.141 --> 01:47:05.641
Clinton having fun type of funk.

01:47:06.121 --> 01:47:06.391
Right.

01:47:06.491 --> 01:47:12.421
the, the dysfunction,  a way back to brain
coherence through serotonin and oxytocin

01:47:12.871 --> 01:47:15.961
that is pretty much instantaneous.

01:47:16.071 --> 01:47:21.981
I can attest to this, you know, whenever
I've tried it on myself, I'd say that

01:47:22.401 --> 01:47:31.191
I can get from the dis funk back to
the, we want the funk type funk in

01:47:31.191 --> 01:47:33.951
approximately five to 15 seconds.

01:47:34.431 --> 01:47:38.991
sometimes it might take me three
to six repetitions or sometimes

01:47:38.996 --> 01:47:40.761
it might happen right away.

01:47:40.761 --> 01:47:45.411
But, it's very interesting that your
circle and a quarter, your circle and

01:47:45.411 --> 01:47:49.701
a bit, there's so many, as you say,
the golden ratio,  pie is like that.

01:47:49.701 --> 01:47:53.571
It's, you know, something and a
bit or these irrational numbers

01:47:53.571 --> 01:47:55.581
that seem to sequence and have.

01:47:56.826 --> 01:48:00.796
effects on our DNA and get,
get, repeated all through.

01:48:01.186 --> 01:48:03.796
We see it at every level
in, in, in, in cosmology.

01:48:03.796 --> 01:48:05.446
We see it, we see it everywhere.

01:48:06.136 --> 01:48:11.601
and there you are stumbling into
it,  from having been an 11 month

01:48:11.601 --> 01:48:16.851
old girl in yellow knife with her
hand on a bear's ear instinctively.

01:48:17.861 --> 01:48:24.301
but, and seeing your great-uncle
who'd been out to Russia, putting

01:48:24.461 --> 01:48:29.681
his hands on the horses with kindness
and explaining that however briefly,

01:48:30.641 --> 01:48:32.751
and then having this horse gene.

01:48:33.041 --> 01:48:35.891
Anyway, of course, you,
you, that was a gift.

01:48:36.601 --> 01:48:43.531
and then bringing that through,  from
functional horseman, horsemanship to

01:48:44.041 --> 01:48:49.741
refined horsemanship, to then a way of
looking at the world and a way of looking

01:48:49.741 --> 01:48:53.371
at the horse that didn't just serve
you,  in your professional career then

01:48:53.371 --> 01:48:58.531
with horses, but also helped you, for
example, survive a very, very difficult

01:48:58.531 --> 01:49:02.721
situation like the one you described
with,  Tellington, where you could not

01:49:02.726 --> 01:49:07.491
only survive it, but you could actually
forgive him and love him afterwards,

01:49:08.241 --> 01:49:13.701
and then therefore not negate all of the
gifts and benefits of that relationship.

01:49:14.321 --> 01:49:16.571
not thinking extremes like that, which is.

01:49:17.966 --> 01:49:20.996
That would've been understandable, but
would not have been as helpful to you.

01:49:21.326 --> 01:49:26.576
And then you go on to run this
school yourself, and then you end

01:49:26.576 --> 01:49:29.996
up in, in Germany and people are
watching you touch the horses like

01:49:29.996 --> 01:49:33.626
this, and then you discover Feldon
Christ and there's a method to it.

01:49:33.626 --> 01:49:36.476
But as you say, Feldon
crisis, it's quite complex.

01:49:36.936 --> 01:49:39.126
and takes quite a long time to learn.

01:49:39.126 --> 01:49:43.266
And then realizing that it can be
brought down to something simpler

01:49:43.266 --> 01:49:45.666
and more direct, through intuition.

01:49:46.866 --> 01:49:47.346
I love it.

01:49:47.556 --> 01:49:50.046
and here you are giving
it to the rest of us.

01:49:50.046 --> 01:49:52.466
So you say it's 22 books now in

01:49:52.466 --> 01:49:55.116
Linda TJ: 22 books, 16 languages now.

01:49:55.116 --> 01:49:56.286
Rupert Isaacson: 22
books and 16 languages.

01:49:56.286 --> 01:49:57.276
That's, that's not too shabby.

01:49:57.906 --> 01:50:01.616
Linda TJ: I just got my latest
one in,  Korean, the dog book in

01:50:01.616 --> 01:50:07.816
Korean because we've had Korean,
people come to us in Hawaii for,

01:50:07.816 --> 01:50:09.376
to do our tradings before covid.

01:50:10.696 --> 01:50:10.846
I

01:50:10.846 --> 01:50:13.566
Rupert Isaacson: have to joke cuz a dog
book in Korean could of course be a, a

01:50:13.786 --> 01:50:16.006
Kari book as well, but,  in North Korean.

01:50:16.346 --> 01:50:18.036
But,  I'm assuming it's not that.

01:50:18.396 --> 01:50:22.066
the, this brings me to
where I'd like to go now.

01:50:22.066 --> 01:50:27.946
So for those of you who are
just discovering Linda, today,

01:50:28.126 --> 01:50:30.856
you should go out and you have
nothing to do with horses or dogs.

01:50:31.846 --> 01:50:35.096
Go anyway and look up
tea touch,  on Google.

01:50:35.446 --> 01:50:41.146
and start to practice some of the basic
exercises on yourself, on your loved

01:50:41.146 --> 01:50:45.226
ones,  because it will, you're gonna
find like the rest of us have done that.

01:50:45.231 --> 01:50:46.036
It helps an awful lot.

01:50:46.336 --> 01:50:50.206
And then from there, you might want to,
to go onto a website, which I'll be giving

01:50:50.206 --> 01:50:51.666
to you at the end of this,  this podcast.

01:50:52.636 --> 01:50:56.626
And so, you know, you've been,
to say you've been massively

01:50:56.626 --> 01:50:58.746
successful is,  an understatement.

01:50:58.746 --> 01:51:04.146
And also miss, I feel distract from
the point of this conversation,

01:51:04.146 --> 01:51:06.546
which is again, self-actualization.

01:51:07.296 --> 01:51:14.106
I would posit that when you were a girl
riding to school in Alberta, or when you

01:51:14.106 --> 01:51:21.476
were running this,  school withington,
or when you were beginning to do your

01:51:21.476 --> 01:51:28.556
first writings and explorations, and I,
I would very much doubt that you went

01:51:28.556 --> 01:51:32.156
into it going, I'm gonna do this cuz
this is gonna make me rich and famous.

01:51:33.026 --> 01:51:37.886
I would posit that you did it
because it was what was in front

01:51:37.891 --> 01:51:39.326
of you and inside you to do.

01:51:40.296 --> 01:51:40.566
literally.

01:51:41.046 --> 01:51:46.746
And the, and the success of it is purely
down to its practicality that when

01:51:46.746 --> 01:51:48.156
people try it, they go, oh, this works.

01:51:48.396 --> 01:51:52.186
I remember hearing,  It's a quote
from Klaus Balcon Hall, who again,

01:51:52.186 --> 01:51:56.866
if, if those people who are not horse
people,  he was an Olympic dressage

01:51:56.866 --> 01:52:01.906
rider from Germany when Germany
really began to dominate in the sport

01:52:02.266 --> 01:52:03.526
in the late seventies and eighties.

01:52:03.526 --> 01:52:08.326
And he, I know, brought you in to
his Olympic horses,  at a time when

01:52:08.326 --> 01:52:10.126
nobody was doing anything like that.

01:52:10.126 --> 01:52:12.826
And all the people said, well,
it's this new age shit, you know,

01:52:12.826 --> 01:52:15.376
da, and he would, I remember him
saying, well, she's a white witch.

01:52:16.186 --> 01:52:18.166
but I think you would say,
no, I'm not a white witch.

01:52:18.266 --> 01:52:22.346
what I've, what I've stumbled into
is purely something that works on a

01:52:22.351 --> 01:52:23.937
cellular level, which anybody can do.

01:52:24.596 --> 01:52:28.436
If, if, if, if it relied upon Linda
being a white witch, well then it

01:52:28.436 --> 01:52:30.116
would only, it would die with Linda.

01:52:30.986 --> 01:52:33.086
And it also wouldn't be
transferrable from Linda.

01:52:33.686 --> 01:52:35.696
But clearly, clearly it is.

01:52:36.266 --> 01:52:37.346
and here you are now.

01:52:37.736 --> 01:52:38.576
Where do you want to go?

01:52:38.576 --> 01:52:39.326
What, what's next?

01:52:39.326 --> 01:52:41.036
What, what's, what's on the agenda?

01:52:41.866 --> 01:52:47.336
Linda TJ: Well, thanks to Covid, I
am so blessed to finally have what I

01:52:47.336 --> 01:52:53.156
believe is the answer to how is it with
this simple one in a quarter circle.

01:52:53.456 --> 01:52:58.556
Anywhere we have a pain, we can reduce
that pain in a matter of minutes

01:52:59.016 --> 01:53:01.716
or,  if we are fearful, we can.

01:53:02.571 --> 01:53:06.741
Overcome our fear just with
these tea touches around the

01:53:06.741 --> 01:53:08.331
outside of the mouth for humans.

01:53:08.631 --> 01:53:12.921
You don't have to go inside just
around, I mean, this is, think about

01:53:12.926 --> 01:53:17.181
this, without this mouth, unless
we're in a hospital, we can't survive.

01:53:17.311 --> 01:53:17.601
Yeah.

01:53:18.921 --> 01:53:22.561
So you can actually reduce your fear.

01:53:23.111 --> 01:53:27.921
Just, and, and look, this is a guys
with beards, they're so lucky because

01:53:27.981 --> 01:53:30.001
this helps you think Yeah, it does.

01:53:30.141 --> 01:53:31.941
Rupert Isaacson: We all do
this when we think so I'm, I'm,

01:53:31.941 --> 01:53:33.231
I'm, I'm stroking my beard.

01:53:33.891 --> 01:53:36.981
And what I do when I want to sell
sooth is I run, I I massage my jaw.

01:53:37.731 --> 01:53:40.911
I've realized, yeah, I scratch
my butt, but I can't do that

01:53:40.911 --> 01:53:41.901
when I'm in the chair, so,

01:53:42.571 --> 01:53:43.061
Linda TJ: alright.

01:53:43.451 --> 01:53:43.741
Yeah.

01:53:44.331 --> 01:53:47.601
So it, it's all, it's all logic.

01:53:47.631 --> 01:53:50.301
It's not, it's, it's the
science and spirituality.

01:53:50.301 --> 01:53:51.261
That's what gets me.

01:53:51.621 --> 01:53:55.611
And finally, thanks to Covid,
I've been doing a lot of teaching

01:53:55.616 --> 01:53:57.461
online for self self-help.

01:53:57.741 --> 01:54:02.001
You can join me for like
every Tuesday for two hours.

01:54:02.001 --> 01:54:08.091
We havet touch for self-care and,
learning how, when you've got a

01:54:08.091 --> 01:54:12.721
pain here, like, oh, my husband had
a real pain in his neck,  like an

01:54:12.751 --> 01:54:15.181
eight level out of 10 pain yesterday.

01:54:15.511 --> 01:54:17.941
And I just started having him guide me.

01:54:17.971 --> 01:54:19.471
Not that I'm telling him.

01:54:20.101 --> 01:54:21.451
Oh yeah, I'm gonna fix this.

01:54:21.481 --> 01:54:21.991
No, no.

01:54:22.291 --> 01:54:24.991
What, where exactly does it hurt?

01:54:25.051 --> 01:54:27.931
And what pressure can I use?

01:54:28.261 --> 01:54:32.671
Is it very light that you like a
little bit more and have him guide

01:54:32.671 --> 01:54:39.241
me and in 15 minutes and pain that
was on eight level was down to a two

01:54:39.241 --> 01:54:41.971
and then it was gone after he got up.

01:54:42.661 --> 01:54:44.371
And that's what you can do to yourself.

01:54:44.461 --> 01:54:48.271
That's so cool because we have
these ways of working with it.

01:54:48.271 --> 01:54:54.481
And thanks to Covid Rupert, I now know
why this one in the quarter works.

01:54:55.651 --> 01:54:56.281
So tell us.

01:54:57.001 --> 01:55:04.081
I'm going to tell you, and it's thanks to
the influence of this book and all, all

01:55:04.081 --> 01:55:06.801
this, these books behind me is the Code of

01:55:06.831 --> 01:55:10.291
Rupert Isaacson: Authentic
Living, cellular Wisdom

01:55:10.411 --> 01:55:13.441
Linda TJ: by Right, and
it's written by Joan C.

01:55:13.441 --> 01:55:13.861
King.

01:55:14.461 --> 01:55:18.721
And what's interesting, she was, for
20 years, she was a cell biologist at

01:55:18.721 --> 01:55:27.451
Tufts University of Medicine and she
heard a legend that,  caused her to quit.

01:55:28.066 --> 01:55:31.516
Being a professor and take
it into authentic living.

01:55:32.296 --> 01:55:36.316
And this book is about
exactly how the cells work.

01:55:36.316 --> 01:55:40.276
And what's so interesting, I had
the great honor and pleasure of

01:55:40.786 --> 01:55:42.616
co-teaching a workshop with Dr.

01:55:42.616 --> 01:55:45.386
Bruce Lipton in Vienna
about six years ago.

01:55:45.736 --> 01:55:48.646
I brought T Touch and
he brought his magic.

01:55:48.646 --> 01:55:48.866
And

01:55:48.966 --> 01:55:49.506
Rupert Isaacson: who is Dr.

01:55:49.506 --> 01:55:51.226
Bruce Lip Lipton for those who dunno.

01:55:53.246 --> 01:55:59.236
Linda TJ: Oh, he was, he is one
of our visionaries in bringing

01:55:59.236 --> 01:56:02.806
science to, to the rest of us.

01:56:03.386 --> 01:56:08.336
and he was, he taught bio cell biology
at,  Stanford University for years.

01:56:08.336 --> 01:56:13.881
And then he, he found in his first book,
the bi  biology of Belief, he found,

01:56:13.911 --> 01:56:19.941
he wrote that what was being taught
was so old and so out of date that he

01:56:19.946 --> 01:56:22.521
had to leave that and become vision.

01:56:22.991 --> 01:56:26.601
What we now know him as a
visionary, doing these wonderful,

01:56:26.601 --> 01:56:28.221
you can go online and find him.

01:56:28.251 --> 01:56:30.981
You do yourself a favor and look up Dr.

01:56:31.311 --> 01:56:31.761
Lipton.

01:56:32.301 --> 01:56:35.621
And,  so he's interested in animals too.

01:56:35.621 --> 01:56:38.501
So he knew what I did with,
with, of course, with dogs

01:56:38.506 --> 01:56:40.241
and horses and he loves dogs.

01:56:40.721 --> 01:56:47.111
And so he showed me on his computer, he
showed me that every cell in the body

01:56:47.116 --> 01:56:50.921
has a huge number of known functions.

01:56:52.136 --> 01:56:54.866
Like I, the number I remember
is a hundred thousand.

01:56:54.866 --> 01:56:57.356
I've gotta check again to
make sure this is correct.

01:56:57.356 --> 01:57:02.216
But in this book, she describes all of
the amazing functions that are known.

01:57:02.636 --> 01:57:08.156
But what's not known is what causes,
what's behind all these functions.

01:57:08.906 --> 01:57:12.986
And on the back of this
book is the answer to that.

01:57:13.916 --> 01:57:18.426
And I'm, it's, it's,  it's
a Hindu legend, and I'm just

01:57:18.426 --> 01:57:20.226
going to tell you for time sake.

01:57:20.616 --> 01:57:25.716
So the legend goes, and at one
time on this planet, every human

01:57:26.136 --> 01:57:28.116
could had the power of a God.

01:57:28.116 --> 01:57:29.316
They could do anything.

01:57:30.036 --> 01:57:34.926
And then human can kind
began to abuse that power.

01:57:35.406 --> 01:57:41.046
And the head Brahman, Hindu
Brahman, said, we have to stop this.

01:57:41.051 --> 01:57:44.466
We cannot allow the world
to be damaged in this way.

01:57:45.366 --> 01:57:49.566
And so I said, we're going to take
away this power from humankind.

01:57:49.926 --> 01:57:53.016
And so they had this big powwow
and they got together and they

01:57:53.016 --> 01:57:54.666
said, okay, who has an idea?

01:57:54.671 --> 01:57:58.266
How can we get, how can we hide
this power that everyone has?

01:57:58.746 --> 01:58:01.866
And one said, I know we'll take it
to the highest mountain and we'll

01:58:01.986 --> 01:58:03.096
climb up there and we'll leave it.

01:58:03.126 --> 01:58:04.026
Nobody will find it.

01:58:04.086 --> 01:58:04.696
No head.

01:58:04.926 --> 01:58:05.616
Brahman said.

01:58:05.706 --> 01:58:09.131
Of course, humankind
is very,  intelligent.

01:58:09.341 --> 01:58:09.851
They'll find it.

01:58:09.851 --> 01:58:13.241
Another one said, we'll go to the
deepest ocean, part of the ocean.

01:58:13.241 --> 01:58:13.931
We'll drop it there.

01:58:13.991 --> 01:58:14.501
No, no, no.

01:58:14.501 --> 01:58:15.011
They'll find it.

01:58:15.341 --> 01:58:19.211
Then another said, I know we'll go to
the deepest cave known on the planet

01:58:19.541 --> 01:58:21.041
and dig deeper and hide it there.

01:58:21.041 --> 01:58:22.481
No, no, they'll find it.

01:58:22.991 --> 01:58:26.011
He sat for a long time
quietly just listening.

01:58:26.551 --> 01:58:30.761
And then he said, I know
where we'll hide it inside.

01:58:31.241 --> 01:58:32.411
They'll never find it.

01:58:32.411 --> 01:58:36.341
And so the legend goes that since that
time, humankind has been running up the

01:58:36.341 --> 01:58:41.261
mountains, digging in the dirt, diving in
the ocean, looking for this power that's

01:58:41.321 --> 01:58:44.231
always right here and why this is so.

01:58:44.291 --> 01:58:48.191
When I read that, I thought my Christian
friends are not going to be interested

01:58:48.191 --> 01:58:51.436
in a human,  in, in, in a Brahman legend.

01:58:51.706 --> 01:58:55.456
And so I called a friend of mine who knows
the Bible really well and is a minister.

01:58:55.966 --> 01:58:58.426
And I said, where does
it say that in the Bible?

01:58:58.426 --> 01:59:03.366
And he said, in the new King
James version, Luke 17 lines 20

01:59:03.586 --> 01:59:08.386
and 21, the kingdom of of God is
within you and all around you.

01:59:08.386 --> 01:59:12.706
And it depends which version
you read, exactly how that said.

01:59:12.706 --> 01:59:17.836
But what I've since found, Rupert,
it's in every religion it's in.

01:59:17.866 --> 01:59:19.606
It's not just, it's everywhere.

01:59:19.666 --> 01:59:23.086
It's this understanding
that the God was within.

01:59:23.506 --> 01:59:28.306
But in some places of Bible, we don't
wanna be given that power because we are.

01:59:28.891 --> 01:59:34.561
We're living manifestations of
the divine universal intelligence.

01:59:35.641 --> 01:59:39.781
And so I realized with this one in a
quarter circle that's in all of nature.

01:59:39.781 --> 01:59:47.831
It's like,  turning a key to enter into
this amazing body that we have where every

01:59:47.836 --> 01:59:50.291
cell knows its dysfunction in the body.

01:59:50.651 --> 01:59:55.691
And when we have fear or dysfunction,
the communication between the

01:59:55.691 --> 02:00:00.011
cells is inhibited, which is
so beautifully discussed in Dr.

02:00:00.016 --> 02:00:03.326
Bruce Lipton's book,
spon,  spontaneous evolution.

02:00:03.896 --> 02:00:08.366
So this communication between the cells,
and that's what started me on this

02:00:08.366 --> 02:00:12.576
whole thing, you're going to develop
a form of communication itself that

02:00:12.676 --> 02:00:15.386
that's, that goes around the world.

02:00:15.926 --> 02:00:21.356
And this is the communication between
us here, between us and ourselves,

02:00:22.046 --> 02:00:23.496
you know, between ourselves.

02:00:24.086 --> 02:00:26.846
It's, that's all communication.

02:00:26.906 --> 02:00:35.906
And when we realize, wait a minute, we
can just open ourselves to this phenomenal

02:00:35.906 --> 02:00:38.546
information that is in the quantum field.

02:00:39.296 --> 02:00:43.406
And if you don't know that,
find one of the books by Dr.

02:00:43.586 --> 02:00:49.046
not by, by Greg Grayden in his book,
the Divine Matrix or the Field.

02:00:49.766 --> 02:00:53.396
It's you will get a whole
other understanding of who

02:00:53.401 --> 02:00:54.866
you are and what your life is.

02:00:56.246 --> 02:00:59.426
What you're hear about when
you, when you read his books,

02:00:59.876 --> 02:01:00.446
Rupert Isaacson: it's so, yeah.

02:01:00.446 --> 02:01:04.826
I've listened to some of his podcasts
that he, he's, he's quite extraordinary.

02:01:04.826 --> 02:01:05.186
Amazing.

02:01:05.306 --> 02:01:05.486
Linda TJ: Yeah.

02:01:05.546 --> 02:01:09.176
And those two, Bruce and Bruce Lipton
and Greg Braden do a lot of things

02:01:09.181 --> 02:01:12.746
together, which are life changing.

02:01:12.836 --> 02:01:15.956
I'd love to meet you and go
there with you and IA one day.

02:01:16.076 --> 02:01:16.496
Let's do it.

02:01:18.806 --> 02:01:19.736
It'll be really fun.

02:01:20.826 --> 02:01:23.736
so you see where I am, I'm
totally inspired about this.

02:01:23.736 --> 02:01:28.056
You know, we're all miracles and that's
how I see our animals and ourselves.

02:01:28.476 --> 02:01:31.716
And when we have something
wrong with us, instead of seeing

02:01:31.776 --> 02:01:33.277
what's wrong, wait a minute.

02:01:33.546 --> 02:01:37.746
We can visualize the light in
ourselves and we can actually either

02:01:37.746 --> 02:01:42.096
do it with our mind as you get
from, you know, so many of these.

02:01:42.096 --> 02:01:45.936
Wonderful, we've got so many visionaries
out there talking about how you can

02:01:45.936 --> 02:01:47.976
affect yourself just from what you think.

02:01:48.696 --> 02:01:48.966
Yeah.

02:01:49.596 --> 02:01:49.926
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.

02:01:51.606 --> 02:01:53.676
Where does Covid come into this for you?

02:01:55.116 --> 02:01:59.566
Linda TJ: Covid was a life game
changer for me because, during that

02:01:59.566 --> 02:02:02.596
time when we couldn't teach and
couldn't be traveling around the world.

02:02:02.836 --> 02:02:07.756
My sister Robin Hood, who's 14
years younger than I am, of course

02:02:07.756 --> 02:02:08.746
you have a sister called Robinhood.

02:02:08.856 --> 02:02:10.156
Yeah, yeah, I do.

02:02:10.161 --> 02:02:12.676
Because our family name is
Hood and I got to name her.

02:02:14.341 --> 02:02:20.491
She and my niece, Mandy, pretty,
they put together our work online.

02:02:20.521 --> 02:02:26.071
So you can go to learn.detach.ca
for Canada and you can get a

02:02:26.071 --> 02:02:28.221
free introduction to this Learn,

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Rupert Isaacson: sorry, www dot
Yeah, learn, learn l e r n dot tto.

02:02:36.301 --> 02:02:39.651
T two Ts is it, and then
o u c h TTouch, right?

02:02:41.041 --> 02:02:43.201
C a ca for Canada.

02:02:43.381 --> 02:02:43.741
Got it.

02:02:43.771 --> 02:02:43.801
Okay.

02:02:44.611 --> 02:02:48.451
Linda TJ: And my sister and Mandy have
been putting out these wonderful courses,

02:02:48.721 --> 02:02:50.691
short courses that you can take online.

02:02:51.191 --> 02:02:54.991
So besides having practitioners all
around where you can, you can see if

02:02:54.991 --> 02:02:58.951
you can get a, a teacher practitioner,
you can read one of my books, which

02:02:58.951 --> 02:03:04.951
are all on Amazon, or you can go to
that website and get an introduction.

02:03:05.851 --> 02:03:08.551
And Rupert, you are always my inspiration.

02:03:08.551 --> 02:03:12.901
I have to tell you this, the time that I
have spent with you and Liliana and the

02:03:12.901 --> 02:03:16.591
amazing work you do with your horses,
it's just been life changing for me.

02:03:17.251 --> 02:03:21.871
I, I can't tell you how much I appreciate
and how much I love coming on and hearing

02:03:21.871 --> 02:03:25.591
your thinking and your questions and what
you bring to the world and your books.

02:03:26.131 --> 02:03:30.631
If anybody has not read your
books, like I, every book of you,

02:03:30.781 --> 02:03:32.341
I start and I can't put it down.

02:03:32.791 --> 02:03:39.001
And I just thank you for gifting the world
with your thinking and what you've done.

02:03:40.591 --> 02:03:41.221
Rupert Isaacson: That's.

02:03:42.106 --> 02:03:44.881
Extraordinarily high praise,
and I wasn't expecting that.

02:03:45.121 --> 02:03:46.231
And thank you.

02:03:46.561 --> 02:03:47.131
thank you.

02:03:47.161 --> 02:03:48.121
Thank you very much.

02:03:48.151 --> 02:03:53.791
I remember the first time,  I heard that
you were even interested in our work.

02:03:53.821 --> 02:04:00.591
We were in Wales, me and ia,  intensively
learning the old master system of dressage

02:04:00.596 --> 02:04:05.151
and go bopping between there and Portugal
and other places on our apprenticeship.

02:04:05.151 --> 02:04:09.981
And she came and she said, Linda
Tanton Jones has just contacted us and

02:04:10.611 --> 02:04:13.011
is sort of interest, sort of vaguely
interested in the horse boy stuff.

02:04:13.011 --> 02:04:18.156
And I, that's extraordinary,
because she's in the stratosphere

02:04:18.446 --> 02:04:21.986
and we are these people grubbing
about on their hippie margins.

02:04:22.096 --> 02:04:25.836
and I've always felt e extremely,
honored and grateful, I have to say.

02:04:25.946 --> 02:04:31.046
just to, just to know you let alone, to be
introduced to the healing methodologies.

02:04:32.606 --> 02:04:36.446
If somebody wants to become, to do
more than,  learn some techniques for

02:04:36.446 --> 02:04:38.876
themselves and their horses and they
actually want to become a practitioner

02:04:39.236 --> 02:04:42.186
of TE Touch,  what do they need to do?

02:04:43.026 --> 02:04:45.426
Linda TJ: Well, we're just getting
to that point that you, you

02:04:45.426 --> 02:04:47.376
can do a lot of it online now.

02:04:47.376 --> 02:04:48.396
That's a beautiful part.

02:04:48.756 --> 02:04:54.216
And then we have these workshops and
they're all listed on our websites, so,

02:04:54.816 --> 02:05:00.606
And I am dropping back and just doing
mostly,  like this online because it's so

02:05:00.606 --> 02:05:05.376
much fun for me to share and to have so
many of, we have wonderful practitioners

02:05:05.376 --> 02:05:08.226
out there who can teach this.

02:05:09.096 --> 02:05:13.396
And, and for me, getting to spend time
with you and getting to spend time

02:05:13.776 --> 02:05:19.086
online where we can even reach out, you
know, to people who are in Iceland and

02:05:19.776 --> 02:05:25.236
parts of Africa where they can never
get the chance to get to a practitioner.

02:05:26.496 --> 02:05:28.176
Rupert Isaacson: Linda,
you yourself got Covid.

02:05:28.746 --> 02:05:31.986
how did that inform your practice?

02:05:31.986 --> 02:05:37.176
How did, how did Te Touch help you,
phy, you know, physician heal thyself,

02:05:38.086 --> 02:05:43.996
that old adage, what insights did you
gain from your own experience with it?

02:05:44.866 --> 02:05:47.746
Linda TJ: Well, what Covid brought
to me when I went into Covid,

02:05:47.776 --> 02:05:51.436
I have videos of me doing this.

02:05:51.476 --> 02:05:55.336
It's a, it's an exercise
where you,  practice your,

02:05:55.786 --> 02:05:59.536
your ability to be flexible.

02:06:00.116 --> 02:06:01.771
And I was really good.

02:06:01.776 --> 02:06:04.141
I could get up and down on the
floor, I could do all this stuff.

02:06:04.141 --> 02:06:09.661
And then what I began to discover is I
was getting stiffer from not getting out

02:06:09.661 --> 02:06:11.461
and being with people and doing things.

02:06:11.861 --> 02:06:12.151
Okay.

02:06:13.351 --> 02:06:17.696
And, then I, I've, for years, I've
been really careful about checking

02:06:17.696 --> 02:06:23.646
my blood levels and my,  the,  making
sure that I don't have stuff in

02:06:23.646 --> 02:06:24.786
my body that I shouldn't have.

02:06:24.786 --> 02:06:28.926
So I wound up about four years
ago being diagnosed with Epstein

02:06:28.926 --> 02:06:31.476
Bar and with, Hashimotos.

02:06:32.046 --> 02:06:38.226
And 25 years ago I got rid of
chronic fatigue using the,  radionics

02:06:38.226 --> 02:06:45.366
machine and just working with
a, a doctor who just had me on a

02:06:45.366 --> 02:06:47.946
vegetable diet and worming medicine.

02:06:48.216 --> 02:06:48.506
Okay.

02:06:48.516 --> 02:06:50.946
Which is really important for all of us.

02:06:50.946 --> 02:06:55.836
Anybody who eats vegetables or, or
is around animals should be wormed.

02:06:55.836 --> 02:06:57.006
Like we were more animals.

02:06:57.966 --> 02:07:02.076
And so, anyway, through Covid,
I found out I was, you know,

02:07:02.076 --> 02:07:03.876
getting stiffer and slower.

02:07:04.296 --> 02:07:05.676
That was the downside.

02:07:05.676 --> 02:07:10.596
And so, i, what I have to say
more the gift that, that it's

02:07:10.596 --> 02:07:14.916
brought to me because, because we
were doing so much online every

02:07:14.916 --> 02:07:17.796
Tuesday and one Sunday a month.

02:07:18.216 --> 02:07:22.326
We practicing taking care of each other.

02:07:22.326 --> 02:07:26.046
Like people would say, oh my
gosh, this, this arm is in spasm.

02:07:26.046 --> 02:07:28.896
I can't get to a doctor,
I can't get outta spasm.

02:07:29.346 --> 02:07:35.316
So I could have everybody in the
class do this, just try this.

02:07:35.316 --> 02:07:45.516
Just put one hand on your arm, make, move,
like cup your hand and move the tissue and

02:07:45.516 --> 02:07:53.766
just do a slow lift up, ah, and just lift
your shoulder a little bit and hold it.

02:07:53.856 --> 02:08:02.616
And then slowly, slowly, slowly release
it and feel the, like some of you'll

02:08:02.616 --> 02:08:09.126
feel it just this little release in
it because we get so tight sitting

02:08:09.126 --> 02:08:15.026
at our computers and,  not having
the you with, because you had horses.

02:08:15.426 --> 02:08:17.736
So you never went through
that isolation, did you?

02:08:18.186 --> 02:08:18.576
Rupert Isaacson: No.

02:08:18.576 --> 02:08:22.186
In fact, weirdly,  covid ended up
being one of the busiest times for

02:08:22.186 --> 02:08:25.606
us because you could still go to
the barn to exercise your horses.

02:08:25.606 --> 02:08:27.976
And then everyone we knew got
bored and wanted to buy a horse.

02:08:28.306 --> 02:08:31.966
And then suddenly all the
other work we did dried up.

02:08:31.966 --> 02:08:34.666
But suddenly we were riding
instructors because, Right.

02:08:35.036 --> 02:08:36.026
Wanted to do, yeah.

02:08:36.026 --> 02:08:37.886
So we were in the, in the
forest the whole time.

02:08:38.056 --> 02:08:38.346
Yeah.

02:08:38.446 --> 02:08:41.356
cause you know, being in the arena was
sometimes allowed, sometimes not allowed.

02:08:41.566 --> 02:08:43.396
So it was a strange, the.

02:08:44.281 --> 02:08:49.181
Functional time for us, but I do know that
that was not everyone else's, experience.

02:08:49.721 --> 02:08:49.901
Linda TJ: Yeah.

02:08:49.961 --> 02:08:54.161
So what I learned by doing this, just
like you and I are a person that could

02:08:54.166 --> 02:08:59.621
have like, like one thing with a knee,
for instance, bone on bone, couldn't

02:08:59.621 --> 02:09:05.261
get the surgery, had no one to take care
of her when she could have gotten it.

02:09:05.651 --> 02:09:10.961
And so I just guided her with these little
tiny, what we call raccoon touches and

02:09:10.961 --> 02:09:16.271
to find out, she was just thinking it
was her knee, but it was actually, if you

02:09:16.631 --> 02:09:20.021
just feel gently, where is it painful?

02:09:20.021 --> 02:09:26.021
And I would fall, I just had her follow
it down and in, and then she found out, oh

02:09:26.141 --> 02:09:28.661
wow, that's sore all the way down my leg.

02:09:29.261 --> 02:09:31.481
And then you go off the area.

02:09:31.481 --> 02:09:33.221
That's, so, that's sore.

02:09:33.221 --> 02:09:37.181
And just with the gentleness movements
of whatever part of your fingers

02:09:37.181 --> 02:09:41.861
you can use, it's just like moving
the tissue as lightly as possible

02:09:41.861 --> 02:09:44.651
in this one and a quarter movement.

02:09:45.851 --> 02:09:50.651
And it's like connecting into this
intelligence, this, whatever you wanna

02:09:50.651 --> 02:09:57.461
call it, divine sourced, universal God
intelligence, that we are every cell.

02:09:57.821 --> 02:09:58.381
That's been science.

02:09:58.381 --> 02:10:01.391
That's the science behind
that is totally proven.

02:10:01.691 --> 02:10:03.401
Rupert Isaacson: So it's
interesting that, you know, yeah.

02:10:03.401 --> 02:10:05.471
You're not, you're not saying,
okay, well I'm, I'm, I'm

02:10:05.471 --> 02:10:06.791
superhuman because of all this.

02:10:06.791 --> 02:10:09.071
You, you've gone through chronic
fatigue, you've gone through

02:10:09.071 --> 02:10:10.511
Epstein Bar, you've gone through.

02:10:10.911 --> 02:10:13.961
Hashimotos and Hashimotos, as
we know, is a thyroid thing.

02:10:13.961 --> 02:10:20.111
It something one lives with rather than
gets rid of, but some people, present

02:10:20.111 --> 02:10:22.121
it, rather obviously some people do not.

02:10:22.121 --> 02:10:25.391
I would, I would never have thought that
to, to know you and look at you and see

02:10:25.391 --> 02:10:27.582
how active and vital you, you always are.

02:10:27.761 --> 02:10:32.501
I'm always astonished that you are
getting off planes and dealing with jet

02:10:32.501 --> 02:10:38.531
lag and, and, and, and doing all this
stuff When you got Covid,  you, like

02:10:39.011 --> 02:10:41.801
quite a lot of people who got covid
ended up with a sort of a long covid.

02:10:42.361 --> 02:10:44.881
but you have also managed
to keep traveling.

02:10:45.491 --> 02:10:50.331
I just met you in, now I'm talking to
you in, in, Jusa, Florida, but I not so

02:10:50.331 --> 02:10:52.551
long ago was talking to you in Germany.

02:10:53.211 --> 02:11:00.321
how has Te touch allowed you to deal
with that long covid and what of

02:11:00.321 --> 02:11:03.681
the long covid do you suffer from?

02:11:04.281 --> 02:11:08.571
How much of the TTouch do you use
to alleviate suffering and how much

02:11:08.571 --> 02:11:10.731
do you use for general maintenance?

02:11:10.736 --> 02:11:12.381
And what's, what's the equation?

02:11:13.401 --> 02:11:16.731
Linda TJ: Well, the equation
here is looking from all sides.

02:11:17.301 --> 02:11:21.651
What can I do with TTouch, with my,
you know, when I get anxious that I'm

02:11:21.651 --> 02:11:24.831
foggy-headed, I can do the heart hug.

02:11:25.791 --> 02:11:28.761
And breathe and bring
myself into calmness.

02:11:29.181 --> 02:11:34.641
But what's really important,
because I'm 85 and this covid has

02:11:34.641 --> 02:11:38.541
affected many people, much younger
than I am in ways that would be

02:11:38.541 --> 02:11:41.091
later, it affects the hearing.

02:11:41.091 --> 02:11:46.911
So I'm really paying attention, Rupert,
to, you know, what's being said now is

02:11:46.911 --> 02:11:51.411
that our, our hearing or if you have
tinnitus, which I've had for about

02:11:51.411 --> 02:11:54.201
seven years, that affects our memory.

02:11:54.201 --> 02:11:59.211
And I was getting really anxious
because my memory, I am so usually

02:11:59.541 --> 02:12:04.641
names and times and places are at my
fingertips that I was losing them and

02:12:04.641 --> 02:12:06.531
that was making me really anxious.

02:12:06.531 --> 02:12:13.621
So,  it's through this light, oxytocin,
light contact to activate the oxytocin.

02:12:14.071 --> 02:12:16.321
And this one in a quarter circle thing.

02:12:16.326 --> 02:12:22.471
Wait a minute, I can connect into
this divine intelligence in my body.

02:12:23.491 --> 02:12:26.491
And then, but I need way
more than that, you all.

02:12:26.551 --> 02:12:26.971
I am.

02:12:27.061 --> 02:12:31.651
I went to Costco and I got my hearing
tested and everybody said, oh, come

02:12:31.651 --> 02:12:33.151
on Linda, why are you doing that?

02:12:33.151 --> 02:12:34.891
Because you're, you don't
have a problem with hearing.

02:12:35.251 --> 02:12:38.761
Well, I wasn't aware of it, but
when I went and did the covid

02:12:38.766 --> 02:12:43.321
testing, which I really recommend,
they give you re amazing, everybody

02:12:43.321 --> 02:12:44.881
says it's the best you can get.

02:12:45.341 --> 02:12:50.711
I had a mild to extreme hearing
loss, and they say that's what

02:12:50.981 --> 02:12:53.261
causes us to lose our memory.

02:12:54.186 --> 02:12:57.416
Okay, so I'm, so I'm
wrestling with that, you all.

02:12:58.316 --> 02:13:03.626
And also,  I'm, I did a sleep apnea
test because who would ever think

02:13:03.626 --> 02:13:07.526
that you wouldn't get enough oxygen at
night unless you're paying attention?

02:13:07.531 --> 02:13:10.946
So that can have to do
with my Epstein bar.

02:13:11.406 --> 02:13:16.886
So, and I go to integrative doctors and I
use whatever, all kinds of different ways.

02:13:16.886 --> 02:13:23.036
I get IV glutathione, which,
ah, how often do you do that?

02:13:24.086 --> 02:13:25.556
Oh, a couple of times.

02:13:26.606 --> 02:13:28.366
At least once a month, sometimes twice.

02:13:29.356 --> 02:13:29.646
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

02:13:29.996 --> 02:13:30.206
Okay.

02:13:30.386 --> 02:13:34.586
I'm just, I, I have a, a bit of
a knowledge of glutathione only

02:13:34.586 --> 02:13:38.436
because,  for those of us who've lived
with, children with autism, there

02:13:38.446 --> 02:13:44.046
can be, when we had Rowan, my oldest
son,  who was autistic,  tested in

02:13:44.046 --> 02:13:47.876
the early days for various things,
it turned out that he did lack,  a

02:13:47.876 --> 02:13:51.296
gene,  that produced,  glutathione.

02:13:51.896 --> 02:13:56.336
And we gave him glutathione, which is some
people may know, is a collating agent.

02:13:56.336 --> 02:14:00.896
It washes, it's, it's a natural product
that your body produces to wash toxins

02:14:01.466 --> 02:14:02.706
and other bad things out of your system.

02:14:04.346 --> 02:14:07.286
so you, and so we would give him
glutathione and then at a certain

02:14:07.286 --> 02:14:09.776
point it, it seemed that we could stop.

02:14:09.956 --> 02:14:11.456
How long have you been taking glutathione?

02:14:11.576 --> 02:14:12.236
That's interesting.

02:14:13.106 --> 02:14:19.626
Linda TJ: Well, I started taking it in
the liquid form  three years ago, and I'm

02:14:19.626 --> 02:14:23.921
going to test for it again because I just
found,  a place where I can get it iv.

02:14:23.981 --> 02:14:25.841
So I've done six of those.

02:14:26.171 --> 02:14:28.121
And that's the question
is how much you need?

02:14:28.121 --> 02:14:28.721
I don't know.

02:14:29.081 --> 02:14:34.271
I mean, I think that when your body's
suffering from, you know, Epstein Bar

02:14:34.276 --> 02:14:38.441
and this, and long covid, which we
don't know, but I'm, I'm, today I'm

02:14:38.446 --> 02:14:42.841
going to be in touch with my, I have
a friend,  in Germany who's a really

02:14:42.846 --> 02:14:48.001
wonderful integrative doctor, and I,
she has two horses and I trade her

02:14:49.411 --> 02:14:53.101
support with her horses and she gives
me support with all our blood work.

02:14:53.106 --> 02:15:00.086
And, you know, the thinking of of,  how
do you affect your body without the drugs?

02:15:01.376 --> 02:15:03.326
Rupert Isaacson: You know, what I,
what I love about this, Linda, is,

02:15:03.386 --> 02:15:10.446
is so often when one is, talking with
people who are, practitioners of,

02:15:11.166 --> 02:15:15.551
let's say alternative health, there's
often a feeling I think, among them

02:15:15.731 --> 02:15:20.231
that they have to present themselves
as shiny examples of perfect health.

02:15:20.231 --> 02:15:21.221
Otherwise, people won't.

02:15:21.801 --> 02:15:22.886
Believe in what they do.

02:15:22.886 --> 02:15:24.686
They'll be like, well, you're
sick, so how can your stuff?

02:15:24.956 --> 02:15:28.286
But what I love is that you can wear
this on your sleeve and say, no,

02:15:28.286 --> 02:15:29.786
no, I, I get sick like anybody else.

02:15:29.816 --> 02:15:30.236
Mm-hmm.

02:15:30.286 --> 02:15:32.086
I get, I get the same
things that other people do.

02:15:32.596 --> 02:15:34.306
but I've got this busy work schedule.

02:15:34.306 --> 02:15:35.446
I kind of have to keep going.

02:15:35.451 --> 02:15:36.586
I have to keep getting on planes.

02:15:37.046 --> 02:15:42.196
when I, you know, up until a couple
of years ago, listeners, Linda was

02:15:42.196 --> 02:15:46.096
living in Hawaii, but, you know,
spending half the year touring

02:15:46.126 --> 02:15:50.926
Europe, I, I dunno how you did the
jet lag and the, and the exhaustion.

02:15:51.466 --> 02:15:51.856
Linda TJ: love flying.

02:15:53.536 --> 02:15:53.836
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.

02:15:54.326 --> 02:15:59.956
but yet there you are,  sort of
showing, look, if, if you manage

02:15:59.956 --> 02:16:03.316
yourself, yes, you can get these things.

02:16:03.976 --> 02:16:07.906
These things are sort of natural
things to get, but it doesn't have

02:16:07.906 --> 02:16:11.446
to stop you and it doesn't have
to impair your quality of life.

02:16:13.456 --> 02:16:16.096
Linda TJ: Well, that is the question
and that I think it's why we need

02:16:16.096 --> 02:16:19.096
to talk about these because there
are days when I'm really foggy

02:16:19.096 --> 02:16:21.106
and I'm what they've discovered.

02:16:21.106 --> 02:16:24.956
Now recently there have been
big,  conferences in Germany

02:16:24.956 --> 02:16:28.806
with the integrative,  doctors
finding out that there are.

02:16:30.036 --> 02:16:33.816
Protein strands apparently in the
blood of people with long covid.

02:16:34.266 --> 02:16:39.096
So I want to know if I can be tested for
that, cuz I'd love to know, because if

02:16:39.096 --> 02:16:43.656
you know that, then you can start using
the energy and talking about how we can

02:16:43.656 --> 02:16:48.366
affect, you know, the light in ourselves,
bringing light into the fogginess in

02:16:48.366 --> 02:16:53.226
the head and talking to other friends
who have it and managed to keep going.

02:16:53.486 --> 02:16:55.926
Yeah, that's my, that's my question.

02:16:56.076 --> 02:16:58.726
Rupert Isaacson: You know, it's
interesting,  what springs to mind is,

02:16:58.796 --> 02:17:00.676
I, I forget where they did this study.

02:17:01.456 --> 02:17:07.086
You know, you read these studies,  but it
was a study on,  monks and nuns, I think

02:17:07.086 --> 02:17:10.966
Christian monks and nuns,  who didn't
appear, who were very old, who didn't

02:17:10.966 --> 02:17:16.966
appear to be suffering the effects of
dementia or,  Alzheimer's, et cetera.

02:17:17.176 --> 02:17:22.756
But when they looked at their brains,
the, the same brain shrinkage and the

02:17:22.756 --> 02:17:27.706
same,  apparent brain degradation had
happened, yet they were not really

02:17:27.706 --> 02:17:30.946
showing much that was symptomatic.

02:17:31.336 --> 02:17:35.656
But yet there they were engaging with
nature, working in the gardens, leading

02:17:35.656 --> 02:17:39.456
a very spiritual life, leading a very
actualized life,  at least on their terms.

02:17:39.996 --> 02:17:45.026
connected in a, in a community,
strong,  connection with the

02:17:45.026 --> 02:17:47.276
divine,  strong intellectual life.

02:17:48.626 --> 02:17:54.086
And what was interesting is that on
paper they had the same issues to

02:17:54.086 --> 02:17:59.016
the same extent that people with a
grossly deteriorated,  quality of

02:17:59.196 --> 02:18:02.796
iPad, yet they did not have this
grossly deteriorated quality of life.

02:18:03.096 --> 02:18:06.731
And I find this fascinating and I,
there's, there seems to be a parallel

02:18:06.731 --> 02:18:10.721
there with what you're talking about
that you can have, no one would look

02:18:10.721 --> 02:18:12.911
at you, I'm looking at you right
now, the listeners can't see you.

02:18:12.916 --> 02:18:16.631
But I do not see somebody, or nor
am I hearing somebody who I would

02:18:16.631 --> 02:18:18.461
describe in any degree as foggy.

02:18:19.151 --> 02:18:22.751
But there you are saying Maru, you
know, there are days when I am.

02:18:23.531 --> 02:18:31.151
I love this honesty because it gives us
faith that we could manage ourselves to,

02:18:32.411 --> 02:18:36.251
Linda TJ: well, I think, and for me,
having, having this concept that I

02:18:36.256 --> 02:18:42.041
can put my own hands, melt my hands
on my body, and we didn't talk about

02:18:42.311 --> 02:18:45.971
the how we've named the different
parts of the hands that we use to

02:18:45.971 --> 02:18:47.651
make this one in a quarter circle.

02:18:47.701 --> 02:18:49.291
we've given them animal names.

02:18:49.861 --> 02:18:54.121
But you see during Covid, there were two
interesting things that came up for me.

02:18:54.511 --> 02:18:59.161
It was said that there's a
real,  happening of what's

02:18:59.166 --> 02:19:01.411
called feeling deficit syndrome.

02:19:01.411 --> 02:19:04.351
That people weren't feeling themselves,
weren't feeling their bodies.

02:19:04.561 --> 02:19:04.681
Hmm.

02:19:05.071 --> 02:19:07.951
Because we don't shake hands
and hugging all that mingling.

02:19:08.251 --> 02:19:12.361
And the other thing it said was,
The nature deficit syndrome.

02:19:12.601 --> 02:19:12.781
Yeah.

02:19:12.811 --> 02:19:16.201
For those who weren't having horses,
they could go out or couldn't

02:19:16.201 --> 02:19:17.731
walk their dog or didn't walk.

02:19:17.731 --> 02:19:20.461
Their dog stuck inside.

02:19:20.461 --> 02:19:24.421
But for me it's also, I don't
know what you just said about

02:19:24.421 --> 02:19:26.371
the nuns being in a community.

02:19:26.971 --> 02:19:32.041
I've had, I had, I had what they call
a mini-stroke, which is actually a t i

02:19:32.041 --> 02:19:34.651
a I had it on, what does t I stand for?

02:19:35.521 --> 02:19:36.121
Oh, I forget.

02:19:36.211 --> 02:19:36.871
I forget the word.

02:19:36.881 --> 02:19:38.821
It's, I dunno.

02:19:39.111 --> 02:19:39.741
We'll look it up.

02:19:39.811 --> 02:19:40.661
Yeah, don't mind.

02:19:40.661 --> 02:19:40.901
Yeah.

02:19:41.281 --> 02:19:45.301
It, it's a word I should memorize and
I, I can't remember it, but it's, it

02:19:45.306 --> 02:19:48.061
just, it's a warning for a stroke.

02:19:48.391 --> 02:19:50.671
And the thing is, I had no.

02:19:51.241 --> 02:19:55.311
I had, there was no
clotting and no bleeding.

02:19:55.341 --> 02:19:58.551
They don't know what caused
it, which is it to me.

02:19:58.551 --> 02:19:59.571
It was a wake up call.

02:19:59.571 --> 02:20:02.961
So that's when I said, okay,
man, I'm getting my ears tested.

02:20:03.291 --> 02:20:06.561
I'm getting my,  sleep
apnea, and I'm just waiting.

02:20:06.561 --> 02:20:08.411
And I've been talking to
me, quite a few friends.

02:20:08.751 --> 02:20:14.361
I found out who have these dap things,
and, and because when they tested me,

02:20:14.361 --> 02:20:18.801
Rupert, I told you this before, I was
found during the night to have like

02:20:19.281 --> 02:20:22.671
many episodes of only 68% oxygen.

02:20:23.061 --> 02:20:28.971
And the thing it is so wild is
that I woke up with dreams like

02:20:29.301 --> 02:20:31.101
five, six years ago in Hawaii.

02:20:31.161 --> 02:20:36.291
I kept waking up and I said to
Roland, I have to get more oxygen.

02:20:36.291 --> 02:20:40.371
And I tried to rent an oxygen machine,
but you know, you have to have a doctor

02:20:40.371 --> 02:20:41.541
and you have to know what you're doing.

02:20:41.546 --> 02:20:46.971
And it's very expensive if you don't have
insurance or have a doctor's prescription.

02:20:47.601 --> 02:20:50.451
So finally, I'm waiting
here for this cpap.

02:20:50.661 --> 02:20:52.911
When I say foggy, I don't
know what that means.

02:20:53.151 --> 02:20:58.371
It's sometimes I feel like I'm not in my
body and that's when I can use TTouch.

02:20:58.791 --> 02:21:01.971
But as soon as I start talking to
you and I think of all the people

02:21:01.971 --> 02:21:06.591
that we're reaching, talking, then
I get clear and I'm connected.

02:21:06.711 --> 02:21:10.641
It's like I'm connected
into that oneness of all.

02:21:10.851 --> 02:21:12.081
So I, I have the.

02:21:12.666 --> 02:21:16.176
Feeling of the community and
this connection to all of us.

02:21:16.226 --> 02:21:16.646
Mm-hmm.

02:21:16.726 --> 02:21:20.646
And so I, I, my sister came for
two weeks and I have another sister

02:21:20.646 --> 02:21:21.936
here now for another two weeks.

02:21:22.416 --> 02:21:27.306
And I need friends around me because
this is one of the things that they

02:21:27.306 --> 02:21:32.006
say is you get isolated, you know, when
you have a stroke or you have something

02:21:32.006 --> 02:21:33.606
like this and you're not as useful.

02:21:33.606 --> 02:21:33.726
Oh, good.

02:21:33.726 --> 02:21:33.816
Does

02:21:33.816 --> 02:21:36.241
Rupert Isaacson: that mean I can
invite myself with my, rambunctious

02:21:36.241 --> 02:21:38.851
children to, come and disrupt
your life in Duke of Florida?

02:21:39.931 --> 02:21:42.951
Linda TJ: Well, I'd love to have
you when we get our,  guest house

02:21:43.341 --> 02:21:46.641
built, but with you, can you and
Liliana, we have room prayer.

02:21:46.641 --> 02:21:47.451
You without the children.

02:21:47.451 --> 02:21:51.501
When we get the guest house built,
now they can come down our slide

02:21:51.501 --> 02:21:53.421
cuz we have a pool with a slide.

02:21:53.461 --> 02:21:53.681
Ooh.

02:21:54.441 --> 02:21:56.031
That was built for two children.

02:21:56.231 --> 02:21:56.521
Okay.

02:21:57.201 --> 02:21:58.041
Rupert Isaacson: I can supply.

02:21:59.181 --> 02:22:01.981
listen, Linda,  here's my, my request.

02:22:02.031 --> 02:22:04.492
we're, we're, you know, right
at a two and a half hours here.

02:22:04.671 --> 02:22:07.861
And,  there's so much more
I want to talk to you about.

02:22:08.251 --> 02:22:12.691
As I said at the before, when we're
doing our preamble, we have another

02:22:12.696 --> 02:22:15.451
podcast, which is Equine Assisted World.

02:22:15.451 --> 02:22:18.691
And obviously you have been
in this world and a pioneer in

02:22:18.696 --> 02:22:20.101
this world for the longest time.

02:22:20.311 --> 02:22:25.111
Now we, we have sort of the history
of how you became you and what you do.

02:22:25.321 --> 02:22:27.241
Would you do us the honor of coming on.

02:22:27.796 --> 02:22:30.386
To equine assisted world,  in
the next week or two.

02:22:30.986 --> 02:22:31.316
Absolutely.

02:22:31.656 --> 02:22:33.326
It's in more depth.

02:22:33.326 --> 02:22:36.146
We can re Cause as you say, we didn't
get into the different parts of the hand.

02:22:36.446 --> 02:22:39.386
There's, we've, we've barely
touched on what TTouch is.

02:22:39.386 --> 02:22:40.946
We've really just said that it exists.

02:22:41.316 --> 02:22:43.836
and given some people an
idea of a first contact.

02:22:44.346 --> 02:22:49.086
but I think we'd be doing listeners
a disservice if we didn't.

02:22:49.666 --> 02:22:52.126
you know, when, when I'm out
there training Horse Boy Method,

02:22:52.126 --> 02:22:54.586
for example, I'm always saying,
have you discovered Te Touch?

02:22:54.766 --> 02:22:56.746
You know, and there's always a
percentage of people that go, oh yes,

02:22:56.751 --> 02:22:59.566
absolutely then, and then there's people
of course who say, oh, what's that?

02:23:00.436 --> 02:23:04.636
And it's always my great pleasure to
say, it's a thing you should know, . So,

02:23:04.686 --> 02:23:07.926
would you, would you please come on
again and we can go into more depth?

02:23:08.736 --> 02:23:12.726
Linda TJ: Rupert is such an honor and a
pleasure for me to spend time with you.

02:23:13.056 --> 02:23:18.546
I, and I love your questions always, but
I, I just, I have to tell you, I have

02:23:18.546 --> 02:23:23.946
a lot of books here and so many people
have influenced my books, but the books

02:23:23.946 --> 02:23:28.386
that stand out in my mind that cannot
put this book down were your books.

02:23:29.016 --> 02:23:33.696
You are, and the the Long
Ride Home, holy moly.

02:23:33.906 --> 02:23:35.346
All of your experiences.

02:23:35.346 --> 02:23:37.626
But it's the way you express yourself.

02:23:38.316 --> 02:23:40.716
Listeners, you have to get those books.

02:23:41.106 --> 02:23:48.486
I mean, your courage, but your, your,
your Wordman Smith, I'm, I'm a wordsmith.

02:23:48.486 --> 02:23:51.876
I just love words and the way you use it.

02:23:51.966 --> 02:23:52.986
Like nobody.

02:23:54.246 --> 02:23:56.326
Nobody I know, Robert, thank you.

02:23:56.331 --> 02:24:01.596
You get a, a motion in in
these words that you put.

02:24:01.596 --> 02:24:04.596
It just jumps out of the page at me.

02:24:05.076 --> 02:24:05.646
Rupert Isaacson: Thank you.

02:24:06.546 --> 02:24:11.586
speaking of books, if people were
to pick up a book by you, you got

02:24:11.586 --> 02:24:14.196
22 of them, where should they start?

02:24:14.196 --> 02:24:18.876
What's the book that they should
pick up to understand you and your

02:24:18.876 --> 02:24:21.036
work at at least as a beginning step?

02:24:22.266 --> 02:24:27.196
Linda TJ: Well,  maybe my latest, it
depends if they're in the horses or dogs.

02:24:27.526 --> 02:24:32.306
My latest horse book,  I
wrote with my new Mandy

02:24:32.936 --> 02:24:33.566
what is this one?

02:24:34.396 --> 02:24:38.696
This is called training and
retraining the Tellington Way.

02:24:39.176 --> 02:24:39.596
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

02:24:40.226 --> 02:24:42.536
Training and retraining
horses the tellington way.

02:24:42.541 --> 02:24:43.046
Very good.

02:24:43.226 --> 02:24:45.446
And people can find that on Amazon.

02:24:45.451 --> 02:24:46.646
Amazon, right.

02:24:46.736 --> 02:24:51.911
And then if they're into dogs, What should
they, what should they read your dogs?

02:24:52.641 --> 02:24:53.721
Linda TJ: where's my dog book?

02:24:53.841 --> 02:24:54.921
Get the exact title.

02:24:54.921 --> 02:24:56.301
I've got so many books here.

02:24:56.931 --> 02:25:01.631
so it's getting in tea, touch
with your dog, tea touch with

02:25:01.631 --> 02:25:02.111
Rupert Isaacson: your dog,

02:25:02.301 --> 02:25:04.631
Linda TJ: getting, getting
in tea, touch with your dog,

02:25:04.631 --> 02:25:09.191
Rupert Isaacson: getting int touch with
your dog, getting int touch with your dog.

02:25:09.521 --> 02:25:09.871
Linda TJ: Right.

02:25:09.871 --> 02:25:10.151
Okay.

02:25:10.151 --> 02:25:14.891
And if they're, if they're
into human,  it's tea.

02:25:14.891 --> 02:25:17.151
Touch for Healthcare.

02:25:17.891 --> 02:25:18.111
Tea

02:25:18.111 --> 02:25:19.191
Rupert Isaacson: Touch for healthcare.

02:25:19.331 --> 02:25:21.731
So if you're, just enter this
for a human point of view.

02:25:22.421 --> 02:25:24.701
T touch for healthcare.

02:25:25.511 --> 02:25:25.691
Right.

02:25:25.696 --> 02:25:26.141
Perfect.

02:25:26.521 --> 02:25:31.541
And let's just give people your u r
url again, your website again to Yes.

02:25:32.111 --> 02:25:38.081
Linda TJ: To get the classes
you go to learn.ttouch.ca.

02:25:40.211 --> 02:25:43.061
Rupert Isaacson: Www dot learn dot TTouch.

02:25:43.431 --> 02:25:43.651
Yes.

02:25:44.151 --> 02:25:45.011
Ca got it.

02:25:46.001 --> 02:25:46.151
Right.

02:25:46.151 --> 02:25:46.511
Okay.

02:25:46.841 --> 02:25:49.031
Alright, Linda, thank you.

02:25:49.181 --> 02:25:50.681
I must go.

02:25:50.681 --> 02:25:54.761
I have someone who's in the saddle who'll
be expecting me there in 15 minutes.

02:25:55.361 --> 02:25:58.271
I just jump in the car and go,
otherwise, I'll be crossed.

02:25:58.611 --> 02:25:58.731
enjoy.

02:25:59.751 --> 02:26:03.231
I cannot thank you enough for this.

02:26:03.261 --> 02:26:04.341
It's been such a treat.

02:26:04.791 --> 02:26:07.641
I know our listeners will feel the same
and I can't wait to have you back on,

02:26:08.091 --> 02:26:11.901
but equine assisted world to go deeper
into Tito Touch and how it works,

02:26:12.291 --> 02:26:14.691
Linda TJ: I look forward to it
and I look forward to sharing

02:26:14.691 --> 02:26:18.171
the stuff I did for years before
there was ever an association.

02:26:18.951 --> 02:26:19.401
Rupert Isaacson: All right.

02:26:19.551 --> 02:26:20.151
Let's do it.

02:26:20.781 --> 02:26:21.261
See you soon.

02:26:21.266 --> 02:26:21.441
Okay.

02:26:21.671 --> 02:26:21.961
Okay.

02:26:21.991 --> 02:26:23.201
Much, much love.

02:26:23.201 --> 02:26:23.401
Bye.

02:26:23.761 --> 02:26:24.311
Bye-Bye.

02:26:24.881 --> 02:26:25.391
Linda TJ: Aloha

02:26:25.714 --> 02:26:26.824
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