WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:15.880 practical ways. Well, good morning, good morning, we talk the 4 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:19.120 whole not through good morning, good morning. 5 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:20.640 To you and you and you. 6 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:24.079 Oh man, it's just made somebody's day. 7 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:26.839 Morning today, Jeff, it is a good morning Wednesday. 8 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.199 Well, today's a big singing day because you sang a 9 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:34.000 nice song for us, everybody's favorite song. But we have 10 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:37.920 we have a segment. Yeah, we have a segment. Uh 11 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:41.079 that we've been working really hard because the podcast just 12 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:42.840 keeps getting cooler and cooler. 13 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:44.960 Does it, Jeff? 14 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:49.759 This little show we do and so uh and and 15 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:52.240 now thousands of people did you see you had a 16 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:54.799 thing blow up on you last week? He had like 17 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:59.039 twenty five thousand views on one little short that you did. 18 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:00.359 Yeah, I didn't know that, which. 19 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:07.799 You look at it. So it's big man. You're a big time, 20 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:12.040 big time So since you since you are single handedly 21 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:16.680 making us a big time show, I thought perhaps perhaps 22 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:21.400 with email, I thought perhaps you could help us with 23 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:24.159 the theme song. We need a cooler themes. So I see, 24 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:28.680 we need a cool theme song. And so today let's 25 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:32.359 do you know there aren't any really great theme songs 26 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:35.239 for the modern TV shows, not like there used to be. 27 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:38.599 That everybody knows, But do you know the theme song? 28 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.920 Maybe maybe the best theme song ever was to the Jeffersons. 29 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:43.640 Oh of course you. 30 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:45.920 Remember the Jeffersons. Can you do? Can you do a 31 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:48.439 Bible guysed theme song for the Jeffersons? Because I asked 32 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.439 chep GPT and and then you have it on your 33 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:56.000 phone now about helping us out? So chat GPT. 34 00:01:57.239 --> 00:01:59.400 Yeah, yeah, well I'm not sure how good it's going 35 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:00.840 to be, but I will attempt it. 36 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:02.760 Okay, okay, okay, okay, here we go. 37 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:05.959 So here's what chat Okay, it goes. 38 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:11.800 We're moving on up to the word side, to a 39 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:17.439 Bible fed life at sanctified. Well, we're moving on up 40 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:23.800 with some lashing grace. We finally found our podcast. Please 41 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.240 sins don't fly with the big guy, so we don't 42 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:32.639 burn on the grill. Jesus did all of the r 43 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:37.879 Ryan so we can get up that here to arriving Heaven, 44 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:41.159 the big leagues, taking our turn and life. 45 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:43.240 Remember Jephson goes out like that. 46 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:46.159 As long as we living, it's you and me, buddy 47 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:47.319 God takes away. 48 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:48.599 I strive for where we're. 49 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:54.280 Moving on up to the truth side, cracking jokes with 50 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:55.159 the Lord. 51 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:58.479 As our guide. Well, we're moving on up. 52 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:01.919 The Bible guy, oh no, come along for the ride. 53 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:05.240 The Bible guys are bone of five. 54 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:08.120 Then and then it ends and he goes the Bible 55 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:10.240 guys are bone of fire. 56 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.080 Yes, that's it, right there, it is. Okay, we're canceling 57 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:18.639 the rest of the thing and we're just going to 58 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:20.479 do this the rest of the show. There it is 59 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:21.159 that right there. 60 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:24.159 All right. Wow, I don't know how good that was, 61 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:24.840 but I attempted. 62 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:26.680 I think we should talk to Dez and see if 63 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:28.319 we can't just get that to be the new rolling 64 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:31.199 is that it's you and I can just walking. 65 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:36.039 That horrible don't fly with the big guy. We can 66 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:37.919 do jazz hands. It'd be great. 67 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:39.120 That's awesome. 68 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:40.120 That's really funny. 69 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:44.039 Okay, Well, thank you so much for all the powers 70 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:45.360 that be that made that happen. 71 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:45.639 Yeah. 72 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:48.719 Well, you know, hey, it's it's my pleasure to amuse you, Jeff. 73 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:50.960 That was In fact, I don't really care about anybody 74 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:52.280 else as long as you last. 75 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:53.400 But I'm good. 76 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:55.280 That was fantastic. 77 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:58.159 Hey, speaking of fantastic. 78 00:03:58.439 --> 00:03:58.719 Huh. 79 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:01.400 You know what else is fantastic? Weddings? 80 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:02.840 Weddings. Weddings are cool. 81 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.599 Yeah, and apparently we're going to be talking about weddings 82 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:08.120 today on Oh wait. 83 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.560 A minute, Oh it's the opposite. 84 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.400 I looked at the wrong chapter. Hey, hey, ready for 85 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:15.919 this hate that's like, I don't know where you're going 86 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:19.120 with that. Okay, how about this ready? That was fantastic. 87 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:22.480 You know what is not fantastic? What seven woes? 88 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:27.600 When people don't preach what, they don't live what they preach. 89 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:30.800 Yeah, I just looked at the caption. It says seven woes. 90 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:32.959 Okay, seven woes. 91 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:34.319 So talking about a horrible transition. 92 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:37.360 So so this one is they do not practice what 93 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:37.920 they preach. 94 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:40.319 Yeah. Yeah, which, by the way, is a very famous 95 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:42.720 saying yes Jesus made popular. 96 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:45.160 Yeah, he made a lot of popular saying yes he 97 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.000 really did turn the other cheek, go the extra mile? 98 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.480 Yeah, well yeah, much more than that. 99 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:50.399 But just what you preach. 100 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:52.319 And there are people who, by. 101 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:54.399 The way, use sayings and they don't know where they 102 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.279 came from, have any idea. Yeah, they had no idea 103 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:58.279 when they say go the extra mile. No, I don't 104 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:01.800 think almost anybody I know, unless they grew up in church, 105 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:02.879 they would. 106 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:04.600 Have no idea or ever cracked the Bible. 107 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:06.360 Or ever cracked a Bible. They wouldn't even know that 108 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:08.120 came from Jesus. Yeah. 109 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.120 Well, we are in Matthew chapter twenty three today, and 110 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:14.480 the premise of our podcast now is what if Jesus 111 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:16.759 had a podcast? That's right, And so we're taking famous 112 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:19.759 sayings that Jesus said, we're just kind of yeah, unpacking them. 113 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:21.439 What content would he cover? 114 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:22.439 Yeah? 115 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:24.279 And furthermore, what would people ask him about it? 116 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:25.399 And I think one of the things he would have 117 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.480 covered was watch out for those Pharisees, because they don't 118 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:31.560 practice what they preach. Probably so so as a matter 119 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:35.800 of fact, funny enough, that's exactly what he says right 120 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:39.240 here in Matthew chapter twenty three, in verse one, it says, 121 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:41.279 then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 122 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:43.920 the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the 123 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:47.759 official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and 124 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.199 obey whatever they tell you, but don't follow their example, 125 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:54.839 for they don't practice what they teach. They crush people 126 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:58.199 with their unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger 127 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.839 to ease the burden. Everything they do is for show 128 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:03.360 on their arms. They wear extra wide prayer boxes with 129 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:07.199 scripture versus inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. 130 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:09.920 And they love to sit at the head table at 131 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:12.360 banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. 132 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:14.879 And they love to receive respectful greetings as they walk 133 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.399 in the marketplaces, and to be called rabbi. Don't let 134 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.480 anyone call you rabbi, for you have only one teacher, 135 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:24.199 and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. 136 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.279 Don't address anyone here on earth as father, for only 137 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:29.639 God in Heaven is your father. And don't let anyone 138 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.519 call you teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. 139 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:36.199 The greatest among you must be a servant. But those 140 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.560 who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble 141 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:40.959 themselves will be exalted. 142 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:43.600 Is that it? 143 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.360 Yeah, that's right. Well I'm only wrong for twelve Oh 144 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:49.000 why you were talking about all the woes? 145 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:49.839 I want you to go on. 146 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:51.319 You want me to get into all the woes. 147 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:54.360 Yeah, but that's okay, because, like I said, I just 148 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:56.600 didn't realize we were only doing twelve verses. That's why 149 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:57.920 I said seven woes earlier. 150 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.319 Okay, so prac you you kind of set it, you 151 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:03.399 kind of set the table for everybody. Well, let's go 152 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:04.319 read the seven woes. 153 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:05.720 Hey, hey, let's let's be honest. 154 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:10.399 My transitions missed on everybody that that transition was not 155 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:11.000 well thought. 156 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.720 Well, you were in the wrong passage, yes, and then 157 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:17.160 beyond where we're actually reading. 158 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:19.959 So you might say I did the before and the after, 159 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:22.000 I missed the actual passage. 160 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.000 Yes, So yes, I'm here for you, buddy. 161 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:29.519 Thanks buddy. Uh so we have uh Jesus with the Pharisees. 162 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:35.800 And wow, what an unbelievably strong uh rebuke. 163 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:38.800 I guess, yes, right against the religious leaders. 164 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:42.480 And again he wasn't He wasn't rebuking their position necessarily. 165 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:49.319 He was rebuking their spirit, their mindset, their attitude, their what, 166 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:54.879 their false humility, their arrogance, their pride. 167 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:56.519 Right, So it wasn't. 168 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:58.959 Necessarily about the fact that they were the religious leaders. 169 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:01.720 It was the fact that they were not right and 170 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:05.000 just about anything that they thought or how they acted. 171 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.519 And so he's really saying, goodness gracious, right, because when 172 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:11.480 you hear that, you could take it at face value, 173 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:12.879 and you could be like, well, wait a minute, we 174 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:15.800 call Chris teacher, right, what do you mean It says, 175 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.399 don't call you teacher. You only have one teacher, you know, 176 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.920 don't call anybody father. Wait a minute, we have religious 177 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:21.959 people that we call father. 178 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:22.639 Right. 179 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:24.720 It's like, is that a sin? It's like, is it 180 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:26.240 a sin to call me a teacher? It's like, what 181 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.600 do you mean, don't call? And what Jesus is doing 182 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:32.519 is he's talking about attitudes. He's not talking about titles, 183 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:35.879 you know, He's talking about the spirit in which you 184 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.120 are saying, like, hey, God is the only teacher right now? 185 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.519 You and I teach, right, but we teach from the 186 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.279 teacher capital t Right. That's the posture that Jesus is 187 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.679 talking about. He's not saying it's a sin to call 188 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:53.000 me or you or anybody else a teacher. He's saying, 189 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:57.039 when you posture yourself as the teacher, that's where the 190 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:59.879 sin comes in, right, Because he's saying, they love to 191 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:03.519 be called the rabbi. They sit themselves at the highest 192 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:07.480 place in the banquet table. They put you know, they 193 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:10.840 make themselves the show that they're the spectacle. They're the 194 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.639 ones to be admired, not God them. They place themselves 195 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:17.879 as the people to be admired, and Jesus is saying, 196 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:23.799 don't place yourself as the man, and so I quivate. 197 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:28.559 Uh equivalent? What am I start trying to say? I'm 198 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:31.000 trying Is that a word equivalent? 199 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:32.480 No? 200 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:38.519 No, huh, well I equal that to for instance, somebody 201 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:41.039 coming up to me and saying, like, man, that was 202 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:43.759 a life changing message, and me actually thinking. 203 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:46.039 Man, I'm glad I was able to change your life. 204 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:47.320 I'm glad I did that. 205 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:48.600 Yes, thank you. 206 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:52.759 So you're welcome. You're a welcome person. Right as if? 207 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.919 As if, as if God isn't the one who. 208 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:56.600 Does all the growing? 209 00:09:57.240 --> 00:09:58.200 Right? Right? 210 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.200 So what is it? What does the Bible say? All 211 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.240 says He says, we plant, we water, God gives them. 212 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:04.600 That's correct. 213 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:07.919 God does the growing. God does all the work. Right 214 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:10.360 we were All we're doing is we're putting the seed 215 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:13.840 in the ground. We're watering and saying, okay, God, make 216 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:14.600 sure that you know. 217 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:16.399 I pray that that grows. 218 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:18.720 I pray it grows into a fruit or you know, 219 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.320 a plant or whatever. And God does all the miraculous 220 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:23.440 work and all those things. 221 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:28.360 So I think it's interesting. I'm agreeing with you on 222 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:32.440 this that it's really the intent of the rabbi language 223 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:36.960 or the father language, and what he's pushing back against. 224 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:42.600 It's it's very interesting. At the beginning, he says, you 225 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:46.559 should do what they say, You should follow their teaching, right, 226 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:49.919 do whatever they tell you, just don't follow their example. 227 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:57.320 So they they were teaching God's words, so so they're 228 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:00.879 the teaching of God's words you should do. They're the 229 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:03.720 experts on God's words. You should do what they tell 230 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.200 you as long as it aligns with God's words. Paul said, 231 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:10.279 follow me as I follow Christ. Remember when he said that, 232 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:12.919 it's kind of the same idea. As long as they're 233 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:16.559 following God's words, do what they say, but don't do 234 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.919 what they do because they're hypocrites in the way that 235 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:22.759 they're living. They don't even practice what they preach. So 236 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:25.759 you should do the words of God, just don't model 237 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:31.440 your life after them. And then it's his concern about 238 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:36.440 the fact that they're adding so much to God's words. 239 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.799 So the word of God that they were teaching was true, 240 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.559 the law of God was clear. And then they would say, 241 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:44.080 but let me tell you what that means. And then 242 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:45.840 they'd go on for forty five minutes or an hour 243 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:48.480 or two hours. As matter of fact, there were rooms 244 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:54.679 full of books that the rabbis wrote about the Book, right, 245 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.519 and we do that today. Where how many Christians do 246 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:00.639 I know that have read dozens and dozens and dozens 247 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:05.399 of Christian books but have never read the New Testament? Right? Right? 248 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:08.720 They read about it, they don't read it, or have 249 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:12.519 listened to so many podcasts or like us talking about 250 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.759 the Bible rather than actually reading the Bible. And so 251 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:20.080 what happens is people often begin to take the words 252 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:23.720 said from guys like us and make them equal to 253 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.600 the words of God. And those aren't the same. 254 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:28.639 And thank goodness that we actually have God's word on 255 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.000 the podcast, because there are some podcasts that bring up 256 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.039 topics they never read from God's word. 257 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.120 That's right, right, And that's why we want to spend 258 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.879 time in God's work. God's words matter far more than 259 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:39.399 my opinion about them matter. 260 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:41.639 Well, I think I said this to you before, but 261 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:44.240 I've never said this on the podcast. When I preached, 262 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:46.600 I was I was a young man, and I and 263 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:49.600 my pastor gave me big church. Right, you know what 264 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:51.759 big church is, right? We call it big church back then, 265 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:53.679 because you know, you and I grew up as youths. 266 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:56.080 So I was in big church and I took a 267 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:00.279 Sunday moment with all the grown ups and I got 268 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:02.679 done and I said, how was it? And he said fantastic. 269 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:05.120 He goes, it was great except for one thing. I 270 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.600 said what, And he goes, it was more about your 271 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:09.080 words than it was about God's word. 272 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:11.440 I said, what do you mean. I was very offended 273 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:11.960 at first. 274 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:14.639 And he said, it sounds like you had your thoughts 275 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:16.879 that you wanted to say about what you thought, and 276 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.200 then you just picked random verses to support your thoughts. 277 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:22.960 You just sprinkled in versus. 278 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.159 To support your thoughts, he said, as opposed to taking 279 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:30.000 God's word and teaching from the word. Yeah, and he said, 280 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:31.720 and then and then here's the saying that stood out 281 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:31.919 to me. 282 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:32.639 He said. 283 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:34.559 And he called me brother Chris, because back then, yeah, 284 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:38.120 that's what they called you in that world. But he said, 285 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:41.440 he goes, brother Chris. God promises to bless his words, 286 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.399 not yours. And I remember thinking, oh, yeah, that's a 287 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:50.240 pretty pretty important truth to remember, right, God promises to 288 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.120 bless his words. 289 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.519 That's that's that's that's a blessing that comes with it. 290 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:57.879 Right, his word will not return void. Right, His word 291 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:00.919 is powerful, effective, it is, it is. It is given 292 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:04.600 for training and correction and instruction and training, righteousness, all 293 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:07.720 that stuff. That's the power of his words. All of 294 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:11.039 that comes with a blessing. But God doesn't promise to 295 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:11.799 bless my words. 296 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:17.080 So why would I build upon me? Right, you're supposed 297 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:17.399 to build it. 298 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:20.519 And then ever since then, I've always, you know, tried 299 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:24.559 my best to say, Okay, this is centered around the 300 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.080 word of God, even if it's a lot of you know, 301 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:27.960 I've preached. 302 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:30.240 Whole sermons around one verse. Sure, you know, so it's 303 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:31.039 not the content. 304 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:34.919 It is actually like everything's built upon the central truth 305 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:39.159 of what God says. If everything's built upon that, then 306 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:40.919 that's where God's word gets the priority. 307 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:44.120 When when you and I first started working together, you 308 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:47.120 know what, how long ago, almost five years now and 309 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:51.279 half before you came on staff, we had some extensive conversations. 310 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.519 Because you came on our team to become the lead 311 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.320 teaching pastor. You took over the whole teaching team. All 312 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:59.919 of the preaching, most of the messages go through you. 313 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:05.279 I wrote the series that we just came finished, made new, 314 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:07.240 but I kept sending it to you and I said, 315 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:12.799 cristify it. Right, So you're the lead teaching pastor on 316 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:14.919 a team, so almost everything goes through you. Right now. 317 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:19.000 Kyle who's been on our podcast, Kyle dobam Meyer, he's 318 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:21.799 been on the podcast many times. He's helping write this 319 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:22.600 current message. 320 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:24.399 Well, I would argue and say he is writing it, 321 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:26.320 I'm but I'm cristifying it. 322 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:29.200 Yeah yeah, well yeah, so it flows through you and 323 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:32.080 that's your role on the team. But we had an 324 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:36.759 extensive conversations before you came about the idea of the 325 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:40.519 difference between preaching from God's word and preaching about God's 326 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:44.559 word and the danger. In our context, we're highly attractional, 327 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:47.960 we share the Gospel a lot, we're not shy about 328 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:52.080 being topical. The danger is to preach about God's words 329 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:56.639 rather than preaching from God's words. So that's a constant 330 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:59.240 challenge for us. It's what we're constantly teaching our young 331 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.000 preachers to be the is we preach from God's words. 332 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:05.960 Everything should emanate from what God said, not from our 333 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.559 opinions about what God said. And that's a difficult balance 334 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:13.240 for preachers, even for people who like the brag about 335 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.799 the fact that they're expository preachers, unless they're only reading 336 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:19.440 God's words and they don't say anything else. There's also 337 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:21.679 the danger that they're going to read God's words and 338 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.120 then tell you everything they think about it, and they're 339 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:27.519 only really preaching about God's word rather than from God's words. 340 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:31.559 So there's always that danger. So there's a challenge for 341 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:35.559 those of our listeners that have maybe a little bit 342 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:41.080 more tenure in the church world. There's an argument about 343 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:44.879 preaching style. Should it be topical or should it be 344 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:49.799 expository And topical meaning, you know, we talk about marriage, 345 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.919 we talk about finances, we talk about raising families, we 346 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:58.879 talk about finding peace, wory angered that's right, and expository 347 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:03.360 meaning we're going to preach from One Corinthians chapter six today, right, 348 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:05.359 and we're gonna start at verse one, we're gonna end 349 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:07.759 at verse twelve. We're gonna just kind of unpack it all. 350 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:11.440 And the idea of expository preaching sometimes is the opinion 351 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.279 would be that it is superior. I like both yeah, 352 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:15.519 I like both ways. 353 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.480 Sometimes expository is topical as well. 354 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:22.480 Well. So here's my argument with this one. Jesus never 355 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:26.200 ever preached an entire passage. So there's many times he 356 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:31.039 quotes Jonah, he quotes Genesis, he quotes Deuteronomy, he quotes Isaiah. 357 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:35.160 But he doesn't quote whole passages, right, so he uses 358 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.640 the part that was necessary in the moment. But what 359 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:42.519 Jesus did do was expose the text. And that's the point. 360 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.880 So if I'm preaching about God's word, I'm not exposing 361 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:48.400 the text. I'm just taking I'm using the text as 362 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:50.599 a proof of what I'm trying to say. But if 363 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:53.680 I'm exposing the text, then that is expository. Whether I'm 364 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.799 preaching a topical message or what some would view as 365 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:00.440 a verse by verse expository message, expository preach is always 366 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:04.480 about exposing the text. And so here Jesus is saying, man, 367 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:09.559 they love to add so much extra to God's words, 368 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.079 and then they want all the credit. Call me father, 369 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.359 call me rabbi. Right, And that's what Jesus is saying 370 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.519 is their intent is thank you God for your words. 371 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:21.640 Now let me expand on that. I'm going to make 372 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.359 a bunch of extra rules. I'm going to do a 373 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:26.160 bunch of extra things, and then I should get all 374 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:28.079 the credit for it. You know, you should be impressed 375 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:28.240 with me. 376 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:30.480 In my brain, in the denomination that I grew up in, 377 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:33.680 there were a lot of people who were full of themselves. 378 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:38.400 And before I moved to Michigan, I would say, had 379 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.599 I not met and worked for the church that I 380 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.119 worked for and the people that granted, had I not 381 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.480 met them, I probably would have been one of those 382 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:50.119 people who thought more highly of myself. 383 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:53.000 It's an amazing thing. 384 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:55.359 Now you're super proud of the fact that I've become 385 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:56.799 so helmbul I'm the most humble. 386 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:58.160 There's nobody more humble than me. 387 00:18:58.279 --> 00:18:59.759 Yeah, thank god I went. 388 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:01.960 I win. I win in humility. 389 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:05.200 No, no, no, it is true because you know how 390 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:09.480 sometimes you're like you're like you're like, yeah, I'm humble, 391 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:11.640 and then somebody around you goes, no, you're not. 392 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:13.279 And I'm not even saying humble. 393 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:15.400 I'm saying like anything right, Like like I'm not angry, 394 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:18.519 Yeah you are angry, right, And you're like you're like, no, 395 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.400 I'm telling you right now. You know, it's all these 396 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.759 things where I'm not legalistic. No, you're way more legalistic 397 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:25.400 than you think you are. 398 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:25.839 No, I'm not. 399 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:28.319 It's like you can't see things in yourself. That's what 400 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:30.799 James tells us, right, we can't see things in ourselves. 401 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:33.440