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Welcome to working towards our purpose, a podcast that offers

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a different perspective on what a job can be. For everyone out

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there that's heard that voice in the back their head, asking for something

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more. It's time to listen to it. I'm your host, Gino,

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and join me as I interview people who have decided to work in their

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own purpose. Together, we will learn, become inspired,

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and hopefully find our own path towards working in our purpose.

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Joining me today is my friend, Derek Oxley, who is a business

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strategist, a coach, an author, and host of the Behind the

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Wheel podcast. Derek is on a mission to amplify the voices of

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others, and he's been someone who's always been inspiring to me when we're

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in conversations together. Derek, welcome to working towards our

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purpose. Thank you for having me, man. I I appreciate it, Gino.

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited about our conversation here today. Why why don't you

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just start with a little bit tell me in your own words, what you do

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and and who you are? I'm an educator. I I, you

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know, I I use podcasting as a way

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to help people express themselves and amplify the voices

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of ordinary people who I believe are doing some extraordinary

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things in their communities. And, I found

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that through through a roundabout way, coming through

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corporate, Starting in 1st in in special education department back

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in Brooklyn, working with my mentor, fresh out of high school, working

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in special ed department, And just watching

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how this leader impacted the lives of people inspired me to wanna get

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into, to education. So I I went down that path.

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Yeah. And so this is, after spending some time

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in, you know, running a dropout prevention program, worked with

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my mentor for 4 years, and then, You you learn, and you're

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watching and observing. And at some point, you wanna get out of the nest and

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go and try to apply some of the lessons that you've learned. And,

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So I did that for, a number of years in East New York,

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Brooklyn. They called me, detective McGruff back then. I was not a

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cop, But I did wear a bow tie and,

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traveled throughout East New York, knocking on doors, trying to get young people to come

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to school. Started off as outreach work. I've worked my way up to a case

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manager and then a, a senior case manager. And I probably would have

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stayed In that position for a while, if my

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director didn't say I had a well fit mentality. It's funny how

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Words can can inspire you or can piss you off. And in this setting,

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it pissed me off. Got I was on the 5th floor. I ran down the

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stairs. Mind you, there's an elevator, right outside my office.

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And instead of taking the elevator, I ran down a flight of steps to get

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in the car because I had to have this individual say it to me in

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my face. I don't know why. I don't know what I was thinking. Was it

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the confrontation? It just seems so odd that somebody would

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say some that's not a compliment. It's not you know, I I took it as

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a It's like it it was it was a little offensive, a

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little surprising to hear, mainly because, the

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1st year we started, we had a, We work during the summer.

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So, you know, you you you have a a summer program. You work during the

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year, and then the summertime, you have a summer program. You take the kids out

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on trips, and That was cool. I was like, oh, okay. This is almost like

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a full time gig. You know, you come back. You have a a couple of

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weeks before you return to school after the summer and start the school year all

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over again. And one of the things my mentor mentioned to me is that when

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you start these programs, Derek, they, they depend on

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funding. So the 2nd year it started, He waited to the end of

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the year, the school year, and then he said, oh, by the way, we won't

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be having a summer program this year. And so now I'm, like,

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wait a second. You know, my kids are young, and I'm like, I got

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a family. No. You know, you have these mixed emotions going on in

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your head. Like, why didn't you tell me? So we're in a meeting.

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You're having cake and pastries and intimates cakes. Not nothing, you

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know, special. So I'm like, why am I sitting here Wasting

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my time. Now this is what I felt. You could've told me this beforehand. And

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then now so now I gotta figure something out. So you fast forward to

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have the the next year. I I didn't wait till the end. You know, you

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you talk about the power of relationships and developing relationships with the school

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staff. I was able to to, create a program that got us funding

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And got him a job for that summer. So when he said this to me,

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it's like as if I have a wealth of mentality. It's like, you you almost

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have to feel as though you need credit. And I was that was the type

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of person I was. I was petty back then. You know? Like, I I needed

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to remind you, well, I needed to get credit. And

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having approval was was important because it just seemed it

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seemed odd. It seemed like a wrong that needed to be righted. And I

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wanted to just I wanted justification. I wanted to feel, you know,

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validated. And looking for that, you don't you don't There's no validation. There's

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no you know, I didn't I didn't feel better after this conversation. You know? I

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I felt, you know, okay, a little relief or whatever, but I left and I

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realized I had lost respect for them, and I needed to find something else to

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do because I could no longer just come into work and act as

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though I respect this person when when I had lost backfob.

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You know? Mhmm. So, yeah, that's just a a brief

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history. Yeah. No. That that kinda, reminded

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me of the 1st big corporate job that I quit. I was there for, like,

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3 years and same sort of thing. I like, the things that my boss said

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to me just, like, Didn't sit well, and I started resenting him.

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And, I had this whole, like, thing planned. And when I initially quit, I

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was like, I'm gonna stick it to him is gonna be the best feeling ever.

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And, like, it felt good for, like, a second. But then I saw that, like,

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he didn't care, and I was, like, oh, I can't do this for him. I

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have to do it for me. Like, you have to get your own validation. You

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know what I mean? Like, it's not gonna if even if he got upset and,

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like, was sad about it, like, what's that gonna do for me? Right?

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Yeah. So that's kinda funny. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It was a good

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learning experience. But yeah. So, like, when you were coming out of,

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like, high school and, like, I guess as a kid, like, what did you wanna

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be? Did you have any dreams of, like, doing this or that as a kid?

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exploring, dabbling with different things, I picked up

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sewing As an experiment, you know, it was it was something

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I was interested in. The and my mother used to make my clothes. Right? She

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made these I remember she made these corduroy pants, And Corduroy has

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a grain in in the fabric, and I was curious as to why

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these pants look different. The color was different because

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The grain was going a different direction. I remember rubbing my hands on

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my lap, and 1 grain was it felt smooth one way, and then it felt

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a little rough. And I was, mommy, like, these pants, something wrong with the past.

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She was like, no. It's the same fabric. I'm like, no. There's something I

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can feel the difference in the fabric. So that curiosity

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Started me down this path when I took sewing, when I was in high school.

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And then there's this feeling of, you know, you're a dude, middle of the

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crack epidemic, sewing. That's really not I I I was I

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wasn't secure enough, but I I did it. I was sewing. And I went

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to I remember going to the, Going to the cleaners to figure

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out, like, what they were charging. At at one point, straight legs

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before straight legs became, like like, fashionable now, you can't even find a pair flail

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legs unless you go to the thrift shop or whatever. But flail legs were the

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thing. And then as straight legs were coming out,

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weren't making them straight legs. You'd have to go and get them tapered. And so

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they would bring their pants to a cleaners, and I practice making a

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straight line, You know, tapering people's plans. I was I

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was the go to person in the neighborhood. Everybody would bring their pants to me,

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and I would taper them. So I then I realized, oh, The sewing thing is

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not too bad. You know? It I thought it was gonna be,

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you know, you know, you people look at you funny because it's sewing. It's not

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A traditional male role or so I thought. And I ended up going

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to FIT, major in patent making.

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in high school. So there was a program in high school that you would spend

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some time As a high school student at FIT, and so when

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I graduated from high school, I, you know, I started going to, Brooklyn College first,

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and then I transferred to FIT. And I was, you know, majoring in

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pattern making, and that skill came in handy when I left,

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Colony South Brooklyn houses And, you know, started sewing. You

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know? Mhmm. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So I I definitely have noticed that just,

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you know, knowing you for however long we've known each other,

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That curiosity seems to be like a word that, maybe is important to you.

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It seems like you you follow that curiosity a lot. And that's kind of been,

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like, my word of the years to to follow more so, like, the things that

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I'm interested in. I was gonna ask you this a little later, but it kinda

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comes up now. You do so many different things, it seems, and there's so

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many different interests that you have. How do you decide, like, what to

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focus on or, like, what to work on? Do you use curiosity

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as kinda the the thing to follow, or do you have, like, some sort of

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more regimented schedule as far as, like, the content that you create and that sort

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of thing. Like, how does that work? The the as far as, like, the

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content, I'm not regimented. You know? Like, I have a I realized when I have

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a routine, especially when I'm training for a marathon,

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so there's a set schedule, you know, on this day. You know, I have the

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schedule lined up for 16 or 18 weeks, and you know what's going on each

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day and you kinda fill in the blanks around whatever

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my life, like, work life or whatever was going on. I make sure I gotta

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get running on this day, speed, work, track

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work, long run, and you have sort of like a routine. That that was sort

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of like the the the structure. And I know when I they're off

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from that, then, yeah, I can pick up when I okay. I'm I might be

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feeling a little antsy or whatever. But as far as the content and how

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I go about creating it or what I find how I balance

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out the the interest the varied interest is I don't

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follow trends necessarily because that kind of goes and comes. You

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know? It's things that I'm interested in or something that I think someone

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might find interesting. It may not necessarily be,

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you know, Gino, I thought you were interesting. You know? Oh, okay. This

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guy's having a conversation with somebody else's doing

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producing a podcast, producing a show, or talking about podcasting. That's

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I'm I'm interested in that. Well, how did you get started? You know? So

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hearing that story, I would follow down that that

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that path or it's it's simple as a lawn

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sign. I saw a lawn sign that said,

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StoryLab. I was like, what is the StoryLab? Like, what it it just see

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it it the signs, it sounds intriguing. I had a big pencil on there.

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So I've I would pick up the phone. I would call. What is the story

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lab? And come to find out, it's a shared coworking space

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specifically For writers. Wow. And so now I'm like, oh, I gotta I gotta come

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and check this out. And going and, so it's it's part

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of his curiosity, intuition, And following it because it

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I've I've what I've learned is it it leads to other things. And going and

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finding out about the story lab Is, I met the the

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founder, Carol. And as we're having this conversation, they were in

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Westport. Now they relocated to Fairfield County. At

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the time, they were in Westport, 4th floor. I walked up the stairs.

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It's sort of like this, like, low key abandoned

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not abandoned, but not a very active building. And so I

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get to the top floor. A short white woman opens up

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the door, And she doesn't look surprised. Right?

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to to being around People that that don't necessarily look

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like me in different settings, but I don't think the same is

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is can be said of people who are, like, I'm

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I'm seeing this person in Westport, this black man, and

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he's some people seem, you know, Shocked

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or surprised. You can tell they have limited interaction with different people. They

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haven't broadened the horizons. And so she there was none of that. So

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that she was in there by herself, which I don't know if I would

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let me in my space by myself. And I'm

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not a threatening person, but I could see having

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pause. Initially, he opened up the door and there's this guy here, and it's like

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but she was in shock. She wasn't surprised. We had a beautiful conversation. And

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afterwards, she said, Do you know Lorraine? I was like, no. She

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she runs the Cardinal Sheehan Center. I think she would be a good person for

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you to meet. Her and Lorraine were friends. I'm like, okay.

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Sure. And Lorraine runs the, the Cardinal

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Sheehan Center here in Bridgeport. And it's through following

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the curiosity What is the StoryLab

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about? What is that? And making the phone

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call, taking, you know, a trip down to Westport

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To you know, get going through a tour of this shared

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co working space for writers. And

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being genuinely interested, I'm not I wasn't expecting anything because I didn't

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know who Carole was. I didn't know who Lorraine was at the time. I drive

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by the Cardinal Sheehan Center. I just thought it was sports. I'd never been inside.

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And as a result of that phone call, I now teach podcasting here

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at at the Cardinal Sharing Center. And so it's

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the that that's part of what How I decide, like, what I'm gonna lose

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intuition. Mhmm. Some things and it's not always looking. It's it's I I

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try to do things and not expecting anything in return. This way, I don't get

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disappointed. Yeah. Wow. That that's awesome story, and thanks for sharing that.

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See, every time I have a conversation with you, this always happens. You always

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like, the the words that you use are, like, words that are

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very relevant for me right now. Like, no expectations, like, intuition. It's

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been something that's over the past couple weeks have been, like, very

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important to me. Just kinda like letting things happen, and then, like,

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seeing simple signs that, like, reassure you, like, yeah. That

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that was a good decision, or that was the right decision, or this is the

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path to keep following. So I myself am am trying to, like, lean more into

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that and, like, just go with, like, the feeling that, you you know, like, you

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you said intuition is something that I'm not normally used to or,

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like, trying to follow. I've I've always been, like, a very head person

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and, like, thinking about stuff logically. But Mhmm. Yeah. Just like you said, like, if

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you weren't curious about You you know, you you didn't go into it thinking you

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were gonna get some sort of job, but, like, it just happened. So that yeah.

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It's a that's like a perfect story to to, put put all those words

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together for me. So I I know that, at

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one point, we talked about you having, like, a a corporate job that

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you didn't like. I guess I'm I'm more interested now in, like,

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how you transitioned into, like, what you do now. And, like, you said

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that teaching has always kinda been something that got you excited. What

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was your transition like from doing what you did 10

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years ago to doing what you do now, and how is it ever evolving?

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It it it it's continuing that's a that's a great question. It's continuing

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to evolve. Right? So While I was going through

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before I made the the jump from working in the classroom,

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I started sewing. Right? And and so that fashion, I felt knotted in

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a box. I was reaching for, for for

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a tie. Right? I felt knotted in a

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box. And I remember reading this book, Acres of

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Diamonds. And and it's it's a story about this farmer

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who He's he's he's going off in search of

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diamonds. He never did find the diamonds. He ends up committing

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suicide. Somebody on his land Comes in and

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realizes that in his backyard is like the greatest diamond

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mine ever right there in his backyard. So I remember putting the book down and

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went and So how could I apply this book to my life? And so

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I looked around, and you're able to then tap back into your

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your skills, talents, and abilities that you have. And how could I could I

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take a straight tie and turn it into a bow tie? So you talk about

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that curiosity. So the curiosity and and wondering,

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Let me reverse engineer. Take this straight tie apart

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and turn it into a bow tie. During the during the years of

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me traveling back and forth from Brentwood to East New York,

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Brooklyn. I would pop management tapes

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in, the CDs in of leadership marketing, but

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it was it was just an, For me, it was personal

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development and trying to figure out, well, there's gotta be

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an incentive for a kid. It's gotta be something that they're interested in. And

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so how do you how do you there's a connection, I

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believe, between music and and lyrics and jingles.

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Right. Brandon jingles, you know, something Marlboro tastes good like

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a cigarette should or Virginia Slims. These jingles, you remember, and

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they stick in your head. And so how there's gotta be a connection.

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Like, why is that why do we remember that phrase? So what is this

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connection between music? You can hear A couple

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of bars of a song, and then and it takes you back to where you

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were at that time or there's there's something about a scent, and it reminds you

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of a person. I was just interested in those kinds of things. Right?

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And so I would listen to these tapes, and so now you're consuming

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all this information over a period of time. And so it gave me the

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confidence, 1, to say, okay. Well, I don't know what's gonna happen, but I know

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I can't do that. And, There's this thing

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about alignment and making sure that you what you're saying and what you do

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and what you believe is, one and the same.

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And when when it's when it's not connected, you'll have

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this internal discomfort. Right? You feel uneasy. I'm at this job.

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I really don't feel like being here. And it's not that I'm you're a

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disgruntled employee, but, you know, your heart is not in it. And

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you believe one thing deeply here. You're doing

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something that that's, like, you don't believe in. It's like working

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you know, selling cigarettes, and you believe you know that cigarettes are bad for people,

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but You you believe that they're bad for people, but you're still selling them. At

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some point, you gotta make a decision that, okay, I can't.

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This is not I can't be a part of this. I'm a I'm a part

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of the problem. And you wonder, like, why do I feel this ease? You

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know? And there was this point where I'm feeling as though I'm spending

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time away from my family, but meanwhile, I was saying my family was

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important. So there's this disconnect. And when I made the decision, and I didn't make

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this decision, like, if you would've never said that, I probably would've continued

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working there. But it forced me to stop And

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then rely like, figure out, like, what am I gonna do? And it

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led from sewing. It gave me some time with my kids

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during the daytime. You're work working with your hands. You're

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creating something. It it causes you to, like, tap into a different part of your

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brain. You're create you're taking something that

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that was once something. It was a tie, and now

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I'm making it a different kind of tie or I'm I'm adding that. It it

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just causes you to to think differently. And then while you're while

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you're sewing or you're washing dishes or something, You get

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a chance to to relax. It's therapeutic. You know? So while

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I'm doing that, I'm like, I walk into a Kinko's

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to, To get some thank you cards, because I figured it would be a nice

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touch. You know, I I mail out the bow tie to to someone and put

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a thank you card inside of it. You know, you're picking up these tips from,

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you know, something I read, you know, just like the chocolate on on

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the pillow. And so as I'm in this Kinko's, I'm having

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this conversation with the guy behind the counter, Bob Miller, and he starts telling

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me about Kinko's. Kinko's was a startup at the time. I didn't know it was

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a startup. I was from a different world. So now I'm in there, And

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he's telling me about the founder, and the guy had kinky hair and

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started in California. And he said you should send a sample of your

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ties to this hockey player. And I'm a black guy from Brooklyn. I don't

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play hockey. And so just the thought of him

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saying he thought enough of me to say, yo, you send this guy a sample

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of your ties. I thought that was a nice gesture. I thought that was cool.

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So I'm I'm listening to this story, and he's telling me about Kinko's. And I

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said, you know what? Let let me find out about you know, we're hiring. I'm

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like, really? And so I'm thinking, okay. I I I would make these

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ties during the day, And I could do this overnight job, and it

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would help balance out and make some of the difference. You know? So we it

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was all cool until we tell them how much it was how much they were

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paying. Listen. We could do $8

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and, 50¢ night differential. And he's going through this, like, this

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agonizing thing just like, you know, $8.50.

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My I'm like, 8.50. This was a huge pay cut. Right? But

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I was like, okay. Sure. I had I had gotten to a point where

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I had stopped worried about what people thought, And this

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was in alignment with where what I what I felt, it would

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be close. It was like a town over. So I saved some

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commute. I'm I'm starting to factor in, okay. Alright.

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How much time was I spending on the road? 2 hours They're 2

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hours back. That's 4 hours, the wear and tear on the car, and you

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start doing all these calculations to justify, like, this decision. And I

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was like, okay. I'm doing it. And people will I mean, my my in laws

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were like, what what is the kinkles? Like, what do you do? Why don't

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you you know, just the guessing. And I had I was so,

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Like, in my mind, this is what I'm doing. I'm not worrying about

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anybody else. I'm I'm just gonna go ahead. This is what I feel like I

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need to do because if I'm doing that, The commute

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2 hours they are 2 hours back, and I'm not

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spending any time at home. It's just like, I'm not doing it. 3

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months later, I was they they had a trainer's position

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posted, and I was and I applied for the job and had gotten the job.

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And then 18 months later, there was another position posted for manager and

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training position, and so I applied to

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that. And as I applied to that role, they

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started shrinking the trainer's roles. So it wasn't like I

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Saw the writing on the wall. It was just following intuition, and now I'm

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in the manager and training program. And I helped open up a bunch of branches

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in Long Island, Melville, Hicksville, Greenville,

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New Hyde Park, turnaround a a a struggling branch.

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And, So that that was the transition.

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But what I what I realized is as you're going through, like, these

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changes and you're making these decisions, you know, Stephen Covey talks

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about climbing the ladder of success, and you get to the top,

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and you realize that the ladder was leaning against the wrong

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building. Right? And it was like, oh, man. In reading that, I was

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like, ah. I had gotten to to the top. It was like the number

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1 branch in the market and the most improved branch.

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But because I was so focused on

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just proving my my my district manager wrong at the time, I remember him saying,

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you know, I wouldn't have promoted you. And unlike with all due respect, it wasn't

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wasn't even your decision to make. You weren't here. Now you're new in this district,

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and so it's that that extra Like, someone not believing

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in you and just saying, I don't you can't do that. And now you're like,

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I'm a I'm a show you. You know, that that that

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becomes like cheap fuel. It'll get you started, but if that's what

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you're if that's your your only motivation for doing it,

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Then at some point, you're gonna burn out, and it's not gonna it's not gonna

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be lasting. You're not gonna have lasting success. So I got to the

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top, and then it was like I had alienated everyone else That was around

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me. Right? So my it it you know, married and and

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just, like, thinking, you don't believe in me, So I'm not gonna try

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to convince you any longer, and and now it it it

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starts to create a wedge. Right. So it met

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someone telling you about something in in a sense in infancy stages and

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you don't see it. They don't see it, but you see it clear.

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And then it becomes why how can you not see this? Like,

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what is it? It's not your job to try to

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convince someone That what you're doing, what

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you feel led to do is the thing that you should be doing. It's not

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it's not that's not like part of the gig. Like, when the

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assignment is was given to you, when the vision was shown to you, it

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wasn't it wasn't like so you're going to have to convince this

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person That this is the right no. You don't. Don't don't

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even dispense any energy on that. It it's just it's not for you.

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It's not for them. It's for you. And you you know, you

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can be supportive, but you can there was just

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this buildup of resentment, You know, that can occur if you're

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not careful, as you're going through this process of this

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change, and it's a change. You're making a transition from

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Social work to, retail

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management, leadership, training and development. It's like 2 different

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worlds. And now you you're expecting someone to to

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see, like, what you see and feel what you've and

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and it's not is it realistic? I don't

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know. I I I'm you have different

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people, and I'm a Libra. Right.

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So for me, when I think of the sign, the Libra, it's like a

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it's like it reminds me of a bell curve. Right. So you see on on

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the on the fur the latter end of the, the bell curve over

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here is, like, you have innovative people. They cute you know, they

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just create stuff. They see things before it happens.

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The large majority of people in the middle. Right?

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So now I have to become sort of, like, mainstream, then they're like, oh,

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everybody's got a podcast now. But but it initially started out, it was you

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know, you had a few geeks who were they just they they

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they're creating this thing. They're doing this thing. They thought it was cool, and

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the RSS, and it that was the feed, and they would tell these stories, this

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American life, and and those that was you had a very

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it was a very controlled market. Right? And when I heard about

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it, it was o seven. And I remember bringing the idea

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to a district manager. I was at Kinko's. They would send out CDs, these

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training CDs. I'm like, why don't we just do a podcast? He's

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like, a podcast? Nah. I mean, I don't do that. They have a podcast

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now. But Of course. But sometimes you can be you can be

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ahead of the curve, and sometimes you you can get You can get discouraged,

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and that's why I think it it's important to find your tribe.

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Find people who who are passionate about who who have

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similar interests Mhmm. That you have

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because there there there'll be those like, there'll be naysayers. If you're not careful,

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you'll wind up extinguishing your your

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dream. They will wind up killing your dream in its infancy

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stages if you're not careful. And when you get the initial

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idea, you you have to protect it

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because people will will will We'll tell you what?

437
00:26:55,595 --> 00:26:59,115
And maybe it's because they're trying to protect you or they see the

438
00:26:59,115 --> 00:27:02,809
the whole idea of you doing something. How has it

439
00:27:02,809 --> 00:27:06,490
been for you? You you you're starting this this show. What was

440
00:27:06,490 --> 00:27:09,955
it like for you? What are people what are people saying to you about

441
00:27:10,195 --> 00:27:13,955
you you left your job to start this this thing.

442
00:27:13,955 --> 00:27:17,495
I was I was gonna comment on that because that's I I you said something,

443
00:27:19,019 --> 00:27:22,480
previously, that, like, you stopped worrying about what other people were thinking. And I

444
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:26,059
think that's something that I've kind of learned. Like, I I would always do it

445
00:27:26,059 --> 00:27:29,674
kinda quiet. Like, I would just start and, you know, start with a

446
00:27:29,674 --> 00:27:33,195
couple people and then start kinda telling people. And then once you do something and

447
00:27:33,195 --> 00:27:36,140
then people see it, they're like, oh, that's really cool. But if you told if

448
00:27:36,140 --> 00:27:39,820
you tell them too early, sometimes it could be, like you said, you

449
00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:43,580
didn't put out your own fire. I I I learned quickly, I guess, that,

450
00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:47,115
like, just don't tell like, when you meet the person that

451
00:27:47,115 --> 00:27:50,154
you're supposed to tell, you'll feel it, and then you'll automatic you'll just tell them.

452
00:27:50,154 --> 00:27:52,900
You know what I mean? Like Yeah. Some of our first conversations, we just, like,

453
00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:56,580
talked about these awesome crazy ideas that we had and, like, that you just felt

454
00:27:56,820 --> 00:28:00,180
like, I knew that you were receptive of that. And most

455
00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:03,924
people I, me, or most pea and it's hard sometimes too because, like, you have

456
00:28:03,924 --> 00:28:07,544
friends that you've had for a long time, but you know that maybe they won't

457
00:28:07,765 --> 00:28:10,520
understand it in the same way that you will. And I kinda just try to

458
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,360
keep things separate and, like, know who I'm supposed

459
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:17,895
to talk to about certain things and who I'm not. Again, an Intuit kind of

460
00:28:17,895 --> 00:28:21,575
a feeling thing, intuition maybe. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. I I

461
00:28:21,575 --> 00:28:25,220
definitely, I definitely feel what you're saying. So we

462
00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:28,820
met at a a networking event. And for me, networking and community

463
00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:31,480
and people just like we're talking about have been,

464
00:28:32,815 --> 00:28:36,575
like, exponential in in my own personal growth or business growth or whatever you wanna

465
00:28:36,575 --> 00:28:40,299
call it. Have have you also had a similar experience

466
00:28:40,299 --> 00:28:43,900
with, like, community and and people. And, like, how how does that affect your

467
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:47,659
own, path and your own visions of of how how you wanna

468
00:28:47,659 --> 00:28:51,495
do things? You meet different people. And when I

469
00:28:51,495 --> 00:28:55,175
started when I came to Connecticut, it was

470
00:28:55,415 --> 00:28:58,650
you know, after coming through, I go you know, you going through the divorce,

471
00:28:58,890 --> 00:29:02,410
you know, sort of a dark period in my life. I

472
00:29:02,410 --> 00:29:06,170
wasn't running. I was wasn't doing wasn't doing

473
00:29:06,170 --> 00:29:09,895
anything physical, so it was just work. And I had burnt myself out.

474
00:29:09,895 --> 00:29:13,575
You know? You can hold on to past

475
00:29:13,575 --> 00:29:17,309
hurt. You can hold on you have

476
00:29:17,309 --> 00:29:20,370
a misunderstanding of not

477
00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:24,595
caring about what people think. If you look up the word like

478
00:29:24,595 --> 00:29:28,435
apathetic, and you're almost just hearing it, you you even not

479
00:29:28,675 --> 00:29:32,350
before even know knowing what the word it means, it just Gives you sort of

480
00:29:32,350 --> 00:29:35,870
like a negative connotation. You know, apathetic. You know, people are

481
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:39,470
apathetic. People who don't care about what other people, you know,

482
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:43,005
other people's feelings, They they're considered apathetic. And so

483
00:29:43,005 --> 00:29:45,264
it's almost like this negative connotation

484
00:29:46,684 --> 00:29:49,264
about not caring about the feelings of other people.

485
00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:54,410
And there was a study said about, people stop

486
00:29:54,410 --> 00:29:58,250
worrying about what people think about they they studied, like, 200 people or 2,000 people,

487
00:29:58,250 --> 00:30:02,054
I think it was, in London. And they said people stop caring

488
00:30:02,054 --> 00:30:05,870
about what people think about 46 when they get about 46 years old. I'm like,

489
00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:09,630
how much time has it lapsed and you you've gotten to appointment. Now

490
00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:13,150
you're, like, 46, and now you're just starting to

491
00:30:13,309 --> 00:30:16,505
you gotta think you have to do that much earlier. And it doesn't mean, like,

492
00:30:16,505 --> 00:30:20,345
yeah, I don't care if running rough shot over people's feelings. You have

493
00:30:20,345 --> 00:30:23,880
to be selfish enough to To realize,

494
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,720
like, if you're on a plane and this you know, you

495
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,414
have to put your oxygen mask on first. And that's what they tell you.

496
00:30:31,414 --> 00:30:34,955
Right? So why do we have you have to wait until a crisis to

497
00:30:35,174 --> 00:30:38,700
realize you've gotta take care of yourself first because you can't.

498
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:42,700
We can't help anybody without our body. And if you're if

499
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:46,220
I'm not fully functioning, if I'm not

500
00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:49,925
a full human being. This whole thing of,

501
00:30:49,925 --> 00:30:53,365
oh, she completes me or he completes me.

502
00:30:53,845 --> 00:30:57,670
I think you're a complete individual already.

503
00:30:57,670 --> 00:31:00,970
They might compliment you, but having this whole idea

504
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:05,030
of, you know, you you're you're responsible for someone else's happiness

505
00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:08,445
and And you're really thinking about people can use that

506
00:31:08,445 --> 00:31:11,965
to manipulate you to get what they want. And when you're

507
00:31:11,965 --> 00:31:15,490
no longer willing to to say, I'm gonna do what you wanna

508
00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:19,330
do because you're gonna be happy. The no. I'm

509
00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:22,985
not responsible for For your happiness. You're not

510
00:31:22,985 --> 00:31:26,745
responsible for my happiness. I have a I have a life. You have a

511
00:31:26,745 --> 00:31:30,500
life, and we're responsible To live out our lives and our purpose while

512
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:34,180
we're here. You gotta find you gotta figure that out. And if you're

513
00:31:34,180 --> 00:31:38,005
spending time, like, trying to please everyone else, you'll never

514
00:31:38,485 --> 00:31:42,085
Figure out what you wanna do. I you can't wait till you're 46 just to

515
00:31:42,085 --> 00:31:45,525
try to start figuring out. I mean, if you do, well, fine. But if

516
00:31:45,525 --> 00:31:49,280
you You're 46 now. I'm no knocking nobody's 46.

517
00:31:49,419 --> 00:31:53,100
I'm waiting that long, I think, would would do more harm

518
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:56,914
than than good. You know? And so just just being

519
00:31:56,914 --> 00:32:00,595
able to just figure out, like, yo, it was it was not

520
00:32:00,595 --> 00:32:04,230
a it was not a good scene. So community When I started

521
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:07,370
running, I found the running community. Right? I found,

522
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:11,434
I found something that, Allowed

523
00:32:11,434 --> 00:32:15,195
me to to get into a rhythm, a routine, some

524
00:32:15,195 --> 00:32:18,955
balance. You need an outlet. You need an outlet, a

525
00:32:18,955 --> 00:32:22,330
hobby, something That is going to take your mind

526
00:32:22,330 --> 00:32:26,010
off of the pressures from work, something to think about. You're going out

527
00:32:26,010 --> 00:32:29,785
you're going out on a trail and Just the

528
00:32:30,485 --> 00:32:33,945
breathing. Getting, you know, getting in tune with who you are.

529
00:32:34,005 --> 00:32:36,985
Just movement. There's just something about movement.

530
00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:41,360
Just to just to sit, a sedentary lifestyle, just

531
00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:45,500
sitting down all day. Your hips get tight. You know, your hip

532
00:32:45,795 --> 00:32:49,315
You don't feel you're so tired that you all you wanna do is is

533
00:32:49,315 --> 00:32:52,215
sit. You know, your your your must your glutes

534
00:32:53,289 --> 00:32:56,809
are not activated any longer, you know, your posture. It

535
00:32:56,809 --> 00:33:00,570
just impacts so much of us. And by running I found this running

536
00:33:00,570 --> 00:33:04,385
community And start tapping in to to

537
00:33:04,385 --> 00:33:08,190
my creative, like, creativity. Running and

538
00:33:08,590 --> 00:33:12,429
And writing down my thoughts and trying to figure out I think, you know, you

539
00:33:12,429 --> 00:33:16,045
had different, like, groups. And Amazon was like, you know, why don't we

540
00:33:16,445 --> 00:33:19,885
Why can't we all come together? You know, I'm I'm that's that's me not saying

541
00:33:19,885 --> 00:33:23,660
Kumbaya, but there's just something about you got a group over here,

542
00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:28,300
And everybody's got their own little group and and but we're all doing

543
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:31,455
this thing together, and some people like, I don't, you know, I don't really rock

544
00:33:31,695 --> 00:33:35,215
with those people, and I don't really rock with those. You know, you have

545
00:33:35,215 --> 00:33:38,920
ultra marathoners, you know, these guys who are doing 100 miles, then

546
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,680
You have people who were doing, you know, maybe just

547
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,445
a marathon 26.2 miles, and you have some people who are doing 50

548
00:33:46,605 --> 00:33:50,365
allies, and you have people who are trail runners. So then even within the running

549
00:33:50,365 --> 00:33:54,125
community, you got these little subgroups, and then you have people who

550
00:33:54,125 --> 00:33:57,750
are more fast. Right? And then you have people who

551
00:33:57,750 --> 00:34:01,270
were bigger. So you have you know, I'm like, well,

552
00:34:01,270 --> 00:34:04,745
don't discount this person because they're not like you.

553
00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:08,585
I'm an elite runner. You know? I don't I don't run with music, but I

554
00:34:08,585 --> 00:34:12,190
run with I like music. I'm sorry. I'm gonna run with music. It it helps

555
00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:15,469
me get out of my head. I'm thinking about the music. But you have all

556
00:34:15,469 --> 00:34:17,569
these things, and just to be able to understand,

557
00:34:20,565 --> 00:34:24,405
differences and appreciate everyone else's difference. And when I when I

558
00:34:24,405 --> 00:34:28,000
think about marketing and you think about branding, when you You try

559
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,520
to appeal to everyone, you end up not appealing

560
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,014
to anyone. So finding community was cool. At

561
00:34:35,174 --> 00:34:38,775
At first, within the running community, I met some great people, interview tons

562
00:34:38,775 --> 00:34:42,234
of people, from all over the world, some interesting

563
00:34:42,614 --> 00:34:46,300
stories, but I'm not a, I'm not an elitist.

564
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,600
Right? So I I'm not gonna owe just I just I just deal with this

565
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,435
group. You know? I don't I don't particularly. I like I don't I don't you

566
00:34:53,435 --> 00:34:56,395
know, I'm an ultra marathon. I don't really talk to people who do 5 k's.

567
00:34:56,395 --> 00:35:00,075
Well, you know, they're runners. Okay. You do a 100

568
00:35:00,075 --> 00:35:03,380
miles. That's your That's your jam. That's what you enjoy doing.

569
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,680
Somebody's just starting out, and they're going from the couch to a 5 k,

570
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,515
and that's a huge accomplishment for them. I'm I'm just

571
00:35:11,515 --> 00:35:14,955
glad you out there running. Right? And

572
00:35:14,955 --> 00:35:18,199
so finding community and understanding that That yeah. That

573
00:35:18,319 --> 00:35:21,680
that's powerful. And even in in networking, I don't I don't really

574
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,520
like the the yeah. I'm I'm in awe I I don't

575
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,105
I'm allergic to BS. So I I I break out in

576
00:35:29,105 --> 00:35:32,865
hives around BS. So it just so when I sense it,

577
00:35:32,865 --> 00:35:36,385
I just like, okay. This is not for me, and let me let me, let

578
00:35:36,385 --> 00:35:40,170
me move on. I don't yeah. Mhmm. That's that's the type

579
00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:43,930
of person I am. I don't wanna go and just with you smiling

580
00:35:43,930 --> 00:35:47,575
and what can I get from you? And and that's, For some people, that's what

581
00:35:47,575 --> 00:35:51,015
it is. Like, what could I get from you? Mhmm. You know? And if and

582
00:35:51,015 --> 00:35:54,590
if you you become a pawn or they see you as

583
00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:58,910
A key to getting them where they want to go, and it's not

584
00:35:58,910 --> 00:36:02,645
a mutual exchange. It's it's I'm just more

585
00:36:02,645 --> 00:36:06,005
interest like, what I'm curious about you as a person before we

586
00:36:06,005 --> 00:36:09,765
can even talk about business whether or not I'm interested in doing any if I

587
00:36:09,765 --> 00:36:13,160
don't even like you, You don't like me. We're never gonna do business. It's not

588
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,760
gonna happen because you don't like me. Well, I don't like you. People

589
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,235
do business with people who they like, But I I can't

590
00:36:20,455 --> 00:36:24,215
be I can't fake it because that's that's a lot

591
00:36:24,215 --> 00:36:28,055
of acting. It's tiring. That's a lot of acting. Right? So,

592
00:36:28,055 --> 00:36:31,800
I mean, If I wanted to be an actor, then

593
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,319
I should I should take acting classes, but I shouldn't pretend

594
00:36:35,319 --> 00:36:39,085
through life. Going through life acting as though, you know, living your

595
00:36:39,085 --> 00:36:42,685
life like this is I hate this job, but you're getting up and putting on

596
00:36:42,685 --> 00:36:46,490
this this chair. Like, why? Why do that? Like, if that's not

597
00:36:46,810 --> 00:36:49,870
why do that? Because because everybody else does.

598
00:36:50,330 --> 00:36:54,085
Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I definitely resonate with that.

599
00:36:54,785 --> 00:36:58,545
After experiencing both sides, I feel like, it took me a while to,

600
00:36:58,545 --> 00:37:02,270
like, force myself out of that. Sometimes it's a you know, it's

601
00:37:02,490 --> 00:37:05,870
downstream, and you're kinda just it's hard to to get out of the current. But,

602
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:10,015
yeah. No. I think I think that's a good kinda depiction

603
00:37:10,015 --> 00:37:13,829
of, like, 2 choices that you have in life, because it is a choice. Yeah.

604
00:37:14,164 --> 00:37:17,819
So yeah. We're kinda coming to the end of our time a little bit. I

605
00:37:17,819 --> 00:37:21,040
got bunch more questions I wanna ask you. But did you get into podcasting

606
00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:25,185
originally as, like, a a runner's podcast? And because I know at one point

607
00:37:25,185 --> 00:37:28,465
you had some sort of running podcast, or was that behind the wheel at the

608
00:37:28,465 --> 00:37:31,285
beginning? How how did that work? Behind the I started it,

609
00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:37,090
This this person who I never met before, Tina,

610
00:37:37,090 --> 00:37:40,530
in Texas, I was doing these these running,

611
00:37:41,090 --> 00:37:44,755
running recaps. So every week, as a way of sort of

612
00:37:44,755 --> 00:37:48,515
uniting the running community, I would take clips.

613
00:37:48,515 --> 00:37:52,049
Every Monday After the weekend, it's called medal

614
00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:55,730
Monday. Right? So you have you get people into, like, a routine.

615
00:37:56,349 --> 00:37:59,135
So after they run a race, you know that they're going to post

616
00:38:00,095 --> 00:38:03,695
The accomplishment. You know, they get the the participation trophy whether it's a

617
00:38:03,695 --> 00:38:07,539
triathlete, whether it's a marathon, an ultra marathon, a half marathon. They get

618
00:38:07,539 --> 00:38:11,220
a medal, they get to participation, and they're proud about it, and they showcase

619
00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:14,740
it. So I figured, okay. I will use that as a medium

620
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:18,465
to kinda bring people together And use music

621
00:38:18,465 --> 00:38:22,305
to, get them to listen to whatever message I would

622
00:38:22,305 --> 00:38:25,525
write. So now I said, okay. Now I gotta figure out how to do a,

623
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:29,670
I'll I'll rap. I wasn't a rapper. So I had to figure out, well,

624
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:32,549
I'm gonna rap, and I'm gonna create a beat. That's why I love Apple, so

625
00:38:32,549 --> 00:38:36,135
I got my garage on my phone, you know, and I got

626
00:38:36,135 --> 00:38:39,815
it on my iPad. And so I would use this to create

627
00:38:39,815 --> 00:38:43,515
a track for the mic, and now I'm using the

628
00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:47,240
microphone to to write a story, and and how can I tell

629
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:51,019
a story about running in 2 to 3 minutes?

630
00:38:51,799 --> 00:38:55,235
And and I I just said I would do it. So it ended up being

631
00:38:55,715 --> 00:38:59,315
over, like, 2 years. And there's this sister, Tina, she kept she said, you should

632
00:38:59,315 --> 00:39:03,030
do a podcast. You should do a podcast, and she kept saying this.

633
00:39:03,350 --> 00:39:06,710
And I was resistant to the idea of doing a podcast because when I thought

634
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:10,550
about it in o seven, this district manager was like, no.

635
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:12,785
You shouldn't do it. So I was like, I don't wanna revisit this thing. What

636
00:39:12,785 --> 00:39:15,345
I'm gonna do? Who am I gonna talk to? So and I just started doing

637
00:39:15,345 --> 00:39:19,125
it. You know what, Gino? You got 2 phones? Do me a favor.

638
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:23,580
I wanna interview you, but you need 2 phones. So

639
00:39:23,580 --> 00:39:27,260
I'm a put I'm a put my phone in my pocket. I have my wire,

640
00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:30,955
and I'm gonna call you. And, I need you

641
00:39:30,955 --> 00:39:34,795
to use the other phone to record yourself. And so then I would take,

642
00:39:34,795 --> 00:39:38,580
like, the picture in picture, This image here and then record you know,

643
00:39:38,580 --> 00:39:42,180
post it inside of my clip, and I'll sync the 2 together. So the beginning

644
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:44,885
of the shows, I would have you say, I need you to do a countdown.

645
00:39:45,365 --> 00:39:49,205
Five four three two one so I could have a marker. And then we would

646
00:39:49,365 --> 00:39:53,049
I would sync the conversation and start record, and That's how I did the

647
00:39:53,049 --> 00:39:56,890
1st couple of episodes, and I just did it because teen so she

648
00:39:56,890 --> 00:40:00,645
would stop telling me to, to do a podcast. And then

649
00:40:00,705 --> 00:40:04,545
as as as I went on, then it was okay. I I thought

650
00:40:04,545 --> 00:40:08,005
your story was interesting. I got a chance to interview different people,

651
00:40:08,839 --> 00:40:11,859
from all over the country, marathoners,

652
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:15,859
doctors, triathletes, project managers,

653
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,415
just people from different walks of life. And it became in handy when I it's

654
00:40:19,495 --> 00:40:22,935
in fact, okay. This is I don't wanna just do running. I'm I

655
00:40:22,935 --> 00:40:25,660
was always fascinated with entrepreneurship and business,

656
00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:30,059
marketing, management, leadership. Those are topics that,

657
00:40:30,539 --> 00:40:33,740
that that that really get me going. I remember saying to,

658
00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:37,935
someone, Like, we don't wanna hear about all that. You know, we just wanna have

659
00:40:37,935 --> 00:40:41,215
fun. And I'm like, I don't I'm not a court jester. Like, I'm not just

660
00:40:41,215 --> 00:40:44,830
here. Entertainment is part of of anything that you're gonna be

661
00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:48,650
doing. But that's not this is what interests me. And so I'm gonna

662
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:52,490
go with what interests me, not just to I'm just here to be, you know,

663
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:56,234
making Skits and just funny stuff just to amuse you.

664
00:40:56,234 --> 00:41:00,075
Like, no. There's stuff that I'm interested in, and

665
00:41:00,075 --> 00:41:03,600
it may not get enough. In my night, I was getting, like, a lot of

666
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,200
views and clicks initially. I found, like, during, like, the

667
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,575
the presidential election or and then during The

668
00:41:10,715 --> 00:41:14,095
riots. I that footage was was,

669
00:41:14,235 --> 00:41:17,915
like, tens of thousands of views. And, like but but

670
00:41:17,915 --> 00:41:21,369
that's not what That's not where my heart is. You know what I

671
00:41:21,369 --> 00:41:25,130
mean? So you have to do I have to do what I feel I've

672
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:28,595
called led to do rather than just doing what what's

673
00:41:28,595 --> 00:41:31,815
gonna get, what's gonna get views. Mhmm.

674
00:41:32,355 --> 00:41:36,089
Yeah. I agree with that. So still a lot of

675
00:41:36,089 --> 00:41:38,970
questions I wanna ask you, but we're kinda coming to the end of our time.

676
00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:42,809
So I want to give you a chance to, kinda talk about the things that

677
00:41:42,809 --> 00:41:45,405
you do and the things that you're offering. I know you got a book out

678
00:41:45,405 --> 00:41:49,165
there that you can download called Mind Your Own Business, A Quest for Hidden

679
00:41:49,165 --> 00:41:52,940
Gems. You also have a podcast launch checklist that people can download.

680
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:57,339
What are some of the things that you're, you know, excited about going forward or

681
00:41:57,339 --> 00:42:01,180
some some things that you could tell people about? The the coaching program for

682
00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:04,714
young people, It's it's more than just teaching them,

683
00:42:04,714 --> 00:42:08,234
you know, about taking them through the history of

684
00:42:08,234 --> 00:42:11,890
podcasting And then getting them to to share their stories,

685
00:42:11,890 --> 00:42:15,250
tell stories. So there's narrative podcast. When I think of a podcast, I think

686
00:42:15,250 --> 00:42:18,825
of, you think think of an iceberg, and the tip I think

687
00:42:18,825 --> 00:42:22,424
we're just scratching the tip of the surface with the

688
00:42:22,424 --> 00:42:26,260
interviews. There's so many different types of, shows that could

689
00:42:26,260 --> 00:42:29,640
be produced, and there's there's nothing

690
00:42:29,779 --> 00:42:33,515
new under the sun. Right? So I'm reaching Because I wanted to

691
00:42:33,915 --> 00:42:37,695
Wrong. So you think of these types of shows. Right? So you

692
00:42:37,915 --> 00:42:41,519
had radio shows. But what's a a radio show? It's

693
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:45,359
it's audio. It's a show, but it's it's audio. And this is what they

694
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:49,039
this is how they used to do, shows. So I I

695
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,735
really believe that There are there are so many different types of

696
00:42:52,735 --> 00:42:56,355
podcasts. When people think of podcasts, they necessarily think of

697
00:42:56,495 --> 00:42:59,950
interviews. 2 people, 2 guys, a a group of people sitting down having

698
00:42:59,950 --> 00:43:03,710
a conversation and some banter, some laughter, and that's

699
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:07,070
a show. But you also have you could have a a radio quiz

700
00:43:07,070 --> 00:43:10,885
show. There's so many different types of shows that you could

701
00:43:10,885 --> 00:43:14,585
do that that you can create. So I think that's it. That's that's

702
00:43:14,805 --> 00:43:18,589
part of of of what I'm I'm interested in doing for young people. And

703
00:43:18,589 --> 00:43:21,970
not just young people, it's it's storytelling and it's

704
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:26,115
storytelling if you're you're selling a product. If it is storytelling, if

705
00:43:26,115 --> 00:43:29,955
you're selling a a a book, you're you're teaching a class or

706
00:43:29,955 --> 00:43:32,994
helping people, how do I how do I present my story? You'd be surprised how

707
00:43:32,994 --> 00:43:36,549
many people are are afraid of speaking in public.

708
00:43:36,609 --> 00:43:40,130
Mhmm. Right? They they they freeze up. You you stick the camera in front of

709
00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:43,125
them, and then it's like, oh, oh, no. I didn't you know, I don't they

710
00:43:43,925 --> 00:43:47,605
Overthinking stuff, they they they change. They don't you listen you

711
00:43:47,605 --> 00:43:51,300
edit podcasts and like, you know, a lot of filler

712
00:43:51,460 --> 00:43:54,760
how do I how do I stop that? How do I deliver a clear

713
00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:59,015
message so that someone can follow my train of thought And get to

714
00:43:59,175 --> 00:44:02,934
oh, wow. I see what you're saying. You know, for a while,

715
00:44:02,934 --> 00:44:06,454
you just were talking to people's heads. You think I tell them

716
00:44:06,454 --> 00:44:10,240
more facts and like that. People don't care about facts. They have

717
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:14,079
a feeling about something. And in their heart, they just you know

718
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:17,785
what? This is why Donald Trump won

719
00:44:17,785 --> 00:44:21,305
the election, because you have a lot of people who who are talking

720
00:44:21,305 --> 00:44:24,960
to people's heads. Right. He was talking to pea he tapped

721
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,640
into people's emotions and their feelings, and they felt as

722
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,395
though, you know, They were being heard and seen. And

723
00:44:32,395 --> 00:44:36,234
so when you do that, you see what the result is. And people still feel,

724
00:44:36,234 --> 00:44:39,790
I'm a tell you more facts about my product, and There's nobody cares about any

725
00:44:39,790 --> 00:44:42,670
of that, man. They don't care about any of this. So how do you get

726
00:44:42,670 --> 00:44:46,430
people to share to to tell their stories in a compelling

727
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:49,775
way To whether it's selling a product or to just tell a

728
00:44:51,035 --> 00:44:54,630
story, to sell the ideas. I wanna get my boss to,

729
00:44:55,029 --> 00:44:58,789
it is something that I've been thinking about, and and I wanna be how do

730
00:44:58,789 --> 00:45:02,215
I sell my idea to my leader? How do I how do I do this?

731
00:45:02,615 --> 00:45:06,295
In a way that that becomes, you know, where they say

732
00:45:06,295 --> 00:45:09,975
yes, or somebody's writing a check because they believe in your vision and

733
00:45:09,975 --> 00:45:13,430
they believe in you. Yeah. And, also just

734
00:45:13,650 --> 00:45:17,330
kinda sums up nicely with something you said earlier about people buying from

735
00:45:17,330 --> 00:45:21,045
people and and you working with people that you like and wanna work with. Like,

736
00:45:21,365 --> 00:45:25,125
people don't buy based off of stats or, you know, specifications.

737
00:45:25,125 --> 00:45:28,964
They buy based off of especially nowadays, like, who the company is and who

738
00:45:28,964 --> 00:45:32,250
you are as a person. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that's a that's a great

739
00:45:32,250 --> 00:45:36,090
point to, to kinda end on. And, thank you so much

740
00:45:36,090 --> 00:45:39,855
for sharing all of your wisdom and your story with us today. Appreciate having

741
00:45:39,855 --> 00:45:43,535
you on here. And, hopefully, maybe we can have you back in some

742
00:45:43,535 --> 00:45:47,260
point and, talk more about all the things that you do. I appreciate

743
00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:51,020
it, man. Thanks for having me, Gino. Thanks for tuning

744
00:45:51,020 --> 00:45:54,540
in and listening to working towards our purpose. If you like

745
00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:58,285
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