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you know what time it is,
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the engine full of grit.
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what is going on everybody welcome to
sunday sunday sunday night crossfit talk
we are two we're about to be three
uh carolyn is just finishing up dinner
being polite doing that off camera
She'll be here soon.
It's another week.
I'm sitting here thinking, like,
is there going to be a week, like,
that we can just take off because
nothing's happening?
No.
And then it's like CrossFit.
It's as bad as the NFL.
Like, it is every week.
Yeah.
Well, the CAC's busy, so that's good.
Yeah.
um patrick clark just finished season two
we were literally just talking about
season two of lioness before we went on
the air sure and i watched the first
episode of season three this week which
was phenomenal i haven't seen any is what
we're talking about so yeah jamie has not
seen it at all
um so yeah crazy stuff it's it's but
it is it is one of those shows
that make you think and so like i
like pairing that with like the hawk which
is no think yeah we finished that did
you finish it i haven't finished it yet
but i'm maybe six episodes in okay
wherever it's when he well i don't want
to ruin anything
Yeah.
Easy watch.
Yeah.
And we started Ted Lasso this week.
That's back.
And then we finished Ride or Die.
If you have not seen that on Prime...
It is so good.
It's Hannah Waddingham from Ted Lasso and
Octavia Spencer and their best friends.
And in the first fifteen minutes,
you learn that Hannah Waddingham is a
trained assassin and she's been hiding it
from her best friend for twenty years.
Yes, I saw the previews for this.
And so it starts off as a very
funny concept, right?
Yeah.
But it turns into a great,
well-written spy.
Okay.
Series by the end.
So highly recommend ride or die.
We like,
I was on the edge of my seat.
Okay.
We binged four episodes last night and
today to finish it off.
So good.
Katie L says Jamie doesn't need to watch
lioness.
She is a lioness.
Well, dang.
Drew says bears going down against the
pack.
Well,
my wife and I were figuring out our
plans.
We have tickets to the first bears Packers
game in Lambeau field because of a great
listener, Eric Mackey.
And we're trying to figure out whether to
fly or drive.
And we're trying to price it all out
and figuring out what is the most
economical and what is like the easiest.
There's no direct flight from Columbus to
Milwaukee.
Really?
Can you believe that?
Not really.
So then we tried Chicago and then rent
a car because it's only like an hour
north.
Yeah.
And we're meeting Eric in Milwaukee and
we're riding up with him to Green Bay.
Okay.
Yeah.
And there's only a couple direct flights
from Columbus to Chicago now,
which baffles me.
It used to be a direct flight all
the time.
Yeah.
Because it's only a six-hour drive,
so it should be just a quick...
I don't want to go to Detroit before
I go to Chicago.
No, I wouldn't either.
Yeah, that's...
I feel like I had three stops on
the way to California.
It was a pain.
If it was three stops,
I'd just cancel my trip.
I guess I could have done that.
I did one stop to California.
That was enough.
But you fly out of a smaller airport,
right?
Grand Rapids?
I usually fly out of Grand Rapids.
I got really lucky flying out of Lansing
and actually did get a
I think a one-stop when I went to,
um, Del Mar, I think,
I think it went Lansing to Detroit and
straight over to,
and it's usually really hard to get
flights out of Lansing.
Yeah.
I was Minnesota to the shirt.
Tessa wants to see the shirt.
I'm so proud of the shirts.
They came out so nice.
Jamie says it's a good fit.
Yeah, perfect fit.
Nice and soft.
If you want yours or thirty dollars,
you just Venmo me.
Vicky had to take the night off because
her husband's leaving town for a while.
So just go to my Instagram.
There's a Venmo thing there.
Thirty two dollars.
Just put your size, name,
address in the comment section and I'll
ship ship them out.
And I just got a couple orders today,
so I'll probably do another shipment
tomorrow or Tuesday.
A definite master show talking about
airports next up.
Which highway did you take?
Yeah.
Masters.
Speaking of masters,
I had my twenty five year high school
reunion yesterday.
OK.
Yeah.
Wow.
That makes me feel old.
Not very many people came at all.
yeah i graduated with like two hundred
fifty people there was like twelve or
thirteen of us there crazy um kdl i
wore my cloud snow shirt to work lunch
to a work lunch the other dude's reaction
no lie was wowed the lap you are
more jacked than i thought i gave the
shirt all the credit hey if you want
to look jack too
You can order a shirt as well.
Larry Young's already wanting another
color.
Oh.
You know how long it took me to
get these in?
And I still have like a bunch of
them.
And thank goodness I did inventory of the
whole thing.
And the ones that are being ordered the
most are the sizes I ordered the most
of.
Perfect.
So we're doing well.
CrossFit keeps making fun of us.
I know.
So I did want to say,
before we get into the CrossFit stuff,
I watched Supergirl on Friday night.
Yeah.
I really enjoyed it.
Really.
I think because the bar was set so
low by the critics and what everybody was
saying about it,
I went with zero expectation.
And I just really enjoyed it as a
fun movie.
it's not going to win any Academy awards
and that's fine.
It just was fun.
Okay.
If you want to see super girl kick
people's ass for an hour and a half,
it's a good movie.
And Jason Momoa as Lobo was fantastic.
I feel like the critics are always wrong.
Uh, I wouldn't say always wrong, but I,
I,
not everything has to be an Academy award
winning movie.
Correct.
Right.
And some of the stuff they like as
Academy award winning.
I'm like, that was weird.
No, thanks.
Yeah.
Jason Momoa basically paid,
played Jason Momoa,
but that's who Lobo is.
So it was like, perfect.
It's like Kevin Costner has ever played
anybody, but Kevin Costner.
Yeah.
Whether it's Bull Durham for Love of the
Game, Dancing with Wolves,
it's the same damn character in every
movie.
CrossFit says it's fine.
Masters of the Universe was better,
but similar ride.
I have that in my queue.
I don't think I've seen that either.
It just came out.
I think it only lasted in theaters a
couple weeks.
Okay.
The issue is that everybody is comparing
the DCU to the MCU.
And for those of you who don't speak
geek,
that is DC Comics versus Marvel Comics.
The Marvel Comics were much better off the
bat with making movies other than the Dark
Knight series with Batman and then the
DCU.
So he is correct.
But this was fun.
I really, really enjoyed it.
Matt Damon also plays himself.
Maybe.
We watched the Ben Affleck,
not Matt Damon,
but we watched The Accountant two weeks
ago.
I like both Accountant movies a lot.
Yeah, they're great.
I'm a huge Ben Affleck fan.
I know that's not cool to be a
Ben Affleck fan,
but Argo was one of the best movies
I've ever seen.
Good Will Hunting is an all-time classic
movie.
Lex wants to know if we've seen The
Odyssey.
I have not.
I do not believe that I have.
It, again, just came out,
so I'm assuming no.
Then no.
That's a Matt Damon, and it's a long,
long movie.
Okay.
Like,
you have to go on an Odyssey to
watch the Odyssey.
Okay.
Is it like The Martian?
It is longer than The Martian.
Okay.
Yeah.
i think it's the same guy who did
oppenheimer and actually who did the dark
knight movies for dc um christopher nolan
yep but but lately he just seems to
be like into these super long epic movies
like oppenheimer was what four hours long
and i think this is like in that
range i haven't seen it yet but i
don't mind a long movie but four hours
is
Probably pushing it.
Yeah.
The other Ben Affleck movie, The Town.
I love The Town.
Lex's Odyssey is three hours long.
That's fine.
Question of the week for Scott.
Whoa.
Wow.
Would you rather watch the Toxic Avenger
anthology or do a hundred burpees for
time?
I'd probably rather do a hundred burpees
for time.
so uh matt damon is always trying to
get home saving private ryan the martian
the bourne movies i love the bourne movies
yeah me too oceans eleven's one of my
favorite movies of all time too with matt
damon but he's not even really the main
character uh
Uh, oh, interstellar too.
Yep.
Um,
the other thing I wanted to say is,
uh, I am teaming up with the Glintons.
Well, the one Glinton and Jeremy Williams,
and we are doing a sports show every
Tuesday night at six PM.
It is not CrossFit.
We are not talking CrossFit.
There's already bets over under how long
it'll take us to talk about CrossFit,
but it is going to be an other
sports show.
Okay.
With Garrett?
With Garrett and Jeremy Williams.
Okay.
And maybe Corey.
All right.
So we'll see.
There we go.
And another shirt.
And looking good.
Looking good.
I think that shirt moves you up Hiller's
list all the way to an A.
I don't know about that.
But I'll take it.
I like it though.
This is a very good color.
I love this blue.
Although mine looks a different blue than
yours.
You think?
I think it's just lighting.
They're all the same color in the box.
Trust me.
Um, so cool.
Uh,
the other thing I wanted to talk about
real quick before we get into the
Christmas stuff is, uh,
my dumb cohost did the impossible mile
this week.
Why?
We've been wanting to do it for like,
I don't know,
like a year at least we've been talking
about it at the gym.
And then I saw they like,
we're doing it at the games and Veronica
and I were going to go,
go try to do it.
And then I was like, nah, we'll just,
cause there's people at the gym who wanted
to do it too.
So I was like,
we'll just program in it,
program it when we get back.
Oh, and it was,
it was poor Jim's seventieth birthday on
Thursday.
And I programmed it for that day so
that people would come and spend the day
with him.
Oh my gosh.
It was rough.
How long did that take?
It took me forty nine minutes,
but it took a lot of people like
seventy five minutes.
jim peeper for people who don't know is
uh one of the members of jamie's gym
and he is a former crossfit games podium
winner in the masters division um and it
was the seventieth birthday which is
really cool now he's seventy plus i know
now he can be in the new category
yeah yeah um but i actually texted jamie
and she said it would did you not
say it was a mistake
I, well, yeah, when we finished it,
I was like, I was like, never again.
Like, that's not,
that's not something I'll ever do again.
And in midway through it, I was like,
we need to change this for the night
class.
Cause like nobody should be doing this.
It was, it needed to be partner.
It needed to be,
which a lot of people,
I had already put it in leveled out
level method.
So a lot of people were already scaling
it.
Like a lot of people did it.
Two hundred meters of the movement.
And then jogged in two hundred meters and
then the two hundred of the next movement.
So they did like half the work.
What I tried to get my husband to
do because he came at six.
I was like,
you should do because I the only thing
that really bothered me was the burpee
broad jump.
And it starts with that.
So you're just you're there for like
twenty five minutes doing burpee broad
jumps.
It just takes forever.
And then you're annoyed with the whole
thing.
So, yeah.
I had told him, I was like,
you should just do a hundred meters of
burpee, brow jump,
a hundred meters of lunging,
a hundred meters of bear crawl, jog,
and do four laps of that.
So it was like broken up,
but he did.
He was like, no,
you guys all did it the right way.
He's just as stubborn as me.
We went to a track.
So even in the evening classes,
they went to the track.
Yep.
The gym was shut that day.
I was like, show up at the track.
Cool.
Yep.
the video i saw was of aaron yes
and he looked miserable and that was the
burpee broad jump so that's at the
beginning already looking miserable i
think i snapped i think i had snapped
you scott like the lunges and the bear
crawl so like a little bit of each
lap yep all of aaron though and all
of all of him looking miserable how far
how far into the burpee broad jump where
you're like i shouldn't have programmed
this for the class
Probably just short of two hundred meters.
I was like, this is a terrible idea.
It just and like the last time we
did like a high rock last summer,
we had done some high rocks style workout.
And I don't know what it is,
but I I can't do burpee broad jumps
and not be crazy.
like the front my tibialis is like wrecked
like i still today am like in pain
walking around the rest of me feels fine
now um or what three days out yesterday
i was still pretty sore like all over
even my shoulders um but the front of
my shins kill i don't know what it
is i don't know i it's probably just
the way i land when i broad jump
i don't even i do not like broad
jumps at all well you would be lifting
your
lifting your feet up probably reaching and
it's just that motion that you're not used
to.
Like if you're doing like a box jump,
you're just a quick but just the amount
of times that you're gonna have to
dorsiflex there.
Yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna get you.
Yeah,
my son did it with us at noon
and he he went out hot like he
was like fifty meters ahead of me on
the burpee broad jump.
He like he can burpee broad jump like
two to two to one to me.
Like his jump is just far.
And I just was I was doing him
quick but short.
And I finally like he sort of like
started to die towards the end of the
burpee broad jump.
I caught him and I just I like
lunges.
So that didn't bother me.
Everyone else is like dying on the lunges.
You know what it sounds like Jamie needs?
Some Playa with Brevo.
I do.
But I always comment on Carol and stuff.
I'm like, I can't even do...
I couldn't even do half of the stuff.
I went filming today,
so I'm all done writing my program.
Now it's about going to film every single
drill.
And
It's going to take me so long to
film every single drill that I have.
You need to send me some of it
and I need to film scaled versions for
you.
No, I am.
Like I did like a hurdle jump,
like a lateral low hurdle jump.
But then I also had cones to the
side just to show that you can also
just use cones if you don't feel like.
But you make it look too easy.
You need the scaled.
I'm working on it though.
You need Jamie to do the Teemu version
of the...
But it's the first week it starts.
It's foundation.
I'm not going to do all of my
crazy things on that.
But there's a good progression.
Jamie, does your gym do Sentinel?
No,
we do not do Sentinel as a gym.
We probably about...
Two, three months ago,
we switched over from Training Think Tank.
I've done a Training Think Tank affiliate
programming for like four years.
The day they came out with it,
we've done that.
And about two or three months ago,
we switched over to HillerFit as a gym.
So that's what we do as a gym.
How do you like that?
I like it.
The gym does not seem to love it.
Like some do.
It's just,
there's like a lot of like some high
rep stuff that they're like,
they feel beat up.
I really need to like emphasize people
like scaling down.
There's just a lot of people who,
cause I level it out.
And if I put the RX plus version
in at all,
I have people thinking they need to do
RX plus and nobody needs to be doing
RX plus.
Um,
it's more in there for me and then
like level down.
But there's too many people who like still
try to do what they would consider their
color.
And I'm like,
you guys all need to just back down
till we get comfortable with this.
everything that i've seen from him when he
would post his his programming like i
think it's very smart and like yeah well
done i don't know what he's done for
like affiliate programming but i i follow
his like affiliate page yeah yeah okay so
that is yeah i like his stuff and
it's it's got some creative things and
it's probably good tessa i i do follow
sentinel yes yes i yes i follow sentinel
it's just
a little, it would be a little much.
I mean, honestly,
I don't know when I compare it to
Hiller fit, maybe it wouldn't,
wouldn't be, but I,
if I scaled all of it,
I follow the compete in Sentinel,
which is just, it's far too long.
I suppose I could swap over to the
classic track and it would maybe fit in
an hour,
but then I'm still doing something
different.
If I'm doing like the whole thing is
like, I'm trying to get,
I'm trying to not double up all the
time on everything I do.
So I'm trying to find something that I
can do class wide weekly and add in
a piece, you know, from Sentinel.
So when I do the Sentinel workouts,
they fit.
If I do the classic,
I don't do the compete.
It easily fits in an hour.
And they rate up like four different
scales for the workout.
It is super easy to use.
I can't say enough good things about how
easy.
I've done a couple other ones.
That's been the easiest one for me to
follow because it gives so many scaling
options.
And they're very clear and precise in how
they describe everything.
I think I just saw that they have
like a
low equipment that they added as well.
I think recently,
I don't know if that matches up to
the classic or if it's something
different.
But I saw that's probably something
different.
Because even the classic has some
equipment that I don't have.
And I have to like sub in things.
A classic from anyone is a tough sell
to members if they've done ABC stuff.
I agree, it's effective stuff,
but members get squirrels.
they sure do man i'm never like i
just try to not even listen to the
feedback anymore because everyone's gonna
have a complaint um and it's just i
don't know it's nice to switch it up
different equipment different movements
like we did for a while there we
did like three weeks of toes to ring
and some people really were excited about
getting a different movement i mean some
like they can't do total bar but they
can do total ring so that was fun
for some people oh
My biggest thing is if you're not
competing,
there should be some elements of fun to
it.
Totally agree.
You're not there to go to the games.
You're there to get fit and it should
be fun.
It should be a thing that you go
do with your friends and you just get
fitter.
And when my gym switched to Comptrain,
I lost all the fun.
That was my biggest complaint with
Comtrain is it was all about competing and
getting to the games and doing all this
dumbbell work.
And it lost the fun aspect of things.
And so that's what I loved about Polaris.
Christy was so good about, yeah,
she trains for the games,
but the class work is fun.
Interval work can be fun even though it's
interval work.
um but yeah i look that's my favorite
programming of all time is christie's and
i miss her dearly um agree there everyone
did com train when it first got big
we all got fit and super bored yeah
Uh,
you didn't like bike buy-ins and three
minutes of overhead squats on repeats.
Not so much.
Um,
so I wanted to talk about the CrossFit
athlete council made recommendations to
CrossFit.
Um,
I put it in our notes what those
recommendations were.
I have them, uh,
their Instagram posts to pull up, uh,
in full detail.
If I can find it again.
I have so many things queued up.
Here we go.
so um the first recommendation and i just
want to get your feedback on this is
and i know the feedback on this because
we have talked about it endlessly over the
last two seasons number one is the opening
quarterfinal should be one continuous
leaderboard making the top five hundred
men and women individuals eligible to
complete compete at semifinals yeah we've
been asking for it right
Yeah, I think that's good.
Like I have,
I've been saying that forever.
Like the open style workouts are a
different style of workouts.
And then you have the quarterfinals,
which is a different style workout.
And I don't think that the open should
get a race.
It makes the open matter.
I like it.
I've always liked that.
Yeah.
I really like that.
It's the one week too.
Like they could have made the leaderboard
continue on,
even if it was like last year's format,
a month and a half later or whatever.
I really liked that.
They moved the open up like two weeks.
So I feel like we're going to basically
end when the Open ended last year,
and we're going to be done with
quarterfinals,
which was our complaint last year, right?
Well,
it gives two more weeks for the semifinals
to use this leaderboard as opposed to
invites and their own qualifiers.
Right, right.
But the thing that I think is frustrating
for me is the number of people who
want the open scrapped,
who think that it's useless.
It's still a valid test for certain
things.
And when you add in the other four
or five workouts and it becomes a part
of the whole,
it even makes a more complete test.
And it lets you open up the quarterfinals
to be even higher skill.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Because you see a lot of people who
are really,
really good at high skill gymnastics and
very, very heavyweights.
But if you ask them to go light
and fast, they're not that good.
And they have a hole.
and when we just count the quarterfinal or
even the semifinal let's say but well for
this purpose the quarterfinal they can
hide their hole very very well and then
just focus on the high skill heavy weights
and like that's not what fitness is it's
not just that you have to also be
able to do the rest so i think
it's it makes sense it's going to give
people you know seven maybe eight scores
that they're we all took the same test
now from there who gets to go to
semi-finals
I think that's way better.
Agreed.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of comments like,
oh,
you're going to have to change the way
the ompens run.
You need to add a lift in the
ompen.
And I mean,
we go through this every year and people
complain about the programming.
The base of the pyramid is metabolic
conditioning.
I feel like people are not aerobically fit
enough.
They just want the heavy lift.
Does this mean videos are on our system?
I know.
I mean, that's another subject completely.
They address that later on.
As far as video review,
one idea would be to opt in to
compete versus, I don't know, participate.
Yeah,
when signing in for the CrossFit Open,
this would still be the same leaderboard,
but only those who are competing would be
eligible for quarterfinals and beyond and
would also require a video link during the
score submission window for both Open and
quarterfinals.
Only videos with high public scrutiny
would be reviewed,
or HQ could request a video from one
workout at the end of quarterfinals for
semifinal qualifiers as a spot check of
sorts,
like past CrossFit Open requirements.
Regardless,
having that as an option over no one
gets their video reviews and it's always
been an honor system.
That's already a step up if we were
to at least have, you know,
the compete versus participate and then
the compete have their videos,
let's say public.
Right.
Like that's already a step that we,
we already don't have.
So I'm good at that.
And I think just by having to put
your video public, it still makes people,
or at least it should make people think
about their movement standards.
Yeah.
It sucks.
I know it sucks.
I mean,
I have to do it every year.
I get that it may deter some people,
but if you truly are competitive and
you're going to click compete,
it means you want to move on and
you have to submit a video for
quarterfinals.
So like, what's the,
what's the issue with videoing three more
workouts?
Most people do anyway,
if you're a competitor.
Exactly.
Right.
You see people's video on Instagram and,
Just, you know, I don't know.
And then I've had people say to me,
well, why not just do a five-week open?
One,
doing multiple workouts in one weekend is
a harder test than doing one workout a
week.
So it's a different style of test.
The other thing is when you get to
the higher level skills,
the equipment becomes more scarce in
affiliates.
GHDs aren't as plentiful.
Ropes aren't as plentiful.
Rings aren't as plentiful.
So...
You need to help out the affiliates by
funneling down the number of people doing
those higher skills.
Because the equipment just is more scarce
at that point.
Not everybody's like CrossFit Polaris that
had a rope in every lane and an
echo bike and a rower in every lane
and all of that stuff, right?
That's very rare.
I like the idea.
I hope they do have to video.
Does your open rank relative the open
field or quarterfinal field count towards
your quarterfinal rank?
In this case, Max,
it is the combination of all workouts from
both is your overall rank.
Right.
Yeah.
Like all seven scores count together as
your test.
It's not like you're open.
Let's say you finished the fifteenth and
all of a sudden you carry that over,
which they've done before.
Yeah.
That's how they used to do the Masters.
That's dumb.
Yeah.
Yeah,
it would count like as their first score
of the next stage.
But no,
this each of them would count equally
altogether.
I'm not sure if when you go to
the quarterfinals, if it's only the seven,
like if you're,
if they have like another type of
leaderboard,
where it's only the people that have taken
all those tests that are kind of ranked,
or if during the open when you were
ranked,
whatever if it's just added on i don't
know if that makes sense or not but
yeah no i agree because yeah if if
you finished two hundredth in a workout
and thirty of those people didn't sign up
you you really would be one seventy on
the in the quarterfinal leaderboard it i i
have a feeling crossfit is not going to
do that work no i i think that's
too much work i think you'll just
Yeah, everything combined.
And these are just recommendations.
We don't know that CrossFit's doing any of
this.
Well, that's true.
Yeah, they haven't approved it.
Yeah, my point is,
I have a feeling CrossFit will say, no,
we can't do that.
And this won't happen.
Because they're just going to be like,
yeah, we're... I mean,
there's probably someone here freaking in
our chat who could do this in a
day.
Well, Patrick doesn't...
Patrick makes a good point.
The one big bugaboo with this, I think,
is reducing the field from two thousand to
five hundred who make it to semifinals,
because that is a lot of money that
CrossFit is giving up.
Because a lot of people signed up to
do the online semifinal that had to pay
that fee.
And now you're reducing that overall fee.
pieced down by fifteen hundred people not
that every one of them signed up but
it's just reducing the pool a great deal
from people who act who did sign up
to see what they could do
That is going to be.
It says to compete live at a semifinals.
You can still probably have a bigger pool
of people that can be for an online
semifinal.
Like I think that if you're in the
top five hundred,
you can get asked for a semifinal,
let's say.
But past that,
maybe it's the online because I just see
live here.
So that's one thing.
I think the bigger issue with that is
the,
because you can look at this past year's
semifinal registrations and the year
before,
and it's a pretty stark difference because
of the number of spots given to that
online semifinal.
And later they talk about they want to
have it be one or two,
and I think that's going to be their
fatal flaw if they want to make money
online.
You have to have more than one or
two spots if you want people to pay
to compete online.
Yeah,
because people will just look at the
workouts and then be like, no,
not for one spot.
Yeah.
And that's the crux of everything.
We are giving up making it a better
and more seamless transition to make the
quick buck.
Yeah.
Instead of trying to make a more
longer-lasting season that makes sense.
um and looking at the future dollars as
opposed to the current dollars but if
semifinals run a two day competition.
Now all of a sudden,
if you want to do two days prior
teams or masters,
that can also add into the pool of
semifinal athletes in person and adding to
the revenue of these semifinal host
competitions.
I think it would add more people there
so that people can still sit there
semifinal athletes.
Because right now like the teams don't
have many options.
So
Seth Jumpship,
who is a big part of writing these
recommendations, is in the chat.
The theory is that you would get more
from increased quarterfinal participation
fees than you would lose from an online
semifinal.
Right.
I mean,
it makes sense to me whether or not
they can convince HQ.
We have loved this idea for two years.
Carolyn brought this up two years ago to
us,
and we have been banging this drum a
long time.
It's getting CrossFit to see that, okay,
you may lose a couple dollars today,
but you're going to make way more in
the future is a really hard sell.
With the past administration,
we don't know what's going to happen with
the new guy.
Barry makes a great point.
Twenty years, eventually,
they'll get it right.
Will they?
They could make it worse in another
twenty.
Yeah, Patrick's got it right here.
Yeah, read that one.
The last time they did last chance
qualifier in twenty twenty five,
they had one spot available for men and
women.
Only seven men and fifteen women did all
the five workouts and less than one
hundred signed up total.
Yeah.
So you're like the people's argument.
I was one of the fifteen.
Right.
I mean, it wasn't very many people.
And you say like five hundred is not
enough to advance semis.
Honestly,
like if those five hundred feel like they
have a shot and there's five spots online,
you're going to get way more signups than
one spot.
i also feel like for the quarterfinals
there's a lot of members that would enjoy
i know it's more expensive to do the
quarterfinals but that they'll get a
better idea of their fitness when they
have all those scores counted and then
they get to see okay i was really
bad at the high skill but i'm really
good here and like i'm this place with
seven events versus just three and then
starting over and then getting you know
kicked out or just not kicked out but
like
really beat up in the quarterfinals
because you were not ready.
I just think it gives members also a
better picture so that their levels are
more appropriate for the Community Cup.
Yeah.
Which was not really talked about that
much.
It kind of just came by fast.
I don't think I heard one thing about
the Community Cup at the games.
And that could have been a great
opportunity to talk about it.
It was on a reel of videos that
showed up on the screen,
but I didn't hear anybody say anything
about it.
Number two,
forty men and women should qualify to the
CrossFit Games.
Yeah,
I don't know if I agree with this
one.
i'm not completely opposed to it but like
i said we've the thirty seems to be
a sweet spot i think i think i
said this last week unless you can figure
out a twelve lane system and have thirty
six that's probably three heats is
probably i think the sweet spot yeah like
thirty six with twelve so that'd be great
yeah i would love that i'm just of
the opinion and we're all i think
for all of us that whoever goes to
the games,
you take the full test and each test
matters.
Correct.
That's my bigger issue with saying let's
get forty there.
I don't want someone to go there and
not and not complete the weekend.
I'm also the opinion that like all the
tests should be like equally ranked,
like a five hundred meter sprint should be
as important as a six mile trail run.
a bag throw if you view it as
important to put in the test.
Hundred points like.
Maximally the big pro of this year was
the high tempo of events for heat starts
to drone on.
Here's what I'll say.
I have always been a proponent of the
forty people at the games until I saw
it play out this year.
And they did do an excellent job of
moving things quickly through,
which I think is a necessity.
The other problem is we've never seen
forty with the forty best athletes.
Correct.
So you're comparing apples to oranges.
This year we had probably the closest we
have ever had to the thirty best athletes
at the games.
It's still not perfect,
but it was close to.
And I always loved the forty athletes,
but we didn't have the right forty there.
I agree with that.
So it's hard to like compare.
Well,
I think that's what makes the cuts idea
even...
Because I feel like if we go this
route and we get the right forty athletes,
I really don't want someone cut.
In the past,
I could maybe have justified that there
were eight to ten people who probably
didn't even really deserve to be there.
And so if they get cut,
they get cut.
It is what it is.
But I think if you have the right
forty people, you don't want any cuts.
So like...
I mean,
I just think you figure out how many
people you can run.
The cuts are the semifinals.
The cuts are the quarterfinals.
The open.
Those are the cuts.
And then you get to the games.
This is the test.
So if you look at the decathlon,
you're not getting cut.
These are the events.
who at the end of this specific test
is the fittest.
Same thing for us.
Like it just makes no sense to me
that like you would cut someone after
seven or eight events when there's
thirteen to fifteen events and all of
their strengths could have been there and
they could have really affected the
leaderboard and all that.
Like I just don't think it gives
a good representation of what everyone's
fitness is when you you cut people short,
then the order of the events matter.
The scoring system changes after the cut
some events if they change the scoring
system.
So now the events are worth more.
So why are those events worth more than
these ones?
Just I don't know.
I just think for our methodology and the
definition of fitness, who's ever there,
whether it's twenty, thirty, forty,
take the test.
And then let's see who's ranked where.
And we've never gotten a...
an event after the cuts that was promised
that now that we're cuts,
we can do this where we couldn't in
the before that's never happened.
It's been a promise that's never been
fulfilled.
And I agree with everything that Carolyn
just said,
like that the points change after the
cuts,
the order of events really is crucial when
you're having cuts.
And depending on what kind of an athlete
you are,
one year you might get cut the other
year you might not get cut.
Like it's just, yeah.
Like a lot of times it's like the
single modality things at the start.
And then here comes all the CrossFit,
which you could be excelling at so much
when it's mixed.
Yeah.
Like, and people will say, Oh,
the cuts are exciting.
It's exciting to see who gets cut.
Who's going to not, but like, it's just,
it's not comparable to playoffs or other
sports.
Like this is a test of fitness.
And these are the events that the director
chose to put forward and,
And I feel like all should take part.
The drama that happens from the cuts is
a bullshit argument.
Because if that's your argument,
you would not have five attempts to
qualify for the games.
If you want the drama in the season,
it's going to be another recommendation
that's coming up on this list.
If you truly cared about the drama,
there are points in the season you can
have a lot of drama.
Um, Seth was, I need to find it.
Um, the cuts are a concession to HQ,
not a recommendation of the CAC, uh,
forty athlete spot strengthens live semis.
More will fight to participate because of
the increased opportunities.
I really struggle with this one.
Cause I know one of their recommendations
is to increase semifinals fields.
And I think that is.
I just – I don't see the benefit
in that.
In all honesty,
the best way for HQ to make money
is to do all online.
And pushing those spots out to in-person
semis that – and I know they're going
to, you know,
push that off to somebody else and not
have any cost incurred with it.
I just –
They're also not going to get the revenue
from it,
so I don't see why that's a benefit.
I know we want we as a sport
would like in-person events,
but I don't see how this improves things
for HQ, money-wise, personally.
No, because one,
I think one of the recommendation was for
half of the quarterfinal money to go
towards these events to help them for
registration, or maybe not registration,
but to offset some of their costs.
I just don't see how CrossFit's going to
say, oh, yes, let's do that.
Because like you said, and I fully agree,
the online version of CrossFit makes HQ so
much money.
Yeah.
The quarterfinal edition was brilliant for
HQ.
It was the smartest move that they
probably could have made to add another
fifty bucks for that and then you added
the online semifinal.
That's just easy for them to take all
that money.
Semifinal athletes should have one
opportunity to qualify for the CrossFit
Games at a live event.
Agree?
Two billion thousand zillion percent.
I do agree with this.
For the director of the semifinals,
Sanity, yes.
And also, like, yeah,
if you pick one that was stacked,
it does suck, but then you would have,
let's say,
the last chance online to do that,
or if you were sick or whatnot,
because then it becomes who has the most
sponsors,
who has no job and can go and
travel everywhere around the world or has
the funding or support to be able to
do this versus you get one shot,
pick your region, and then if you don't,
online.
Then the online would be really,
really interesting.
We have lost all the drama in the
season.
And I think that's because CrossFit has
given up any role in the season until
the games.
And so they,
all they focus on is the drama of
the games and they don't give a shit
about the drama, the rest of the season,
which is a horrible way to look at
it and is never going to grow the
sport.
think that's why i'm like hesitant to say
let's get let's bring on more semi-finals
i don't want more third-party
organizations doing their own you're
jumping ahead okay um so we agree on
that one crossfit hq should seek out new
semi-final event organizers even at the
affiliate level now go jamie
I, it just, I don't, I don't like,
it's literally the exact same thing as
what's going on for the masters.
Like giving that responsibility to
somebody else just cheapens the whole feel
of the whole thing.
Like I know some of these event organizers
can do an incredible job.
But if you're going to then have twelve
random semifinals that run however they
want to run with maybe one guideline,
I think it's crazy.
I'd rather see four big semifinals that
have seven spots, eight spots each.
I thought Syndicate that year,
when there was whatever,
nine spots available,
was incredibly exciting.
I know it's not the three podium spots
that you're looking at,
you're looking down here,
but that's exciting to me.
Like there was a bunch of good athletes
there.
People will travel to see that.
People aren't going to travel to twelve
different semifinals when there's two good
athletes at them for one or two spots.
Like you need to bring.
Thirty of like the best athletes to fight
over nine spots and it's a mini games
and people will.
That's where you're going to maybe get
people going to view in live in person.
So here's the thing.
I see both sides of this in a
way.
I don't think we need more semifinal,
but we need more people that are willing
to run semifinals and learn how to.
We are burning out the semifinal people
that we have that are good at it,
and we're going to lose them because of
it.
The other thing is CrossFit is giving them
no support, no way to sustain themselves,
and they're losing money.
And they've given them a shitty part of
the season where there is no drama.
People can go to eighteen different
semifinals if they want.
People aren't traveling to them to watch
because there's so many of them and
they'll get another opportunity down the
road to see their favorite CrossFit
athlete.
So who wants to sign up for that
junk?
I think rather than add more,
we're probably going to lose some.
rightfully so i've said that if i was
an event organizer i would say no f
you run it yourself do it the way
it should be done like and that's i
think truly what needs to happen is people
need to just back out and make hq
take it over i think it's a lost
cause that hq is probably never going to
take it back over if that's what happens
they'll probably go a hundred percent
online um but yeah i'd rather see three
incredibly strong semi-finals events
And if you don't make it,
you have the online portion.
And if not, this is when, you know,
trying to make WFP,
going to Waterpalooza and all these other
events are also rogue, are also options.
And honestly,
it makes more money than the CrossFit
Games season because all of those
athletes...
that don't make it half the time they
don't make anything at the games anyways
so if you don't make it that year
it just there's other opportunities in the
season to continue to compete it's just
you know people put all their eggs
obviously across the game season because
that is the biggest one like for sure
but they would have a second chance online
so it's still two chances there and i
do think that that still works
So Patrick says only in North America,
French, Jordan, Torian, Far East, Copa,
Sur and rebel are doing fine.
That's because they only have one event
per country.
Well, I mean,
he has a point there for one.
I feel like, I mean, let's be real.
Norcale is doing fine.
And maybe Norcale shouldn't be a
semifinal.
They should just continue to run their,
well like well-run comp that brings in a
ton of community and that should be their
thing and they should continue to make
money on their event and then syndicate
stays the like premier one here because
it's kind of central and that's i i
think the i mean that was the problem
is we tore syndicate and nor kill in
half being on the same weekend like you
can't do that kind of thing
I don't want more.
I want less and I want everyone to
go there.
And then you have Del Mar and mayhem
added.
So now you have four semifinals in one
country with people going to all like
signing up for all of them,
except for when they're on the same
weekend.
It's just bananas.
I mean, mayhem is small.
You're only going to draw so much crowd.
So I'm not opposed to them remaining one.
What sucks is it's so close to syndicate.
location wise, right?
Like it's kind of already that same crowd.
Um,
but ma'am is so small that not everyone
can go there.
So I guess syndicate could pull a bigger
crowd.
I don't know.
All right.
Next one.
Quarterfinals revenue should be,
have a percentage based and transparent
split between CrossFit HQ and semifinal
event hosts.
Yes.
I, I get it.
Cause I think,
I think they need to do a better
job with handing money over for like age
group too,
but I just don't see them agreeing to
this.
Well,
what's funny is the rule book says that
the money earned from the open goes to
like the prize purse and the quarterfinal.
We have no idea where that goes to
the, to the games budget.
I'm sure it's not in the rule book.
You're just making a big assumption.
Yeah.
Well,
who knows if it even goes towards the
games budget?
Maybe that's just their pocket.
And that's the money that like Karen said,
that's their,
that's how they made their books look back
in black.
It could be, I don't know.
It's a private company.
We're never going to know where that goes
unless it's spelled out somewhere and it's
not spelled out.
Could be the Easter bonus for the
employees.
Who knows?
But I do like the idea of me
being more transparent with the
quarterfinal money and showing where it
goes.
If they showed that it went to the
game's budget,
at least we'd know it's going to that.
But there are people that do
quarterfinals,
and I don't know how big of a
percentage this is, to support the season.
People think that they're paying that
money in support of the season,
and we don't even know if the money
goes to the season.
Well,
we also think people pay for the Open
to support the season.
We're getting to that, too.
Individual semis should uniformly be a
two-day competition with five to six
scored events.
At least six.
I'm totally on board for the two-day.
Totally.
I'm on board for the two-day.
I do agree.
I think six is better because every
semifinal always does a max lift and a
run.
I don't know.
I just think six is a more well-rounded
test.
Yeah.
The athletes can handle three events a
day.
A hundred percent.
As long as, yeah.
And then the other two days you could
put the teams or masters there if you
needed more or community divisions to add
to your weekend.
All right, and then finally,
CrossFit should lean into age group
athletes and team live semifinals as a way
to improve competition and generate more
participation.
Yes, if you want to add the teams,
that's one thing,
but I think the age group kind of
made their stand there this year on how
that worked out.
Well, there was no lean.
I mean,
they'd have to start leaning to lean more
into.
When you don't even acknowledge that they
happened...
during the games that were just down the
street and it happened just days before
there were no updates from the the teen
group during the weekend while it was
going on there now granted things move
pretty quickly and there wasn't a lot of
break between events but they had that
video board running different things on it
you're telling me you can't run footage of
carolyn winning the thirty five to thirty
nine noah winning thirty five to thirty
nine rudy berger winning forty to forty
four yeah yeah but they're not even
talking about them highlighting like the
games masters they're not even talking
about they're literally talking about
adding them to semifinals and i don't i
don't think that that went well for the
for the age groups
Well, again, there's still no lean.
Even when they were in the same place
doing things at the same time,
they didn't lean into that.
All right.
So I think that's all seven of the
CAC recommendations.
So I'll stop sharing.
I appreciate the work that the CAC is
doing, though,
to bring these points up and...
get some better, you know,
get a better structure for the season.
So definitely appreciate the work that
they're doing and their ideas.
Even if not everyone agrees with every
single one of them, I think just having,
you know,
different representation on there and at
least getting a dialogue going with HQ and
the sport, I think is important.
So we'll see where that goes.
I wanted to,
I'm going to skip ahead a little bit.
WFP workouts were what,
two weekish away from WFP tour stop two?
while patrick's in the comments i'm going
to put him on the spot since jamie
and i have applied for media credentials
uh we have not heard back in writing
in and have not been able to make
hotel reservations in indianapolis yet uh
so just nudge nudge push push we have
applied maybe i'll message brian again i
had messaged brian because i was trying to
look in to see if they had age
group here but they don't they only have
the finals unfortunately
Yeah, and just in addition to this,
Monster Games did announce that the
winners of their competition get to go to
Copenhagen and compete,
and they put out a thing on Instagram,
I believe it was today,
which was a pretty cool little thing.
Oh, we're approved.
So we're approved,
and so we need to clip this,
print it out so we can bring it
with us.
All right.
I need to get with Jamie then.
And we need to figure out hotels.
YouTube official.
I'm going to put up, okay.
Clip that clip clip that there we go.
All right.
So the workouts came out this week.
Um,
and Carolyn is going to be doing them.
So I'd love to get the feedback on
what we think of the workouts, uh,
for tour stop number two in grand park,
uh, Indiana.
The Combine.
Forty-yard dash, pro agility,
five-ten-five shuttle, max broad jump.
Loves it.
Big hearts, big hearts, big hearts.
Yeah, I mean,
I've been waiting for thirteen years for
something like this to show up.
I mean,
I would have liked to have been younger,
but I'm excited for them to do this.
I haven't actually been sprinting because
I hurt my hamstring running a couple weeks
or a week and a half ago.
So,
but I'm hoping to be back in all
Tuesday to start re-implementing some
sprinting again.
Went a little bit too hard
And I'm a little too old.
Know your age.
It wasn't too bad.
It was just,
it was a little bit of a pull,
but it was just enough that I was
like, okay, you're not,
you're not twenty-five anymore.
Can't do what you used to do.
So, it was a little wake-up call.
I'm hoping this isn't a place it's easy
to watch.
I want to see the five-ten shuttle so
bad.
That's the one I think I like the
most of the three, I believe.
Yeah.
There was supposed to be a vertical jump,
but I don't know if they took that
away.
So like at the Monster Games,
they did a vertical jump,
but it was like a time in the
air.
I think sometimes people kind of pike and
because it's not just like a hitting,
it was just like a vertical jump.
And I think they probably just scratched
that.
I'm assuming because of the difficulty of
judging that movement.
But yeah, excited to see this combine.
I wanted to put this up because this
is a topic for later.
Seth has taken off,
but he'll say for future discussion that
the master's payouts will be a topic of
discussion at Thursday's CAC meeting.
We've been told we will get clarity on
that.
Good.
I saw Halpin's post that asked if they
could audit the numbers if the CAC gets
asked for an audit.
I mean,
it's not just affecting the masters,
it's affecting the individuals.
They're going off the same numbers for the
individual.
So people like, it's not, yeah,
it's all of it.
Yeah.
Awesome.
I'm glad to hear that.
Uh,
Indianapolis is the home of the combine
for the NFL.
So it is kind of cool that they're
doing the combine in Indianapolis.
That is cool.
I'm looking forward.
I think you have some athletes that are
probably going to do really,
really well here that we just don't know
that they have this type of background.
We've never tested this in CrossFit.
Never.
No one's had the balls to do it.
I'm excited to see it.
Who's the fastest?
Who's agile?
Who can jump far?
I love it.
I don't know how they're going to score
it.
Because we have fifty athletes taking the
test.
Like,
are they worth thirty three something
point three points each?
I don't know.
Fifty points.
Yeah.
At Monster Games,
I think Corey told me they were there
was four events and they were twenty five
each.
OK.
Um, so,
and then Patrick did say that they,
that monster was a test run.
So we'll see.
Um,
there was something I wanted to share and
now I lost it.
Oh, well, um, yeah.
Excited for that one too.
Uh, Phil says,
I think he might do well in this
one.
I think you're right.
again they're in a field of fifty there
can be someone that has a hundred meter
track and field background that we have no
idea about or like a pure sprinter like
we have no idea like we just haven't
tested this this type of stuff and i
don't know what um birchfield means and he
says i don't know about that carolyn
um pro vent to uh twelve parallel
handstand push-ups twenty four ghd sit-ups
twelve box jump over six flip sled four
rounds for time i love the flip sled
yeah it's it's really just a mini pig
i've never really used i think i've only
used it once and it was at wadapalooza
many many years ago
Um,
I normally like the pig at the games.
I like this one.
There's some, um,
like the flip side is almost like a
clean and jerk,
which will get the shoulders tired for
probably hands and pushups.
Like,
I think this is a nice athletic event
and I like it.
I really like this event.
Yeah, it's cool.
Uh, then we have a ten K run.
So we go forty yard dash to ten
K run.
I mean, if I like number one,
I probably don't like number three for
But I think both are important in a
test of fitness.
You know,
someone like Kringle will do well at both.
And that's why she's the fittest.
But I think it's an important test that
like, like,
You have to do both.
And we always only do the distance.
So that's why I'm finally happy that we
get to see the other side of it.
Because there are people that we always
assume that they're horrible runners,
but they're just not great distance
runners,
but they could be excellent sprinters.
So yeah, I think that's fine.
And then Scott's favorite workout,
the one rep max bench press.
I'm going to get embarrassed here.
Is Alex doing a WRP?
no no okay she really wanted to do
it because of the bench press i think
she was very very curious but i think
on the girls um podcast she said that
she had a trip or something and then
didn't want to think about having to train
for wfp so i think she doesn't like
it or is not doing it me personally
you know number three and four is no
yeah i'd like to be great
I mean, I think, again,
but I think it's going to be cool
to see who can bench.
I mean,
that's kind of part of like the combine
all the time is bench.
Yeah.
The test in the combine is taking two
twenty five as many reps as you can.
Right.
And like for women,
maybe that's one forty five or one fifty.
I don't know.
Somewhere in there.
I don't think you would do one fifty
five,
which would normally be the standard.
I think you would probably do.
Yeah,
I think guys can just bench better than
females in general.
Minus like a few.
Um, but yeah, I mean, you know,
this is setting up to be a back
squat probably in the finals of WFP
because last year they had some, um,
Olympic lifting for their three stages of
their max lift.
Now you're seeing, um, power lifts,
you know, you had the deadlift, the bench,
and then the back squat is what I'm
assuming will be in the finals.
But, uh,
um so then we move on to uh
number five two rounds for time fifty
chest to bar twenty five sandbag squats
hundred fifty sled push ouch legs heavy uh
sandbag squats i'm assuming we can
probably hold the big sandbag here but
yeah that's gonna be painful i mean i
kind of hope you have to have it
up there like i hope it's not the
bear hug because people will just like hit
it off their thighs
Yeah, I don't think so.
And I don't think it's going to,
maybe just one shoulder.
Is it two hundred one fifty?
Yeah, it's pretty heavy.
I don't know that I've done a one
fifty squat.
But that's a tough one.
Those legs are going to be sore.
Workout.
I like this one.
It'll be fun to watch.
Yeah.
um number six uh four time thirty twenty
two calorie echo bike hundred and fifty
yard swim rest two minutes hundred and
fifty yard swim thirty twenty two cal echo
bike carolyn's gonna be wearing her wings
i mean
participating in this one?
This is early.
This is I think the first one has
a I think the first one has a
five minute time cap.
And then everyone originally,
I think that's how they had posted it.
So you have a five minute time cap
rest two minutes and then you start the
other way.
But well,
that would equal to the overall cap.
So that makes sense.
And then finally,
we'll go to the four-time, thirty-five,
twenty-five calorie row,
twenty-five bar muscle-ups,
hundred-fifty handstand walk,
five squat snatch.
What's the weight?
It is two-forty-five, one-seventy.
Jesus!
Yeah, that's hard.
I haven't tried that,
but nine-minute time cap,
that's going to be heavy for me on
the barbell.
That is insane.
For me, it's like a weight that
You know,
I haven't touched a barbell in this
workout.
You know, you have a ten,
fifteen minute corral.
You have the bar muscle ups.
You have the handstands.
You're very fatigued in the shoulders,
your high heart rate.
And then for me,
this is a weight that like I have
to definitely respect.
And it's a heavy weight for me.
So I don't know how I'm going to
feel when I get there.
I haven't tested this workout.
I'll probably give it a go at some
point this week or next week.
And then the people that are very,
very strong,
I think the front half will be irrelevant
because if they're able to do the
one-seventy and just go boom, boom, boom,
or even, I mean, if you're Gi,
you can maybe go touch and go.
I think that's the big separator is the
five-squat snatches,
and the rest is all movements that anyone
in this field would have no problem doing.
So I think you could have just done
almost a snatch there.
This is exactly how I felt about the
second workout at the Masters Games.
Like,
I don't like this workout for you guys.
dumb.
It's just not a test of fitness.
I think it's fine,
but I do think it's very skewed to
the barbell at the end.
Can I just say overall, I really,
really like these events.
I like that you have sled pushes.
I like that you have a combine.
I like that you have flip sleds.
There's all the odd object stuff that we
didn't have at the Masters CrossFit Games.
Yeah.
I think they did a great job with
the programming.
And they're not making them squat with a
med ball.
Yeah.
There's events that I'm not going to like
or I'm not going to do very well,
but I still think it's a good test.
Yeah.
I love that it's sled pushes.
I love that it's flip sleds and just
grunt work at times.
That's the gritty CrossFit that has to be
a part of something.
And if it's not there,
it just doesn't feel special.
I mean,
I know when a local comp has a
flip sled,
we get all excited because it's something
you don't get to touch every day.
so uh those are those are um those
are the workouts uh justin kotler agrees
with prevo uh good competition for tutor i
don't know how good he is running gonna
be good yeah i don't feel like i
don't even know how he'll be at the
combine to be honest like i don't know
I've not seen his athleticism on display
to know.
I think Carolyn's right.
I think we don't know.
The combine is a we don't know,
unless you're Guy or Amy Kringle.
You know certain people that will do well,
but you don't know who's going to win
because in a field of fifty,
there's some outliers on this kind of
stuff.
I know I'm going to do well at
the combine,
but I don't know where I am.
There could be freaks there.
Um, like, you know,
Kringle is going to do well at all
of it, but for the most part,
I think people are going to enjoy a
couple of the workouts and then get
exposed on other parts of the workouts.
And I think that's exciting.
Like that,
that that's a good test of fitness.
If you're kind of worried with some and
excited for others.
Um, yeah.
How are some of the girls doing that
were at the games?
Is Lydia coming?
Is Hannah Black?
How's her back?
They're signed up right now,
so I think Lydia,
Hannah Black is doing it.
Annika's not doing it.
Fi, who's a pro, not doing it.
I think those are the two female pros
that aren't doing it.
And then, yeah, I mean, you have
Who else from the games Burgos is there
as well.
Okay.
She's not a pro,
but she was an athlete that was at
the games.
But certainly will be in the picture to
get a pro card this year.
Yeah, even bench press.
It's more than raw strength.
If you don't keep the barbell path, right,
you're not going to make the lift.
Like it is consistency with raw strength.
And that's going to be a question mark
too.
Like, yeah, this person's strong,
but are they strong in a consistent manner
with a bench press?
Yep.
Chivalry.
Yep.
I have the rosters if people want to
see it, but it's fifties,
a lot of names to read.
I don't know how many sub-fives on the
.
I'm not sure,
but I also don't know how they're going
to calculate it if you get to start
one yard behind the speed gates or not.
Depending on where the gates start,
it can affect how many people I think
can get sub-five.
Listen,
sub-five is not that difficult for a male
that's in shape.
In high school,
I ran sub five and I'm not that
fast.
These guys are in way better shape than
I was.
Like,
I wouldn't be surprised if geese like four
or five, four, six.
It depends if they go a yard before
he would be faster.
I mean,
I was like four nine in high school,
but I did go sub five.
And we had kids on my football team
going four sixes, four sevens.
So if they can do it as...
The Apex were going on this past weekend,
I think in Chicago.
And you have a lot of the forty
times there.
For females,
there's a few that were sub five.
for the men.
I think there was one guy that was
like four to something.
But again,
I think they were starting a yard behind.
Yeah,
I think Patrick says NFL combined
standards,
and I think that is like a track
start.
And then it becomes...
what do they allow for the starting
position?
Does it have to be a two point
start?
Can you do like,
I don't know if they have certain rules,
I guess we'll see what the standards are
for how they want us to start.
Three point or two point.
So, okay.
last thing i wanted to talk about tonight
and seth already addressed this in the
comments earlier um well there's okay the
masters payouts were announced they came
in lower than what people expected
They were based on two hundred forty two
thousand participants in the open.
When CrossFit itself announced that there
were two hundred fifty four thousand plus
participants,
meaning that twelve thousand participants
and their money disappeared.
And when,
and I talked about this on Friday a
little bit, but when spin posted this,
the comments were about how much money the
masters were getting or not getting,
or was it fair?
Was it not fair?
The big story here is not that the
big story is that there is money missing.
Yeah.
Yeah,
the comments kind of drifted sideways
there in the Masters.
And that wasn't what the spin was bringing
up.
It was literally that it's based off a
lower registration than what we're
anticipating,
which means not only our money would be
lower, but the individual's money,
the team's or whatever.
It's just calculating differently.
Well,
and it also happened with the individual
athletes in the elite division.
They were based on two forty two as
well.
So their paychecks were lower than they
anticipated them to be.
I've actually seen record where if you
count all the people that registered for
the open up until the open was over,
it's even greater than the two fifty four.
But that number was never announced.
CrossFit announced a number when the open
started.
Twenty five point one or twenty point one.
And I've seen that there were actually
more people that signed up after that.
And to sign up means you have to
pay the twenty dollars.
So there's at least twelve thousand
registrations missing,
possibly way more than that.
So I emailed CrossFit about it.
And I got an email back saying that
from one of the support people that they
were going to go back and look at
it and come back to me with an
answer.
I mean, if you're going to announce...
So they were going to look into it.
Yeah.
I think if you're going to announce that
two hundred fifty two thousand people
signed up for the open,
you should probably use that number.
Moving forward.
And that's probably on the low side of
the actual breakdown per division is
identical to what they did last year um
like of the ten percent eight point five
went to the winner three point five the
second then it was two percent to the
third and then each division is the same
breakdown it's just the total is off i
think from what signed up in the open
but i think like from from my position
i think it's a difference of maybe
fifteen hundred dollars or something like
that but someone like Sprite could be a
difference of almost fifteen thousand that
he would be lower and then when you
start adding all of the tax or the
state tax stuff like that will you know
it ends up mattering so you just want
it to be accurate that's all well just
an explanation not just blindly throw it
out there one it was supposed to be
announced prior to the game starting
It came out two weeks after and it's
not right.
It's not correct.
According to the announcement you made
about the open.
Right.
And yet people complain about the WFP and
the athletes making more money.
At least,
you know what you're making there.
I know there was a lot of complaints
in there about like.
Thirty five, thirty nine,
making more and then drop off stuff like.
But that's not the story.
No, I know.
But I feel like if you're like,
if you're trying to allocate money,
I feel like the smartest thing to do
is, well, you know,
if a thousand seventy plus people sign up,
that's their pool of
money and and how many thirty five to
thirty nine sign up and how many forty
to forty like honestly it should probably
like it's increasing yeah like every age
group is just yeah and individuals
eighteen to thirty four should not get
they need they need more participation if
they want more money uh tessa nobody's
complaining right now anymore
Because like there's a division of like
the forty to like, I don't know,
to fifty four.
Maybe you have the same as what you're
saying.
Basically, each age group,
it should slowly start to go down as
the number of participants in that age
group is also lower.
Yeah,
that's how I think it should be allocated.
But yes,
I think I think that makes sense.
The thing that I.
The other numbers I was finding when I
was looking for the open numbers is that
sixty one percent of the open
registrations were masters athletes.
Yes, that's my point.
Sixty one percent.
So when you're nickel and diming the
people that are paying all the money,
that's a really, really freaking bad look.
And then the team's registration,
they don't get a dime.
You know what?
I remember the team,
they don't get a dime,
and then they also don't get drug tested.
They don't get drug tested,
so they maybe shouldn't get paid.
But I think it's only, what, ATP?
what they do, twenty and twenty of each,
so eighty people, eighty athletes,
you're better off asking the sponsor,
I mean,
I wouldn't like it as a master, but,
like,
you're better off giving them the full
kit.
That was the big pull for teams.
You know, three grand, four grand of gear.
Like, all that, like, getting the bag,
the shoes, like,
it's twenty of them in each age bracket,
like,
supply them and you don't you don't have
to pay them but like it was always
about the kit for so many people i
know that was the whole reason i was
going like i was never like that's what's
frustrating about this whole thing and
then to yes nickel and dime us and
not like well not only shortchange you
guys on the kit now but then then
claim exclusivity when other sponsors want
to give you stuff that's the the part
of the masters
Because you're connected to the CrossFit
Games.
Well,
the price to register keeps going up,
but the things that we're getting keep
going down.
And before, like,
let's say we paid two fifty or four
hundred, whatever, to go to the games.
You took home so much more than what
you paid for.
So it was kind of cool.
Now you're not.
you know,
you're not getting even close to that.
And then the amount of events that we're
actually doing are decreasing as well.
So like, it's, yeah, but like,
I remember when I first made the games,
it was all about the kit,
and they've had cuts.
And it was like, make the cut.
So you can get an extra shirt, like,
you know,
I just wanted to get the kit,
want to get a sign of my name
on it like that, you know,
and for the teenagers, like,
that would be super, like,
cool for them to have like a full
kit.
Wonder how long this CFO search will last.
Well,
apparently it's way more needed than we
thought.
Sounds like my grocery bill.
That is correct.
Your grocery bill keeps going up and the
amount of food you get to bring home
is less and less.
And Jay Birch, your math is off.
It's only twenty dollars to register for
the open.
What did he say it was?
Thirty.
I paid seven dollars for two onions today.
I went to a farmer's market and paid
way less than that, dude.
Anyway, so all that's happened.
The queue has been announced that it is
happening August, August, August, August,
August, August, August, August, August,
August, August, August, August,
August
Did you say it's August twenty-first
through the twenty-third?
Yep.
So it's during WFP?
No, WFP's the next weekend.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
You still going?
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't know why I was thinking, yeah,
that's the twenty-eighth.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's on my calendar.
But that's a, that's a tough,
because the rogue qualifier is the hardest
qualifier there is with the hardest
standards.
Yeah.
You got to weigh everything in.
It's forty minutes of videoing before you
can even start the workout.
I mean, that's how WFP is lesson learned.
And then a week later,
you've got to compete at WFP.
That that's a tough back to back.
um so anyway it's happening it always gets
some big names um i guess that rogue
has sent out invitations to people they're
not allowed to say if they got it
or not um angelo let it leak today
that page got hers okay uh so we
know one i guess i'm betting you can
assume that james and amy got theirs
But we don't know because just because you
get it doesn't mean you accept it.
The real question is how many spots for
the online qualifier?
Right.
That's the question because that hasn't
been consistent year to year and it's
changed.
So that's what I'm curious about.
How many spots are going to allow for
the online?
After Scotland, where's the next location?
Columbus, Ohio.
One can hope.
i think so because they're building right
now um more like didn't they take over
like even more land there so i bet
you when that's done they're coming back
to columbus that's where the games needs
to go they um yeah so the the
warehouse facility the whole bit was a
city block and i think now it is
too
It is so massive.
Even when they first built on that
location, they had Rogue,
the Invitational,
in the front yard of that building.
That front yard is gone.
Where they held Rogue the first year is
now gone.
But they had five buildings in Columbus,
and they're consolidating it all to the
one location.
And they have built enough building to do
that.
It is so big.
It's going to touch the convention center.
Really?
I'm just kidding.
It just feels that way.
Because they're both on Fifth Avenue,
the convention center, and Rogue.
And Rogue is just moving closer and closer
to touch butt up with the convention
center.
So the parking lot got changed to
building,
and then the parking lot got moved to
where they held the Rogue Invitational.
So it was like building over the parking
lot,
then parking lot got moved out closer to
the street.
I used to work on Fifth Avenue.
I was only ten minutes from Rogue
headquarters.
It was an easy lunch hour stop by.
Now I work from home and it's like
a half an hour.
But I love that first Rogue.
That might have been my favorite in-person
competition of all time.
Was that the one that they had the
tug-of-war with the teams?
They did.
And the shooting.
And the rifle shoot.
Yeah, with the skiers.
But it was the stuff indoors where they,
in the factory,
they built stands and a rig and the
whole bit.
It was so cool.
And then,
seventeen point two open announcement was
held there too.
And I was there for that.
And they built inside the factory again,
which was so cool.
Wouldn't that be a cool show?
Lunch with the Clydesdale at Rogue HQ.
Right now,
I just have to be out in the
parking lot with my iPad.
Dear Bill and Katie, please let me in.
Andrew, stop arguing with me.
The one side of it's on High Street.
The north side of it is on Fifth
Avenue.
It's an L.
Larry and Shelly are at every major
competition.
They were there too.
Love that one.
I think that's where we first saw Colton
Mertens compete.
The first time I saw Colton was at
Mayhem.
At twenty one.
Yeah.
When I saw Lex complete.
Yeah, she was there that year.
She did well.
But anyway, all right.
With that, guys,
we're going to call it a night.
Hope you guys have a great...
monday morning start to the week i will
be here for lunch with the clydesdale
tomorrow don't forget to order your shirts
sorry i don't have the venmo thing um
all of that with that have a great
day and hope to see you soon bye
guys