WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.350 --> 00:00:12.540 Travis Bader: I'm Travis Bader, and this is the Silvercore podcast. 00:00:13.380 --> 00:00:17.930 Silvercore has been providing its members with the skills and knowledge 00:00:17.950 --> 00:00:22.620 necessary to be confident and proficient in the outdoors for over 20 years. 00:00:22.710 --> 00:00:26.790 And we make it easier for people to deepen their connection to the natural world. 00:00:29.620 --> 00:00:33.010 Very often when a podcast As ends, the conversation continues. 00:00:33.550 --> 00:00:37.570 That was the case here, and we decided to press record on a candid conversation 00:00:37.570 --> 00:00:41.380 where Sean asked me questions he was curious about for the complete 00:00:41.380 --> 00:00:43.480 conversation that led to this discussion. 00:00:43.510 --> 00:00:47.800 Make sure to download episode 107 where Sean shares the secrets that led 00:00:47.800 --> 00:00:49.840 to his success as an industry leader. 00:00:50.810 --> 00:00:54.970 If you enjoy the Silver Core Podcast and you'd like to see more, the biggest 00:00:54.970 --> 00:00:59.530 thing that you can do to help us grow is to like, comment and share with others. 00:01:00.330 --> 00:01:03.310 It's a small effort, but it makes a massive difference 00:01:03.360 --> 00:01:04.230 to the growth of the show. 00:01:05.019 --> 00:01:05.429 Thank you. 00:01:07.150 --> 00:01:08.570 Sean Zubor: All right, brother, I got a question for you. 00:01:08.580 --> 00:01:08.970 Yeah. 00:01:09.230 --> 00:01:09.580 Okay. 00:01:09.610 --> 00:01:11.270 So why this, why this podcast? 00:01:12.170 --> 00:01:15.080 Travis Bader: You know, it's one of these things I, I looked at what was 00:01:15.080 --> 00:01:20.090 happening in my sphere and my business, and there, there was a hell of a lot 00:01:20.090 --> 00:01:25.539 of negativity that you see, whether it be on a social side from, uh, firearms 00:01:25.539 --> 00:01:27.979 or hunting and people against that. 00:01:28.759 --> 00:01:32.100 Uh, whether it be within the industry itself, you know, you're 00:01:32.100 --> 00:01:33.259 in the real estate industry. 00:01:33.259 --> 00:01:35.700 And I'm sure there's all different types of characters and there's 00:01:35.720 --> 00:01:41.099 those that will strive hard to build the biggest building and build a 00:01:41.169 --> 00:01:42.800 community around them to build it up. 00:01:42.820 --> 00:01:46.670 And there are also those that will try and torch everybody else's building 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:48.659 so that there's looks the biggest. 00:01:48.660 --> 00:01:52.350 And I was encountering that numerous times. 00:01:52.369 --> 00:01:55.280 And I thought, this is what I know. 00:01:55.310 --> 00:01:56.289 This is what I do. 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.990 Do I want to just endeavor in a different direction or do I want to 00:02:00.990 --> 00:02:05.760 see if I can be the person to bring some positivity and change into an 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:10.699 industry where I'm experiencing, uh, difficulty and negativity? 00:02:10.705 --> 00:02:13.760 So that, that was the advent of the Silver Core Podcast. 00:02:13.760 --> 00:02:16.910 It was specifically designed to bring positivity into the industry 00:02:17.359 --> 00:02:21.200 and to highlight people's passion and share that passion with others. 00:02:22.115 --> 00:02:29.285 Sean Zubor: What do you feel that, let me rephrase, business or people, 00:02:29.535 --> 00:02:32.445 people that are out there, like a very similar question to what you've asked 00:02:32.445 --> 00:02:35.755 me earlier is like, what are some of the changes you feel that we need, we 00:02:35.755 --> 00:02:38.304 need to be doing as a society to better. 00:02:39.015 --> 00:02:42.524 You know, gun advocacy and all the other kinds of things that you're involved in. 00:02:42.524 --> 00:02:43.415 And we've been talking about. 00:02:43.464 --> 00:02:45.494 Travis Bader: It's similar to what you're talking about before, which is 00:02:45.494 --> 00:02:49.975 to have an open mind, to separate the individual from the idea, to realize 00:02:49.975 --> 00:02:53.994 that a lot of us are all striving to get to the exact same place. 00:02:53.994 --> 00:02:56.894 We're just taking different paths to get there and that 00:02:57.174 --> 00:02:58.405 place that we're trying to get. 00:02:58.570 --> 00:03:05.590 To if we can take a step back and look at that and say, is that worthwhile? 00:03:05.600 --> 00:03:06.760 Is that a place where we want to be? 00:03:06.760 --> 00:03:09.750 And if so, are we able to be tolerant of these other paths? 00:03:09.780 --> 00:03:12.940 And in fact, is there a way we can work together to get there? 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:17.399 And that one piece of the puzzle that work together to get there is a one 00:03:17.399 --> 00:03:20.879 piece of the puzzle that I found to be lacking in so many areas, because the 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:25.700 person who wants to work together the most will oftentimes find themselves 00:03:25.700 --> 00:03:29.299 being the one who does the majority of the work, who gets taken advantage of. 00:03:29.510 --> 00:03:34.209 Or forgotten, uh, if, if things start to get tough or difficult. 00:03:34.549 --> 00:03:40.229 So I think it's a process of realizing that's human nature and then surrounding 00:03:40.230 --> 00:03:43.339 yourself with the right quality of person. 00:03:44.239 --> 00:03:44.820 Sean Zubor: And so. 00:03:45.695 --> 00:03:50.265 Right now, how we find ourselves, um, let's just say in like the 00:03:50.265 --> 00:03:53.385 whole firearms community and what's happening, like I know there is 00:03:53.385 --> 00:03:57.625 lawsuits between major organizations and all these other kinds of things. 00:03:57.954 --> 00:03:59.584 Are we cannibalizing ourselves? 00:03:59.584 --> 00:04:04.124 What are, what are some of the things that as a community, because 00:04:04.124 --> 00:04:07.354 you're in this community more than anybody I know, what are some of 00:04:07.354 --> 00:04:09.024 the things that we should be doing? 00:04:09.515 --> 00:04:12.435 To kind of, you know, help to be that one foot forward. 00:04:12.435 --> 00:04:16.175 Like how, how do we bring these people together when you have people with 00:04:16.195 --> 00:04:19.994 the exact same minds, one might just be a little bit more extreme than 00:04:19.994 --> 00:04:21.815 the other or whatever it is, right. 00:04:22.234 --> 00:04:23.265 For lack of a better word. 00:04:23.265 --> 00:04:25.205 But how, how do we bring these communicated? 00:04:25.294 --> 00:04:27.905 Cause I feel like if we're bickering and fighting it, we're 00:04:27.905 --> 00:04:29.044 definitely not moving forward. 00:04:29.184 --> 00:04:29.974 Travis Bader: No, and you're not. 00:04:29.974 --> 00:04:34.395 And then you, and if I'm to extrapolate from lawsuits and community, you're 00:04:34.395 --> 00:04:37.075 probably talking about different advocacy groups that are out there. 00:04:37.565 --> 00:04:40.645 And the power struggles that have happened. 00:04:40.645 --> 00:04:42.174 And really none of them are blameless. 00:04:42.205 --> 00:04:45.604 There is no one single white knight in all of this. 00:04:45.935 --> 00:04:49.994 And some of them have weaponized their, their followers in the 00:04:50.055 --> 00:04:54.625 hopes of getting more followers and to try and defeat others. 00:04:54.684 --> 00:04:59.125 I think that that is one area that has been so disheartening when 00:04:59.125 --> 00:05:01.034 you look at it is the amount of. 00:05:01.219 --> 00:05:05.119 Of infighting and you'll find that at every level, at the high levels, 00:05:05.119 --> 00:05:08.380 at the low levels, whether it's your local club and they get in there 00:05:08.390 --> 00:05:11.299 and says, well, I don't care that about this law that's coming through. 00:05:11.299 --> 00:05:13.099 Cause I'm not a pistol shooter. 00:05:13.099 --> 00:05:16.890 I don't have restricted or prohibited, or I'm only black powder. 00:05:17.660 --> 00:05:24.190 And I think the biggest, uh, benefit that this community in general, 00:05:24.190 --> 00:05:27.760 whether it be the firearms community or the hunting community can look 00:05:27.760 --> 00:05:31.130 at is what is our guiding light? 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:35.280 Do we have an overarching goal that we're looking to get towards? 00:05:35.650 --> 00:05:38.350 Like if people say, nope, for my cold, dead hands, and 00:05:38.350 --> 00:05:39.620 they ain't getting just one. 00:05:40.530 --> 00:05:41.810 Okay, that's one stance. 00:05:41.810 --> 00:05:43.380 That's one way you can go towards it. 00:05:44.060 --> 00:05:46.190 But you also realize you're going to alienate a hell of a 00:05:46.190 --> 00:05:47.580 lot of people in the process. 00:05:48.090 --> 00:05:55.849 Um, but if you have that one guiding light and then the resources for people 00:05:55.850 --> 00:05:59.679 to be able to be essentially empower themselves, because most people. 00:06:00.400 --> 00:06:01.830 Have that ability already. 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:03.240 They just don't realize it. 00:06:03.510 --> 00:06:07.950 So waking people up to the fact that they have that ability and maybe just 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:11.540 providing them resources where you can say, you don't need an organization 00:06:11.540 --> 00:06:12.769 to go and do these things for you. 00:06:12.780 --> 00:06:17.200 In fact, all of you individuals are so much more powerful on your 00:06:17.200 --> 00:06:20.450 own, that organization lean on them and make them work, have them 00:06:20.450 --> 00:06:22.359 provide you as individuals with the. 00:06:22.845 --> 00:06:26.615 Uh, the tools so that you can go out there and sing from the same song 00:06:26.615 --> 00:06:29.225 sheet and approach in a similar way. 00:06:29.255 --> 00:06:34.995 I think that would probably affect the greatest amount of, of, uh, change and 00:06:35.015 --> 00:06:40.114 compassion, be compassionate because what you're looking at is something that 00:06:40.114 --> 00:06:44.604 can negatively, some people have been negatively affected by firearms and never 00:06:44.625 --> 00:06:48.104 in a million years, am I going to try and tell them that guns are a good thing or. 00:06:49.295 --> 00:06:55.985 Try and endeavor in some sort of rational argument on an emotional, uh, level. 00:06:56.005 --> 00:06:59.955 It's, um, you're not doing them or yourself or anybody, any favors, be 00:06:59.955 --> 00:07:02.845 compassionate, realize that there are different ways that people look 00:07:02.845 --> 00:07:08.490 at these things and maybe you It's surrounding ourselves with the right 00:07:08.490 --> 00:07:10.360 community and then working together. 00:07:10.770 --> 00:07:12.950 Sean Zubor: That's actually, I was going to ask you that as well, cause 00:07:12.990 --> 00:07:17.149 I'm, I'm in the community, like I'm part of the wild sheep society and so 00:07:17.149 --> 00:07:21.310 on and so forth, but, and I go, I'm a member at the POCO gun range and mission 00:07:21.310 --> 00:07:22.559 gun range and so on and so forth. 00:07:22.570 --> 00:07:25.970 So I try to be around it as much as I can, but I'm the first one to 00:07:25.970 --> 00:07:29.190 say, like, I never go to general meetings or do any of these things. 00:07:29.200 --> 00:07:29.430 So, 00:07:29.990 --> 00:07:30.700 Travis Bader: you know, I got, I got a. 00:07:31.030 --> 00:07:31.550 Yeah, why would you? 00:07:31.590 --> 00:07:32.430 They're boring, right? 00:07:32.789 --> 00:07:33.200 There you go. 00:07:33.200 --> 00:07:34.020 And is, 00:07:34.080 --> 00:07:38.680 Sean Zubor: is there, is there a lack of community that might help these things? 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:41.270 Cause like you said, and I've, I've generally heard this and I've seen 00:07:41.270 --> 00:07:45.770 these on these BC hunting forums and all this other kind of stuff, like, oh, 00:07:45.770 --> 00:07:47.659 I don't give a rat's ass if they don't. 00:07:47.700 --> 00:07:51.409 If they take all pistols or black guns away, they're only just machismo 00:07:51.409 --> 00:07:53.140 guys trying to be cool anyways. 00:07:53.150 --> 00:07:55.060 And, you know, I use my gun for hunting. 00:07:55.060 --> 00:07:56.240 They'll never take that away. 00:07:56.240 --> 00:08:00.940 And then sure enough, they take away, you know, 10, 000 jewel or whatever. 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:01.629 You know what I mean? 00:08:01.629 --> 00:08:02.529 And it does start affecting them. 00:08:02.829 --> 00:08:06.759 Is that because we have separated ourselves within 00:08:06.799 --> 00:08:08.210 and created micro communities? 00:08:08.640 --> 00:08:11.510 I think in general, most of these. 00:08:12.159 --> 00:08:14.770 What's the best way to say firearms owners or whatever. 00:08:14.820 --> 00:08:19.179 I feel like a lot of us are very independent individuals and I'm, I'm, 00:08:19.219 --> 00:08:20.590 I'm somebody that goes in the woods. 00:08:20.590 --> 00:08:21.669 I can take care of myself. 00:08:21.669 --> 00:08:23.049 I don't need everybody kind of thing. 00:08:23.049 --> 00:08:23.619 You know what I mean? 00:08:24.049 --> 00:08:28.210 Um, so does that play in the fact of why we haven't come to together and 00:08:28.210 --> 00:08:30.679 been so cohesive in the movement? 00:08:30.869 --> 00:08:36.515 Like, what are some of the things that, You think we can do to bring this to, to 00:08:36.515 --> 00:08:40.424 bring everybody together more or less, and kind of bring us on the same page and have 00:08:40.424 --> 00:08:45.275 that, that empathy and compassion for each other's sports and firearms in general, 00:08:45.284 --> 00:08:46.965 versus just like, this is mine and only 00:08:46.965 --> 00:08:47.255 Travis Bader: mine. 00:08:47.725 --> 00:08:49.385 I think it comes down to normalization. 00:08:50.045 --> 00:08:55.225 And I think you talk about these micro communities and they're there. 00:08:55.255 --> 00:08:57.815 There's always going to be, doesn't matter what activity people get 00:08:57.825 --> 00:09:00.115 into, you're going to have golfers, and then you're going to have people 00:09:00.115 --> 00:09:01.845 that get right, right into it. 00:09:01.905 --> 00:09:03.905 You know, it doesn't matter. 00:09:04.110 --> 00:09:06.674 What group or organization you're with, but. 00:09:07.224 --> 00:09:12.305 I think that the firearms community has been, and I'll put my air brackets up 00:09:12.305 --> 00:09:17.045 here for the people that are listening, under the gun for such a long period of 00:09:17.045 --> 00:09:22.164 time that a lot of them have decided, you know, if we're quiet, if we don't 00:09:22.175 --> 00:09:24.824 poke our head up, we just do our thing. 00:09:24.834 --> 00:09:26.685 We're not going to sit here and try and convince other 00:09:26.685 --> 00:09:29.274 people, uh, it'll all go away. 00:09:29.744 --> 00:09:37.195 But there's, there's just a massive machine behind the, uh, Whether 00:09:37.215 --> 00:09:42.105 intentional or otherwise the anti gun or anti hunting movements. 00:09:42.315 --> 00:09:43.795 Some of it's very much intentional. 00:09:43.805 --> 00:09:48.595 Some of it, maybe not so much, you know, firearms are glorified in, in media. 00:09:49.315 --> 00:09:53.264 Uh, people think of a police officer and, you know, give me a 00:09:53.265 --> 00:09:56.395 couple objects that a cop is, they don't think of a pen and paper. 00:09:56.395 --> 00:10:00.275 They don't think of, uh, Uh, all, all the things that a cop is, they 00:10:00.285 --> 00:10:03.555 think about that very small thing, which is a gun on the hip, right? 00:10:03.565 --> 00:10:04.675 Badge gun, right? 00:10:04.685 --> 00:10:07.025 Firefighter is going to be hose and bucket. 00:10:07.085 --> 00:10:07.385 Right. 00:10:07.944 --> 00:10:15.344 Um, the gun has been glorified and in ways through media, and it's been 00:10:15.354 --> 00:10:20.375 vilified in a way that, uh, I think it's become a part of the argument. 00:10:20.925 --> 00:10:24.045 As opposed to like, people will say, well, I love my guns. 00:10:24.255 --> 00:10:24.474 Yeah. 00:10:24.555 --> 00:10:25.045 Right. 00:10:25.114 --> 00:10:28.635 I, you're not going to take one and I'm going to fight for every last gun. 00:10:28.635 --> 00:10:31.204 And then the other side might say, no, every gun should be gone. 00:10:33.280 --> 00:10:34.650 But what are we actually talking about? 00:10:34.660 --> 00:10:35.729 Like, what's the end goal? 00:10:35.729 --> 00:10:39.510 Like if, if you ask any gun owner out there, they'd say, yeah, 00:10:39.510 --> 00:10:40.890 we don't want to see shootings. 00:10:40.969 --> 00:10:43.089 We don't want to see gangsters out there running around with them. 00:10:43.089 --> 00:10:45.139 We don't want to see kids taking them to school. 00:10:45.549 --> 00:10:47.780 I don't know any gun owner in the world that would say that. 00:10:48.030 --> 00:10:51.910 And it's the same sentiment of what other, uh, people who'd want to get rid of guns. 00:10:51.910 --> 00:10:55.825 So, What is it we're actually looking to work towards? 00:10:55.875 --> 00:10:59.745 And if you can start identifying that and maybe just take the gun out of 00:10:59.755 --> 00:11:02.675 the equation for a second, just put it on the side, say, not a problem. 00:11:02.675 --> 00:11:06.894 We can talk about that and do our best to take the emotion out of 00:11:06.895 --> 00:11:09.765 it and say, well, you know, is there such a thing as a bad gun? 00:11:09.765 --> 00:11:10.034 Right. 00:11:10.035 --> 00:11:12.145 And sure, we can talk about that, but. 00:11:12.545 --> 00:11:15.315 What effect is that going to have if we get rid of them? 00:11:15.325 --> 00:11:17.105 Like what effect of getting rid of drugs do? 00:11:17.715 --> 00:11:21.485 Um, well, people still got drugs, prisons are the easiest place to get them, right? 00:11:21.495 --> 00:11:22.855 People are still having problems. 00:11:23.255 --> 00:11:24.925 Are we looking at harm reduction? 00:11:24.965 --> 00:11:28.715 Are we looking at something that'll actually move our society to 00:11:28.715 --> 00:11:34.074 the place where we're not seeing these, these negative things that 00:11:34.074 --> 00:11:35.415 are being spun out in the media? 00:11:36.055 --> 00:11:42.325 Sean Zubor: Do you feel like it's maybe a fact that, uh, the gun, and I don't 00:11:42.325 --> 00:11:46.345 know if it's necessarily our place to have to do this anyways, but the gun 00:11:46.345 --> 00:11:52.575 advocacy groups, firearm advocacy groups are not creating enough solutions for 00:11:52.575 --> 00:11:53.924 the problems that may be out there. 00:11:53.945 --> 00:11:58.795 And they're just sort of saying like, Hey, not over my dead body. 00:11:58.795 --> 00:12:00.245 Are you taking these guns away from me? 00:12:00.275 --> 00:12:06.235 And what I mean by as an example is, um, and just like you mentioned earlier. 00:12:06.455 --> 00:12:09.755 If somebody is shot, let's say you lose a son or a family member 00:12:09.755 --> 00:12:11.515 or something from a firearm. 00:12:11.515 --> 00:12:11.785 Right. 00:12:12.325 --> 00:12:15.244 There's a lot of emotion attached to that, obviously, right. 00:12:15.335 --> 00:12:16.945 It's hardship and everything attached to that. 00:12:17.445 --> 00:12:21.435 And is it, did the firearm, like any reasonable person is going 00:12:21.435 --> 00:12:23.824 to know this, the fire would jump off the table and shoot somebody. 00:12:23.854 --> 00:12:27.395 No, there is somebody behind that, that did that action and so on and so forth. 00:12:27.395 --> 00:12:27.645 Right. 00:12:28.325 --> 00:12:29.555 Um, but. 00:12:29.995 --> 00:12:34.615 It is very easy for somebody to say, well, if there were no guns, or if you 00:12:34.615 --> 00:12:37.495 don't have a gun, then that wouldn't, nobody would be able to grab that. 00:12:37.535 --> 00:12:40.285 They don't necessarily think, well, just like England, you can go get a 00:12:40.285 --> 00:12:43.305 knife and stab somebody, or you can grab a truck or, you know, if somebody 00:12:43.305 --> 00:12:44.415 wants to kill you, unfortunately, 00:12:44.504 --> 00:12:44.944 Travis Bader: that's. 00:12:45.535 --> 00:12:47.605 And England's still got guns and they're an Island. 00:12:47.605 --> 00:12:50.684 And if you can't keep them off this Island, how do you expect to keep 00:12:50.704 --> 00:12:53.814 it out of, let's say Canada, which is right next door to the largest 00:12:53.814 --> 00:12:55.155 arms manufacturer in the world. 00:12:55.175 --> 00:12:55.775 Exactly. 00:12:55.795 --> 00:12:56.064 Sean Zubor: Right. 00:12:56.255 --> 00:12:56.694 So. 00:12:57.025 --> 00:13:04.185 Is it maybe that we are not coming up with enough solutions as, um, as a movement 00:13:04.185 --> 00:13:09.155 in whole, in whole, like, are we coming, like, are, are we going out there and 00:13:09.155 --> 00:13:13.085 just saying, Hey, listen, guns don't kill people, kill people, kill people. 00:13:13.384 --> 00:13:13.724 Okay. 00:13:13.874 --> 00:13:15.115 It's the truth, right? 00:13:15.485 --> 00:13:20.665 But by saying that you are also not giving any, well, this is what 00:13:20.665 --> 00:13:22.635 we should do and how it would be. 00:13:22.704 --> 00:13:24.564 An effective harm reduction policy. 00:13:24.685 --> 00:13:25.324 Does that make sense? 00:13:25.584 --> 00:13:28.475 Travis Bader: Kind of like the old book, uh, getting to yes, negotiating 00:13:28.475 --> 00:13:29.545 agreement without giving in. 00:13:29.584 --> 00:13:30.435 Yeah, exactly. 00:13:30.464 --> 00:13:34.095 Here's my line in the sand and I'm not going to go past it as opposed 00:13:34.095 --> 00:13:37.565 to saying, well, okay, I've got this line here, but I'm willing to move 00:13:37.565 --> 00:13:39.634 that line for you if we get this. 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.699 Basically come into some sort of a quarter and understanding. 00:13:43.970 --> 00:13:44.490 Or, or 00:13:44.520 --> 00:13:46.550 Sean Zubor: even, uh, I'll give you an example, right? 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:51.589 I think one of the things that I don't see any of our ag advocacy 00:13:51.590 --> 00:13:56.030 groups, like whoever they may be mentioning, you know, in, in. 00:13:56.355 --> 00:14:00.005 In the United States, for example, all of these mass shootings that you've had, I 00:14:00.005 --> 00:14:02.655 saw the entire list of it, and I'm sure you guys can all Google it and see it 00:14:02.655 --> 00:14:07.364 yourself, but almost every single one, no, not almost every single one of these kids 00:14:07.365 --> 00:14:11.785 that did these mass shootings were all on some kind of antidepressants, all on some 00:14:11.785 --> 00:14:16.954 kind of drugs, all on some kind of mind altering, not one of them wasn't right. 00:14:17.365 --> 00:14:24.300 Um, And so do, do we, as advocacy groups talk enough about the 00:14:24.350 --> 00:14:27.449 preliminary causes and okay, no problem. 00:14:27.550 --> 00:14:28.720 We can do background checks. 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:29.190 We can do it. 00:14:29.489 --> 00:14:32.399 And the funny thing is, is, you know, you give an inch and then 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:36.139 they ask for not even a mile in this case, many times, 10, 20, 30 miles. 00:14:36.530 --> 00:14:38.850 But, um, I think most. 00:14:39.640 --> 00:14:44.960 Canadian firearm owners that I've met are okay with background checks are 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.650 okay with some reasonable prejudice. 00:14:46.650 --> 00:14:49.399 Just like you got to get a driver's license for a car, right? 00:14:49.590 --> 00:14:52.149 I think most of us are okay with certain things, right? 00:14:52.500 --> 00:14:55.730 Where it draws the line is, is that we are getting everything 00:14:55.730 --> 00:14:57.959 taken away without any reasonable. 00:14:58.030 --> 00:14:59.480 Reason for it, right? 00:14:59.700 --> 00:15:02.650 No mass murders with AR 15s, no nothing. 00:15:02.650 --> 00:15:05.870 And then all of a sudden, all these responsible owners that are 00:15:05.870 --> 00:15:08.090 the most vetted Canadians, right? 00:15:08.169 --> 00:15:11.479 Are getting all of their firearms and personal property taken away from us. 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:14.159 And so obviously we're rightfully angry, right? 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:20.140 Are we doing enough to, you know, tell the world as an advocacy, as a 00:15:20.140 --> 00:15:24.450 group, as an organization on the actual causality of what is causing these 00:15:24.450 --> 00:15:28.999 people, people to do these horrific things, you know, the gun is the tool. 00:15:29.319 --> 00:15:31.460 Obviously, and that's what they keep bringing up. 00:15:31.670 --> 00:15:36.140 But do you feel as a society, we're doing enough to, you know, educate the 00:15:36.140 --> 00:15:37.570 world on what is actually happening? 00:15:37.790 --> 00:15:38.900 I just don't see a lot of that 00:15:38.900 --> 00:15:39.320 Travis Bader: out there. 00:15:39.569 --> 00:15:43.170 You know, the word reasonable is always going to be a difficult one, right? 00:15:44.340 --> 00:15:47.610 Surely you're open to some reasonable restrictions. 00:15:47.680 --> 00:15:49.424 You're open to some reasonable measures. 00:15:49.795 --> 00:15:51.505 Oh yeah, I'm open to reasonable measures. 00:15:51.505 --> 00:15:51.795 Right. 00:15:52.245 --> 00:15:56.234 Well, where does that reason start to begin with, if, if it is in fact that 00:15:56.245 --> 00:16:00.314 all of these shooters in the States, mass shooters were on some sort of 00:16:00.314 --> 00:16:04.595 mind altering drug, wouldn't it be reasonable to start there as opposed 00:16:04.595 --> 00:16:10.024 to looking at, they also all wore blue shoes, right, or whatever it might be. 00:16:10.025 --> 00:16:10.215 Yeah. 00:16:10.775 --> 00:16:16.115 Um, the firearms got the ability to do some serious damage 00:16:16.115 --> 00:16:17.315 in a short period of time. 00:16:17.315 --> 00:16:17.955 And there's no. 00:16:18.495 --> 00:16:19.495 Doubt about that. 00:16:20.095 --> 00:16:24.275 I don't think that everybody should have a God given right to have access to any 00:16:24.275 --> 00:16:27.165 type of level of whatever it might be. 00:16:27.255 --> 00:16:28.585 Nuclear, right? 00:16:28.825 --> 00:16:30.755 You, what is that fake Latin saying? 00:16:30.765 --> 00:16:33.114 Absolutum infinitum, right? 00:16:33.115 --> 00:16:35.165 You just, you take the argument to the absolute infinite. 00:16:35.615 --> 00:16:37.564 Uh, does it make sense over there still? 00:16:37.574 --> 00:16:39.175 If so, then maybe you've got a good argument. 00:16:39.175 --> 00:16:43.115 If it doesn't, like, why are we, where are we drawing these arbitrary lines? 00:16:43.895 --> 00:16:50.694 I think that the, um, uh, there's a lot of very well meaning people out there. 00:16:51.015 --> 00:16:54.064 Most of these people want the exact same thing. 00:16:54.074 --> 00:16:55.344 They don't want to see people get hurt. 00:16:56.014 --> 00:16:57.344 People want to feel safe. 00:16:57.704 --> 00:16:58.574 They don't want to be. 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:01.380 Feeling threatened in their communities. 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:04.110 And some people look at it as a firearm, as a way to feel safe. 00:17:04.110 --> 00:17:07.150 And other people look at getting rid of the firearm as a way to feel safe. 00:17:08.244 --> 00:17:16.494 But it also will be a very easy tool because it's got such an emotional 00:17:16.494 --> 00:17:20.214 attachment associated with it to pull those emotional strings. 00:17:20.545 --> 00:17:25.944 If you want to just manipulate or control, or if I want to get votes 00:17:25.944 --> 00:17:29.315 in a certain area, I'll say, well, look at my opponent wants to make 00:17:29.315 --> 00:17:31.005 it easier for you to get guns. 00:17:31.005 --> 00:17:31.245 Right. 00:17:31.775 --> 00:17:32.695 And vice versa. 00:17:32.745 --> 00:17:36.265 You want to get votes in another area to say my opponent wants to take away your, 00:17:36.315 --> 00:17:38.824 your right to be able to protect yourself. 00:17:38.824 --> 00:17:39.064 Yeah. 00:17:39.515 --> 00:17:41.625 Well, neither of those are really true, right? 00:17:41.645 --> 00:17:45.035 The, the end result of that, but it sure gets people fired up. 00:17:46.504 --> 00:17:48.834 The minutiae of it can get boring for people. 00:17:49.254 --> 00:17:49.844 What you mean? 00:17:49.844 --> 00:17:53.164 We have to actually talk to our children and raise them in a certain way. 00:17:53.165 --> 00:17:56.754 And there's some things that we can do as a society and as family to be able to 00:17:57.144 --> 00:18:02.914 look out for these pre fight indicators or pre threat indicators, and we have to 00:18:03.494 --> 00:18:06.954 start providing people, um, necessities. 00:18:06.964 --> 00:18:09.244 Like a lot of times these things are happening. 00:18:09.650 --> 00:18:13.180 People are drawn to a life of crime, typically not because they come from the 00:18:13.180 --> 00:18:18.809 most affluent backgrounds and have all, all the niceties in life would offer. 00:18:18.820 --> 00:18:22.839 They might be drawn there because they are at risk to begin with. 00:18:23.209 --> 00:18:25.850 Should we be looking at, at, at those areas? 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:29.790 It gets a little tougher and the conversation isn't quite as easy to have. 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:31.490 So I think that's where. 00:18:32.155 --> 00:18:37.764 The, the major disparity happens between the two sides. 00:18:37.775 --> 00:18:39.995 One, because it's such a polarizing topic. 00:18:39.995 --> 00:18:45.055 It's two, because it's very emotional three, because it's intentionally used by 00:18:45.055 --> 00:18:46.935 both sides to be able to take them apart. 00:18:47.305 --> 00:18:50.705 But are we doing enough to be able to educate people on other reasons? 00:18:52.275 --> 00:18:55.495 I think people have to be open to hearing that first. 00:18:56.845 --> 00:18:58.725 Sean Zubor: How do we know though, if we're not saying it or are we 00:18:58.725 --> 00:18:59.085 Travis Bader: saying it? 00:18:59.085 --> 00:18:59.755 I'm just missing it. 00:18:59.805 --> 00:19:01.065 I mean, the information is there. 00:19:01.145 --> 00:19:01.365 Yeah. 00:19:01.425 --> 00:19:05.465 If a person is a gun owner can find it, a person is a non gun owner can find it too. 00:19:05.475 --> 00:19:06.695 But what did Israeli say? 00:19:06.695 --> 00:19:07.995 And I don't even think it was Israeli. 00:19:07.995 --> 00:19:10.145 There's liars, damn liars and statisticians. 00:19:10.145 --> 00:19:10.265 Right. 00:19:10.985 --> 00:19:16.874 Um, you know, people can make stats sing to whatever, whatever way they wish it to. 00:19:17.295 --> 00:19:21.824 To go, but there are some underlying truths to things, right? 00:19:21.844 --> 00:19:24.514 There are some things that they can be able to extrapolate in a similar 00:19:24.514 --> 00:19:28.524 way to what you're talking about before of how you operate business and 00:19:28.524 --> 00:19:30.174 you're doing your constant OODA loop. 00:19:30.794 --> 00:19:35.435 Sean Zubor: So how do we, how do we go ahead and, you know, tell the general 00:19:35.444 --> 00:19:41.565 public this, because I think we're just, just by being an outsider that's in the. 00:19:42.274 --> 00:19:47.495 More along the firearms community as a participant, not as a, you know, working 00:19:47.495 --> 00:19:53.655 in it or whatever, have you, um, I, I don't see, uh, unless for myself, like 00:19:53.755 --> 00:19:57.255 I've, I've been able to bring a few people into the community because I, I 00:19:57.255 --> 00:20:01.165 show myself shooting on Instagram or, you know, I'm, I'm like showing how 00:20:01.165 --> 00:20:03.145 much I enjoy doing these activities. 00:20:03.145 --> 00:20:03.425 Right. 00:20:03.914 --> 00:20:09.485 Um, but do we, as a community, Are we proactively putting it in commercials? 00:20:09.495 --> 00:20:13.615 Are we proactively out there trying to get this message across? 00:20:13.645 --> 00:20:15.455 And I know it could be a double edged sword. 00:20:15.455 --> 00:20:17.875 Cause then all of a sudden, you know, they're going to loop us into what's 00:20:17.875 --> 00:20:21.604 in the States and you have the whole NRA and whatever, you know, the, the, 00:20:22.275 --> 00:20:26.635 the gun, most powerful committees, whatever you want to call it. 00:20:27.044 --> 00:20:31.445 The point is, is are we doing enough to educate, or do you feel like that might? 00:20:32.010 --> 00:20:36.010 Us going out there as a CCFR, for example, going out there and putting these things 00:20:36.010 --> 00:20:39.920 out there, that's going to all of a sudden backfire and say, Hey, these gun 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:42.010 lobbies are just trying to brainwash 00:20:42.010 --> 00:20:42.700 Travis Bader: you or whatever. 00:20:42.790 --> 00:20:47.610 Well, anything could backfire or be used in the, in the, uh, as a propaganda 00:20:47.610 --> 00:20:49.309 tool to be used against a person. 00:20:49.969 --> 00:20:54.419 I don't know if, uh, telling people. 00:20:55.030 --> 00:20:57.700 Is necessarily the approach to take. 00:20:57.700 --> 00:21:00.320 I really don't have an answer to it, but I do know what I'm doing. 00:21:01.139 --> 00:21:02.590 And it's similar to what you just said. 00:21:02.590 --> 00:21:08.150 Even that's showing I'll show people, I mean, through my social media, through 00:21:08.150 --> 00:21:13.770 how I dress, how I comport myself to, I'm not running around decked out, 00:21:13.780 --> 00:21:19.050 head to toe and, and, uh, Vietnam era camouflage with bandoliers of bullets. 00:21:19.050 --> 00:21:21.060 And I loves me guns, right? 00:21:21.555 --> 00:21:24.745 You know, I'm doing my best just to be a normal individual who contributes 00:21:24.745 --> 00:21:28.205 to the community and works really hard to bring everybody else up around them 00:21:28.245 --> 00:21:34.294 into a better place and to, uh, assist those who are worth assisting and open 00:21:34.295 --> 00:21:36.125 to assistance to, to, to be a better. 00:21:36.395 --> 00:21:41.185 Better person for, for themselves without making the gun or whatever 00:21:41.185 --> 00:21:44.654 the cause be, the focus of the attention, it just so happens to 00:21:44.665 --> 00:21:46.565 be an ancillary by product of it. 00:21:47.155 --> 00:21:51.375 And, you know, Shane Mahoney is a, um, renowned conservationist 00:21:51.375 --> 00:21:56.004 out of, uh, out of Newfoundland, a very good orator, well spoken. 00:21:56.045 --> 00:21:56.825 And he says, you know. 00:21:58.389 --> 00:22:02.239 One thing for the hunting movement is to find something that has the 00:22:02.239 --> 00:22:07.019 public's attention, rather than saying hunting's good, and this is why, and 00:22:07.029 --> 00:22:08.570 here's all the stats on the animals. 00:22:08.570 --> 00:22:10.139 And people like, they tune out. 00:22:10.159 --> 00:22:13.939 They like, I just saw a picture of a, of a wolf and it looks like my 00:22:13.939 --> 00:22:15.889 dog and it was shot and I feel bad. 00:22:15.889 --> 00:22:16.139 Right. 00:22:16.499 --> 00:22:20.689 It says, well, why don't we look at a movement that's gaining popularity 00:22:20.689 --> 00:22:21.830 and has been for some time. 00:22:21.830 --> 00:22:25.719 And that's just, you're eating local and the hundred mile diet and all the rest. 00:22:25.719 --> 00:22:26.860 And we'll just. 00:22:27.239 --> 00:22:31.209 Emphasize that hunting also happens to be a part of that, but, but we're not 00:22:31.209 --> 00:22:33.020 trying to force it down somebody's throat. 00:22:34.709 --> 00:22:42.370 I don't think that, uh, we exclude those who want to forcibly try and stand up and 00:22:42.509 --> 00:22:45.610 say, this is a way, like, I don't think there's just one way, but I think for 00:22:45.610 --> 00:22:48.114 the general population, the masses of. 00:22:48.375 --> 00:22:53.825 If they just realize that, you know, our doctors, our lawyers, our judges, 00:22:53.825 --> 00:22:58.165 our, our, uh, police officers, our professionals in our community, 00:22:58.305 --> 00:23:02.815 teachers out there, they hunt, they have firearms and they're productive members. 00:23:02.815 --> 00:23:09.144 And I think that sort of a, uh, approach would. 00:23:11.330 --> 00:23:16.910 paint a different picture than what people typically see, which is six o'clock news. 00:23:16.910 --> 00:23:18.900 And here's, here's the gangbanger out there. 00:23:18.910 --> 00:23:19.130 Right. 00:23:19.390 --> 00:23:22.719 Sean Zubor: So it's more, uh, of a normalization of showing that like, 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:24.110 this is something that everybody does. 00:23:24.110 --> 00:23:26.110 And it's funny that you mentioned that because. 00:23:27.345 --> 00:23:30.375 I don't want to tell you the exact, cause I'd be lying the exact stats 00:23:30.375 --> 00:23:36.784 on it, but Ohio and Idaho and all these things in Utah, the amount of, 00:23:36.885 --> 00:23:40.934 uh, tags that have gone, gone, uh, or been applied for because of Joe 00:23:40.934 --> 00:23:45.024 Rogan and because of Cameron Haynes and because of all these guys saying 00:23:45.034 --> 00:23:46.625 like, that's all I eat is elk now. 00:23:46.715 --> 00:23:47.025 Right. 00:23:47.035 --> 00:23:51.495 You know, like, and it's going, and it's been this, instead of hunting. 00:23:51.810 --> 00:23:53.159 It's lifestyle. 00:23:53.209 --> 00:23:54.750 It's like, I only eat organic. 00:23:54.750 --> 00:23:55.490 I train every day. 00:23:55.490 --> 00:23:57.040 I do cold showers or cold baths. 00:23:57.040 --> 00:23:58.689 I do this and I eat elk. 00:23:58.810 --> 00:23:59.010 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:23:59.010 --> 00:23:59.250 Right. 00:23:59.310 --> 00:24:02.360 And they're contributing members of the society who are doing something that's 00:24:02.360 --> 00:24:06.939 productive and they're an aspirational figure that other people say, you know 00:24:06.939 --> 00:24:08.709 what, if they can do it, I can do it too. 00:24:09.129 --> 00:24:11.260 Sean Zubor: So maybe is that one of the next steps then? 00:24:11.260 --> 00:24:13.220 Is that something you're saying that these people that. 00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:17.040 Our normal contributing members of society should be just a 00:24:17.520 --> 00:24:18.740 little bit more outspoken. 00:24:18.790 --> 00:24:19.740 Is that something that we could 00:24:19.750 --> 00:24:20.820 Travis Bader: ask for or hope for? 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:24.630 Uh, perhaps I think the biggest thing is just don't get baited into the 00:24:24.630 --> 00:24:27.460 argument that you didn't want to have to begin with, because there's, there's 00:24:27.460 --> 00:24:31.350 a losing proposition on, on some of these arguments and guns are bad. 00:24:31.350 --> 00:24:31.950 Guns are good. 00:24:31.950 --> 00:24:34.940 Well, guns are neither good nor bad, but thinking makes it so right. 00:24:34.950 --> 00:24:35.090 Yeah. 00:24:35.340 --> 00:24:36.750 To, to misquote Shakespeare. 00:24:38.050 --> 00:24:38.920 It's true. 00:24:40.765 --> 00:24:47.435 Yeah, I think the argument has just been wrong for a very long time, both. 00:24:47.995 --> 00:24:53.745 Intentionally and unintentionally, I think that people should, uh, they 00:24:53.745 --> 00:24:57.105 don't have to force their opinions and beliefs down people, but they also have 00:24:57.105 --> 00:25:00.304 to realize that those who are trying to force your opinions and beliefs, there 00:25:00.305 --> 00:25:04.315 should be a check and balance in that process and not get baited into being 00:25:04.324 --> 00:25:09.365 the opposition of a certain thing, but you're opposing someone's ability 00:25:09.365 --> 00:25:14.595 to force their will or opinion on you without the ability to have a reasonable. 00:25:14.980 --> 00:25:17.340 Uh, retort back. 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:17.730 Sean Zubor: Right. 00:25:18.530 --> 00:25:20.480 Well, that kind of leads to a question I have for you. 00:25:21.030 --> 00:25:21.290 Okay. 00:25:21.330 --> 00:25:21.620 So. 00:25:22.805 --> 00:25:26.875 I've been looking at getting, um, a trapline. 00:25:27.215 --> 00:25:29.925 I was looking at, I'm getting my pilot's license and 00:25:29.935 --> 00:25:31.685 hopefully my float designation. 00:25:32.325 --> 00:25:33.754 How do I get an ATC? 00:25:33.995 --> 00:25:35.484 Travis Bader: That's an excellent question. 00:25:35.575 --> 00:25:36.884 I'm glad you asked that one. 00:25:37.514 --> 00:25:38.845 And, uh, yeah, float plane. 00:25:38.905 --> 00:25:39.355 Awesome. 00:25:39.364 --> 00:25:42.715 My, my son is working towards his pilot license at the moment now, 00:25:42.715 --> 00:25:45.445 and we're, we're, I know he's going to want floats as well. 00:25:45.445 --> 00:25:45.754 He said. 00:25:45.785 --> 00:25:46.575 Where, where is he doing it? 00:25:46.815 --> 00:25:50.345 Um, Charlie Zulu, bravo, bravo here at Burnaby. 00:25:50.355 --> 00:25:51.415 Yeah, or Boundary Bay, sorry. 00:25:51.625 --> 00:25:52.095 Very cool. 00:25:52.165 --> 00:25:57.124 Um, but yeah, he's, uh, done his ground school a couple of times. 00:25:57.124 --> 00:25:58.205 He's only 14 right now. 00:25:58.264 --> 00:25:58.675 Oh, wow. 00:25:58.764 --> 00:25:59.524 That's very cool. 00:25:59.534 --> 00:25:59.894 Yes. 00:25:59.894 --> 00:26:01.394 He's done ground school a few times. 00:26:01.394 --> 00:26:04.634 He's just working up his hours now, done his tests, got everything under his belt. 00:26:04.634 --> 00:26:08.614 And he's just got to finish up his hours and get himself through, but. 00:26:08.705 --> 00:26:09.445 It's, it's such 00:26:09.445 --> 00:26:10.455 Sean Zubor: an amazing experience. 00:26:10.455 --> 00:26:12.745 There's, um, I've been boating my whole life. 00:26:12.745 --> 00:26:16.284 I have my motorcycle license, all that kind of jazz, but flying. 00:26:16.919 --> 00:26:20.270 A, I way underestimated how much work it is. 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:21.490 It's a lot of work. 00:26:21.690 --> 00:26:22.600 Holy cow. 00:26:22.600 --> 00:26:26.200 And like what you have to memorize and, and it makes sense, but I 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:28.680 just thought, I'm just trying to like fly a Cessna with floats. 00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:28.910 Right. 00:26:28.950 --> 00:26:30.400 And what, what work do I have to do? 00:26:30.840 --> 00:26:33.340 Travis Bader: And they're dead easy to fly, like really when you're up there, 00:26:33.340 --> 00:26:34.869 but there's a hell of a lot of work. 00:26:34.919 --> 00:26:35.210 Well, and 00:26:35.220 --> 00:26:38.139 Sean Zubor: the thing is what you have to learn is basically 75 or 80% of what 00:26:38.139 --> 00:26:40.230 the pilot does, because if you don't know how to do that stuff, you're going to. 00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:43.300 Drop the plate out of the sky, all the stuff kind of goes in there. 00:26:43.320 --> 00:26:48.199 So I way underestimated the amount of work it would take, but, um, yeah, I, 00:26:48.270 --> 00:26:52.889 what I'm looking to do is obviously go hunting, uh, looking at guiding trap line. 00:26:52.899 --> 00:26:57.749 Something is, you know, a down the line, not to say retirement gig, but other gig. 00:26:57.780 --> 00:26:58.090 Yeah. 00:26:58.110 --> 00:26:58.640 Um. 00:26:58.835 --> 00:27:00.024 Man, what do I do to get an ATC, 00:27:00.044 --> 00:27:00.254 Travis Bader: man? 00:27:00.294 --> 00:27:04.115 So ATC, authorization to carry, few different ways you can get one in Canada. 00:27:04.264 --> 00:27:10.455 One, you can be, uh, your principal activity is a 00:27:10.455 --> 00:27:12.035 transport of cash or negotiables. 00:27:12.235 --> 00:27:14.675 So armored car guards, they get ATCs. 00:27:14.714 --> 00:27:17.235 They don't have a Queen's commission like the police have. 00:27:17.285 --> 00:27:21.665 Police don't have firearms licenses unless they go out personally and get one. 00:27:22.035 --> 00:27:24.855 A little bit different rules there, just like the, our army doesn't 00:27:24.855 --> 00:27:26.624 need firearms licenses to go out. 00:27:27.290 --> 00:27:27.630 And is 00:27:27.630 --> 00:27:28.440 Sean Zubor: it sort of interrupt? 00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:32.680 Is it true that, cause I've heard this, I think like RCMP 00:27:32.750 --> 00:27:34.780 can't carry outside of duty? 00:27:34.870 --> 00:27:35.460 Yes and no. 00:27:35.660 --> 00:27:36.030 Okay. 00:27:36.030 --> 00:27:37.690 Depending, I guess, on what their 00:27:38.329 --> 00:27:39.380 Travis Bader: role is or something, I guess. 00:27:39.699 --> 00:27:42.420 Technically they're not supposed to be carrying outside of duty. 00:27:42.430 --> 00:27:45.339 If they get authorization from a supervisor, they can 00:27:45.350 --> 00:27:46.880 now carry outside of duty. 00:27:47.430 --> 00:27:49.290 Um, yeah. 00:27:49.659 --> 00:27:52.830 So, uh, there, there's a yes and no, and there's a bit of a gray area. 00:27:52.830 --> 00:27:57.800 I think there is a, uh, When the, the laws keep coming in and changing, 00:27:57.800 --> 00:28:01.370 there's always going to be levels to try and placate those who are going 00:28:01.370 --> 00:28:02.820 to be enforcing the laws as well, too. 00:28:02.820 --> 00:28:03.109 Right. 00:28:03.690 --> 00:28:07.190 Sean Zubor: It was just weird to me that a police officer that that's their job, 00:28:07.190 --> 00:28:10.109 they walk around with a firearm, can't conceal carry or something like that. 00:28:10.109 --> 00:28:10.430 It's just. 00:28:11.675 --> 00:28:13.195 One doesn't make sense for the other. 00:28:13.195 --> 00:28:13.555 That's all. 00:28:13.555 --> 00:28:14.475 But I, I guess 00:28:14.485 --> 00:28:15.105 Travis Bader: it is what it is. 00:28:15.105 --> 00:28:15.595 It's laws. 00:28:15.605 --> 00:28:16.295 It's Canada. 00:28:17.055 --> 00:28:19.715 There's a lot that might not make sense, but yeah, so your principal 00:28:19.715 --> 00:28:22.764 activity is to transport a cash or negotiables, armor card guard. 00:28:23.235 --> 00:28:24.524 You got to go through some training. 00:28:24.524 --> 00:28:27.595 You got to realize that there's going to be less violent means 00:28:27.595 --> 00:28:29.335 available and how you can take them. 00:28:29.355 --> 00:28:31.534 They don't really have intermediary taser. 00:28:36.385 --> 00:28:38.865 They go from empty hand defense to lethal force. 00:28:39.225 --> 00:28:39.545 Right. 00:28:39.855 --> 00:28:45.195 So they've, uh, they don't really have the same force continuum that, uh, a 00:28:45.195 --> 00:28:49.955 police officer would have, mind you, their role is to leave, to run away. 00:28:50.015 --> 00:28:50.305 Yeah. 00:28:50.595 --> 00:28:51.105 So. 00:28:51.630 --> 00:28:55.290 But a week long course, week to two weeks, depending on who you're doing 00:28:55.290 --> 00:28:58.520 the training with and the level of training that they're getting, uh, 00:28:58.770 --> 00:29:01.470 if your life is in danger, right? 00:29:01.470 --> 00:29:06.000 If there's a legitimate threat on your life and the keyword I think 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.879 is police protection isn't adequate. 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:08.629 Okay. 00:29:08.629 --> 00:29:10.419 You can get yourself an ATC for that. 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:17.370 We've worked with some and the final hurdle for some 00:29:17.370 --> 00:29:18.870 individuals who had legitimate. 00:29:19.580 --> 00:29:25.940 Threats on their life who were requiring the ability to carry a firearm was, we 00:29:25.940 --> 00:29:30.880 need you to get something from your local chief of police, piece of paper saying 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:32.840 that their protection is not adequate. 00:29:32.930 --> 00:29:34.549 Well, good luck finding that right. 00:29:35.280 --> 00:29:35.550 Yes. 00:29:36.080 --> 00:29:39.030 Sean Zubor: Could you give me an example of like who would qualify for that? 00:29:39.030 --> 00:29:42.690 Like not, obviously don't give me exactly who they were, but like what 00:29:42.690 --> 00:29:44.190 kind of position would that be in? 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:44.800 Is that like. 00:29:45.080 --> 00:29:47.240 Cause obviously it's not going to be like, Hey, you're a gangster. 00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:48.080 So you can qualify 00:29:48.650 --> 00:29:49.350 Travis Bader: yourself, right? 00:29:49.870 --> 00:29:53.290 The law is not, it doesn't qualify the individual. 00:29:53.290 --> 00:29:57.020 They just say that there's going to be some imminent risk to, uh, 00:29:57.259 --> 00:30:01.319 death or grievous bodily harm and police protection is inadequate. 00:30:01.339 --> 00:30:03.300 So that could, could be the gangster, right? 00:30:03.470 --> 00:30:07.580 Technically, uh, under the law, typically it's something that's going to be 00:30:07.590 --> 00:30:10.400 given to, let's say a judge during a. 00:30:11.115 --> 00:30:13.635 Period of time when they're working on a trial and there's 00:30:13.635 --> 00:30:14.695 been threats on their life. 00:30:15.825 --> 00:30:19.715 And the police aren't, you know, maybe they have a protective detail 00:30:19.715 --> 00:30:23.705 on them, but, uh, they can't be everywhere all the time for them. 00:30:23.775 --> 00:30:24.015 Yeah. 00:30:24.195 --> 00:30:28.725 So that that's generally been from my understanding where the few and far 00:30:28.725 --> 00:30:33.795 between on the protection of life, uh, outside of Your cash negotiables 00:30:33.795 --> 00:30:37.665 has been, uh, issued, but then there's the one that you're talking about and 00:30:37.935 --> 00:30:41.045 people call it a WATC or wilderness ATC. 00:30:41.505 --> 00:30:43.665 So they keep changing rules on that. 00:30:43.665 --> 00:30:47.494 And every time they change the rules, we here at Silvercore have always 00:30:47.495 --> 00:30:51.855 been the forefront of certifying new individuals who qualify to 00:30:51.855 --> 00:30:53.435 meet whatever the new rules are. 00:30:53.445 --> 00:30:58.584 I think it was around 96, put person through and 2000, they change the rules, 00:30:58.585 --> 00:31:01.894 put them through and, and there's. 00:31:02.040 --> 00:31:06.040 Essentially, it comes down to you're working in a remote wilderness area 00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:12.790 and you require a restricted firearm or a pistol to protect yourself, 00:31:12.790 --> 00:31:14.399 your life from predatory animals. 00:31:14.830 --> 00:31:16.380 What's a remote wilderness area? 00:31:17.059 --> 00:31:17.620 I don't know. 00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:18.469 Right. 00:31:18.700 --> 00:31:22.230 Uh, that's somebody living in the city, maybe. 00:31:22.485 --> 00:31:24.905 Went out a little bit into the bush is remote wilderness. 00:31:24.905 --> 00:31:27.665 If somebody lives well outside of the city, maybe they feel 00:31:27.665 --> 00:31:28.695 that's pretty populated. 00:31:28.705 --> 00:31:31.005 So that that's pretty open to interpretation. 00:31:31.415 --> 00:31:34.725 Mind you, when we've had people come through for the ATCs, we leave that 00:31:34.725 --> 00:31:38.394 wide open, any area within BC, which is considered remote wilderness, 00:31:39.014 --> 00:31:42.575 uh, working is one, uh, that the. 00:31:43.310 --> 00:31:44.840 Is it's sort of a key word. 00:31:44.840 --> 00:31:49.470 And they, uh, the issuing body being the Canadian Firearms Program looks at working 00:31:49.490 --> 00:31:53.070 as actively employed or self employed. 00:31:53.070 --> 00:31:56.700 It doesn't look at it as, Hey, I'm working on the roof of my cabin, right? 00:31:57.499 --> 00:31:59.360 They have to see some sort of employment. 00:31:59.360 --> 00:32:02.749 So, uh, if you've got a trap line, that would be okay, 00:32:02.749 --> 00:32:03.889 that's what I'm doing for work. 00:32:03.909 --> 00:32:06.419 They might ask you for municipal. 00:32:06.815 --> 00:32:09.485 Authorizations saying, Hey, you've got a business license. 00:32:09.495 --> 00:32:15.015 And I know when I had to apply for one, I had to get a letter from the city of 00:32:15.015 --> 00:32:20.134 Delta saying, we have no authority over remote wilderness areas throughout BC. 00:32:20.545 --> 00:32:23.524 But, but that was one of the checks and balances they had to go through. 00:32:24.415 --> 00:32:30.645 And, uh, it has to be, you know, if it's funny, because there is a desire 00:32:30.645 --> 00:32:32.874 to not issue these wilderness ATCs. 00:32:32.874 --> 00:32:34.955 And I talked to my American friends and they're like, 00:32:34.955 --> 00:32:36.504 this is absolutely ridiculous. 00:32:36.505 --> 00:32:41.154 How can you not, uh, like Brad Brooks out of Idaho, he is out in Alaska and 00:32:41.154 --> 00:32:45.165 he's hunting and he's, um, Uh, he's got his pistol in his hip because 00:32:45.165 --> 00:32:46.715 he's got his, he's doing some archery. 00:32:46.715 --> 00:32:49.315 He's like, how can you guys go out there and not have something? 00:32:49.315 --> 00:32:49.665 Right. 00:32:50.515 --> 00:32:51.745 Sean Zubor: Well, it's crazy that you mentioned that 00:32:51.745 --> 00:32:53.125 actually, speaking of Alaska. 00:32:53.194 --> 00:32:53.454 Yeah. 00:32:53.855 --> 00:32:55.004 So I did the research. 00:32:55.635 --> 00:32:59.735 I can literally drive to the Alaska border and with my hunting license 00:32:59.735 --> 00:33:01.174 that I purchased from Alaska. 00:33:01.194 --> 00:33:01.864 Which is free. 00:33:01.965 --> 00:33:02.664 Which is free. 00:33:03.035 --> 00:33:03.205 I can. 00:33:03.225 --> 00:33:04.005 Or no, it's 10. 00:33:04.425 --> 00:33:04.715 Yeah. 00:33:04.715 --> 00:33:05.355 No course. 00:33:05.355 --> 00:33:06.055 More or less free. 00:33:06.115 --> 00:33:06.425 Right. 00:33:06.950 --> 00:33:10.690 I can just say that I'm hunting small bird, which will allow me to bring 00:33:10.710 --> 00:33:15.550 over my firearm and I can conceal carry or open carry in Alaska. 00:33:16.120 --> 00:33:19.710 Wait, there's another permit that I have to apply for, but that is the 00:33:19.710 --> 00:33:21.660 preliminary effect for that permit. 00:33:21.850 --> 00:33:23.659 So I could literally conceal carry. 00:33:24.415 --> 00:33:25.675 In Alaska and not 00:33:25.685 --> 00:33:26.415 Travis Bader: in British Columbia. 00:33:26.505 --> 00:33:29.405 Well, that was the, the, the States have different rules. 00:33:29.405 --> 00:33:30.585 They call it a CCW. 00:33:30.655 --> 00:33:32.035 So concealed carry weapon. 00:33:32.045 --> 00:33:37.074 And I remember Utah, they had a, when they had reciprocity and a whole bunch of other 00:33:37.075 --> 00:33:40.515 States, including Alaska and Washington. 00:33:40.855 --> 00:33:43.125 And the, they had this guy coming around and he was just 00:33:43.125 --> 00:33:44.085 raking in the money, right. 00:33:44.085 --> 00:33:47.485 He was going to all the local clubs here in Canada and I'll put you through, 00:33:47.485 --> 00:33:49.005 you're going to get your Utah license. 00:33:49.005 --> 00:33:49.765 And I was one of them. 00:33:49.765 --> 00:33:52.034 I went through and I got my Utah CCW. 00:33:52.035 --> 00:33:54.915 And when I went in the States, you were able to bring it across. 00:33:54.915 --> 00:33:57.634 I had my Alaska license and I went into Washington. 00:33:58.225 --> 00:33:58.745 Okay. 00:33:58.865 --> 00:33:59.895 I mean, fair enough. 00:33:59.895 --> 00:34:00.515 You got your Alaska. 00:34:00.545 --> 00:34:02.275 So you met all the protocol. 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.490 And, um, I went down there for a training courses I was doing in the States, but, 00:34:08.170 --> 00:34:10.700 uh, there's a lot of little workarounds. 00:34:11.220 --> 00:34:15.340 I don't know if I would want to be on the arguing end of a workaround 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.180 like this, if push came to shove. 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.070 Um, but for Canada, you're, you're willing to say TC, they're 00:34:21.070 --> 00:34:22.449 going to require you a, a. 00:34:22.720 --> 00:34:24.650 That you do some sort of proof of proficiency. 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:25.140 Okay. 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:26.030 Um. 00:34:26.430 --> 00:34:28.160 Sean Zubor: And that you can take the course through yourself, right? 00:34:28.160 --> 00:34:28.950 There's a course that 00:34:28.950 --> 00:34:29.270 Travis Bader: you do get. 00:34:29.330 --> 00:34:30.240 You can do that through yourself. 00:34:30.560 --> 00:34:33.650 I found it kind of funny because they say, well, proof of proficiency, the 00:34:33.650 --> 00:34:38.020 people who can sign off on you, if they're a range officer or a firearm 00:34:38.020 --> 00:34:42.990 safety course instructor, neither of those people necessarily have 00:34:43.040 --> 00:34:45.410 any background in, in being able to. 00:34:45.810 --> 00:34:48.400 Provide proof of proficiency or qual courses. 00:34:48.530 --> 00:34:48.720 Right. 00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:49.620 For individuals. 00:34:49.630 --> 00:34:52.170 Maybe they're a range officer and they're good at turning the light on and 00:34:52.180 --> 00:34:56.220 off and calling the range safe or not, or dealing with deactivated firearms 00:34:56.220 --> 00:35:00.010 or disabled firearms in the safety course, but that's where the process is. 00:35:00.040 --> 00:35:01.790 So you have to show that you can shoot it. 00:35:01.790 --> 00:35:04.930 You're supposed to be using the same ammunition that 00:35:04.930 --> 00:35:06.719 you'd be using on an animal. 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.129 So you can't use lighter loads. 00:35:08.269 --> 00:35:08.579 Gotcha. 00:35:08.875 --> 00:35:11.765 Uh, question on that is what police officers do you know 00:35:11.765 --> 00:35:13.665 that qualify on ammunition? 00:35:13.665 --> 00:35:16.715 That's going to be the same as what they're using and carrying. 00:35:16.715 --> 00:35:20.955 And the answer is, well, probably close to none because most of them are using 00:35:20.955 --> 00:35:25.525 cheaper FMJs or frangibles on their, uh, their ranges and not hollow points. 00:35:25.825 --> 00:35:31.185 But, um, you meet that criteria, prove that you're working and you 00:35:31.185 --> 00:35:32.375 can do that with your trap line. 00:35:32.790 --> 00:35:35.260 And then there's going to be caliber restrictions. 00:35:35.460 --> 00:35:39.110 They say that you want to have something that's going to be, have enough power. 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.390 Sean Zubor: So just random questions, the Glock 20, the 10 millimeter sufficient. 00:35:43.390 --> 00:35:44.729 Cause I know a lot of guys up North are 00:35:44.730 --> 00:35:45.280 Travis Bader: using those. 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:45.590 Yeah. 00:35:45.630 --> 00:35:46.970 And I got one for a 40 Cal. 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:51.780 I think I was the first one to be issued one for 40 Cal and I would argue nine 00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:55.930 millimeter as well, because previously they were saying, you know, uh, it has 00:35:55.930 --> 00:35:58.180 to be a revolver, it's gotta be minimum. 00:35:59.475 --> 00:36:01.705 Uh, I think it was minimum 357 Magnum. 00:36:01.775 --> 00:36:03.885 I said, well, how does an animal go down? 00:36:03.895 --> 00:36:07.085 It's not always going to be bears that you're protecting yourself from, right? 00:36:07.085 --> 00:36:09.025 There's other predatory animals out there that. 00:36:09.705 --> 00:36:13.355 Uh, or other dangers that you'd be having a problem with and, you 00:36:13.355 --> 00:36:18.344 know, a nice, powerful round does nothing if you miss it, right? 00:36:18.754 --> 00:36:22.085 If you have 10 rounds in your magazine, you have more chances to hit it. 00:36:22.085 --> 00:36:23.124 You have more chances. 00:36:23.424 --> 00:36:26.805 You're either going to be disabling an animal through an interruption 00:36:26.805 --> 00:36:30.825 of the central nervous system, the spine or brain, or through inducing 00:36:31.335 --> 00:36:34.665 massive hypovolemic shock through cardiopulmonary decompression. 00:36:34.685 --> 00:36:34.945 And the. 00:36:35.300 --> 00:36:37.370 Fastest way to do that is more holes. 00:36:37.370 --> 00:36:37.660 Yeah. 00:36:37.700 --> 00:36:41.050 So anyways, was successful on all of those fronts. 00:36:41.370 --> 00:36:46.020 I have seen people denied the ability if they're out in their trap line, or if 00:36:46.020 --> 00:36:49.570 they're out working at remote wilderness area and they say, well, right now I'm 00:36:49.570 --> 00:36:51.170 carrying my shotgun with me everywhere. 00:36:52.295 --> 00:36:54.105 And they say, oh, well, you don't need a handgun then. 00:36:54.945 --> 00:36:57.445 Sean Zubor: And that's what I was going to ask you, because I've, I've 00:36:57.445 --> 00:37:02.855 heard of, I actually know two guides that, um, guide out of Muncho Lake up 00:37:02.855 --> 00:37:07.585 there and they applied for it and they were denied because they were told. 00:37:07.710 --> 00:37:11.770 That, well, you can carry a, uh, a shotgun, you can carry, 00:37:12.050 --> 00:37:14.200 um, a rifle or whatever it is. 00:37:14.200 --> 00:37:14.520 Right. 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:19.110 But they, you know, they're not excuse, but why they wanted one is the fact 00:37:19.110 --> 00:37:20.190 that they're packing all the time. 00:37:20.190 --> 00:37:23.630 They're doing this, how are they going to be able to access that shotgun? 00:37:23.630 --> 00:37:25.639 If the thing's attacking them while they're packing meat 00:37:25.649 --> 00:37:26.629 on the back of their horses. 00:37:26.629 --> 00:37:31.530 Um, so I don't know if they've successfully been able to reapply 00:37:31.530 --> 00:37:33.540 or whatever the case has been a while since I talked to them. 00:37:33.550 --> 00:37:37.419 But so there is no specific, like these are the jobs that you can do. 00:37:37.810 --> 00:37:44.810 These are the, it's just, if it's a, and that specific job, because like, that's 00:37:44.810 --> 00:37:45.850 one of the things I've heard as well. 00:37:45.850 --> 00:37:49.690 There's quite a few helicopter pilots that have it out there because at the end of 00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:52.300 the day, they're in forestry or whatever. 00:37:52.630 --> 00:37:57.179 They're communicating quite and they crash quite often, unfortunately, not. 00:37:57.179 --> 00:37:57.629 It happens. 00:37:57.630 --> 00:37:57.880 Yeah. 00:37:57.909 --> 00:38:02.230 Not, not, uh, Lethal in most cases, but it happens. 00:38:02.260 --> 00:38:05.670 And, um, so that's, that's the only way that they have no room to put a 00:38:05.930 --> 00:38:07.490 shotgun or whatever it may be in there. 00:38:07.490 --> 00:38:08.180 So they're carrying. 00:38:08.220 --> 00:38:11.650 So there is no specific job requirement 00:38:11.650 --> 00:38:12.129 Travis Bader: or anything. 00:38:12.200 --> 00:38:13.409 Remote willingness area. 00:38:13.450 --> 00:38:14.080 What is that? 00:38:14.080 --> 00:38:17.300 That's up to you to define, um, working. 00:38:17.750 --> 00:38:18.500 What is that? 00:38:18.580 --> 00:38:20.540 Well, that's going to be a conversation. 00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:25.220 They're going to want to have a talk with you, which is a good opportunity 00:38:25.220 --> 00:38:28.880 for them to say, well, now you've been disqualified based off of our talk. 00:38:29.520 --> 00:38:34.320 And I remember when I went through, um, every time they change the rules 00:38:34.329 --> 00:38:36.169 and they make it different, they say, well, come on in, let's have 00:38:36.169 --> 00:38:37.370 a little conversation about it. 00:38:37.370 --> 00:38:40.280 I'm like, why don't you send it to me in an email? 00:38:40.350 --> 00:38:43.220 I'm more than happy to, because I want to document the process, right. 00:38:43.220 --> 00:38:44.899 Because I want to be able to assist others. 00:38:45.590 --> 00:38:51.090 So that they can go in the same route, not to cheat the system, not to scam it, not 00:38:51.090 --> 00:38:54.990 to find a workaround, but to know exactly what it is that's required and what isn't. 00:38:55.269 --> 00:38:58.300 I would think from a government agency standpoint, they'd want 00:38:58.300 --> 00:38:59.810 that level of systemization. 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.740 And so it finally reached a point where they refused to do the, uh, 00:39:05.790 --> 00:39:08.440 to provide the questions by email, because they said it could be dynamic. 00:39:08.450 --> 00:39:09.340 It could be changing. 00:39:09.350 --> 00:39:10.560 I said, okay. 00:39:11.010 --> 00:39:11.520 Not a problem. 00:39:11.520 --> 00:39:12.480 I got you on phone now. 00:39:12.770 --> 00:39:13.040 Yeah. 00:39:13.140 --> 00:39:13.830 Let's do this. 00:39:14.030 --> 00:39:15.570 You can ask me all the questions you want. 00:39:15.640 --> 00:39:16.980 They said, okay, question number one. 00:39:17.100 --> 00:39:17.820 I write it down. 00:39:18.680 --> 00:39:19.750 I said, that's a really good question. 00:39:19.750 --> 00:39:20.720 I'll get back to you by email. 00:39:20.720 --> 00:39:21.550 What's the next question? 00:39:22.110 --> 00:39:23.230 Went through the entire list. 00:39:23.230 --> 00:39:26.109 It's like, come on guys, quit playing this game. 00:39:27.590 --> 00:39:30.370 Um, so anyways, got all the questions. 00:39:30.370 --> 00:39:33.830 They now have a written form as well that you'll answer and you'll put 00:39:33.830 --> 00:39:39.500 out, uh, uh, your, your questions do know that there are some firearms 00:39:39.500 --> 00:39:42.950 officers out there that will try to disqualify you based on your questions. 00:39:42.950 --> 00:39:45.590 So the more succinct you can be when you answer them to the 00:39:45.590 --> 00:39:47.890 point, truthful, obviously. 00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:53.010 Um, the, the less you're providing for them to try and pick holes in. 00:39:53.390 --> 00:40:00.950 Sean Zubor: And so now with this new, uh, can't transfer cell by handguns, how has 00:40:00.990 --> 00:40:02.910 this thrown a wrench into the whole thing? 00:40:02.910 --> 00:40:06.099 Like, like, uh, fortunately I do have a 357. 00:40:06.109 --> 00:40:07.244 Fortunately I do have. 00:40:07.415 --> 00:40:08.455 You know, 10 millimeter Glock. 00:40:08.475 --> 00:40:09.975 Fortunately, I have all those things. 00:40:10.365 --> 00:40:16.265 However, um, if I didn't and I needed an ATC, how would I go about doing that? 00:40:16.265 --> 00:40:17.805 Or is that just null and void now? 00:40:18.054 --> 00:40:22.504 Travis Bader: Well, they keep making provisions, right? 00:40:22.805 --> 00:40:24.975 Um, is it null and void? 00:40:25.005 --> 00:40:28.495 No, there's always a way like for someone to deny you the 00:40:28.495 --> 00:40:30.185 ability to protect your life. 00:40:30.205 --> 00:40:32.265 And I think that's one of the things that should. 00:40:32.855 --> 00:40:35.505 An approach that an individual should take. 00:40:35.535 --> 00:40:39.605 I definitely, I would take is to put that onus on the issuing party. 00:40:40.350 --> 00:40:43.220 Rather than them putting the onus on you and say, well, you didn't 00:40:43.220 --> 00:40:46.260 meet the requirements, put the onus on them to be able to say, 00:40:46.630 --> 00:40:48.190 how are those requirements sound? 00:40:48.219 --> 00:40:52.070 And now you're, if I get mauled and killed out there based on you and my 00:40:52.070 --> 00:40:55.659 inability to have anything else out there, you're going to wear this, right? 00:40:55.829 --> 00:40:57.420 Very few people want to wear that one. 00:40:57.700 --> 00:40:59.520 They'll try and find a way to pass it back. 00:41:00.210 --> 00:41:04.740 Um, there are provisions for people who are working for them to be able to get 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:09.400 handguns that are written in, but we've also got an election apparently coming 00:41:09.409 --> 00:41:11.150 up that's, uh, that's being rumored. 00:41:11.150 --> 00:41:13.300 So we'll see what happens there. 00:41:13.340 --> 00:41:13.530 Yeah. 00:41:13.539 --> 00:41:14.780 Hopefully that changes a lot. 00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:18.140 And you know, I guess the other side would be too, for businesses, 00:41:18.540 --> 00:41:20.970 there's nothing stopping an individual from starting a business. 00:41:21.825 --> 00:41:22.085 Right. 00:41:22.085 --> 00:41:25.955 If you want to have all of the there's, there's always a way for 00:41:25.965 --> 00:41:27.075 people to be able to do things. 00:41:27.075 --> 00:41:29.835 If somebody says, Oh man, I really want to shoot full auto and I want to have 00:41:29.835 --> 00:41:32.764 silences and I want to have, and they go through the whole list of things that 00:41:32.765 --> 00:41:36.944 they want to do a little bit of hard work. 00:41:37.094 --> 00:41:38.425 You can set up a businesses. 00:41:38.455 --> 00:41:41.825 There are businesses out there that do all of those things, 00:41:41.845 --> 00:41:43.039 and now you're able to do it. 00:41:43.150 --> 00:41:45.180 Provided you're not just doing it for your own. 00:41:45.460 --> 00:41:45.750 Yeah. 00:41:45.890 --> 00:41:46.190 Right. 00:41:46.220 --> 00:41:50.180 And you, you can actually justifiably say this is a business thing that I'm doing. 00:41:51.430 --> 00:41:52.070 Go nuts. 00:41:52.160 --> 00:41:55.800 I mean, the requirements for a business are in some cases less 00:41:55.810 --> 00:41:59.420 stringent than for an individual, like for an individual, if you have 00:41:59.420 --> 00:42:02.090 to, uh, lock up your firearms, right. 00:42:02.090 --> 00:42:05.060 Your restricted firearms and trigger lock and it locked box, right. 00:42:05.060 --> 00:42:06.920 Separate from the ammunition or in a safe. 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.260 And for a business, this has got to be, your firearms have to be separate. 00:42:10.695 --> 00:42:14.125 In an area, not readily accessible to the general public, every window and every 00:42:14.125 --> 00:42:16.325 door has to have the ability to be locked. 00:42:16.745 --> 00:42:18.205 Doesn't even say it has to be locked. 00:42:18.725 --> 00:42:19.045 Right. 00:42:19.084 --> 00:42:21.544 And, um, there has to be an electronic alarm. 00:42:22.214 --> 00:42:23.295 And like, what is that? 00:42:23.295 --> 00:42:27.174 Is that one of those little motion sensor frogs that ribbits when you go by? 00:42:27.174 --> 00:42:28.345 Is it a monitored alarm? 00:42:28.345 --> 00:42:29.135 Is it a siren? 00:42:29.135 --> 00:42:29.245 I mean. 00:42:29.775 --> 00:42:33.175 They don't stipulate, so it gets a little, little silly. 00:42:33.215 --> 00:42:35.175 There's a lot of generalizations in there. 00:42:35.235 --> 00:42:35.705 There is. 00:42:35.705 --> 00:42:36.025 Yeah. 00:42:36.555 --> 00:42:37.405 Sean Zubor: Yeah, man. 00:42:37.565 --> 00:42:37.855 Okay. 00:42:37.855 --> 00:42:39.655 So I'm going to definitely try to apply for my ATC. 00:42:39.805 --> 00:42:42.985 I've got to figure out, I wonder if I could, uh, open Stonehouse 00:42:42.995 --> 00:42:47.124 in a remote location, but how would I, how would I defend 00:42:47.125 --> 00:42:47.885 Travis Bader: myself? 00:42:48.234 --> 00:42:51.915 Would you be ever working as a real estate agent in remote wilderness locations? 00:42:51.915 --> 00:42:52.825 I actually do right now. 00:42:52.885 --> 00:42:53.365 There you go. 00:42:54.685 --> 00:42:55.285 That's working. 00:42:57.395 --> 00:42:57.905 Sean Zubor: Do you think that 00:42:57.905 --> 00:42:59.065 Travis Bader: would be approvable though? 00:42:59.554 --> 00:43:00.725 It all comes down to the individual. 00:43:01.060 --> 00:43:01.360 Yeah. 00:43:01.530 --> 00:43:03.710 I mean, from the letter of the law, absolutely. 00:43:03.770 --> 00:43:07.600 And it comes down to the individual, the circumstances, the firearms 00:43:07.600 --> 00:43:08.830 officer that you're dealing with. 00:43:09.370 --> 00:43:12.470 Cause keep in mind, you have to make it easy for them to say yes. 00:43:12.520 --> 00:43:12.800 Yeah. 00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:14.710 Or hard for them to say no. 00:43:14.790 --> 00:43:15.130 Right. 00:43:15.240 --> 00:43:18.200 If you want to paint a person to the corner and they got nowhere else to go. 00:43:18.200 --> 00:43:21.200 I mean, you're, you're, you're not doing yourself any favors, but if you paint them 00:43:21.200 --> 00:43:22.790 into a corner and give them a door out. 00:43:23.010 --> 00:43:23.190 Yeah. 00:43:23.210 --> 00:43:26.030 Most civil servants don't want to take that level of responsibility. 00:43:26.030 --> 00:43:28.320 And if they can find a way to pass it onto somebody else. 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:28.569 Yeah. 00:43:28.900 --> 00:43:31.440 And still do their job and do what they have to do. 00:43:31.600 --> 00:43:32.370 Not a problem. 00:43:32.570 --> 00:43:33.190 Sean Zubor: Fair enough. 00:43:33.670 --> 00:43:34.470 So let me ask you this. 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:41.219 So with your ATC, could it, it's not defined by a specific area, I 00:43:41.220 --> 00:43:46.019 guess it would only be defined if it's, um, like wilderness, I guess. 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:51.010 But, um, It's not to find like, because what I've been told is that you can, 00:43:51.260 --> 00:43:54.130 if you have a trapline and you're applying it for your trapline, you 00:43:54.130 --> 00:43:56.150 can only wear it on your trapline. 00:43:56.190 --> 00:43:59.810 And I even read somewhere that it has to be locked up while you're on 00:43:59.810 --> 00:44:01.680 like the quad or something like that. 00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:05.570 And that once you get off the quad, then you can put it, and there's only a certain 00:44:05.570 --> 00:44:07.210 type of holsters that you can wear. 00:44:07.210 --> 00:44:08.880 You can't wear like I. 00:44:09.120 --> 00:44:12.460 From what I've been told and read, and obviously probably wrong, 00:44:12.860 --> 00:44:16.090 but that there's a whole bunch of stipulations, uh, attached to it. 00:44:16.120 --> 00:44:18.030 But I guess maybe that's just how the application was 00:44:18.030 --> 00:44:18.320 Travis Bader: or. 00:44:18.379 --> 00:44:21.519 I mean, if you want to put stipulations on, you can, and if they ask you 00:44:21.520 --> 00:44:25.720 to put stipulations on and you do, they will gladly comply with that. 00:44:25.720 --> 00:44:25.800 Yeah. 00:44:26.090 --> 00:44:29.810 But it's similar to your authorization to transport previously, 00:44:29.810 --> 00:44:31.590 you had to apply for an ATT. 00:44:31.770 --> 00:44:31.990 Yeah. 00:44:32.340 --> 00:44:35.940 Then it was brought in as part of your license, but they would ask you 00:44:35.940 --> 00:44:37.200 a whole bunch of questions on there. 00:44:37.210 --> 00:44:38.610 What range do you belong to? 00:44:38.910 --> 00:44:41.080 What time do you think you're going to be transporting it? 00:44:41.439 --> 00:44:44.599 Um, what days would you be transporting it on? 00:44:44.600 --> 00:44:46.410 And people would fill it out and like, well, geez, I'm. 00:44:47.155 --> 00:44:50.615 I wouldn't go there on a weekday, maybe in the evenings in the weekday, right. 00:44:50.615 --> 00:44:55.285 But not through the day and Saturdays and Sundays and, um, and on the forum, 00:44:55.285 --> 00:44:59.995 it says, um, I think at the time it was, uh, one, two or three year license. 00:44:59.995 --> 00:45:01.604 What, what do you want it for, for how long? 00:45:01.984 --> 00:45:04.985 Like, why would I put, Oh, I just want it for a year, I just need it for a week. 00:45:05.384 --> 00:45:11.635 And so, uh, background 94, 95 put out a forum and it said to all 00:45:11.635 --> 00:45:16.179 approved gun clubs and ranges, uh, from 2, 400 to 2, 400. 00:45:16.460 --> 00:45:19.300 Every day of the week, I want it for the maximum of three years. 00:45:19.630 --> 00:45:27.510 Like the, I get the intention behind some of these laws and rules. 00:45:27.510 --> 00:45:30.210 They don't want to see gangbangers run around with handguns and 00:45:30.210 --> 00:45:31.330 without proper permission. 00:45:31.330 --> 00:45:34.140 And it gives them another tool so they can say, are you right? 00:45:34.140 --> 00:45:34.850 Or are you wrong? 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:35.110 But. 00:45:36.080 --> 00:45:38.650 As a licensed firearms owner, who's gone through proper training and 00:45:38.650 --> 00:45:41.620 criminal record checked and background checked and reference checked, and now 00:45:41.620 --> 00:45:44.620 that reference checks and all those checks go for a person's lifetime. 00:45:45.490 --> 00:45:48.469 What's the difference between them carrying a rifle, which is far 00:45:48.469 --> 00:45:50.960 more dangerous pistol or a shotgun. 00:45:51.839 --> 00:45:55.929 So, you know, sometimes the logic kind of goes out the window and I think 00:45:55.929 --> 00:45:57.310 the firearms program looked at that. 00:45:57.310 --> 00:46:02.190 They'll make forms sometimes the only, the only. 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:08.900 Um, teeth that some of these laws really have, or some of these rules 00:46:08.900 --> 00:46:13.010 that are in place fall in place on the form, because there's an order 00:46:13.010 --> 00:46:17.199 prescribing forms and licenses, and they'll say it's asked on the form. 00:46:17.200 --> 00:46:20.039 And so you have to fill it out, but there's nowhere in the law that says 00:46:20.049 --> 00:46:21.199 you have to put these things out. 00:46:21.209 --> 00:46:24.925 So it's, it's a very, it's a very, it's a It's a very interesting sort of thing. 00:46:24.925 --> 00:46:29.995 And it's, um, uh, I mean, we, we advocate for people's ability to be able to use 00:46:30.005 --> 00:46:35.985 things lawfully and safely, uh, not to be cutting corners and skirting, skirting 00:46:36.435 --> 00:46:39.524 the, uh, the rules here, but in the same breath that there are rules that 00:46:39.524 --> 00:46:42.164 you're supposed to be playing by, it's important people know what they are. 00:46:42.194 --> 00:46:42.474 Yeah. 00:46:43.080 --> 00:46:47.950 Sean Zubor: So, um, so just to clarify then, so let's say I get an ATC. 00:46:48.010 --> 00:46:48.390 Yep. 00:46:48.790 --> 00:46:49.650 You're on your trap line. 00:46:49.740 --> 00:46:53.000 And I'm on my trap line and I haven't specifically said that this 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:54.270 is going to be for my trap line. 00:46:54.270 --> 00:46:59.380 This is going to be for, uh, trapping, but not specifically for that area only. 00:46:59.380 --> 00:47:00.260 Let's just put it that way. 00:47:00.750 --> 00:47:08.845 Um, Now, does it have to be used in, on the job per se, like only, or can 00:47:08.845 --> 00:47:14.794 I, can I go hunting later on that day with a bow and carry my handgun with me? 00:47:15.005 --> 00:47:17.895 Travis Bader: I think if you look at these things, there's two places 00:47:17.895 --> 00:47:20.555 that I'd put myself in two positions. 00:47:20.555 --> 00:47:21.205 Number one. 00:47:21.845 --> 00:47:25.675 Um, CYA, can you articulate, right? 00:47:25.725 --> 00:47:29.655 Can you articulate to a conservation officer or a police officer or 00:47:29.665 --> 00:47:32.865 whomever it might be that you are complying with the conditions of 00:47:32.865 --> 00:47:36.055 which your license was, uh, provided. 00:47:36.115 --> 00:47:36.365 Right. 00:47:36.655 --> 00:47:41.035 And number two, is this a position that you'd want to defend in court? 00:47:41.244 --> 00:47:41.514 Right. 00:47:41.554 --> 00:47:41.894 Right. 00:47:42.124 --> 00:47:42.754 So. 00:47:43.220 --> 00:47:47.160 Uh, if the answer is yes to both of those and then so be it, right. 00:47:47.160 --> 00:47:52.850 But, uh, if you're a little hazy on some of them, then I'd say I probably wouldn't 00:47:52.870 --> 00:47:55.310 because the ends don't justify the means. 00:47:55.340 --> 00:47:56.889 And is that really worth it for you? 00:47:57.420 --> 00:48:01.390 Uh, for some of the people who are getting their licenses, 00:48:01.390 --> 00:48:02.580 they're going to be working. 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:08.770 BC, uh, or whatever province they're in. 00:48:09.490 --> 00:48:13.250 And, uh, maybe they're, maybe they're a free miner, they don't have a 00:48:13.260 --> 00:48:16.800 set trap line, or maybe they're, they're looking for new trap lines. 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.220 They're going to be setting up and they need to explore these areas 00:48:19.220 --> 00:48:22.779 just because you have a trap line and that's your one doesn't mean you, it's 00:48:22.780 --> 00:48:26.080 going to preclude you from looking in other areas and staking places out. 00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:29.350 So, uh, I would say. 00:48:32.345 --> 00:48:34.815 Sean Zubor: But the letter of the law basically says that it should 00:48:34.825 --> 00:48:37.615 be during the job, I guess, or, uh. 00:48:37.705 --> 00:48:38.565 It says working. 00:48:38.725 --> 00:48:39.055 Working. 00:48:39.125 --> 00:48:39.405 Okay. 00:48:39.405 --> 00:48:41.224 So it's not just that I have to have that. 00:48:41.245 --> 00:48:44.065 And once I have a job and I use it for my job, I can use it for everything 00:48:44.065 --> 00:48:44.805 Travis Bader: else too. 00:48:44.854 --> 00:48:47.435 I mean, if your job's as a guide, you might have a, uh, 00:48:47.525 --> 00:48:48.604 have an argument there, right? 00:48:48.785 --> 00:48:49.055 Right. 00:48:49.165 --> 00:48:54.665 Um, if your job is, uh, scouting as a guide, maybe you have 00:48:54.665 --> 00:48:55.695 an argument there, right? 00:48:55.745 --> 00:49:01.080 It's just, Uh, it's one of these things where people tend to do things cause 00:49:01.080 --> 00:49:02.210 that's how it's always been done. 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:02.580 Right. 00:49:02.910 --> 00:49:06.890 And it's okay to ask questions and to push back and sometimes 00:49:06.890 --> 00:49:08.270 it just costs you your time. 00:49:08.270 --> 00:49:12.439 Sometimes it costs your money, but whatever you do, I would highly encourage 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:16.150 anybody if they have it and they feel that they're in the right, make 00:49:16.150 --> 00:49:17.670 sure they've got a way to be able to. 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:19.110 Articulate afterwards. 00:49:19.110 --> 00:49:22.600 And what I like to do is I'll get things in writing and oftentimes they 00:49:22.600 --> 00:49:24.430 don't want to offer things in writing. 00:49:24.430 --> 00:49:28.090 So maybe I'll just do the reverse of that and I'll send them something 00:49:28.090 --> 00:49:31.990 in writing and say, here's what I'm planning on doing and reverse that onus. 00:49:32.169 --> 00:49:34.700 If this is not within the prescribed rules. 00:49:34.885 --> 00:49:36.345 Please let me know, right. 00:49:36.575 --> 00:49:40.205 Otherwise I will proceed like ABC and here's a timeframe you can 00:49:40.205 --> 00:49:42.755 get ahold of me and all the rest and give it a reasonable time. 00:49:42.814 --> 00:49:43.064 Yeah. 00:49:44.105 --> 00:49:44.475 Awesome. 00:49:44.485 --> 00:49:45.375 But I'm not a lawyer. 00:49:45.405 --> 00:49:48.085 I can't give legal advice, but I can talk about some of the 00:49:48.415 --> 00:49:49.574 areas that we do operate in. 00:49:50.125 --> 00:49:50.415 Cool.